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Too many 2 star officers[edit]

Currently this template includes deputy chief navy, army and airforce and a number of commanders of forces. The problem is it misses the navy systems commander, commander 1 div, commander special forces command which are all three of equal status as commander forces commander, air commander and commander aus fleet. There are also numerous other 2 star positions not mentioned see Senior Australian_Defence Organisation Positions. Perhaps it should only include 3 and 4 star positions???--TinTin (talk) 06:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the three Forces Commanders hold a higher position (if not rank) than the other two star positions. Limiting this template to the Deputies and the three Forces Commanders provides a good summary of the ADF leadership. It would go on forever if we listed all the Army two star positions! ;) --Oliver Nouther (talk) 06:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I wonder just how many "uniformed" 2 star positions there are?
Stealing from Senior Australian Defence Organisation Positions, see below.
P.S. Please correct the table.
Comments:
  • "Senior Australian Defence Organisation Positions" needs updating!
  • It looks like there are about 30 two stars (?)
  • It's too bloody hard to track them all down!!
  • I had thought about adding all of them to the template, BUT a) It's too hard & b) It would be impossible to keep it current.
Well, I guess that means that not only you two, but me third, all agree there are too many.
("So what?" I hear you reply. "We'd already come to that conclusion.") Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid this is what one lets oneself in for by increasing the scope of this template, however well-intentioned that may be... ;-) When I created it (I think after discussion with Oliver or Pdf or both, it was a long time ago) it was deliberately restricted to CDF and the 3-stars. That kept it stable for quite a while. Now it's got some 2-stars, there's the risk that the flood gates will open... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid this is what one lets oneself in for - Yes. So it would seem.
I extended it - "it seemed like a good idea at the time". Perhaps now I'm not so sure that it was such a good idea. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Table of ADF 2 stars @ April 2011[edit]

C? = May be a civilian position, not an ADF Joint position

Org Joint Navy Army Air Force
DMO
  • Head, Helicopter Systems Division (HHSD) Campbell
  • Program Manager, Collins and Wedgetail (PMCW) Deeble
  • Program Manager, New Air Combat Capability (PMNACC) Osley
  • C? Head, Electronic Systems Division (HESD) Alward
  • C? Head, Explosive Ordnance Division (HEOD) Klenthis
  • C? Program Manager, Air Warfare Destroyer Cawley
  • Head, Maritime Systems Division (HMSD) Marshall
  • Head, Land Systems Division (HLSD) Cavenagh
  • Head, Aerospace Systems Division (HASD) Thorne
Capability Development
  • Head, Capability Systems (HCS) Plenty
  • Others? - Yes - Jones (position??)
CIO
  • Head Information and Communications Technology Operations Milford
Intelligence
  • Director, Defence Intelligence Organisation (DIO) ??
  • Others??
Operations
  • Commander, Border Protection Barrett
  • Commander, Joint Logistics (CJLOG) Staib
  • Deputy Commander Joint Operations (DCJOPS) ??
  • Commander of Australian Forces in the MEAO ??
People Strategies
  • Head, Defence Personnel Executive (HDPE) ??
  • Others??
Strategy
  • Head Military Strategic Commitments Power
Support Several (e.g. Liz Cosson retired? )
Training
  • Commander Joint Education, Training and Warfare Goldrick
VCDF Adviser to the VCDF on
Joint Warfighting Lessons and Concepts -
Jim Molan retired.

Others??
DJFHQ Who? Commander 1Div
(i.e. double hatted)
Who?
Navy
  • Deputy Chief of Navy (DCN) Jones
  • Commander Australian Fleet (COMAUSFLT) Gilmore
Army
  • Deputy Chief of Army (DCA) Symon
  • Commander Forces Command (CFC) Morrison
  • Special Operations Commander, Australia (Gus Gilmore)
  • Head of Modernisation and Strategic Planning - Army Caligari
  • Commander, 1st Division [who?]
  • Commander, 2nd Division [who?]
Air Force
  • Deputy Chief of Air Force (DCAF) Brown
  • Air Commander Australia (ACAUST) Skidmore
Reserves
  • Assistant CDF (Reserves) and
    Head Reserve and Employer Support Division Brereton
Others
  • Judge Advocate General (JAG) (Tracey)
  • Inspector-General ADF (rank?)
  • Inspector-General (rank?)