Template talk:Christmas

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If anybody wants something to be added or taken away feel free to suggest it here. Remember 14:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I feel like the Folklore section is very strongly POV in favor of a few English-speaking Western countries... jengod 20:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Probably true. If you have any related pages that you think should be added that reflect the folklore of Christmas from other regions please suggest them. I don't really know of any so it is hard for me to suggest them myself. Remember 21:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Folklore vs Media[edit]

I don't think that Frosty the Snowman, the Grinch, Rudolph, and Ebeneezer Scrooge count as Folklore, as they are from specific fictional works with a known author and origin. I would place them under Media, give them a separate section, or remove them from the infobox altogether, as the individual works can be found in the various Media categories. Clement Cherlin 00:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I have removed them altogether since they are easily accessed through the "fiction" link in media. If someone feels they should be linked in this template, they certainly do not belong under folklore. I have also removed links to Lapland and Rovaniemi since they contain very little, if any, content relevant to Christmas. SlackerMom 14:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


What about Joulupukki??--Spiby (talk) 19:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. He was hidden behind the "other characters"-section. Spiby 19:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Template image[edit]

Yes, Christmas tree is much better. VVVladimir (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's a nice photo but I just noticed, after seeing it 100s of times, that only the top two thirds of the tree are lit. Is this a candles thing?PurpleChez (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Christmas Tradition?[edit]

Although the 'NORAD Tracks Santa' is a cute program, I don't think that it has established a position as a Christmas tradition yet. Wkdwzd (talk) 13:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Tough, its staying.--EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Yea! I'd say it's a tradition and I'm glad it's staying. I'm not even a huge "Santa" person but I think it's a great true story, and after half a century I'd be comfortable calling it a traditions.PurpleChez (talk) 16:07, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


I will be adding some more related figures and locations. If you disagree with any, revert them and we'll discuss why here. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Should Literature and Film be included under their own section?[edit]

This seems to be an ongoing debate. We need consenus. Now, I will voice my personal opinion... I honestly see no reason why these shouldn't be included. People have pointed out to me that the template would be to large. Well, yes, but as I've said before, I've seen many other templates that are larger than average, and I've only seen one occasion where people say it is a problem, and that is the Stephen King template. Somebody said "why not add a porn movie?" Come on, seriously? You seriously believe that someone's going to add that? I think that most people here have enough common sense. Voice your reasoning here. -- Special:Contributions/ 16:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

There are more Christmas films then Stephen King books. So yes, it would make the template too large if every Christmas film, book or music would be included. A link to the categories or list pages is enough. Garion96 (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
'Why not...' is rhetorical. Your argument, 'I've seen many other templates...', is unvalid because of the Wiki rule of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS: just because other templates are like that doesn't mean this one should be. My two arguments are these: a) the template already has a link to both List of Christmas films and Category: Christmas fiction b) the works listed were random, that's why I named up a few Christmas-themed films at random too. --Soetermans | drop me a line | what I'd do now? 17:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

From Spain[edit]

I suggest some articles about Christmas in Spain like Spanish Christmas Lottery and Olentzero. --Error (talk) 19:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Annunciation to the Shepherds[edit]

A new article has been created, Annunciation to the Shepherds. Can this be included in the template? StAnselm (talk) 12:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Yule tree[edit]

Rather than the crass, contemptible, commercialized image of the pagan Christmas tree, I know, why don't we show something that's actually Christmasy, like, uh, a nativity scene? Something that's, you know, universal, like Baby frickin' Jesus perhaps, considering we are celebrating His birthday?
It's offensive having the WP Christmas template shoving anti-Christmas propaganda down our throats.
Varlaam (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Would you like to suggest a picture with the right shape? -- Radagast3 (talk) 23:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Prime Red[edit]

I am going to change the colour of the template from the current red "Red" to something that gives less contrast. I find the bright red distracting and the headings difficult to read.

--Boy.pockets (talk) 00:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Font color[edit]

I changed the title and the main section font color to red to make it more of a Christmacy feel. Sorry if it made it look like redlinks. (talk) 18:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Construction technics[edit]

These cantilevered roof sections have in some instances collapsed beneath and fallen upon firefighters working at incidents. Never assume that they are as stable as the rest of the roof appears to be, since we probably will know neither the condition of the fasteners and connections, nor the condition of the structural members, nor the effects of fire in the concealed space upon both the connections and structural members. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:00, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Origins of christmas subheadings[edit]

Shouldn't there be a link to the numerous Pagan traditions that helped to create modern christmas, e.g. Saturnalia --Andrew 12:38, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Rosca de reyes[edit]

Since this is now protected, please add Rosca de reyes to Food and drink section under "Deserts". -- (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Wiki page says it is eaten on a Día de Reyes which is celebrated on Jan 6 - doesn't appear to be on Christmas. Ckruschke (talk) 16:57, 30 December 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke

Zwarte Piet[edit]

Zwarte Piet has nothing to do with Christmas.

He is the companion of Saint Nicholas in the Dutch Sinterklaas tradition. Saint Nicholas himself has little to do with Christmas as he is patron saint of children, the city of Amsterdam and seafarers with his name day on December 6.

However, I can imagine that Saint Nicholas is included as much of the father Christmas tradition (the name Santa Claus) the red and white costume, handing gifts to children are derived from the Dutch Sinterklaas tradition (trhough early Dutch settlers in the US). However, the link to Sinterklaas is already tentative and that to Zwarte Piet is in my view at least one step too far. The associations chain would be Christmas - Santa Claus - Saint Nicholas - Sinterklaas - Zwarte Piet (5 steps). Compared to that many other symbols would be equally closely related (or even more closely). For example Christmas - Birth of Jesus - Death of Jesus - Easter - Easter Bunny makes the same number of associative steps, yet I do not see either easter or the easter bunny here.

In short inclusion of Zwarte Piet is in my view arbitrary and lack argumentation and reliable sources that indeed anyone considers this a mythical Christmas symbol. Arnoutf (talk) 20:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2014[edit]

Santa Claus Bank Robbery (talk) 03:02, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 03:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate call[edit]

ZSJUSA, something in your edits makes every article with this template to display the following error in edit mode: Warning: Template:Christmas (edit) is calling Template:Navbox with more than one value for the "above" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used. (Help) Please fix it or revert your edits. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 01:55, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Children's Day?[edit]

The template includes a link to Children's Day but I'm not sure why. A helpful editor noted that Children's Day is celebrated on 25 December in seven African countries, but it's not obvious whether this is more than coincidence. Addedentry (talk) 14:20, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

It was added here, without explanation, by an editor who is no longer active. The article doesn't explain anything about Christmas, so I would say we could safely remove it, but would like a bit more input from others before doing so. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
In the absence of any further evidence of connections to Children's Day, I've replaced it with Christmas Day. Addedentry (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
But that's a repeat of a link that is already present. I disagree that removing it is the best choice. It likely has some association with Christmas, but @Kcorilol: is no longer active and cannot give us any rationale for the addition. Perhaps you could ask on that article's talk page instead of assuming bad faith in its addition here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Good idea. I've left a query on the Children's Day talk page. Addedentry (talk) 21:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! And by "already present" I mean that Christmas Day redirects to Christmas, and that is linked in the heading of the template. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)