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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
April 20 1
April 22 1
April 24 1
April 26 1
May 1 1
May 4 1
May 5 2
May 19 1
May 20 1
May 21 1
May 24 1 1
June 1 1
June 2 1
June 3 1
June 4 2
June 5 1
June 7 2
June 8 2
June 9 1
June 10 1
June 15 1
June 16 1
June 17 1
June 18 2 1
June 20 1
June 21 2 1
June 23 3
June 24 1
June 25 1 1
June 27 3 2
June 28 1 1
June 29 2
June 30 1
July 1 2
July 3 4 1
July 4 4 3
July 5 1 1
July 6 1 1
July 7 1 1
July 8 4 2
July 9 1
July 10 1 1
July 11 3 1
July 12 1
July 15 1 1
July 17 7 4
July 18 2 1
July 19 4 3
July 20 5 2
July 21 5 3
July 22 6 4
July 23 6 5
July 24 8 2
July 25 6 5
July 26 7 4
July 27 10 5
July 28 12 8
July 29 7 4
July 30 8 5
July 31 5 2
August 1 5 4
August 2 7 4
August 3 13 5
August 4 7 2
August 5 6 3
August 6 10 4
August 7 8 2
August 8 7 3
August 9 10 3
August 10 10 3
August 11 6 4
August 12 8
August 13 12 3
August 14 7 2
August 15 8 2
August 16 6 1
August 17 7 3
August 18 1
Total 304 124
Last updated 10:37, 18 August 2019 UTC
Current time is 11:15, 18 August 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on April 20[edit]

LGBT history in Poland

  • ... that despite its long history, Polish LGBT people started organizing only in the 80s?

Created by KamillaŚ (talk). Self-nominated at 20:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I would love to get this through, but the article is lacking citations for a lot of text, and needs a copyedit. I'll wait for a response and see if there are significant updates. Kingsif (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
    • @Kingsif: I added the citations in place of all "citation neededs" and clarified few parts. but I would love to see someone help me with writing style, copyedit etc, as its not my strongest side in english. KamillaŚ (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I made some corrections and added something. And maybe we should consider a more eye-catching DYK question - e.g. ... that throughout its history homosexuality has never been criminalized by the Polish law? (However, we would have to make sure whether it's really true.). BasileusAutokratorPL (talk) 13:22, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg It looks mostly OK, but there are some serious concerns in the article. Firstly, it seems to contradict itself in the lead by saying that there have never been any Polish laws that persecute LGBT people, and then also says homosexuality was decriminalized in 1932 so this requires some clarification. Secondly, there are some POV issues. The statement in the lead that "Homophobia has been a common public attitude in Poland, thanks to the influence of Catholic Church in Polish public life, and the widespread conservatism of Polish society." is a clear POV indictment of the Catholic Church and perpetuates the misconception that the Church's opposition to homosexuality is based in homophobia (I am not saying there are no homophobic Catholics, but it is factually false to claim this is the reason the Catholic Church as an institution has historically opposed LGBT rights). Similarly, in the Second Polish Republic section, the article attributes the Catholic cultural taboo on homosexuality to ignorance. I do not see how that cannot be construed as a POV violation. (Keep in mind WP:OUTRAGE: Even perspectives you find morally offensive must be accurately portrayed). As another point, it should be mentioned in the main text that there is significant controversy over the sexual/asexual nature of adelphopoiesis, relegating that mention to a footnote makes this paragraph, in its context, seem to imply that these relationships were definitively sexual. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 21:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ashorocetus, KamillaŚ, Kingsif, and BasileusAutokratorPL: Seeing as it is a DYK and not a GA, I think it would be sufficient to fix the lead. The POV and bias and such of claims in the main body can be discussed on the article's talk. Through the fact that the nominator has not joined this discussion in two months suggests this may soon be failed due to this, unless someone else wants to take a stab at the lead, at least? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Comment: if there are POV issues and bias in the body of the article, then just fixing the lead won't fly: the entire article needs to be free of these issues per DYK rules. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Comment. I left a note on the creators/nomintators page about input needed here. They have been active since on en wiki but chose to ignore it (or didn't see it). Not much we can do outside yet another ping (User:KamillaŚ). If they don't reply in a week or so this probably should be closed, as nobody seems to be interested in addressing issues raised in the review. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Comment: @Piotrus: sorry for not replying earlier, but i can work on making the article npov and address your concerns soon! KamillaŚ (talk) 14:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Great to hear back from you, looking fwd to rescuing this! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
  • KamillaŚ, Piotrus, it has been nearly a month since KamillaŚ replied above, and I see no subsequent edits to the article to address the POV issues. This is now the oldest outstanding DYK. Allowing seven more days for action to be taken; if significant progress is not made in that time, or we don't hear from the nominator that it will occur very soon, the nomination will be marked for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I can only concur. If someone is too busy to edit Wikipedia, they can't very well expect to see their content on the front page :( Shame, it's an interesting topic, but there's not much we can do. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 21:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg There has been no response on the issues in over a week since the most recent posts. Marking for closure as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:34, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 22[edit]

Matthew H. Todd, Alice Motion

Professor Matt Todd
Professor Matt Todd
  • Comment: (1) I've offered ALTs to try for an informative and clear under-200 character wording. I think it is desirable to name the school involved, and also Turing if possible. Alternatives welcome.
    (2) Pkin8541 is new to DYK and fairly new to WP.
    (3) Todd article written in Draft space and moved to article space by Hughesdarren on 22 April 2019 – added to DYK nomination page for 22 April
    (4) Motion article written in Draft space and moved to article space by Pkin8541 on 24 April 2019
    (5) I (EdChem) will need to provide two QPQ reviews.

Created/expanded by Pkin8541 (talk). Nominated by EdChem (talk) at 02:11, 26 April 2019 (UTC).

I think it's important to quickly mention that it was price-hiked - some drugs are more expensive because there's a smaller number of people needing it, for example.

Pkin8541 (talk) 02:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Axem Titanium (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

QPQ: Red XN - Not yet? @EdChem:
Overall: Symbol question.svg Articles look good. I've suggested ALT6 below. Thoughts? @Pkin8541: Axem Titanium (talk) 23:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Axem Titanium: I like it with a minor change to "synthesised it for less than 0.1%" Pkin8541 (talk) 00:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok with me for ALT7. Axem Titanium (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@EdChem: everything else besides the QPQ are good to go. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:43, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Seems that EdChem has taken a wikibreak of sorts, but it seems a shame not to promote this one, especially considering that the primary author of both articles, Pkin8541, is a DYK newbie (EdChem only assisted with the nomination itself). I'm inclined to IAR and waive the QPQ requirements. Symbol confirmed.svg Axem Titanium (talk) 18:57, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Terribly sorry, Axem Titanium, but I can't recall the last time a QPQ was waived, especially for two articles. We specifically closed the loophole a few years back and made nominators responsible for supplying QPQs, and given how many nominations are crying out for a review (probably 100+), I would be opposed to allowing an exception here. If someone would like to donate two QPQs to the cause in EdChem's absence, that's fine. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. If @Pkin8541: would like to help review a DYK for the QPQ, that would work too. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg It's not clear why you're trying to tell the whole story in the hook rather than dangling a line (or "hook") to get readers to click on the article. All these hooks are also pushing 200 characters and are not easy to parse. Yoninah (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm willing to donate some of my unused QPQs for this nomination. With that said, has it been considered that, if it will be difficult to have an acceptable hook with both articles, what could instead be done is to write two separate hooks for each of the DYK subjects? Another option, if possible, could be to simply drop the pharmaceutical angle and go in a new direction. @EdChem, Pkin8541, Axem Titanium, BlueMoonset, and Yoninah:. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • My apologies to all involved, I have been swamped in the real world and horrified by the WMF and the Fram thing and so not logging in and just watching as an IP when I've had time. Were these my articles / expansions, I would see the nominations being failed for lack of QPQ as fair, but as has been noted, I nominated them to recognise the work of Pkin8541, a new editor. I am comfortable with Narutolovehinata5 donating QPQs and replacing me as nominator, and I agree with BlueMoonset that waiving QPQs as Pkin8541 is a new editor is not justified because I am not a new editor and am well aware of the DYK rules (though I appreciate Axem Titanium's suggestion and concur with its intent). An alternative of treating the nomination as a self-nom and using 2 of Pkin8541's QPQ-free DYKs (by removing my nominator credits) is also a solution I would accept. I did do some minor editing of the articles / references for the DYK nomination but the main page appearance giving me no credits is fine – the WMF already has me doubting whether to continue as a Wikipedian, sadly. Having said that, I could do the QPQs within a few days... but I don't feel entitled to any more latitude than has already been given and will understand and accept a promotion to queues that sees me go uncredited.
  • On the hook, I think the later ALTs should refer to "the Sydney Grammar students who synthesised it" rather than "the Sydney Grammar students that synthesised it." My original wording had "the group ... that", and possibly should have been "the group ... who", but I certainly think that "the students ... who" is far preferable to "the students ... that". ALT7 should also say "less than 0.1%" rather than "less 0.1%", in order to make sense. On hook length, I agree with Yoninah on length and complexity and struggled for a "hooky" hook that was shorter but still meaningful. Suggestions welcome. In the meantime:
  • ALT7a: ... that after pyrimethamine was price hiked by 5000%, Matthew H. Todd (pictured) and Alice Motion supported the Sydney Grammar students who synthesised it for under 0.1% of its retail cost?
  • ALT8: ... that after pyrimethamine was price hiked by 5000%, Matthew H. Todd (pictured) and Alice Motion supported the Sydney Grammar students who synthesised it cheaply?
  • ALT8a: ... that after pyrimethamine was price hiked by 5000%, Matthew H. Todd (pictured) and Alice Motion supported the Sydney Grammar students who showed it could be synthesised cheaply?
Regards, EdChem (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALTs 7a, 8, and 8a look better, thanks, EdChem. But I think you need to identify who these bolded people are, preceding the names with "British chemists". Yoninah (talk) 10:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, Todd is British but was working at the University of Sydney at the time, as was Motion, who is Australian... I did wonder about adding "chemists" or "chemistry academics", or perhaps "Sydney University chemists", as in:
I also wonder if the surprise that the synthesis was done by high school students is unclear for those who don't know that Sydney Grammar is a high school (albeit an elite academically selective one), and have wondered about something like:
EdChem (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you, EdChem, ALT8c is a great hook! We just need the 2 QPQs and will be ready to go. Yoninah (talk) 15:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
I could donate, but only if EdChem says they will be unable to do so. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  • That QPQ is far enough advanced to count (the initial review needs to be complete; no need to wait for all issues to be settled). Only one more remaining, EdChem; thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I would like to suggest as a best practice, that if multiple people are presented as equal partners in a DYK hook, that an accompanying photo should show all of them. This is not an objection to passing this DYK, and I think it is unlikely to become an issue on the main page since only one photo is included in each set of DYKs, but I found it very irritating to see that only one of the two academics mentioned was pictured (and yes, the one omitted was the woman.) Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • In this case, I agree with Mary Mark Ockerbloom. Because both people are bold-linked but only one is shown, I was planning to promote it to a non-image slot. In other cases, where the image shows the only bold-linked subject in the hook, I don't think it would be a problem to run it with an image. Yoninah (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This has taken far too long, and is now the second oldest DYK; I am donating my review of Template:Did you know nominations/Kang Daniel as the second QPQ. Pinging Yoninah, who was planning on doing the requisite promotion, but we may need someone else to do the final tick. Thanks to anyone who can get this through the final steps. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 24[edit]

Bladimir Lugo

  • Comment: New article created on 26 April. This person is controversial during the Crisis in Venezuela.

Created by Cyfraw (talk) and Jamez42 (talk). Nominated by Cyfraw (talk) at 07:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC).

  • Hi Cyfraw - The date seems a little redundant. Expanded within time. Plenty of prose and no copyvio that I could find. Hooks seem a little questionable to me - "attacked?" It seems more like they have stormed the building. I don't know. It's a little confusing; might just need a reword. ALT1 is better, if you remove the date, and put in "promoted" for "awarded". Sources are fine though Symbol possible vote.svg Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 07:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
pinging @Cyfraw and Jamez42: in case you want to respond and get this out for the June 29 anniversary? Kingsif (talk) 13:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
It's better to display this DYK on June 29. Just correct the blurb correctly. --cyrfaw (talk) 21:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
So, like? @Lee Vilenski and Cyfraw:
Kingsif (talk) 21:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Better, but should say "only moments after leading a "siege"" --cyrfaw (talk) 21:22, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I'm a lot happier with that. I'd pass, but just check with Cyfraw before I give the tick. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 21:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I'm ready with the DYK blurb. --cyrfaw (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 06:23, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I was wondering if you read the article, @Lee Vilenski:? The grammar doesn't make sense, and I tagged several words that aren't English. In this run-on paragraph under Controversy, where does this sentence begin and end:
  • On 29 December 2016, he allegedly assaulted NTN24 journalist Rafael Hernández, hitting to his work team and banning him from entering the country's vice-presidency, when he pushed and tripped Antonieta Mendoza, mother of Leopoldo López, and again on 28 June he pushed the president of the National Assembly Julio Borges.
  • Or this run-on sentence, which seems to blame journalists for attacking journalists:
  • Tinedo Guía, the president of the National Association of Journalists (CNP), rejected the continuous aggressions against him of journalists, cameramen, and photographers who cover the Federal Legislative Palace on a daily basis given by GNB officials commanded by Lugo for what declared him persona non grata, urging the rest of the CNP section of the country to comply with this statement, calling on the competent institutions to investigate and reject irregular facts.
  • In the third paragraph under "Controversy", it's not explained why this is a controversy. Similarly, the fourth paragraph seems more like a grudge by the media than a "controversy". Wikipedia is not a court of law. The section "2017 Venezuelan National Assembly attack", starting with calling it an "attack" and the language used throughout the section, like saying journalists were "held captive", is very POV. Also, shouldn't "allegedly" be added somewhere if he wasn't convicted in a court of law? No explanation is given for why two days after the siege Lugo was suddenly promoted.
  • Finally, it's not clear why he's being called Bladimir instead of Vladimir. Yoninah (talk) 10:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I was the creator of the article. First of all I will take a look at some of the grammar errors. Second, his name should be "Bladimir" instead of "Vladimir" since most Venezuelan news outlets mention "Bladimir". Also @Lee Vilenski: can help me fix these problems. --cyrfaw (talk) 10:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

pinging @Kingsif and Jamez42: as well --cyrfaw (talk) 10:29, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. I notice at WT:DYK#Bladimir Lugo the comment by Cwmhiraeth that since this is a BLP, the presentation must be handled very neutrally. Yoninah (talk) 10:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm similarly confused about the question "it's not clear why he's being called Bladimir instead of Vladimir" — because his name is Bladimir. Venezuela is full of bastardizations and hispanifications of Russian names, and 'v' is pronounced 'b' in Spanish, which may be why his parents gave him this name. A name's a name, odd that you would question it. I can help with the clean-up if needed. Kingsif (talk) 10:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that in several references his name is spelled Vladimir, so I asked. Yoninah (talk) 10:37, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Ah, I haven't exactly been through the sources - but state TV (because Youtube) uses Bladimir, and they'll have his ID card. Kingsif (talk) 10:39, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Even if you look at the sanctions list by Panama, Canada and the US, his name is mentioned in full and as "Bladimir" not "Vladimir". --cyrfaw (talk) 10:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Like this, Bladimir Humberto Lugo Armas --cyrfaw (talk) 10:43, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
The name seems plenty well sourced enough for me. Sources using Vladimir could easily be errant spelling corrections. I'll take a look at the article, but I don't think it's that bad. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
"Vladimir" is way more common in Spanish, like defense ministry Vladimir Padrino López. I had a similar confusion in the Spanish article, but I think I checked his legal name as well as the prevalence of the use. Bladimir is most certainly his name. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:38, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I notice that some editing has been done on the article. You may want to apply at WP:GOCE for a copyeditor who is familiar with English grammar. Yoninah (talk) 20:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Ok, but where running out of time to meet the article deadline for DYK. We have less than 12h away. --cyrfaw (talk) 16:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Otherwise, delay the DYK posting for a few days until the article is fixed. Once it is fixed, this DYK can be posted ASAP when ready. I already requested for copy-writing here. Is that OK? --cyrfaw (talk) 22:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Sure, that's fine. Yoninah (talk) 18:19, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: @Lee Vilenski: It's been two weeks that I referred this article to the GOCE for copy edit. However, my request still remains unanswered. Any solutions to this, because where running out of time to promote this as DYK. The two year anniversary has already passed away on 29 June. What solutions are available for putting this into Main Page? --cyrfaw (talk) 08:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Should we wait for it to be posted on the Main Page after copy editing is done? I already made a lot of efforts to improve the page. --cyrfaw (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
It often takes time to complete the GOCE review. From the point of view of DYK, we're in no hurry. This nomination will stay on the nomination page as long as necessary. Please let me know when the GOCE is done. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:17, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: @Lee Vilenski: The copy edit process is now complete, as one user notified me through my talk pages. What are your thoughts for this? Is it ready for DYK or additional things are needed before proceeding? -cyrfaw (talk) 12:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Green check.svg First DYK article so no QPQ required
Green check.svg Article created by Cyfraw on April 25, 2019 with 6742 characters (1047 words) "readable prose size"
Green check.svg NPOV
Green check.svg ALT2 Hook is interesting, short enough and sourced with Refs 12 and 13
Green check.svg Hook is sourced to:
  • Ref 12 "Deputies and journalists in the AN remained "kidnapped" for more than four hours after government siege"
  • Ref 13 "The President of the Republic, Nicolás Maduro, decorated the night of Thursday, June 29, Colonel Bladimir Humberto Lugo Armas ... 480 soldiers of the National Armed Forces (FANB) that make up the Presidential Honor Guard received the promotion to the immediate superior degree."
Green check.svg Every paragraph sourced
Green check.svg Earwig @ Toolserver Copyvio Detector found no copyvio
Symbol confirmed.svg GTG -- Thats Just Great (talk) 20:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I came by to finally promote this, but ALT2 is 251 characters long which is 51 more than the maximum amount allowed. SL93 (talk) 22:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I think ALT3 is 200 characters and ALT4 without the time frame is 185-- Thats Just Great (talk) 04:49, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Striking ALT3 for excessive length. ALT1 says he was "awarded" moments later, while ALT4 says he was "promoted" moments later. Please clarify. Actually, I would suggest deleting all the name-dropping and just stating the hook fact in brief. Let people click on your article to learn more. Yoninah (talk) 19:14, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT5:... that Colonel Bladimir Lugo was promoted two years ago, only moments after leading a siege against the Venezuelan National Assembly president?
  • Ref 12 "Deputies and journalists in the AN remained "kidnapped" for more than four hours after government siege"
  • Ref 13 "The President of the Republic, Nicolás Maduro, decorated the night of Thursday, June 29, Colonel Bladimir Humberto Lugo Armas ... 480 soldiers of the National Armed Forces (FANB) that make up the Presidential Honor Guard received the promotion to the immediate superior degree."
  • Thanks, Thats Just Great. I think it could be tweaked a little to get rid of the two time references:
  • ALT5a: ... that Bladimir Lugo, colonel of the Bolivarian National Guard, was promoted moments after leading a siege against the president of the Venezuelan National Assembly?
  • But is this even hooky? We have to be careful of BLP issues, but is this the hookiest thing that can be said? My previous experience with this DYK nomination makes me think that the nominators have a POV issue to advance. Yoninah (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • That's quite a strong claim, I wouldn't like to think so; I also hope you appreciate my growing experience at DYK in reading the Alt proposals as just trying to make it more hooky. If you don't think it is, a read of the article brings me to other suggestions - though they are also rather 'negative' (if that is a BLP issue then perhaps the article should go, since it's largely a rap sheet of all the important things Lugo's done that he seems to have done wrong):
  • ALT6: ... that less than a month after being awarded a Venezuelan military Cross, the same nation's Public Ministry summoned Bladimir Lugo for multiple attack accusations?
  • ALT7: ... that Venezuelan general Bladimir Lugo is sanctioned by two nations for unconstitutional actions in his home country, and in another for the distinct charges of money laundering?
Kingsif (talk) 23:10, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Those hooks are a little rough. Copyedited versions below Thats Just Great (talk) 15:22, 21 July 2019 (UTC):
  • ALT8: ... that less than a month after being awarded a Venezuelan military Cross, Venezuela's Public Ministry summoned Bladimir Lugo over accusations of multiple attacks?
  • ALT9: ... that Venezuelan general Bladimir Lugo is sanctioned by two nations for actions in Venezuela, and in another for money laundering charges?
  • Striking the BLP violations. ALT8 is okay. I'd like to look at this carefully a little later. Yoninah (talk) 16:38, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • OK, I've read the whole article. I'm sorry, I don't find the page neutral at all. You have 3 sentences about his career and 2 sentences about his promotion and awards, and the rest is paragraph after paragraph explaining why he's a no-goodnik. The page reads like a charge sheet. The first paragraph under "Incidents and controversies", and other attacks credited to him, doesn't even use the word "allegedly". There are no balancing statements from authorities or anyone else defending him or explaining why what he did could be construed differently.
  • I understand this was edited by the GOCE, but what is a sentence like this doing here?
  • Tinedo Guía, the president of the National Association of Journalists (CNP), rejected the continuous aggressions against him from journalists, cameramen, and photographers who covered the Federal Legislative Palace on a daily basis carried out by National Guardsmen commanded by Lugo, reason why he declared him persona non grata and urged the rest of the CNP sections of the country to comply with this statement and called on the competent institutions to investigate and reject incorrect facts. Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── I'll say I haven't fully read the page in a while and will look it over, but remember that NPOV is based on presentation and tone, not the content. Some people do more bad things than good, at least that shows up in media. We're not going to shorten the genocide section on Hitler's article to make it only as long as the art school mention, so the length counts you cite are effectively meaningless. As said, though, I'll see what I can do to make it neutral if you really think it isn't. Kingsif (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I just made this edit, which addressed the parts I found concerning. I've also added more subheadings that indicate where the 'negative' is that people are calling controversy over orders he did or didn't give (i.e. make it clear that not all allegations are violence); plus a short intro to the section on incidents that is simple but hopefully outlines there is politics involved with accusations and why some of the non-violent actions may be described in quotes so strongly. The strong language in WP voice was removed or rephrased, and where there has been no charge or there is no tangible evidence for orders/violence (most of the violence does have recordings attached in sources), "allegedly" or some version that reads well has been added. Some irrelevant parts have been wholesale removed, as they were artificially lengthening the controversy section. Kingsif (talk) 21:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 26[edit]

Tomb of Imam Zamin

Tomb of Imam Zamin
Tomb of Imam Zamin

Created by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 11:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC).

  • I've removed the particular phrase, used in the hook per WP:WEASEL. Need a new hook. WBGconverse 09:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric:
  • ALT1:... that the Tomb of Imam Zamin is the last addition to the Qutb Minar complex? RRD (talk) 12:20, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
    ☑Y Hook looks good (I can't think of anything more interesting) though I am thinking of some way to punch the above fact with its being constructed after about a century of others. Article okay from all aspects. WBGconverse 12:46, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed; too little detail from previous one and no DYK icon given. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the ALT1 hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, it is not the last addition to the complex. Other structures have been built, although they may not be part of the UNESCO site nomination. Abductive (reasoning) 04:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: The information in the hook is correct as it is sourced from a book published by the archaeological survey of India. Probably @Abductive: have a confusion about Mehrauli Archaeological Park being a part of the Qutb complex which is not. RRD (talk) 09:27, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
A book on the archeology will of course omit things like Metcalfe's Folly which was built on the Qutb complex in the 1800s. But no, the hook is not correct. Abductive (reasoning) 16:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Due to concerns about ALT1, it has been struck. I've taken another look at the article but it appears that there's nothing else that could be used as a hook (other than that it's part of a complex that's a World Heritage Site). I'll give this some thought over the next few days, but I may mark this for closure if nothing else can be done here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Unfortunately, there does not appear to be any information remaining in the article that could be used as a hook. Since the remaining options have been rejected for various reasons, the nomination is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svgI object to Narutolovehinata5's views on "interesting". They seem to have a limited view of Indian articles, as evidenced through their various comments on Indian DYKs. Nothing seems to satisfy their interesting-ness criteria. I will have a look into this article and propose some hook. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 12:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Please note that I have the same standards for other countries too. It doesn't matter if the hook subject is from India, Brazil, Japan, or Senegal, if the "interesting to a broad audience" criterion isn't met, then something else needs to be proposed if possible. Remember that Wikipedia is an international site, and as much as possible, hooks need to be something that can be understood even by people and cultures who are not familiar with the subject. And just because the article subject is Indian doesn't mean it can't be interesting, and in fact there have been plenty of good hooks or hook proposals that have come from that country: for example, Template:Did you know nominations/Manilal Dwivedi. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Was having an off-Wiki discussion with Izno about this nomination, and he suggested something quirky like:

This plays to the fact that Zamin was born Muhammad Ali. I have some reservations about it since it might be misleading (since people would think it's referring to the boxer), but would be open to it if say it was for April Fool's Day. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:59, 25 July 2019 (UTC)'

@Dharmadhyaksha and Narutolovehinata5: Completely object to ALT2. Firstly, the person is commonly known as Imam Zamin and not Muhammad Ali. Secondly, hook is not interesting as by the same yardstick, one can write "Humayun is buried at Humayun's tomb", "Akbar is buried at Akbar's tomb". RRD (talk) 14:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg As there are no longer any suitable hook options and the last remaining option was rejected by the nominator, this is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg@Dharmadhyaksha, Narutolovehinata5, and Royroydeb:   Whoaaa!  I have to agree with 'Dharmadhyaksha'. – More over, the whole idea of "interesting to a broad audience" has been belabored to the point of self defeat in this case. No one subject appeals to all people in the first place, and expecting that a hook should also appeal to multiple cultures on top of it all is rather ridiculous. I object to the idea of closing the nomination, until a suitable hook, that appeals to a reasonably broad audience, can be found. I saw no 'weasel' phraseology in the original hook, which, btw, is very interesting. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:09, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
More possible hooks: §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
@Gwillhickers: The issue with the original hook was that the hook fact (that it has no relation to the rest of the complex) does not appear in the body; indeed, as pointed out in one of the comments above, even the fact of it being the last addition to the complex has been disputed. Of the two new hooks proposed, ALT3 sounds good to me. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Please wait; I will leave a comment. WBGconverse 13:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • In the meantime, I've made copyedits to both ALT3 and ALT4; while ALT4 is an okay hook, it was very commonplace in the past for tombs to be completed even before the deaths of their intended occupants (the most famous examples being the pyramids of Egypt), so ALT3 probably remains the best option. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Looks good. ALT4 seems the most interesting, even intriguing. i.e. Imam Zamin making his own tomb a year before his death. Did he know he was going to die? In any case ALT4 really invites one to make further inquiry. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 01:32, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
As I mentioned earlier in the discussion, it was not uncommon for tombs to be constructed before the death of the intended occupant and in fact was fairly common in some cultures, such as Ancient Egypt. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:20, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 1[edit]

Louisville Sinking Fund Building

  • Comment: Saturday May 4 is the Kentucky Derby in Louisville KY, which usually gets an in the news spot that day. May be of related interest to this article.

Created by Charles Edward (talk). Self-nominated at 15:47, 3 May 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Charles Edward: (AGF good pending QPQ) The article is new enough and long enough at 1770 characters, and I'm AGF on the hook source as it is offline. One suggestion is that all but two sentences start with the word "the", and more variety in beginning sentences would improve the way it reads; I've made some changes as well to this end. You also need a QPQ to continue. Raymie (tc) 03:55, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
@Raymie: The nominator hasn't edited since the beginning of the month. He has also been unable to provide a QPQ. If the QPQ is the last remaining issue, would it be alright with you if I donate a QPQ in his stead? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:08, 24 June 2019 (UTC) Actually, according to the QPQ tool, the nominator has no prior DYK credits, so no QPQ was needed for this nomination. If there are no more remaining issues, then can this be passed now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg @Narutolovehinata5: I would be fine with this moving forward, then. It's on the short side but it meets the requirements. Raymie (tc) 03:44, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Came to promote, but the hook is a little bland. The article says the building once had a tower that was used as a fire lookout. Could we build a hook around that? --valereee (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Working on the article. Stay for a day or two. WBGconverse 05:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, and corrected the referencing as well as added another source. I think the first hook is good—the building name itself is good for a laugh—but I don't see the second hook fact about the tax collection department in the source. I struck ALT1 because it gives away the joke. Yoninah (talk) 18:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg It has been nearly one month since my last edit and there has been no response from the nominator. If this isn't addressed within one week, it will be closed as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 23:18, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Comment: I found this source for tax collectors, but it's a self-published Amazon book, so not terribly reliable. I also came across the NRHP nomination, which might be useful for expansion of the article, but it doesn't have much on tax collectors. The NRHP nomination is for three buildings – the Sinking Fund Building, City Hall, and the City Hall Annex – and it seems like the Annex was more permanently involved with tax collection. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Just as a suggestion here, perhaps we could try going with a hook based on the building's name? Like there might be potential with a hook about a "sinking fund" after all. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:00, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 4[edit]


  • ... that Agadzagadza the trickster lizard is blamed as the cause of death in Bura mythology?
    • ALT1:... that Agadzagadza is a mythological trickster from Uganda who is responsible for bringing death to humankind?
      • ALT2:... that Agadzagadza is a mythological trickster from Nigeria who is responsible for bringing death to humankind?
        • ALT3:... that Agadzagadza the trickster lizard is blamed as the cause of death in Nigerian mythology?
  • Reviewed: I think I'm exempt from review, but please let me know if this isn't the case!

Created by You've got Koalatee (talk). Nominated by Gardneca (talk) at 06:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC).


Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ALT1 fails as the article doesn't seem to mention Uganda. An issue with the primary hook is the reference to the "Bura". This isn't linked in the hook or article. Possible links include Bura people (which redirects to Kilba people) or Bura language (aka Bura/Pabir). I reckon we need to clarify this and the exact source which is supporting it.
This is my fault, I meant Nigeria not Uganda! Whoops. Linking to Bura people should work. Gardneca (talk) 17:29, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg It's not clear to me whether the word Agadzagadza is the Bura/Pabir name for a lizard or whether it's the proper name of this particular trickster. I suppose it's a bit of both like Coyote.

I think you're right Gardneca (talk) 17:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Shalor (Wiki Ed) Andrew Davidson I'd like to continue with this but since I'm new to the process I'm not sure what the next step should be. I responded to the issues and made changes, so please advise as to how to proceed. Thanks! Gardneca (talk) 07:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I'll take another look. More anon. Andrew D. (talk) 09:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Gonna assume this has been put on hold, so I hope you don't mind me taking over. QPQ not required, no copyvio issues, nominated in time. Strike ALT1, as it's not Ugandan, and suggest a link to Bura people. Much prefer ALT2. Not sure "Cause of death" is quite right. Symbol voting keep.svg Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 13:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Pulled from prep per discussion at WT:DYK#Prep 5: Trickster; article has four "citation needed" tags and these need to be supplied before the article can proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 5[edit]

Saadat Ali Khan I

Saadat Ali Khan I
Saadat Ali Khan I
  • ... that Saadat Ali Khan I (pictured) ended the administrative authority of the landlords over their lands in Awadh, India?

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The hook sounds rather vague and doesn't say much. It doesn't catch attention, and I don't think it appeals to anyone but history buffs. Can something more exciting be proposed? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:14, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5:. RRD (talk) 05:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I personally think that hook is even more niche. Probably a new direction is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2:... that Saadat Ali Khan I, the first governor of Awadh in India previously worked in the Mughal army? RRD (talk) 06:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2 is completely un-interesting. ALT1 is good and hooky enough. Need to check the article. Doing... WBGconverse 13:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg To me this article is not DYK ready. Hook and ALT1 are both uninteresting. Lede is almost impervious to someone unfamiliar with the special term used therein. Lede also does not adequately summarize the substantial body, and for a bio the sections are a bit unusual.Wuerzele (talk) 03:19, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


  • ... that several sultans in Morocco and the Ottoman Empire were deposed by a fatwa? Source: "...several Ottoman and Moroccan sultans were deposed by fatwas" ("Fatwa", in The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought, 2013, p. 174)
    • ALT1:... that according to some scholars Ayatollah Khomeini's proclamation condemning Salman Rushdie to death was not a fatwa? Source: "...Ayatollah Khomeini (1902–89) issued a statement calling for the execution of author Salman Rushdie for insulting Islam in his novel The Satanic Verses. Although not strictly a fatwa, this death sentence was quickly treated as such" ("Fatwa", in The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought, 2013, p. 174); "There are some views that deny that this actually was a fatwa, as it did not follow the classical criteria of form or function for a fatwa." (Vikør, Knut S. (2005). Between God and the Sultan: A History of Islamic Law. Oxford University Press, p. 142)
  • Reviewed: Exempt from QPQ - 1 DYK credit so far.

Improved to Good Article status by Eperoton (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC).

Article is well sourced, and hooks are reasonably interesting. They do suggest that the reader knows what a fatwa is, before reading the article, however. QPQ not required. Hooks are cited. No copyvio. See below for more comments. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Definitely newly promoted enough and long enough. An Earwig check is a liiiiitle iffy. Specifically, "allowed a female convert to Islam to remain married to her non-Muslim husband, based in part on the existence of European laws and customs which guarantee women the freedom of religion" If the source is somehow freely licensed or public domain, then fine enough. Otherwise that's stretching the limits of fair use a bit too far. Similarly, (though Earwig doesn't pick this bit up) the opening sentence is nearly verbatim from the Princeton Encyclopedia source. The hook, is exactly verbatim from the Princeton Encyclopedia source. So these really need to be quoted or they need to be reworded. Fair use gives us leeway with attributed quotes, but not with unatributed ones. Additional manual spot checks only picked up one additional issue. A large portion of this was either copied to Fatwa from Mufti or visa versa. But I don't see on either article, either in edit summaries or on the talk page where the original is attributed. This is required by the CCBYSA license, and so it needs to be sorted out which is the original and which is the copy, so we can make sure we're in compliance with WP:COPYWITHIN.
User:Lee Vilenski it looks like we had an edit conflict, but you probably want to revisit your approval given the above. GMGtalk 14:46, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── @GreenMeansGo: thanks for the closer review.

  • I have rephrased the passages underlined above.
  • For the definition, it's important to reflect the definitions found in the sources, which are themselves similar to each other. I think this one falls under: "Limited close paraphrasing is also appropriate if there are only a limited number of ways to say the same thing."
  • I was reluctant to paraphrase those few words in the hook because I feared introducing OR. For example, one could replace "deposed" by "forced to abdicate", but it doesn't quite mean the same thing. I feel this is also in the area of "limited number of ways to say the same thing". P.S. On closer inspection, how about this paraphrase of the hook?
  • I contributed all the text in both Fatwa and Mufti, so my edits are the appropriate attribution.

Let me know if you still have concerns. Eperoton (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Do you think we should gloss fatwa as "(nonbinding legal opinion)" or "(nonbinding legal opinion on a point of Islamic law)" in the hooks? Eperoton (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Wouldn't an opinion by definition not be legally binding? I think fatwa (legal opinion) makes sense, but It's not really something I understand entirely. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 08:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@Lee Vilenski: Binding legal opinions do exist in some legal systems, but we can use the shorter gloss in the hook for brevity. Eperoton (talk) 22:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • As far as COPYWITHIN, unless you are positive that there were no other contributors to the duplicated content, i.e., if they were both added at the same time, then we would still need attribution. But that's really too easy, just use a WP:DUMMYEDIT on whatever article was last and say "text from this article copied from that article".
Just to be safe, I'll see if we can't get a second opinion on whether the hook runs into close paraphrasing issues. Maybe I'm over thinking it. Never hurts to ask. GMGtalk 12:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: Thanks, second opinion on the hook would be good. Regarding attribution, the text of both articles either came out of my sandbox or was added by me to both articles at about the same time. I do include attributions in edit summaries when I copy text with other contributors. Eperoton (talk) 22:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

No comment on the close paraphrasing issue, but terms like "fatwa" do not need to be defined in hooks, the hook is only there to tweak interest in a topic not to define terms, if we did the latter DYK would end up looking like a dictionary extract. People who don't know what a "fatwa" is and would like to know more get to click on the link, that's the whole point. Gatoclass (talk) 03:29, 15 May 2019 (UTC).

  • I agree that there is some paraphrasing that is too close to the sources. Compare for example "A mufti's understanding of the query commonly depended on their grasp of local customs and colloquial expressions" with "Such comprehension frequently depended on the muftī  's grasp of both local custom and colloquial expression". Nikkimaria (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Can you elaborate your concern, Nikkimaria? I can't quite connect it to WP:CLOP. Nothing in this sentence strikes me as a "creative expression", and as I far as I can tell, there's a limited number of ways of expressing this particular assertion without changing the meaning or using unnatural language. This is a general issue that's important for articles on contentious topics, where I tend to edit, so I want to clarify for the future. I normally try to rephrase and rearrange content as much as the subject permits, and alternate statements drawing on different sources, but no so much as to introduce OR. CLOP, and particularly WP:LIMITED, seems to be formulated in a reasonably flexible way that permits this approach. Eperoton (talk) 22:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
P.S. So, for example, I now rewrote this as "A mufti's understanding of the query commonly depended on their familiarity with local customs and colloquialisms", which would minimize Earwig-style issues. Does that address your concern, or do you consider any statement that conveys the meaning of a statement from the source with a similar syntactic structure to be a CLOP violation, regardless of whether it can be naturally expressed otherwise? Eperoton (talk) 00:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
NOCREATIVE applies to things like "X was born on 1 January 1900", when there truly is no originality in the phrasing; that's not the case with the example I've cited. If you truly cannot find an adequate way to represent such a phrase, you can always quote it. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Ok, so did the rephrased version address this particular concern? Eperoton (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: I'm fine to go with a light rewording just to be on the safe side.
  • ALT3 ... that influential Islamic jurists used fatwas to dethrone several sultans in Morocco and the Ottoman Empire?
  • It's mot much, but it does put some daylight between the hook and the verbatim text, pulling bits of content from surrounding sentences in the source. If everyone's okay with that, then I'm perfectly fine to throw a tick on it and carry on. GMGtalk 12:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for following up on the nomination. I've used GMG's ideas to rephrase the text of the article to a version I slightly prefer (ALT4 ... that several sultans in Morocco and the Ottoman Empire were dethroned as a result of fatwas issued by influential jurists), but ALT3 seems close enough in meaning, as well as having the added benefit of brevity. Eperoton (talk) 03:18, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree w Eperoton that ALT4 is better because teher s a hint of an explanation what fatwa is- the point of DYK is to read the article of the term in bold font and if one gets no clue what it is one isnt pulled into it.Wuerzele (talk) 03:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 19[edit]

Heb Ik Ooit Gezegd

  • ... that an X Factor winner recorded a cover version of the song "Have I Ever Said", which was itself a Dutch-language cover based on the song "Have I Told You Lately"? Udo Mechels X-Factor winner: AllMusic; Udo's cover of Dutch band Clouseau's song "Have I Ever Said"/"Heb Ik Ooit Gezegd": Hung Medien; Clouseau's song is a cover of "Have I Told You Lately" by Van Morrison: Alllmusic; specific statement (in Dutch) that "Heb Ik Ooit Gezegd" is a cover of the Van Morrison song: Radio2
    • ALT1:... that the song " Have I Ever Said "—a Dutch-language cover version based on the song "Have I Told You Lately"—was itself made into a cover version by an X Factor winner?
  • Comment: There is a request to merge the article, but I wanted to place this request in case the merge request fails.

Created by Big universe (talk). Self-nominated at 04:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Nomination on hold until merge discussion finishes. Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 20[edit]

Jew with a coin, Joanna Tokarska-Bakir, "Never Again" Association, Rafał Pankowski

Jew with a coin figurines on sale in Polańczyk
Jew with a coin figurines on sale in Polańczyk
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2019–20 RFU Championship
  • Comment: I have a bunch of articles here, but the really-really hooky and cool one is Jew with a coin. Reviewer - you have an important job - I've listed many possible hooks - please convey your opinions on which hook (or hooks) are the hookiest (or in this case, convey a WTF moment). If we have an additional article in the hook (other than Jew with a coin) that's a bonus - but the main-main thing I want here is hookiness.

Created by Icewhiz (talk), Piotrus (talk), (talk), Drmies (talk), E.M.Gregory (talk), MyMoloboaccount (talk), Kayteigh (talk), Xx236 (talk), Jpbowen (talk), and Slatersteven (talk). Nominated by Icewhiz (talk) at 08:59, 24 May 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, size, copyvio spotcheck, QCQ ok. Concern #1: the article is not stable yet, a few days may be needed for some tug of wars/reverts/etc. do die down; there's also a NPOV template at the top of the article, this needs to be removed and not challenged for the DYK to be stable for main page. (Ping me if you think this has happened and I'll rereview this). Concern #2. Hooks are interesting, but 1) first one - I don't think qualifier "many" is correct, per my comment on nom's talk page. 2) ok, but I'd add 'some', I don't think it's a custom for majority of them 3) ok but just one minor event, a bit boring 4) I like it, through perhaps a bit too technical for a casual reader 4) my favorite 5) interesting, but I'd rather go with 4 that attribute a single scholar opinion that may not be universally shared. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Note you are co-named as an author - you should not be reviewing. These are in 18% of around 10 million homes = many. If you have a better word - go ahead and suggest. There is a NPOV tag only on Pankowski, which is only relevant for one hook (ALT2) - the others should be good.Icewhiz (talk) 12:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. I'll just note that neither Pankowski nor the Association seem to be linked in the hook, they probably should have stand-alone and separate DYK nominations and hooks. For what's it worth, I think the 'jew with the coin' article is neutral right now, but whether it is stable, I am unsure. The next reviewer will check on that anyway. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svgObject-Joannas Tokarska-Bakirs claims have been widely rejected by others up to the point of her being openly ridiculed by other scholars in this field[1]. Right now her claims are shown as valid and serious.Just one of the issues the article has.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 11:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
It is attributed analysis - and I don't quite see where the Polish language journal states that. Please note that BLPTALK applies vs. the chair of the ethnic and national relations study at the Polish Academy of Sciences's Institute of Slavic Studies who is a well respected and widely cited authority in the field.Icewhiz (talk) 11:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Actually Tokarska herself mentions this and calls Sorbona professor Ludwik Stomma who ridiculed her "ancient lizard"(best translation to her insult "praszczur" I could think of)and mastodont[2]</ref>
All the source you have brought shows is that Stomma, who per plwiki is also a columnist in Hustler magazine, disagreed with Tokarska-Bakir - a chair ethnic and national relations study. Unsurprisingly, Tokarska-Bakir's analysis continues to be quoted and cited - usually without Stomma.Icewhiz (talk) 12:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Stomma is reliable,and actually seems to have both longer and higher scholar status that Tokarska.Worked at University of Warsaw,Krakow Jagiellonian University, Institute of Arts PAN, University of Torun, published over 14 books on ethnology and worked at Sorbonna University.Has dozens of dozens of scholarly articles.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Tread carefully, my friends. EEng 07:27, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Nomination has been stuck for weeks due to possible fringe topics concerns. Due to this, unless the editors and reviewers can come into an agreement, this nomination is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I have reopened this nomination for a new reviewer. Probably do it myself soon. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks. The main hook, ALT1, and ALT4 should be good to go. Icewhiz (talk) 06:44, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
    Icewhiz, I am going to read the article carefully over the next few days. I am sure you are pretty familiar with how DYK works. So, if the other articles are also technically qualifying of a DYK per the usual rules (GA or 5X expansion and more than 1500 char, etc.), I will invite you to nominate them on separate template pages. I will review them all separately and consider 24 May as their inherited nomination date.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
    All the others technically meet DYK rules, however I do not intend to nom them (unless they fit into one of the hooks here - which is not a goal - I want the most hooky hook). Jew with a coin is cool and really hooky - real DYK material. The others are OK+ articles but a "meh" for DYK (they were all written as part of the same editing arc, and might get views off of Jew with a coin).Icewhiz (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 -- they "blame the Jew" -- blame the Jew? Huh? What does that even mean? ALT4 -- "good use charm" -- what's a good use charm? And the article is a jumble of confusing and conflicting statements about these grotesques' history and symbolism. I again urge caution. EEng 23:25, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
    The article is not a jumble - it could be slightly better organized and/or split into more subsections ("Ethnographic analysis" - sourced to multiple journal articles, at present - attributing each one (as we do when sources provide different interpretations - as they often do in anthropology and cultural studies) - could be) - It is 13Kb of prose, well under WP:SIZERULE. It is well sourced - mainly to academic sources, with some NEWSORG coverage. As for the hooks:
    ALT1 - source1, quoting Dr Shimon Samuels: "They are sold in huge numbers outside football matches and people buy them to bring luck to their side," he said. "But if their team loses, then the Jews are blamed.", source2: "Some take them along to football games for luck. If your team doesn't win it's the Jew's fault.". "Blame the Jew" here means either blaming the figurine and/or Jews generally - who failed to provide the "good luck" they were supposed to. I think the hook properly reflects the sources and that "blame the Jew" is obvious in context - it could be reworded if needed.
A football fan from Wrocław (population 650 000) has never seen such figurines. Where do they sell them?Xx236 (talk) 10:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Source? One football fan? Small sample. I could point you to several brick and mortar stores (but not in Wrocław, off hand), but my simplest pointer would be allegro.pl (the Polish eBay/Amazon) where there are numerous items for sale of this type - allegro.pl search - and they do deliver.Icewhiz (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
And your academic result is ? "Some Poles buy poor quality pictures of Jews." We still don't know geographical distribution. You article describes Warsaw fans, one city. I have watched pictures in a souvenir shop in Wrocław, no such picture. I have asked if they hav eone to not influence the market.Xx236 (talk) 11:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 24[edit]

Articles created/expanded on June 1[edit]

Rathindranath Tagore

Tagore in 1953
Tagore in 1953

Created by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 15:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Can a better hook be proposed here? I don't think that university is well-known outside of India, so it wouldn't be clear to non-Indian readers how being the first leader of this university is a big deal. I wouldn't be opposed to including that fact in a hook though: perhaps you can include that he's Rabindrananth Tagore's son? 11:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I'd be opposed to letting the hook rest on family ties, even to a known person, and I doubt that that person is known better than the university. The hook works fine for me, - no, I don't know the university but am ready to find out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Well Rabindranath Tagore is quite a famous person, even outside India, and it would feel like a waste not to mention him somewhere. I would not have been opposed to the current hook had the university been well known outside India, but alas. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
We disagree about that a thing mentioned in a hook has to be known already, - I say no, we have a link, and a university where the subject held a position seems better suited to speak about the subject than someone famous, but just related. We just had the hook about the O'Keeffe sister who didn't use the famous name because she wanted to be her own, not just a famous woman's sister. That was the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Just kicking my heels here, waiting for a nomination of mine to be reviewed. Can I suggest an alternative?

  • ALT1: ... that Rathindranath Tagore (pictured) resigned the Vice-Chancelorship of the Visva-Bharati University after embarking on a relationship with the wife of a professor there? It seems to me that more of the article is devoted to this relationship than to his academic career. Scolaire (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
    I think that again deviates from what he did, - mentioning that he resigned for a relationship may be better. Royroydeb, can you please decide if the woman's name should be Mira or Meera? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
(I was away, so I could not reply earlier). @Narutolovehinata5:. As pointed by @Gerda Arendt:, the particular university is linked within the hook. Mira has been changed to Meera as it is the most commonly used spelling (some even spell it Meira like Meira Kumar). Although, I prefer the original hook, I would suggest another one
ALT2: ... that Rathindranath Tagore (pictured) was the first vice-chancellor of the Visva-Bharati University which was founded by his father Rabindranath Tagore? RRD (talk) 13:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg I hope a prep builder will take into account that you and I prefer the original. - ALT2 sounds a bit like: no wonder he got the position being the founder's son. - Detailed bio on good sources, Bengali sources accepted AGF. Please mark them all als in Bengali. The image is licensed and a good illustration. I recomment combining his marriage and relationship to one section "Private life". I also doubt the "filled with controversy" in the lead is a good summary, - perhaps drop that sentence, or write a better one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg @Royroydeb: The article has some clarification tags which need addressing before this can be promoted. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
@Royroydeb: The clarification needed tags are still there. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: I had been inactive for a long time. I have now removed the tags with explanations. RRD (talk) 16:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. Replacing tick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Proposing possible alternative hooks, based on a proposal by Alanscottwalker:
ALT3... that Rathindranath Tagore, who became the first vice-chancellor of Visva-Bharati University, joined in the development of the school at the urging of his Nobel Prize-winning father?
ALT4... that Rathindranath Tagore, who became the first vice-chancellor of Visva-Bharati University, initially became involved with school at the urging of his Nobel Prize-winning father?
I'm not sure if this will be good enough (it was modified to reflect article content, since he didn't become vice-chancellor until after Rabindranath's death, and a word other than "joined" could be used instead for ALT3), but it's probably more interesting than simply saying he was the first vice-chancellor of that university. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I dunno, why the hook of a person who became the first vice-chancellor of an university is being considered "uninteresting" persistently even when the university has been linked. I have got no option but to agree to the new hooks. 15:01, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Who? I think it's missing a "the" (most kids become involved with school urged by their parents)), and I liked the original one better. Someone else please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This has been stuck for several weeks now after being pulled. Can a review please be done for the hooks so that this nomination can move forward? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 2[edit]

Rugg/Feldman benchmarks

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 11:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC).

Reviewed Hells Bells.

I think of the various hooks, ALT1 is the most "hooky" and likely the best? Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Maury Markowitz: New and long enough, QPQ done. This is an interesting topic that is treated in a thorough manner. However, I have concerns about the sourcing of this article. Nearly all of the article is a summary of the four articles that originally proposed various versions of the benchmarks, which is sourced solely to those four articles. Most of the other sources (refs 13–19) are sources that use the benchmarks but do not discuss them in depth, and are solely used in the "Use" section. (It's also unclear what the source for the "Sample results" section is.)
Now, for DYK the threshold to be met is WP:V and not WP:N. Still, the former says "Articles must be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." While the provided sources seem reliable in the sense of being trustworthy for providing accurate information, the use of primary sources is very excessive given that they're limited to a single section in an article of this length. I would like to see independent sources used more broadly in the article, preferably one(s) that explicitly outline the historical context of the benchmarks, before I can pass this article. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 18:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@Antony-22: So it seems you agree that the sources are "reliable" and have a "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". If I am reading your post correctly, your concern is about the "independent" part, is that correct? If so, I believe you are mis-applying the term. The goal of independent sources is to "protect the project from people using Wikipedia for self-promotion, personal financial benefit, and other abuses". Do you see anything of that sort here?
What I really think you're saying it relies too heavily on primary sources. This tends to be more blurry and every editor has their own view on this. However, the guideline is very clear that primary sources are OK as long as there "careful thought and some extra knowledge on the part of Wikipedia's editors." Do you believe I have failed to perform due diligence in this regard?
The reason for both of these guidelines is to protect the Wiki from being overrun by highly biased material. Do you believe this article about a benchmark that has not been used for 35 years is highly biased? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:20, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: I don't believe there's any self-promotion or malice of any kind here, and just to be clear I'm definitely not accusing you of anything unsavory. My concern is that I don't think that a paper by the original proposers of an idea can be considered independent, and I have trouble concluding that an article based almost entirely on such sources is within policy. Usually I just comment on overuse of first-party sources and let it slide, but this is more excessive than other cases I've seen. So I'm not looking for a significant rewrite, just some improvement. Ideally it would be nice if there were, say, a citation to a review on the history of benchmarks that discusses this benchmark in context. (In any case, missing citations in the "Programs" and "Sample results" section still need to be addressed.) Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 21:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 3[edit]

Kang Woo-kyu

  • ... that Kang Woo-kyu was a fighter for Korean independence during the Japanese colonial period? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Won96 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Won96: Hey, I've given a bit of polish to the hook. The article is a strong start but it needs a bit of copyediting. (I've also done some to the hook, adding a link.) I don't think I'm the right person for the job, though, since I'm not a topic expert and I don't speak Korean. While the article is new enough out of mainspace, long enough and has a good density of citations, I strongly advise you to take it to WP:GOCE and have someone with more familiarity with Korean copyedit this for you. Raymie (tc) 18:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Since the above review, now over a month and a half old, the article has been moved from "Kang Woo Kyu" to "Kang Woo-kyu" (I've just adjusted the template accordingly; it should not itself be moved!), but it was never submitted to the Guild of Copy Editors (at WP:GOCER) and has since been tagged as needing a copyedit. It cannot be approved at DYK without that copyedit, so I strongly suggest that it be submitted there at once. I have pinged Won96's talk page; hopefully they will see this, as they haven't edited on Wikipedia for about six weeks, since before the copyedit tag was added to the article. (Note: requests at GOCE average about three weeks to get done; articles tagged by others typically take four to five months to be selected and completed.) Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 01:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 4[edit]

String Quartet in A major (Bliss)

Arthur Bliss
Arthur Bliss
  • ... that the String Quartet in A major was composed in 1913 while Arthur Bliss (pictured) was an undergraduate but like his other pre-war chamber music, was suppressed and not revived until the 1990s?

Created by Graham1973 (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 06:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg — Several sentences and an entire paragraph lack citations. Second sentence in lede, pertaining to the hook, is not cited. Also, anything summarized in the lede should be covered in the body of text. i.e. The word "suppressed" occurs in the lede, but the body of text only mentions "withdrawn", making it a bit unclear that this is the "suppressed" referred to in the lede. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:00, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Well, some citations seem to be in the middle of the sentence rather than at the end, and I could move those, but we really need @Graham1973: to deal with the uncited paragraph, and whether "suppressed" is the best word to use. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Having looked further at the article, the sources are largely online, but I am not going to attempt to improve the referencing. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The sources check out, but there may be an issue with Sam Ellis' thesis, concerning whether it was published by a reputable publisher, per reliable source eligibility. Recently I was involved with such an issue regarding one of my DYK nominations. I've seen many sources used to pass a DYK nomination that seemed less reliable, but depending on the reviewer, this source may pose issues. We'll need more opinions on that note. Sorry I can't be of any further help at this time. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I've started a discussion over at WP:RSN regarding the thesis part. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
The source in question here is a Doctoral Thesis, and such sources were deemed somewhat reliable in this RSN discussion. There still may be issues with its publishing, however. Good luck. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I have just made a comment at WP:RSN, also quoting the same earlier discussion as Narutolovehinata5 does here. I would consider the PhD thesis reliable - however, I note in checking the references to the thesis that it actually says "He composed a String Quartet in A major in about 1913, his final year at Cambridge. ... The first public performance of the quartet was given on 9 June 1914 at Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge: it can be safely classified, therefore, as a student work," [my emphasis]. The hook above leaves out "about", and just says "in 1913".
More to the point, it seems to me, is whether the reference for the "withdrawal" or the "suppression" of the work is reliable? It comes from a review of a 2019 performance in Seen and Heard International, which states that the information is based on the programme notes. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Carlton le Willows Academy

Improved to Good Article status by Curlymanjaro (talk). Self-nominated at 21:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg recently promoted to GA, no copyvio, long enough, well cited, no plagiarism concerns. May not need QPQ? Primary hook is awkwardly worded and not cited in the article; ALT1 is not especially interesting.Kenirwin/(talk) 23:30, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Guess you're right, although I did quite like ALT1. How about this:
  • ALT2:... that Carlton le Willows Academy was opened in 1956 by Sir John Wolfenden, whose report, first recommending the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Britain, was published a year later? Source: Association of Education Committees (1956). British Education Index. 108. London: Councils and Education Press. p. 1000. OCLC 225906831.
@Curlymanjaro: ALT2 works for me. Needs QPQ review -- please complete a review and note it here. -Kenirwin/(talk) 15:30, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 5[edit]

2019 Tripoli shooting

Tripoli is northern city in Lebanon
Tripoli is northern city in Lebanon

Created by Forest90 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:16, 7 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: I hope accept my new DYK, I worked a lot for creating article
  • Copy edited your ALTs and you should note that ALT1 and ALT2 are too long. -- Thats Just Great (talk) 02:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Forest90, look at the copy edits I made to make sure the footnotes are in the proper numerical order. Please do the others as well. I'll get back to this tomorrow; for now I'm leaning toward the very first hook; simple is best. Drmies (talk) 02:19, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I can already tell you that we are not going to run with that image--that's just a picture of a busy highway. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 7[edit]

Psalm 150

  • ... that Psalm 150 names nine kinds of musical instruments to be used in praise of God, including the harp, lyre, drum, flute, cymbal, and shofar? Source: "He should be praised with every type of instrument, from the blasts of the shofar to harps, tambourines, flutes, cymbals, and more. (David lists nine types of instruments in all – even castanets!)" (Orthodox Union)
    • ALT1:... that in the ancient Jewish text of Perek Shirah, verse 5 of Psalm 150 is said by the spider, and verse 6 by the rat? Source: "The Spider is saying, "Praise Him with sounding cymbals! Praise Him with loud clashing cymbals!" (Psalms 150:5)" ... "The Rat is saying, 'Let every soul praise God, Hallelukah! (Psalms 150:6)" (Perek Shirah

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Yoninah (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 22:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Of the two hooks, I think I prefer ALT1, but the wording seems to assume that readers know what Psalm 150, Perhaps instead of "said by the spider" or "by the rat", perhaps the hook could be rephrased to instead say "said by a spider", or a general statement like "certain verses are said by animals such as a spider and a rat"? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:02, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Perek Shirah asserts that each animal, bird, and inanimate objects like the sun, moon, and earth, all "sing shirah (praises)" to God. It then connects a verse in Tanakh with each animal/bird/object. The format for each entry is: The spider says, '(text of verse)'". The rat says, '(text of verse)'". It is inaccurate to say that these verses are "said by a spider". I think the way I wrote it is most accurate and also hooky. Yoninah (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Hmmm, can you rewrite the hook then to focus on Shirah's assertion? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg For the most part, article meets expansion and paraphrasing requirements. A QPQ has been done. Most of the article is sourced, and ALT2a is cited inline and verified in the sources. However, the article has several unsourced statements, such as most of the "Musical settings" section and the last sentence of the Catholicism section. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • The Catholicism section has one cite in the paragraph, which meets WP:DYKSG#D2. Pinging @Gerda Arendt: on the musical settings section. Yoninah (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
    Will do later today. Ping me again if I forget please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
    I managed a few from the top. Do you really need more, when the title of the pieces is Psalm 150? I didn't write the list, - it was there before we expanded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I asked if I have to find references for the fact that a composition named Psalm 50 is based on Psalm 50, in several cases, and already in the article before we expanded. No answer yet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Personally I think there's probably no need for a reference to cite the fact that Psalm 150 is based on Psalm 150 from the bible, as this is a DYK and theoretically sourcing standards are lower than say for a GA or an FA. The rest of the sourcing issues (such as the lack of citations in the Musical settings section) remain, however. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Do we have a misunderstanding? It is precisely in that section that several pieces are called Palm 50. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

1st Canadian Comedy Awards, Canadian Comedy Awards, List of Canadian comedians, Peameal bacon, Poutine, Made in Canada

Extended content
French fries and cheese curds with gravy
Serving of poutine
  • ... that poutine (pictured) and back bacon on a bun were served while The Beaver was awarded to Made in Canada, clowns, and comedians at the inaugural Canadian Comedy Awards? Hook fact appears in 1st Canadian Comedy Awards. Sources: "the premier Canadian Comedy Awards [...] guests munched on Canadian fare like back bacon on a bun and poutine [...] Rick Mercer was chosen best male performer in a TV comedy for Made in Canada [...] Other awards went to: [...] Mike Kennard and John Turner (a.k.a. Mump and Smoot, although they appeared sans clown face last night); best actor[s]in a comedic play [...] Canada's comic elite were finally able to take home something more tangible than simply the memory of chuckles and guffaws." The Globe and Mail and "Beaver (yup, that's what the award is called)" The Globe and Mail

Created/expanded by Reidgreg (talk). Self-nominated at 23:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC).

Note that not all of the articles are ready for DYK reviews:

All articles ready for DYK review. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:04, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg@Reidgreg: do you have an image to go with this? Yoninah (talk) 13:09, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Nothing specific. I suppose a picture would balance-out the length of the hook, so good idea! The picture of the trophy at the CCA article is fair use, as is the title card for Made in Canada, so they don't qualify. Commons has plenty of pictures of poutine. (File:Poutine.JPG might be good and appears in the article, though I'm not the best person to judge.) – Reidgreg (talk) 13:53, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Starting review of Peameal bacon, as that's one that hasn't been to GA already --valereee (talk) 14:45, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Peameal bacon GTG: was expanded from 762 characters to 5000+ between Jun 7 and 10, nominated Jun 7, so plenty long and 5x expansion done and nominated in time. I did not find the hook info (that it was served at the first awards) in the article, but I did find that at the awards article, so I’ve added it in +source. There was a minor instance of too-close paraphrasing in the lead, which I fixed. Article is sufficiently sourced, and references appear to be in good shape. The point within the hook that references this article is interesting. --valereee (talk) 15:23, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Starting review of Poutine, which is another food article so happy to pitch in there, too. --valereee (talk) 15:29, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Poutine GTG: is long enough and was reviewed for GA June 7, so new enough. There are sufficient citations, at least one per paragraph, and they appear to be in good shape. Once again I did not find the hook point in the article, but again added it. Note to Reidgreg: I think you’re going to need to put the hook point with source into each of the other articles in order for them to be bolded rather than simply linked. Fixed an instance of too-close paraphrasing. Point within the hook that references this article is interesting. Article is stable. Image of Poutine is properly licensed and used in article. --valereee (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
@Valereee: I added a picture from poutine to the nomination, if you wouldn't mind checking it as well. Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:05, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Could I have a third opinion on the bolded note above? Rule H5 requires the hook fact to be cited in the [main] article, but it isn't clear if the hook fact must be present in every bolded article of a multiple-article hook. I don't mind the addition of the hook fact to the above articles (poutine, peameal bacon), but it might seem trivial or out of place in the other secondary articles (Made in Canada, List of Canadian comedians, Canadian Comedy Awards). – Reidgreg (talk) 17:05, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Reidgreg, I'm not interpreting it to mean all the articles have to be connected somehow with all the other articles, just that the point in the hook (that poutine was served at this awards dinner, for instance) would need to be mentioned in both articles, and so on. Poutine doesn't need to go into any of the other articles. It just needs to be in the poutine article that they were served at the awards, and in the awards article that poutine was served. Winning a Beaver would need to be mentioned in the Made in Canada article, and the fact Made in Canada won a Beaver in the awards article. But the Made in Canada article doesn't need to mention poutine, and vice versa. But maybe I'm wildly off base here! --valereee (talk) 17:23, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
I've added the image check to the poutine review --valereee (talk) 17:28, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Ah, good!  CCA has "The Beaver" and comedians, the List refers to CCA, you've fixed the food articles, and MIC refers to this article and CCAs.  This main article is the only one with the complete hook fact. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Valereee: the hook fact only needs to be mentioned and sourced in one of the articles. @Reidgreg: great picture! Yoninah (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, even if both articles are bolded? What's the difference in requirements between a bolded article and a linked article, just that they've both been through review? They don't need to be connected to one another via a hook that is sourced in each? It seems like when someone goes to a bolded article and doesn't see anything that connects it to the hook, they'd wonder why. ETA: er, not arguing, just trying to get my own understanding straight. :) --valereee (talk) 17:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
@Valereee: the hook fact has to appear in only one bolded article in the hook, even if there are 30 bolded articles! I don't understand your question about linked articles; they are not subject to DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Reidgreg:@Valereee: There is too much linking going on in the hook. The "clowns" link looks like a link to Clown, not to the award winner. I suggest deleting that. Linking to "comedians" as List of Canadian comedians is also confusing; was the award given to all the comedians in the list? I would suggest doing a different hook for List of Canadian comedians and writing the hook this way:
  • ALT1: ... that poutine (pictured) and back bacon on a bun were served while The Beaver was awarded to Made in Canada at the inaugural Canadian Comedy Awards? Sources per ALT0 Yoninah (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Comment: My idea was for "Made in Canada, clowns and comedians" to read without the comma, as if "Made in Canada" was a compound modifier applied to "clowns and comedians", like another way of saying Canadian clowns and Canadian comedians. (About 20 people on that list received awards at the 1st CCAs; less than 5% of the list. Mump and Smoot are regarded as the most-famous Canadian clown duo, so Canadian clowns → Mump and Smoot.) I'm open to ALT1 but would like to see how the rest of the reviews go. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Reidgreg: OK, but that compound modifier thing isn't clear at all. I'll try to review the rest of the hooks if someone doesn't beat me to it. Yoninah (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I may help later today or tomorrow, - please clarify in the list of 6 above what's already under review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
    I checked the completed reviews; so far no editor has specifically stated an intention to review any of the last four. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:03, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
    Symbol voting keep.svg for Made in Canada, substantial GA on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
    Symbol confirmed.svg for Canadian Comedy Awards, substantial expansion on good sources, no copyvio obvious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Review of List of Canadian comedians: 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. However, the material which constitutes the lead is unorganized and jumps from topic to topic. I suggest writing a more general lead (see hidden note in edit window) and then breaking the rest up into subsections. After "Types of humour", though, I was unable to find a logical sequence; it all seems like a mish-mash.
  • As mentioned above, I don't think this page should be included in the multi-hook nomination, and neither should the non-bolded "clowns" directing to Mump and Smoot. Please suggest a different hook for this article. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Review of 1st Canadian Comedy Awards: 5x expansion verified, new enough, long enough, well referenced, neutrally written, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. All of the citations for the hook are found in this article, and hook refs are verified and cited inline. Image is freely licensed. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:50, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comments: I wonder about the article name, why "1st", not "First"? I also suggest you write a short lead and have a new section below. The names of collagues of someone who won in two categories seems no lead material. - General: I'd collapse the navbox in all articles, at least until there's more blue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
    • The ordinal (1st) in the title seems to be the convention with these sorts of articles (e.g. 1st Academy Awards). It probably makes it easier for listing/navigation, and to keep the title from becoming unwieldy. When I ran an intitle search with "first" I mostly found things like First Novelist Award which is for an artist's debut work (i.e. first novels written by authors, not the first year the award was given). Some list by the year, but this can become ambiguous and confusing (between the eligibility year, the year the award was given, if the ceremony ever skipped a year for some reason, or if the eligibility period does not coincide with a calendar year).
    I noted the colleagues who shared that award because it wasn't written out anywhere else in prose. The lead looks a little long compared to the prose in some sections, but it's also summarizing a lot of tables. (I feel like it would get a bit redundant if all the information in tables was also written out in prose.)
    I collapsed the nav template. (I have drafts for ceremonies 2–19 which I was going to move to mainspace when this passed, but I recently gained access to the ProQuest database and want to flesh them out with additional sources first.) – Reidgreg (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────For List of Canadian comedians, I agree with Yoninah's edits, it was too long for a lead and works much better with sections. Being very general, it was intended to show how the realities of the country (culture, audiences, climate, industry) shape its comedians, and what distinguishes Canadian comedians from those of other countries. I'll try to write a lead and organize it in that vein. I'm not sure anything stands out as hook-worthy. I have a couple sources which say something along the lines of "Canada produces more [notable] comedians per capita than any other country in the world", which I feel is broadly interesting, but they aren't high-quality sources for census-type information like that, and I didn't include it in the article as I felt it was likely to be challenged. (Census information I did find grouped comedians with actors, so I couldn't resolve it as a distinct profession.) If we can't think of a good hook, I'm fine with dropping it, but please keep the QPQ credit for the review. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

  • @Reidgreg: no problem. I'm sure we can come up with a good hook after you fix up the article. We could leave this template open until that's resolved.
  • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 is simply a shorter version of ALT0, and since all five articles have been checked and verified, ALT1 is good to go. I have struck List of Canadian comedians from the DYK credit lines. Yoninah (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
    • ALT2B: ... that Canada's comedians, along with its singers and musicians, are considered to be the country's cultural representatives?" Source: "working-class individuals [...] idea of Canada's cultural best is more likely to include the Canadian comedians who have frequented American television shows such as Saturday Night Live (Dan Akroyd, Mike Myers) or rock groups such as Rush [...] or more recently internationally famous performers such as Shania Twain or Celine Dion" Anthropologica (source offline). It's not in the article yet, but does that sound hook-worthy? Oh, the "more likely" part in the source is comparing what is broadly popular to what is traditionally chosen from the fine arts by the elite. Feel free to suggest changes. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I think the hook is good. Are you going to create a lead paragraph too? I'm not very familiar with list articles but you should probably summarize the major points there. I'll take a look at this once this is done. Overall, this is ripe for promotion. MX () 17:20, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Good job on the expansion, Reidgreg! The presentation looks much better now and the lead reads well. I suggest writing the hook this way:
Two comedians dressed as Mounties apprehend the host of a TV show
Wayne and Shuster with Ed Sullivan
  • ALT2c: ... that Canadians consider their comedians (Wayne and Shuster pictured), along with their singers and musicians, to be the country's cultural representatives?
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Offline hook ref AGF and cited inline. Rest of my review above. ALT2c good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:08, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
    • I like ALT2c. Fixed the TOC and section headers, and added a bunch of images, all marked with free licenses. I tried to use performance images, and then added a few others where there were gaps. I tried to balance the columns and images as best I could, hopefully it doesn't look too bad at different screen widths. I might go back to crop a photo so it'll display better, but I'm pretty happy with it. – Reidgreg (talk) 23:04, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg@Reidgreg: nice job on the images. Confirming that all images are freely licensed. What do you think about adding the Wayne and Schuster image to this nomination? From a design point of view, the images do look a bit too big. Are they default 200px? Yoninah (talk) 09:49, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
      • I set the long skinny picture of Katherine Ryan to 150px. The others are all 'thumb's, which I believe sets the width according to the user preferences and browser platform. The Wayne & Shuster picture certainly fits the hook, and I was really pleased to find it. Have added it to ALT2c, above. I used an ampersand to keep the caption short; are the caption and the (pictured) note sufficient? Also cropped the picture of Candy Palmater in the article. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you. The image is freely licensed. I edited the caption and "(pictured)" part. ALT2c good to go with image. Yoninah (talk) 13:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep. Several alts have been proposed at WT:DYK#Prep 3. Let's get the hook into shape and approved before promotion. It would be great to run this with the Wayne and Shuster image, but the hook has to connect to it. Pinging @Reidgreg:. Yoninah (talk) 17:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
    Going to list the hooks here:
    • ALT0: ... that many working-class Canadians consider their comedians, along with their singers and musicians, to be the country's cultural representatives?
      • ... that Canadians popularly consider their cultural best to include comedians?
    • ALT1: ... that Canadian comedians use individual expression to reinforce collective values?
    • ALT2: ... that to be social acceptable, some Canadian comedians link comedic discontent to group survival?
    • ALT3: ... that in Canada, comedians face taboos regarding immodesty, impoliteness, and social criticism?
    • ALT4: ... that the dangers of Canada's vast and sparsely populated climate have given rise to dark and fatalistic humour on the part of Canadian comedians?
    I have a quote from a comedy historian that "[Canadian] comedians have long been a source of national pride" but I was trying to keep the article short and generalized and was avoiding quotes. There were also quotes that "Canada produces more notable comedians per capita than any other country" but I would not consider the sources reliable for that kind of data and was unable to find census data to back it up. (Although comparing with the lists for other countries, Canada certainly has more Wikipedia articles on comedians per capita.)
    I feel the Wayne & Shuster picture worked when the hook was about Canada's cultural representatives to the world. I'm not so sure about the other hooks. I suppose if we expanded something like The Canadian Conspiracy and did a hook about Canadian comedians taking over the US, the picture could fit that. Or we could just save the picture for the Wayne & Shuster articles. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Reidgreg: it does seem to me that you wrote this article very sketchily; perhaps you were just busy with all the other articles you were nominating. If you were to expand any of the sections with examples, rather than generalities, I think you could come up with better hooks. Yoninah (talk) 19:57, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
    • My feeling was that the prose should be just enough to introduce the list, and what distinguishes Canadian comedians from other comedians. I didn't want to go down the path of examples – although I could see doing that in a history section after writing some missing articles for the early history. I'm not really interested in further expanding the article at this time.
    • I did some more reading about cultural representatives and representative culture and found that there are differing, and sometimes conflicting, definitions. In line with my conception is the following definition: The vicarious actions undertaken by individual, exceptional persons either for, on behalf of, or acting as proxy for the other members of the group in question or society (or even the whole human race).UC Press Canadians identify with their sense of humour but cannot always express it; comedians are the exceptional individuals with artistic talent who can express the cultural ideas and ideals of humour, and represent this aspect of the culture – becoming the group's cultural representatives, eh? Does that make sense? The article touches on this in a few places and the lead summarizes it. – Reidgreg (talk) 22:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
    • @Yoninah: are any of the hooks interesting and passable enough? If not, is there something specific that should be done to move this forward? – Reidgreg (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Extended content
  • Note to promoter: There are 2 separate hooks on this page, ALT1 which is scheduled for a special occasion appearance on July 1, and ALT2c. Please leave this template open after promoting one so the other will still be available for promotion. Or, promote them at the same time! Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 20:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I have promoted ALT1 without the image to Prep 3. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:49, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 8[edit]

William R. Crawford Jr.

Created by Bejinhan (talk). Self-nominated at 16:18, 8 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg New enough, long enough.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:53, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Neutral, well-cited, no copyright violation detected.
  • I standardized the layout. The lede is too short.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I didn't know lede length is a requirement in WP:DYK... but I've expanded it into a brief summary of the article. Bejinhan talks 18:14, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. ALT1 is better. Interesting to a broad audience. QPQ done. I cannot double-check the offline book, but I assume good faith and there are other references about his father anyway. Good to go!Zigzig20s (talk) 18:29, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks! I've struck out the first suggestion. Bejinhan talks 19:00, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returning from prep for a better hook per discussion at WT:DYK. Yoninah (talk) 00:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah, Cwmhiraeth, Zigzag20s, and Valereee: This nomination has been stuck for several weeks now with no alternative hook proposed. Can we try to discuss formulating a new hook? It was suggested back in the WT:DYK discussion that he took the position as ambassador within four days of the assassination. Would a hook based on that work? Or is a new direction needed? Because right now, I can't really see any option other than the assassination/appointment fact. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
@Zigzig20s:. Leaving this for someone else as I can't access the Washington Post article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
I can get to the WaPo obit, but it doesn't give anything. The Time article that's the source for "immediately" might, but that's one I can't get to. It doesn't look like Bejinhan has edited since June; can we give her another few days? --valereee (talk) 12:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't see any "immediately" in the New York Times source. Here is an alt:
  • ALT2: ... that William R. Crawford Jr., a 30-year veteran of the US Foreign Service, was exposed to foreign cultures as a youth living with his professor-father in France, Brazil, and Chile? Yoninah (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:02, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
It's a bit boring. Many diplomats grow up OCONUS.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:56, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
True, but I don't think that's common knowledge and it might still be appealing to the average reader. Another option could be to go with ALT2, but mentioning his posts in Yemen and Cyprus as well for contrast purposes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
What was wrong with ALT1 please?Zigzig20s (talk) 10:01, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, after ambassadors are assassinated, they're usually replaced. Yoninah (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
We are at an impasse. There is nothing interesting about his OCONUS background; it's just another celebration of social status. Did he achieve anything extraordinary that could be found in the public domain?Zigzig20s (talk) 10:22, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg We are not at an impasse. We are trying to write something hooky about someone who is not very hooky, using "compare and contrast" hook wording. ALT1 has plenty of hook interest. I think we need another set of eyes. Yoninah (talk) 13:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Trust Exercise (novel)

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 12:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg A new hook is probably needed: it is not uncommon for authors to be mad while writing, and the hook lacks context as to how her case is special. In addition, the article needs a copyedit due to grammatical errors and typos. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5 How is this hook?___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
It sounds like a rather bland hook sadly, even if it was reworded into a more succinct form of English. Give me a day or two and I'll try to help out with possible alternative hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I apologize for the late reply. While I mostly came up with a blank, I did think of one suggestion: I found it interesting that the book seemed to have been at least partly inspired by both the election of Trump and the author's breakup with her husband. Perhaps a hook based on either or both might work? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:01, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5 How is this hook?____CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 09:08, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It's a hookier hook, but due to possible BLP concerns as well as the Trump mention I think we may need a second opinion on its appropriateness. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:19, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 9[edit]

Ivan Golunov

Created by Kirill Samredny (talk) and Alexander Davronov (talk). Nominated by Anomalous+0 (talk) at 14:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. No QPQ needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I find the article very one-sided and hardly start-class. It seems to have been written for the express purpose of reporting a news story. I removed the POV language and would like to see some response from the police, not just that they were forced to back down. If more information about the subject, Golunov, is not available and he is in fact a WP:1E subject, you may want to rename the page for a broader study of the arrests and allegations of police abuse of power. Yoninah (talk) 20:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • It has been over 3 weeks since my post. If these issues are not addressed by August 20, this nomination will be closed as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Hi! Thanks for your efforts and attention. I believe we can close this nomination safely. The article still needs additional polishing, fixing some things, and adding others.
may want to rename the page
The subject's (Golunov) case was primarily documented to make a record of at least one case of a long range of serious rights violations related to made-up drug-charges in Russia. The case drew a lot attention from the public and may not be overlooked. I would be good basis to refer to when writing article about Human Rights situation in Russia generally.
and would like to see some response from the police
Well the police dropped charges due to lack of credible evidences and there is also continuing investigation against cops. So there is almost nothing to say about that. Except of course that 2 colonels were fired after reveal of fake charges. DAVRONOVA.A. 15:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Alexander Davronov: OK, I looked at it again and did some editing to bring it up to start-class. The only problem I see is the referencing. This is not the Russian Wikipedia; the sources should be formatted with "trans-title" titles so we English speakers can understand what they say. I formatted some of the English ones. Please see WP:Citation templates. Yoninah (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: the sources should be formatted Yeah I know. I've primarily contributed to the preamble and didn't touch the rest of the article. Almost all sources I've used are in English. The rest of the article was written by another Russian guy who used Russian sources. I hope he will fix the rest. DAVRONOVA.A. 07:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 10[edit]

Vicky Knight

  • ALT2: ... that Vicky Knight has said that all the tears she wept during the production of her debut film were real?
  • ALT3: ... that in an interview with BBC, Vicky Knight said that her debut film has changed her life completely?
  • ALT4: ... that Vicky Knight, who played an acid-attack victim in her debut film role, set up a charity to help burns victims?
  • ALT5: ... that the actress Vicky Knight also works as a healthcare assistant in the hospital were she was treated as a child?

Created/expanded by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 23:40, 10 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Length and currency: 1529 prose characters, so just meets the threshold; new enough.
  • Sourced: All claims in the article are sourced.
  • Hook: There is no mention of the subject having breakdowns on set in the article text, and it seems exploitative to use a living person's physical injuries and mental health issues to get DYK clicks in any case.
  • Article: Poorly composed and has grammatical errors. It only mentions the subject being in a fire and her role in one film; there is no other information at all, not even a date or year of birth, place of birth, etc.
  • Copyvio: The text is ok, Earwig pick up the quotes, but they have been cited. The image is not Creative Commons and is under discussion as a likely CopyVio.
  • QPQ: done
  • Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg I don't think this should go through because the article is not complete or well-rounded enough, Rule D7. A biography should do more than just mention two events (the fire and the film role) that the subject was involved with. I'll leave it for a second opinion though.Felixkrater (talk) 05:40, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Coming here for a second opinion. I have to agree that the state of the article is not good enough for DYK at this time. Even if you do ignore the content issues, right now there are several typos and grammatical errors, meaning the article needs a copyedit. But more importantly, there seems to be too much weight given to the fire incident, while almost ignoring other aspects about her life and career. Thus, I have to concur with Felix's concerns regarding D7. @CAPTAIN MEDUSA: I will give you ten days to address the article issues; the nomination will be marked for closure as unsuccessful if you will be unable to do so. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:11, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, I am working on it. Give me one more day.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:05, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. Pinging Felixkrater to return to the nomination to complete the review. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Note that I am opposed to the currently proposed hook due to BLP concerns. A more neutral hook is needed. Narutolovehinata5 tc csdnew 00:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
How about, "that Vicky Knight has said that all the tears she wept during the production of her debut film were real"? DS (talk) 22:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @CAPTAIN MEDUSA:, @Narutolovehinata5:, I have had another look and have copy edited it re grammar and writing style, but there are still a number of problems:
  • CopyVio The image used is not under Creative Commons license and it is under discussion as a likely copyright vio.
  • Incomplete information -
  • 1. It says she was named "Student of the Year", but no mention of which FE College she went to, or what she studied.
  • 2. You mention a Ronnie Springer who saved the children, but no mention of who he was. I think he was one of the pub's customers from one of your sources, but you need to say and ref that; just naming someone with no explanation of who they are creates confusion.
  • 3. You have given a year of birth, but you don't make it specifically clear how old she was when the fire happened, and you don't specifically say that it was her cousins who were killed in the fire, although all of this info is given in the sources you found. This is important, basic info. You need to flesh the story about the pub fire a bit more - it looks a bit odd to just say "she fell asleep" in the pub, when she was staying, or being baby-sat, or living (which one?) with her grandfather. Were the children alone in the flat?
  • 4. I heard her being interviewed on the BBC a few weeks ago, and her "day job" is working as a care assistant in the hospital burns unit where she was treated. I think that is important info that should be included. It is probably in your sources, or you could do further research to find a source.
  • Hook - As already noted, the hook is exploitative and too negative. The one suggested by DS above is also too negative. Something around the charity she set up, or the fact that she works where she was treated would be better.
  • Final point - Can you please spend more time preparing your articles before nominating them for DYK. English doesn't seem to be your first language, so with any article you write, you need to get someone you know to review it or ask the Project Guild of Editors to look at it. Felixkrater (talk) 08:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Felixkrater, all of the issues have been fixed.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 20:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi @CAPTAIN MEDUSA:, that is much better. I've given it another copy edit and added ALT4 and ALT5 hooks above. I'm not sure about leaving the photo in the article when it hasn't been confirmed that it is fair use. I'll leave this now for someone else to approve or comment on. Felixkrater (talk) 06:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to complete the review here; previous reviewer is leaving this for someone new. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:48, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 17[edit]

Bookworm (insect)

  • ... that bookworms are not actually worms, but various types of insects. Source: Britannica
    • ALT1:... that bookworms are not actually worms, and may be people too? Source: here
    • ALT2:... ... that bookworms are not actually worms, but various types of insects and may be people too? Sources:Id.

5x expanded by LizzieMack (talk), 7&6=thirteen (talk), Arjayay (talk), Clovermoss (talk), Plantdrew (talk), BabbaQ (talk), Escape Orbit (talk), Northamerica1000 (talk), AmericanAir88 (talk), and AuthorAuthor (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 16:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC) at 16:23, 20 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: While I did edit the article, I wasn't a huge part in the expansion. All 3 of my edits were relatively minor: capitalizing the first letter of the short description, adding a line break so an image file wouldn't mess up a section heading and fixing a misspelling (contary to contrary). Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think my inclusion is all that important among all of these other editors who contributed so much more to actual content expansion. Clovermoss (talk) 17:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I included all of the recent contributors. It takes a village to raise a child. Credited those who helped to improve it in the recent campaign! WP:DYK is not a Zero sum game. 7&6=thirteen () 17:01, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Comment Okay, I'm okay with your explanation. I usually try to improve the TAFI if I'm around and I can, but I take no issue with recognizing every recent contributer; gradual improvements by numerous editors is one of the reasons I like TAFI so much. Clovermoss (talk) 17:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
I totally agree. WP:TAFI Having the community get together and collaborate! It's a Barn raising in the finest sense. 7&6=thirteen () 17:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Sorry folks, this article is an expansion of an existing article and does not meet DYK requirements in that it has not been expanded five-fold. It was 1060 characters before expansion and is currently 3637, so it has way to go! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:14, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
User:Cwmhiraeth When I moninated it, it was much larger. Thereafter material was removed. I'll try to expand it. 7&6=thirteen () 13:36, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
It has been over three weeks with no work on expanding the article; the minimum expanded size is 5300 prose characters, which means an extra 1663 characters need to be added. It will be a month on 12 August, a week from now; if nothing has happened by then, this will be marked for closure. I hope we see some progress soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:42, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg There have been no edits in the past nine days, and no additions for over a month. Marking for closure as unsuccessful; 5x expansion has not been achieved (only about 3.5x). BlueMoonset (talk) 14:43, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 18[edit]

Arizona Miner

Created by MB (talk). Self-nominated at 00:41, 19 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough, long enough, is neutral and generally well sourced. It relies heavily on the Library of Congress' article on the newspaper, a reliable source, but at times copies too much directly from the article - Earwig's copyvio detector shows the problematic sections. There are also a few direct quotes which do not make clear who is being quoted - it appears the quote is from the cited publication, rather than an individual, so would be better reworded to reduce the concerns about similarity. The hook is interesting and appropriate, but it appears that McCormick was not strictly Secretary of State, but held the equivalent position of Territorial Secretary - this could easily be reworded. QPQ has been completed. Warofdreams talk 12:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Warofdreams, I ran Earwig again with the direct quotes removed and it says "violation unlikely". I don't see anything else of concern - a few sentence fragments here and there.
The second quote "combative and racist perspective that made itself known through his often aggressive and biting criticism of others" is from the LOC article and is attributed, by the citation, to the article (not to any individual).
The third quote, within this sentence: Marion intended the Miner to be both "The Official Paper of Arizona" and an "Organ of the White People of Arizona." are the words of author Lyon and the quote is cited to his book.
The first quote comes from this: "According to William H. Lyon in Those Old Yellow Dog Days: Frontier Journalism in Arizona, 1859-1912, McCormick established the paper as 'the creature of the new territorial government.'" I'm not sure from this if "the creature of the new territorial government" was said by McCormick (maybe) or Lyon (probably). I'm not going to make an assumption. If a reader wants to know more they would have to obtain Lyon's book (which is the citation).
So I don't really see anything that needs to be changed. MB 03:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Your text: "Marion was a "proud Democrat", a heavy drinker with a "combative and racist perspective that made itself known through his often aggressive and biting criticism of others". Marion intended the Miner to be both "The Official Paper of Arizona" and an "Organ of the White People of Arizona." "
The source: "Marion was known for being a proud Democrat, a staunch defender of Arizona, a true "frontier" editor, and his own man; but Marion was also known to be a heavy drinker with a combative and racist perspective that made itself known through his often aggressive and biting criticism of others. Lyon made note of this when he wrote that Marion intended the Miner to be both "The Official Paper of Arizona" and an "Organ of the White People of Arizona." "
This is the biggest example, but there are others. It's easy to accidentally copy too much of the style and order of the original along with appropriately sources quotes, but these definitely need fixing. Warofdreams talk 10:34, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 21[edit]

Oregon House Bill 2020

  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: The situation isn't resolved yet, so this count may change and there might be new hooks added at a later date.

Created by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 07:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - biased hooks, see comment
  • Other problems: Red XN - It is this reviewer's view that the hooks advocate one side of the issue over the other side of the issue, as such it should not be approved.

QPQ: Red XN - Not done

Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg Please see WP:DYKNOT:

A means of advertising, or of promoting commercial or political causes. While it is fine to cover topics of commercial or political interest, DYK must not provide inappropriate advantage for such causes (e.g. during election campaigns or product launches).

I believe that the author of this article is well intentioned but given the topic is a current political controversy, it shouldn't be approved. RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 01:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I have to disagree with the assessment of this article and entry as promoting a political cause. It's reporting on the contents of the bill and its relation with the walkout (which is covered in its own article) and doesn't really have enough detail at the moment to have a substantial lean in either direction. SounderBruce 05:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
I also disagree. The hooks are entirely factual and one need not commit bothsidesism to be neutral, they do not advocate for anything. The article is well sourced and not promotional, and that is malfeasance to disapprove due to it being a "controversy", this certainly not being in the middle of a campaign. Reywas92Talk 18:19, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg The article is in need of an update, as events have proceeded and the Republican senators have returned and are voting again. The original hook's use of "fled" is questionable when considering POV: this was a choice to leave (or fail to show up for work) to prevent quorum from being attained, and they subsequently had to evade the state police after the governor sent the state police after them. (Were any of them apprehended?) Absent an update, the article is not sufficiently complete to qualify for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 23[edit]

Love Not Money

  • ... that Love Not Money is the most overtly-politicised album recorded by the British band Everything but the Girl? Source:"Tracey:"It's our most overtly-politicized set of lyrics—some good, some a bit crass". [11]
    • ALT1:... that themes of British band Everything but the Girl's 1985 album Love Not Money include sexism, social and economic stratification, and The Troubles in Northern Ireland? Source: "They also upped the ante in their songwriting, tackling a range of issues from the Irish troubles to the troubles of movie star Frances Farmer, with lots of criticism of the stratification and sexism of the current social and economic system thrown in." [12]
    • ALT2:... that a reviewer described the song "Sean" from British band Everything but the Girl's 1985 album Love Not Money as "Celtic kitsch" that is "so ham-fisted you'll cringe"? Source: "The murky, cavernous stuff assumes that droning on depressively is the best way to handle weighty topics, and some of the new touches, like the Celtic kitsch of "Sean", with ultra-kitschy tin flute, are so ham-fisted you'll cringe." [[13]]

5x expanded by Baffle gab1978 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:33, 27 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article has been expanded enough, is long enough, and has no copyright violations. The Track listing section and its subsections plus the Personnel section needs to be referenced. SL93 (talk) 02:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • yellow tickY Partly done; I've reffed the track list from Amazon. I cannot find the 1995 reissue on Amazon; I'm looking elsewhere for it. Am I allowed to use discogs.org as a reference for the tracklist? Baffle☿gab 03:15, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, @SL93:, I'll take a look at this and fix the refs in the next few days. This is my first DYK nom;

QPQ  Done: Template:Did you know nominations/Warming stripes. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 06:11, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Comment: thanks for doing the QPQ review, Baffle gab1978. QPQs are always welcome, though per the rules not required until an editor has five DYK credits, so not actually required on your first DYK nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
No problem; it's as well I start early... :D I'll get this properly reffed tonight. Cheers, 21:39, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • From searching the Reliable sources noticeboard, I saw Discogs isn't considered reliable since it it user edited. SL93 (talk) 03:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks; I guess I'll have to remove or hide that section until it can be referenced. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 01:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 24[edit]

Harry Buckwitz

Städtische Bühnen Frankfurt
Städtische Bühnen Frankfurt
  • Reviewed: Guðrún Björnsdóttir
  • Comment: The building was opened during his tenure, instead of the opera house and play house destroyed in the war. - Sorry for a day late.

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:02, 2 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Hook is interesting. Building image is free-use with Freedom of Panorama permitted in Germany. New article (missed by a day). Hook cited in German AGF'ed and sufficiently referenced. Length is ok. My question is the slight discrepancy for a link between the hook and the article. The hook links to Mutter Courage (Mother Courage), a character. The article, on the other hand, links to Mutter Courage und ihre Kinder (Mother Courage and her Children), a play. So which one is it? OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:43, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the review, and oops, - I fixed the link, but left the title short, for less German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Can you confirm this sentence is sourced? "His appointment there led to a fierce controversy with the journalist Hans Habe, who accused him of having once been a henchman of Adolf Hitler, in an article for the newspaper Welt am Sonntag" OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
It is in the ref after the following sentence, Die Zeit. The section was translated before I got to the article, probable because it was better sourced than others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 27[edit]

Samragyee RL Shah

5x expanded by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 12:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article was more than 5x expanded and has no copyright violations. Everything is reliable cited including the hook. The hook is interesting. A QPQ is still needed. SL93 (talk) 18:25, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
The article also probably needs a copyedit: I can see some typo errors and awkwardly-constructed phrases in the article, such as In 2019, Shah is currently working on Maruni, where will be portraying a role of trans woman. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:55, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I've done some cleanup; there are a couple of awkward phrasings that are quoted as given. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
  • SL93, have your issues been addressed now, and have Narutolovehinata5's as well? It's been nearly three weeks since the review began; it would be nice to know where things stand. Thanks for taking another look. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:02, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
The first sentence of the "Early life and personal life" section could be reworded. "Shah was born on... She was born to..."; those sentences could probably be combined. There's also a missing space before "The film became a huge box office success". The quote Shah was ranked tenth in the list "Top 10 Women and Men of the Year" sounds weird to me, but I'm not very familiar with Indian English grammar so I'm not sure if that's how such sentences are worded in Nepal. The phrase "but Gurung left the project after Shah overtook her" needs to be clarified: overtook in terms of what? Finally, the mention of the film Rato Teeka Nidharma: has that film been released yet? It's in the 2018 section but that part is still in the future tense. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5,  Done i've fixed the error's raised above.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 29[edit]

Gara Medouar, Tasghîmût, Paul Pascon

Created by Drmies (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Note: I am in conversation with Dr. Capel, author of the main source for the article, about getting permission to use her photographs. They are SPECTACULAR. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg These three articles are new enough and long enough. The articles are neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. Three QPQs have been done. The hook is currently unsatisfactory. In trying to accommodate the names of the three articles, it has become convoluted. Why not mention Paul Pascon and his study of Gara Medouar first, but it is awkward fitting everything in, especially if you want to include The Mummy. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:59, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Cwmhiraeth, I didn't see you had commented here. I have not yet heard from Dr. Capel, so let's not wait any longer. What we could do is split them up, and give Pascon his own hook--just cut him out altogether:
  • ALT1 ... that the set for The Mummy (1999) was built at Gara Medouar, an 11th-c fortress on a rock plateau near Sijilmassa, Morocco, which resembles the 12th-c fortress Tasghîmût near Marrakesh?
  • ALT2 ... that archaeologist Paul Pascon was a pied-noir whose devotion to the situation of Moroccan peasants led him to adopt the Moroccan nationality? Drmies (talk) 16:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I have numbered the new hooks, ALT1 and ALT2. ALT2 is fine, but I have problems identifying the hook facts in ALT1 in the articles. If you want to use ALT1, the Gara Medouar article will need to state that Tasghîmût fortress resembles it, or you could make a similar statement in the Tasghîmût article referring to Gara Medouar. Additionally, you need a citation in each article for the dates the forts were built, if you are going to mention these in the hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Cwmhiraeth. Dates are in the articles--both in the lead and in the body (Gara_Medouar#Date_of_occupation and Tasghîmût#Location_and_history). The resemblance is noted in the Tasghimut article ("The site, which also has evidence of neolithic occupation, resembles Jebel Mudawwar, as an oval, rocky plateau cut through by ravines, overlooking a surrounding plain. Like Jebel Mudawwar it has defensive lines that follow..."). Drmies (talk) 17:56, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Drmies: If you can add the Tasghîmût comparison information to the Gara Medouar article, I could give this nomination a tick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Kerstin von Lingen

  • ... that Kerstin von Lingen wrote her PhD thesis on the war crimes trial of Field Marshal Albert Kesselring? Source: "1999-2001: wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin im SFB 437 "Kriegserfahrungen" in Tübingen, Thema: "Konstruktion von Kriegserfahrung. Der Prozess gegen Feldmarschall Albert Kesselring vor einem britischen Militärgericht". 2002-2003: Abschluß der Promotion, Rigorosum 29.7.2003" [18]

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg In addition to the source not being independent, the result of using the CV so thoroughly is that the prose reads very much like a list. An article should go beyond a list of positions or publications. For example, what influenced her work? How has she revised or expanded on existing scholarship? Additional sources will help with this. Kim Post (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Good idea. Let me know when you have them, and I will incorporate them into the article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Book reviews might be the most straightforward independent sources here.[19][20][21][22] Or, perhaps her own commentary on her work in front matter.[23] Kim Post (talk) 23:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 30[edit]

Nicholas Emery

Created by Alphalfalfa (talk). Self-nominated at 17:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Unfortunately, this article is neither new nor expanded 5x. On June 12, its size was 1,835 bytes and its current size is 6,045 bytes. Almost the entire byte size of the article is prose. Therefore, without further expansion, this article is ineligible. Ergo Sum 17:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Considering it seems relatively close to hitting 5x (it only needs an additional amount of bytes), I'd say we could probably give the nomination another chance. Also note that as far as I'm aware, the 5x requirement actually refers to prose content, not byte content. Prior to the nom's first edit, the article was at around 500 characters; it's at around the 2100 mark. Thus, the article only needs about 400 characters more to be eligible. With that said, the nom hasn't been active since the day after the nomination, so if this is to proceed, the remaining expansion needs to be done as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:41, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg Marking again for closure. The nominator has not edited since the day of the nomination and has been unable to return despite a talk page message. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg As far as I can tell, this is a merged version of two articles. The first, by BD2412, was created in Draft space on August 27, 2015, and stayed there for nearly four years, with various edits being made in that period. The second, by Alphalfalfa, was created in mainspace on June 30, 2019. Later on June 30, BD2412 brought the new Alphalfalfa article briefly into Draft space, merged the contents of the two articles (and their histories), and moved the combined article back into mainspace.
If I have this history correct (hoping BD2412 can give a definitive answer), then the article's first appearance in mainspace was on June 30, the day this was nominated, and it would then count as a new nomination. Under the circumstances, the nomination should remain open for the present, and if I'm correct, at 2194 prose characters, it is more than long enough to qualify as a new-to-mainspace article. Whether Alphalfalfa is currently editing only becomes relevant if issues are found with the article or hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:36, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  • That is correct, the article was originally in draftspace, and the draftspace content and history were merged up to the mainspace article once that was created. Ideally, the author of the mainspace article should have checked for a draft first, and made their edits to the draft, but the result is the same. Either way, the article did not exist in mainspace at all until June 30. bd2412 T 02:41, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg BD2412, thank you. New full review needed of nomination, since it is both new enough when nominated and long enough to qualify for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Not exactly a major issue, but there's no source in the article for the date of death. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:44, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  • There is now; one of the sources already there had the information. Rather than nickel and dime this, can we have a new full review, please? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:23, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I will do a full review.

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ref quoting one million acres is incomplete- page is missing "AGF" (assume good faith) may be entered if hook it cited to an offline source--->
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: ????
Overall: Symbol question.svg minor problems, needs a small amt of work. I do like this article to become a DYK. Wuerzele (talk) 16:31, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

sorry I cant get the table to show up properly- I labored on this for 30 min now... will notify editor.Wuerzele (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Wuerzele, use of the DYK checklist is entirely optional. You can just write out your comments on the various criteria manually. That said, when the instructions say put "y", what they means is to use the letter or symbol that's in the quotes, but without the quotes themselves. I've taken the liberty of removing the quotes on the right side of the equal signs in the template, and that seems to have made a major difference for the better. The big question marks are items that you still need to check and fill in (plagiarismfree and qpq). BlueMoonset (talk) 05:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 1[edit]

Kim Kardashian, Superstar

Created by Vistadan (talk). Nominated by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) at 14:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The archived hiphoppress.com source seems historically valuable (within the context of Kim Kardashian's life story), but I doubt we can take its claims at face value. The source is a press release by Vivid Entertainment published on hiphoppress.com, with the site acting as a newswire. Vivid, of course, acquired and distributed the tape, making them a primary (and likely unreliable) source. There is also conflicting information: per the article, Ian Halperin has alleged that Kim and her mother leaked the tape to Vivid, which sounds like it conflicts with Vivid's narrative of purchasing it from a third party.
So we have two apparently conflicting versions of events: either a third party sold the tape to Vivid for a million dollars, or the Kardashians leaked it to Vivid themselves. Both versions of events are disputed. I don't know what the basis for Halperin's claims are, but I know Vivid is not a disinterested secondary source—they're an involved party with a likely conflict of interest. I think it would be better to develop an alternate hook, and the article itself could be bulked up with more info. For instance, I imagine there are sources out there providing details about the tape's commercial success? —BLZ · talk 00:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
A drive-by comment, but I strongly suggest that the hook be reworded due to BLP concerns, and also because Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
What do you propose the hook be changed to? I've added an alt that changes "sex tape" to "pornographic film" if that was the BLP concern? Vistadan 14:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
I suppose that might be a better option, but it might still be too "tabloidy" for my tastes. Pinging reviewer Brandt Luke Zorn for their thoughts. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I think using the term "sex tape" is probably OK, honestly. It may sound colloquial or even inappropriate, but it does accurately describe the contents or "genre" of the tape, since "celebrity sex tape" is its own distinct category of porn. "Pornographic film", on the other hand, may sound more formal but is starched of all meaning and specificity. Plus it may even misleadingly suggest that the tape was made in a "professional" production context, which could be a BLP concern in the opposite direction: a "pornographic film" is filmed with the intention that it will be distributed, and we don't want to suggest that a video filmed in a private setting was professionally "produced" (it wasn't) or that it was planned to be distributed at the time of filming (it doesn't seem that way, but that's apparently in dispute at the least).
My issue is more about the questionable grounding of the "fact" in the hook. It's not wrong to say, in the article, that Vivid claimed to have paid $1 million for the tape. It's true that they made that claim, and the cited press release is adequate . But there is a dispute about what really happened (according to the Halperin book, anyway), and the hook relies on a primary source from an involved party with a conflict-of-interest as to how the events are represented, i.e., the press release is not an objective secondhand account of "what really happened". Based on the various sources in the article at the moment and the conflicting accounts, I would not be comfortable using any fact about what happened leading up to the tape's distribution.
On the other hand, I'm not sure which alternate "fact" from the article I would choose for a hook at present. What I do suspect is that the article subject matter is big enough that it could be expanded. It is, after all, one of the most notorious videos of the last 20 years, and one that eventually propelled Kim to an almost unprecedented level of superstardom in the history of celebrity culture. It's been discussed and written about endlessly, which means there must be a sturdier fact out that could be used. For example, just off the top of my head as a Kanye fan, I recall that his line "My girl a superstar all from a home movie" from "Clique" is an allusion to the tape (see e.g. [26]). I'm sure Kanye's mentioned it elsewhere, whether in his lyrics or in interviews or both. There's also Ray J's "I Hit It First". Neither of those songs are mentioned in this article, which means there's more to talk about and more that could be used as a hook out there. —BLZ · talk 20:08, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

John Deane (sailor)

  • ... that John Deane and his crew of the Nottingham Galley cannibalised in desperation the ship's deceased carpenter when the ship wrecked on Boon Island in 1710?
    • ALT1:... that the British sailor and diplomat John Deane, was accused of accepting a considerable bribe in exchange for the surrender of the two Swedish vessels whilst captaining a Russian Navy frigate, with his initial sentence reduced by Peter the Great and further exonerated by Fyodor Apraksin?

Created by D.j.atherton (talk). Self-nominated at 11:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg The article meets DYK requirements, meets sourcing requirements, the hook fact is interesting and is mentioned inline and verified. Nominator has no prior DYK credits so no QPQ is required. Earwigs detects some close paraphrasing with this source, which will need to be addressed before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing Narutolovehinata5 - can you possibly confirm whether the close paraphrasing is an issue with the hook fact or the article? I am aware there was an issue with the article that has since been resolved with the help of another user. Thanks for your help! D.J.A (talk) 10:47, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@D.j.atherton: It was with the article. There were some sentences that appear to have been missed from the rewrite. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:48, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: thanks for the clarification! It has hopefully been cleaned up as necessary - earwig report is now at 5%. Hopefully that's alright? Thanks, D.J.A (talk) 11:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks, I think this should be good to go now. Earwigs still has a score of 23% for another source, but the common statements are so short that I think WP:LIMITED applies. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg I note that there are some unsourced paragraphs, some closing sentences to paragraphs that are uncited, and that ALT1 is far too long for a hook? Spokoyni (talk) 20:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Oof, thanks for pointing that out Spokoyni, somehow missed those unsourced paragraphs. But I saw in a recent DYK nomination that the rule only requires at least one reference per paragraph and these can be anywhere in the paragraph (even at the start), though I'd guess this is aside from BLPs or other controversial topics such as politics and medicine. @D.j.atherton: Can you please try lookig for references for the paragraphs without citations? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
No problem, I've missed some obvious things in reviews and wondered how I managed to do so. Easily done. Wikipedia:Inline citation (particularly Wikipedia:CITEDENSE) and Wikipedia:When to cite are pretty generally worded guidelines, probably the most relevant bit is "Everything in [a] paragraph [that] deals with the same, single subject from the same source ... can ... be supported by a single inline citation. The inline citation could be placed at any sensible location, but the end of the paragraph is the most common choice." The only concern with not putting it at the end of a paragraph is I think that someone might come along and wonder if everything that follows after the cite in a paragraph is from a different source, or has no source at all. But it looks like there's no hard rule in wiki generally, and that the DYK rules only state that the hook fact must be cited in the sentence it appears in, and the "rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph". Spokoyni (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi both, Spokoyni and Narutolovehinata5, I have made clearer the sourcing so there shouldn't be any paragraphs left un-sourced. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help this! Thanks both of you! D.J.A (talk) 10:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi D.J.A, good work! At the moment the first paragraph of "Early life" and the second paragraph of "Personal life and retirement" still don't seem to have any cites. There's also a few paragraphs that have no cites at the end. As discussed above, that isn't necessarily a problem, though some users might tag these as uncited. It's up to you if you want to leave them as they are. Spokoyni (talk) 10:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Spokoyni, I'd overlooked those two paragraphs obviously! I see what you mean about the few paragraphs without a citation at the end but I think, unless anyone does flag it as an issue, the current amount are pretty concise? — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.j.atherton (talkcontribs) 10:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
General wikipedia guidelines are pretty relaxed (see above), so if you'd prefer to keep it as it is, that I don't think that should stand in the way of promotion. Of course Narutolovehinata5 is the reviewer here, I'm just chiming in with some thoughts. I'd only say you might have to be prepared to deal with that at some point, possibly while it is on the main page, as articles tend to get a lot of external scrutiny. Spokoyni (talk) 10:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
The rules do require at least one reference per paragraph for DYK articles, so this can't be promoted until that's addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:26, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 3[edit]

Robert Michael Forde

Trypanosoma parasites in blood
Trypanosoma parasites in blood

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 11:25, 8 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article needs to cite the specific page(s) of the Baker 1995 article (I assume p. 5 for the sentence corresponding to the hook). The hook probably also needs a small rewrite, because it's currently ambiguous and might imply that Forde discovered that they were the causes of sleeping sickness, which seems to be incorrect according to the sources. I would suggest something like, "... that Robert Michael Forde made the first observation of Trypanosoma parasites (pictured), the causes of sleeping sickness, in human beings?" Otherwise this seems good: Created (and expanded) within 7 days of nomination and article is long enough and adequately sourced. I corrected some small issues with style. The image is PD and good quality. No issues on Earwig. —Nizolan (talk) 00:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 4[edit]

Jewish Democratic Committee

  • ... that the Jewish Democratic Committee and the Romanian Communist Party colluded to send indoctrinated Romanian Jews into Israel, in the hope that they would influence Israeli policies? Source: Oțoiu, pp. 202–203; Lazăr, p. 197 also mentions a transport of communist-indoctrinated Romanian Jews
    • ALT1:... that anti-Zionism as espoused by the Jewish Democratic Committee was "unacceptable for a majority of Jews in Romania", leading some of its own members to apply for emigration to Israel? Source: Quote in Bottoni, p. 268; one example of Committee leaders (in Suceava County) applying for emigration is in Lazăr, pp. 207–208
    • ALT2:... that the Jewish Democratic Committee went from embracing a Labor Zionist wing in 1945 to organizing a pro-communist clampdown on Labor Zionism in 1949? Source: For the full list of Labor Zionist groups admitted into the Committee in 1945, see Crăciun, p. 176; for the sharing of an electoral ticket with Labor Zionists, see Nastasă, p. 181; for the clampdown, see Kuller, pp. 144–145

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 20:50, 7 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg 5x expanded, long enough, ALT0 doesn't seem particularly neutral but ALTs 1 and 2 are within policy. Hooks are formatted correctly, but I can't seem to find where in the article these statements appear? QPQ done, no image. @Dahn: all it needs is for the hook statements to be in the prose. Wug·a·po·des​ 02:35, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi and thanks. I'm not sure what you mean about ALT0: there are numerous sources attesting that fact (as the article notes, this plan was the topic of popular jokes: "At this stage, the PCR was viewing immigration as a potential asset, since an indoctrinated Romanian Jewish colony could bring Palestine, and subsequently Israel, into the Eastern bloc, ensuring that government was formed by the Hebrew Communists.[85] Its design was picked up on by the general public, and universally ridiculed: "A widely circulated anecdote had the emigrating Jews throwing their party cards overboard once the ship left [its] Romanian port".[9]"), and the hook is a statement of facts. I'm also unsure about what neutrality we're supposed to achieve in describing the absurd actions of a totalitarian state -- I mean sure, we don't use epithets or drivel against it, but we're surely not supposed to go out of our way to ignore the scope of its action (and neither is there a requirement that we should do so). I would really urge you to reconsider, because I frankly feel it is the most interesting of the hooks.
    ALT1 actually has the statement verbatim in the article: if you search within the text, without the quote marks, you'll find this exact sequence (it's part of a larger quote: "According to historian Stefano Bottoni, it marked "the first visible sign of a failed compromise, whose bases — namely, that party members were to drop their 'strong' Jewish identity, while the petty and middle bourgeoisie were to be economically ruined — had been proven as unacceptable for a majority of Jews in Romania.""); there are now several references to Committee members applying for emigration -- "The regime was much embarrassed when, in May 1950, the CDE's top echelons in Suceava County submitted requests for emigration, and again in September, when Zelțer-Sărățeanu was booed by Unirea Sfântă congregants for speaking out against emigration.[157] Northern Transylvanian cities also experienced the mass emigration of CDE members, including all the party hierarchy in Năsăud.[60]"
    ALT2 refers to two facts, one of which is discussed and sourced throughout the article, and the other discussed in particular in the whole section "Labour Zionist schism"; for both clauses together, see for instance: "A return to officially sanctioned anti-Zionist violence was made in November 1948, when Police raided the Jewish National Fund, detaining its leader Leon Itzcar on charges of contraband; this campaign was fully endorsed by Unirea, who referred to Zionists as "blackmarketeers" and "disrupters of the socialist economy".[113] During December, CDE squads stormed into the Bucharest offices of the ten remaining Zionist organisations,[114][115] including Mishmar, Ihud, Bnei Akiva, and HaOved HaTzioni. The latter two in particular mounted resistance,[116] with publicised incidents which prompted communist authorities order a truce. At least seen officer had been returned to Zionist ownership by 6 December.[115] In the aftermath, PCR internal documents criticised the CDE for being "hamfisted".[117]" Dahn (talk) 04:55, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 8[edit]

2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup Final

  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: I plan on writing a separate article on the 2007 final soon, which would be worked in using ALT1.

5x expanded by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 07:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Few issues with this one SounderBruce, I see no copyvio issues, and the article meets the requirements in terms of age and length. Needs QPQ. I do have a few issues with the hooks. The main hook seems pretty arbitrary - why is the sixth time important?
Alt1 mentions it's the same teams, probably should say it's the same national teams, as it's not the same XI.
alt2 I prefer it to say they competed in both finals on the same day. Their results are not really important for the hook. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I have inserted a question mark above to make it clear that a review has been done. Flibirigit (talk) 00:49, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Hassan Maatouk

Maatouk training with Lebanon in 2018
Maatouk training with Lebanon in 2018

Improved to Good Article status by Nehme1499 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC).

  • I am not here to review but just want to suggest: ALT2B:... that, at a cost of earned $900,000 for three years with Al Ansar FC, Hassan Maatouk (pictured) is the most expensive transferred player in Lebanese history? Source: Kooora
    Cheers! –MJLTalk 23:54, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
@MJL: The problem is that "most expensive transferred player" would make it sound as if the club had payed $900,000 over three years to his previous club. The "record" is just related to the player's wage. Nehme1499 (talk) 00:46, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@Nehme1499: Good point. I'll withdraw that hook suggestion. Face-smile.svgMJLTalk 00:54, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I came here to review this, but before doing so, I'm just wondering: @Nehme1499: Is there no known information about Maatouk's personal life? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:16, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I’m not sure what aspects of his personal life could be considered notable or interesting. He has a wife and a child, but I know that from social media. Not sure what you would be looking for here. Nehme1499 (talk) 00:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Many biographies have a "Personal life" section which mentions basic information about their non-professional lives, such as family members or other aspects. The article didn't seem to have one when I checked, which is why I asked. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Ah ok I see, I thought you had suggested using a fact from his personal life as an alternative hook for the nomination. I will add a “Personal life” section in case I were able to find something. Nehme1499 (talk) 00:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 9[edit]

Städtische Bühnen Frankfurt

Opern- und Schauspielhaus Frankfurt in 2014
Opern- und Schauspielhaus Frankfurt in 2014

Converted from a redirect by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 08:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Gerda Arendt: New and long enough, QPQ done. Earwig detects no copyvios, unsuprisingly since most of the sources are in German. Second to last paragraph lacks a cite. The hook is a bit strightforward; a better hook might be based on the current structure incorporating elements of the old structure that was bombed out in WWII. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 01:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the review! I added the official website as a ref.
ALT1: ... that the Städtische Bühnen Frankfurt manage stages for opera and drama in Frankfurt under one roof (pictured), built including the ruins of the bombed play house?
ALT2: ... that the Städtische Bühnen Frankfurt manage stages for opera and drama in Frankfurt under one roof (pictured), after the former separate theatres were bombed in Wold War II?
Better wording welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 11[edit]

Royal christening gown

Edward VIII wearing the gown at his christening.
Edward VIII wearing the gown at his christening.
  • ... that the original royal christening gown, created in 1841, was worn by sixty-two royal babies over 163 years? Source: "The dress was worn by 62 royal babies over the course of its 163 years of royal service. Five monarchs have been baptized in the gown, beginning with Victoria and Albert's first son, the future Edward VII." ([27])
    • ALT1: ... that the royal christening gown, created in 1841, was inspired by the wedding dress of Queen Victoria? Source: "The gown had been inspired by Queen Victoria's own wedding dress, and was made from white silk with a handmade lace overlay." ([28])
    • ALT2: ... that five British monarchs were christened in the same royal christening gown from 1841? Source: "Five monarchs have been baptized in the gown, beginning with Victoria and Albert's first son, the future Edward VII. George V, Edward VIII, George VI and the Queen all wore the white lace dress, as did Prince Charles, Prince William, and Prince Harry." ([29])

Created by Mesmeilleurs (talk). Self-nominated at 23:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC). Previously nominated by DragonflySixtyseven (talk) at 16:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC).


  • Note that I have made a few changes to the article, but none that I see as sufficiently major to render me an unobjective reviewer.
  • Article is long enough and was nominated (twice!) the day it was created, so meets eligibility criteria 1 and 2
  • Suitable references are included to support all the proposed hooks and these facts are cited and referenced in the article. Interesting to a broad audience is subjective, but a gown in use for 163 is unusual and there are plenty of people fascinated by everything Royal, so it is my opinion that eligibility criterion 3 is satisfied
  • Article is not a stub, covers the topic adequately, but I am concerned that the lede is about only the British gown (and the title implies that is the only one) but the article goes on to discuss Swedish and Danish examples. Perhaps a broader lede then a section on the British gown and others on the Danish and Swedish gowns. Mesmeilleurs, what do you think?
  • Earwig rates 5.7% and the commonalities highlighted are brief phrases that are not going to support any copyright / plagiarism claim.
  • So, my only policy concern (eligibility criterion 4) is about the lede / targeting issue - is this about only the British gown, so change the title, or is it broader, so modify the lede / structure?
  • On eligibility criterion 5, I am unsure. The creator, Mesmeilleurs, has only one DYK credit and so is exempt from the QPQ requirement. However, the nominator in the other nomination, DragonflySixtyseven, does have more than five DYK credits. My instinct is that either this proceeds with Mesmeilleurs receiving the sole credit, in which case no QPQ is required, or if DragonflySixtyseven is to receive a nominator credit, a QPQ is needed. BlueMoonset, what do you think?
  • I need to go out now, will come back to this in a few hours and do the hook review, etc... but in the meantime, this is Symbol possible vote.svg going to need some (fairly minor) work. Mesmeilleurs, I am sure this will make it to the front page so don't be discouraged. I almost went with Symbol question.svg but technically the structure / title issue and the (unusual) QPQ situation means that I see it as more than just "an issue" to address. EdChem (talk) 23:59, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • EdChem, my feeling is that the article creator should have a reasonable chance to nominate their own article, and I rather expect that Mandarax felt the same way: Mesmeilleurs created the article at 15:32, and DragonflySixtyseven nominated it 75 minutes later at 16:47. The enthusiasm is nice, but there are seven days to nominate a new article at DYK. I think I'd leave it to Mesmeilleurs as to whether the nomination credit should be shared with DragonflySixtyseven, and that if so (and DragonflySixtyseven wishes credit) DS would indeed need to provide a QPQ. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:58, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm happy for DragonflySixtyseven to share nom credit if they want. I'm also happy to make any changes, etc. so all the criteria are satisfied. Just let me know what I need to do! Thanks, MesmeilleursSay Hey! 11:39, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I just re-arranged the article a little so it wasn't biased towards the British gown, hopefully this is better? I was a little unsure as for what to put in a general intro so it's a bit basic, but I think it's more along the lines of the discussed "broader lede". Also, maybe we could change the hooks to specify that it's the UK gown (e.g. "… that the British royal christening gown was […]")? Also, if DragonflySixtyseven doesn't indicate they want to share nom credit shortly, I'm happy to just proceed with myself as sole nomination credit. Thanks, MesmeilleursSay Hey! 19:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Did a QPQ on "beryllium-8" (if that one's insufficient, I've got others). DS (talk) 15:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Mesmeilleurs, I like the rearrangement, but I do have an issue with the lede stating that there are three families presently using them and then listing four. Also, changing it to four and adding the Dutch to the lede would mean a reference stating that there are, in fact, only four in use would be needed. I'd make the into more general and present the ones we have as examples without asserting how many there are. I agree on modifying the ALTs to include mention of "British". EdChem (talk) 12:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I was unaware at the time that Piratesswoop had added a section on the Dutch gown, and they unfortunately forgot to update the intro. I noticed and I've generalised it, hopefully it's better now. MesmeilleursSay Hey! 17:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Excellent, thanks, Mesmeilleurs. I've made a couple of tweaks, I hope you don't mind. :) EdChem (talk) 11:08, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Updated ALTs

I have struck all the original ALTs as some need modification due to the change in the article focus, and as none incorporate reference to the proposed picture. I am listing modified versions that seem to me to fit with the intent of the originals:
Christening of the future Edward VIII
Christening of the future Edward VIII
Mesmeilleurs and DragonflySixtyseven, I have listed and modified ALTs above given the changed focus of the article. These are suggestions so any tweaks / modifications / objections, etc, please identify or just go ahead and change. I'm not sure about the italicising around pictured, either. I don't think we can identify the picture as Edward VIII as he was, at the time of his christening, His Highness Prince Edward of York. I added "to date" to ALT2a as both Charles, Prince of Wales, and Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, were christened in the 1841 gown and so five monarchs is true now but a total of seven seems likely. Comments / Thoughts? EdChem (talk) 12:36, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm not 100% confident in the PD nature of that photo, I should point out. I know it was published in Edward VIII's coronation book in 1936, and it's plausible that it was published in the 1890s, but I'd really like some proof. (And Pocock died in 1952, so it's not PD-70 yet.) DS (talk) 12:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I've removed that image as the PD status is unclear and have uploaded another, Edward and George Christening.jpg. I got this from the National Portrait Gallery website which allows some images to be used non-commercially on a Creative Commons license, and this one was covered, so I licensed it and uploaded it. It's Edward VIII holding his brother Prince George, Duke of Kent wearing the gown. Of course, we could also submit the nomination without a photo too, if it's too much of a hassle. MesmeilleursSay Hey! 17:11, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────By identifying the photographer as Frederick Ralph, and specifying that he died in 1919, you have revealed that the photo is public domain in almost all nations (including the USA). This supersedes the "CC-non-commercial" license (Mr. Ralph certainly never agreed to have his work licensed as "Creative Commons", since he died over 80 years before it was invented), and I will now transfer it to Commons. DS (talk) 02:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Prince George held by his brother, the future-King Edward VIII
Prince George held by his brother, the future-King Edward VIII
DragonflySixtyseven, thanks for pointing out the licensing / PD issue. I've re-stated the ALTs with the new image – comments / changes welcome, as before, from both of you. EdChem (talk) 11:08, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Summary: As far as I can see, this nomination meets all the criteria for a main page appearance. The article was new enough, long enough, and policy compliant. The hooks are neutral and cited, and I think will be interesting to enough people, especially those with fascination for babies or royalty. D67 has satisfied the QPQ requirement. The image is PD. My only uncertainty is the hook: which to use, what bits to italicise, can it be shortened and made hookier, and what caption to use. I am going to request input at WT:DYK, but am ready to tick with a hook chosen. EdChem (talk) 12:46, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your help on the nomination and the article, EdChem; I really appreciate it. (And everyone else too!) I’m personally inclined towards ALT0a, or maybe a combination of ALT0a and ALT3a? I think it sounds more impressive and eye-catching to say ‘163-year history’ rather than ‘between 1841 and 2004’, but I think the general wording of ALT3a is better than ALT0a. Maybe something like: “… that one royal christening gown was worn by 62 babies (including Prince George, Duke of Kent, pictured in 1903) over its 163-year history?” MesmeilleursSay Hey! 00:32, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Or even omitting George’s name from the hook and having something like “… that one royal christening gown (pictured in 1903) was worn by 62 babies over its 163-year history?”, which might be better if length was a concern. George is mentioned in the caption anyway. MesmeilleursSay Hey! 00:36, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Essex on the Park

Essex on the Park and Hotel Essex
Essex on the Park and Hotel Essex
  • ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was built on a pre-existing ground lease that runs until 2057?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 15:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg A new hook is probably needed, the current one honestly is pretty bland. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:02, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: If that's the case, then if it's okay for you, then this nomination should probably be marked as unsuccessful. Not all articles are meant to be for DYK unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Suggesting a couple of alts. Spokoyni (talk) 08:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that the 57-story Essex on the Park (pictured) was built on a former swimming pool?
  • ALT2 ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was initially planned to be 48 stories tall, though at its completion it stood 57 stories tall?
  • ALT3 ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was initially planned to be 48 stories tall, increasing to 56 stories when construction started, and at its completion stood 57 stories tall?
ALT1 sounds good to me. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm fine with 1.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:54, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A review is still needed for this. If no one else does it within the next few days I'll do it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:28, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article meets newness and length requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, and a QPQ has been found. All hooks except for ALT1 have been struck as lacking interest to broad audiences, and also per the nominator's agreement. There are two minor issues that need to be addressed: while the hook says that the hotel was built on the site of the swimming pool, the article and source only said that the building was planned to be built on that site. The wording in the article needs to be made more explicit that the swimming pool site pushed through. In addition, there's currently a stub template in the article, which needs to be removed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:20, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi @Narutolovehinata5: I have removed the stub template, as it clearly isn't any more.  Done
I have also edited the text a little. I hope it is clearer that both the original plan and the modified plan which was built, were/are next to the original Essex Inn on the site of its former carpark and swimming pool. That is certainly how I read the two sources from 2015 (the original plan) and 2017 (the modified plan).  Done
I hope this helps. RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:15, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 12[edit]

Behold the Sun

Alexander Goehr in 2007
Alexander Goehr in 2007

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC).

User:The Rambling Man is welcome to review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image appears to be appropriately licensed, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. (The lead states that the libretto is by John McGrath while the main text states it was by John McGrath and Goehr. Please resolve this anomaly.) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The phrase "premiered shortened in German" is not main-page ready. Something like "was premiered in an abridged German-language version, but " I was interested to discover that the libretto was actually written in English and then translated into German; do we know whether Goehr set the German translation or did he set the original English and then the German? Or did he set it in both languages at the same time? At any rate, this nomination should not be promoted (or ticked) until the lead/body discrepancy mentioned above has been taken care of. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:43, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the opera Behold the Sun by Alexander Goehr (pictured), about the Anabaptists in Münster, was premiered in an abridged version in German, but the BBC aired it in full in English? - Is "shortened" too short for "in an abridged version"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • You could use "in a shortened version in German" if you don't want to use "abridged", but just "shortened in German" by itself isn't sufficiently clear. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 17[edit]

Assassination of Ali Sayyad Shirazi

Ali Sayyad Shirazi
Ali Sayyad Shirazi

Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 11:09, 19 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svgThe article is new enough, long enough. I moved the NYT times citation to the bottom of the lead to make sure that your hook fact is directly followed by an inline citation. Does not appear to have copyright violations and the article approaches the subject in a neutral manner. I think your hook is okay. There are no problems with it; however, to make the hook more interesting and to get the article more views, you could consider adding that he was assassinated by someone dressed as a street cleaner. It makes the hook more interesting because it is unusual and unexpected. I think this would make the hook much more interesting. Let me know if you agree or disagree. Thanks. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 18:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Skyes(BYU): Thanks for the review and for the suggestion. It's was a brilliant idea which I tried to implement in ALT1 and ALT2. Please see if it's suitable and hooky:
ALT1: ... that Ali Sayyad Shirazi (pictured), the 3rd deputy chief of staff of the Iranian armed forces, was assassinated in 1999 by a Mojahedin-e Khalq agent disguised as a street cleaner? Chicagotribune, New York Times
I also suggest adding Sayyad Shirazi's picture to the nomination. See if it's suitable for inclusion. --Mhhossein talk 11:37, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

LGBT cinema in Latin America

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 13:42, 18 July 2019 (UTC).

  1. ^ "10 great LGBTQ+ films from Latin America". BFI. Retrieved 17 July 2019.
  2. ^ B. Ruby Rich (2013). New Queer Cinema: The Director's Cut. Duke University Press. ISBN 9780822354284.
  • Symbol question.svg Article meets expansion and length requirements, a QPQ has been done, no close paraphrasing was found, and the article is adequately sourced (apart from the List of films section, though I am willing to ignore this provided that the summaries given are sourced in the respective films articles). Both hooks are interesting and cited inline and either could be promoted; however in the case of the first hook, the link appears to only specifically mention the machismo part, but the article instead uses "religious" instead of "Catholic" (which does not appear anywhere in the article). I am assuming good faith for the offline source for hook two. Also, the sentence "Also based on Italian sex comedy, this is the Pornochanchada genre."; since it's the last sentence of its paragraph, would it be possible to find a source or at least a footnote for this statement? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:50, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Zeferino Peña Cuéllar

  • ... that former police chief Zeferino Peña Cuéllar reportedly fled Mexico following an attempt on his life? Source: [Spanish] "Don Zefe habria abandonado el pais tras [el atentado contra su vida] en Nuevo Leon ... Todo hace suponer que el senor Peña esta fuera del pais; sin embargo, la busqueda sigue; el trabajo intenso de la Unidad Contra la Delincuencia Organizada sigue / [English]: "Don Zefe left the country after [the attempt on his life] that occurred in Nuevo Leon ... Everything suggests that Mr. Peña is out of the country; however, the search continues; the intense work of the Unit Against Organized Crime continues" (El Norte)
    • ALT1:... that gunmen tried to kill Zeferino Peña Cuéllar for suspecting that he assisted in a drug lord's arrest? Source: [Spanish] "Gilberto Garcia Mena, El June, detenido en abril en Guardados de Abajo, Tamaulipas, descubrio que Don Zefe fue quien lo delato y no Edelio Lopez Falcon, El Yeyo, a quien en mayo otro comando trato de sorprender en el Palenque de la Expo ... El Subsecretario de Seguridad Publica, Raul Maldonado, dijo al mediodia en rueda de prensa que todo apunta a que se trata de un ajuste de cuentas, seguramente relacionado con el trafico de drogas." / [English]: Gilberto Garcia Mena, El June, arrested in April in Guardados de Abajo, Tamaulipas, discovered that Don Zefe was the one who turned him in and not Edelio Lopez Falcon, El Yeyo, whom in May another armed commando tried to kill him in the Palenque of the Expo ... The Undersecretary of Public Security, Raul Maldonado, said at noon at a press conference that everything points to settling of scores, probably related to drug trafficking. (El Norte)

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 16:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment and not a review, but I'd suggest striking ALT0 as it's not exactly a great hook. ALT1 has potential, but I'd suggest you propose more hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
    • ALT2:... former police chief Zeferino Peña Cuéllar may have escaped through a secret tunnel during an attack from a drug cartel? Source: [Spanish] "Trascendio que posiblemente los investigadores buscaban un tunel que se cree esta en la finca. Eso, porque el dia de la balacera, un testigo escucho cuando unos de los pistoleros grito que los habitantes de la finca podian escapar por 'el tunel' ... En la misma finca, los federales aparentemente buscaban un tunel que se cree servia de refugio a [Zeferino Peña Cuéllar] en casos extremos ..." / [English] "It was reported that investigators were possibly looking for a tunnel that is believed to be on the farm. That, because on the day of the shooting, a witness heard when some of the gunmen shouted that the inhabitants of the farm could escape through 'the tunnel' ... On the same estate, the feds apparently looked for a tunnel that is believed to be used as a refuge to [Zeferino Peña Cuéllar] in extreme cases ..."
    • ALT3: ... Zeferino Peña Cuéllar had trouble recovering a seized property because he bought it from a Mexican drug lord? Source: [Spanish] A Don Zefe se le ha dificultado recuperar la finca de El Faisan, debido a que la UEDO se entero de que esa propiedad ... habia pertenecido al cerebro financiero del Cartel del Golfo, Carlos Resendez Bortolousi. / [English] Don Zefe has had a difficult time recovering El Faisan's estate, because UEDO learned that this property ... had belonged to the financial brain of the Gulf Cartel, Carlos Resendez Bortolousi.

Articles created/expanded on July 18[edit]

John A. Spizziri

  • ... that John A. Spizziri proposed allowing people to carry small amounts of prescription tranquilizers, after a man was arrested when Librium pills were found in a jacket that a dog had dragged away? "Arrest Of Patient Stirs Legislature" in The New York Times: "While on a visit in Wood‐Ridge on May 8, Mr. Schwam was carrying in an unmarked one‐inch green and brown vial ‘eight Librium capsules he had taken from a large bottle containing his monthly supply of 120 pills.... A neighborhood dog ran off with his denim jacket containing the vial. woman who later found the jacket but could not learn the owner's name took it to the police, who found the pills and arrested Mr. Schwam under a section ‐of the drug law that prohibits carrying dozens of types of pills and prescribed drugs in anything but the original, labled container provided by a pharmacist.... The new amendment, offered by Assemblyman John A. Spizziri, Republican of Franklin Lakes, would permit person with a legitimate need for a controlled drug to carry a two‐day supply of the pills or medication in any container")
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Alansohn: This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. I think the article is unbalanced. It has a large paragraph, more than half the article in fact, discussing a criminal justice-related incident in detail, all for the sake of mentioning that Spizziri made a proposal to amend the law. So, was the law changed? Did he do nothing else worthy of mention in his whole life? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 20[edit]

Sogenanntes Linksradikales Blasorchester

  • Reviewed: Precious Legacy
  • Comment: Sorry, I was sure I nominated yesterday, but was probably interrupted and never picked it up.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 17:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC).

User:The Rambling Man is welcome to review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Since TRM hasn't responded yet and mainly to help out the backlog over at the WT:DYK unreviewed noms section, I'll be doing a review for now (though he is still free to give comments). The article meets length and creation requirements, no close paraphrasing has been found, I am assuming good faith for the German language sources, the hook is interesting, and a QPQ has been one. There are currently a number of concerns that prevent me from giving the tick at this time, however. Firstly, the sentence mentioning "so-called left-radical wind band" does not have a footnote, nor does the sentence about their performances at anti-nuclear events. Secondly, at 193 characters, the hook may need to be shortened per WP:DYKHOOK and WP:DYKSG#J8; @The Rambling Man: could you suggest a possible shorter form of the original hook, if that would be possible? Thirdly, there is no reference provided for the Members table. Finally, just a suggestion and not an issue (so this won't prevent approval), but for musical bands, it's more common to use the word "disband" instead of "dissolved" so it might be a good idea to use that wording instead. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:40, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the review, and you seem not to know anything about arbitration enforcement, - keep your innocence. If TRm added a single helpful comment he could be blocked for violating an arbitration restriction. It has just happened to Ritchie. Will look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
The translation of the name is my own, how could I make a footnote? I repeated ref Glandien a few times. Their name is long, which makes the hook long, but I'd miss any of the three things mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
One option, although I'm not sure if you'd like it, would be to omit the name of the group and just pipe it using a shorter phrase. Like for example, instead of ... that the "so-called left-radical wind band" Sogenanntes Linksradikales Blasorchester played, it could instead say ... that a "so-called left-radical wind band" played or wording to that effect. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
You might have guessed that I don't like it ;) - The name is a program and provides the German flavour. Without it, it could be anywhere. I'd rather drop to try to translate:
ALT1: ... that the Sogenanntes Linksradikales Blasorchester wind band played at demonstrations against nuclear power and far-right politics, and at the Berliner Philharmonie?

Aleksei Grishin

Aleksei Grishin at the 2010 Winter Olympics
Aleksei Grishin at the 2010 Winter Olympics

Source: [30]

5x expanded by OhanaUnited (talk). Self-nominated at 02:15, 24 July 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:21, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Article was over 5x expanded on the 20th (504 to 3287 bytes) and well over 1500 bytes. Hook is cited, short enough and interesting, though the "(pictured)" part in the main hook should be next to his name. I prefer the main hook as ALT1 suggests 2 gold medals were put up for sale. ALT1 would need to be rewritten in my opinion. The nominator has also done a QPQ though QPQ check suggests only one DYK has been given? If that's the case, then kudos for doing a QPQ!

Alternatively, there are some issues in the article. Primarily, there are sentences without citations throughout all 3 paragraphs of the Career section. As for the image itself, Flickr has it under a CC BY-NC 2.0 license, which makes this picture non-free. Therefore, it can't be used in DYk nor Commons. However, as the picture was uploaded on 27 February 2010, I'm not 100% sure whether it was under a free license before 2019. I'll be going through the sources as well for a plagiarism, neutral and accuracy check as well, but this is my first glance through.

Update: Earwig says 15% possible violation which is not bad. I would recommend rephrasing "his mother saw a newspaper advertisement seeking" as it's word for word, and I don't think it falls under WP:LIMITED. For neutrality, some of the wording suggests WP:EDITORIALIZING as it's changing the tone to the facts. "performance regressed slightly", "tepid start", "strong performance" and "performed poorly" are examples. I'm also not sure if adding all the stats for Kyle Nissen at the 2010 olympics is off-topic or not as it's shifts the focus to Nissen then back to Grishin.

As for verifiability, apart from the non-sourced parts, there are parts that are cited but have text next to it that do not appear in the adjacent citation. For example: I do not see any qualifications for the Nagano events in the la84foundation source. If i missed it, please let me know. Similarly, the sochi2014 source doesn't state that he was the only Belarusian medallist at Salt Lake City, nor does the Museum of Contemporary Belarusian Statehood source state the medal's worth (Google translate tells me the site is Belarusian National History Museum, so I think the article has the wrong museum). Finally, there are Original Research issues as well in terms of losing to Dimitri Arkhipov at Deer Valley in 2003, or skipping Apex in 2006.

Overall: the main issue is the verifiability in terms of unsourced information with a bit of inaccuracies and original research. Similairly, there are sentences with citations that are not supported in the sentences like the only medallist in salt lake city for belarus. On minor points, there is a possible off topic part for Kyle Nissen's stats at Vancouver, word for word copy about the newspaper advertisement that I feel doesn't fall under limited, and some non neutral phrasing like "performance regressed slightly" and "tepid start". Finally, I believe there's a licensing issue with the flickr picture, but that'd require confirmation with the Commons uploader. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict x 2) @MrLinkinPark333: Some sentences weren't cited because it would be needless repetition. Per WP:PAIC, the FIS reference is used for many results across multiple ski seasons. I guess I can move the FIS reference to the end of the paragraph rather than inserting them in the middle to make it compliant with PAIC. I'll cite more FIS references in places that are expecting them. You said "his mother saw a newspaper advertisement seeking" couldn't fall under WP:LIMITED. It is quite difficult to convey differently. I can't switch the mother part to parent without losing accuracy. Can't change newspaper to something else. I can shorten "advertisement" to "ad", but that is just word switching. I can change "seeking" to "looking", but again that is still too close to WP:Close paraphrasing for my comfort. I will take out the summarizing words since some can view it as editorializing. For the 2002 Salt Lake City medal, I'll make the connection better by citing that he won the bronze medal and the medal count (from IOC) was 1 bronze. And I'll continue to improve the article and references. I just had to submit it before 7 days is up (I fear I would forget so it's best to submit first and declare its eligibility).
ALT image: Grishin with Olympics gold medal in aerial freestyle skiing on a 2010 Belarusian stamp
ALT image: Grishin with Olympics gold medal in aerial freestyle skiing on a 2010 Belarusian stamp
Regarding the QPD check, I wouldn't trust the tool too much. I haven't done DYKs in a long while and most of them are super old (one each in 2007, 2008, 2009, and two in 2014). I stumbled upon his pre-improved article after he was in the news for putting his gold medal up for auction and found that his article is very short despite winning 2 Olympic medals. (And a trip to Belarus back in February this year certainly helped increase my interest in the coverage of this country.) About the competition image, the copyright was automatically checked by Flickr upload bot at the time of the upload. It is not uncommon for Flickr contributors to change their licensing after the upload. The bot takes a snapshot of the licensing status when it is uploaded to Commons. Alternatively, I can switch to the alt image which doesn't have licensing problems (not to mention that it also shows the gold medal).
I agree that the ALT1 hook can be misinterpreted if one reads it in a hurry. I wanted to give it some context. It's not only an Olympic gold medal up for auction, that medal happens to be the first Winter Olympics gold medal from that country that is up for auction. Here's ALT2 using ALT image for consideration:
OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: In order of your comments: If you moved the FIS references to the end of each paragraph, that'd work especially if multiple sentences are from the same source. For the newspaper ad, I think if you swapped "seeking" with something else and/or rephrase it a tiny bit, I'd be fine with that. I'll keep an eye out tomorrow on any edits/adjustments and let you know if something got missed. If you prefer the stamp photo instead for the lead, that'd work for me as stamps pass PD Belarus I've learnt. As for AlT2, mentioning it was Belarus's first gold changes the focus from Grishin's gold to Belarus's first gold. Maybe consider rewriting this one. Otherwise, the main hook would sound fine. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:22, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: Overall update. I've been checking through your updates of the article and keeping track of what's left to be done (so far, all i see is one unsourced sentence). Let me know when you're finished with sourcing and I'll inform you if there's something missing or not. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:32, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: Hello. I've noticed that you have not edited the article in a few days. I was wondering if you would like to continue with this nomination. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes I am. Just need to take a little break away from focusing exclusively on one article. OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:40, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: Okay. I'll leave what needs to be done here for whenever you decide to come back to this nomination:
  • Verifilabity:
    • Missing citations, 1997 fis☑Y, 1998 olympic qualifications, 2000 world cup, 2004 world cup, 2006 world cup☑Y, 2011 did not enter, belarausian state univ.☑Y
    • inaccuracies: 2001 world cup, 2005 skiing (both need places reversed)
    • OR: 35 competitors 2004 world cup☑Y, skipping Apex in 2006☑Y,
  • Neutrality:
    • Words to watch: despite☑Y, strong
    • Non neutral: strong start 2005☑Y, strong performance 2010☑Y, mentioning the other competitors performances besides Grishin at 2010 Olympics☑Y
  • Close paraphrasing: newspaper advertisement

--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:54, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I sourced the ones you identified. For the inaccuracies, I believe you may be confused with the skiing season which spans 2 calendar years (2001-2002 world cup began in September 2001 and finished in January 2002, just before the Olympics in February). Likewise for 2005-2006 ski season, but World Cup races continued after the Olympics. The FIS source showed that he did not participate in 2011/2012 competitions. I have also sourced or reworded the parts that you believe to be original research and the 2010 Olympic part. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: Thanks for continuing to work on this. Here's an indepth explanation of the above that still needs work on:


  • For the 1998 Olympics, the la84foundation.org source doesn't mention the 217.84 points nor the 9th place finish he got to advance to the finals.☑Y
  • FIS individual events for the 2000-01 world cup doesn't mention 15 races or lower than the top five aerials/overall finish
    • Half resolved. The top five part was removed, but the 15 races is unverified. An source is needed to say that the season had 15 races, as this sentence is only cited by two individual races, not the season.
      • This one was swapped to 7 races with a source.☑Y
  • Need a source for the 2004-05 World Cup first four races and his top position of 11th place.☑Y
  • Need a source that shows he did not compete in 2011 and 2012 World Cups and 2011 World Ski Championship. Yes he competed in 2013, but the citation is for the 2012-2013 World Cup and doesn't support the other parts.☑Y
    • Maybe clarify he didn't appear in the 2010-11 and 2011-12 world cup seasons? currently it reads he did not compete in the "2011 or 2012 World Cup races" and that he reappeared for the 2012-13 season.☑Y
  • "beat the runner-up by 1.2 points" needs to be moved as the Sochi 2014 Olympics doesnt have the point difference.
    • Still no source that says he beat the runner up by 1.2 points at Sochi.
      • Misread. It was for Vancouver (thanks for pointing that out). Source was provided. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC) ☑Y

Minor issues:

  • For Mont Tremblant 2001, it should be fourth and second as he placed fourth on the 12th, then second on the 13th.☑Y
  • "In 2003-2004 World Cup," - minor grammar error☑Y
  • Changhun 2005 should be eighth and fifth as he was eighth on the 16th and fifth on the 18th.☑Y
  • "Strong performance" - 2006 Olympics reword for neutrality (Just noticed it today).☑Y
  • "good for 2nd place" - 2010 Olympics maybe reword for neutrality? (Just noticed it today).
    • This part was reworded to "achieving" . i think it's okay, but maybe switch to something like "resulting in"? achieveing sounds a tiny bit promotional but im so-so on it. If you disagree, i'll leave it.
  • Newspaper advertisement - still close paraphrasing but that can be dealt with last.

--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Those issues should all be resolved except the newspaper one. I'm still not comfortable changing words without distorting the meaning. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:39, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: You're almost there. A source is needed for the 15 races at the 2000-01 world cup and the 1.2 point difference between 1st and 2nd place at Sochi. I'll keep thinking over the newspaper part and i've left a comment for achieveing. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 17:57, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Took me a while to understand that the 1.2 point difference was referring to the Vancouver Olympics, not Sochi. I've changed from 15 races to 7 because the source calendar shows only 7 races for aerial. OhanaUnitedTalk page 23:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: Whoops I read that wrong. Thanks for the source. As for the 7 races, that doesn't 100% confirm it I think as Mount Butler was two days (unless that's the 4x part?). Also spotted a minor grammar error "a eighth" instead of "an eighth". --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:18, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: Yes, 2 races in the "4xAE" (2 races each for male and female). Also fixed "an eighth" OhanaUnitedTalk page 00:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: Okay then. All that's left is the "achieving" part and newspaper part. I tend to struggle with WP:LIMITED ones. I can ask for a second reviewer for the limited part only if you wish? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:29, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
I reworded slightly but there's no easy way to get around it. WP:LIMITED says Close paraphrasing is also permitted... [in] the case with simple statements of fact. It also does not copy any creative words or phrases, similes or metaphors. I believe this falls within the acceptable case. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Maria Grapini

Maria Grapini
Maria Grapini
  • Comment: Now let's see, the entire article, which I have translated from its native rowiki, has only an unsourced DOB and birthplace and some of the words and grammar were lost in translation but other than that it's completely sourced.

Created by FoxyGrampa75 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC).

  • This is just a drive-by comment, but while both hooks are interesting, I can't help but feel that both might fall afoul of BLP. Would like to hear second opinions about this matter, though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, I think personally, the original hook might violate BLP. ALT1 would be better, though, because it says that the media attention from her spelling mistakes was the inspiration for an app, not necessarily saying anything negative about her. epicgenius (talk) 00:09, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook discussion has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:10, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, adequately sourced, with the facts for both hook facts being cited inline. I am assuming good faith for the Romanian-language sources. Nominator has no prior DYK credits so a QPQ is not required at this time. Consensus in this discussion appears to favor ALT1, but just to make sure that BLP concerns won't be raised at some point, I'll be asking BlueMoonset for their thoughts on this matter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Narutolovehinata5, I'm not the best person to ask where the line is for potential BLP issues in hooks, especially as regards ALT1 (the original hook was clearly a problem, so I've struck it). I do not see that ALT1's assertion of the media attention is supported by the source that mentions the Grapinizer, which merely describes how the app works when I look at it using Google Translate, so the sourcing needs work if ALT1 is okay to use from a BLP standpoint. However, the article itself needs a good copyedit before it's ready to be featured on the main page; there are a number of places where I don't understand what happened or where clearly the wrong word has been used. Perhaps a request should be made at the Guild of Copy Editors request page. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: The source (when translated) says "criticized several times in the press", but it didn't look neutral enough, so I used "media attention". I'll try to make some adjustments and another alt-hook. And yes, I took it to WP:GOCER. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 15:34, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 21[edit]

The Love Train

Improved to Good Article status by MaranoFan (talk). Self-nominated at 08:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC).

  • The stuff about the press release is interesting (much more so than the stuff about her upcoming album), but poorly phrased. I'll think about it. DS (talk) 23:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
How about, ALT2: ... that when Stephen Thomas Erlewine reviewed Meghan Trainor's EP The Love Train, he also reviewed the press release that promoted it? DS (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I agree that the original hook I suggested is more interesting than ALT1. I’m just not sure if the fact that Erlewine reviewed the press release is interesting in itself, as ALT2 completely neglects describing what made the press release noteworthy.—NØ 00:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, it doesn't say why the press release was noteworthy... but that's what piques the reader's curiosity. Don't answer your own question. It was promoted with a press release - who cares? Lots of things are promoted with press releases. This particular press release got reviewed along with the item it promoted - what? That's weird, why did it get reviewed? *clicks link in order to find out* DS (talk) 13:07, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Abu Abdallah ibn al-Hakim

Created by Cplakidas (talk) and HaEr48 (talk). Nominated by HaEr48 (talk) at 23:05, 21 July 2019 (UTC).

  • The original text doesn't specify that the sultan was blind (he may have simply had poor vision), and we can't really know the mob's motivations. ALT1 is better but not quite right: "while" is ambiguous, and "assassination and "coup d'état" are both misleading. How about ALT2: "... that when an angry mob overran the palaces in Granada in 1309, they spared the sultan, but made sure to kill his vizier Abu Abdallah ibn al-Hakim? DS (talk) 22:38, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @DragonflySixtyseven: Thanks for the suggestion and for taking a look. About the blindness, indeed Harvey seems to be more careful to not say "blind", but other cited sources did mention that, e.g. "Muhammad III se quedó ciego y hubo de dejar las riendas del gobierno a su primer ministro" (Rubiera Mata p.111). For the sake of being careful I added an ALT0a above with poor eyesight instead of blind, what do you think? ALT2 is fine too - I tweaked it a little to mention the vizier's name: in order to both increase the prominence of the target article and to avoid the discouraged WP:EASTEREGG. HaEr48 (talk) 12:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Strong preference for (your tweaked version of) ALT2. Do we know the name of the palace in question? If so, it should probably be linked, both in the article and in this hook. DS (talk) 15:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @DragonflySixtyseven: No, it does not mention the name of the palace. Actually Harvey mentioned two palaces being stormed: the vizier's and the sultan's. I clarified the article to mention that, and replace palace with palaces in the hook. Would that work? HaEr48 (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Oops, forgot about this. Yes, that tweaked version of ALT2 would be excellent. DS (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook discussion has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:11, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 22[edit]

The Art of Sanctions

  • ... that the sanction is an art and its efficiency depend on the manipulations of the policy makers according to Richard Nephew's new book, The Art of Sanctions?
    • ALT1:... that The Art of Sanctions is a book that, written by Richard Nephew, expose the variables which influence to sanctions regime?
    • ALT2:... that Richard Nephew, a former U.S. sanction expert, shares his experiences about the using of sanctions against a target in his book which named The Art of Sanctions?
    • ALT3:... that achieving to the foreign policy aims via sanctions against a target has a manner and Richard Nephew, an US sanction's expert, shares his experience with you in The Art of Sanctions?
  • Comment: Hi dear admin, I just expanded the Article since 22 July 2019. The creator of page is someone else. I used the first time, 22 July 2019, that I had started to expanding the article for the main DYK nominations page. I hope you accept my interesting nomination.

5x expanded by Forest90 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:49, 26 July 2019 (UTC).

Mandy Fisher

Created by Lee Vilenski (talk) and BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Nominated by Lee Vilenski (talk) at 16:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg A few issues, from minor to major:
  • Neither hook needs "English female" at the beginning
  • The lead refers to her founding the World Ladies Billiards and Snooker organisation, but the body claims its name was the World Ladies' Billiards and Snooker Association.
  • she reached the final of the World Women's Snooker Championship, known as the. ... known as the what?
  • Professional womens championship - Must have been deleted  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:38, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 is not consistent with the article; the article says "women players demonstrating their skill" (not necessarily her).
  • The author of the article added the source and the suggestion. I don't have a version to check the source. I'll ping the editor: BennyOnTheLoose Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:38, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT0 is not consistent with its source, which claims Hearn "forced" rather than "encouraged" her, and that she paraded, rather than played, in front of the press.
  • I'm not entirely comfortable with Women Sport Report as a source for Main Page content. No author is attributed, and reading its about page it lists increasing "the marketability of female athletes to sponsors, advertisers and manufacturers of sporting products" as one of its goals, suggesting it may not be entirely independent.
  • Hmm, it's certainly independent of the subject, it's more if it has an agenda, no? A lack of an attributed author isn't exactly grounds for dismissal. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:38, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
  • To articulate my concern more precisely, I feel the source may be setting out to promote Fisher rather than write neutrally about her. Another paragraph of concern at the end of the about page:
Here at www.womensportreport.com we have set out to raise awareness. We recognize the need for the promotion of sports women to keep them going. Therefore we’ve offered our site to female athletes and women interested in sports, men interested in helping sports women to achieve the same respect as men and the opportunity to promote themselves further.Teratix 10:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  • There is an unsourced claim in the article that Fisher later returned to the WLBSA after stepping down. The lead says she currently serves as president but this is not sourced anywhere.
She was forced by Barry Hearn, now World Snooker chairman, to parade in front of the massed ranks of the world’s press in Hyde Park wearing carpet slippers and a maternity dress. (source)
She had been encouraged by Barry Hearn, later the World Snooker chairman, to parade in front of the media in London's Hyde Park wearing a maternity dress and carpet slippers. (article)
Sentence structure is identical, only minor changes made such as swapping synonyms and list order.
Otherwise meets criteria. – Teratix 12:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Lee Vilenski Looks like there are a couple of learning points for me here. I’ll have a look when I’m back from holiday this weekend BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 23[edit]

Peter Hamm

Peter Hamm in 2017
Peter Hamm in 2017
  • Reviewed: Eastern Parkway
  • Comment: left school at age 14, broke up apprenticeship ... - and became one of the most respected literary critics, - better wording welcome

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC).

User:The Rambling Man is welcome to review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the invitation Gerda. As far as the article criteria are concerned, I see no issues. Nominated on the day it was created, long enough, meets policy, generally meets MOS, and I can't see obvious copyvio so that's all good. Onto the hook... a few comments:
    1. "he was age 17" he could have been 16, the article only specifies a year when the poems were published, and that year he would have been 16 or 17.
    2. "met authors such as Sarah Kirsch and Paul Celan to learn how to write?" in the literal sense, he already knew how to "write". Moreover, he already knew how to "write poetry" (being a published poet before meeting these authors).
    3. The article only mentions Nelly Sachs by name as an author he corresponded with to improve his writing skills (ah, there it is, perhaps he "corresponded with authors such as Nelly Sachs to improve his writing skills?").
  • Symbol question.svg So in summary, I'm fine with the article (although naturally I'll reserve the right to give it a copyedit) but the hook needs some work. I don't doubt that it might well be all accurate, but currently it's not matching precisely what's being said in the article and that's a fundamental DYK issue. Cheers. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 08:56, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. I add the age 17 to the article (which is mentioned in the source, as a header even, and is on the less sensational side compared to 16.
ALT1: ... that Peter Hamm (pictured), whose first poems were printed when he was age 17, met authors such as Sarah Kirsch and Paul Celan to improve his writing skills? (vs. any studies at a university). - I don't know how to hint at that, trying:
ALT2: ... that Peter Hamm (pictured), whose first poems were printed when he was age 17, never studied at a university, but met authors such as Sarah Kirsch and Paul Celan to improve his writing skills?
What do you think of using the icon for a neutral "questions"? (I understand the other as "leaning towards no", reading "more work" as meaning "considerably more work to an extent that one might hesitate to undertake it", but may be wrong.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Sure, I'm not sure it makes much difference which icon I picked, but hey, next time I'll pick the other one. I prefer ALT 2 I think but "did not study at university, but..." in preference to your proposed wording, a little bit more natural sounding to my English ears... The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 12:33, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Always grateful for help with English:
ALT3: ... that Peter Hamm (pictured), whose first poems were printed when he was age 17, did not study at university, but met authors such as Sarah Kirsch and Paul Celan to improve his writing skills?
I often (have to) explain that it doesn't really make a difference if the tick is green or blue, and I I choose blue whenever I need to accept anything - not just the hook - AGF. Thanks for explaining. Please strike all hooks you don't support, instead of thinking the promoter will read prose about a preference. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Now, being ultra-picky, the article doesn't 100% back that claim up literally, it mentions Kirsch and Celan in a sentence about "meeting" them, and then mentions not studying but communicating with "with [unnamed] authors" other than Nelly Sachs. Do you see what I'm getting at? I'm sure ref [1] covers all this, but the article just needs a little bit of work to make sure the hook is mentioned directly in the article. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 15:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll look, but rehearsal first, Vespers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
The ref doesn't cover exactly this. It says that he learned with people, not at university. ("Peter Hamm hat die Literatur anstatt an Universitäten von früh an bei den Dichter*innen und Schriftsteller*innen selber studiert, bei Ingeborg Bachmann, Ilse Aichinger oder Nelly Sachs, mit der er einen Briefwechsel führte.") About Kirsch and Celan, it says that he travelled to meet them. It further says that this special education resulted in him being interested in people rather than academics ("Diese besondere Ausbildung brachte einen Geist hervor, dem die Menschen und ihr Schreiben immer wichtiger waren als alles Akademische. Ihm kam es in Poesie und Prosa auf existenzielle Beweggründe an und auf ein präzises hellhöriges Nachempfinden. Theorien, Methoden oder Konzepte waren nicht seine Sache." translated as "This special education produced a spirit to which people and their writing were always more important than anything academic. In poetry and prose, he was interested in existential motives and a precise, clairaudient understanding. Theories, methods or concepts were not his thing.") What can we take of it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Then we stick with the source directly and what is in the article, i.e. you can pick a hook from (a) he met with Kirsch/Celan, or (b) he communicated with Sachs to improve his writing. I'm still not seeing anywhere which says he met with Kirsch/Celan to improve his writing. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 08:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
I will need help with wording. The unusual thing is that he - a school drop-out met these giants of literature. We could say so without any intention about his own writing. Amazing that they received him, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that the author, editor and literary critic Peter Hamm (pictured), who had his first poems printed at age 17, did not study at university, but met authors such as Sarah Kirsch and Paul Celan?
I'd like to say he made collections of poetry by European young authors, ut we have only 200 chars. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
I know this is a little tortuous for which I apologise, but meeting those authors (for me) is a little meh. If, however, you remain convinced that others will be impressed (personally, I've never heard of Kirsch nor Celan) then I would defer. However, ALT3 is still a little clunky, he didn't meet the authors instead of going to university, but he was guided/inspired/? by having met them... the other thing to consider is that he was already a published poet at the age of 17, and yet not going to university and meeting these individuals has no obvious consequence in the hook at all... The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 11:01, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
If you haven't met Celan, please do so (Todesfuge). - How about the first half of the hook for those who don't know much, and the rest for those who will be highly impressed by that name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Problem is there's still no obvious link or clear need for our hook readers to link "not going to university" with "meeting authors".... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Isn't DYK for finding out what something means? "met" is aomehow too weak a word for that boy travelling from Germany to France ... - not a per-chance-meeting.
ALT4: ... that the author, editor and literary critic Peter Hamm (pictured), who had his first poems printed at age 17, did not study at university, but pursued meeting authors, such as Paul Celan in Paris?
ALT5: ... that the author, editor and literary critic Peter Hamm (pictured), who had his first poems printed at age 17, did not study at university, but pursued contact with authors such as Paul Celan and Nelly Sachs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Well no, DYK is for writing something interesting that will attract more than a handful of people (hence "interesting to a broad audience") so a priori knowledge (e.g. prominence of Celan/Sachs et al) detracts from that goal. However, according to the article he didn't "pursue meeting" or "pursue contact", he actually did meet them, right? I guess the point we're trying to get across is that he sought to improve his skill by meeting with other poets rather than pursuing a university career? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, and I said a while ago that I may need help wording that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for trying, - now I'm the critic: that tells me just that he liked meeting a great person better than studies. No surprise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT7: ... that the author, editor and literary critic Peter Hamm (pictured), whose first poems were printed at age 17, favoured inspiration from authors such as Paul Celan over formal education? (as long as the source can substantiate this?) The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I seem to be just as picky: it still reads as if he only "favoured", meaning "doing one thing with more enthusiasm than the other", - only, he didn't do the other. He didn't even finish an apprenticeship. One more try please, then I'll come up with somehing totally different ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 14 August 2019 (UTC
I like that, thanks you so much! Now you will probably best use the icon for new reviewer needed, and strike all hooks that should not be it, - likely all others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As you like, and as you know, this will be goodbye from me on this review. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 24[edit]

Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections

  • Reviewed: IOU Template:Did you know nominations/Arudji Kartawinata
  • Comment: This article could be contentious, but I think that a fact based hook should be okay. It's slightly older than 7 days from the time of the article creation to my nomination, but that's because it was nominated for deletion and I did not want to nominated until that closed.

Created by Muboshgu (talk) and XOR'easter (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 21:12, 4 August 2019 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:
  • New Enough: Red XN - This article was created on 24 July 2019. The earliest time this article could have been nominated was 31 July 2019.
  • Long Enough: Green tickY

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Doesn't give context for non-US readers.

QPQ: Red XN - Pending...
Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svgMJLTalk 02:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg @MJL: Considering the article was at AfD until yesterday I think it's fair to give the nominator some leniency on the usual deadline and not just close the nomination outright. No opinion on other criticisms. – Teratix 04:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    @Teratix: Am I allowed to do that? –MJLTalk 04:32, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    My understanding is that if a reviewer uses Symbol delete vote.svg it means "this is not suitable for DYK" and marks the nomination for closure. If you merely mean it requires more work but could still be eligible, generally Symbol possible vote.svg or Symbol question.svg would be the appropriate icons.
    You are, of course, allowed to do this, but I think the issues with the article are fixable and the seven-day deadline should be relaxed. – Teratix 04:46, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this on the main page because I think it shows the diverse types of content Wikipedia has to offer (I can't recall the last election related page that got promoted). I just don't want to get in trouble.
    I've switched the status to "again" if that helps. –MJLTalk 04:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    Question: is the "doesn't give context for non-US readers" criticism of the hook based on the hook not explaining who Robert Mueller is? (I worked on the article, as noted above, but I have no real experience at DYK.) XOR'easter (talk) 15:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
    @XOR'easter: Yeah, pretty much. To anyone who doesn't really know why he is significant, then they don't know why the whole hook is important. If there was info about how he just spent 2 or so years investigating Russian interference in US elections, then it'd be a good hook.
    @Teratix: I don't know if you're still interested in reviewing this or anything? –MJLTalk 21:10, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
    I don't trust myself to assess the neutrality of a US politics article :) – Teratix 00:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
    A couple possibilities that sprang to mind:
    ALT1: ... that according to Robert Mueller, who led a twenty-two-month-long investigation of foreign interference in the 2016 United States presidential election, Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections is ongoing?
    ALT2: ... that according to Robert Mueller, who led a twenty-two-month-long investigation into misconduct surrounding the 2016 United States presidential election, Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections is ongoing?
    XOR'easter (talk) 13:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
───────────────────────── I like both ALTs. QPQ is provided. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Brigitte Kronauer

Brigitte Kronauer in 2005
Brigitte Kronauer in 2005

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:31, 28 July 2019 (UTC).

User:The Rambling Man is welcome to review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - I think it could be more interesting, for example, mentioning some of the ways her work has been described, eg

    ALT1 ... that writer Brigitte Kronauer (pictured), who won the Georg Büchner Prize, the Jean Paul Prize and the Thomas Mann Prize, was described as both “a master of spite” and having “great kindness”?

    You have already included the kindness quote in the article, and the other could be added, if you and other editors like this suggestion. I find it very intriguing.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg *NB This is my first review, plus I have also suggested an alternative hook. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Some queries and comments:

  • "Among others, she was awarded the Jean-Paul-Preis in 2011, and the Thomas Mann Prize in 2017." Does this mean other people received them too, or among other awards she received? If the latter, perhaps reword slightly? eg "Among other awards, she received the Jean-Paul-Preis in 2011, and the Thomas Mann Prize in 2017."
  • Laudatio - I don't think this is a common word in English, and there is no Wikipedia article it could be linked to (unless perhaps encomium). Perhaps "laudatory speech" would be clearer? Also, I suggest "delivered the laudatory speech", rather than "held" - if it was Martin Mosebach who spoke the words of the laudatio.
  • I assume that you have deliberately omitted mention of her domestic arrangements? That would definitely provide an intriguing hook, but perhaps not one you want to focus on. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. ALT1 is fine, but I was counseled so often to not say too much in one hook that I thought the allusion to great authors who shaped her writing was enough. You can pursue, add to the article, and then use the icon for a new reviewer. - I specified "among other awards" although it's a repetition of the word "award", - any idea to avoid that? - I used "laudatory speech", - is there really no simpler term for such a thing? - The answer to the third question is yes ;) - rather private, it seems. I imagine my mother had died, - would that be the thing I want to hook with? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Ah, I would not understand that someone who received an award named after another writer had necessarily been influenced by that writer's style in their own writing. It's not the case with named Australian awards like the Miles Franklin Award, for example, or for the Dylan Thomas Prize. I read it as just meaning that she had won many literary awards, which does show her status, but to me, nothing specifically about her as a writer. I will think about adding the first comment into the article, then we will see what another reviewer thinks. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:17, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
You are welcome. She was most influenced by Jean Paul, but I'm afraid that he's not too well known, while I guess Thomas Mann is. The Georg Büchner Prize is regarded as the Nobel Prize of German literature, but again I'm afraid ... - I hope the image will be taken, and that will "sell" whatever we word ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Minor queries have been addressed, the quote and citation for the second possible hook have been included in the article. Could another reviewer please check that I have done everything necessary, as this is my first review? RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I looked at your review and can tell that you did well, just missung to say something about the image (licesed? showing well even in small size?) A different reviever is only needed to approve the hooks, especially ALT1 as donated by Rebecca. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Gerda Arendt! I used the review template because it was my first, but then I wanted to write extra, which I found difficult in that template. The image info is below the ALT1 hook, just above the QPQ tick - yes, licensed, yes, shows well in small size (it's a nice bright photo, I hope it's used). RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:03, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Charles Henry Ambler

Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 17:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC).

Misty Talley

Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:25, 25 July 2019 (UTC).

  • I heard from Yoninah that there have been many first women articles nominated so I will try ALT1 ... that Misty Talley, who directed shark horror films for Syfy, edits about five feature film projects at once? SL93 (talk) 00:23, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Battle of Kapetron

  • ... that in the nocturnal Battle of Kapetron, the Byzantines in the flanks defeated their Seljuk opponents but on the next morning learned of their Georgian allies' defeat in the centre? Source: "Kekaumenos and Aaron, who fought in the right and left wings of the allied Christian forces, managed to repel the enemies, whereas Liparites, who commanded the center, fell from his horse and was captured by Seljuk soldiers" (Beihammer, p. 79); "Kekaumenos and Aaron routed their opposing wings and pursued them until cockcrow, but Liparites, desolated by the loss of his nephew, charging at full tilt, fell when his horse was wounded; then he was taken prisoner." (Wortley/Skylitzes, p. 425)
    • ALT1:... that while his Byzantine allies were victorious in the flanks during the Battle of Kapetron against the Seljuks, Liparit IV of Kldekari was defeated and captured in the centre? Source: "Kekaumenos and Aaron, who fought in the right and left wings of the allied Christian forces, managed to repel the enemies, whereas Liparites, who commanded the center, fell from his horse and was captured by Seljuk soldiers" (Beihammer, p. 79); "Kekaumenos and Aaron routed their opposing wings and pursued them until cockcrow, but Liparites, desolated by the loss of his nephew, charging at full tilt, fell when his horse was wounded; then he was taken prisoner." (Wortley/Skylitzes, p. 425)

Improved to Good Article status by Cplakidas (talk). Self-nominated at 15:19, 24 July 2019 (UTC).

United States Guards

Created/expanded by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 05:06, 24 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 25[edit]

Kirsten Banks

Created by Dr JBW (talk) and Neurochellebee (talk). Nominated by Gnangarra (talk) at 07:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment:. Not reviewing, just some comments:
  • 1. The source supporting the hook was written by the subject of the article. It does not back up the hook, but simply says "could be evidence", whereas the hook implies there is concrete, undisputed evidence. The publication is a general newspaper and it doesn't appear as if this has been subject to any scientific peer scrutiny at all. Also, no evidence is given to show that the "discovery" that "indigenious Australians knew about the existence of planets" has been attributed to the subject of the article.(Many ancient communities knew about the existence of planets - was it really not known until last year that indigenious Australians did as well?)
  • 2. There is a cleanup template on the article disputing whether the subject is notable. This issue should be dealt with before any DYK review is done.
  • 3. The user KirstenBanks, who is apparently the subject of the article, has edited it. She has added content, and in another edit removed the notability cleanup template mentioned above, although that edit was reversed by another user. There seems to be a Conflict of interest issue here.Felixkrater (talk) 13:48, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
    • 1. It was only recently been accepted that Australian Indigenous people knew anything and the level of Indigenous peoples understanding of the sky is in just the last 5-10 years being explored scientifically. Sadly this is a common issue right across Indigenous Australian subject were the prevailing scientific/social commentary is of that of the justifications for "terra nullus" and Wikipedia has become a voice for prioritising the worst of those works. Yes the source is a newspaper rather rather than a scientific journal because newspapers are interested in the human aspect where as scientific journals are just the science on the people. It looks like when I put the CQUOTE template there was formatting error that dropped the source. The said I added it back where the line was asking citation as that was it was originally, also I have adjust the hook to say "could indicate" it was my error because I have encountered many articles that are definitive about the subject, its a most fascinating subject area explore and learn first hand from Elders.
    • 2. I agree notability has been established, with a Nation/Internation newspaper article about Banks, being a subject expert invited onto National TV news program Q&A (Australian talk show), plus other sources.
    • 3. Yes it does appear to be a COI edit but only two edits, first one being inclusion of an Infobox and the second removing template, agree not a good look but sound edit I would have removed it as well. In both edits there was any changes to the article substance, and no vanity edits. I have contacted the event organisors that created the article to approach her about COI and encourage her to work on broader subject areas related to astrophysics. She wasnt one of the participants at the event and it appears she had followed policy and placed some requested articles in the Astronomy request for articles page and when one happened about her she just did a bit of gnome work.
    • @Felixkrater: thanks for the feed back I hope tthis addresses your concerns. Gnangarra 03:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
      • @Gnangarra:, thanks for your reply, but unfortunately your comments don't entirely resolve things:
      • HOOK: Your addition of "could" is good, but Kirsten Banks wrote the article being cited as a source herself. For neutrality, it would better if you could find a reference, in a good quality publication, where someone else acknowledges that she is the one who made the discovery and that what she claims is valid. Also, in her article she is talking about the orbiting of the planets, not the existence of them, so even if you still want to use that article to back up the hook, you would need to change the wording of the hook to reflect what she says in the article.
      • Notablity template: If you want to discuss the notability issue, it would be better to do that on the articles Talk page rather than here. It is not a discussion I'm going to get involved with, but the removal of the cleanup template should be done by a third party, not someone involved with writing the article, or anyone with a personal connection to Kirsten. There are only five sources given, so it would be better if you could find a few more - the more good sources you have, the less likely anyone is to contest it, and additional info in other sources might give you ideas for alternative hooks. They don't have to all be online - do you know of any articles about her in print sources that you could cite?
      • Just to note that I was just making some comments, I'm not planning to do a DYK review for this nomination, I will leave that for someone else. Good luck with it, as you say, making information about minority groups and less-known topics more widely accessible is something Wikipedia is good for. Felixkrater (talk) 10:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As the above was comments rather than a review, full review now needed by a new reviewer. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 26[edit]

Caveira (Rainbow Six Siege)

Created by MicroPowerpoint (talk). Nominated by MJL (talk) at 16:29, 2 August 2019 (UTC).

Ziyad ibn Abihi

Silver dirham minted in the name of Ziyad ibn Abi Sufyan
Silver dirham minted in the name of Ziyad ibn Abi Sufyan
  • Reviewed: Pending

Improved to Good Article status by Al Ameer son (talk). Self-nominated at 02:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg As usual, a gem of an article. Recent GA, well written, comprehensive, and well referenced. DYKs are longenough and interesting, although I might suggest ALT2 "... that Ziyad ibn Abi Sufyan, the first governor of Iraq and the eastern Umayyad Caliphate, was considered among the four wisest Arab statesmen of his time?". Accompanying image is relevant and suitably licensed. QPQ remains to be done, otherwise this looks great. Constantine 13:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


  • ... that although Spitzeln was also called German l'Hombre, it had little more in common with the most successful card game ever invented than the fact that it was played by three players?
    Source: "Man nennt diese Soloart auch deutsch L'Hombre, aber sehr uneigentlich, da es mit dem L'Hombre wenig mehr als den Umstand gemein hat, daß hier wie dort drei Personen spielen;" (Von Alvensleben, L. (1853). Encyklopädie der Spiele, Otto Wigand, Leipzig, pp. 527 ff.) and "... Ombre or l'Hombre. This game is comparatively little played today, but, in its time, was the most successful card game ever invented..." (Dummett, Sir Michael (1980). The game of Tarot, p. 173.)
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 27[edit]

Thomas Perkins Abernethy

Created/expanded by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 19:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: not a full review, but the hook is not interesting to a broad audience. No offense intended to the creator or subject, but hooks should make the reader want to read the article, not state simple facts of little interest to people even familiar with the subject. (WP:DYKHOOK, Review the hook.) Surely a more interesting hook can be produced. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:22, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, the subject itself, like many subjects, doesn't appeal to a broad audience i.e. a professor of history. Seems no matter what item of fact is used from this article for the hook, it will not appeal to a broad audience. However, it would appeal to many who are interested in history and to the academic community overall, imo. Many such people, and students, frequent Wikipedia. I'm a history enthusiast and found the fact/hook in question very interesting. It's very uncommon for an author to submit one of his/her books for a doctoral thesis. It says much about the book and its author. Bear in mind, most people don't read articles with subjects they are not interested in in the first place. If you see something in the article that you feel will appeal to a broad audience I'm open to suggestions. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 05:20, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Perhaps the hook could be rewritten as ALT1. How come his children had the surname "Ambler"? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Crawley Edge Boatshed

Created/expanded by Bahnfrend (talk). Self-nominated at 11:14, 28 July 2019 (UTC).

Defiant Development

  • ... that, for the fifth anniversary of video game developer Defiant Development, everyone who had been employed at the company for at least two years was gifted a sword? Source: "The Swords Of Defiant: Forging A New Path For The Australian Games Industry" (quote: "This May just past Defiant Development turned five years old and Morgan bought one of these swords for every single member of the studio who had been there for two years or longer."; corresponds to ref #2 in the article, fact is mentioned in the "Culture" section)

Created by Lordtobi (talk). Self-nominated at 19:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC).

Clarence Ervin

Clarence Ervin is presented his position standard upon promotion to brigadier general in 2015
Clarence Ervin is presented his position standard upon promotion to brigadier general in 2015

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 05:29, 27 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new and long enough. There is no evidence of close para-phrasing or copyvio. The hook fact is interesting; but the article only states that he became "the first African-American flag officer in the history of the North Carolina Air National Guard", while the supporting source states that he was "the first African-American brigadier general for the NCANG"; to a layperson such as myself, this isn't obviously the same as being the first African-American chief of staff. Is there another source which states it explicitly? Harrias talk 07:55, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Harrias - thanks much for the review. I've proposed an alt hook above. Chetsford (talk) 07:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Jennie Porter

  • Reviewed: Pending

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @HickoryOughtShirt?4: This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues (the long list of items is permissible). A QPQ still needs to be done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:26, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 28[edit]

Roberts Landing, California

View of Roberts Landing from the west, 2016; restored marshland in foreground
View of Roberts Landing from the west, 2016; restored marshland in foreground
  • ... that Roberts Landing, California (pictured, with restored marsh in foreground) was heavily polluted by an explosives company, and then cleaned up to create a housing development and a marsh? Source: [32], [33]

5x expanded by Uncle G (talk) and Aymatth2 (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 15:49, 3 August 2019 (UTC).

  • You could probably get the Trojan Powder Company into that. Uncle G (talk) 00:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
    • I would leave Trojan Powder out of it. That article is just a collection of sometimes contradictory clippings arranged chronologically. There is no source that gives an overview. Probably the corporate records got lost in one of the explosions. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Not even as "an explosives company"? Uncle G (talk) 08:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
        • Maybe I am being too picky, but I would prefer an article that had some numbers on production volumes, income and employees. I suppose it is an o.k. start though and meets DYK criteria. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:20, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Willing to review, but need sleep first. We don't need the complicated caption twice. Please find a way that doesn't pretend to picture California ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Ruth Doggett

Ruth Doggett by Gilman
Ruth Doggett by Gilman

Created by Moonraker (talk) and RebeccaGreen (talk). Self-nominated at 09:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment I note that the article Ruth Doggett is primarily referenced to primary sources, and does not make a clear claim, nor provide evidence, of notability. I am searching for more sources to improve the article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you, RebeccaGreen. I would not have said *primarily*, and there is no other substantial biography of Ruth Doggett, so some reliance on primary sources can't be avoided, but you have made big improvements and I am adding you above as a co-creator. Moonraker (talk) 19:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • A new hook is probably needed as the current one is really bland. It does not make sense to people who don't know who Gilman is. Looking at Doggett's article, there are many other possible hook facts that may work better, such as perhaps something related to critics' reviews of her work, or perhaps about the time she won a prize that was worth £5. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • That is a subjective opinion, if not a deliberately wrecking one, Narutolovehinata5. I do not agree that it is “bland”, it is interesting from an artistic point of view, and it is even better with the picture. Please feel free to suggest a more interesting way to introduce the picture. Moonraker (talk) 10:16, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
As I mentioned earlier, it isn't interesting to anyone who doesn't know who Gilman is. What makes the fact that Doggett was painted by Gilman interesting compared to any other portrait? And in fact, it could even be argued that the hook focuses much more on Gilman than it does on Doggett, considering the placement of "portrait pictured" and the wording itself. And it's not like the picture can't work in the hook with any other hook, as other options could always go "... that Ruth Dogget (portrait pictured)" or something to that effect. Anyway, looking at the article again, here are some possible options:
  • ALT1 ... that when Ruth Doggett (portrait pictured) submitted a poster design to the Cambridge Arts and Crafts Society, her prize money was £5?
  • ALT2 ... that a review of the London Group's exhibition in 1936 noted that, while much of the event seemed "perverse and downright silly", Ruth Doggett's featured work formed "welcome oases of sense and sensibility"? (this hook is over 200 characters so it could be shortened)
  • ALT3 ... that the work of Ruth Doggett (portrait pictured) has been described as "welcome oases of sense and sensibility" and "perfect control of what may be termed 'colour-tone'"?
I understand that these hooks no longer focus on the Gilman portrait, but at least these focus on Doggett herself, who is the hook subject after all. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:34, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Some possible alternative hooks - I also thought the first hook suggested needed more interest. Painters often paint portraits of other painters ....
  • ALT2b ... that a review of the London Group's 1936 exhibition noted that many works seemed "perverse and downright silly", but Ruth Doggett's (portrait pictured) formed "welcome oases of sense and sensibility"?
  • ALT4 ... that the works of Ruth Doggett (portrait pictured) stood out to exhibition reviewers as exceptions from the general “appalling dullness” and “perverse and downright silly” work of others? RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:32, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • RebeccaGreen, could I please leave it to you to deal with this page from now on? I do not have hours and days and weeks for fending off the efforts of Narutolovehinata5 to reinvent the DYK rules for his own purposes. I guess he has nothing better to do. Moonraker (talk) 14:47, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Moonraker, Sure, no problem. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:54, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't see how my earlier comments are "reinventing the DYK rules for my own purposes" when all I said was that the original hook failed to appeal to a broad audience (which is an actual DYK rule, albeit admittedly a contentious one) and even Rebecca agreed that a better hook was needed. In any case, since I helped propose new hooks, a new reviewer would be needed anyway. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with DYK rules but I think what NLH5 is trying to say is this: Most people don't know who Doggett or Gilman are, and because of that, the hook is not interesting. People have painted other people for thousands of years, probably hundreds of thousands of times. Why is it interesting that THIS person painted THAT person? I briefly read the article and learned that she was an art student and he was his master. That's cool. How about something like: DYK ALT5: ... that when studying art, student Ruth Doggett was painted by her teacher Harold Gilman? That's much more interesting. TarkusABtalk/contrib 21:00, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg We're gonna need a new reviewer here to check all the hook options so far. Per Rebecca's agreement that a new hook was needed, ALT0 has been struck. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:50, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Abraham Bishop

  • [First nomination, so no QPQ required. Dr Aaij (talk) 01:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)]

Created by Watsherm (talk). Self-nominated at 05:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Most obvious things first: The article history's a bit tricky to parse but it is DYK eligible—it was a user draft briefly taken in and out of mainspace on July 13–15 and then re-created July 28. I verified the hook from the source, which is reliable enough for the purpose (Yale alumni mag article by the chief archivist of the university library). There seem to have been copyvio issues in the past based on the history but Earwig doesn't detect anything in its current state. Policy requirements check out; a 15-year-old Yale graduate seems interesting enough. I cleaned up some grammar and style issues I found in the article.
Before approving this, though, there are a few issues I'd like sorted out. Firstly, the article does not give a source for the important descriptions of Bishop as an "economic populist" and a "civic leader". Secondly—and connected to that—the hook ought to include a brief description of Bishop to help interest potential readers so he isn't just a graduation statistic (e.g. "that Connecticut civic leader Abraham Bishop..."). Finally, there's a minor referencing oddness in the article itself which might need to be sorted out: Why is Georgia Speculation Unveiled in the works list specifically sourced to page 39 of itself? The easiest way to cite a bibliography like this is probably just to list the books themselves in a citation format. I added external links myself to the two that weren't explicitly cited. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 01:01, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Nizolan, thanks for your work on this article. I'm looking at the issues. That "civic leader"--well, as a general term that seems to be borne out by claims like "Bishop worked to improve and establish importance of education via efforts such as consolidating schools and introducing graded classrooms"--I could replace it with "educationist" but I hate the word. Anyway, I see now that all those terms, including "gentleman farmer", are verified in the Yale article, "A firebrand from the Class of 1778".

You may have guessed that Watsherm was a student and that class is over. He asked about his grades, but I doubt that he'll be coming back here, which is sad--he hasn't yet, so I'll do what I can. I don't know why that page is listed--I am going to guess it's some oddity.

Update: I know what happened. The student was using the ref tool to get a book citation, and it automatically inserted it as a footnote. Hey, at least their Reftools work--I've been doing these by hand for almost a decade. I also saw that these Babcocks, printers and publishers, maybe deserve an article. Nizolan, tell me what else you see--while I tweak the hook. Dr Aaij (talk) 21:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dr Aaij: Thanks for picking this up—hopefully Watsherm wasn't scared off by my review! I missed "civic leader" on the article, thanks for pointing that out (and also for figuring out the reference issue). I'm digging through the sources more thoroughly at the moment and I'm a bit confused by the "Federalist" description. Bishop himself was very much a Republican and a Jeffersonite, and the article discusses his attacks on the Federalists, so I think the hook is inaccurate there. But the article is a bit confusing on the point.
The article says that Bishop's family was Federalist, but I can't see that in the two sources it cites. "New Political Writings by Thomas Payne" only says that the state was Federalist, and doesn't mention the family. It also seems to be contradicted by Jefferson's appointment of Bishop's dad after the election—as written currently, this looks like a non sequitur: "The Bishop family was Federalist ... making it impossible for Thomas Jefferson to capture that state's majority vote during his presidential election. After Jefferson won the Presidential election of 1800, he appointed Abraham Bishop's father, Samuel ... as a way of thanking Abraham for his efforts" (he rewarded his father for opposing him??)
My last sticking point is still "economic populist" because it's only mentioned in a user comment beneath the Yale article. Based on the sources I think a more precise term like "radical Republican" or simply "radical" might be better. Finally, life dates aren't usually included in DYK hooks (compare the hooks in the archives) so I've gone ahead and struck them in the suggestion, the era is clear anyway because of the graduation date. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 21:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Hey Nizolan, you're right. Problem is, I don't know a thing about early US politics and I really don't want to learn--I'm looking at this 42-page article, "Abraham Bishop's Vocation; or, the Mediation of Jeffersonian Politics", and I don't want to plow through all that to a. figure out the politics; b. rewrite that sentence which, you are correct, is a non sequitur; c. rewrite the lead, which I find very ... awkward (he was "known" for his family's politics?). BTW I frequently put those dates in DYK hooks, but sure. So let's just leave this be; we both have put in more time than Whatsherm by now. If you really want to pursue this and get it on the front page since you put in a fair amount of work, I can come back to it, but I'm a bit pressed for time now, with the new semester starting... Thanks again, Dr Aaij (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Great Renunciation

Prince Siddhārtha leaving the palace during the Great Renunciation.
Prince Siddhārtha leaving the palace during the Great Renunciation.
  • ... that the story of the Christian apostles Joasaph and Barlaam is based on the Great Renunciation of the Buddha? Source: "The post-Buddhist status of these narratives is apparent because they are told alongside an adapted episode from lifestory of the Buddha, in which he experiences horror at his harem and departs from his father’s palace to seek his Awakening. In Ibn Bābūya’s narrative, this becomes the story Balawhar wa-Būdāsf. The same story had a wide circulation and became incorporated into Christian narrative with Balawhar and Būdāsf becoming the two apostles of Christianity in India, Joasaph and Barlaam." (Crosby, 2014, p.101)
    • ALT1:... that according to Buddhist texts, the Buddha decides to leave his life in the palace behind because of old age, sickness and death? Source: "It was not, however, till he was 29 that he made some harrowing discoveries which would impel him to leave home. These ‘four signs’ were the sight of an old man, bent and feeble; a sick man, stewing in his own excreta; a corpse; and a shaven-headed man wearing a robe who had left home, to wander." (Smart 1997, p.276)

Moved to mainspace by Farang Rak Tham (talk). Self-nominated at 14:50, 28 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 29[edit]

Barefoot in the Park (James Blake song)

  • ... that James Blake took inspiration from the 1967 film Barefoot in the Park for his song of the same name, despite never having watched it? Source: "The inspiration behind "Barefoot in the Park" was the film with the same name because, to my understanding, and the irony is I’ve actually never seen this film, which is terrible." ([35])
    • ALT1:... that James Blake was inspired to collaborate with the Spanish singer Rosalía on the track "Barefoot in the Park" after listening to her debut album Los ángeles? Source: "My manager played me Los Ángeles (ROSALÍA's debut LP), and I honestly hadn't heard anything so vulnerable and raw and devastating in quite a while" ([36])
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/My First Album (Peppa Pig album)
  • Comment: Genius I know isn't generally a reliable source, but since I'm using an annotation by Blake himself, I think it should be fine. Additionally, I have listed the page at technical moves so it can move to "Barefoot in the Park (song)", which would be more adequate. Since the nomination, the page has been moved to "Barefoot in the Park (song)".

Converted from a redirect by MikeOwen (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 29 July 2019 (UTC).


  • ... that FreeConferenceCall.com faced a public backlash for trying to change its hold music? Source: "And though people poke fun, we’ve grown so accustomed to that innocuous jazziness that when the company attempted to change it out in the late 2000s, there was actual outrage. Customers complained en masse, forcing Free Conference Corporation (yep) to keep the “Soul” alive." [37]
    • ALT1:... that FreeConferenceCall.com lets kids leave a voice mail for Santa Claus? Source: "From now until Christmas Day, Santa’s 24-hour hotline is open for kids to call and leave him a personal voicemail message."[38]
  • Reviewed: I am a n00b

Created by TheImogenen (talk). Self-nominated at 05:45, 29 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new enough, long enough, adequately sourced, with both hooks being interesting and cited inline (though personally, ALT1 sounds hookier). No QPQ required for the nominator, who is new to DYK. This is almost ready to go, but I wonder if a third hook (about the hold music being used in YouTube and Soundcloud remixes) could be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 30[edit]

Jennifer Foster

  • ... that according to Jennifer Foster, Iron Age metalsmiths in Britain might have been itinerant rather than having a fixed abode?

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 23:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The main fault is that the article falls a long way short of the DYK requirement for "a minimum of 1500 characters of readable prose". Also, all we really learn about Ms Foster is her subject and where she was teaching in 2014. I hardly ever raise the question of WP:N, but if this article shows notability, then all academics with a few published articles are notable. Also, no QPQ done yet. If you do not need to do one, it's helpful to have a note on that. Moonraker (talk) 12:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review, Moonraker. Admittedly I rushed this nomination a bit, as I didn't have time to fully expand it before the 7-day deadline. I'll expand it by the end of the weekend; this should hopefully also make the notability more clear (for what it's worth, a quick search on Google Scholar comes up with 71 citations alone for just The Lexden Tumulus, and another 33 for Bronze boar figurines in iron age and Roman Britain). --Usernameunique (talk) 16:07, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I'll wait for you to ping me, Usernameunique, but I am not going to be about for a few days. Moonraker (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Blind Injustice (opera)

  • ... that Blind Injustice is an opera telling the true stories of six people who were wrongfully convicted and later exonerated in Ohio? Source: "Cincinnati Opera has premiered a new opera that chronicles the stories of six people wrongfully convicted in Ohio and in the process, puts America's criminal justice system on trial" [39]
  • Reviewed: This is my fifth (last) exempt nomination.

Created by Kenirwin. Self nominated at 15:16 UTC, 3 August 2019. Not sure why this text didn't auto-generate, so I'm writing it by hand.

Articles created/expanded on July 31[edit]

Franziska Martienssen-Lohmann

  • ... that the lieder singer and pedagogue Franziska Martienssen-Lohmann wrote a book Der wissende Sänger (The cognisant singer), first published in 1956 and reissued in 2010? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Rock parrot
  • Comment: She gave international master classes with her husband, but long time ago, so I think that being cited in current books on voice training is more interesting. Is there a better translation of the book title? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

User:The Rambling Man is welcome to review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

When have we eaten from the same dish

People eating of the same dish
People eating of the same dish
  • ... that the Spanish idiom "¿Cuándo hemos comido en el mismo plato?" (English: When have we eaten from the same dish?) is used as a social commentary about someone perceived to be taking too many liberties?
    • ALT1:... that the Spanish idiom "¿Cuándo hemos comido en el mismo plato?" (English: When have we eaten from the same dish?) is used as a social commentary about poor manners or incivility?

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the non-English references. A new QPQ is needed because it was incorrect. The image is free use. I will let the promoter choose which hook to use. The sentence "These traditions are juxtaposed with this statement, turning hospitality into a cutting remark." needs to be referenced. SL93 (talk) 18:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
    • @SL93:, QPQ? --evrik (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
      • A QPQ is a review of another nomination before an editor nominates their own, but it is only required if you have at least 5 DYK credits. I see that you don't have that many so a QPQ isn't needed, but I assumed that you needed one because you reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Old Town Road. SL93 (talk) 20:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Cesar Chavez Street

Muni bus on Chavez Street
Muni bus on Chavez Street
  • ... in 1995, the city of San Francisco renamed Army Street to Cesar Chavez Street in honor of the U.S. civil rights leader?
    • ALT1:... around 1880, the city of San Francisco built a cistern over the Precita Creek to build Army Street (now Cesar Chavez Street).

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 1[edit]

C.G. Jung House Museum

C.G. Jung House Museum in Küsnacht, Switzerland
C.G. Jung House Museum in Küsnacht, Switzerland

Created by Xabier (talk). Nominated by JFG (talk) at 20:07, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

  • ALT1: ... that psychoanalyst Carl Jung could afford to build his mansion on Lake Zürich (now the C.G. Jung House Museum) after his wife Emma inherited her father's fortune? Source: "An inheritance bequeathed to her by her father Johannes Rauschenbach-Schenk enabled Carl Gustav and Emma to start thinking about a new home for the family. The couple purchased a plot of land on the Lake of Zurich and built a house there in 1908, according to C.G. Jung’s conceptions." C.G. Jung Haus. C.G. AND EMMA JUNG-RAUSCHENBACH
  • Symbol question.svg age and size ok ,written neutrally and referenced. However source does not say Jung hosted her at the house as such, it only notes the timing of the two. So linking them in a way not in the source is (I think) Original Research..any other ideas for a hook? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:52, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
You're right, that's WP:SYNTHESIS strongly suggested by the book's timeline. Perhaps unduly sensationalist as well. I have suggested an ALT1 hook above. — JFG talk 19:23, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 2[edit]

Ursula Boese

Ursula Boese
Ursula Boese
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: ... and we haven't mentioned Pavarotti yet ... - I don't know any other singer making there debut in Bayreuth!

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 07:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Gerda, you forgot the word contralto in ALT1. Grimes2 (talk) 15:15, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
No, I wanted to shorten it. I thought that people either know what voice type Fricka is, or won't care. For Iocaste, I wasn't sure if enough know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but then you can remove the "the". Grimes2 (talk) 16:02, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Oops, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
User:The Rambling Man is welcome to review. - I hope fixing my mistake doesn't count as review ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

International Agrarian Bureau

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 11:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

Morningside Park (Manhattan)

  • ... that though New York City was given jurisdiction over the site of Morningside Park in 1870, it took over two decades to complete? Source: NYC Parks
    • ALT1:... that in 1968, students at Columbia University protested against their college's proposed construction of a gym at Morningside Park? Source: NYC Parks
    • ALT2:... that New York City's Morningside Park was proposed to avoid expanding the Manhattan street grid across extremely steep terrain? Source: NYC Parks
  • Reviewed: QPQ pending
  • Comment: More hooks to come

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 04:31, 2 August 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 3[edit]

Before Freedom: Nehru's letters to his sister 1909-1947

Jawaharlal Nehru and his sister Nan
Jawaharlal Nehru and his sister Nan

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 15:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC).

Mark E. Silverman

  • ... that in 1968, Mark E. Silverman and John Willis Hurst used a Sherlock Holmesian approach to show that the condition of the heart might be found in clues in the hands?
‘The hand and the heart’ (Am J Cardiol, 1968 Nov;22(5):718-28), in which he put forward the idea that certain heart conditions manifested in abnormalities of the hand. The article begins with a quote from James Bond and emphasises a Sherlock Holmesian approach to bedside medicine.[41]. Mark E. Silverman and Dr. J. Willis Hurst of Atlanta's Emory University School of Medicine presented their latest hand-and-heart findings to the American College of Cardiology...The hand is a valuable clue not only to a man's occupation and habits, but also, in many cases, to the condition of his heart.[42]
    • ALT1:... that ...?

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 14:25, 9 August 2019 (UTC).

Battle of Río Bueno

Bueno River as seen from Chile Route 5.
Bueno River as seen from Chile Route 5.

Created by Dentren (talk). Self-nominated at 13:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC).

Islamophobia in Poland

wooden mosque in Kruszyniany, attacked in 2014.
wooden mosque in Kruszyniany, attacked in 2014.
  • ... that the historic wooden Kruszyniany Mosque was attacked during a wave of attacks on mosques in Poland? source: Journal article in Journal of Ethnic and Migration Studies, quote: What started as protests against one mosque construction quickly transformed into an unprecedented surge in attacks on mosques across Poland in the cities of Gdańsk, Poznań and Białystok. Yet perhaps the most devastating – not in scale but in symbolism – was the 2014 attack on the seventeenth-century Tatar mosque in Kruszyniany. A pig was drawn on the outside wall of the green wooden mosque and abusive graffiti was sprayed on the graves of the adjacent Muslim cemetery. The Tatars, having lived in Poland for several hundred years without experiencing hostility, were deeply affected by this unprecedented rise in Islamophobic attacks. This incident showed that, in the context of an unprecedented rise in Islamophobia, all Muslims are targeted through attacks on their places of worship, whether they have lived in Poland for centuries or just a few years.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lake Aguelmame Sidi Ali
  • Comment: The present article contains 1331 B of prose copied from Racism in Poland (to be precise - copied from a version prior to the removal of Islamophobia from the racism article (one the basis that "Islamophobia does not qualify as racism") - The present article 14KB of prose - so quite a bit over this.

Created by Icewhiz (talk). Self-nominated at 09:02, 9 August 2019 (UTC).

Hugh Quigley

  • ... that Scottish economist Hugh Quigley was a member of the secret XYZ Club in the 1930s?
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 23:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC).

Qarhan Playa, Dabusun Lake

Dabusun Lake, the largest actual lake in the Qarhan Playa
Dabusun Lake, the largest actual lake in the Qarhan Playa
  • ... that Qarhan (pictured)—sometimes called the largest salt lake in China—isn't a lake at all, but an enormous playa?
    • ALT1:... that the Qarhan Playa (pictured) alternated between being a freshwater and saltwater lake nine times in the last million years, giving it enormous reserves of salt, potash, and lithium?
    • ALT2:... that an accidental discovery in the Qarhan Playa (pictured) in the 1950s eventually reduced China's dependence on Canadian potash?
    • ALT3:... that Dabusun Lake (pictured) in China's Qarhan Playa has a mean annual temperature of only 0.1 °C (32 °F) despite lying at the same latitude as Greece, Algeria, and Virginia?
  • Comment: Kindly don't add extraneous links to the hooks above. If people want to learn more about playas &c., they can click through to the article I've worked on, learn some stuff, and move on from there.
  • Reviewed: Changsha Kingdom & The Haunted Island

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 04:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

Ottaviano Nelli

  • Reviewed: Shirley Chisholm State Park
  • Comment: The first two references are not from me and I can't read them, but I assume good faith towards the article creator.

5x expanded by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC).

Jessie Coles Grayson

  • ... that when Jessie Grayson played Mrs. Higbee in Cass Timberlane, it was the first time an African-American servant had been addressed on screen by the honorific "Mrs."? "Veteran colored screen actress Jessie Grayson ... soon to be seen as the housekeeper in MGM's "Cass Timberlane", adds to her stature in this picture when she becomes the first Negro credited and addressed as "Mrs." in a Hollywood film." Source: 'Hollywood calls Negro "Mrs." For First Time, Alabama Tribune, 24 October 1947, p. 6.
    • ALT1:... that when Jessie Grayson played Mrs. Higbee in Cass Timberlane, it was the first time an African-American servant had been addressed in a Hollywood film by the honorific "Mrs."?

Created by RebeccaGreen (talk). Self-nominated at 14:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 4[edit]

Ester Peony

Ester Peony
Ester Peony

Improved to Good Article status by BabbaQ (talk) and Cartoon network freak (talk). Nominated by BabbaQ (talk) at 23:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg First of all, both hooks are referenced with citations from a tabloid newspaper (and they're also quite uninteresting: "did you know that not everyone likes musician's music?"). This raises another issue: how is it that this article was able to pass a GA review (quite rubber-stamp, incidentally) with such poor sourcing? Not just the tabloid articles, which seem to provide the major source of information for what's in the article, but also a blog and direct links to the iTunes store. I'm sorry, but this article clearly fails DYK, and should really be submitted for a second GA review. Dahn (talk) 10:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Bring that up with Cartoon network freak who is the one responsible for the GA nom and improvements. I am here for the DYK. I do not share your comcerns for the sources. But I can surely bring another hook.BabbaQ (talk) 11:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Please see WP:DYKRULES, which specifically instructs that articles can only be considered if they're up to minimal standards, including on sourcing. We don't separate the issues. Dahn (talk) 13:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Additionally, it appears that the QPQ was absolutely perfunctory, which only adds to the nom's problems. Dahn (talk) 16:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • If anything, I'd take this to GA review for some instances of confusing phrasing and poor structure (section layout). Perhaps the DYK can go on hold whilst issues are addressed. Kingsif (talk) 16:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
GA review here, for those interested. Kingsif (talk) 17:38, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

WCLM (Chicago)

  • Comment: Request August 27, which is the final day the FCC allowed the station to operate in 1966. They may have closed down earlier in the month, but the Chicago Tribune has no mention of the station closing.
  • Reviewed: 2019 WPA World Ten-ball Championship

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 19:07, 4 August 2019 (UTC).

Timothy Meaher

  • ... that Timothy Meaher owned the slave-ship Clotilda that was responsible for the last illegal transport of slaves from Africa to the United States of America in 1860? Source: from article "owned the infamous slave-ship Clotilde" that was "responsible for the last illegal transport of slaves from Africa to the United States of America in 1860""
    • ALT1:... that Timothy Meaher burned the slave-ship Clotilda to hide the fact that he was contravening the 1807 Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves for a bet? Source: from article "The illegal capturing and transporting of slaves was made as a bet to see if Meaher could avoid the 1807 Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves."

Created by Master Of Ninja (talk). Self-nominated at 12:40, 4 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is in date and long enough (just). I've removed 'infamous' from the article and hook, it's a bit of a value judgement and purple prosey. No QPQ needed. I find the article quite stubby, there's very little about Meaher. The find a grave source has a wealth of detail on his life, but can't be used here as it is not considered a WP:RS (and would need replacing in the article). There's perhaps more you might include from this obituary and perhaps this source. The book on the event must also have some detail on the man. At the moment the article seems to raise a lot of questions that would be interesting - what were the terms of the bet for example? Who was it with? Who helped in the enterprise? How many slaves? Where from? Why was Meaher rich and wealthy? What did he do in later life? At the moment the only details that seem to appear in this article and not in say Clotilda (slave ship) are Meaher's early life and death details, both of which are sourced to findagrave. Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines#Other supplementary rules for the article D7 says "Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are ... likely to be rejected." I think this could be an example at the moment, unless the article can be further expanded? Spokoyni (talk) 19:42, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Coming here from WT:DYK, I suppose that while Find A Grave usually isn't considered a good source, I think it might be allowed perhaps just for citing the burial location, though a second (reliable) source should probably be included as well just to make sure. I have to agree that right now, while the article seems okay, it only seems to barely discuss his birth and death and instead mainly focuses on the slave ship itself. Nothing regarding the circumstances of why he started in the first place, how it ended, other important matters, etc. This could be allowed if let's say an attempt was made to search for such information without success, but until then, D7 may apply. @Master Of Ninja: Will you be able to expand the article in regards to more information about Meaher's personal life? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • There has been no response from the nominator, who has been inactive since the day of the nomination. @Master Of Ninja: Considering how many issues there currently are in the article, a prompt response would be needed for this to be successful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:41, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Sorry. Only back to see wikipedia today. Withdraw as minimal time to make improvements in a timely manner. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 20:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 09:29, 4 August 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 5[edit]

Air campaign of the Uganda–Tanzania War

  • ... that Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi ordered his air force to attack a city during the Uganda–Tanzania War, but his bomber instead hit a game reserve and killed antelopes? Source: "In a bid to force Dar es Salaam to call off the invasion, Qadhafi ordered an airstrike against the Tanzanian city of Mwanza with the lone Libyan Tu-22 operating out of Kampala. The aircraft managed to miss the entire city, and its bombs killed a large number of antelope when they landed in a nearby game preserve." (Pollack, Kenneth Michael (2004). Arabs at War: Military Effectiveness, 1948–1991, p. 372)
    • ALT1:... that Libyan bombers accidentally attacked a game reserve and the wrong country during the air campaign of the Uganda–Tanzania War? Source: "Late on 1 April, a LAAF Tu-22 bomber which approached at low altitude over Lake Victoria attempted to hit the fuel depot at Mwanza. The bombs missed not only all of their targets but the entire city, and landed in a nearby game reserve, injuring one person and killing six antelope and serveral birds. Similarly, another attack by Tu-22s against one of the Tanzanian bases south of the border ended with Libyan bombs landing near Nyarubanga - inside Burundi!" (Cooper, Tom; Fontanellaz, Adrien (2015). Wars and Insurgencies of Uganda 1971–1994, p. 35)
    • ALT2:... that Ugandan President Idi Amin responded to an air strike during the Uganda–Tanzania War by running "into the street screaming incoherently"? Source: Cooper, Tom; Fontanellaz, Adrien (2015). Wars and Insurgencies of Uganda 1971–1994, p. 35

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 21:08, 10 August 2019 (UTC).

Ai Fairouz

  • ... that prior to starting her career as a voice actress, Ai Fairouz studied at a graphic design school and trained as a dental assistant? Source: [52] ("ファイルーズ いえ、親に反対されたので一旦は諦めて、グラフィックデザインの専門学校に進んでイラストを勉強していました。でも3年生のときにどうしても声優になるのを諦めきれなかったので、母に「卒業後は声優養成所に行きたい」と言ったんです。すると「あなたは就職活動がしたくないからそう言っているだけ。きちんと就職して1年間働いて、そこで貯金したお金で養成所に行くなら認める」と言われたので、専門学校卒業後は1年間歯科助手をして養成所に入りました。")
    • ALT1:... that voice actress Ai Fairouz's interest in anime and manga was influenced by her reading the series JoJo's Bizarre Adventure in online Skype sessions? Source: [53] ("ファイルーズ 6部の「ストーンオーシャン」です。「私も徐倫みたいに強くならなければ!」とすごく勇気をもらえました。そしてネットで「ジョジョ」仲間を増やしていったんですけど、当時はファンがマンガを朗読する動画を投稿するのが流行中で。それで私もSkypeを使って「ジョジョ」の朗読会に参加したら、すごく褒められたんです。すごく嬉しかったですし、朗読することで「ジョジョ」の世界の住人になれたみたいで……その朗読会は不定期開催だったので、もう次の開催が待ちきれず「ジョジョ」の1巻からずっとひとりで、台詞だけでなく擬音も含めて朗読していました。そんなことをしている内に「本物の声優になって、『ジョジョ』がアニメになったら出たい!」と思い、この道を目指し始めたんです。")
    • ALT2:... that voice actress Ai Fairouz, who played her debut role as Hibiki Sakura in the anime series How Heavy Are the Dumbbells You Lift?, is Egyptian-Japanese? Source: [54] ("その第1回では、企画のホストとなるファイルーズさんにインタビューを実施。エジプト人の父、日本人の母を持つ彼女が声優の道を志し、そして「ダンベル」でデビューするまでを、寄り道満載で語ってもらいました。")

Moved to mainspace by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:07, 5 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Hooks are not very "interesting" ALT0 says a person is doing something professionally but studied something else. Alt1 says a person liked reading comics and ALt2 says a person is of xyz ethnicity. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 14:26, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't know about you but dentistry and voice acting seem to be pretty distinct fields and I don't think there's much overlap between people who've worked or trained in both. It would be at least a similar situation to telephone company engineers becoming government ministers. In any case, do you have any possible suggestions for a different hook? There's still the part about her studying in Cairo, Egypt earlier in life, but it's also an "ethnicity" hook so I'm not sure if you'd find it suitable. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Italian Nettist Party

Corrado Tedeschi (Italian Steak Party)
Corrado Tedeschi (Italian Steak Party)

Created by Holapaco77 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - I have no clue what you are trying to say exactly, but it certainly sounds interesting.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svgMJLTalk 04:48, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

By the way, this is your fifth nomination. Future nominations will require you have a review to meet QPQ. –MJLTalk 04:55, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@MJL:  Done: I got source for the political program and reviewed the hook. Thanks. --Holapaco77 (talk) 06:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Holapaco77: I copy-edited the hook further just to make it flow better. I also edited the article to add a quote box for my now favorite quote of all time. However, I identified a fact in the lead that is not verified in the body. That and the general copy-editing maintenance tag need to be fixed before this can be given the go-ahead. Cheers! –MJLTalk 06:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@MJL: Ok perfect, thanks a lot. I fixed the fact with an existent note. About the cleanup tag, I put it because I'm not an english mothertongue so I hope someone could help me: if you think the article is ok for an english reader, please remove the tag. --Holapaco77 (talk) 13:14, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@Holapaco77: Okay, I removed the tag since you were the one who placed it. There is one last thing that needs to be sourced, and I'm pretty sure this is good. If not, then the folks prepping this nomination will likely catch it better than I could. –MJLTalk 14:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 6[edit]

Kastner & Öhler

Interior of the store in Graz
Interior of the store in Graz
  • ... that today's chain of department stores Kastner & Öhler based in Graz (interior pictured), began as a shop for mercery in 1873 that was the first in Central Europe to introduce fixed prices which enabled mail order? Source: [55]
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Sorry, I missed a day in nominating. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 06:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Four statements in there which need referencing. I can see plenty of opportunity for good hooks though, so once we get the article up to scratch, this should be a breeze! (Oh, and once you've done your QPQ!!) The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Fixed most of the "citation req" by a new ref which offers cute images! Dropped the coats of arms thing, as I couldn't find a ref. - I will be out for the day, singing on Fridays, so take your time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Yuri Korolev (ice hockey)

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

Beth Van Duyne

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 00:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I'm not 100% convinced she meets WP:NPOL on the grounds of the WaPo and HuffPo pieces, since the rest is just local coverage, but it's not a hill I'm gonna die on. Article length and newness is sufficient, sources are reliable and used throughout the article. Neutrality, grammar, and copyvio all good. That being said, before I can give a green tick, the hook needs more detail to be interesting. Who's Beth Van Duyne, and why should the reader care enough to click further? Also, please include the source in your nominations - it's annoying to have to dig it up, and the template does ask for it. ♠PMC(talk) 12:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Premeditated Chaos, it's considered optional to provide the source, but I'll get it when I post QPQ I'm about to do. She doesn't meet NPOL, likely, but meets GNG as she got nationwide coverage over her.... mayoralty. Which I have avoided mentioning in the hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Premeditated Chaos, QPQ and hook citation provided. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough, but I still think the hook is boring. There needs to be something...hooky about it. ♠PMC(talk) 21:34, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Premeditated Chaos, I'm not against finding a more interesting hook. Is there a way to word her fear of Sharia law that isn't a BLP violation? I'm thinking... – Muboshgu (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
No idea. At the very least it needs more detail to make people interested in clicking on her. Otherwise it's just... "Did you know that Some Person You Don't Know got into politics because of zoning?" Which... is not interesting to the average reader. It does not drive curiosity. ♠PMC(talk) 22:28, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Good (political party)

A Good party campaign bus in Cape Town during the 2019 South African general election.
A Good party campaign bus in Cape Town during the 2019 South African general election.

Moved to mainspace by Lefcentreright (talk). Self-nominated at 15:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Does not appear to have been expanded significantly in the last 5 days. It's 3094 characters (502 words) today and was 3104 characters (505 words) on June 5, 2019. Unless I'm missing something? Hooks are pretty much the same but are sourced for what its worth.-- Patrick, oѺ 21:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Memorial and Education Centre Andreasstrasse

Former Stasi prison, Erfurt, Germany
Former Stasi prison, Erfurt, Germany

Source: Wüstenberg, Jenny (2017) Civil Society and Memory in Postwar Germany, p 223 + "Dies war ein Meilenstein der Friedlichen Revolution"-Voit, Jochen (2016). Gendenkstätte Andreasstraße: Haft, Diktatur und Revolution in Erfurt, p.4 + How ordinary people smashed the Stasi in The Local, 4 December 2014.

  • Reviewed: Eunice Parsons
  • Comment: Can it please go up on 3 October, the anniversary of German reunification

Created by Felixkrater (talk). Self-nominated at 13:12, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

1275 British earthquake

Glastonbury Tor with the 14th century church tower
Glastonbury Tor with the 14th century church tower

Created by MIDI (talk). Self-nominated at 11:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and well referenced. Hook is interesting and verified with sources. Image looks good and is freely licensed. QPQ is done. The only issue is that the sentence "that the shock was strongest on the south coast and less strong in the north" is copied verbatim from the source and needs to be rephrased. -Zanhe (talk) 06:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 7[edit]

Britten's Purcell Realizations

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC).

Lučko Airport, Lučko Anti-Terrorist Unit

Created/expanded by Daß Wölf (talk). Self-nominated at 13:16, 13 August 2019 (UTC).

Plymouth Lifeboat Station

Plymouth Lifeboat Station
Plymouth Lifeboat Station

5x expanded by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self-nominated at 17:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I'm thinking that a new hook is probably needed: the current one is just not very interesting if you don't know what a Grade II listing means. Reading through the article, it appears that the building has had quite a history, including the accomplishments of its staff. Perhaps a hook based on that could be suggested here? In addition, the first paragraph in the "service awards" section seems to be a bit too-puffery sounding, so perhaps it could be revised. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:46, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Uninvolved editor, apart from a little copyediting, personally I quite like this little fact. Not often that you think of lifeboats being able to rescue aircraft. With this alt though it might be better to avoid using the picture, as according to the history of the station, the building didn't become part of the station until 1992. Spokoyni (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I wrote the hook about the building as that is, in my mind, the most unusual thing about the station. I don't know of another lifeboat station built in a tower, let alone a listed one - most are single storey boat houses. If you want to go with the flying boat rescue then the hook ought to be ... that the Plymouth Lifeboat saved a flying boat during the Second World War? I've tightened the prose of the Service Awards section, but I'm happy for someone else to take a look at it. Geof Sheppard (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Woody Myers

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 02:33, 8 August 2019 (UTC).

  • How about:
  • That's a little more detailed. ♠PMC(talk) 12:12, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Enter the Anime

  • ... that the interviewer in the documentary Enter the Anime did not know anything about anime?

5x expanded by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

House and Land

House and Land perform in Brooklyn, New York in July 2017
House and Land perform in Brooklyn, New York in July 2017
  • ... that experimental folk band House and Land have reinterpreted traditional ballads to remove misogyny by focusing on female protagonists? Source: "they’ve often tweaked songs that bore strains of misogyny or violence, which they feel is integral to the work of interpreting traditional songs." [60]
    • ALT1:... that female duo House and Land covered the traditional murder ballad "Two Sisters" as a harmony on the guitar and banjo in 2019? Source: "Despite its bleak narrative of extreme sibling estrangement, murder ballad "Two Sisters" sets the scene serenely with Morgan's banjo and lead vocals complemented charmingly by Henson's harmonies and electric guitar lines." [61]

Created by Patrickneil (talk). Self-nominated at 21:45, 7 August 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 8[edit]

Donald Dean Jackson

Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 03:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC).

  • On it. Also restored "that" to the hook and fixed grammar. [OP may want additional links to Meriwether Lewis and William Clark, but I'll leave that to h(im|er).] — LlywelynII 07:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg New enough; long enough (~5k elig. chars. even after removing some duplicate duplication of identical duplicates); WP:BLP not applicable; reasonably well sourced (lack of publication details and needless duplicate citation of published works issues for the article's talk page, not here); numerous typos (fixed); some lingering article issues (the article should be listed at Donald Jackson (disambiguation); most of text in the #Works section belongs in the #Career section; a work labeled important in the #Works lede isn't discussed in the #Works section while an entirely unmentioned work gets the longest subsection in the article; some articles lack their location; some references are badly formatted; &c. &c.) but none of them rise to the level of being a policy/DYK issue and are better addressed on the article's talk page (done); Earwig finds minimal copyvio, with high numbers just from the lists of publications; QPQ done.

    On the other hand, Google snippet absolutely fails to return anything matching "writingest" in the work cited and other combinations of words from the quote also fail to bring up the supposed cite or even relevant page. I don't doubt OP's word and it's possibly just an optical scan record glitch, but it's as good a reason as any to insist on a different hook that's focused on D.D. Jackson himself rather than sth he supposedly said at some point about someone else's work. (The article also previously made it confusing whether Jackson was talking about L'n'C themselves or their entire team, but I rephrased that sentence for better clarity.) Coming up with a better, more relevant hook should also help fix the state of the current #Life/Career section, which is presently just a list of degrees and associations from obituaries/professional overviews rather than a discussion on what the guy did and what his approach to it was. — LlywelynII 09:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your improvements on grammar and your interest. Just a comment about sources. There are many reliable sources that aren't (completely) viewable on line, and in many cases have been allowed per AGF. I own the book and can assure you the hook was covered on p. 218. If we were to rid WP of any source that was not completely viewable, we would have to ignore 1000s of sources and would have to make mass deletions throughout. Having said that, here is another hook, with a source that can be completely read online. Yes, perhaps a hook more focused on Jackson and his efforts is in order. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Gwillhickers: That's a great source. I personally think it's more interesting that his journalism background was more important than any background with Washington, but the idea for this hook works. A) You need to use it and cite it in the article, ideally in the #Career section. B) I know it's debatable but I don't really think the source supports the idea that he was/felt unqualified (incapable, insufficiently credentialed, &c.). It was more that he felt unsuitable (or sth similar)—that he could do it but it should go to someone with a more focused Washington background—until they explained what they were actually looking for. — LlywelynII 02:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The source says Jackson "balked" at the idea of taking on the editing job because he felt he lacked the background regarding Washington's life. I suppose there are a number of ways to say he felt that he wasn't qualified. e.g.Unqualified, unsuitable, inexperienced, etc. In any case, I've added content to the section covering this area, cited by the same source. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 03:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Disappearance of Toni Sharpless

  • Reviewed: Nicholas Laucella
  • Comment: The anniversary I would like this to run on is August 23

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 20:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC).

Dorothy Dix

5x expanded by Mshemberger (talk). Self-nominated at 02:14, 9 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg @Mshemberger: This article is ineligible for DYK at the moment, and would require a lot of work to become eligible. As a pre-existing article it would need to be expanded by five times, but it has in fact been expanded from 2358 bytes to 5946 bytes, so it needs doubling in size to qualify. There are also unsourced paragraphs and sentences that would need to be cited. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Slender glass lizard

Improved to Good Article status by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:09, 8 August 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - I feel like if we mention the myth, we should probably debunk it in the same breath. Also, can we add File:Slender glass lizard.jpg to this hook?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Looks great for the most part. –MJLTalk 00:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • @MJL: ALT1 ... that there is a myth that the pieces of the broken tail of the slender glass lizard can grow into new lizards despite the fact that they do not? I'm fine with adding the image, but I don't know how to add it to this nomination when I didn't have an image listed previously. SL93 (talk) 00:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
    @SL93: [Thank you for the ping] That's a little wordy, so maybe I am overthinking it ('cause the word myth signifies something that isn't true for the most part). I'll approve you for the first hook, and if someone sees an issue with that during prep, they'll likely let us know. Cheers! Symbol voting keep.svgMJLTalk 00:32, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Slender glass lizard
Slender glass lizard
@MJL: This source from the University of Georgia probably uses a better term which is "common belief". It says it rejoins instead so new hook - (coming) SL93 (talk) 00:39, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that two common beliefs are that the pieces of the broken tail of the slender glass lizard can grow into new lizards or rejoin into a new lizard? SL93 (talk) 00:45, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@SL93: Ooohh, that gives me an idea of what we could do:
ALT1C:... that, despite the common belief a slender glass lizard (pictured) can rejoin with the shattered pieces of its broken off tail, this is just a myth? Source: Slender Glass Lizard (Ophisaurus attenuatus)
Does that sound good? (edit conflict)MJLTalk 00:46, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
I originally thought to add both things, but that works. Someone else probably needs to approve your hook though. SL93 (talk) 00:48, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@SL93: Hm.. I'm probably not experienced enough to know the rules on a two fact hook, and yeah you are probably right that I can't review my own hook.
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer requested to review the hook and consider the possibility of ALT2. –MJLTalk 00:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@MJL: I actually don't know if two fact hooks are allowed. Thanks for reviewing the article though and coming up with a great hook. SL93 (talk) 00:52, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@SL93: Looking at WP:DYKSTATS, it really isn't clear to me when two fact hooks are allowed or if Frank Sinatra was just a one time thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯MJLTalk 01:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 9[edit]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Australia

  • Reviewed: Assassination of Ali Sayyad Shirazi
  • Comment: I began this article with preliminary edits on Aug 7, but am counting 5X expanded from Aug 9 since the 5X expansion really began that day. Also, will be taking a wikivacation starting Aug 17 and will return Aug 21.

5x expanded by Skyes(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 17:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Plenty long enough with good and cited hooks (AGF on ALT1). I do worry about the timing/7 days, though, and would appreciate if someone more experienced weighed in. QPQ present. If the article is admissible in timing terms, it is good to go. Raymie (tc) 05:05, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


Sketch by Otzen of the hall of the Ringkirche
Sketch by Otzen of the hall of the Ringkirche
  • ... that in 1894, the Ringkirche was the first Protestant church to follow the Wiesbadener Programm of Johannes Otzen, focused on a free view to the combined place of altar, pulpit and organ (architect's sketch pictured)? Source: [62] and others
  • Reviewed: to come

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC).

Suli Lake, Dabiele Lake, Xiaobiele Lake

The Qarhan Playa, with Suli & other Bieletan lakes in the west
The Qarhan Playa, with Suli & other Bieletan lakes in the west
  • Reviewed: Will do. Donald Dean Jackson, Hai-Quan Mao; Claude Batchelor
  • Comment:
    A) Kindly don't add other links to the hook. We're here to promote newly created/improved articles and people curious about other topics can click through to find them and maybe learn something about what we've been working on.
    B) I've included a link to the S. Suli Lake since it is a new article to get some eyeballs & improvement for but it is not formally part of this DYK review and wouldn't pass. It's still too short with some details drawn from the non-RS Baidu Baike (China's knockoff of Wikipedia) because—as far as Google knows—this lake has literally not been separately discussed in the English language before this Wikipedia article at all. The lake, its affluent river, and its position in the DBT subbasin, however, are (inter alia) visible in the US Army map here; in the satellite images in Yu & al.; and in the Qarhan Playa map on p. 2 of this pdf. We could remove it from the hook, but I don't think that's called for by the rules and it'd be less complete and get fewer potential editors over to see it and help improve it from other Chinese sources.
    C) Yu & al. don't explicitly call out the BLT using this hook's exact phrasing, but this is a hookier version of what they're saying. To show the math: 6 areas have 15.2×10⁶ t of LiCl which are ≈80% of the reserves; BLT's reserve makes up ≈51% of that and is thus larger than any of the other 5; all the remaining reserves ≈3.8×10⁶ and thus even if they were a single deposit (implicitly but not explicitly denied) they'd still be smaller than the BLT deposit.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 07:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC).

Sanje mangabey, Parinari excelsa

  • Reviewed