Template:Did you know nominations/Royce Coleman Dyer

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Royce Coleman Dyer

Created by Thats Just Great (talk). Self-nominated at 17:55, 8 July 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Red XN - NA
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg I think the hooks (they're much the same, honestly) are, or at least lead to, a misunderstanding of the text. The hook implies that the mutineers carried Dyer's portrait around. The text implies that Dyer's earlier recruits carried his portrait around, while the mutineers were mostly or wholly recruited after his death, and were politically different from the earlier recruits, both factors making it rather unlikely they continued to carry his portrait around after the mutiny.

As a general note, the article is mostly dependent on a single source, and that source is pretty marginal (research by a PhD candidate, published in a blog?) so I'm not at all sure it would survive Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. It is an interesting article, and the DYK criteria don't seem to include "would definitely survive AFD", so that doesn't directly affect my review, but if you want to be sure, try to find at least one more indepth source about Dyer. Ford must have. For example, some articles from the Winnipeg Evening Tribune like that clipping? In any case, I find the word "famous" in the article lede rather questionable, since even Ford's paper says his is an "untold story", please rephrase that. GRuban (talk) 18:05, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

  • @GRuban: Adjusted the wording, added the sources you provided and changed the hook. -- Thats Just Great (talk) 02:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT3 ... that after its beloved Canadian leader, Capt Dyer, died his unit of the Slavo-British Allied Legion took to carrying a massive portrait of him and would later murder all of the unit's other officers?
    • Symbol confirmed.svg I think we want a period after "Capt" (or just spell out "Captain", it's not that long), and a comma after "died", but if you disagree I am not going to block over it. Looks good to me! --GRuban (talk) 17:20, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT4 ... that after its beloved Canadian leader, Captain Dyer, died, his Slavo-British unit took to carrying a massive portrait of him and would later murder all of the unit's other officers?