Talk:Yugoslav Partisans

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search


Veteran numbers in table in Composition section[edit]

The table in the Composition section had a column for "1978 Veteran membership" from [1] but these numbers couldn't possibly be right: they were too small and fractional. Probably they referred to hundreds or thousands, but without a copy of the book I can't be sure. Somebody who has a copy of the book should check and re-add them after multiplying by the correct number. --Taejo|대조 07:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Edits regarding Danube Swabians[edit]

I rolled back a number of IP edits today which either a. added material to sourced sentences, making it appear the material was sourced; or b. were completely unsourced. If there is a case for part or all of them to be re-instated, please make the argument here. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Ref problem - Sharon Fisher 2006[edit]

FYI -- There appears to be something wrong with the way the work is cited, resulting in this message in the References section:

  • Fisher, Sharon (2006). Political change in post-Communist Slovakia and Croatia: from nationalist to Europeanist. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 27. ISBN 1-4039-7286-9. Cite error: Invalid ref tag; name "Sharon_Fisher_2006.2C_p._27" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

--K.e.coffman (talk) 18:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Montenegro[edit]

Why are Montenegrin Partisans completely omitted from the article? Sideshow Bob 08:01, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Objectives Section[edit]

The second paragraph of the Objectives section of this page reads

The objectives of the rival resistance movement which emerged some weeks earlier, the Chetniks, were the retention of the Yugoslav monarchy, ensuring the safety of ethnic Serb populations,[13][14] and the establishment of a Greater Serbia[15] through the ethnic cleansing of non-Serbs from territories they considered rightfully and historically Serbian.[16][17][18][19] Relations between the two movements were uneasy from the start, but from October 1941 they degenerated into full-scale conflict. To the Chetniks, Tito's pan-ethnic policies seemed anti-Serbian, whereas the Chetniks' royalism was anathema to the communists.[20] In the early part of the war Partisan forces were predominantly composed of Serbs and given to the persecution of Muslims (e.g. the slaughter of Muslim women and children in April 1942 in Herzegovina). In that period names of Muslim and Croat commanders of Partisan forces had to be changed to protect them from their predominantly Serb colleagues.[21]


Notice that the last two sentences seem contradictory; the penultimate states that the Partisans employed pan-ethnic policies, while the final states that at least portions of the Partisan forces engaged in ethnic cleansings and took an anti Muslim Croat stance.

Upon inspection of source [21], we do indeed find the information cited in the large paragraph above. On the next page of this source however, we find the sentence "Tito's Partisans in Bosnia-Herzegovina quickly shed Serb exclusivity, and picked up the banner of Bosnian Statehood as one of their auxillary cuases....Rodoljub Colakovic (sic), a leading Serb Communist from Bosnia, noted in a parliamentary speech of January 1946 that the 'Muslims of Bosnia-Herzegovina, as a seperate-but for the most part, still nationally undeclared-Slavic ethnic group, were equal to Serbs and Croats'"

While the source does make it clear that there have been instances of Muslim persecution by Partisans, when viewed in the context not only of the source from which the citation is drawn, but within the context of the rest of the article, it seems that an isolated incidents during the beginning of the parties formation, during a time when the group was allied with the anti-muslim Chetniks, should not be viewed as a primary objective of the Partisans, and so I propose this be reworked or removed.

Further, upon inspection of source [20] http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/partisan_fighters_01.shtml we find the following quote: The Partisans' goal was to create an independent Socialist Yugoslav state by freeing the country from Axis occupation. For Tito, therefore, resistance to the Axis always went hand-in-hand with the fostering of Socialist revolution. To this latter end, the KPJ attempted to appeal to all the various ethnic groups within Yugoslavia, by preserving the rights of each group - including those of both Serb and Croat Muslims. While the ethnic composition of partisan units varied widely over time and between regions, Tito's followers on the whole were Serbs.

This quote is highly opposed in statement to the final two lines of the paragraph currently in the Objectives section. I propose this quote be inserted in place of the current rhetoric, which is largely encyclopedic in its tone ("slaughtering women and children") and which is inaccurate when considering the overall objectives in the movement, at least if one is to take [20] as a credible source.

I would like to move forward with these changes, but invite others to discuss and criticize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ogsarticuno (talkcontribs) 05:14, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ Rakić, Petar (1980). Statistical pocket-book of Yugoslavia. Federal Statistical Office of Yugoslavia. ISSN 0585-1815.