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RfC - infobox image

(non-admin closure) Image A is the most-favored image of the five candidate photos, by a substantial margin. While consensus is not a vote, a poll is a common mechanism used on English Wikipedia for choosing lead images when multiple image options are available, provided that arguments are weighed by their quality and their basis in policy. Image A also happens to be the status quo infobox image.- MrX 🖋 20:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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Which image should be used as the infobox image?

Davey2010Talk 22:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Image A

  • Support as second choice, as this was the image the subject preferred we use.MarkBernstein (talk) 23:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Blocked for Gamergate violations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emir of Wikipedia (talkcontribs)
  • Voting isn't a substitute for consensus. Nothing has changed, and presenting each of these images as being of equal significance is misleading, at best. As I've already explain, this is the only one that isn't borderline insulting. At this point I have to suspect that's the point of this charade. Grayfell (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. This was the first choice of the subject and we already have consensus to use it.--Jorm (talk) 00:47, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support It's a good photo. --ChiveFungi (talk) 01:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Not sure why the others are considered--C and D are very, very unflattering for various reasons and D is unacceptably vague. B is awesome but obscures most of her face. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Agree with Drmies's points 100%. Photo A is the obvious choice. Rockypedia (talk) 19:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong Support It's an excellent, well composed photograph of an unusual subject, and the one which she herself prefers. The others are either mediocre or unflattering. kencf0618 (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Count me with Rockypedia and Drmies. Seems like the best to me, though a lot of that is simply personal aesthetic opinion. Thanks. Dumuzid (talk) 14:00, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Obviously the most well-known and iconic image; it's used on several of the article's sources. This makes it the most natural and appropriate choice for the lead. --Aquillion (talk) 16:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support as first choice. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:15, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, per subject's preference. Kaldari (talk) 05:21, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

*Support - If this is purely between A and C then A wins hands down, if we're accepting all options still then my first choice would be None (because Image B is the only best one out of them all however this cannot be used due to the camera). –Davey2010Talk 16:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Struck in light of Image E below. –Davey2010Talk 17:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support with the same rational as Drmies. The subject in C appears odd out of context of the whole image. Rhinopias (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2017 (UTC) Editing to expand, as the "unflattering" discussion isn't satisfying to some… B is obviously not very representational, and D is not a good picture (and looks horrible in this comparison). I stand my by reasoning for not agreeing with C and dislike how the subject isn't looking at the camera… it looks awkward. I don't think A is a perfect an outstanding option, so none is a relatively close second. Rhinopias (talk) 00:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I didn't know that the subject's expression of a preference for A took place in 2013 or 2014. Now also in light of E below – and even the wider crop of C from SlimVirgin which I'm not sure why I didn't think of – this RfC is now also confusingly outdated. Rhinopias (talk) 04:25, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Perfectly fine. Volunteer Marek  04:34, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support -- long-standing image; no concerns. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:16, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support per the fact that it's a perfectly fine picture and the subject has expressed a preference for it. Absent a seriously compelling reason not to use it (and I see none presented here), we ought to respect that preference. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:32, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Per Drmies, and it seems to be the subject’s preferred image. —Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 23:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose - According to Wikipedia's image use policy: "The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central." According to the Manual of Style, "the less information [an infobox] contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." I believe this photo is too busy and too distracting and not appropriate for an infobox. Further, the fact that the photo's author is also the subject creates potential WP:COI concerns. An encyclopedic photo should be taken by a neutral party.--Rpclod (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose - It's blurry, poorly cropped, and much of the subject's face is obscured by her hair. I'm glad it's been said before because I feel like a bit of a stick-in-the-mud making the argument, but a goofy car selfie just isn't encyclopedic. I'm also very unconvinced by arguments based on the subject's favourite picture of herself. Cjhard (talk) 03:59, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - As this is simply the most flattering picture of her. Meatsgains (talk) 22:58, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
"Flattering" is not among the criteria found in the Wikimedia image use policy.--Rpclod (talk) 16:27, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
When dealing with a number of pictures which one might find equally clear and elucidatory, it seems entirely reasonable to me to take aesthetics into consideration. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 16:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Image B

Image C

*Support as nom - C looks more normal and is the only image where you can clearly see her face. (A looks more like a selfie and IMHO isn't really appropriate as an image, B although high quality has the camera covering most of her face, and D looks somewhat fuzzy (because it's 3d), –Davey2010Talk 22:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Struck in light of Image E below. –Davey2010Talk 17:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Clearly the best image. The only one was her face is clear, which should be the main criteria. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support As Emir writes, this is the only one which presents her face. The argument that it is "unflattering" is directly contradictory our fundamental policy of WP:NPOV. It is not our job to flatter our subjects, it is our job to present them accurately. If the image were insulting, that would be different, but I don't see any way in which it is insulting, she is composed, looking at the camera, and smiling. Unlike, say, A, in which she is grimacing. --GRuban (talk) 19:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support (Summoned by bot) I don't think it is unflattering. D is no good, B is awesome but obscures her face, and personally I don't like A because it has a odd background. I would support A if that is where the majority is. And don't get me started on the validity of this RfC or how consensus works in reality! L3X1 (distænt write) 16:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support It appears to be the newest of the choices, and presents the subject clearly. Arkon (talk) 20:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support from among the choices. This appears to be a generic portrait image of someone, if altered from original slightly. Neutral background, lighting, pose. My question to clarify what seems to be unflattering with it (or even other images) didn't produce any objective answers, so I see no reason to judge these photos by special criteria. Not the best image perhaps, but appears to be the most encyclopedic from the bunch. B covers the subject's face. D is blurry (for our purposes) and rotated. A is rotated, cropped and older than C. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 20:38, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Agree with Davey and Hellknowz. D is definitely very unflattering/perhaps even insulting. However I definitely don't see much issue with C; it's pretty close to a standard portrait and she has a normal, smiling expression. C does somehow look slightly weird on such a small thumbnail - maybe that's what some are referring too? But the larger image is clearly fine. Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:37, 8 December 2017 (UTC) E is the best actually. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. As above, "Sorry, but I fail to see how the 2016 image is somehow not complimentary: head-on portrait, smiling, during a professional engagement. WP rarely gets up-to-date free use images of this quality." It was edited, as requested, to remove the mic. It is a high-res image taken during a public-facing professional event. I fail to see how the subject submitting an amateur image several years prior becomes preferable to the 2016 image, unless I've missed her updated opinion somewhere. On any other page, we would use the most recent, representative photo, and I don't see how this wouldn't be it. If you don't like this, you're welcome to reach out for a new image. czar 12:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- this is a crop of an image taken at at conference
    Ripple Effect - How Women-in-Games Initiatives Make a Difference - GDC 2016 (25777166301).jpg
    ; that's why it looks weird / unbalanced. Unsuitable as an infobox image, especially given that a better image is already in use in the article. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:16, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - In contradistinction to my arguments in opposition to image A, I believe that this picture is clear, neutral, and does not distract from the remainder of the infobox or article.--Rpclod (talk) 12:55, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Agree with above sentiments. Clear, neutral, appropriate for a Wikipedia article. I honestly do not see what some see as being so unflattering about the photo. I think it's quite nice, actually. Cjhard (talk) 03:52, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose a better image is already in use. No need for this one. Rockypedia (talk) 00:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Image C is a high quality near-portrait at a professional speaking engagement. All around, exactly the kind of image we select for biographies. The cropped versions of image E are lower quality images, but credible second place options. Image A is a rather poor third place. It's a partially obscured, lower quality, goofy car selfie with a distracting background. Rather encyclopedic. Image D is just about tied as a lousy third choice. The quality is poor, and I agree with the general assessment that it's an overall poor depiction. Image B is beautiful, but utterly disqualified for almost entirely obscuring the subject. Alsee (talk) 07:25, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Image D

I fixed D a bit to get rid of odd camera angle but new choice E is better quality with same natural facial expression. --DHeyward (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

None

Blocked for Gamergate violations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emir of Wikipedia (talkcontribs)
  • Sure. This would also be perfectly acceptable. Grayfell (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support as second choice. Better than images B/C/D. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Yeah sure as second choice. Arkon (talk) 20:49, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

Pinging each and every editor who discussed the image above: Czar — Chess — David Eppstein — Rockypedia — Ryk72 — Emir of Wikipedia — Kaldari — Grayfell — Kencf0618 — Dumuzid: –Davey2010Talk 23:00, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Why the hell are we talking about this again if nothing has changed? This is the third time? Fourth? The current image is still the only clear photo that isn't actively unflattering. Quinn specifically requested that image D not be used, so why is this being proposed except as a dud option to make the only slightly better' option C more appealing? Grayfell (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Because I was unaware of previous discussions and because I want a solid consensus, If you have an issue with this RFC don't participate it's that simple. –Davey2010Talk 23:38, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
That's not how consensus, or Wikipedia, work. The burden is on you to change consensus, not to ignore it and start over when you don't like how it went the first time. Grayfell (talk) 23:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
There was no consensus to begin and I'm not ignoring consensus - I'm solidifying it, Again as I said if you disagree with this RFC you're more than welcome to leave but repeatedly moaning over it isn't going to magically make it disappear, This RFC has started and will continue for the next 30 days. –Davey2010Talk 00:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
No, there was consensus; you just didn't look for it. There's no need for this RFC; the matter was already discussed ad nauseum.--Jorm (talk) 00:47, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
If you're referring to Talk:Zoë_Quinn/Archive_2#Zoe_Quinn_image that was in 2014 and this was not an RFC, As for "the matter was already discussed ad nauseum" ... that's just bullshit and deserves to be ignored in its entirety. –Davey2010Talk 01:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
You do not get to decide this is off-topic. You started this RFC, and this issue has already been discussed many times. Pointing this out is part of building consensus. Other times this has been discussed on this talk page: Talk:Zoë Quinn#2016 photo, Talk:Zoë Quinn/Archive 3#Current pic is not encyclopedic, Talk:Zoë Quinn/Archive 2#The main picture of Ms. Quinn and Talk:Zoë Quinn/Archive 2#Zoe Quinn image. Grayfell (talk) 01:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


User:Davey2010 wrote: "{{closed rfc top|result= I give up I seriously do, It's editors like Grayfell .... you know lets leave it there before I get myself blocked, consensus is to use A. –Davey2010Talk 02:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)}}"

Sorry, Davey, reopening. Not even 2 days have passed, it's way too early to judge consensus, and a number of editors besides yourself have commented, so it's not just your decision to close it any more, even though you did open it. We need to let this run to find a real consensus. --GRuban (talk) 19:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Agreed but after the pointless discussion above I figured closing was for the best, Thanks for reopening I guess. –Davey2010Talk 20:05, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

As an alternative, why not include an image of Quinn’s book jacket https://www.amazon.com/Crash-Override-Gamergate-Destroyed-Against-ebook/dp/B01N4JZ9I2/. This has a full-length portrait of the subject, and it (like A) is a portrait we can assume the subject finds adequate. Note that the image here is not similar to portraits C or D. MarkBernstein (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately it's not a free image. Wikipedia policy is that we're not allowed to use non-free images to show what living people look like, since it's theoretically possible to take a free image of them, and in this case we even actually have 4. (Well, arguably 3, since even Quinn's own mother wouldn't be able to tell picture B from any other redhead behind a camera.) --GRuban (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Having kept myself mostly out of loop on the subject, why is C considered unflattering? Several editors remark so, but I admit I fail to see the reasons. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Being absolutely honest all of the images are unflattering - There's not one great image here, Anyway could everyone explain why this image is better than C ? .... Both are equally unflattering so I wanna know what makes this the least unflattering ?, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 00:29, 7 December 2017‎ (UTC)

Image C Unflattering?

Image C, a wider crop

@Grayfell: @Drmies: @Kencf0618:: Several editors have now asked what makes image C unflattering (or even "borderline insulting"), as the three of you have stated. Could you explain why you believe it is so? Not just to satisfy our curiosity, but so the RfC closer can give proper weight to your arguments? --GRuban (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rockypedia: Or you as well, since you "agree with Drmies's points 100%" - why do you consider the image unflattering? --GRuban (talk) 20:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
The image is unflattering, and explaining why would be rude. Drmies (talk) 20:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict × 2) I get where you're coming from Doc but if they're all unflattering then it might be helpful to try and explain why A is the least unflattering ?, Obviously we have BLPVIO to think of but at the same time we should try and be honest about it, –Davey2010Talk 20:19, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Davey. At least A is quirky and funny, and it's a picture of someone who obviously doesn't mind having their picture taken at that moment. With C, I'm not sure about that. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, I mean A is a selfie, hard to beat that when it comes to that sort of standard. Do we need WP:SELFIE? Arkon (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Are you perhaps looking at the small thumbnail only? Atleast to me, in the larger image it's seems more clear that she's smiling and happy; however when zoomed out it doesn't seem so. Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:43, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
hey GRuban, you know exactly why, which is why you're not going to bait me into dignifying your question with an explicit answer. Nice try though. Bless your heart. Rockypedia (talk) 20:15, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, clearly three of us don't know. It's centered, not blurry, displays her face, she is looking at the camera, smiling, not in an embarrassing pose, nothing that I can see, frankly. Is it that it shows she has piercings in her lips, or she has her hair colored unnaturally? So do all the others. If there is no better answer, I will ask the RfC closer to disregard your arguments. --GRuban (talk) 20:17, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
I will ask the RfC closer to disregard your arguments based on the fact that you have given no indication why you don't understand that photo C puts the subject in an unflattering light. I'll give you one thing, you're obviously very good at bending Wikipedia policy to try and meet your goals while keeping calm in your typed text. I could learn a lot from you, because I'd like to say a few things about your true motivations that aren't printable in the New York Times. Bravo, really. You should teach a class on it. Rockypedia (talk) 22:36, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Is there are reason you're not assuming good faith? Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:49, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Rockypedia - No one's baiting anyone, Maybe I'm the dense one here but I genuinely have no idea what makes this the least unflattering I honestly don't. –Davey2010Talk 20:21, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Me too..I think perhaps it looks slightly bad when so zoomed out, but the full image looks fine. Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:49, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
This is baiting. It doesn't matter whether three editors don't understand that it's unflattering, or they don't care if it's unflattering, or if the chose it because it's unflattering. The end result is the same. We don't ignore aesthetic concerns, especially not in a BLP. If you don't understand why this photo is less flattering than the rest, which you admit are not flattering, accept that maybe this isn't your area of expertise and move on. Grayfell (talk) 20:34, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
We do, however, ignore concerns that people refuse to explain. I'm not a professional photographer by any means, but I've uploaded a fair number of images here. Some are better than others: some are blurrier, or don't display the subject's face, or have the subject in an awkward pose, or embarrassing expression, a hundred other issues, but they can all be stated. If you want to say it's your personal preference, that's one thing, but if you say there is something objectively wrong with the image, say what it is. --GRuban (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
I did explain it, you just don't like it. If want critique of your own photographs, go elsewhere, or not, I don't care, as you should know full well that's totally irrelevant. If you want us to give a detailed critique of photo of a woman who has become known primarily as a target of a harassment campaign, which, as is common for women, have fixated on her physical appearance and specifically to Quinn involve photographs of her, then yes, you are baiting us into contributing to that harassment. Good lord. Grayfell (talk) 21:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Saying that this maybe isn't an area of expertise to someone is not an explanation, but bordering on being uncivil. The onus is on those who say that an image is unflattering, if they can't prove it is objectively wrong. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
WTF? "unflattering" and "objective" in the same sentence? Are you deliberately trying to make any explanation impossible? And why do you think an aesthetic judgement such as this one requires any explanation at all? —David Eppstein (talk) 00:52, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Why might some Wikipedia editors insist on a detailed discussion of a woman’s appearance? Why would they claim to "instruct” closing administrators to disregard any arguments from people who decline to discuss that woman’s appearance? Ought we to adjourn this “RFC” to a more suitable venue, since it appears we’re inevitably headed to AN/I or AE. MarkBernstein (talk) 23:19, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

This article is under ArbCom sanctions so AE may be more appropriate than ANI. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:25, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Why? Because we want the best Wikipedia articles. Strangely enough, not everyone's Wikipedia editing is intended to either benefit or harm the encyclopedia subjects, some of us -most of us, hopefully! - write to improve the encyclopedia. Methinks you're starting at shadows and suspecting us all of ulterior motives that are just not present. We can objectively explain what is wrong with image A, and right with image C, without discussing "the woman's appearance" as such, just the image. Image A is slanted, her face isn't fully visible, one eye is covered by hair, she seems to be grimacing, rather than smiling, because one side of her mouth looks to be open wider than the other, one of the most prominent features of the image is her fist in the foreground, covered with a distracting design, all of which contributes to the image not accurately portraying what she looks like. (She isn't noted for going about with her ornamented fist in front of her face, right? She's neither a tattoo model nor a boxer?) This doesn't make the image unusable, it just makes it worse than image C, in which Quinn's face is centered, vertical, and completely visible, the background is monotone, there are no distracting elements, and in which she appears calm, smiling, and at peace. All those elements seem highly desirable in an image illustrating what a person looks like, and none of them a "a detailed discussion of a woman's appearance", just of the image. --GRuban (talk) 15:53, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
The only people discussing her appearance are those that are calling any of these images "unflattering." Her preferred picture has the most weight but unexplained and subjective reasons are not valid arguments. --DHeyward (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Unflattering or not, D is just a bad photo. It's fuzzy, blurry, and out of focus. There's some weird shit in the background which distracts. It's bad composition. The lighting is bad. Etc. The only reason someone would chose D is because they're trying to be a donkfole. Volunteer Marek  04:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Volunteer Marek - Not sure if you're aware but this discussion is inregards to Image C, Only one person out of what 10-15 have !voted for D so we can safely rule it out of this discussion quite honestly, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 03:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm aware. Volunteer Marek  05:05, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm puzzled that anyone would think C is unflattering. In my view, it's a nice image and much better than A. SarahSV (talk) 06:48, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Comparison as in actual article

I've created a comparison here of A and C (the only real contenders) as how it'd actually look in the article - I don't think the above way is a good way to do it, especially when trying to do subjective comparisons. Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:58, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

I've also done a comparison of all the images > User:Davey2010/archive/Zoe Quinn comparison and so far I would say B was the best one, My second choice would have to b "None" because other than B none of them look right (and we can't use B because of the camera). –Davey2010Talk 16:31, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Forgot to add but if we were !voting purely between A and C then I would have to !vote A hands down. –Davey2010Talk 16:32, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Close and restart?

CLOSED:
Closed - No need to be left open, Thanks all, –Davey2010Talk 03:33, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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Just a suggestion but as this has got all confusing would it be a good idea to restart this and have A, C or none as options ? (so we leave out B and D) ? (or maybe not have None as an option?), Just a suggestion, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 16:41, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

There's only one !vote for B or D, and it's a just a bare support, so it's not like it's going to matter.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:02, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Davey2010: I think everyone would agree about leaving out D, but regarding B you yourself said I would say B was the best one. We could remove the none option but it has had multiple supporters here. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:03, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Well he also said "Image B is the only best one out of them all however this cannot be used due to the camera" so I think it can be removed. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:10, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Okie dokie thanks all I'll just leave it open, I just wasn't sure if it might of helped that was all, no worries, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 17:55, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Subjects preferred image

People have said things amongst this line of reasoning, can anybody provide evidence or clarify that it was verified by OTRS? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:19, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

I believe they are referring to her remarks on twitter, from the archives. — Strongjam (talk) 00:07, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for that Strongjam. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:27, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@MarkBernstein, Kencf0618, Kaldari, NorthBySouthBaranof, and Anthonyhcole: If what Strongjam has said is correct then this preference predates the creation of image C. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:27, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

We know the subject's attitude to A - she's fine with it in the article. We don't know her attitude toward C. I'm seeing no consensus for change here. Please don't ping me for anything else related to this discussion. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 12:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Image E

Zoe Quinn, September 2015

I've uploaded this screenshot from a cc-by video on YouTube of the 2015 XOXO festival. This is the image I'd use if it were up to me. @Davey2010, Czar, GRuban, K.e.coffman, Anthonyhcole, Jorm, Kaldari, and Grayfell: any thoughts? SarahSV (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

For me this is definitely a second choice. I'd actually say it's about equal with choice A, but knowing that one was endorsed by the subject gives it a slight edge to my mind. Thanks for the alternate suggestion. Dumuzid (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
This is my preference as the most natural facial expression and is better than D in terms of quality. There is a similar photo on Flickr at the same event but the license limits commercial use (CC by SA 2.0) --DHeyward (talk) 16:55, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
That image on Flickr concerns me because it was uploaded by one of the people involved in making the video. I emailed him before I found the video but haven't heard back yet. He released his image cc-by-nc (which we can't use) on Flickr, but the organizers released the video cc-by on YouTube. SarahSV (talk) 17:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • First choice - For me atleast this is absolutely perfect - I can't find fault with this whatsoever, I appreciate the subject may have uploaded or chosen A but we should use images that we like not her (and I don't mean that disrespectfully), Anyway perfect image in my eyes. –Davey2010Talk 17:03, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
    Well that comment was in 2014 too. I don't think it was a "this image the best of every picture imaginable" Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:06, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Seems good. I think it should be cropped though - is that better?
Zoe Quinn, September 2015 (1) cropped (cropped).jpg
. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I deliberately didn't centre her, and the tartan skirt looks good, so I didn't want to crop it. But I like the look of your crop too. SarahSV (talk) 17:23, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Zoe Quinn, September 2015 (1) (cropped) (2).jpg
Clearly there aren't enough versions. :-) This one (on the left), keeps the skirt like Sarah's (though does crop away the faint YouTube status bar along the bottom), but removes blank space like Galobtter's. I think there is room on the page for several images of the subject; it's not a small article. --GRuban (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I like yours in general, but I don't think it's a good crop ratio for the lead photo. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Good point. If we can have multiple images, I'm fine with a squarer image for the lead. --GRuban (talk) 17:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Second choice. Alternatively, use this image in the body of the article -- i.e. when the Gamegate is discussed, such as with caption: "Quinn at X event, Y year". The image looks a bit similar to what's on the cover of the book, so it would be relatable. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:39, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Sooo, I assume the RfC has to be rerun? Can have three choices A, C, and E. Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:03, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The longer I look at these photos, including E, the more I like all of them. So I've arrived at the point now where I have genuinely no preference, so I don't think I have much to add here. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 04:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Second choice Still not as good as A but better than C at least. Rockypedia (talk) 18:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Equal with C I like it too! Arkon (talk) 21:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Nice work—I'm all for this. I would prefer a square headshot for the infobox if there is a reasonable crop, but otherwise recommend Sarah's E image as proposed. We don't need to "re-run" the RfC if we can find consensus here. czar 10:59, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
I concur with Czar's comment.--Rpclod (talk) 12:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

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