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video game console or computer[edit]

Which is/was the Spectrum?--ILoveSky (talk) 14:46, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Was a computer, still is a computer. Doesn't meet the criteria for a console. a_man_alone (talk) 18:29, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Designed to be a personal computer, not a games console, but very widely used as a games console, nevertheless. Letdorf (talk) 12:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC).
100% a Computer, it was always intended to be a computer, to the point Clive Sinclair absolutely despised that it was seen as a gaming system. But easiest way of telling the difference between a computer and a console. (bar the odd exception) Consoles do not have a keyboard. --Guru Larry (talk) 00:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


There's a sentence at the end of the +3 section

The +3 was the final official model of the Spectrum to be manufactured, remaining in production until December 1990. Although still accounting for one third of all home computer sales in the UK at the time, production of the model was ceased by Amstrad at that point.

Reading it, one might get the impression that the +3 was "the model" referred to that "accounted for one third of all home computer sales" and which was discontinued. I'm almost certain that this is misleading phrasing and, if correct (and a citation would be nice too), it's *meant* to refer to the Spectrum family as a whole. Right? Ubcule (talk) 19:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Without a source, who's to say? These kind of statistics really need sources. Letdorf (talk) 11:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC).
According to this reference - [1] which is a reputable source, sales of the +3 were halted in December 1990, but the +2 continued. I will change the main article. (talk) 07:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Note that that quote says "The +2 will continue" but it refers to the +2B, not the original +2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

What to do about +2B Section[edit]

The section on the +2B contains a reference to an FAQ entry on the Planet Sinclair site which is demonstrably false (see my post on the subject on the World of Spectrum forums [2]).

I'm rather stuck here because on one hand I hate to see inaccuracies perpetuated as fact (verbatim quotes from wikipedia appear all over the net like a rash these days...), but on the other I know that I can't just wade in violating Wikipedia:NOR just because I think I'm right. Until a "Reliable Source" publishes something on the subject I don't see what can be done within the rules of wikipedia. (talk) 03:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

In the presence of doubt, but the absence of an alternative reliable source, one can always just delete the offending assertion. How about just describing the +2B as "a later minor revision of the +2A"? Regards, Letdorf (talk) 13:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC).
I just realised that the service manuals make a great source so have updated the +2A and +2B sections accordingly (talk) 17:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

7.3 Notable developers[edit]

I am not sure Sid Meyers (Civilization) began his carreer with ZXSpectrum, but he surelly contribuited some titles (e.g., Silent Service). —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Sales chart succession[edit]

Suggest we label number one games per the template used for singles/album charts (data would be as published in Your Sinclair magazine, complete archives of which are available)

Preceded by
"A Little Bit More" by 911
UK Singles Chart number-one single
January 24, 1999 - January 30, 1999
Succeeded by
"You Don't Know Me" by Armand Van Helden featuring Duane Harden
Preceded by
Carrying Your Love with Me by George Strait
Butterfly Kisses (Shades of Grace) by Bob Carlisle
Billboard 200 number-one album
May 24 - June 14, 1997
July 12–19, 1997
Succeeded by
Wu-Tang Forever by Wu-Tang Clan
The Fat of the Land by The Prodigy


The ZX Spectrum community is still very active in producing new software with around 100 new titles listed for 2011 on World of Spectrum. Worth mentioning? --Zagrebo (talk) 19:45, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I came to this page and was surprised that there wasn't more mention of how well-loved the ZX still is. (talk) 01:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Lack of citations[edit]

This entire article is full of inaccuracies. It has clearly been compiled from hearsay. If any of the editors would like to do something about this then please drop into the #zx IRC channel on and ask for cheveron. Someone will point you in my direction and I'd be happy to provide accurate information with citations. What I won't do is edit the article myself as my correction (with citations) to the erroneous naming of T/S 2000 BASIC in the Sinclair BASIC article was reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:32, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm curious - I checked the Sinclair BASIC article, and can find no reversions that you speak of. The only ref that has been added regarding Basic is not to the TS2000 section, but to the 128K ROM here. As your IP has only made one edit - the one above - it's hard to validate your statements, especially the initial claim that the article is inaccurate when confronted with the number of contributors and references. Still, please comment, and let's try to improve both articles. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Page usage[edit]

The effect of a front-page link from Google and loads of media coverage: [3] - 246,658 page views yesterday alone. To put that in context, if it had been a today's Featured Article, it would have been the sixth most-viewed one of all time after Emma Watson. Well done everyone! Prioryman (talk) 06:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

"Spectrum +" or "Spectrum+"?[edit]

Should it be "Spectrum +" or "Spectrum+"? The higher models have a space before the plus: "Spectrum +2", "ZX Spectrum +2A", "ZX Spectrum +2B" and "ZX Spectrum +3". --Mortense (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

"Spectrum+" - both the box and the unit itself (as pictured on the page) have no space between the "Spectrum" and the "+"
Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
That's because that's precisely how it was marketed. There is no need for us to attempt to impose some consistency here when this distinction is clearly made in reliable sources. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Depends on your definition of consistency - thanks to Mortense's edit here we now have consistency with how it was marketed, but those with slightly less familiarity with the subject may well have questioned the validity of such a change - hence it's a good question to ask. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The question is whether it is actually remarkable enough to mention specifically in the prose. I dare say that the majority of our readers are familiar enough with the degree of abuse heaped upon the language by those involved in product branding these days to simply take the names as they are presented and not to quibble about them. If a reliable source can be found which specifically points this distinction out I'd certainly have no objection to adding it, but other than that I believe we should probably simply rely on presenting it accurately and allow our readers to note the distinction themselves. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:50, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The obvious difference is that ZX Spectrum+ was a Sinclair Research product, the ZX Spectrum +2 and +3 were Amstrad products. Letdorf (talk) 23:38, 28 May 2012 (UTC).

From a performance point of view, concerning the BASIC Interpreter[edit]

my clone, a HC 91+ produced in Romania, works with abt 100 hll instr./ 1 second. i think this computer shoulded do like a few thousands up to 10000 hll/second... the interpreter doesent have necessarely work with BNForm , in order to dramatically enhance speed, there is anything 2 do abt graphics n transcedent functions that might use some precomputed value in order to works much faster than .05s for a sinus, for example ... i think this computer worth a remake oriented on BASIC speed :-) (talk) 08:51, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

It's interesting to hear what people have done with clones, but unless you can attribute this to a reliable source, it can't go in the article, I'm afraid. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:58, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

well, idk how to put this, there could b a way to work with enhanced resolution 4 video games 4 example without actually working the microprocessors at this task which could b a bit too much 4 an 8080 4 example or its mem, i think there is a chance to interpolate details, probabily with the help of video automata to obtain better resolutions (2*x X 2*y X 2*frames) .there is also no such speed difference between a good interpreter and compiling code... this kinda hypotetic computers might serve as reper when wedd like to evaluate if modern age processing possibilities are used at their real value... ok, :) (talk) 07:19, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

MOS:ITAL and Foxes and Rabbits[edit]

All, is the software known as 'Foxes and Rabbits' primarily categorized as a simulation or as a game? If it is not a game, then MOS:ITAL says it is not italicized. If it is a game, then it is italicized. I presume some editors here have a better understanding of what the software actually is/does. It matters to the article's formatting as a GA on its way to FA. I haven't an opinion, so I thought I'd ask.

The issue occurs in para 2 of Software. That para also has capitalization problems. I'm not aware of any normal cases in English sentences where foxes, rabbits, or tape recorders are proper nouns.   —Aladdin Sane (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

It's actually called Evolution, it was on the Horizons tape that came with the Spectrum. Its not a game, its a mathematical modeling program, or simulation, but not a game. - X201 (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
@X201: Thanks, that sounds accurate to me. Many programs have colloquial names that are not their proper names (NetWare is still not named Novell, to this day. "What do you run?" "I run Novell." "Wow, you run a whole company on your computer?") This confounds guidelines such as WP:COMMONNAME royally.
The issue of the software's actual name is not one I can address as an editor or expert on the issue (because I am not one).
Nonetheless, the issue I brought up regards game software versus all other types of software: Games always get to be italicized and all other software (regardless of whether we have the name correct or not) does not.
As I stare at the paragraph, I realize it addresses separate issues, and can be broken in two.
A cite for this simulation program would be nice, if someone knows where to find it.   —Aladdin Sane (talk) 21:39, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Cite the cassette inlay itself with {{Cite AV media notes| title = Psion Horizons Software starter pack| others = | year = 1982| type = Cassette inlay| publisher = Psion| quote = EVOLUTION or Foxes and Rabbits This program shows in simple BASIC how complex mathematical differential equations can be solved on even a microcomputer like the Spectrum.}} There's also a Wikipedia article about it, Horizons: Software Starter Pack that could do with being linked to. - X201 (talk) 08:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. Works for me. Thanks.   —Aladdin Sane (talk) 20:04, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Forgive this quick unformatted comment... shouldn't be the Horizons: Software Starter Pack be merged in the ZX Spectrum main subject ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:17, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Why on Earth should it be? Horizons: Software Starter Pack is a separate entity from the ZX Spectrum. There is no need to merge it to this article just because it runs on the Spectrum. We don't generally merge articles about software to their respective computer articles anywhere else either. JIP | Talk 18:48, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Attribute clash[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to not merge. The1337gamer (talk) 10:48, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Article is completely unsourced and in any sources I could find, "attribute clash" is the subject of independent, dedicated commentary. It is most notable in association with the ZX Spectrum, which already has a small section on the idea. It follows that it should be merged there and if any more sources somehow appear in the future, it can always spin out summary style. Tangentially, the images in this article right now are an egregious violation of WP:NFCC#3. – czar 22:48, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Oppose Let's just say that my opinion of the merge proposer's familiarity with the topic was somewhat coloured by their undiscussed "merge" of the article being to add a screen shot from an MSX to the Spectrum article (a good article).
If you're not aware of this, the MSX is not a Spectrum. It has a different video system, it suffers different limitations. It certainly does not belong pasted into the Spectrum article.
Attribute clash was a major characteristic of the Spectrum and had a defining role in its games. It warrants a substantial article, an article that we already have at Attribute clash. A level of detail that would be UNDUE in the Spectrum article itself.
The question of sourcing is a good one, but this topic was hugely covered in the 30 year old sources that cover it. If anyone wants to improve the article by addressing that, they need access to the 30 year old computer magazines and a few books (sorry, but mine were recycled years ago). Even without though, it's a profoundly negative change to the encyclopedia to delete this article, as has been tried so far. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
The point was to show the effect. It was a bold edit and you removed it—that's fine. What sources do you have that will let attribute clash stand as its own article? By the way, many of the magazines from this era are online, but a search for "attribute clash" revealing only passing mentions does not bode well. An alternative would be a merge to Glossary of video game terms. – czar 22:59, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - for exactly the same reasons as Andy Dingley puts forward. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - it would be like merging Computer virus with Microsoft Windows just because it has the most of it. Here are a few refs. to other computers with the effect [4] [5] [6]. --Frodet (talk) 21:57, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose per everyone else. Attribute clash is not a feature unique to the ZX Spectrum. Heck, even the Commodore 64 has it. JIP | Talk 13:06, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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Note that the 2 cited sources are invalid. One is a Youtube upload of an Italian TV advert - irrelevant as this is English Wikipedia. The other one only shows that the pronunciation was used in a British TV advert. NOT that the worldwide pronunciation is as spoken in this advert. I can find Youtube videos that show British people pronuncing "Z80" differently to American people. Please show a valid source that proves worldwide the pronunciation of "ZX Spectrum" is as keeps being added. For the record I pronounce it in the British way, and it would be nice if everyone did so, but I am sure that Americans don't. Rapido (talk) 12:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

You kind of prove the point and necessity of the British pronunciation in your own edit above. You are most likely quite correct that Americans don't pronounce it in the British - that is "correct" - way, but this is probably because the method of correct pronunciation is being removed from the article, so they are under the impression that it is indeed the "Zee-Ecks Spectrum". You are incorrect in one small way - the pronunciation is not for a worldwide market, but for the market of origin, or most influential market, and in this case it's the British market. In cases such as this it's particularly important to show the pronunciation in th ehome market, given the national difference between the letter "Z" for the Americans and British.
As examples, have a look at the Subaru page which indicates pronunciation that any British person would never use, as british pronunciation has a short "a", not a long one. Also, see the Nissan article, which covers all bases and includes American, British and Japanese pronunications.
And as an aside - while it's discussed, as per WP:BRD the edit should stay in place - so I've reverted it again. As this is obviously a contentious issue, it should be kept in the state when the first revert was done - Bold - Revert - Discuss. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
You didn't cover the fact that one of the "sources" is in Italian, and doesn't even pronounce "Zed Ex" in the British fashion at all! The pronounciation of Subaru immediately follows the Japanese text, so is implied to be a reference to the Japanese pronunciation. What's interesting is that the pronunciation of Subaru and Nissan are given in completion, however the pronunciation for "ZX Spectrum" isn't given, only the first two letters. It also doesn't state that this is a British pronounciation. This leads to the impression that there is only one correct way to pronounce these 2 letters in English, which isn't the case at all. As such the reverted version is incorrect, and hardly encyclopaedic. Rapido (talk) 09:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
You are edit warring. You need to look up The wrong version and understand that even if you're of the opinion that the incorrect version is in place - it stays there while we are discussing it. If you are proved correct, then it can be removed, but not before.
I would suggest that it is only necessary to provide an explanation of the pronunciation of "ZX" because it is pronounced differently in different countries - much in the same way that Nissan, and Subaru are used because they are pronounced differently in different countries.
You are correct that "It also doesn't state that this is a British pronounciation" - so a better solution would be to clarify that this is the british pronunciation, much in the same way that when you state "This leads to the impression that there is only one correct way to pronounce these 2 letters in English, which isn't the case at all" you are correct in that statement, but when this is a BrEng article, it is the only correct way to pronounce it in British English, so should be stated as such. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
To throw my penny in I'd also add that, if the issue hinges on a belief that the current sources are insufficient, the first step should be to look into whether better sources can be gained (and give time for that to happen), rather than stating they are insufficient and immediately yanking the section from the article. Aawood (talk) 12:36, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
ZX Spectrum is made up of two letters and a dictionary word, all with defined pronunciations in the English dictionary (albeit pronunciations which vary between British and American dictionaries), unlike Subaru and Nissan, so I don't think a direct comparison should be made. I am also worried that the addition of the pronunciation key was made (some time ago) without any logical reason. Perhaps snobbishness or patriotism? I don't know. But similar articles for computers with names made up of dictionary words are not given a pronunciation key (e.g. Jupiter Ace, Commodore 64 and Apple II come to mind). So why is it needed at all? Rapido (talk) 13:57, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
It is a product, and products have specific pronunciations, Like why Sega isn't pronounces Seega, Nestle isn't prnounced Nessel, nor La-z-boy isn't pronounced Lay-Zed-Boy. and don't straw man in snobbery, by your definition you can pronounce anything as you see fit. (talk) 23:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Nestle IS pronounced "Nessel" by a large number of British population - that was the pronunciation used on Nestle adverts until the 1980s, although no longer used by the company. And I have heard "Seega" too, although I've not heard of "La-z-boy" before. Please provide a genuine citation showing the "specific pronunciation" in the English language. Rapido (talk) 10:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
We have provides sources, International adverts where it's pronounced ZED X, what more do you want? It's called a ZED X Spectrum. Show me where it's meant to be pronounced as Zee X? Which is why the pronunciation has been there. (talk) 10:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
The "international" advert is in Italian, and gives the Italian pronunciation of the letters 'ZX', far unlike the British pronunciation. Not sure how that is relevant to the matter at hand. "ZX Spectrum" isn't like your other examples with are non-dictionary words. In fact if you ask an American to pronounce Nestle, you'll get a completely different pronunciation from what any British person would say. So how is that a "specific pronunciation"? Rapido (talk) 14:26, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────A quick comment, but as I said before - you're proving the necessity of having the pronunciation by confirming that - once again - Americans pronounce words differently to the UK. Due to this difference, it's important to specify the "correct" method or pronunciation, much in the same way (as another example) Jaguar Cars specify the UK method of pronunciation, which is very different to the American "Jagwar" method. Moreover, to quickly address your comments that "similar articles for computers with names made up of dictionary words are not given a pronunciation key" - you are absolutely correct, but the ZX Spectrum is not made up of dictionary words, but letters - and one specific letter which is pronounced differently in America to the UK - and that's the primary reason why it's necessary here, but not for your other examples. I'm also curious as to this statement - "Please provide a genuine citation showing the 'specific pronunciation' in the English language." - this article adheres to BREng, so are you somehow suggesting that "Zed Ecks" is incorrect British English? Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)