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I'm a bit mystified by the choice of entries. The "core principles" seem to focus on social issues, but have nothing about low taxes or support of businesses versus labor. Why Jerry Falwell and George W. Bush but not Fulton Sheen or Eisenhower? Why include insignificant parties like America First Party (2002) but not the better known America First Party (1944)? What criteria was used to select these entries?   Will Beback  talk  22:19, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Core principles & people were culled from Conservatism in the United States. Parties was copied from [1]. The template by no means a finished product. Why can't we use the eagle? – Lionel (talk) 04:57, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
It seems like a bunch of random links. I'm guessing that the list of parties is supposed to represent active parties, but since the rest of the template includes historical figures I think it'd make more sense to include important past parties and leave off the current insignificant ones. But I can't see any logic to the list of principles or people.
I don't see what informative purpose a blurry cartoon of an eagle's head serves. I don't think any particular image is associated with conservatism, so let's just avoid complicating things.   Will Beback  talk  05:57, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Also, the Timeline of conservatism does not seem to be focused on conservatism in the US. If anyone ever does a special US version then that'd be relevant, but I suggest removing the international timeline.   Will Beback  talk  07:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
So again, why do we have these particular people on the list? The implication is that these are the most important figures in the history of conservatism in the United States. Are all Republican presidents major figures? OTOH, Democrat Woodrow Wilson may have been more conservative in some respects than Republican Richard Nixon. Has Irving Babbitt had more influence than Rush Limbaugh? I think this list needs careful consideration. I'd be inclined to stub it down to something much shorter pending a sensible list. The alternative is to delete it.   Will Beback  talk  00:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Reasoning behind selection of individuals, quotes taken from Conservatism in US article:

  • Daniel Webster: "Giants Of American Conservatism"
  • Calvin Coolidge: "high tide of American conservatism"
  • Irving Babbitt: "conservative writing of the period includes Democracy and Leadership"
  • Dwight Eisenhower: ?
  • Russell Kirk: 2 sections in article
  • Barry Goldwater: "conservatives united behind the unsuccessful 1964 presidential campaign "
  • Irving Kristol: "major founders of the movement"
  • Jerry Falwell: "preached traditional moral and religious social values"
  • Ronald Reagan: "solidified conservative Republican strength ..."
  • George W. Bush: "brought a new generation of conservative activists to power in Washington"

Lionel (talk) 05:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

The issue isn't whether these people have some connection to conservatism. The issue is there are perhaps hundreds of people who have as much of a claim to importance as the listed ones. Are you really prepared to say that Jerry Falwell is one of the 12 most important figures in the history of American Conservatism?   Will Beback  talk  06:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
It might be easier to put together a solid template if we refocused on 'modern conservatism'- recent events, from the time of Coolidge on perhaps. The minor local parties should really all go. As linking to the 'Prohibition Party' article- the early 20th century party the bulk of that article refers to was hardly 'conservative'. Nevard (talk) 11:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Consistent with that, I'll remove Daniel Webster. I'll also add the Republican presidents since Coolidge. Then we should consider which parties and principles to add.   Will Beback  talk  01:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Elephant symbol[edit]

I have to question the use of the elephant symbol in this template. It's a partisan symbol the Republican Party, which of course tends to be the more conservative major party, especially recently, but conservatism is not the same as being a Republican. There are conservative Democrats, there are liberal Republicans, and there are conservative independents and members of third parties. Many conservatives have serious disagreements with the GOP. This template links to 4 other political parties besides the Republicans.

If an image is necessary in the template, a assemblage of American conservative intellectuals such as Russell Kirk and William F. Buckley Jr. would be better. —D Monack (talk) 01:49, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. The elephant has never been a general symbol of conservatism. It is specifically a symbol of the Republican Party, which does not embody all conservativism in the US. I've removed it from the template. Kaldari (talk) 17:54, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Trump is not a conservative[edit]

Donald Trump is not considered a conservative by many mainstream pundits both whom are conservative and those who are not. He may need to be removed. (talk) 19:27, 15 May 2017 (UTC)