Talk:ZEV 10 LRC

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Fastest scooter claims[edit]

This claim is mostly dependent on how you define your terms. ZEV sets their own goalposts and then touts themselves as the fastest in their press releases. This needs independent sourcing. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Also--do particular models deserve their own webpage?[edit]

I agree with editor User:Dennis Bratland's point that the various magazines calling this the longest range scooter have not--so far as I am aware--done independent tests. Since their editorial boards consider the range statement based on manufacturer's test both notable and credible enough to publish, I do not second guess them. Merely I advocate for independent testing. Consumer Reports for instance. Hello? Consumer Reports--Are you listening?

My larger and more important question relates not just to this page but to ALL motorcycle and scooter related pages, which is: a manufacturer may be notable but does each and every model they make have its own notability? Granted, motorcycle magazines do feature articles on this or that model. But they tend to be fluff pieces for their major advertisers. Some models of vehicles may have particular notability--fame or infamy-- of their own certainly: the Model T; the Edsel; the Corvair. But otherwise, the models change with bewildering speed. Does a 1988 Yamaha motorcycle really have notability separate from a 1989?

Still, I note this editor is a newbie. Newbies get cut lots of slack. So I won't mess with this page, and merely invite discussion of the question as a general matter.ElijahBosley (talk ☞) 18:26, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

This is an important question because it's commonly assumed that each and every model deserves it's own article, but in fact that's not the case. The WP:MC-MOS says that no subject is inherently notable, so the criteria of general notability must be met with each article, case by case. The specific guideline on products, like bikes or cars, is WP:PRODUCT. So as a rule, it's better to upmerge into the parent article, the one on the company, unless that article is too large or you are very confidennt the product article has realistic hopes of expansion. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:37, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. This being a first article by a newbie (everybody has to start somewhere) I think it best to leave to that editor the decision whether this detailed info on one model (out of 13) would best be merged into the existing article on the manufacturer. After all, as I have been reminded elsewhere, it really doesn't save server space to reduce an article, since "[e]very version of the article is archived, so changing the article to save on server space is actually counter-productive". Wikipedia archives all of the versions forever. If indeed this is the longest range/fastest model I suppose it does deserve more detailed treatment than "also-ran's". Just the question is--where does the information belong? And I commend our newbie editor for endeavoring to supply citations and the appropriate format.ElijahBosley (talk ☞) 18:59, 24 January 2014 (UTC)