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Consensus on Wikipedia on groupings of Christian denominations[edit]

I opened a discussion on groupings in Christianity, of which there currently seems to lack a consensus on Wikipedia. The discussion might be of interest for followers of this talk page. Please see: Talk:Christianity#Denominations [Archived to: Talk:Christianity/Archive_58#Denominations. Peacedance (talk) 15:00, 2 June 2019 (UTC)]. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Tradition: insertion of Saint Joseph (father of Jesus Christ God), St. John the Baptist and Forerunner, St. John the Apostle and Evangelist[edit]

Good evening, as concerned in the title of this topic about the section titled "tradition", near the wikilink of the Blessed Virgin Mary, it may be hopefully linked the article of ]]Saint Joseph]], which was traditionally subject of a type of worship called protoduly to distinguish by the one reserved to his Virgin spouse (known as hiperduly).

Even if John the Baptist wasn't an Apostle, in Luke 7 verse 28 he was defined by Jesus Christ God as the grestest prophet ever born by woman[1] and therefore has to be taken in the same consideration. Lastly, John the Evangelist and the Apostle is the one to whom the Lord entrusted His mother before dying on the cross (in Ecce homo) and as the author of the Letters to Seven Churches and the Apocalypse of John, in the Early Christianity he took a role equivalent ot Saint Peter and Saint Paul.

Despite the "proceedings" of scholars, all the Churches of Christianity that accept the veneration of saints, identify John the Apostle, John the Evangelist, and John the Presbyter with the same unique person. In a sidebar named "tradition", this element has to be valued with the opportune selection of articles. Among them, the article concerning John the Apostle seems to have the main meaning due to fact it relies directly with the entrustment of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, as Orthodox Church does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The addition of Joseph was discussed and rejected a while ago.
John the Baptizer (as Mark prefers to call him) isn't a good addition either.
I don't think that adding one apostle over others is advisable.
I have reverted your additions of these entries until WP:CONSENSUS is reached to add one or more of them in. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:18, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, all of your additions are worthy of being on this template. But there are guardians at these gates, and they will revert your edits. Maybe it's time for another full discussion, as each of your entries do this template justice and add to its relevance and its value to readers. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It would be good to note that the topics are actually discussed and listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Core topics work group/Topic list. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:23, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
This seems as good a place as any to discuss any of these topics, unless an RfC or something is asked for. The "core topics" page and list has been a subject of contention and questioning, and the exclusion of the topics added and then removed being discussed here are probably major points of that contention. Joseph, John the Baptist? These two topics, at least, are certainly well worthy of being on this and the footer template. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have written, "usually" rather than "actually". And not "any" place will do for a discussion like this. For instance, we wouldn't expect the discussion to reach consensus on your talk page, or at ANI, but since the topic is more general than just this sidebar, the location I pointed to would be the best place to discuss it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:30, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Jesus, Mary and...who's that other guy?, I didn't mean that any random page would do as good as any other to talk about the lack of obvious additions to this template. I meant, and maybe I didn't explain it clearly, my apologies, is that this template talk page is about topics on this template. By as "good as any" I meant the page you suggested or on the talk page of the footer template. I number myself as a member of the "Joseph and John the Baptist supporters" (maybe we can do a user category) who would like to see those two articles added to the two templates per notability and common sense. Discussing template topics on that templates talk page is, rather than unusual, the practice of every other template, and every article, that I can remember. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ "1611 King James Bible, Luke 7:28".

Added nontrinitarian groups[edit]

I apologize for not reaching consensus on the talk page beforehand, I went straight to editing from an article and didn't see the warning until after publishing.

I added Iglesia ni Cristo, Christadelphians, La Luz Del Mundo, and The New Church (Swedenborgian) to the nontrinitarian section of Denominations / Groups. If these are unnecessary, feel free to undo my addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ribose carb (talkcontribs) 19:24, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

color/image changes[edit]

Please discuss the color/image changes instead of just flipping it back and forth, per WP:BRD, etc. tahc chat 16:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hiding the cross icon[edit]

Is there a good justification for enabling the cross icon (the one alongside to the portal link) to be replaced with the ichthys, given that there is now a larger cross at the top? My understanding is the intention of hiding the cross icon was to make this sidebar more appropriate for article about those Christian groups which do not use the cross as a symbol. I think the larger cross would present more of an issue than the portal icon. --Hazhk (talk) 14:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

If one checks {{Christianity by country}}, {{Catholic Church sidebar}}, {{Eastern Christianity sidebar}}, {{Eastern Orthodox Church sidebar}} and {{Oriental Orthodox sidebar}} (also {{Bible sidebar}} by some aspects), none of these sidebars contain cross but other image (with one template, {{Catholic Church sidebar}}, containing one cross but within image and not visible by first glance i.e. without clicking on photo to enlarge it). That is just one reason (non-primary) to keep cross image in this template. -- (talk) 04:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC) [e]
I saw it immediately so this could just be your issue. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Cross proportions[edit]

I think that there are better proportions for cross. Example (that's first result from Google search now).
At this photo (seen here too), assuming someone "official" created that cross (because it was inside of church's yard), proportions are as if plus (+) is made with two element widths below (three "points" make upper "line", left line and right line; five "points" make line below).

Also, it should be more thin.

File:Latin Cross.svg or File:Cruz Latina.jpg are better representations for me to use in this template and elsewhere.

-- (talk) 04:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)