Template talk:Aust Beer Glass
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Where this template is from
This table is a result of a combination of two tables from two different articles. One table first appeared in the article Australian words. This article was moved to Australian English vocabulary. Then the table was split out from there to Australian English terms for food and drink. It has now been merged back to Australian words but its final resting place is expected to be at Australian English vocabulary. All this may seen chaotic but there was a logic behind it ... trust me.
Anyhow, whilst the table was living at Australian English terms for food and drink the comment was made that "it woudl be nice if the table of beer volumes was in line with the similiar table on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_beer Anyone care to copy it across?" I went there and found the other table. Lo & behold there was a discrepancy with respect to the volumes.
One table had a range of 568 to 575 ml whilst the other only had 568 ml. You will note that all other volumes (except that of the jug which was absent from one table) matched. You will notice also that all other volumes in both tables are interger multiples of 5 ml. Now, you might argue that this is bordering on original research but I know for a fact from personal experience (too much of it I suppose) that at least in a Sydney pub a pint equals 570 ml (it's written on the bottom of the galss). Therefore the table from Australian beer could not have been right with its putting a pint at 568 ml ... unless we're talking about a pub that has used the same pint glasses since premetrication.
As for 575 ml ... hey, it's possible, but why would you round the pint up one notch past the nearest 5 ml ... maybe it's the nearest 25 ml but then why only the pint? On the other hand, 5 ml is less than 1% of a pint. How many barmen/maids would regularly pour beer to within ±1% of a standard size? Thus if this range is supposed to represent how much beer you actually get, then the range should probably be wider and applied to all sizes.
This, of course, was only the first and not the worst of the discrepancies I found between the two tables. In some instances there were different terms used. In these cases I tried to include both/all terms however when it came to the Tasmanian term "beer" one table said that this was 170 ml whilst the other said it was 285 ml. Thus I just deleted this altogether hoping that someone who knows where it belongs will add it back. The other major area of discrepancy was with respect to usage. The terms noted as old-fashioned and rarely encountered in one table didn't always match those noted as rare by the other. My solution was to note all of these terms as old-fashioned and/or rare.
Also one table gave terms on a state/territory-by-state/territory basis whilst the other gave them on a capital city basis. The reasoning for the latter was given as "Please note: the reason why I used capital cities instead of states when I came up with this table is because usage of such names is not uniform throughout any given state." It seemed to be fair reasoning thus I followed this.
Note that the table from Australian beer would seem to indicate that the (imperial) pint is not a measure not traditionally found in Melbourne, SA & WA (double negative intentional). How true is this? Jimp 05:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
From Australian words
Names of beer glasses in different Australian cities Capacity Sydney Darwin Brisbane Adelaide Hobart Melbourne Perth Canberra 115 ml
– – – – small beer – shetland* – 140 ml
pony* – small beer* pony – pony pony* – 170 ml
– – – – six small glass bobbie* – 200 ml
seven* seven beer* butcher – glass glass – 225 ml
– – – – eight – – – 285 ml
middy handle pot schooner ten oz./beer pot middy middy 425 ml
schooner schooner schooner pint schooner* schooner schooner* schooner 568–575 ml
pint – pint imperial pint pint pint pint pint
bold = common
* — rare/extinct
From Australian beer
|115ml||4||~||~||~||~||Shetland Pony#||Small Beer#||~|
|170ml||6||~||Small#||~||~||Bobbie||Beer / Six||~|
|285ml||10||Middy||Pot||Pot||Schooner||Middy||Pot / Ten||Handle|
* Not a measure traditionally found in this state
** Traditionally unusual outside Melbourne & suburbs
# Old-fashioned and rarely encountered
~ Not applicable
Schooners in Victoria
I have a feeling this is a pretty old template, because schooners are very prevalent in Victoria these days, you can get a schooner of beer from basically any pub. I can't speak for WA though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShmosesLEdsall (talk • contribs) 11:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
The schmiddy was recently deleted. Perhaps it was wishful thinking by a beer lover but it's not hard to find evidence that the size at least exists.