Template talk:Covert United States involvement in regime change
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Russian civil war
The allied involvement in the Russian civil war is complex. There was a covert phase followed by a overt "boots on the ground" phase. It's muddier than most cases, but there absolutely were covert attempts to favor the White movement over the Reds.
To paraphrase and cite the research another wikipedian already did on this question:
- The United States began covert operations in support of the Russian opposition factions. (Humanities and Social Sciences On-Line, Review of book by David S. Foglesong, America's Secret War Against Bolshevism: U.S. Intervention in the Russian Civil War, 1917-1920, David S. Foglesong, America's Secret War Against Bolshevism: U.S. Intervention in the Russian Civil War 1917-1920, Chapter 5, "American Intelligence Gathering, Propaganda and Covert Action in Revolutionary Russia")
Should we just include 1918 Russia in with covert, or would it be better to group all "boots on ground" style interventions together as their own template? --HectorMoffet (talk) 08:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Wavehunter, Thank you for your note. In Postwar: A History of Europe Since 1945, Tony Judt said that US government and CIA took active role in the relative happenings of Italy, Greece and gave the Solidarity of Poland about 50 million US dollars. During my reading of this book, I somewhat got the impression of these but forgot the precise pages. So I'm still refinding the references. The Cambodian coup d'etat is related with Cambodian Civil War in which the US supported General Lon Nol to overthrow Sihanouk so as to have a better position to bomb Vietcong's sourthward attacks through secret routes in Cambodia. I think this is qutie obvious. But if the evidence is extremely lacking, just delete it.
Further, I even hear about a conspiracy theory that the CIA Chief of the Soviet/East European Division Milton Bearden launched a covert operation codenamed Genius of the Carpathians to overthow Ceausescu regime in 1989. But this is truly a conspiracy theory waiting for evidence to surface.--Aronlee90 (talk) 13:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
- That's great, Aronlee90. Thank you for giving a book source. Tony Judt was a reputable historian. --Wavehunter (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
While the US/NATO intervention in Libya was certainly an attempt at regime change can it fairly be called 'covert'? I mean covert implies at least an attempt at maintaining plausible deniability, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
I have deleted Libya from the list as there is tons of obvious evidence of US active involvement and obviousness. here's a video they published showing the USS Barry (DDG-52) firing the first Tomahawk missiles in the intervention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztTyfl1-NXI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emigdioofmiami (talk • contribs) 02:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Why is this template on the side and not at the bottom? The sidebar takes too big a role on articles like 1980 Turkish coup d'état, as if the coup d'état is mostly defined by US support, ignoring the domestic reasons. --Pudeo' 16:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Why does the US have a sidebar but not anybody else? Russia literally just regime changed Crimea, why no sidebar for them and their history. Gotta be fair wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:10, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Crimea was not 'regime changed' -> Its parliament voted to secede. The parliament was unchanged from the Ukrainian coup after maidan until the secession vote, so one cannot talk about a regime change. What US did in Ukraine, however, what Stratfor called 'the most blatant coup in history', was a regime change action. And it wasn't covert either. --unity100'
Argentinean Coup d'Etat
The article says that it was plotted by Argentines, and that the U.S. was merely alerted to the plot. It mentions no physical support from the U.S. I don't think it should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:40, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Practically nothing of the original article remains.
And what remains is merely links as compared to excellent summaries of CIA involvement in the listed regime overthrow operations.
The Poland affair is not even linked.
This deletion and redirection, and glaring lack of consistency and omission of information looks more like the deletion was done to remove the information from sight than any reasonable move.