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"Radar" – Song or Single?[edit]

I'm wondering if "Radar should be added to this template as one of the Blackout singles. Please see the discussion at Talk:Radar (song). --AmaltheaTalk 19:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it should not be added. It was canceled and is thus not a single. Sure it may have charted on certain charts, but those are due to digital sales and radio stations randomly playing the song (like how time to time DJ's play songs from years ago).

---Shadow (talk) 19:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

"Womanizer"[edit]

As long as there isn't enough material to pass the notability guideline for songs the announcement alone isn't enough to warrant an article about "Womanizer" just yet. Once we have that article, it should also be added to the navigation box, but not before. The purpose of the navigation box is to provide a concise list of links a reader is probably interested in. Per the essay at Wikipedia:NAVBOX, "the goal is not to cram as many related articles as possible into one space" and "navigation templates provide navigation between existing articles".
So unless there is consensus on this talk page to add the information about the song into the navbox anyway I'd stick to that. --AmaltheaTalk 11:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Template talk:Britney Spears[edit]

See Template talk:Britney Spears please for a proposed merge of the templates. --AmaltheaTalk 13:43, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Promotional releases[edit]

I've moved the "Chris Cox Megamix", "I've Just Begun" and "And Then We Kiss" to the promotional releases section. None of them are available as a CD single or any other formal type of release, aside from the PROMO CDs. "That's Where You Take Me" was never a single. Neither Jive nor her official website consider it as such. Kraft. (talk) 05:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Considering the article has been here for years, it has to be a single of some sort. Probably promotional in the Philippines. ---Shadow (talk) 08:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
It is not. There's no source that CONFIRMS it was released. Being here for years means nothing if it's not sourced. There are thousands of singles-related articles that are fake, and this is one of them. Unless you provide a RELIABLE source it cannot be included in the table. The PROMO CD does not even exist, unlike the "Megamix" and "And Then We Kiss". Kraft. (talk) 10:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Then what is your excuse for removing Breathe on Me. There is a cd (and a source), and it had radio play in a few countries, aka, a promo. ---Shadow (talk) 00:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I checked out the link and this is what I got: Label: Not On Label (Britney Spears)/Catalog#: ZNE-003/Format: Vinyl, 12", Unofficial Release. Which denotes that it it most likely a fan-made vinyl. A song getting played on the radio doesn't necessarily mean it was release by the label; when it is, record labels send PROMO CDs to DJs (e.g. "And Then We Kiss"). That said, there's still no source that confirms "That's Where You Take Me" was actually sent to radio stations, a PROMO CD should be somewhere on the net if it was really released. Kraft. (talk) 05:16, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Notable songs[edit]

Songs like Breathe on Me and My Only Wish are being more popular than cc megamix or having my fun. i put them in the promo singles because my only wish is a promo single and breathe on me had a remix cd release but someone keeps deleting them, so i put them into notable songs section! PlatinumFire (talk) 10:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

p.s. Michael jackson has a similar section. PlatinumFire (talk) 11:07, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

And I think That's Where You Take Me isn't a notable song taking the facts that it's only been popular in Philippines. PlatinumFire (talk) 19:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

New Section?[edit]

should we place Unusual You in a new section called "Minor Releases", because its not a promotional release, or just a notable song. its an official release, just in Australia and New Zealand Only.--Apeaboutsims (talk) 02:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

i say yes to that. its a good idea--Jackex56 (talk) 02:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
i think it would organize it a bit better and not be confusing for someone to see it listed as a promo single, and then it not turn out to be one!--Morgan3136 (talk) 02:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I Re-add that section that you propose, cuz it can be listed in any other section Fortunato luigi (talk) 21:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree with PlatinumFire about anticipating in "Minor releases", they werent/arent promo singles, or official singles. Fortunato luigi (talk) 21:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, they are official releases in those regions, and Britney isn't the only artists to have singles like this. They will stay in the normal singles area just like all the other artists. ---Shadow (talk) 01:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Too insignificant to be in the normal singles! Notable song, nothing more. It's just an australian promo single.

Anticipating[edit]

I alwas thought that Anticipating was just a promotional single, and it wasnt an official single. Well now with the announcement of The Singles Collection i can confirm that. Why? well, the press release sayas that the Box Set will contain ALL (specifically says 29) of her singles (not promo singles) and, if u see carefully, Anticipating its not in the photo of The Singles, just like And the we kiss and Chris Cox Mgamix, and thats because those 3 songs were just Promotional singles, rather than official singles, and if you count the singles of the template, there are 30 singles (because Anticipating is in the wrong place of the template). That is way to clear in the case of And then we kiss and Chris Cox Megamix, but it is not clear for all of u in the case of Anticipating. As far as i concern, we now have an "official" way to know which releases were promos and wich releases were official singles. Thanks TSC! So, i wish you could share your thoughts wit me and with all the people here. I say: Lets remove it, and put it into the Promo section!!! Hope you realize that i am telling you the thruth and supporte me. Thanks ;) Fortunato luigi (talk) 01:41, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Note:Is not the same Promotional releases than Promotional CD's, Promo releases section is about promotional "singles" wich are not considered official singles, those that are released just for additional promotion of an album, or for promotion in certain areas, that's why the section is called Promotional RELEASES and not Promotional CD or something like that, to be open to include every promotional "single" release for promotion. ;) Fortunato luigi (talk) 05:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I think we should wait a while longer. The French release could include the song. Remember that the picture britneyspears.com posted was the US (and maybe UK version) version. ---Shadow (talk) 11:58, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
It was not really a promo, but it also wasn't a real single, it was something in between. It probably isn't gonna be on the French release, but we should wait and if it really isn't included then move it to promotional releases. --PlatinumFire 12:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Song, Promo, Single. Those are the only choices. There is no other option. ---Shadow (talk) 13:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I change my mind, if Born to Make You Happy and I Love Rock "N" Roll are on the US edition, and they weren't even released in the US, I'm guessing Anticipating won't be on the French Release. Let's keep it in the promo section. ---Shadow (talk) 05:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
it should be considered a single. just becuase it isnt featured on the singles collection, dosnt mean it was not an offcial release. think about it, they may have meant main relesases. i mean, anitipating was an alterative release, for france. but it wasnt a main release. like how lady gaga released "Paparazzi" at the same time when "Love Game" was released worldwide becuase she thought it would do better. its just an alternate release, but still official.if it hadent had an offcial release, then i would say just a promo. but it was offcially released as a single in france.--61.68.160.228 (talk) 06:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
if anticipating is a promo, so should radar. ok, anticipating, some of you think should be a promo becuase it was released in one contry/region/area etc. however, radar was released worldwide (as a promo single only) and was only offcially released again to the uk. (there are only UK radio releases from circus), however it was also released on italy itunes, but that is it. people think it was re-released in america and other countries, which is wrong, cos no promo's were re-sent ut to the rest of the world, they just used the 2008 promo's. (unless you can find a US version of radar somewhere, but there has been no offcial release for one). so technically, since it was released in a certain country it should remain a promo? it didnt even have an offcial single release. and anticipating did! and apart from amazon (which has been know to post fake info on there site, right now they think there was a an album called The Singles as well as the singles collection. so they have the singles, which is fake, but also have the singles collection too! thats becuase amazon put things up for pre-order becuase there are rumours. radar was removed from the purchased releases, and the radar germen cd was no-where to be found on other sites. and a music video? anticipating was set to have a music video but was cancelled. so to me, radar is exactly the same as anticpatings position.--Apeaboutsims (talk) 07:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
^^agree^^--61.68.160.228 (talk) 07:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
i have to agree with apeaboutsims and that other user. they have better key points rather than "its not on the single collection" or "its only released in france", no offence, it like saying Get Together wasnt put on maddnonas celebration album so its no a single. its a load of "rubbish" that people say that, and so far it also seems that (not saying it is) but "3" could be a promo becuase there was no cd single released planned. (except for germany on amazon, which i bet you wont come out becuase its the 3rd time in the last 3 months that amazon have posted something for spears which didnt turn out to be real.) and the reference to the CD single in Uk is bad, it just says it will be realeased in november. it didnt mention a partcular format or anything. so stop the argumentas. it stays in singles as far as id say.--Jackex56 (talk) 07:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Agre with aboves comments. it should stay in singles, (or in notable songs) but not promo singles. totally different type of singles.--Morgan3136 (talk) 07:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
  • It should be in the notable songs section. Beyonce's RADIO is a netherlands-only single and it is in other songs, instead of being in the main singles. --PlatinumFire 12:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I am going to try and decipher your guys horrid chicken scratch, so bare with me if I don't understand. First of all, there was no promo for Radar here in the US, it was a regular single. You may not be able to find a CD format but that is because the US doesn't really release too many singles on CD's anymore. Also, I Love Rock N Roll, Born To Make You Happy where only released in certain regions, yet they are still on The Singles Collection. ---Shadow (talk) 19:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The whole Anticipationg thing wasnt about its format, i mean if it was a radio release or was a physical release, it was because Jive doesnt count it as a single. How do we know thins? Well the press release about TSC says "all 29 singles" apart from "3", and those singles doesnt include "Anticipating". So it was released like something diferent than a single, it was like a promo single or something like that, but no an official single. Fortunato luigi (talk) 03:07, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

On the singles collection press rlease that was released with 3 [1], it says that antcipating is a minor single, and that it wouldnt be in the box set. it also states that unusaul you and That is where you take me are also minor releases. a new section 'Minor Releases" should be made--Morgan3136 (talk) 08:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't Even Start[edit]

Don't even start up with this 3 nonsense again. 3 is a regular single, hence why it is following the same path as all other regular singles, radio premiere, digital download, music video, etc. ---Shadow (talk) 15:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and the one site that everyone is talking about on the other pages, not trustworthy. Unusual You is not single release anywhere, and they are the only ones who have information about. Britney's site and record label are the ones to go by. ---Shadow (talk) 15:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
^^ well, we use that site for most of our tracklisting's info. if you say that is not a reliable source, then all the tracklistings from Discogs, and UK BritneyTV (who get thier info from Discogs) and any unsourced info (with the catalouge numbers that people retrieve from discogs) will be deleted. If Discogs is un-reliable, your going to have to find an offcial Jive site that list allof their releases and track listings, and if that doesnt work, who else can we get our info from. we have been getting info from discogs since the first single article (which goes to britney UK TV, however, they get thier images and info from discogs), so why can't we trust them now. [2] << thats the submission page for discogs. They check with record labels and sources to make sure every release is real. if they are fake and dont exist, they are rejected by admin. if they exist but werent released from her label, then the get put in a boot leg or Not On Label section. So "That is Where You Take Me", "Unusual You" and that 3 promo with the press release all wernt rejected so they are offcial. plus, you have to have be accepted into the Britney Spears Collectors Group, (owned by discogs) before you can post anything anyway. so, the collectors are the real deal, not some phony "makes thier own release" type people--Morgan3136 (talk) 23:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Unusual You[edit]

Hi, At the time, i thought the re-direct was a good idea as discogs was the only source we could find. I always knew it was real as i own a copy of the CD Single. But now, there are reliable sources confirming the singles release. The Music Charting Industry confirms that the CD Single was released worldwide on 15 September 2009.[3] Also, it states that it was released worldwide, not just in Australia. If you look at "3" on that site, it states the pacific countries where it was released. It tells you where the CD Single was released and the EP was released. However, on the Unusual You CD single, it doesn't give a pacific area, which means it was released worldwide. I think that giving one for the most reliable sources on the net, that Unusual You can be a single on Wikipedia. Is it possible to put it back up? Thank - You--Apeaboutsims (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

-I don't think there should be a promotional singles page. No artist has one, right now. They were used 1 year ago. Taht's why i think I've Just Begun having my fun could go to the Other songs. -Right now it is used: "other singles"; "other songs" -I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY Mmm Papi (or Shatered Glass) has a page. It's not an important song, never performed. It should be replaced by "Breathe on Me", performed in all of Britney's tours since it was released (includin M and M's Tour) and it's one of Spears favourite songs from her catalogue. -Unusual You, IS NOT A SINGLE. IT WAS ONLY RELEASED IN AUSTRALIA. -Anticipating should be put in the "Other singles" because it was not a regular single (don't compare it to Born to Make You Happy or I Love Rock 'n' Roll!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.154.20.156 (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

hey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.238.186.222 (talk) 04:26, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Add "Criminal" to "Other songs"[edit]

list12 = "My Only Wish (This Year)· "Kill the Lights· "Shattered Glass· "Mmm Papi· "Lace and Leather· "Criminal· "Big Fat Bass"

Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 10:36, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Why is "Criminal" deleted?

It fails WP:NSONGS. Xwomanizerx (talk) 17:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Have you ever heard of patience? "Criminal is part of a poll on Facebook. There was link on the page. The page is definitely usefull.

Someday (I Will Understand) is a single from Britney & Kevin: Chaotic!!!![edit]

Why can't this be changed? Someday (I Will Understand) is a cd single. It's part of The Singles Collection so Someday (I Will Understand) is definitely not 'an other single'! It's the leadsingle from Britney & Kevin: Chaotic... so this is my request:

Please add this:

Because Britney & Kevin: Chaotic is not an album. It's a minor release. Xwomanizerx (talk) 16:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC).
It doesn't matter if it is or isn't. It's included on the cd. Please do change!!!!
Yes, it matters. Someday isn't on any album either. Xwomanizerx (talk) 17:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Someday is included on an extended play! And all Britney singles are sorted chronologically. So you're saying Someday really is a single from Britney & Kevin: Chaotic but because it isn't an album release you refuse to change!

Yes, that's why. It has to be an album to have a category. Soundtracks, bonus CDs and other minor releases go under "Other singles". Xwomanizerx (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC).
  • And compilations?!
ANY album should have a category, but Chaotic is a BONUS CD. It was not released separately from the DVD, hence it's not an album. Xwomanizerx (talk) 17:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Someday is included... "The Singles Collection (Britney Spears album)"!

  • Comment - It belongs where it is now. It is another charted song. I agree that B&K Chaotic is not a real audio release, more like a series. Leave as is.--CallMeNathanTalk2Me 04:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
    I disagree that it should be place on other singles. The bonus CD received a digital release apart from the DVD. - Saulo Talk to Me 15:55, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Radar/Unusual You[edit]

I wanted to get to this before I nominated Blackout for good topic (and hopefully before the album is GA), so I'm gonna try to explain the situation as best as I can for the editors that aren't familiar with it. In June 2008, Britney's longtime manager announced that Radar was going to be released as the fourth single from Blackout, and that Britney was going to shoot a music video for it. [4] Needless to say the video never happened, but during the next two months it charted in Ireland, Sweden and New Zealand. [5] [6] [7] Britney started recording for Circus, then she released "Womanizer" and the era began, leaving this Hung Medien source as the only "proof" that a CD single was released in July 2008 (with this cover). Radar was then included on Circus as a bonus track and released officially as the fourth single from that album in July 2009.[8] It got the same treatment as any Circus song: new cover, it charted on several countries, got a music video, performance, etc. This Digital Spy review of the song, also from July 2009 says that the original release "was scrapped when Britney returned to the recording studio sooner than expected." Team Britney never acknowledged the original release, and even the Radar CD single in The Singles Collection boxset included the new cover [9]. I did like they did, and when I was writing the article, I pretended the 2008 release never happened.

A similar thing happened with Unusual You. It didn't chart anywhere, but there are two Hung Medien sources from Australia and New Zealand [10][11]. Again, neither Britney or her team ever acknowledged it, and it wasn't included on The Singles Collection (released two months later). Somehow the Radar situation flew over my head, and there was so much edit warring going on and Australian fans claiming that they had bought the CD single that I settled, expanded the article and nominated it for GA.

I'm asking for consensus to determine if the Hung Medien sources can be considered as reliable enough for single releases. If the consensus is that they are, I'm going to revamp the article, replace it with the original cover and treat the release from Circus as a re-release. If it is that they are not, the only thing left to do is replace the Unusual you infobox from single to song. Xwomanizerx (talk) 02:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Comment The Blackout "Radar" release really did happen, it is a bit of mess the whole release, but the Hung Medien sources are generally accurate, I think maybe the release should be noted as limited, but it definitely does need to be incorporated into the article. But the article artwork should probably be the most notable of the two, I see no point in replacing the cover art, when the most notable release was that of the 2009 Circus release. --FeuDeJoie (talk) 12:46, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
That doesn't make any sense though? Madonna released Holiday three times. The second release was arguably the most notable, but the cover from the first release is used in the infobox. Xwomanizerx (talk) 17:34, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Comment, I wasn't saying do it. But the copyright guidelines generally state that copyrighted artwork should generally be prominent in the article, and seeing as the first release is barely heard of, the second (I think) would add more to the article. As for "Holiday" I don't know, maybe it should have another image, but I don't think going to the trouble of replacing either images, on either article is really worth it. --FeuDeJoie (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
@Womanizer Really? I didn't know that. Shouldn't there be a release section in the article then? Anyways, it's a bit different because "Radar" was released as a single from two albums, with the first release being strictly promotional / cancelled. "Holiday" was released three times from the same album. — Status {talkcontribs  21:53, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Comment In my opinion, Radar (song) should stay as it is. And by this, I agree that the Hung Medien sources are accurate. The info regarding the promotional release of 2008 is very limited, and it's already commented on the article. The re-release with Circus is definetly more notable than the promotional of Blackout. - Sauloviegas (talk) 22:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Zach, Holiday was released twice from her debut album, and another time in 1991 from The Holiday Collection. Saulo, you contradict yourself. Xwomanizerx (talk) 01:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
What I was trying to say is that Hung Medien sources are accurate (Actually, Hung Medien is more accurate than this), and that the promotional release of Radar did happen. BUT it didn't gathered such notability at the time, so I was thinking that you wanted to separate the article in two, first with all info about the promotional and then about the re-release. I don't think it is actually necessary since all the info we need is already on the article, and it doesn't seems like you "pretended the 2008 release never happened". You talked about the video that was going to be filmed in 2008, the charts are both from 2008/2009, and you already said the 2008 release was scrapped. - Sauloviegas (talk) 11:22, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

New Template[edit]

A big change like this really should have been discussed. Just because it was done for Rihanna doesn't mean every artist needs to be this way, especially when the singles template is the template used on hundreds of artists articles. I think this change really needs to be discussed. --Shadow (talk) 07:38, 9 March 2013 (UTC)