Template talk:Atheism sidebar

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Image, yet again[edit]

I reverted a change in the sidebar image made by the editor at They said that they had looked through the talk and saw little discussion, only people disliking the current parchment image. I would like to note that most of the discussion has taken place on the Atheism article, and that most (possibly all) of the discussion is archived. The consensus that has eventually been reached is to remain with a historical, reasonably neutral image rather than use the logo of a specific organization (such as the atom logo) or a symbol popularized by a specific subset of the much broader range of atheist thought (such as the scarlet A.)

Consensus is, of course, subject to change. But before changing the image on this sidebar, please review past discussions at the Atheism article first, then bring your thoughts to this page so the community can weigh in. Yes, this is not quite the Wikipedia guideline of Be Bold, but given the acrimony of previous discussions, I think such caution is warranted and will make for a much more constructive conversation. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 14:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you. Actually, there is discussion above. The way that Wikipedia decides these things is WP:Consensus, so the fact that people have, more than once, raised the question is less important than the answers to that question and the way the discussion then went. That other archived discussion can be found at Talk:Atheism/Archive 43#Atheism symbol. In the past, the arguments against the atom or the scarlet A have been that there is a lack of secondary sourcing to indicate that these symbols widely represent atheism. If the parchment was, as claimed, of non-atheist origin, that's really no big deal, because it isn't as if non-atheists defined it. It's just a word, as rendered historically. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Agnosticism is not part of atheism[edit]

Can the editor who is adding agnosticism to this sidebar please stop and discuss here first. Agnosticism does not fit within the parent topic of atheism. Cheers.Griswaldo (talk) 12:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree. In fact, it makes perfectly good sense to treat it as a "related concept" instead of giving it its own section. I hope that the edit warring will stop; if it doesn't, I'll request protection. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Related concepts[edit]

I just reverted the removal of much of the "related concepts" section of the template, but I recognize that shortening that part is a legitimate issue to consider, so, let's discuss it. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Stop from pushing down other templates[edit]

Is there a way to stop this template from pushing down other templates like what the box does to the {{quote}} templates in Russell's teapot? Sizeofint (talk) 19:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

On possibly removing the Atheist Alliance International symbol[edit]

There is some discussion at Talk:Atheism#Image_for_atheism concerning the appropriateness of the Atheist Alliance International symbol in this template. I would like to suggest that it be removed, since atheism, as a concept, is much broader than anything represented by any particular alliance, and, indeed, as an IP editor has noted, atheistic belief is sometimes actually "not organized". Do people support removing the Atheist Alliance International symbol from this template? (Pinging: Doug Weller) Isambard Kingdom (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

As I said there when I saw the IP's request and your response, yes, I support its removal. Doug Weller talk 17:08, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed. Why do we need a symbol? AAI may want a corporate logo which is relevant to their pages but atheism per se does not need logos, creeds or organisations. Religious bodies may require logos to ensure their adherents only accept the approved doctrine but since atheism has no mystic doctrines and bodies to promulgate them, we don't! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Agree - Since atheism doesn't (and couldn't) have an official symbol or logo, neither should its associated Wikipedia templates. Xenophrenic (talk) 20:17, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
I support the removal of the Atheist Alliance International symbol from this sidebar. To me, it is the equivalent of using the Golden Arches as a symbol to represent all fast food. -- Scjessey (talk) 11:53, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done I went ahead and removed it. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 21:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC)