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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
November 24 1
December 3 3
December 17 2
December 19 1
December 22 1
December 23 1
December 26 1
December 27 1
December 31 1
January 5 1
January 6 1
January 7 2 1
January 9 1
January 10 1 1
January 14 3
January 15 1
January 17 1
January 18 2 1
January 22 2
January 23 1 1
January 26 2 1
January 27 6 1
January 29 4
January 30 3
January 31 2
February 1 4
February 2 7
February 3 4 1
February 4 5 1
February 5 2 2
February 6 5 2
February 7 3 2
February 8 1 1
February 9 2 1
February 10 3 1
February 11 7 1
February 12 9 2
February 13 9 3
February 14 8 4
February 15 10 4
February 16 13 3
February 17 9 2
February 18 11 7
February 19 14 6
February 20 9 3
February 21 6 2
February 22 4
February 23 4 1
February 24 2
Total 196 55
Last updated 14:50, 24 February 2020 UTC
Current time is 15:01, 24 February 2020 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

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How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
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  • In the prep set...
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How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

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  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]

Subduction tectonics of the Philippines

  • ... that the Palawan Microcontinental Block which includes Palawan and Mindanao Islands, is colliding with the Philippine Mobile Belt? "Indenter-tectonics in the Philippines: Example from the Palawan Microcontinental Block - Philippine Mobile Belt Collision". Resource Geology. 55 (3): 189–198 [1]

Moved to mainspace by LkwkarenHKU (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 23:47, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I'll be claiming this for review and hope to finish within the next few days, but for now, I was wondering if a better hook could be presented here. Right now, it's a little dry and basically discusses a fact instead of highlighting something interesting about the topic. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg There is still an unresolved deletion nomination of the lead image. This DN needs to close before hook can be promoted. -- P 1 9 9   16:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I think this can go forward without the image. --evrik (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I propose Alt1 and Alt2 which may not be so dry. On the topic of the image we are not using it in DYK, and I argue that it is not an infringement. I don't think the nominator looked at the images involved. Just confused the credit. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:14, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
The issue now is that ALT1 and ALT2 sound a bit too technical. Maybe the wording could be revised to make them more layman-friendly? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Should we explain what ophiolite means in the hook? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:51, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Since ophiolite is linked in the hooks, it can be optional. The issue for me here is more that mentioning that these belts exist or that they're getting younger isn't really eye-catching and still feels dry. I think it might be a better idea to try a hook that doesn't involve the ophiolite stuff as it just might be too technical. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
It sounds okay, but it's unspectacular. Perhaps we can try something as to how the plate tectonics are a factor as to why the region has many volcanoes? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Do the microcontinents also have more hooky names, like "Palawia"? We could probably drop "in a process called subduction". Or describe it:
(I do think we need to qualify the hazard; parts of Yemen are a lot less safe...) HLHJ (talk) 04:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
I think that the alt4-6 would be OK factually, but the reviewer will have to figure out where the article supports those statements! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT5 and ALT6 appear to be mentioned in the lede (with citations, although they seem to be paywalled for me), so it might be good enough for DYK purposes. Considering current events, the timing of this nomination is probably proper. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Not just yet, I was only responding to Graeme's comments about where those ALTs were supported. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Note scale. You must be breathing the 2020 Taal Volcano eruption, Narutolovehinata5, when you can't see it; hope it's not too unpleasant, and best wishes for your wellbeing. HLHJ (talk) 19:11, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @HLHJ: I'm in Manila right now and won't come home until the weekend, so I was able to avoid the worst. It was really scary though since I could see the plume from my house, and the expressways were full of ash. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Nice timing, I hope you've dodged it all. A pyrocumulus punching through the stratopause is spectacular, but from a caldera diameter away... Having your house closed should have reduced the amount of nasties settling inside, too, and the ash corrosion to your cloth, mild steel, and such. HLHJ (talk) 04:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • When CTRL+F-ing, it seems the first ref for the hook (in the lead of the article) only says "All of these trenches are recognized as earthquake generation regions and are natural hazards to the country," and the second ref doesn't use the word "hazard" or "danger" and upon reading doesn't mention potential risks at all   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:37, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Alack, I didn't check the source. It doesn't seem implausible, and if it isn't in the source in some phrasing it may be citable elsewhere; a global geological hazard map, for instance. HLHJ (talk) 05:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Apologies, Graeme Bartlett; I forgot to sign the previous post (belatedly doing so now with the correct timestamp). The ping should go through this time. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:46, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The second ping worked. This bit of the hook "most geologically hazardous regions on Earth" sounds interesting, but when I search for that, I find Nepal, Iran, Kuril Islands, and this very page. So perhaps it is writing to sound senational. so how about this variant?

Text supporting this from the first ref also supports alt4 and this alt7: "Tectonic setting of a composite terrane: A review of the Philippine island arc system":

  • PS Philippines has one l and a double pp. It took me a while to learn that! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:51, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Yumul, Graciano P.; Dimalanta, Carla B.; Maglambayan, Victor B.; Marquez, Edanjarlo J. (2008), "Tectonic setting of a composite terrane: A review of the Philippine island arc system", Geosciences Journal, 12 (1): 7, Bibcode:2008GescJ..12....7Y, doi:10.1007/s12303-008-0002-0
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that the hook seems set. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Narutolovehinata5, are you still interested in reviewing this? Flibirigit (talk) 23:25, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately not, real life caught up with me and I no longer have enough time to review this. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I am happy to address any issues raised still. So we need a new reviewer. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:19, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:27, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Doing... Starting a full review for nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 23:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)


Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ?
  • Interesting: Red XN - ?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article was moved to mainspace on November 24, and nominated within seven days. Length is adequate. Article is neutral in tone. No plagiarism issues detected. No photo is used in this nomination, but the charts used in the article are properly licensed. QPQ requirement is complete. Article has one maintenance tag, and I have a few questions on sourcing and citations below. Multiple hooks are suggested. I will look over each one and post here shortly. Flibirigit (talk) 23:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Outstanding questions

  •  Done In the section "Palawan–Central Philippines collision zone", it appears that the introductory sentence and the three listed items may not be cited. Can either of the citations in the subsequent sentences cover these?
  •  Done In the section "Volcanic arcs", there is a [clarification needed] tag to resolve.
  • In the same section as above, I am unsure of the source of the final sentence in the paragraph. Maybe it's the previous citation?
  •  Done There are a few paragraphs that do not end in a citation. While this is not a DYK failure, it is not clear what it the source of the ending sentences. Please see the sections "Late Oligocene – Early Miocene" and "Formation of Philippine Trench".
  •  Done In the section "Tectonic hazards in the Philippines", there is no citation in the first subsection, "Volcanoes".
  •  Done The use of diagrams is very thorough and adequate. I am curious if any consideration was given for photo of physical features such as volcanoes, trenches, et cetera. This is not a DYK criteria, but a general question.
  •  Done Usually when multiple citations appear, they are in numerical order, such as [1][2][3]. This is not a DYK criteria, but a general suggestion.
I will post comments on the hooks shortly. Flibirigit (talk) 23:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Hook comments

  • I agree with the above comments that ALT0, ALT1 and ALT2 are too dry and technical to be appealing to a broad audience. I have struck those hooks. I will analyze the remaining proposed hooks ALT3 to ALT7. Flibirigit (talk) 00:28, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT3 would be interesting to a broad audience, and is factually correct. I do not see where it is explicity cited in the article though. The final sentence of the section "Palawan Microcontinental Block" is the only place in the article where I can find microcontents and subduction mention in the same sentence, but its not a great match to cite ALT3. The caption for the first image used in the article implies what is mentioned in the hook, but there is no citation in the caption. Flibirigit (talk) 00:48, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT4 is somewhat interesting, and might appeal to a broad audience. It seems factually correct, but I cannot find any statement in the article that says X leads to Y with respect to the Palawan microcontinent and volcanoes. This could be revisited once the sourcing is more clear in the "Volcanoes" section as mentioned in the questions above. Flibirigit (talk) 01:00, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT5 is interesting and would appeal to a broad audience. The hook uses the word "disturbances" which does not appear in the article, nor is defined. Citations for the hook are behind a paywall, and would be accepted by AGF. Flibirigit (talk) 01:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT6 is interesting and would appeal to a broad audience, and is the best hooks suggested. My only concern here is the wording "most geologically hazardous regions on the planet" in the hook, versus "one of the most hazard-prone regions on Earth, which is frequently affected by volcanic activities, earthquakes and tsunami" in the introduction. It would be best to use more similar wording, specifically the word "geologically". Citations for the hook are behind a paywall, and would be accepted by AGF. Flibirigit (talk) 01:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT7 is interesting and would appeal to a broad audience. I cannot find any statement in the article that says X leads to Y with respect to "extensive disturbances in the crust supporting the Philippines" and "produce many hazardous volcanoes and earthquakes" The hook uses the word "disturbances" which does not appear in the article, nor is defined. This could be revisited once the sourcing is more clear in the "Volcanoes" section as mentioned in the questions above. Flibirigit (talk) 01:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I have added references and a clarification. For selection of diagrams I suppose you can ask Karen here: user talk:LkwkarenHKU — there probably are photos of volcanoes available. As for trenches, any photo would be a black rectangle, as it is dark down there! I suspect very little photography in the ocean trenches — but really I don't know what's available. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
      • Symbol question.svg Thanks for the updates. Just one question remains outstanding for sourcing. I did not see any changes which addressed the hook comments listed above. Flibirigit (talk) 23:19, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
        • I have added text to the last sentence in the lead to cover alt7. Note the previous discussion that I was not going to try to prove the other hooks, as some are not factually correct. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:56, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
          • ALT7 is now properly cited, mentioned inline, and verified with the sources. A question still remain on the sourcing in the section "Volcanic arcs". Specifically the sentence, "Dating arc-derived rocks can constrain the timing for trench formation along with the tectonic evolution in Cenozoic". Cheers. Flibirigit (talk) 14:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 3[edit]

The Country Without a Post Office

  • Reviewed: Susmita Mohanty
  • Comment: Still looking for better hooks; maybe an image too.

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 11:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @DiplomatTesterMan: There are a lot of hook options here...I'll come around to that in a minute. This is new enough and long enough, QPQ pending. I don't see any textual issues. As to the hooks...
  • ALT0: The abbreviation JNU is likely not recognizable enough for readers outside of India (I know I had to click the link).
  • ALT1: I've changed a couple of prepositions. I do worry it doesn't connect to the poem connection enough. That said, I think it's the best option of these. (Also, "accused" has one S.)
  • ALT2: This just doesn't...read right to me.
  • ALT3: Sounds repetitive.
  • ALT4: You kind of have to know James Merrill to get this one.
  • ALT5: Not very interesting; many literary works are entered into congressional records and similar.
  • If there's a better hook that's recognizable to international readers and is focused on the poem collection, it may be better than ALT1, but that's the only hook I like right now. Ping me when a QPQ has been done. Raymie (tc) 18:22, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Raymie: QPQ added. DTM (talk) 09:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Approved for ALT1. Raymie (tc) 22:55, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but ALT1 is too long and really isn't about the subject. The article also needs copyediting for English grammar. Yoninah (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • You make a fair point on the hook. Yoninah, thoughts? Hopefully DTM can do more copyediting; these Indian English articles are definitely a bit of an issue for me to appropriately edit. Raymie (tc) 00:59, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT6: ... that "The Country Without a Post Office" describes Kashmir as "a land of doomed addresses" in the 1990s, as postal services were stopped for seven months?
  • Thanks. I'll take a look at the alt later. But it's not Indian English to begin sentences with The poem was penned down against the backdrop of an armed uprising. Yoninah (talk) 01:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah I don't quite follow. By saying it isn't Indian English do you mean that the sentence structure is bad in general, or how someone other than an Indian would talk. I can give it for copyedit if you think the grammar is that bad. My bad. Confused.png Cry.png Face-glasses.svg DTM (talk) 15:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg OK, I gave the article a thorough edit. I tried to add another sentence showing notability to the lead, but it needs to be embellished, to explain why they are citing the title. In the second paragraph of "Impact and legacy", please explain in a few words what the revocation of Article 370 was, so we can understand what the poem's title has to do with it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the delay in replying. The editing done makes the article much better. Two main points have been asked:
  1. It needs to be embellished, to explain why they are citing the title?
  2. In "Impact and legacy" please explain in a few words what the revocation of Article 370 was, so we can understand what the poem's title has to do with it.
  • Will try to answer these and make the changes in the article accordingly.DTM (talk) 09:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I have tried addressing the questions, as well as making more changes to other sections of the article. I hope it is ok now? DTM (talk) 09:21, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Maybe now with this expansion different DYK hooks can be chosen too, apart from the one above. DTM (talk) 09:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@DiplomatTesterMan: yes, the article looks much better now. Thanks for the expansion. Would you now like to propose other hooks so we can finish up this review? Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Hooks cited inline. DTM (talk) 07:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @DiplomatTesterMan: Please remember that you're trying to attract an international audience that isn't acquainted with or emotional about the topic. You have enough information in the Impact and legacy section alone to come up with a punchy hook. Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah There are people who are not acquainted with or emotional about this topic within India, within Kashmir.
I agree with finding a more interesting hook. I’m trying.
But this “International audience” is a dicey thing. An Indian wouldn’t be able to understand all Indian history related hooks. A Portuguese wouldn’t understand a Spanish hook even though they are neighbours. An American sports fan wouldn’t be adept with American economics or astrology.
I understand that each hook much reach a “universal audience”, not only an “international one”. A universal audience within our own country as well as others.
So after this soliloquy, those hooks still remain. Gung ho! DTM (talk) 08:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Ocean Wind

Created by Djflem (talk). Self-nominated at 10:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, well sourced. QPQ done. Hook in policy. Earwig shows minor copyvio in the paragraph starting “Ørsted U.S. Offshore Wind...”, please reword this. The hook could be more concise: “ that Ocean Wind will become the largest offshore wind farm in the United States?”
Onceinawhile (talk) 00:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT is fine by me.Djflem (talk) 07:26, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Onceinawhile (talk) 08:17, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination is not ready as there are numerous bald URLs and also dead links. I started formatting the references but too many didn't open. IMO a different hook should be sought, as by 2024 there may be bigger wind farms. Yoninah (talk) 23:26, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah:. Refs are all formatted now.Djflem (talk) 09:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
I did some spot checking and am convinced it is ok to say "...is expected to become..." or similar, if that would work. See for example this recent article [2] which reviews all the major planned offshore wind farms. Ocean Wind is definitely the biggest scheduled by 2024. Onceinawhile (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Djflem: is that the best you can do for footnotes 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17? Yoninah (talk) 01:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC) Yoninah (talk) 01:17, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Refs done. Hook can stay. Djflem (talk) 19:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you. Restoring tick for ALT1, though I have my reservations about the hookiness of the hook. Yoninah (talk) 22:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination has been bothering me for a long time: the wording of the hook strikes me as a violation of WP:CRYSTAL: this is a proposed wind farm, the construction hasn't even started yet, and schedules are notorious for being pushed out by years. A lot can go wrong between now and then, so I have struck ALT1. Wording like "as proposed" and/or "is set to become" could deal with the hook issue; another issue is the prose, for example, in the "On-shore interconnection" sub-section, where what's written doesn't make sense. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: have "unstruck" my original hook & edited the section in question.Djflem (talk) 16:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Djflem, I was thinking that there might be an interesting hook to be made of the fact that the 1100 megawatt Ocean Wind will be using the decomissioned 619 megawatt Oyster Creek Nuclear Generating Station's electrical infrastructure to connect to the New Jersey grid. (That's a 77% greater generating capacity from wind than from nuclear.) The generation capacity of Oyster Creek would need to be added to that section, which I'm afraid still needs further prose work. The original hook might be more interesting if its size were given, or some indication of how it compares to the current largest (again, this would need to be added to the article). BlueMoonset (talk) 17:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: You are welcome to add any info and more references you'd like to to build out that section the along the lines you're suggesting, but don't know that it would make the hook any more interesting. I will trim it the basics (leaving the references in place) clearing the way. The three ALTS are cited inline, and a few editors have found them fine, and think it best to not hold it up any longer.Djflem (talk) 20:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Pinging Onceinawhile and Yoninah: would you be okay with the original hook? Or is another approach needed? If the latter, and you think my idea above sounds interesting, I'll see what I can do to turn it into an actual hook and add the necessary sourced material to the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I quite like your “is set to become” or “ is currently set to become” solution. Onceinawhile (talk) 00:12, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: I'm glad at least someone agreed with my assessment that a lot could change between now and 2024. I'm all for a different hook. Yoninah (talk) 00:17, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Okay, here's a first attempt at an alternate approach to the hook, now that I've redone that section of the article:
There are probably additional approaches, and if these aren't hooky enough we might try to add back that this is the largest proposed one in the U.S. Also, "is to connect to" could become "has secured the rights to connect to" (or even "is set to connect to") if that seems better. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
The first is the best; others try to say too much & are too wordy. Hooks with the superlatives (biggest, smallest, most, least), like this are "hooky". Additionally, Ocean Wind is an "offshore" wind farm, an important fact (which is a big deal since there is only one small operating in the USA). "Of all proposed" makes it more than clear that it is proposed (not crystal ball). Technically it isn't in NJ, the territorial jurisdiction of which ends 3 miles from the low water line.Djflem (talk) 16:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Djflem, we tend to give a certain amount of deference to the nominator, so if Yoninah is okay with the original hook at this point, then I'll let her supply the tick. If not, here's an ALT2b based on ALT2a that addresses the factual issues with the original ALT2 variants, both now struck (I think the comparison with the nuclear power plant is more effective than a superlative):
Adding something like "the largest such in the U.S.," before "is to connect to" would add a superlative if it's needed/desirable. —BlueMoonset (talk) 17:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Pinging User:Lee Vilenski, User:BlueMoonset, User:Yoninah, User:Onceinawhile

"is to connect to" is an odd irregular form to speak about the future and is not effective in a hook; plus it's a crystal ball: How do we know it's going to connect(?), since as has been mentioned, anything can change. The link to concisely handled "of all proposed" offshore windfarms is better than (the uncertain connection) to the closed nuclear power plant. Djflem (talk) 18:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Okay, I think I've spent enough time on this nomination. I had already covered the "is to connect to" by supplying alternates phrasings above that certainly aren't "crystal ball", but those are being ignored. I'll let the rest of you hash this out, but if you don't think that the comparison showing a new offshore windfarm having significantly more generating capacity than a nuclear power plant is hooky and interesting, then we have very different ideas about what makes a good hook. (And ideas about what is hooky and what is not do vary widely around DYK.) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset:. Thanks for your help with cleaning up the article.Djflem (talk) 20:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, saw myself pinged. I still find ALT0 rather boring and in line with all our "biggest", "longest", "oldest" hooks—a superfluousness that probably made them want to write the article in the first place, but doesn't make arresting hooks. ALT2, on the other hand, is terrific. I would tweak it this way to get rid of the awkward phrasing:
  • ALT2a: ... that a proposed 1100-megawatt wind farm in New Jersey will connect to the regional transmission grid via a closed 619-megawatt nuclear power plant?
  • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2a hook refs verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Onceinawhile. ALT2a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg.If you'r going to review, please read the discussion above and the problems with the ALT you are approving, which is factually incorrect and crystal ball. (Find it highly irregular to make and approve one's own proposal in one go. Is that normal practice at DYK?) As all other issues have been resolved, there is no reason to hold up this nom & original hook any further.Djflem (talk) 21:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • What are you referring to? I didn't write the ALT2 hook. I just changed is to connect to will connect and planned to proposed. All these I saw in the source. It does not seem crystal ball to me because of the word "proposed". It is just talking about the proposal. Your ALT0 also uses the word proposed, but I dislike superlative hooks. I have given my approval tick to ALT2a. If someone else wants to approve (and promote) your original hook, be my guest. Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

As was earlier corrected, the proposed offshore windfarm is not in NJ, is it? How do you know that it "will" connect to the nuclear power plant? Djflem (talk) 23:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  • This has been sitting for three weeks, so I'd like to try to move it along. The problem I always had with the original hook, Djflem, is that "largest" when the only active offshore wind farm is 30 megawatts is not that impressive; there's no sense of scale or how large the largest can be. I also wonder whether it's still true; this source talks about a 2,600 MW project that is "set for completion in 2026", so surely proposed and larger than Ocean Wind. Either way, I don't think it will serve, so I've struck it. Here are three alternatives that follow in the vein of the ALT2 variants in getting the size and making clear it's large by the comparison to that nuclear power plant, but (I believe) have all the facts correct; they get shorter by varying the wording of the connection (from "has secured the rights to" down to "can"); you're welcome to propose another hook if you're not fond of these:
Speaking as an outsider, I wonder if a hook that makes the wind farm-nuclear plant connection clearer and more obvious could be proposed. The numbers don't really seem to elicit hookiness from me and I'd presume that general readers may feel the same way; however, a wind farm and nuclear plant working together actually does sound more interesting. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:58, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Such as a simplified (or similiar)?

Cecylia and Maciej Brogowski

Created by Cyzbig (talk) and Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 10:52, 6 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough (3 December), long enough (2,170), NPOV, effective use of inline citations. No obvious copyvio, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing. Hook is interesting and short enough and cited inline and verifiable. Adequate QPQ provided. Good to go with ALT0. Cowlibob (talk) 21:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but this article gives no background or biography about the people the page is named for. Right now it is better named Rescue of Irena Sznycer. Can you provide any biographical details about the couple themselves? Yoninah (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for picking this up, I apologise for not doing so. It looks like all the information is around her rescue. The only details that are present are the year of birth and death of the couple, where they lived and how many children they had. So this article needs to be edited to redirect the focus. Cowlibob (talk) 13:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@Piotrus and Cyzbig: Courtesy ping regarding above issue. Cowlibob (talk) 17:21, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah and Cowlibob: Most biographies of the Righteous Among the Nations follow a similar format - they are individuals who are otherwise not notable for much else in their lives, and not much else is known about them outside the events related to WWII. The topic is notable and the article is long enough and as such I think it is eligible for DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:58, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Piotrus, no one has said that the article is not notable, long enough or ineligible for DYK. Yoninah simply suggested renaming the article to a more appropriate title, or otherwise adding more biographical details to make the current title more appropriate. 97198 (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, through my reply to this is that I think the article has an appropriate focus (or at least standard). So while more expansion would be nice I do not think it is likely. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
I've removed the orphan tag from the article as it's no longer applicable. Might be worth adding a few more links to existing articles though (and maybe the nav template at the bottom. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 17[edit]

Nucleoid

  • ... that a nucleoid is the bacterial way of keeping massively large DNA (1000-times larger than a bacterial cell itself) compact and well-organized?
    • ALT1:... that a nucleoid is the bacterial way of keeping massively large DNA compact and well organized?

5x expanded by Vermasc (talk). Self-nominated at 19:00, 19 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Hi Vermasc and welcome to Wikipedia. I regret to inform you that the pages at Nucleoid and Micropeptide are not eligible for DYK. Please consider reading the DYK rules again to understand the purpose of this project as it relates to newly created/expanded articles. Raymie (tc) 19:31, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
    • @Raymie: I believe that this DYK nomination is eligible under the 5x expansion criterion using content developed outside of article namespace. I can confirm that the content of this article was copied across from this page where it was initially written by Jogmiez and published under CC BY 4.0 as part of PLOS's 'Topic Pages' format to provide useful compatibly-licensed content for Wikipedia pages. Previous DYK examples in the format: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:08, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
      • @Evolution and evolvability: My apologies! The incorrect title and some other issues with the plugin I used prevented me from catching this. I am fixing the nomination listing and reinstating it under 17 December. Raymie (tc) 00:36, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
        • @Raymie: No problem, sorry for the confusion caused! I'm happy to help out with any further things that come up. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 01:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Getting to my proper review. New enough and long enough. This would be the nominator's first DYK credit—indeed, they don't have any other activity on the account but are the lead author on the PLOS Genetics listing. @Vermasc and Evolution and evolvability:, which one is the hook source/location? The article is large enough—58,000 prose characters—that I'm not finding it. As to the hook itself, ALT1 is better suited for the DYK but it doesn't seem right. Is there a better hook to be had? Raymie (tc) 07:03, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
@Raymie: Although doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1008456 could conceivably be the source reference, I think it's worth avoiding using it in this context, since it was also the source of the content. The appropriate reference for hook1=doi:10.1002/jcb.20519 and hook2=doi:10.1016/j.mib.2014.10.001. As for alternative hooks, are you thinking something snappier? Possible image might be cropped half of File:Subhash nucleoid 11.png. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 08:51, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
@Evolution and evolvability: I'll AGF on those then since they are paywalled. It's more the phrasing. I might write it like this with the same source: would you approve? Raymie (tc) 02:01, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: that in bacteria, nucleoids keep massively large DNA compact and well organized?
Using the singular is probably more more accurate (ALT3), but otherwise looks good. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 08:39, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT3: that in bacteria, a nucleoid keeps the large quantity of DNA compact and well organized?
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Raymie: I think Alt 2 sounds best. --evrik (talk) 21:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • My choice is for ALT3, per the nominator's scientific judgment, but another nominator should make the call. Thank you Evrik for the ping. Raymie (tc) 22:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Which section or paragraph contains the information to verify the hook? Flibirigit (talk) 23:17, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Section #Background paragraph 1 (two refs at paragraph end) and section #Macrodomains paragraph 3 (ref at end of first sentence). T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 10:18, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks. The article has been put together well and is very informative. I have a few small questions. The hook is verified, but the citation appears after a subsequent sentence. The citation must be at the end of the sentence which contains the hook. Sorry, that is a strict DYK rule. In the "Nucleoid-associated proteins (NAPs)" section, there are two whole paragraphs without a citation. Does [17] apply to the whole chart "Properties and the abundance of major nucleoid-associated proteins of E. coli"? There are several paragraphs which have citations within them, but also have multiple sentences at the end which do not appear to be cited. While this is not a DYK policy issue, I am unsure where the information came from. Flibirigit (talk) 17:30, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
  • No problem - I'll go through later this week to check the references and move/copy to the relevant locations where they're effectively supporting multiple statements. I agree that the current ref placement (espec in the middle of paragraphs) isn't good practice for being able to work out the real provenance of the info. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 23:12, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the update. I will keep an eye out for changes. Flibirigit (talk) 23:28, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I've read through the relevant references in order to check which are supporting single statements and which apply to the whole paragraph. Where I couldn't find what was originally intended, I've done a bit of literature searching to find an alternative. Let me know if you find any major holes! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 10:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg @Evolution and evolvability: Thanks for the updates to citations, everything is now properly sourced. As for the hooks ALT2 and ALT3, both are factually correct. I cannot find a sentence that combines "nucleoid", "compact DNA" and "well organized" into a single sentence. Sorry, have I missed it somewhere? Flibirigit (talk) 22:15, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
The closest match appears to be in the third sentence of the first paragraph in the "Background" section, but I don't see a citation directly at the end of that sentence. Please let me know if I missed it somewhere else. Everything else looks good to go. Flibirigit (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Kambo cleanse

A kambo ceremony
A kambo ceremony
  • ... that people willingly burn their skin and spread frog poison on the wound to detox themselves (pictured)?

Created by OneUpOnUs (talk). Self-nominated at 22:42, 17 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Problematic from WP:NPOV/WP:FRINGE perspective, because people do not "detox" themselves, they attempt to "detox" themselves; and then this kind of detoxification is not actually a thing, it's a fake concept. Alexbrn (talk) 09:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I had the same concerns; a better phrasing might be something like
I completely agree with both of you, such an obvious mistake. I like SpicyMilkBoy's alternate hook and I also have a another suggestion (although I think I still prefer SpicyMilkBoy's).
  • ALT0b ... that people willingly burn their skin and spread frog poison on the wound in the mistaken belief that they are detoxing themselves (pictured)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OneUpOnUs (talkcontribs) 22:20, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Just a comment, the link is somewhat misleading because it looks like it would link to the detox article rather than Kambo cleanse. It's best to state the name of the article in the hook. :) SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
In that case I still prefer yours. OneUpOnUs (talk) 23:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT0b could be interpreted to say that you can "detox" yourself, which in the alt-med sense is meaningless. ALTa works, but I'd suggest something more likely to pique curiosity than rejection. 04:56, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
In all of these suggestions, the reference is to "people." Is it better to say something like, "people in the West have been using a traditional medicine treatment…" or "indigenous people of South America have used Kambo cleanse, a practice that has spread to the West"? I don't think these specific suggestions are great, but note that it becomes clearer what is meant by "people." TheGreatConsultingDetective (talk) 09:22, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
That's a good point. Perhaps something like this (although the phrasing isn't so catchy - maybe someone else can punch it up):
  • ALT1: ... that kambo, a traditional practice among indigenous South Americans in which frog poison is applied to burnt skin, is used as alternative medicine in the West?
  • ALT0d ... that participants willingly burn their skin and apply frog poison to the wound in kambo, a South American folk medicine practice that has spread to the West?
I'm not sure about ALT0c because the "detoxification marketing myth" bit or equivalent wording isn't in the article and might be hard to include without getting into WP:SYNTH territory (even though it's obviously true). SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
The fact that something can kill you is always hooky. You'd almost think that we humans take an instinctive interest in learning about lethal dangers.Face-smile.svg The "marketing myth" is cited in the article liked to from "detoxification", which I think is acceptable, as that's what a reader will naturally click on if they want information about marketing myths.
There is a somewhat odd practice, especially in the US, of specifying ethnicity in medical contexts, despite the fact that it is usually either irrelevant or a proxy measure (say, for how many malarial ancestors you've had, or for poverty). I suspect this is an expression of a deep-running belief that the US-genic hypodescentic caste system has biological foundations (which it doesn't; biology is not hypodescentic). If the hook is talking about medical effects, not cultural context, I'm not sure that we need to distinguish traditional indigenous people from other people. The reader will probably figure out that we mean human people. While it's obvious that the Westerners modify the practice and use it differently, and this may make it more dangerous, frankly it would be more worth mentioning if they didn't, and this topic is a completely different hook. If we do go with a cultural hook (like ALT1 and ALT0d) we should say that the indigenous people are Panoans, rather than using only descriptive exonyms. HLHJ (talk) 21:10, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Very good points - to be clear, what led me to specify indigenous vs. Western use of the procedure is that it seems ahistorical to refer to the traditional practices as "pseudoscience", "alternative medicine", or "detoxing" - but it's fair enough to say that it should be assumed that the Western practices are different. We could bypass that issue entirely with a phrasing like
  • ALT2: ... that multiple deaths have been associated with the kambo cleanse, which involves burning one's skin and applying frog poison to the wound?
Except this hook doesn't explain exactly why people would do that - but maybe that'll make people want to click the link and find out. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 22:18, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
No that could work, the "cleanse" part hints at the reason why people do it enough I think OneUpOnUs (talk) 23:43, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Entirely agree on the ahistoricity; ALT0c, I think, accommodates this by addressing only the motives and outcomes for some participants (frankly, I know nothing about the traditional practice). "Cleanse" is a good hint, and we don't have to say why; ALT3 would be OK, though I think it weaker than ALT0c. HLHJ (talk) 02:05, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
That's a good option too. I think we might as well leave this up to the DYK reviewers now - we've given them a lot of hooks to choose from. And I'm getting tired of typing all these colons. :P SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 02:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. Although I've just thought, since "detox" does have some legitimate meanings, perhaps the wl should make this clear. HLHJ (talk) 16:56, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, including of the various ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Reviewing..., at least you guys gave me a lot to work with. Toreightyone (talk) 15:40, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Initial Review:

Article:
Newness:☑Y - created a day before nomination
Length:☑Y - 5664 B
Copyvio Check:☑Y - 36.7%, but the percentage is attributed to the quotes
Neutrality:☑Y
Grammar:☑Y
Sources:☑Y - every claim is sufficiently sourced, great use of scholarly articles

Hook:
Length:☑Y - all are <250 characters
Image:???? - For the image provided, I'm just curious as to where it mentions that the video is under CC BY-SA 3.0, usually Youtube videos would have to disclose the copyright within the description, within the video, or on their separate website. The only thing I found on [3] was that they reserve the rights to copyright.
Content: ☑Y - for ALTs 0a, 0d, 1, 4; I'll let the promoting admin decide as they all work
Neutrality:☑Y
Source:☑Y - within the article
QPQ:☑Y - Not required as first DYK nomination

Overall: Symbol question.svg Everything is good to go for ALTs 0a, 0d, 1, or 4, although some concerns need to be addressed regarding the image - please see the comments above. Thanks, Toreightyone (talk) 18:03, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your review. The video the image comes from is this one on YouTube, it mentions in the description that it's licensed under Creative Commons. When I click on the CC link in the video's description it takes me to a Youtube help page on CC. From there I clicked on the "CC BY" link taking me to the CC 3.0 page https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode which I understood to mean that the video was CC BY-SA 3.0 licensed. Hopefully I've done that correctly, it was my understanding that Youtube videos under CC license can be used? OneUpOnUs (talk) 00:33, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg ... How did I not see that, I honestly don't know how I overlooked that. Everything is good to go! I also substituted the CC BY-SA 3.0 license on the commons page with a Youtube-specific template. Thanks, Toreightyone (talk) 02:21, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
No problem :) OneUpOnUs (talk) 02:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT4, but there is no mention of the detoxification marketing myth in the article. The talk page also has a lengthy discussion of the impartiality of the article, so this will not be promoted anytime soon. Yoninah (talk) 18:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, I agree it's not yet ready. The article has some MEDRS problems (I think I've fixed or templated most of them). "Myth" is cited in the detox article to which it links; it this acceptable, or should it be repeated in the main linked article too? That kambo is a "detox" variant is now cited in the article, along with "detox" being a marketing strategy. HLHJ (talk) 05:36, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Wanted to comment in support of ALT0a. It's straight to the point and makes it clear that detoxing is a psuedoscience. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:20, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 19[edit]

Riyadh International Book Fair

  • Reviewed: Ocelot
  • Comment: First author created as an AfC, abandoned draft balanced and re-sourced by second author. A book fair which really cannot be called boring. I'm not sure what to use as a hook. Video presentations on how to reverse magic spells? Censorship of a discussion on censorship? Segregated discussion panels? Shouting matches, with accusations of blasphemy and idolatry? A war-themed book fair? Mein Kampf and Protocols of the Elders of Zion (permitted)? Dimples (forbidden)? Dramatic reversals on attitudes to women's driving activists? Women Who Deserve to go to Hell? Opinions welcome.
Please see talk page on the sourcing. HLHJ (talk) 04:35, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Created by Smny2018 (talk) and HLHJ (talk). Nominated by HLHJ (talk) at 04:35, 21 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Also, there are numerous maintenance tags on this page that need to be resolved. Give me a ping and I'll be happy to suggest some hooks for you when these are fixed. epicgenius (talk) 23:44, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • epicgenius, I've removed the maintenance tags, mainly by explaining the COIs of some of the sources inline. Independent sourcing is a difficult task for this topic (which is why it languished so long in AfC). HLHJ (talk) 03:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @HLHJ: Looks better. However, there's still a few "better sources" tags. Here are some choices you can come up with (all of which were mentioned in the article):
  • Lots of possibilities to choose from here. You don't have to pick just one. epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
I'll try to give this a review over the next few days, but tentatively ALT2 is the best hook among the three proposed. With that said, if we are to go with ALT2, we have to be careful with the hook wording and make sure that it doesn't make it look like we are condoning the criticism. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:25, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
It's a bit more complex even than that; I'm drafting a section on the political context to make that clearer. The first and ALT2 are part of a political dispute, reported on by interested parties, and ALT1 is a statement by a publisher anxious not to be banned from the fair. The local media carry claims about the size of the fair that are not only strikingly inflated relative to more independent sources, but as not consistent with one another (note that these do not appear in the article). The source for ALT2 is “Riyadh book fair is the most important book fair in the Arab world in terms of sales and attendance. This is not in question,” said Adel Al Hawshan, owner of Tuwa Media and Publishing. “This book fair accounts for at least 70% of our sales, and I know the number is similar to many Arab publishers.” The first is contradicted by independent sources; the second estimate seems a bit high, too, really, considering that more independent sources say that there are a half-dozen or so Arab-world book fairs which have larger attendance than Riyadh, in some cases by a factor of two.[4] Some other sources have publishers speaking off-the-record in fear of losing market access. The COIs here are complex, and the more I look into them, the more complex they get. I'll have another go over the whole article as soon as I have time. HLHJ (talk) 17:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @HLHJ and Epicgenius: It's been several weeks since the last comments here. Have the neutrality and COI concerns been addressed yet? The nomination cannot be passed while those are still unresolved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:06, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Narutolovehinata5, I've had a first go at it. It's prolix, poorly-phrased, and probably the balance needs work. Crit welcome. ALT0 would still work if we specified "some" Saudi clerics; opinions and clerics vary. No-one thinks any of the hook topic suggestions I made are good? I grant that some are rather trivial. HLHJ (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
All of them sound like good hooks, I'm more worried about possible neutrality or sourcing issues in this case. For example, with ALT1, it was already mentioned above that some of the sources that discuss the Book Fair might be promotional or puffery. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:20, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, Narutolovehinata5 I meant the ones I made in the "comment" of my initial nomination. Here are some newer suggestions:
I will cite any serious contenders. HLHJ (talk) 20:13, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
ALTs 3, 4, and 6 sound interesting, but I'm really concerned about the neutrality and political nature of these hooks. I'm not really comfortable with these sort of cases so I think it might be a better idea to ask an editor experienced in this area to do the full review, although I'm willing to help review other more technical aspects of the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:51, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
I have to say I also find this an uncomfortable article, Narutolovehinata5, and not what I expected when I adopted an abandoned draft on a book fair. The fair seems about as non-political as a US election... although government-controlled media have stated that it isn't political. The sourcing is difficult. I had gone over the whole article as promised, and removed most of the sources with COIs; the COI sources still used are flagged in-line ("The Saudi Ministry of Culture has announced", I will cite government media for). I also flagged all teh COI sources in teh ref tags, so that other editors would notice. I've just gone over it again, and strengthened the inline flagging of COIs (I may have overdone it, but I want to be clear). The remaining sources all seem to be independent of the fair, and reasonably reliable.
For any willing reviewer: In the hooks above, I asked myself if the message in question was one any of the parties involved wanted to put out; I felt that if it was, it would be more likely to be non-neutral. ALT4 is one that was publicized by a publisher, but clearly wasn't a situation they wanted. The rest involve contradictions between policies. I've tried not to include anything that either the Saudi government or the religious police (major parties to conflict at the fair) would put in a press release. For the next reviewer, on the solidity of sourcing:
  • ALT3 , "shouted down, honoured" is sourced to two notable journalists' blogs (these are seriously among the best independent sources on the fair); one of the journalists is one of those currently in prison. "Honoured" has a photo of an activist under an official sign naming an aisle at the bookfair in her honour. The disappearance of an academic after expressing something which could be construed as support for the women's rights activists (including the journalist currently in prison) is well-documented in the international media; apparently the academic had a post in France. This seemingly inconsistent policy path has more broadly (not with direct reference to the fair) been covered in major international media; activists campaigned for women's right to drive, the government legislated to allow women the right to drive and arrested the activists. It seems to be about discouraging activism on principle.
  • ALT4 , the publisher posted photos and gave interviews; the government confirmed the ban, though not the details of the actions.
  • ALT5 , the US one: sourced to US diplomatic documents and a State Department press conference, as I recall; the latter is only described in The Algemeiner, which I'm not very familiar with; it says that the questions were asked by a named AP journalist, but I haven't been able to find an AP report.
  • ALT6 , sourced to a Committee to Protect Journalists report; they say a journalist got assaulted

I'd really like to get this done. HLHJ (talk) 04:52, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review of this nomination needed by a new reviewer; review should include neutrality of both hook and article, and address other concerns expressed above. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 22[edit]

Wiener Hofmusikkapelle

  • Reviewed: Gilberto Barragán Balderas
  • Comment: A single sentence article created by DilletantiAnonymous on 12 December, and expanded by me on 22 December.

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk) and DilletantiAnonymous (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 21:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Hi Cwmhiraeth, review follows: article 5x expanded from 22 December; article sufficiently well written and cited inlie throughout to what appear to be reliable sources; there is no copyvio from the two English language sources; hook is interesting and mentioned in article, AGF on foreign-language sourcing; QPQ has been carried out. THis one is good to go for DYK but I found it strange that it wasn't linked from Vienna Boys' Choir and it could use some project tags on the talk page - Dumelow (talk) 10:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, I have done what you suggest. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I began making it long enough. Will have to go now, but am willing to do more later. The hook is too simple, as the Kapelle still exists, and the boys are part of it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Article has since been shortened and I now count only 1480 characters - Dumelow (talk) 12:44, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, the shortening was my fault, not intended, and I restored the sections. I still read the sources as not supporting the hook. The chapel was singers and players, and the boys only followed the singers. The Wiener Hofkapelle is today run by the state, it seems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:11, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
@Dumelow: It is plenty large enough now and I have added Gerda to the credits. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Length is now OK. I've asked for another opinion as Gerda has cast doubt on the sourcing. I had AGFed the foreign-language sources here as I don't speak German or Slovenian - Dumelow (talk) 16:50, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

The sources are fine, just the reading. I'll need a day or two until I can get to it, - a death of a politician to care about first, or it won't be "recent" anymore. - Spent all afternoon singing Bach ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, sorry about no response, vacation, two more people died ... - The hook is at present not what the article says: Kapelle is not a choir (compare Staatskapelle Dresden), but the group of musicians, singers and players, + it still exists, with the Sängerknaben part of it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, could you suggest a better hook then? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
That would have the boys' name in German, so if you want it English, you will have to do it - compare discussion of Thomanerchor ;) - Perhaps use just the place with a pic, and tradition to now? - Can you find a relation to Mozart whose birthday is 27 January? I am late to write an article about compositions (Salzburg, or we could make it a double hook), - may I ping you for review later today? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Since there has been no progress in this nomination as of late, how about an alternate hook like below?
ALT1 ... that Antonio Salieri once served as the conductor of the Wiener Hofmusikkapelle?
I would also suggest that the article be given a quick copy-edit, as some parts of the "History" section are a bit confusing to read and it's not always clear what the sentences are referring to. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Thak you for the offer, but I believe that we should rather help translating the German term, saying that it ware the musicians supplying church music for the imperial court in Vienna, than throwing in a name that I know, but how about the main page readers. Sorry, I had no time to work on the prose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Well if that's the case then you may need to be open to another hook because its suitability was questioned above by Cwmhiraeth. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth, DilletantiAnonymous, and Gerda Arendt: I will take a look at this nomination later today. epicgenius (talk) 17:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth, DilletantiAnonymous, and Gerda Arendt: All right, I have taken a look at the article. I think if we take "choir" out of the hook, it might be fine. Like this:
Or something else. As a reader, I'm confused if this still exists. See this for example: Today's Wiener Hofmusikkapelle consists of the Vienna Boys' Choir, male singers from the choir of the Vienna State Opera, and members of the Vienna Philharmonic. So is this an official group, or just a loose coalition of musicians? epicgenius (talk) 23:26, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, - it's tricky. This official source - office of the chancellor of Austria - says they took over the chapel in 2014, and I see no mentioning of a disbanding. If we want to mention someone famous: Schubert was a choirboy, Bruckner an organist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:42, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: That would be very cool, but it has to be added to the article first. epicgenius (talk) 00:26, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg @Cwmhiraeth, DilletantiAnonymous, and Gerda Arendt: The article appears to be translated from the corresponding version on the German Wikipedia. It would be best to give proper attribution and mention such on this article's talk page, specifically the Template:Translated page be added. The article appears to meet all other DYK criteria. ALT2 and ALT1 are the best options. ALT0 is slighty inaccurate as mentioned by User:Gerda Arendt. ALT3 seems too plain to me. Flibirigit (talk) 22:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: Thank you for the review. The article is not a translation from the German language Wikipedia. I am happy with either ALT1 or ALT2. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
The original version of this article made by DilletantiAnonymous is a direct copy of the equivalent German article The headers were changed from German to English, and the German prose was hidden in comments between the headers. The edit summary which created the first draft of this article did not give any attribution. I feel that attribution to the German Wiki article is necessary, as it can be considered plagiarism without. Flibirigit (talk) 04:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: Hmm... I had forgotten about that. None of the original commented out text remains so it would seem odd to add a translation tag to the talk page when the text never was translated. Ideally, one would alter the edit summary provided when the article was created, but I don't know if that is possible. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:29, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
It would also seem odd not to recognize how the article started. Attribution should be given on the talk page since the edit summary cannot be changed. Flibirigit (talk) 14:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 23[edit]

1966 anti-cow slaughter agitation

5x expanded by Winged Blades of Godric (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 26 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Please vet this, after a GOCE copy-edit. WBGconverse 14:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
This is not a review but that lead is way too long. per WP:LEAD, it should be a summary of the article, not a point by point description of the event. The maximum number of paragraphs is generally four. Another useful link to read: Wikipedia:How to create and manage a good lead section. Cowlibob (talk) 19:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Cowlibob, trimmed. WBGconverse
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg What this needs is a full review by a reviewer, not a response from the nominator. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 26[edit]

Abel Azcona

  • ... that performance artist Abel Azcona's works take his body to the limits and are usually related to social issues? [5] / see citation in article

** ALT1:... that Abel Azcona has been sued by the Catholic Church for his artistic work?

Created by Lolay1983 (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 16:16, 28 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg The ALT1 hook is interesting but the article itself is ineligible, due to not adhering to neutral point of view and lack of sufficient citations in a BLP. I encourage the nom to address the issues in the article and ping me for a re-review. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:46, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Lolay1983 and/or John B123, can you take a look at these issues? = paul2520 (talk) 13:37, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it appears that Lolay hasn't been active since the day of the nomination, so more eyes may be needed in any case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:41, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
I'll have a look. John B123 (talk) 20:03, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The original editor has since returned to editing and appears to have made changes to the article. A second look is requested; courtesy ping to K.e.coffman. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg @Paul2520: the page is still not eligible. As of today, there's a new set of tags on the article: 16 Jan version. Please let me know if you plan to do further work on the article. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, K.e.coffman. I can't commit to addressing these issues. I'm not the article creator or expander; I just nominated it as previously it looked like a great new piece.
@Lolay1983, John B123, and Narutolovehinata5: can any of you address the issues? Otherwise, we might have to retract the DYK nom. = paul2520 (talk) 17:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
@Paul2520: I've only really been involved in as far as fixing cite and other errors on the page rather than content. Lolay1983 is working hard to improve the article, but another couple of editors seem to be doing their best to frustrate his efforts. John B123 (talk) 18:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
@John B123: Yes!!! Thank you for your support. Please help me fix the handicaps!Lolay1983 (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The issues have now been resolved and the tags removed. A further look is requested; courtesy ping to K.e.coffman. John B123 (talk) 19:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@John B123: thank you for the update. I've removed excessive list items; I want to give it a few days before approving to see if these changes stick. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Which source supports the ALT1 hook: "Azcona has been sued by the Catholic Church for his artistic work"? No source is provided together with the hook. Since the source is likely to be in Spanish, I would appreciage a quote + a translation into Eglish, in addition to the link / source. --K.e.coffman (talk) 03:50, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
@Paul2520: ping the nom, just in case. --K.e.coffman (talk) 03:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I'll include the sources and some translation. I hope this helps everyone get a better understanding, if you consider that more sources need to be added to the wiki article, these next ones will help support the information. For the first time in Spain, the Catholic Church, represented by the Archbishopric of Pamplona and Tudela (who represent the Catholic Church in the north of Spain), come up as the whistleblower against Azcona and have had more than five years of trials.
In this source and text the intervewer speaks about the complaint against Abel Azcona, in this one I'll give you the translation:
For the Archbishopric of Pampñona and Tudela, Azcona's intention was to "mock" and "despise" Catholics. The most curious thing is that the ecclesiastical institution explains that "the fact that there have been some cases of pedophilia in the Church cannot justify the imputation of this despicable criminal conduct to those who profess a religion." The Archbishop is trying to downplay "despicable behavior" while recognizing the existence of "some cases", to confuse what was denounced by the artist with an alleged intention to offend every Catholic. The Court denies this argument and defends the artist's freedom of expression: if there is criticism or provocation there can be no derision, offense or befa.
The Archbishopric assures that the fact that there have been some cases of pedophilia in the Church cannot justify the imputation of this conduct.
[6]
In this source and text, they talk about the Church denouncing Azcona as well, I'll give you the translation too:
The Archbishopric of Pamplona-Tudela mobilizes against the exhibition by Abel Azcona
The metropolitan archbishop of Pamplona-Tudela, Francisco Pérez, has convened a mass of 'repair' this Wednesday, at 19 hours, in the cathedrals of Pamplona and Tudela, after the "attack on the faith" that in his opinion is the exhibition by Abel Azcona, which shows the word 'pederasty' with consecrated hosts. Francisco Pérez strongly condemned this action against "religious freedom" and against "all Catholics."
[7]
English news article about the persecution agains Abel Azcona because of his work, as explained in the wiki article there were 3 denouncers after the Catholic Church of Navarra, Christian Lawyers, who are part of the church as well, add up to the denounciation:
[8]
These are two new sources that talk about Abel Azcona in the trials:
[9]
[10]
Official website of the Church of Navarra against Abel Azcona and explaining the denounce:
[11]
If you need anything else, ask me and I'll translate for you. Lolay1983 (talk) 23:31, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Reviewer's comment: I am uncomfortable approving this article for DYK. The article creator appears to be rather inexperienced, while the nom has not assisted with verifying the hook, nor with addressing issues in the article. For example, the lead of the article currently states:
Azcona's works are exhibited [in] the Leslie-Lohman Museum of Art in New York[1]...
I checked the museum web site, which did not list Azcona in its permanent exhibition, which "are exhibited" generally refers to. It's unclear what else may be inaccurate in the article. I won't be able to continue to review the nom given the on-going issues with the page. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:52, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ SCAN (September 20, 2014). "Someone Else by Abel Azcona in New York". Scan Spanish Contemporary Art Network. Retrieved January 9, 2020.
@K.e.coffman: At the time of the "nom", it seemed to me that the article met the DYK criteria (being new, sufficiently long, well-sourced, reading as neutral, etc.).
I updated the wording of the line you mentioned; the Leslie-Lohman exhibit was clearly in 2014 per [12], so not current.
What are the other on-going issues you mention? If they are easy to address, I can take a look.
@Lolay1983 and John B123: I do want to say, great work -- the article is interesting and well-formatted! I'm very grateful to see the earlier issues addressed. I will request your help with the "on-going issues", but I can help where needed. = paul2520 (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
@Paul2520: It's unclear from the text provided above whether the Catholic church has indeed "sued" the artist. It appears that he was tried in a criminal court, prosecuted by the state. If you could look into that and provide a link to the source supporting the hook, that would be great. My general concern is that there may be additional misrepresentations in this BLP. I only checked one cite and found incorrect information. --K.e.coffman (talk) 17:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi K.e.coffman, thanks for clarifying. I see from [13] (linked above) mentions "The Spanish Association of Christian Lawyers has filed a criminal complaint for "desecration" against the artist Abel Azcona" (translated via Google). This is confirmed by the two cites on that line in the article, which I've updated.
I do slightly prefer ALT1, but both are good. However, this alternative is more accurate:
ALT1b:... that Abel Azcona has been sued by the Spanish Association of Christian Lawyers for his artistic work?
Unless you think we should use "The Asociación Española de Abogados Cristianos (Spanish Association of Christian Lawyers)".
Thoughts? = paul2520 (talk) 18:10, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I think it's easier to understand now. Thank you very much for the effort. Lolay1983 (talk) 23:17, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
K.e.coffman what are your thoughts? Can you approve this, with the updates? = paul2520 (talk) 00:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 27[edit]

Henry Speller

Moved to mainspace by Bgourgeot (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC).

Review

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Red XN - The nominator has to do a QPQ. The creator's status is not enough.
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg We don't need a citation for every collection and exhibition but something more seems needed, as is a QPQ. ALT1 is the best hook. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:45, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I did a qpq, see above. I hope the creator can help with the sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 31[edit]

Cartography of Palestine (region)

Map by Pietro Vesconte, 1321.
Map by Pietro Vesconte, 1321.

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 01:34, 2 January 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Most of the comments especially some lengthy ones in each boxes have no sources. You need to add sources for each comment even something as simple as "Copy from 1298" either inline or as a separate notes column. See 1892 Legislative Session of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Also your bibliography from Moscrop 2000 down to Fischer 1940 are not used and are exhibiting the "Harv warning". The bibliography needs to be better organized in alphabetical order by authors. Also the caption of the first paragraph contains a lot of uncited information as well. KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

This fact, cited or not, seems rather unlikely. I mean, what about Strabo's Geographica? It maps a whole series of countries. And the Ancient Egyptians did sophisticated cadastral surveys, and we have a geological map they made in ~1150 BC; I can't imagine that no map of Egypt was ever made. I mean, there was a well-established tourist industry in Herodotus's day, and tourists who had come to see Egypt would presumably have liked to see where they had been. I haven't even started on the quite sophisticated maps often produced by non-literate cultures, which are also underrepresented by history of cartography. Even if, by defining terms really carefully, and ignoring all maps not still preserved, and being a bit Eurocentric, you were able to somehow argue this one, it's an uninformative sort of fact that needs such hard-to-imagine qualifications. The linked article also dramatically contradicts the hook, and its lede contradicts most of its content. HLHJ (talk) 04:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
@HLHJ: thanks for this. I could resolve your first set of points by adding the word “known” or “surviving”, but I am quite taken by your second set of points. How about this version which may generate more clicks:
It’s worded ambiguously to keep it impactful, but the point is to refer to Ptolemy’s map. It could also be plural (maps) and refer more broadly to the first ten or so maps, given that, despite a few of the maps not using the word Palestine, all the earliest maps were created during the time of Syria Palestina, Palestina Prima and Jund Filastin (see also Timeline of the name "Palestine"). Onceinawhile (talk) 03:52, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Onceinawhile. Referring to the Ptolemaian map, or the first few maps, makes sense. I'm OK with hooks that have double meanings, and the hook would certainly hook attention. In the singular "map", ALT1 is not quite cited (something that explicitly said that X was the earliest known map, or the earliest known one of which we have copies), and in the plural, it isn't cited (and the Jerome map does not seem to say "Palestine").
On citability, I think Strabo did map that area earlier, and it seems unlikely that the Romans left no record of any map of the Roman province of Judea. You might make a "first" hook work here, but it's going to be difficult; and"some of the earliest known" or "some early" has less kick. If, once you've got all the information in this article cited, you aren't sure you can support this hook adequately, then I'll be happy read through it and discuss alternate hooks again.
Separately, I think that in order to use ALT1, the article would need a brief discussion of the history of various names for this region (possibly linked to the Timeline of the name "Palestine" you linked, and Timeline of the name "Judea", and perhaps Names of the Levant -- can't see one for "Isreal"), so that people would go away informed, and not determined to complain to someone (incidentally, should the article title use "Levant", given that the scope seems to be the geographic area, not the nomenclature? Do we have a policy on this?).
I don't think it would make sense to use the 1321 map in an accompanying illustration if the hook does not mention it (the mapmaker of the 1321 map also titles it "Terra Sancta", the Holy Land, and in his Latin caption, refers to both "Cesarea Palestine" and the sons of Isreal; he was working in Venice, so this isn't surprising). Of course, this illustration isn't necessary for your proposed ALT1 hook; you could change the picture, or figure the hook is hooky enough already and leave it out. HLHJ (talk) 05:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi @HLHJ: thanks for this. I’ll respond on your other points in due course, but on citability of Ptolemy I have: Nebenzahl, Kenneth (1986). Maps of the Holy Land: Images of Terra Sancta Through Two Millennia. Abbeville Press. p. 14. ISBN 978-0-89659-658-0. Cartography as we know it today begins with this spectacular map of the world at the time of Claudius Ptolemy. It sets the stage for the history of mapping the Holy Land... his work was to become the model for scientific cartography during the great revivals of mapmaking: the tenth-century Golden Age of Islam and the European Renaissance. The rediscovery of Ptolemy in the fifteenth century was particularly important for maps of the Holy Land; it ended the almost complete domination of mapmaking by Church dogma throughout the Middle Ages... Around AD 150 he produced his Geographia, the earliest known atlas of the world.
Your challenge re Strabo could be expanded to include many of the names in the list of Graeco-Roman geographers pre-Ptolemy, many if whom described the Palestine region in their writings. I would like to add a sentence on this in the article if I can find a source confirming that none of them made maps (or at least no maps that are known to us).
Onceinawhile (talk) 08:57, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Not in the least denying that Ptolemy was important. Eratosthenes might be a better counterexample than Strabo, he is known to have made maps (including all the world he knew) rather than just inspiring them, and he lived practically next door. Face-smile.svg HLHJ (talk) 04:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi @HLHJ: Ptolemy’s primary source, Marinus of Tyre, lived even closer than Erastothenes. And unfortunately none of Erastothenes’ maps survived, nor did any of the maps of the great Ancient Greek cartographers. See: Wilson, Nigel Guy (2006). "Cartography". Encyclopedia of Ancient Greece. Psychology Press. p. 145. ISBN 978-0-415-97334-2. As geographical knowledge improved, various writers recorded what they believed to be the spatial relationships of territories and peoples to each other, and it is from this information that many modern historical atlases present items such as the world according to Hecataeus or Herodotus or Eratosthenes: actual ancient versions of these maps do not survive (indeed, modern versions seem to originate in the 1883 volumes of Bunbury), although there do exist Byzantine versions of Ptolemy’s maps. Onceinawhile (talk) 23:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi @HLHJ: are you ok with me proceeding on this basis? Onceinawhile (talk) 10:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm not really OK with "earliest" or "earliest known". "Earliest surviving" might work if you can source it. "Cartography as we know it today begins with this spectacular map of the world at the time of Claudius Ptolemy. It sets the stage for the history of mapping the Holy Land" is not quite that; the phrasing is peacocky rather than factual, and does not make a falsifiable assertion. The article is still short on sourcing, and needs more context (I sometimes find the originals-and-copies history a bit hard to follow). On scope; the Palestine (region) wl article says "The boundaries of the region have changed throughout history", which is a bit lacking as operational definitions go. The scope does not seem to be limited to maps saying "Palestine" or a translation. The article seems to mention whenever a map says "Palestine" or a translation, but it is not mention when other terms are used; I'm not sure what this says about the scope. Clarification on terms would also be good: Palestine? Levant? Israel? Holy Land? What do these terms mean? Do they differ? Why was "Palestine" chosen for the article title? Obviously a full discussion would be out of place,Face-smile.svg but the article should chose an appropriate scope and define it. Some text on the cultural background of some of the mapping would also be good, and on the practical developments (why weren't the Napoleonic cartographers able to survey some areas, for instance? How did the Crusaders use maps? The Ottomans? How were maps used in religious scholarship?). Currently the article is a single-sentence defining the article topic, a list of maps (with some interesting details for some of them), and a short list of lists of maps.
Marinus is impressive, thanks for the link! HLHJ (talk) 02:58, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 5[edit]

2020 Venezuelan National Assembly Delegated Committee election

Created by Kingsif (talk) and Jamez42 (talk). Nominated by Kingsif (talk) at 18:40, 5 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment Although I'm sympathetic of nominating the article to a DYK, but I have to contest the statement. This is not the first time that security forces claim that there are explosive devices near the National Assembly (14 May 2019, 16 May 2019), and this usually has happened on days that are politically sensitive or important. More often than not is the National Guard blocking the access or exit to lawmakers and/or journalists, making parliamentary sessions harder or impossible to start, which is exactly what happened yesterday. At best, this is according to government forces.
There are plenty of interesting things that happened on the election day, so I'm sure that there are many alternate hooks that can be included. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:41, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
@Jamez42: Do you have any suggestions, but yes, we could use Guaidó climbing over a fence or something. Always interesting to see that. Kingsif (talk) 18:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
@Kingsif: Maybe the fact that the vote could not take place at the Legislative Palace, I think this is the first time that it ever happens, at least since the Congress has been unicameral. --Jamez42 (talk) 18:25, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Venezuelan National Assembly president Juan Guaidó was blocked from entering the Assembly and tried to climb over a fence in order to vote in the 2020 committee elections?
ALT2: ... that the 2020 Venezuelan National Assembly Delegated Committee election could not take place at the Palacio Federal Legislativo, and another vote was held at a newspaper's headquarters?
Added some alts, any opinions? Kingsif (talk) 18:40, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
@Kingsif: Attaboy, they look good. Green tickY Support --Jamez42 (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT1, but there is close paraphrasing in the article:
  • Source: Parra told reporters 140 lawmakers were present in the session and that his candidacy was approved with 81 votes.
  • Article: Parra told reporters 140 lawmakers were present in the session and that his candidacy was approved with 81 votes.
  • Source: Pedro Carreno, told AFP that the vote took place with 150 deputies present and that Parra received the simple majority of 84 needed to win.
  • Article: Pedro Carreño told AFP that the vote took place with 150 deputies present and that Parra received the simple majority of 84 needed to win.
  • Yoninah (talk) 00:31, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Hold on, this article has not even been reviewed. Jamez42, your use of the checkmark icon made the bot think that the review was complete. I'm sending this back to WP:DYKN for a full review, pending the elimination of the close paraphrasing. Yoninah (talk) 00:33, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing resolved. Kingsif (talk) 04:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you. Ready for full review. Yoninah (talk) 13:27, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg By the way, I noticed there was never a proper DYK review (all comments were by the nominators), and this is the first time this is being formally reviewed. epicgenius (talk) 04:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 6[edit]

2020 JNU Attack

  • ... that Congress party described the Jawaharlal Nehru University attack as "state-sponsored terrorism", resembling those during the Nazi rule? Source: "Congress describing the rampage by masked goons as an example of "state-sponsored terrorism" reminiscent of Nazi rule." (source link )
    • ALT1:... that Deepika Padukone was subjected to massive criticism by members of the ruling BJP after her visit to stand in solidarity with the victims of the Jawaharlal Nehru University attack? Source: "After her visit to JNU, the actor was at the receiving end of immense criticism from members of the ruling BJP including Tajinder Bagga, who urged people to boycott her film." (Source: link [15])
    • ALT2:... that Deepika Padukone's visit to stand in solidarity with the victims of the Jawaharlal Nehru University attack was praised for standing up against a crackdown on dissent? Source: "as well as praise for being a rare Bollywood A-lister to stand up against a crackdown on dissent." (Source: [16])
    • ALT3:... that two police cases were filed against a victim of the Jawaharlal Nehru University attack? Source: "Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) students' union president Aishe Ghosh was named in two police cases filed in a span of four minutes on Sunday evening, shortly after she was taken to hospital bleeding from a brutal attack by a masked mob." (Source: [17])

Created by DBigXray (talk). Self-nominated at 18:53, 6 January 2020 (UTC).

  • @DBigXray: This is not a review but that hook is not acceptable as it is not neutral. We can't use an opposition party statement blaming an incident on a government especially with such inflammatory language as the above. Please consider offering another which has a more neutral point of view. Cowlibob (talk) 01:43, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
I have added 3 Alts. DBigXray 14:47, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, including of the ALT hooks. (I have struck the original one per Cowlibob.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 7[edit]

Julia Dufvenius

Julia Dufvenius
Julia Dufvenius

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self-nominated at 19:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough (January 7), long enough (2474). The hook is interesting and verified by ref 9. Adequate QPQ provided. Reference needed for full name as well as date of birth. This article also needs significant copyediting. Really odd phrasing such as "where her parents raised her in a collective", what does this mean? "Dufvenius then got an education in acting". The whole fire section "a story about Eino Hanski that was partly filmed in the Soviet Union and several people in the production died in a fire at the hotel where they were staying". The references are not formatted correctly. Newspapers/magazines should use cite news. Aftonbladet and Expressen are both tabloid newspapers so we should not really use them as a reference. In the references, there are also missing publishers e.g. reference 12 and the language the sources are in should be specified e.g. language=Swedish. Cowlibob (talk) 12:38, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Aftonbladet and Expressen are not equal to The Sun or Daily Mail. They don’t report mainly on celebrities actually pretty minor coverage. They are considered Newspapers in Swedem with established reporters and political analysist etc. They are not tabloids. The rest of your concerns will be dealt with shortly.BabbaQ (talk) 13:15, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I've afraid I've got to recuse myself from this nomination as well, I've made this major edit [[19]], which should make the article suitable for DYK though. Cowlibob (talk) 13:08, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg @BabbaQ and Cowlibob: I was going to review this, but I noticed an inconsistency between the hook and the article: the hook says that the role specifically written for her is a lead role, but the article states that it was a supporting role. Can this be resolved? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:35, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
@BabbaQ: Thanks. Looking at the source very quickly, while I'm assuming good faith that the source is accurate, my Google Translate check didn't seem to find any signs of the role being written for her being a lead or supporting role, only that the role exists. Exactly where in the source is the "lead role" part mentioned? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:52, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Removed the lead word out as it seems problematic anyway. Now I don’t see any major issues. Let me know.BabbaQ (talk) 00:55, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
@BabbaQ: I think it resolves the accuracy of the hook. My concern now is that, in my opinion, the hookiness of the hook was based on how she had a lead role written specifically for her. Just having a role being written for a person isn't really hooky, and is very commonplace in entertainment. Maybe it would a good idea to mention in the hook that said film was Bergman's final film? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:23, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. I added a alt hook. Take a look.BabbaQ (talk) 16:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I think it sounds better. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Still needs a reviewer to finish up the review. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 9[edit]

Bessie Van Vorst

Bessie Van Vorst as "Esther Kelly" wearing the costume of the pickle factory
Bessie Van Vorst as "Esther Kelly" wearing the costume of the pickle factory
  • ... that articles by Bessie Van Vorst (pictured), a pioneer investigative journalist who worked undercover in US factories in the early 1900s, inspired President Theodore Roosevelt to write her a supportive letter?
  • ALT1: ... that articles of Bessie Van Vorst (pictured), a pioneer investigative journalist, inspired President Theodore Roosevelt to write her a letter? Source: "[20]"
  • ALT2: ... that Bessie Van Vorst (pictured) went undercover in the early 1900s to secretly learn about the working conditions at the US factories?
  • ALT3: ... that pioneer undercover journalist Bessie Van Vorst (pictured) worked at several factories to investigate the working conditions.

Created by Less Unless (talk). Self-nominated at 00:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC).

Amanuensis Balkanicus, please take a look. Thank you. Less Unless (talk) 16:45, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Looks good to go. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:46, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
  • The hook, at 209 characters, not counting (pictured), was over the maximum limit of 200. I changed "one of the pioneer investigative journalists" to "a pioneer investigative journalist", which brings it down to 199. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Mandarax, thank you for the correction. Less Unless (talk) 15:30, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook is really too long. Hooks should be short, intriguing tidbits that will get readers to click on the article. This hook tells me everything I need to know. BTW are the long quotes in the article public-domain? Yoninah (talk) 00:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, thank you for pointing this out as it's my first nomination and I am grateful for your tips. I have changed the hook, please take a look. As for the quotes - they are direct quotes with source provided which is allowed by the policies. Less Unless (talk) 09:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Less Unless: thank you. Please note that I have restored the thread and renamed your new hook ALT1. We do this so prep builders can follow the discussion.
  • Direct quotes are of course fine, but not too many of them. I think you could paraphrase some of them.
  • Your new hook is rather weak. Especially for an image slot, the hook should be much more punchy. Is there another fact that you could pull from the article? I could suggest something tomorrow. Yoninah (talk) 12:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Less Unless: the image caption also has nothing to do with the hook. I think you could come up with a great hook that mentions her infiltrating the pickle factory. Yoninah (talk) 12:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, I've added 2 more hooks based on her factory work. I would very appreciate your help on that. Thank you.Less Unless (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'll suggest something else shortly, but there is serious close paraphrasing from the Notable American Women source that must be rewritten in your own words. You cannot simply copy out of your sources. Here are some examples from that book; I have not checked the other references:
  • Source: Bessie Van Vorst described the difficult working conditions and mean living she had observed and their bad effects on women and young girls.
  • Article: In their book the Van Vorsts described the difficult working conditions and mean living they had observed, and their bad effects on women and young girls.
  • Source: In her chapter "The Meaning of It All" she called for a more humane attitude toward women in general and particularly the young.
  • Article: Bessie called for a more humane attitude towards women in general and particularly the young.
  • Yoninah (talk) 23:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing this out, I have corrected the phrasing. Less Unless (talk) 12:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @Less Unless: Sorry, but changing a few words here and there and leaving the rest of the words and the sentence structure intact is not called paraphrasing. You have to read the source, think about what it is saying, and write something else in your own words and style. Yoninah (talk) 19:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I did more editing and wikifying on the article, but left those lines for you to clean up. I added some "citation needed" tags as well. Yoninah (talk) 20:06, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Here is an alt suggestion:
  • ALT4: ... that Bessie Van Vorst (pictured) worked undercover in a knitting mill and a pickle factory to expose working conditions for women and children in the early 1900s? Yoninah (talk) 20:24, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

More close paraphrasing:

Source: Even after returning to Paris, she continued writing and served as a correspondent for publications operating out of both France and the United States, offering her feelings on a number of social issues.
Article: Even after returning to Paris, Van Vorst continued writing and served as a correspondent for publications out of both France and the United States, writing on a number of social issues.
Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your engagement. I have corrected some wording, added more refs and a bit of curious information. Unfortunately I couldn't find any reliable sources to back the cn-tags. Less Unless (talk) 22:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 14[edit]

Eliodoro Bianchi

Portrait of Bianchi by Luigi Rados, c. 1820
Portrait of Bianchi by Luigi Rados, c. 1820
  • ... that the tenor and voice teacher Eliodoro Bianchi (depicted) performed in many world premieres of operas, with two roles written expressly for his voice by Rossini? Source: [21] and others

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC).

A little snappier. The hook shouldn't pack in so much information that the reader doesn't even want to click on the article :). The reference [22] is directly after the sentence in the lead on which this hook is based. Voceditenore (talk) 19:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I almost knew that you would come up with a better hook, only I thought that Rossini alone would be "hookier" than mentioning operas which the readers may never have heard of. Also, if we want clicks to the singer, we should have him upfront, or will get clicks on Rossini. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
On the side: would you add an infobox to Ciro in Babilonia? I am afraid. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Scale insect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:42, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Callaghan MacCarty, 3rd Earl of Clancarty

  • ... that Callaghan MacCarty left his life as a Catholic monk in France and converted to Protestantism to become the third Earl of Clancarty? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ...", Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 9: "... he d. 'out of the communion of the Church of England.'"
    • ALT1:... that Callaghan MacCarty converted from Catholicism to Protestantism in order to become Earl of Clancarty, but died a Catholic? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ...", Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 9: "... he d. 'out of the communion of the Church of England.'"
    • ALT2:... that Callaghan MacCarty left his life as a Catholic monk in France to become the third Earl of Clancarty? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ..."
  • Reviewed: As I have less than 5 DYK's, I am opting not to review.

Converted from a redirect by Johannes Schade (talk). Nominated by CaptainEek (talk) at 00:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Review in progress. ミラP 17:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Although this was converted into a redirect the day before nom, has 3673 b of prose, and there are hooks interesting, the hooks barely fail WP:POSA and, most importantly, article has sourcing gaps and I'm not sure if the timeline is encyclopedic. Can somebody help CaptainEek and Johannes Schade fix them? ミラP 18:04, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • ??? You mean from a redirect, surely. What WP:POSA issues do you see? The (hidden) timeline looks fine to me, & isn't really a DYK issue. Sourcing seems ok for DYK. Johnbod (talk) 20:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Action at Sihayo's Kraal

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 23:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long enough, adequately sourced, and was nominated on the day it was moved to mainspace. A QPQ has been done. ALT1/ALT2 and ALT3 are the best hook choices; I am assuming good faith for ALT3's offline source. ALT1/ALT2 need a proper inline citation as the footnote for the Zulu quote comes not at the sentence mentioning it but the one after. Earwigs is currently down so I am unable to check for close paraphrasing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5, thanks for the review. I've added a duplicate ref for the "By whose orders do you come to the land of the Zulus?" quote - Dumelow (talk) 12:40, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 15[edit]

Operación Alacrán, 2020 Venezuelan National Assembly Delegated Committee election, Luis Parra, Juan Guaidó

Luis Parra
Luis Parra
  • ... that Operación Alacrán was an attempted corruption plot that forces deputies to vote in favor of Luis Parra (pictured) instead of incumbent president Juan Guaidó in exchange for bribes? Source: CNN Radio Argentina — "Venezuelan deputy Delsa Solórzano denounced on Wednesday on CNN Radio that President Nicolás Maduro launched an operation called Alacrán that seeks to buy millions of dollars from opposition legislators to prevent Juan Guaidó from being re-elected head of Parliament on 5 January."
    • ALT1:... that the United States imposed sanctions on Luis Parra (pictured) and six other politicians relating to a Maduro-linked corruption plot called Operación Alacrán? Source: Reuters — "The United States on Monday imposed sanctions on seven Venezuelan politicians it said led a bid by President Nicolas Maduro to wrest control of the country’s congress from U.S.-backed opposition leader Juan Guaido... Washington blacklisted Parra and six of his allies “who, at the bidding of Maduro, attempted to block the democratic process in Venezuela,” U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement. The other Maduro-aligned politicians sanctioned on Monday are: Jose Noriega, Franklyn Duarte, Jose Brito, Conrado Perez, Adolfo Superlano and Negal Morales."
  • Comment: New article, already expanded several days ago but I waited for copy editing before the nomination. After the copy editing, one user who did the copy-editing recommended to me to nominate here immediately.

Created by Cyfraw (talk). Self-nominated at 21:39, 31 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, Cyfraw, and welcome to DYK. Let's go over this nomination step by step. I assume you're nominating only one article, Operación Alacrán, which you created on January 14. The DYK rules call for a 7-day window in which to nominate a new, expanded, or new GA article. Next time you might want to nominate immediately and note that you have asked for a copy-edit. Since this is your first nomination, I will IAR and accept the nomination even though it's a week late.
  • When you nominate an article, that's the only one you should put in the template. The fact that you're linking to pre-existing articles doesn't figure into the DYK credits. So I have struck the nomination credits for 2020 Venezuelan National Assembly Delegated Committee election, Luis Parra, and Juan Guaidó.
  • I have struck ALT0 because it says too much. ALT1 is okay, but your non-Spanish speaking audience doesn't really care what it's called as long as they know what it is. It might be punchier to pipe the link this way:
  • ALT1a: ... that the United States imposed sanctions on Luis Parra (pictured) and six other politicians relating to a Maduro-linked corruption plot?
  • Here is a full review: Newness IAR, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing as all sources are foreign-language. Image is freely licensed. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
  • In addition to checking the alt hook, please remove all the non-controversial cites from the lead. In general, five cites in a row are three too many. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I will take a look on the article and fix the corrections. Anyway, thanks for the advice. --cyrfaw (talk) 08:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
As of now, I'm still reviewing the article according to your comments but the ALT1a blurb looks well for me. Thanks --cyrfaw (talk) 19:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @Cyfraw: thank you. Let me know when you're finished. Yoninah (talk) 17:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 17[edit]

Cheung Chung-kiu

2-8a Rutland Gate, London
2-8a Rutland Gate, London
  • ... that Cheung Chung-kiu is buying 2–8a Rutland Gate, London (pictured) for over £200 million, easily the most expensive house sold in the UK? Source: "A Chinese property tycoon has agreed to buy a 45-room mansion overlooking Hyde Park in London for more than £200m, making it by far the most expensive house to be sold in the UK. Cheung Chung-kiu..." ([23])
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 23:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, not very detailed but long enough for DYK, neutral, and fully referenced. Hook is interesting and supported by cited source. Image is freely licensed. No copyvio found. Awaiting QPQ. -Zanhe (talk) 09:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
@Edwardx: A QPQ is still needed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:40, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There have been multiple pings for a QPQ review to be supplied, including on Edwardx's talk page, and it still has not been supplied nor has there been any response here or there. If the weekend ends without a QPQ being completed or a post here from Edwardx requesting an extension, the nomination will regretfully be marked for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:59, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset and Edwardx: Would it be okay for me to donate a QPQ in Edward's stead if he's still unable to respond? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Donations of QPQs are always acceptable. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:38, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Pending a QPQ from Edward, I will be donating my review of Template:Did you know nominations/Doodlebug (film). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 18[edit]

Uniforms of the United States Space Force

U.S. Space Force uniform
U.S. Space Force uniform

Created by Garuda28 (talk) and Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Nominated by Illegitimate Barrister (talk) at 20:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this from the queue as I could barely find a reference for the subject matter, let alone the hook. Three of the four references in the article don't appear to mention space force uniforms at all, and the one that does only says that one particular outfit appears to be based on an airforce uniform - but even that obviously differs in insignia. If I've missed something, please point me to it, but right now this article looks like original research to me. Gatoclass (talk) 18:59, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
ALT0a: ... that the uniforms of the United States Space Force (example pictured) are the same as the U.S. Air Force?
Would that be an acceptable rewording? Or would it be better to just link "the same uniforms" to the hook subject? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 22[edit]

Sakharam Ganesh Pandit

Pandit circa 1910, before his career as a lawyer
Pandit circa 1910, before his career as a lawyer
  • Comment: I'm open to any suggested alternative hooks! I don't think I need a QPQ - still less than 5 DYKs.

Created by Ganesha811 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg article requires a more substantial lead section to summarise why the article is notable. Notability is established elsewhere in the article. Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 16:04, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Lil-unique1, thanks for the comment. I've expanded the lead to reflect Pandit's notability. Let me know if this is sufficient! Ganesha811 (talk) 16:13, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Happy that this can go ahead Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 17:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Lil-unique1: please provide a review that explicitly confirms that the five main DYK criteria have been met. An optional Reviewer's Template is located above the edit window. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:14, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ankuochun

  • ... that the Zhili-Shandong Army in the Ankuochun had a regiment of 2,000 boys averaging 10 years old that used specially-made short guns? Philip Jowett (20 November 2013). China’s Wars: Rousing the Dragon 1894-1949. Bloomsbury Publishing. pp. 121–2. ISBN 978-1-4728-0673-4.
    • ALT1:... that generals of the Ankuochun proposed a new principle for the Three Principles of the People, named Minde (People's Morality)? Chi Man Kwong (28 February 2017). War and Geopolitics in Interwar Manchuria: Zhang Zuolin and the Fengtian Clique during the Northern Expedition. BRILL. p. 123. ISBN 978-90-04-34084-8.

Moved to mainspace by Roniius (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Roniius, review follows: article created 22 January; article is of good length and well written; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't spot any overly cvlose paraphrasing from the sources I checked; first hook is interesting, mentioned in the article and backed up by the cited source; I struck the second hook as I didn't find it interesting enough, sorry; just waiting for a QPQ I think. Great work - Dumelow (talk) 19:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
@Dumelow: QPQ done. Roniius (talk) 05:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg, looks good - Dumelow (talk) 07:42, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Please put this DYK on hold. I have discovered some substantial issues with the article. RGloucester 11:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Dispute over the issue has been solved, but substantial changes will have to be made to the article. ALT0, however, will not be removed. This DYK may be able to go ahead once the issue is fully resolved, or it may be able to go ahead now. Roniius (talk) 13:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg This dispute has not been resolved. The article is still in a state of flux while non-related content is moved out, and the scope adjusted. This article is not yet fit to be placed on the main page. RGloucester 09:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
The article is somewhat in order, but the title has yet to be made clear. RGloucester 09:54, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps the hook could be reworded? It sounds a bit strange to me, as if it's a run-off sentence. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:13, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 26[edit]

Republic of Philippines v. Pimentel

Created by Psiĥedelisto (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC).

  • This Indian litigation started in 1878 and was ongoing in 2013; the slow pace of litigation in India is very well known around the world so I'm not convinced people will be excited by the "twenty years" in the hooks. Is there a more human angle to the story? --kingboyk (talk) 08:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • (1) The Philippines is not India. (2) This case has primarily taken so long in American courts. (3) The distribution of funds to elderly victims of martial law in the Philippines is not human? Psiĥedelisto (talk) 09:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I'll be frank, since you asked, but this is just my opinion, I may well be in a minority of one, and I mean no offence:
(1) Am aware, have visited both countries.
(2) Wikipedia is global. Your hooks are fixated on "20 years of litigation" and I'm saying that does not give them (to me) any "wow" factor. Hooks should be "short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article". These hooks don't draw me in.
(3) I've no idea about the human story from reading your article. The article only uses the word "human" 4 times and "victim" 4 times, and that's including the footnotes. It tells me nothing about the plight of the victims at all, nor what the crimes were (that word is used once; "elderly" does not appear at all). You have a Background section, why not put a few details about the crimes and the victims in there? Also, was there no reaction to the payout from victim groups? As it stands, the article is a good but dry report of a legal case; I don't see it fascinating the average reader. The fascinating "human angle" material is in the linked article People Power Revolution, which is not new. --kingboyk (talk) 10:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I added a link to Human rights abuses of the Marcos dictatorship to the hook without it. The article I wrote is about the litigation. Could any litigation interest you? I think the litigation is very interesting and shows that even American courts can be very slow, and it's also interesting that a SCOTUS decision didn't settle the matter, which most people think always happens. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 13:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, including a second opinion on whether the hooks are sufficiently interesting. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 27[edit]

Local 58

  • ... that Local 58 is a constantly hijacked television station?

Created/expanded by Florence Hansen (talk). Self-nominated at 22:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg The article is new (created on 27 January, nominated on 1 February). It is sufficiently long (the prose portion has >4500 characters). I am concerned that notability is not very well established: the bulk of the citations are primary sources supporting plot summaries, and the others include TV Tropes and Know Your Meme, both of which are generally unreliable. The hook is short but not representative, taking an in-universe fact about a fictional TV station and presenting it straight up. XOR'easter (talk) 17:29, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg As it does not appear the article is clearly ineligible, replacing the X icon with the less dire slash. I have struck the hook, since per WP:DYKSG#C6, If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way. (A fictional TV station is covered; the key word here is "fiction".) The notability issue is a tricky one at DYK; if the article is truly non-notable and there aren't any reliable secondary sources, then the usual recourse is articles for deletion to see what the community's consensus is regarding notability. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:55, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
@XOR'easter and BlueMoonset: I would recommend that the article be nominated for deletion, as a quick search for sources failed to find much of note. I also tried proposing a new hook, but the article doesn't have that much real-world information: in fact, the vast majority of the article is plot summaries. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Coincidentally, I've just come across this page, had begun looking into how to list it at AfD, and then found this discussion via the what links here tool. I've not done an AfD nomination before, so since this is already being dealt with, I'll leave the nomination in more capable hands. Jonie148 (talk) 09:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Anyone (Demi Lovato song)

Created and expanded by Paparazzzi (talk). Self-nominated at 00:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Paparazzzi WP:DYKHOOK says that "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided". As such, I don't think we should be running a hook that focuses mostly on her overdose. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg ALT1 hook seems fine to me. Full review is needed, and I don't have time to do so, so please can another editor do it? Joseph2302 (talk) 08:00, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
  • BlueMoonset, do you have time to give a full review for ALT1? Pinging you because you struck out the original proposal. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • SNUGGUMS, what's needed here is a full review of the entire nomination, not merely the hook, and I'm afraid I don't have time for that.
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review of nomination still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • That's rather unfortunate. I hope somebody picks it up soon. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ripon Parks

Toothwort flowerhead
Toothwort flowerhead
  • Reviewed: Die Wolke
  • Comment: Created in userspace, moved to mainspace 27 January 2020

Moved to mainspace by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 10:41, 30 January 2020 (UTC).

Cardinal Wolsey
Cardinal Wolsey
Symbol question.svg Sorry Gerda, we actually edit conflicted as I was publishing my review. But feel free to re-review, and also perhaps comment on my alt?
The article is long enough, in date, and well sourced. QPQ has been done. AGF on the reliability of some of the sources, which are published by the bodies responsible for its upkeep, so should be ok. Images are free use, and nothing problematic on the copyvio detector using the cited sources. The first hook checks out fine - perhaps an interesting alt could be:
Alt 1 I'm less sure about, mainly with the use of Bishop of Ripon. The source suggests that it was owned by the Archbishop of York, which is the title which should be used here rather than bishop of York, which is from an earlier period than that referred to in the article. It was administered through Ripon, which was part of the diocese of York until 1836. From the sources it seems that the landowner was simply the Archbishop of York, administered perhaps on his behalf by the church authorities at Ripon, rather than there existing a title of "bishop of York and Ripon", or that there were two separate entities, the "bishop of York" and the "bishop of Ripon" which at times had ownership over the land. The article uses "subsequently the Canons of Ripon", while the source is less clear on the chronology, stating "until the 19th century was administered from Ripon, either by the Archbishop of York or the Canons of the Minster (later the Cathedral)." The source also says "Most of it still belongs to the Church Commissioners as successors to the Archbishop", rather than as the article has it "Much of the land is still in the possession of the Church Commissioners, who inherited it from the Canons of Ripon". Ecclesiatical history and landownership is a little tricky to disentangle, perhaps it would be better to drop Alt1 unless this can be clarified? I'll note the hook should be cited directly in the article, which at the moment it seems not to be. Spokoyni (talk) 16:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to revview this, later today. Looks great! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I think ALT3 is a useful simplification, but the discrepencies between the article and sources are still present in the former. Is there a reason you use 'bishop of York' rather than 'archbishop'? The ordering also seems odd, surely the archbishop held the land for (on behalf of) the church, rather than the other way around? Spokoyni (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, those prelates certainly did themselves suspiciously well in hunting parks and palaces for men in their line of work! ALT 4 looks good to me. If you perhaps can bring the article a little more in line with the sources and terminology that I've outlined then I think this would be a pass, and per Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules C.b, the hook fact should be directly cited at the end of the relevent sentence in the article. Spokoyni (talk) 18:31, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I've adjusted the article as requested. I shall take another look at the sources tomorrow (too tired after a long day to do it adequately right now.) Storye book (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Adenike Oladosu

  • ... that Nigerian climate activist Adenike Oladosu organizes with Fridays for Future to confront the flooding, drought, and extreme heat causing crop failures and swelling refugee camps? [1]
  • Comment: This is my first nomination! Please ping me if I need to modify anything. Thank you!

Created by Kaizenify (talk) and Jlevi (talk). Nominated by Jlevi (talk) at 03:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough; long enough; no QPQ required. Sufficiently referenced. I've done a lot of copy-editing to get this into shape (to the extent that I'm not far off being a co-editor rather than a reviewer). I have concerns about the photo used in the article and nominated that for deletion. There is too much close paraphrasing from the Greenpeace source and that will have to be addressed before this goes any further; Jlevi I suggest you attend to this (as nominator). I note that half the sources use "Oladosu" as the given name and I've put a query in with the subject via Twitter mail. I've removed the birth date from the article as it wasn't in the source given; that (and the fact that we've got a middle name) makes me believe that she is known to the article creator, and that Oladosu is in fact her family name. Schwede66 20:41, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Just confirming that I've heard back from the subject and we've got the naming correct. Schwede66 21:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Watts, Jonathan (19 September 2019). "'The crisis is already here': young strikers facing climate apartheid". The Guardian. Retrieved 30 January 2020. Adenike will confront those fears in the coming week along with millions of others across the world as she joins the global climate strike, which kickstarts with a global day of action on Friday....She reels off a long list of reasons for her sense of unease: drought in the north of Nigeria is worsening conflict and driving migration. Floods are affecting wider areas and adding to pressures on displaced people’s camps. Food prices are rising because agricultural land is ruined. Livestock are dying because of heat stress, which has also killed three of her pet puppies. “I really don’t know whether we are going to win this race [against runaway climate change]. I think about it every day,” she said.

Charles Montier

  • Comment: 15 million Ford Model Ts were manufactured, starting in 1908 - a mass produced car, for the masses. Henry Ford said "I will build a motor car for the great multitude... it will be so low in price that no man making a good salary will be unable to own one – and enjoy with his family the blessing of hours of pleasure in God's great open spaces". Charles Montier certainly enjoyed his Model T - by racing it in the 24 Hours of Le Mans, alongside Bentleys and Bugattis. He and his co-driver finished 14th of 37 entrants.
  • Comment: Other hook suggestions welcome!

Created by Kingboyk (talk). Self-nominated at 08:21, 27 January 2020 (UTC).

--kingboyk (talk) 02:43, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

  • I think the hook needs something like 'raced a modified version of the popular/high-selling/mass produced etc.' Just to make it clear that the Model T wasn't an expected car to be raced at Le Mans. I know a little about cars so I got it, but if you didn't know what a Model T was it leaves the hook a little lacking? What do you think?
The Flying Spaghetti Monster! 13:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
  • OK, I've done two things: 1) Added some info about the Model T to the article, including an extract from the Henry Ford quote I included in my comment above; 2) Added hook suggestion ALT3 here. I think The Flying Spaghetti Monster is absolutely right and if this submission is accepted we should go with ALT3 or a rewording thereof. I'm unsure of protocol so I've left the original hook suggestions in place rather than removed or striked (sp.?) them. Thank you again, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. --kingboyk (talk) 02:43, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Great, those changes look good and make the hook interesting enough for me. However, the article has three red links which, if I remember correctly, are not allowed on DyK pages. So if you could either create them, or if not notable enough just remove the link, then I'm happy to say this is ready from my point of view. (Although I should imagine you'll need another editor to give their opinion too as I'm fairly new to this). Update: I was wrong - it's just the hook that can't have redlinks. Although the article would be better without them anyway as standard I reckon. The Flying Spaghetti Monster! 12:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Montier's son Ferdinand is red-linked per WP:REDLINK as I believe he meets WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT and the infobox I have used has an entry for "notable relatives". He has other incoming links not added by me. I might yet knock up a short article on him to turn the link blue, although as he mostly entered the same races as his father (and without any great success) it might not be a terribly interesting article. It would be no great loss to remove the link if necessary and I await further guidance on that.
There are also some red links to non-championship Grand Prix races. These articles all have only one other incoming link, from their respective season's pages e.g. 1931 Casablanca Grand Prix is linked to from 1931 Grand Prix season but nowhere else in mainspace (not even from the article on the driver who won the race). I'm puzzled by this and it makes me wonder whether these non-Championship race report red links should be removed not just from Montier's article but from the season articles too... On the other hand I believe the races likely have enough sources and notability to be written about (whilst being far from certain it will ever happen) and I feel compelled by WP:REDLINK to link to them. I think I might have a solution, however: I could redirect these red links to their respective season reports and template them with Template:R with possibilities.
I'll attend to this asap; I have a few last minute additions to make first due to finding some additional sources after I thought the article was done! --kingboyk (talk) 04:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm all done and ready for review, except for the article on Ferdinand Montier which is in my sandbox and probably won't be completed until tomorrow. The reviewer can safely assume that link will turn blue shortly.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster are you intending to review this submission or were you just commenting? --kingboyk (talk) 15:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Just commenting my dude, got to re-familiarise myself with the criteria before I review. Good work on the red links and the new hook though - looks ready to me but will need a second opinion I think. The Flying Spaghetti Monster! 13:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 29[edit]

React (The Pussycat Dolls song)

Moved to mainspace by Lil-unique1 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:26, 29 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As Earwig's is down, unable to check for close paraphrasing. Images are fair use and freely licensed.
  • Regarding the hook, you need to have an inline cite at the end of the sentence that contains the hook fact. This hook fact is only mentioned in the lead without a cite. But the hook itself is not "hooky", especially if you've never heard of the group. You have a practically GA-class article here with lots of interesting information. Could you suggest another interesting fact? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Note that as the nominator has six prior DYK credits, a QPQ review will need to be provided for this nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:36, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Alternative hook(s)

  • Thank you. The QPQ requirement calls for a full review, explicitly confirming that the five main DYK criteria have been met. You have only checked notability in your review. Don't worry, we're not in a rush. Please let me know here when you've done a full QPQ.
  • I have formatted your alt hooks. ALT1 is pretty bland. ALT2 has potential, but it doesn't mention the target article. Would you like to write:
  • ALT3: ... that British regulator Ofcom received 400 complaints about the Pussycat Dolls' decision to wear sheer PVC outfits during their live performance of "React" on a family programme? Yoninah (talk) 22:01, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Hook 3 is a defo improvement and I would support this. Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 10:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Since I have just rephrased ALT2, I'll go ahead and approve this. ALT3 hook ref verified and cited inline. Just waiting for the QPQ and I'll approve this. Yoninah (talk) 12:30, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I've just approved the following DYK: Template:Did you know nominations/Sakharam Ganesh Pandit. Thanks for your help @Yoninah: Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 17:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Tum Hi Aana

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 13:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg QPQ still needed
  • Prose size (text only): 4505 characters (785 words) "readable prose size"
  • Article considered new, Violation Unlikely 36.7%
  • I think the hook could be shortened as: " ... that composer Payal Dev played multiple instruments in the 2019 song "Tum Hi Aana" to "give it the right amount of emotions"?
  • I would like the nominator to check the translation of the article, as some phrases sound really awkward (the singer Jubin Nautiyal was there at the sitting who "instantly loved it and accepted to record a scratch of the song", and that how she explains how the song was created, for example). Paparazzzi (talk) 07:54, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT1, but I don't see the hook fact in the cite given (footnote 4). Yoninah (talk) 01:15, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Daniel R. Lucey

Anthrax skin lesion
Anthrax skin lesion
  • ... that infectious diseases expert Daniel R. Lucey's work on bioterrorism prepared him to advise on the 2001 anthrax scare (anthrax lesion pictured)? After 9/11, Lucey warned officials that “bioterrorism was going to be the second type of attack...But at about the same time, letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several media outlets....Thanks to Lucey, Washington Hospital Center was prepared. [24]
    • ALT1:... that Daniel R. Lucey remembered that the first case of SARS in Toronto in 2003 was missed? Dr. Lucey, however, recalled that the SARS outbreak in Toronto in 2003 started with one missed case. [25]
    • ALT2:... that emerging infectious diseases specialist Daniel R. Lucey worked on HIV/AIDS before we discovered it but after it discovered us? His residency in San Francisco was during the initial recognition of the AIDS pandemic in 1982-85, starting before our species had discovered HIV (in 1983) but when the virus had already discovered us. [26]
      • ALT3 ... that emerging infectious diseases specialist Daniel R. Lucey has spent more than 30 years "chasing things you wouldn't want to catch"?
      • ALT4 ... that emerging infectious diseases specialist Daniel R. Lucey advocates stockpiling chest tubes in the preparation for a biothreat from anthrax?
Reviewed: Queen's Oak

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 21:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

  • I think "before we discovered it but after it discovered us?" is a quote. Please add to the article and source it.Philafrenzy (talk) 21:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Long enough, 5x expanded, nominated in time, stable, QPQ done. Image is appropriate, with suitable license. I have various problems with the article. The expansion has left it rather bloated and repetitive, and the repeated quotation of the subject's words feels to me to verge on promotional. Earwig won't complete for me, but looking at the sources by eye revealed several minor instances of close paraphrasing from Ref 1 and 10. I will copy these to the talk page for reference.
Sourcing: The first sentence under "Washington Hospital Center" is unsourced. The remainder has appropriate inline citations but several of the sources are not particularly high quality (5, 29: blogs; 8, 14 press releases). There's a big reliance on Ref 1 which is to an alumni magazine.
Hooks are all concise. Alt1 is the only one I can support at this time. The main hook is not adequately supported; the alumnus magazine is not sufficiently independent to label him as an "expert", and the remainder of the hook is not directly covered. Alt 2 is sourced to a student blog, and the paraphrased quotation is problematic. Alt3 is nicely hooky, but does not seem to be in the article! Alt4 is rather dull, and sourced to a press release. All of Alts 2,3,4 need the plural taking out of "diseases" used adjectivally, I believe. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:53, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
@Espresso Addict:...Thank you for going through so thoroughly...will message you once been through. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Gösta Neuwirth

  • Reviewed: XHCPBS-FM
  • Comment: the reason would be interesting but hard to word, at least for me

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline and the article is neutral. I detected no copyvios, the sources being mostly in German. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:11, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There's a lack of clarity surrounding the dissertation topics that leads me to doubt that this hook is strictly accurate. Was it the rejection of Neuwirth's original dissertation topic of Webern that led to his leaving the Vienna doctoral program? Or was the topic rejection effectively a dismissal from the program? Clearly if the rejection was anti-semitic, then Schreker would have been a non-starter as an alternate dissertation topic, as Schreker was Jewish, unlike Webern, so it seems unlikely that the Schreker topic was even on the table prior to his move. The timeline appears to be University in Vienna doctoral program, rejection, move to Graz to be a journalist for a short while, then move to Berlin to get a doctorate. (That's the degruyter source, which mentions Webern by name but not "anti-Semitism" that I can see, but that source is not translatable so I could easily have missed it; the SWR Donaueschinger source says it was the University of Graz and uses "antisemitischen" but not Webern.) The hook implies that something about the Schreker dissertation, once settled on, needed to be written in Berlin rather than Vienna, and there doesn't seem to be anything in the article supporting that implication or that Schreker was even thought of prior to his arrival in Berlin. I've struck the original hook; the anti-Semitism with Webern would make an interesting hook. The article mentions that Erich Schenk did the topic rejection, but I don't see that in the degruyter source, so he certainly can't be used in any new hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 30[edit]

Scale insect

Formica fusca ants tending a herd of mealybugs
Formica fusca ants tending a herd of mealybugs
  • ... that many scale insects are immobile as adults, their dispersal sometimes being assisted by ants or the wind?
    • ALT1:... that some scale insects have a mutualistic relationship with ants?
    • ALT2:... that scale insects cause billions of dollars' worth of damage to crops?
    • ALT3:... that scale insects are the original source of both "crimson" and "scarlet"?

Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 10:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Substantial GA, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, but I don't see much on it that size. I like ALT3 best, but don't exactly get what "source" means here, and can't read beyond three dots in the Scarlet source, so don't see any mentioning of kermes, nor insects. Please help me to understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
The article explains that both the red colour-names crimson and scarlet are related to kermes products, which are made from the tubes created by scale insects. As the article states (with citations) "Crimson" is by etymology cognate with the dyestuff "kermes", both from Arabic qirmizī (for the colour and the insect), while scarlet is from the Arabic word siklāt for luxury silks dyed with kermes. All these things are reliably cited in the article. Hope this helps. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, not quite. No problem with "crimson", but I see the ref for "scarlet" (#23) only until "quę vulgo rasilis …", and until there, see no reference to any insects, nor to kermes. You can tell me that it comes later, and I'll believe you, or explain what I misunderstand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it's later in that ref. You will also find the same thing in Netherton, Robin; Owen-Crocker, Gale R. (2008). Medieval Clothing and Textiles. Boydell & Brewer. p. 22. ISBN 978-1-84383-366-6. Munro believes that the morphology of siklātun had an influence on the formation of the word "scarlet" in the European languages in question, and also that the extremely expensive dyestuffs used in the Arab silks mentioned above constituted the bridging element in the association between scarlet cloth and scarlet colour. Muslim spain was not only a major centre (though far from being the only one) for the production of siklātun, but also a major source of kermes. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: If, like me, you think this connection a bit scholarly, you can always opt for another hook. I like the ants herding the mealybugs, personally. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:39, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Fine, can you please word that? Because "mutualistic relationship" is not the same ;) - mutual? - ... but "herded" and "mealybugs are much "catchier"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Leuwiliang

Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 16:53, 30 January 2020 (UTC).

Susan Folkman

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new, long enough, and very well referenced. I see no neutrality or copyright issues. The hooks are all cited but I do not think they would draw in readers. The article has a potential for more interesting hooks; for example, Folkman being a stay at home mum for 12 years between earning a BA in history and embarking on an academic career in psychology. (I removed the bit about being a stay at home mum because it was not in the source, but I trust the information is out there somewhere). I am also intrigued by the fact that she first qualified as a historian before becoming an eminent psychologist. Can this be explained in the article a bit better? It might even make for a good hook, unless it's not so unusual in the US.
    A couple of additional remarks. The subject is so evidently notable that I find it surprising that this is a new article on English Wikipedia. Catalan and French Wikipedias have had articles about Folkman since 2017. The article could use a portrait; I suggest asking the Osher Center for Integrative Medicine to change the license of this photograph to either Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Generic (CC BY-SA 2.0) or Attribution 2.0 Generic (CC BY 2.0). Their FlickR account might be inactive (I am not sure) but perhaps there is another way to contact them. Surtsicna (talk) 20:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Surtsicna, I have emailed Dr. Folkman and she has provided a photo but forgot to include the permissions. I am waiting on a response from her. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Even better! I now see the article is missing a citation for the date of birth. Hopefully one can be found. Surtsicna (talk) 22:38, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Surtsicna, still working on the photo. Re her birthday: on WikiData [27] her birthday is sourced to [28]. Is this okay? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:14, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
A photo is not required for DYK; it would just be a very useful addition (and it might make for a lead hook). I suppose that could work as a DoB reference. Surtsicna (talk) 11:56, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Surtsicna, So is it G2G besides the photo? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 31[edit]

John Huntington

  • ... that Cleveland industrialist and Cleveland Museum of Art founder John Huntington (pictured) owned a lakeside property on which he built a hobby farm with a house, a water tower, and a steam pump irrigation system? Source: "Huntington Reservation". Cleveland Historical. In 1880, the most desirable 100 acres of the Dover Township shoreline became a summer retreat and hobby farm for John Huntington ... In addition to building a fine house on the land, Huntington, an inventor and avid tinkerer, constructed a water tower and maintained a steam pump system to irrigate his orchards and gardens. He built several other structures on his property, a few of which remain standing today.

5x expanded by Aranya (talk). Self-nominated at 17:38, 4 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Actually, I think that this could be a better hook:
ALT1: ... that Cleveland industrialists John Huntington, Hinman Hurlbut, and Horace Kelley each independently bequested funds that would eventually be used to form the Cleveland Museum of Art in 1913? Source: "Cleveland Museum of Art: Founders". Cleveland Museum of Art. October 22, 2012. Over the course of nine years Huntington, Kelley and Hurlbut each separately left bequests for the establishment of an art gallery. Fortunately all three estates had a common trustee, Henry Clay Ranney, who was able to reconcile the three bequests to create a single art museum which was eventually incorporated as The Cleveland Museum of Art on June 25, 1913.
Aranya (talk) 07:35, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Eleno Salazar Flores

  • ... that police officers once arrested a Mexican panther involved in drug trafficking? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that a Mexican panther was convicted of drug trafficking in 2017? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT2:... that a Mexican panther headed a group of assassins who were former members of the Tamaulipas State Police?

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 15:31, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 1[edit]

Susan Sweney

Susan Sweney
Susan Sweney
  • ... that fascist broadcaster Susan Sweney (pictured) was "many times drowned"?
  • ALT1:... that British fascist in Germany, Susan Sweney, (pictured) was suspected by the Gestapo of spying for the Allies?
  • ALT2:... that Second World War fascist Susan Sweney (pictured) was jailed by both the Germans and the British?
  • ALT3:... that after Susan Sweney (pictured) was shipwrecked during the Second World War, she cursed the crew who rescued her so much that they nicknamed her "the devil's roast"?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 23:24, 4 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Long enough, new enough, well-cited (though some require a subscription). QPQ provided as well, no copyvio issues. I say ALT2 is the most interesting hook, but I'd word it as "... that World War II fascist Susan Sweney was jailed by both the Germans and the British?" ALT3 is sufficient as well. Only holding back approval due to your comment; is your "tidying" done? Let me know what you think through a ping. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 14:33, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, I still have some to add and I hope to source a better version of the picture in a few days. I have added "both". Incidentally, she was shipwrecked by them both too which must make her unique as being shipwrecked and jailed by both sides. I haven't yet thought of a good way of putting that in a hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Bad Idea (Ariana Grande song)

Improved to Good Article status by Paparazzzi (talk). Self-nominated at 00:31, 2 February 2020 (UTC).

  • The article was promoted to GA status but doesn't mention the song's inclusion on K Bye for Now? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 06:11, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Nice4What: it is now included on the live performances section.Paparazzzi (talk) 18:08, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Sorry, was just leaving a comment, not starting a review. My bad. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 17:35, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Parel Relief

Parel Relief
Parel Relief

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Note "in worship" is the correct Indian English term (and indeed in other forms) Johnbod (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
    • alternative image
      Symbol question.svg Query: Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, free of copyvio, and has plenty of inline citations. (I feel that it would benefit from some reference cleanup to be a little neater, but it's sufficient for verifiability.) AGF for offline sources. QPQ verified. Image is tagged with CC license, is present in article, and displays adequately. (I feel that File:Monolithic_bass_shiva-2.jpg is better lit to show the relief and displays better at low resolution, but leave the choice to you and/or the promoter.) The hook is neutral but it needs to be reworked a bit. The height is disputed by the article's sources (variously 3, 3.5 and 4-metres) so that should probably be removed from the hook (it's the least interesting fact and the hook is a bit on the long side). Maybe also change "perhaps 530 AD" → "6th century" and move that around to the left side of "Parel Relief"? – Reidgreg (talk) 23:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Fine with "6th century". I don't think the discrepancies over the height can exactly be called a "dispute". Presumably some of the sources weren't allowed to take a tape measure & ladder to it, and guessed. I think it's important to indicate the very large height, & I've gone for the rough average (and also what I think are likely to be the most accurate sources). The name is indeed a name, not a title, and should therefore NOT be italicized - see WP:VAMOS! I think this is the best image at small postage stamp size, but don't really mind. So:
  • ALT1: ... that the 3-metre-high (10 ft) 6th-century Parel Relief (pictured) with seven figures of Shiva was found in Mumbai during roadbuilding in 1931, and is now in worship at a local temple? (refs as above) Johnbod (talk) 04:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
    Thanks very much for the link! I was unaware of the exception for archeology. I've left some other cleanup notes on the article talk page, which can be discussed there. I'm pretty sure that if I passed it now, another editor would pull it from the queue before it reached the main page. If you feel that I'm overstepping, you can request a new reviewer. As for the hook, what would you think of removing the height figure and replacing that with "monolithic"? That's in the article, and it gives a sense of its large scale. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
It's all art, and things like named manuscripts & so on. I'm pretty sure that if you passed it now, another editor would not pull it from the queue before it reached the main page, having done over 350 of these. I'll look at the notes. I think "monolithic" is too vague & wouldn't convey that meaning to many people. Johnbod (talk) 19:04, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that the monolithic 6th-century Parel Relief (pictured) was found in Mumbai during roadbuilding in 1931, and is now in worship at a local temple?
Symbol possible vote.svg I feel that this is acceptable except for two minor policy points with the article, regarding the neutrality of Wikipedia's voice: the presentation of a quote and directly instructing the reader (notes on article talk page). I'm calling for a new review in case I'm interpreting this too strictly, and have provided a shorter alt hook for consideration. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:04, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer requested. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:04, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Raphael Warnock

Raphael Warnock
Raphael Warnock
  • ... that Raphael Warnock (pictured) is the senior pastor for Ebenezer Baptist Church, the former congregation of Martin Luther King Jr.?
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: IOU
  • Comment: Too bad I missed MLK Day, but it's Black History Month.

Created by Muboshgu (talk) and DividedFrame (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 04:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg QPQ still needed. The hook doesn't have much flair; maybe you could add something about him personally. Yoninah (talk) 19:34, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 2[edit]

Leonard G. Montefiore

  • Reviewed: Huer's Hut
  • Comment: This was topical recently because of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz

Created by Andrew Davidson (talk) and Der Keks (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 00:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ?
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Needs citation for paragraph starting "In 1924". I'm also concerned by the hook; I'm not sure that it's adequately supported by the article. According to the article he was involved in the Windermere children but this was after the Holocaust and therefore it may be misleading to state that the children were "saved". Furthermore these children had a variety of nationalities and were not just "German Jews". buidhe 18:30, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Georg von Dadelsen

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:53, 9 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. Hook is within prescribed limits, however, it comes off a bit abstract with the claims "influenced" ... "at a decisive state". These terms could be a bit more specific. e.g.What is meant by "decisive state". i.e.Near completion? In the middle of a debate? Also, I would use the English phrase for Neue Bach-Ausgabe, i.e. New Bach Edition, as the rest of the hook is written in English and this is English Wikipedia. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for looking, - will think, need sleep first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

KXAI

  • Reviewed: Elin C. Danien
  • Comment: Radio station moves of this distance are highly unusual in 2020.

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:53, 8 February 2020 (UTC).

KBCQ-FM

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 07:18, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

Sentientist Politics

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self-nominated at 14:06, 2 February 2020 (UTC).

Piazza Scossacavalli

Partial view of piazza Scossacavalli with St. Peter in the background (1930 ca.)
Partial view of piazza Scossacavalli with St. Peter in the background (1930 ca.)
  • ... that Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) could keep until its demolition in 1937 its cinquecento atmosphere? Source: "...Piazza Scossacavalli, con la sua atmosfera cinquescentesca... (Cambedda, 1990, p. 57)"
    • ALT1:... that the other names of the demolished Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) were linked to the cardinals living there? Source: "La piazza ebbe vari nomi a seconda dei cardinali che vi abitarono..." (Delli (1988) p. 857)

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:03, 2 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Hook isn't idiomatic English:
    • ALT2: ... that Piazza Scossacavalli in Rome (pictured) kept its cinquecento atmosphere until its demolition in 1937? Source: "...Piazza Scossacavalli, con la sua atmosfera cinquescentesca... (Cambedda, 1990, p. 57)" Johnbod (talk) 17:53, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Monsters (James Blunt song)

James Blunt
James Blunt
  • ... that James Blunt (pictured) wrote "Monsters" to express his feelings about his father and his illness?

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 10:39, 2 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 3[edit]

The Right Side of History

Created by TheEpicGhosty (talk). Self-nominated at 01:12, 6 February 2020 (UTC).

17 Million Fuck Offs

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 18:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg At first glance, there's a lot of issues with the quality of the article. I went ahead and fixed the infobox, however a lot of information is mixed together under one subsection. I would suggest splitting the article into three – "Release and promotion", "Commercial performance", and "Live performances" – based on what's already present. Also try adding the single's cover art and check for dead links. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:38, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @Nice4What: I disagree. I think that with the content that there is there isn't really enough to justify splitting into 3 separate sections. There isn't enough on the promotion side (at least for the first release) to justify a separate section and the live performances would only cover the Brexit Day performance as I can't find anything about him performing it live elsewhere. That's why I thought it better to split it simply into the original release and background and the more covered re-release. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 22:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Requesting an actual review, as I was just leaving a comment on the article's quality. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 14:59, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Crikey! Do you really think that "fuck" is suitable for homepage exposure? The article gives the obvious alternative as "f**k"; that's much more appropriate IMHO. Schwede66 18:35, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Alfredo Hueck

  • ... that Venezuelan film editor and director Alfredo Hueck became interested in the industry after his older brother made him learn to plug in a Betamax? Source: this interview (Spanish)

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 02:54, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I could probably assume good faith for the Spanish-language sources, but generally the article reads like promotional material riddled with peacocky language instead of an encyclopedic entry. The sources I can read seem problematic too, e.g. this entry is not significant coverage of Hueck by any means -- he is merely listed as editor, so it would be as good as simply linking to the movie's IMDb page... Other links like the indiegogo and vimeo ones similarly do not establish notability. I would recommend that we do away with such links Cheers Kingoflettuce (talk) 11:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Really? I wrote it as a career overview, one that I thought was a bit weak but good for DYK. Not all sources need to have sigcov nor establish notability, you've just cherrypicked. There's no reason why his main coverage being in Spanish means he's not notable. Those sources you want to get rid of are sourcing things, would you rather it have ref tags? Hollywood Reporter is more RS than IMDb, you know.
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Someone following DYK criteria to review, please. Kingsif (talk) 19:47, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Afraid you are very much misunderstanding/mischaracterising whatever I have said, Kingsif. I never once said that the "main coverage being in Spanish means he's not notable"; in fact, I was willing to assume good faith! Your Hollywood Reporter "citation" is pointless and doesn't establish an iota of notability. Anybody who understands notability guidelines will agree... As for the stuff I can read and fully understand, I maintain that there is still far too much fluff for this to run. Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:30, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 4[edit]

Roberto Saccà

  • reviewed: Berthella ocellata (2nd article)
  • comment: The three roles - all lead roles - are a singer, a composer and an improvising organist - which I find cute. Help?

Created/expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk) and LouisAlain (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt at 14:18, 11 February 2020 (UTC).

Feels Good Man

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC).


Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - ALT0 possibly not the most interesting thing about this subject

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Review is incomplete - please fill in the "status" field

  • CAPTAIN MEDUSA, I wonder if you could get a really good alt out of the fact the documentary explores whether Pepe can be rehabilitated, as his creator wishes? I can't write it as if I do, I can't review it. Could you write it? --valereee (talk) 19:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Also awaiting QPQ --valereee (talk) 20:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Ping CAPTAIN MEDUSA, in case you missed the earlier ping! --valereee (talk) 16:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Valereee, I am currently in Nepal (in a very rural area). I do not have access to much Wi-Fi. If you have a good alt, can you share it with me. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 01:26, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Palazzo del Governatore di Borgo

Drawing of the facade attributed to Antonio da Sangallo il giovane
Drawing of the facade attributed to Antonio da Sangallo il giovane
  • ... that the Palazzo del Governatore di Borgo in Rome (pictured) is one of the first works showing the artistic maturity of Antonio da Sangallo the Younger? Source: "...dimostra l'evoluzione della cultura di Antonio, ormai libera da incertezze e consapevolmente diretta alla riacquisizione di vocaboli classici..." (Portoghesi, p. 84)

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:01, 4 February 2020 (UTC).

Dick Johnson Is Dead

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 14:53, 4 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 6[edit]

Günter Kehr

Farah Pahlavi greeting the Kehr Trio after a 1965 concert in Tehran
Farah Pahlavi greeting the Kehr Trio
after a 1965 concert in Tehran
  • ... that Günter Kehr, violinist and director of the Peter Cornelius Conservatory from 1953, founded the Kehr Trio (pictured) with two students, touring in the Americas and the Near East? Source: several + the pic
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: his centenary is on 16 March - the woman on the pic was an empress then, but I find it hard to mention that in hook or caption, help welcome!

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Reviewing... ミラP 17:22, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Created seven days before nom, prose is 2666B, everything is verifiable. I AGF the NYT and others. @Gerda Arendt: your QPQ please? Also the Earwig won't load. ミラP 17:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for looking! I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Bowling Green Offices Building. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: You're welcome. But the Earwig problem still stands. ミラP 18:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
No problem for a hook planned for 16 March. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Megan Rosenbloom

Megan Rosenbloom
Megan Rosenbloom

Created by Jessamyn (talk). Self-nominated at 00:29, 6 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg While an interesting hook, I have concerns about the article's writing. In particular, it reads like a promotional peace for Rosenbloom rather than an encyclopedic article. In addition, the sourced used is Mentalfloss, and I'm not sure if it's a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Note: Susmuffin has since added an {{advertisement}} tag to the article, meaning the nomination cannot be approved until that is addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:22, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
  • OK, I'll see if I can find someone to give the article a style read through. I changed the source link for the DYK to be a link to the project that Rosenbloom works on, I wasn't sure if that was too much like a link to her own web page (even though that is not her site). Thanks for the review. Jessamyn (talk) 01:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I made some changes and others made some changes and I think the article reads much better now and not promotional. Jessamyn (talk) 01:00, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, the article looks better now. However, I do have some concerns about the coverage in the article. Specifically, the coverage in the article appears to be more about the project she's part of instead. There are some articles about her used as sources, but I'm not sure if they really establish her notability. I'll do the full review soon, but I'll need to ask for a second opinion on the subject's notability. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:17, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 7[edit]

Clarice Phelps

Clarice Phelps
Clarice Phelps
Clariceephelps.jpg
  • ... that Clarice Phelps (pictured) was repeatedly deleted from Wikipedia?
  • Reviewed: President Clinton
  • Comment: See DRV for the most recent consensus finding about moving this to mainspace. I've listed just four authors per these stats as I don't want to break the nomination but maybe we can add more.

Created by Jesswade88 (talk), Hodgdon's secret garden (talk), Kaldari (talk), and Levivich (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 16:19, 7 February 2020 (UTC).

  • The image is public domain, like all the other Oak Ridge images which we are using (see Actinium, for example). GMG's contrary view lacks consensus and is not held by any of the parties such as Oak Ridge or the subject. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I've replaced the image to use one which appears on a DoE website: DOE Celebrates Black History Month. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:52, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Long enough, new enough. No apparent policy or sourcing issues. No apparent plagerism. EarWig's shows a lot of results but nothing of concern. The hook is a bit off. Please choose something about her life. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

  • What does "a bit off" mean? C&C should please clarify their objections. We will have some time as this was put forward as a picture hook and the pictures have now been deleted too. I'm putting some feelers out to get a replacement... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:38, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson: After all the trouble to get her here, I think we should focus on her and not on this stupid controversy we created. I think we should avoid navel-gazing and recognize her for once. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree with C&C. A hook like this glosses over some of the other things we can talk about (like being in the Navy before her discovery? appearing on the IUPAC's Periodic Table of Younger Chemists?) The Wikipedia thing, in my opinion at least, should be something we use as a last resort, especially since it's pretty meta. epicgenius (talk) 20:06, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Also, I found this interesting: She is the first African-American woman to be involved with the discovery of a chemical element. I think this is probably the most directly hook-worthy fact. epicgenius (talk) 20:08, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I mean, you might be able to make a compromise if we can keep it concise: e.g., ... that X walked on the moon, scaled mount Everest, cured cancer, and then was deleted from Wikipedia? GMGtalk 20:09, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
"Follow the sources", right? Pretty much all the independent secondary sources were written after her page was deleted, and either mention the deletion, or focus on the deletion. Based on what the RSes are writing about, her page deletion (meta or navel-gazing as it might be) is part of her notability, if not the core of it. I agree with GMG's suggested compromise. How about:
ALT1: ... that Clarice Phelps (pictured), the first African-American woman to help discover a chemical element, was deleted twice from Wikipedia? Levivich 20:14, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I can get behind this but can we avoid saying that a human being was deleted. The article about her was deleted. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 20:43, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Ping Levivich. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:15, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Pong Coffeeandcrumbs. I'm good with "... that the article about Clarice Phelps ...", or something similar. – Levivich 01:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Levivich, if I suggest it, I cannot review it. Face-wink.svgFace-wink.svg --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:05, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
something something dyk bureaucracy Hey guys! How about:
ALT2: ... that the article about Clarice Phelps (pictured), the first African-American woman to help discover a chemical element, was deleted twice from Wikipedia? – Levivich 01:17, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Or: ALT3: ... that Clarice Phelps served in the engine room of the USS Ronald Reagan, was the first black woman to help discover a chemical element, and the article about her was deleted twice from Wikipedia?
Maybe that's too many words. – Levivich 01:23, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Hooks ALT2 and ALT3 are cited in-line and interesting. QPQ is done. Good to go. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

  • @Levivich: If we're looking to go with Alt 3, we could really use some more careful wordsmithing: that Clarice Phelps served in the engine room of on the USS Ronald Reagan, and was the first black woman to help discover a chemical element, and but the article about her was deleted twice from Wikipedia? GMGtalk 13:34, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
GreenMeansGo, ALT3 is technically short enough. But if you add ALT4, I will give a green means go. Caution you though, that "but" is going to be seen as POV; "and" is more NPOV. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't know I agree that conjunctions are clearly POV. It is constructed as a juxtaposition. When contrasting "good thing, good thing, bad thing" or "A thing, A thing, B thing", the word but should be used, asand implies they are the same "type of thing". GMGtalk 14:05, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
GreenMeansGo, look at it from the deleting editor's point of view. The version he deleted had neither the USS Ronald Reagan nor proper sourcing for "the first black woman to help discover a chemical element". Saying "but" at least implies that the article was deleted in spite of this information. That was not so. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
If we have a longer hook which adds to the deletion issue then the word "but" is quite appropriate.Andrew🐉(talk) 17:30, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
I can see both sides of the "and/but" argument and don't really have a strong opinion. Pinging authors Jesswade88, Hodgdon's secret garden, and Kaldari for input on the hook. Levivich 17:38, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I've been nudging people to get more images loaded and this has started to happen. The subject has loaded a stack of images onto Commons. The bad news is that attempts to delete them are now being made, such as this. But the deletion discussion for the original image is not settled as it seems that there are contradictory OTRS tickets. It's amusing that Wikipedia claims that it is not a bureaucracy and ignores all rules but we should wait for this to work itself out before advancing the DYK, as we're bound to get an image through the gauntlet eventually. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:30, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree about waiting a bit to let the OTRS/copyright issues get sorted out so the article can have a picture (hopefully more than one). Levivich 17:38, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
If someone is in contact with the subject, as I suspect @Jesswade88: may be as she was aware of the new uploads in under an hour, and she is active on social media, the easiest way to get an image in short order would be to ask her to take an actual selfie, that is legitimately own work, not available elsewhere online, and has the original meta data intact. But we cannot have the subject simply collect images of herself from hither an yon and upload them as her own work. GMGtalk 17:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
As GMG is now trying to delete the new images too, we're better off sticking to the original image, which is supported by a clear official statement of its public domain standing. We're now back on track with that, thanks to Levivich's local upload. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Objection - African-American and Black are no where near to being the same thing, and the article has never claimed that Clarice Phelps is the first black woman to be involved with the discovery of a chemical element. In case it's not clear, I am referring to Alt3, not Alt1 and 2, both of which correctly state African-American. Mr rnddude (talk) 20:44, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Mr rnddude, see the timeline of quotes of the "first" claim at Talk:Clarice Phelps#Weighting and accuracy. Some sources say AA, some say black. In the December 11 podcast interview, Phelps herself uses both terms when discussing the claim. In this particular case, since the subject and the sources use both terms, I think we can use either term. "Black" is shorter; I think "AA" is used by a slight majority of sources. – Levivich 20:51, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Our article does not claim first black woman, and none of the three cited sources supporting the claim say first black woman either. All three state African-American, as does IUPAC. Mr rnddude (talk) 20:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
While that is true, the talk page thread I linked to lists 14 sources that have the "first" claim, seven of which use "black", and eight of which use "African-American" (one source–Phelps herself–uses both). There is an ongoing discussion about exactly what our article should say and which sources should be cited. Your input on the talk page on that would be welcome. (I don't actually have a preference which we use, I just don't think either one are "wrong" or "right", since the sources are split and Phelps uses both.) Let's agree the hook and the article should use the same terminology. But I'd invite everyone reading this to go over to the talk page and cast a !vote about whether the language used in the article and the sources cited should be changed or not, so that we can establish durable consensus for concrete language. - Levivich 21:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
@Levivich: I could be wrong, but I only count 4 sources (of the 14) that use "black woman", as opposed to "black American woman" or "African American woman", and one of them is the Daily Dot, which is hardly a reliable source for chemistry. "African American" is a more narrow claim and also more plausible. Many elements were discovered in pre-historic times, likely by black people. Personally, I would favor using "African American woman", as the article does. Kaldari (talk) 02:44, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
OK I was going to suggest additional hooks in response to the feedback above and below, but what I'm coming out with is way too wordy and needs copyediting to make it crisp. Any suggestions/improvements on:
... that Clarice Phelps served as an NCO aboard the nuclear aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan, was the first African-American woman to help discover a chemical element, [and/but] the article about her was deleted twice from Wikipedia? Levivich 19:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Levivich, please give this hook a number and it is too long. Use this tool. We want below 200 characters (not counting "(pictured)" and "..." but including "?"). --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:09, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to let someone else take a crack at further hook suggestions. Levivich 15:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Please note, while the Commons deletion discussion (as of this time, trending keep) may take over a month to be closed (judging by their backlog), our FFD process takes 7 days. I've uploaded a local copy of the image (File:Clarice Phelps ORNL headshot.jpg), which is now at FFD, and so I'd ask this nom remain open for seven days until that discussion closes so we can potentially have a picture for this nom. Levivich 16:35, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

  • comment - Inasmuch as the controversy over her blp's inclusion appropriately pertains more to wikipedia than to her, any bluelink to it ought redirect, say, to a subsection in whatever the WP omnibus article about Wikipedia controversies (eg - where would this fully-referenced news quote of Dr Jess Wade, physicist from Imperial College London, best fit: "Writing her [Phelps's] page was constantly inspirational"? w/in the article about phelps? or w/in one about wikipedia controversies?).

    So maybe a DYK w rgd Phelps might more optimally reference Phelps's community activities (diff) followed by note of her scientific career including her assist on the super-heavy elements milestone. For example, see this 2019 blurb by TEDxNashville.

    Clarice Phelps
    Program Manager, Oak Ridge National Laboratory

    "Clarice Phelps is a research scientist at Oak Ridge National Lab who previously served in the United States Navy as an NCO in the Naval Nuclear Power Program. With a combined 16 years of experience, she has worked on the separation, purification and processing of radioisotopes for private and commercial entities. Clarice is dedicated to STEM initiatives and ensuring that access to STEM education is available to under-represented communities. In 2019, she was recognized by the IUPAC's (International Union Of Pure and Applied Chemistry) Periodic Table of Young Chemists for her commitment, public engagement, and being an advocate for diversity. She is the first African- American woman to be involved with the discovery of an element, Tennessine."
    https://www.ted.com/tedx/events/35429

    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 18:42, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Primarily the alts but also the shorter initial proposal. Sorry, but so-called "inclusionist" Wikipedians should not be rewarded for feeding misleading narratives to "reliable secondary sources" about how Wikipedia's systemic bias against Black women had anything to do with this page's deletion, and unsourced claims to the contrary have no place in the article itself, let alone on the main page. Many of the "inclusionist" editors who argued against the page's deletion are just as likely, if not more likely, to argue against deletion of articles on old white men, and apparently favour removing our inclusion criteria that, if removed, would work far more to the benefit of said old white men (and their locally operated snake oil companies) than to victims of systemic bias who are in fact notable. Hijiri 88 (やや) 02:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Moreover, the claim that it was deleted twice (per community discussion, systemic bias, or anything else) is technically misleading, even if it is sourced; one AFD ended in deletion, an editor disruptively recreated the page contrary to that consensus, and it was speedily deleted a second time as a result. I might as well ping User:TonyBallioni, since editors are discussing essentially badmouthing him on the main page of the encyclopedia without ever having notified him. Hijiri 88 (やや) 02:49, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I've stricken the above because enough people have been painted (both on- and off-wiki) as racist/sexist for saying the article didn't meet our inclusion criteria, and given how absurd that claim is I see no reason to believe that opposing the current DYK nomination wouldn't draw the same kind of retaliatory action. I don't need that kind of hassle right now, so I'm withdrawing my opposition. Great "inclusionism", guys. (And let's be clear, it is almost all "guys" -- specifically white men who have no sincere interest in combating systemic bias -- whom I was addressing with the above; I have not now, nor have I ever had, any strong opinions one way or the other on whether we have an article on this particular chemist, and my issue has rather been with the contentious behaviour of certain Wikipedians.)Hijiri 88 (やや) 07:51, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I won't cast a formal oppose, but I share Hijiri88's sentiments regarding the inappropriateness of this hook. We should not be throwing those who !voted to delete in prior discussions under the bus by implying that they were culpable agents of systemic bias. Oh, and this is navel-gazing. One can easily construct a satisfactory hook that doesn't throw anyone under the bus. Lepricavark (talk) 13:42, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg In light of the opposition, we need new hook suggestions. I am still willing to review any new hooks. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 16:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Coffeeandcrumbs has made many edits of the article and seems too involved to be a reviewer. Per H2, we must "Use common sense here, and avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest. " Andrew🐉(talk) 17:09, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
For the record – regardless of C&C giving up their role as reviewer to offer up a hook – C&C had not edited the article prior to conducting this review. Your "concern", Andrew Davidson, is manufactured horse manure. Mr rnddude (talk) 21:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Good, that frees me up to suggest a hook:
ALT5... that the IUPAC recognized Clarice Phelps and Nathan Brewer in the Periodic Table of Younger Chemists in part due to their contributions in the discovery of tennessine?
--- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 20:46, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
This is a relatively good hook, save perhaps for "in part due to" which kills some of the hookiness, but I think that ideally the hook should focus on Phelps alone. I may as well contribute an
  • ALT6:
    ... that Clarice Phelps is a nuclear scientist recognized as the first African-American woman to be involved in the discovery of a chemical element?
    Simple, short, and to the main point. Mr rnddude (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I am not personally opposed to ALT6 as presented above, but I think we should note that it (and other alts like it) carry the implication that both "at least one African-American man" and "at least one woman who was not African-American" (and even "at least one Black woman who was not American") have been involved in the discovery of chemical elements in the past.
Everyone knows Marie Curie discovered two elements, so the second is fine, but not being a chemist myself I am not comfortable speculating on how many African-American men and Black women who weren't American could have been "involved in" the discovery of various chemical elements. See this for an example of how messy such things can be, where popular media sources deliberately use overly specific classifiers because they don't want to do the research to find out whether it would be okay to say that someone was "the first Asian American to play a leading character in a Star Wars film" and have to tag "woman" onto it.
Moreover, there is also the fact that "African-American" is generally perceived as a more polite synonym for "Black", but by calling her "the first African-American woman" we are not only using a polite euphemism but also implicitly stating that it would be wrong to call her "the first Black woman" (because, for instance, there have been one or more Black British women who have been "involved in" the discovery of chemical elements in the past). I don't want to get into an argument over whether it's not okay ("OR", to use a phrase that gets thrown around a lot on Wikipedia talk pages by people who really should know better) to assume a source is saying "African-American" simply to be polite and not to distinguish "American of Black African ancestry" from "person of Black African ancestry" based on a Google search of discoverers of known elements to determine that no "Black women who were not American" have been involved in said discoveries in the past and just write "Black", but I would also question the appropriateness of assuming that sources aren't just being polite and do in fact mean to distinguish "African-American" from "Black". (I also wouldn't be surprised if, say, no African-American men had been involved in the discovery of a chemical element in the past but a Black man from a country other than America had, and "reliable sources" that clumsily use "African-American" to refer to Black people regardless of whether they are American decided to dub her "the first African-American woman" even if she is in fact "the first African-American" with no "woman" qualifier being necessary.)
There's also the fact that I don't feel particularly inclined to go and do any of that googling myself: does anyone else here?
Hijiri 88 (やや) 03:47, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
James Andrew Harris. As for white women, Marie Curie was the first; there have been others; two worked with Phelps, for example. not being a chemist myself I am not comfortable speculating on how many African-American men and Black women who weren't American could have been "involved in" the discovery of various chemical elements ... yes that's exactly right. Don't speculate. Thankfully, we don't have to speculate, we have a source. 14 sources, actually, but the best one is IUPAC. They are chemists, and they're the international body that officially recognizes new elements and sets the standard for the periodic table of elements, and so they don't need to speculate. This is Wikipedia: we follow the sources, we don't second guess them with our own speculation or original research. Levivich 17:32, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
So ... you're saying that you also don't know if any Black women who weren't American had been "involved in" the discovery of chemical elements prior to Phelps? (The quotes are not scare-quotes -- my problem is that the wording is vague, and so verifying based on original research that no Black women who weren't American had ever been "involved in the discovery of a chemical element in some way" would be virtually impossible, so a reliable source would be needed explicitly verifying or falsifying as much.) You have my gratitude for pointing out Harris, but I don't know why you needed to draw attention to the fact that there have been other white women, since I didn't ask that question. The fact that many of our sources are written by chemists is irrelevant, since chemists are just as likely as anyone else to use "African-American" instead of "Black" based more on politeness than precision -- I don't think it is a good idea for us to be implying that she was not "the first Black woman to be involved in the discovery of a chemical element" unless we can confirm that she was in fact not. (Also, I find it a little weird that you of all people are saying I shouldn't be talking about stuff outside my field when you were talking down to me about stuff inside my field, about which you clearly knew nothing that you hadn't learned from Wikipedia, just two months ago...) Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:30, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
BTW, the predicate of "which" is "stuff", not "my field"; I don't know if you know stuff about Japanese language and literature that you didn't learn from Wikipedia. Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:32, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
@Hijiri 88: First, African-American isn't a euphemism. Second, the specific wording used by the sources wasn't just made up out of thin air, it's actually been researched. Do you really think the IUPAC and Physics Today would make such a statement without knowing what they were talking about? James Andrew Harris was the first African-American to help discover an element. And neither of them are the first black person involved in the discovery of an element, as it is quite likely that many elements were originally discovered in Africa by black people in pre-historic times, such as gold and silver (as discussed by physics author, Kit Chapman). Regardless, the hook as written is well supported by the article and the sources cited, which is what matters. Frankly, you seem to be much more interested in the politics of this article than the article itself, but I'll assume good faith for the time being. Kaldari (talk) 16:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: My ping failed because your signature doesn't match your username :P Kaldari (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
First, African-American isn't a euphemism. Yes, it is. People mistakenly use "African-American" as a polite word for "Black person of African descent" or even "Black person from Africa" all the time. This of course does not relate to Phelps herself, but it might relate to others, so the problem is that we should ideally be able to find sources that actually say she wasn't "the first Black woman...". Second, the specific wording used by the sources wasn't just made up out of thin air, it's actually been researched. That is the assumption, yes. Do you really think the IUPAC and Physics Today would make such a statement without knowing what they were talking about? Again, maybe they're just being polite, which has nothing to do with accuracy or reliability: the IUPAC does not use the phrase "first Black woman" anywhere on their website.[30] And neither of them are the first black person involved in the discovery of an element, as it is quite likely that many elements were originally discovered in Africa by black people in pre-historic times, such as gold and silver (as discussed by physics author, Kit Chapman). Huh. That's actually quite a good point. I withdraw my ... non-opposing query, I guess. Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Re the suggested hooks above, maybe WP's own "DYK" w rgd this blp's deletions--tho "navel gazing," sure!--would be a find way for the Community "consentaneously" to go out of its way to draw attention to where in a certain instance various advocates successfully mounted a publicity campaign in their addressing the scientific field &tc blah blah blah's ersatz systemic wp:BIASes. What the hey.
    If it was solely up to me, though, I'd pick Alt5 'cos it's seemingly more complimentary to the subject of the blp than merely referencing that she'd been the source of former discussions hereabouts IMO--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:41, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
In a side note to Ms user:Hijiri88: Yeah it's true it's my opinion that inasmuch as Wikipedia-isn't-written-on-paper my own !voting position defaults to If there are multiple sources covering certain subjects, even those whose import is questioned by many (or else even are often thought pseudo-scientific in nature), let's go ahead and Keep. ((Also, for what it's worth, I'd think it might be perfectly reasonable for WP not to host articles on either of the youngish researchers Clarice Phelps or Nathan Brewer, too. Be that as it may, that ship has sailed.[31]))
As for ah "the Tertiariacy" ((by which I mean us & other encyclopedias ha ha ha))'s performing "due diligence" about things we cover, that's perfectly reasonable and ok too, in my opinion, even if we must do what equates to our ah "originating research" to come to these conclusions [eg say Should there be just loads of, yes, completely independently sourced and arguably extensively ah um 'researched' material built upon or naively reviewed among folks holding onto whatever leapsoffaith premises of the flat earth society hey maybe an academic encyclopedia might reasonably choose to give the same short shrift in its coverage compared to something not outta left field].
--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:41, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
@Hodgdon's secret garden: Umm ... what does any of the above have to do with what I wrote, and if it has nothing to do with what I wrote then why did you ping me? The closing statement of the DRV you link actually would appear to support my initial, long-ago withdrawn, contention that this petty, vindictive, slimy and toxic "deletionist Wikipedians tried and failed to destroy this article" malarkey should stay off the main page. Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:51, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Colleagues, I encourage you to suggest hooks for consideration. We needs a hook that will gain consensus, and, respectfully, we need hook suggestions on this page more than we need commentary about the article subject or the deletion controversy, or anything else.

Personally, I still like ALT0 the best, because it's the most click-bait-y, and I think that's what makes a good hook. The purpose of a hook isn't to summarize the article, it's to entice the reader to click on the bold link and read the article, and I think ALT0 does that best of those that have been presented so far (including my own), and it's sourced and otherwise complies with DYK criteria. I do not read ALT0 as throwing anyone under a bus or otherwise being critical of the deletion decision–it's just an interesting fact: there are not many articles whose subjects are notable (at least in part) for having their WP articles deleted. This a unique hook and an excellent candidate for the bottom slot.

That's my pitch for ALT0, which is the one that was suggested in the nom. I understand not everyone will be in favor. To those who are not: which other(s) do you prefer, or can you suggest more?

Thanks to everyone for their participation here! Cheers, Levivich 06:08, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

@Levivich: Have you read through the prior discussions that might lead to the belief that people are being thrown under the bus? We know the nominator, Andrew Davidson, came to this page through the deletion discussions and has a history of making slimy, battleground remarks about "deletionists", including specifically attacking people in relation to this particular article.[32] It is therefore very difficult not to read this as a continuation of the previous disruption, essentially being a "sore winner" by kicking the people who had previously argued against this topic having a standalone article now that external circumstances have resulted in the article making a comeback. Hijiri 88 (やや) 06:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: It's no secret I've been an outspoken critic of ARS lately and you, me, and Andrew have been on all sides of all kinds of disagreements in the past, but the battleground is all in the back room, and I think we should leave all the back-room stuff aside and look at it from the reader's point of view. The reader, upon reading the hook, will not have read all the prior deletion discussions, and will not know that Andrew D was the nominator, or be aware of what ARS is, and will not know anything about our deletion processes most likely, and will probably not even be aware that the deletion was a controversial issue at all or understand inclusionist/deletionist. Upon reading the hook, the reader will think that they've never read a hook before that talks about an article being deleted, and they'll want to know what that's about, and they'll click the link. The motivations of the hook-suggester are totally irrelevant to the question of whether it's a good hook or not (it doesn't matter why somebody wrote something, words are words, just like 2+2=4 no matter who writes it or why), and the reader is not going to know any of this wiki-inside-baseball stuff. But all that said, if you don't think ALT0 is the best hook from the reader's perspective, which one do you like better, or do you have any to suggest? Because I'm open to other hooks and I'm sure Andrew D and everyone else is too. Levivich 07:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
If the hook must mention the deletion of the article, then ALT2 would be the much better hook, imho. Unless the reader knows who Clarice Phelps is, or why she is notable, then the deletion of the article about her is unremarkable as articles are deleted daily from Wikipedia for a variety of reasons. ALT2 is hookier because (one may ask) why in the hell would Wikipedia delete an article on "the first African-American woman to help discover a chemical element"? The news isn't the deletion of an article, it's the deletion of an article with such a claim to significance. If I were benevolent dictator, however, this would not be my first choice. I think that the focus should be on the article subject's accomplishments, not on the background processes of Wikipedia and any controversy it stirred up because it detracts focus from the article subject. Mr rnddude (talk) 07:22, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • My role here is as the DYK nominator. I have a reasonably long and successful record of nominating articles about pioneering women for DYK. These include other articles written by Jess Wade such as Kim Cobb, Roma Agrawal and Abbie Hutty. As an experienced nominator, my priorities include:
  1. Making the hook short, punchy and unusual, so that it attracts attention on the crowded and busy main page
  2. Having a picture to go with the hook, as this typically doubles the readership
  3. Avoiding rambling, clutter and secondary links which tend to distract from the main subject
I still think that the original hook does this best but, naturally, other editors may have other opinions. In considering these, we should give priority to the main authors of the article in question because they have done the heavy lifting and know the topic best. Respecting their views will also encourage them to do more good work. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:15, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The ALT6 hook seems good to me. It meets all the hook criteria and is well supported by the article and sources. Disclaimer: I helped write the article, so I'm not officially a reviewer. Kaldari (talk) 17:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
    Agreed. ALT6 looks fine. (Just spotted this discussion after I was randomly pinged on the article talk page). If people want to move on from the idea that Phelps was not notable, then using a hook implying that her deletion from Wikipedia is the most interesting thing about her is exactly the wrong course of action. If nobody objects then I don't mind signing off ALT6 as good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:38, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
cmt - user:Amakuru, also it's of course not dispositive the bio entry was removed to-and-from mainspace but twice (diff) :~) --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 21:59, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
"twice" is an internal Wikipedia affair not discussed in most of the secondary sources, though. Notability and systemic bias aside, the reason it was deleted a second time was entirely rooted in the disruptive behaviour of the article's recreator and other defenders in violating consensus by recreating exactly the same article after it was deleted at AFD. Hijiri 88 (やや) 00:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Very true, which is all the more reason not to use the "deleted twice" motif in the hook, and to go with something interesting from Phelps's actual achievements.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:35, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
It's also worth noting that the "Wikipedia article" section is now very different from when those hooks were originally presented, such that the article text now no longer supports those hooks (it seems reliable secondary sources never supported them). The article text now points out, quite rightly, that the independent sources available at the time the article was deleted didn't mention Phelps. It may indeed be that the article being deleted from Wikipedia was what prompted independent reliable sources to note Phelps's contribution as they hadn't previously (the take-home being that "Wikipedia deletionists helped resolved systemic bias in the real world"), but lacking a reliable source we can't say that in the article, let alone the DYK hook. I'd be quite happy to just recognize ALT6 immediately. Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
It might also be worth noting that Levivich has in the last hour or so edit-warred to insert unsourced and/or Wikipedia-sourced content into the "Wikipedia article" section -- this lack of stability almost certainly disqualifies any reference to the Wikipedia article deletion from being included in the hook. Hijiri 88 (やや) 05:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @Andrew Davidson: Do you have a reliable source for this hook? Moreover, forgive me if I am wrong -- I am not as experienced with DYKs as you are -- but is it standard practice to edit a primary hook after multiple editors have already commented on it and no less than five separate alternates have been proposed? Hijiri 88 (やや) 13:09, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Copy-edits are commonly made to hooks as they flow through the many steps of the DYK process. A formal ALT is only appropriate when you have a major change to the nature of the hook, as otherwise you'd get a proliferation of version numbers which would tend to clutter and confuse. See WP:DYKHOOK, "A hook is subject without notice to copy-editing as it moves to the main page. The nature of the DYK process makes it impractical to consult users over every such edit."
As for a supporting source, the Royal Society of Chemistry, seems adequate.
Andrew🐉(talk) 13:58, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Please, can we move on from these ridiculous WP:NAVEL-gazing hooks mentioning the deletion debacle. I find it frankly astounding, that after so many arguments citing her groundbreaking achievements as reason why she should have an article, and after finally that article is here and ready to be showcased, the best tagline that people can come up with for Ms Phelps is that her Wikipedia article was repeatedly deleted. This is like Sarah Brown (wife of Gordon Brown) syndrome all over again - labelled as famous for something that's unrelated to your work and career. We owe it to Ms Phelps to do better than that, and ALT6 is right on the money IMHO - it highlights her major career achievement and why it's groundbreaking.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
WP:NAVEL is irrelevant because its point is that self-reference within articles may be confusing when our content used elsewhere. This is not an issue for DYK hooks because they are ephemeral and only appear on Wikipedia's main page, not in other places. The fact about deletion is notable and seems likely to be interesting to the main page's readership. They are reading Wikipedia and so will wonder what there is about this topic that has caused it to be deleted so often. Perhaps they should read it quickly before it is deleted again? This forbidden fruit aspect generally works well as a hook – see Banned in Boston; the Streisand effect; &c.
The alternative suggestion about being the first X to do Y is not so hooky because it's a cliché at DYK – I have done many such hooks myself. See here where a regular set-builder complains that "Hook writers are resorting to superlatives so frequently that it's impossible to build a prep set with varied language. Right now the majority of prep sets have two to three "firsts" each. I'd like to call on reviewers to ask for more interesting hooks about the subject than that they were just the "first"—especially women hooks."
The alternative fact that I liked was the bit about working in the engine-room of the USS Ronald Reagan. That's a bit of a stretch though as she actually worked at monitoring and controlling its nuclear reactor. Presumably that was done remotely as I doubt that she was physically pushing control rods or crawling around "Jefferies tubes". The actual details are probably classified as a matter of military security and so verification may be difficult.
Andrew🐉(talk) 23:52, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 9[edit]

Deans Cottage, Riccarton House, William Deans

Riccarton House in 2010
Riccarton House in 2010

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:33, 9 February 2020 (UTC).


Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: ????
  • Interesting: ????

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Review is incomplete - please fill in the "status" field

  • William Deans: new enough, long enough, adequate sourcing. Neutral. No obvious copyvio. Hook info is not in this article, but it would be an awkward insertion; the sentence giving his death date is sufficient, and it has a citation. --valereee (talk) 12:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Riccarton House: new enough, long enough, adequate sourcing. Neutral. I think the hook support sentence is probably Riccarton House was commissioned by Jane Deans (1823–1911) after the death of her husband, John Deans (1820–1854). but that sentence does not have a citation. No obvious copyvio. --valereee (talk) 12:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Deans Cottage: new enough, long enough, adequate sourcing. A couple of sentences confused me, I tagged them with explanations in the edit summary. Neutral. Hook assertion is supported by sentences giving the Deans' death dates, which have citations. No obvious copyvio. --valereee (talk) 12:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm not in love with the hook. William is kind of shoehorned in, since he had zero to do with the house. John Deans would have been easier to work in, since we know he did plan to live there. Are there other possible hooks? Or maybe tweak it to 'William Dean's brother John' died before he could blah blah blah' or something? --valereee (talk) 12:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 10[edit]

Pompton Junction station

  • ... that a wild shootout broke out at Pompton Junction station in New Jersey over $600 worth of stolen metal and clothing? Citation 11: the NYDH article
    • ALT1:... that an officer was nearly killed in a wild shootout at Pompton Junction station with metal and clothing thieves? Citation 11: the NYDH article

Created by Mitchazenia (talk). Self-nominated at 17:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - yes
    • Cited in the same paragraph. However, it needs to be repeated at the end of the sentence as well. WP:DYK#Cited hook says the cite must appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient.
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: Red XN - yes

  • (You have 6 DYK nominations already, so a QPQ is needed)

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg epicgenius (talk) 17:48, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

6? I have 52 DYKs. Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 04:30, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mitchazenia: The DYK tool only counts 6, though older DYK nominations are not counted. In any case, because you have more than 5 DYKs, a QPQ needs to be done before this can be approved. epicgenius (talk) 15:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Already did it. Still think this is stupid. Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 17:48, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I assume that your QPQ is Template:Did you know nominations/Passage of Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Symbol confirmed.svg Since you have done that, and added the citation, looks like this is good to go. epicgenius (talk) 17:51, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Mitchazenia, the quid pro quo review needs to be a complete review of both article and hook(s): newness, size, neutral, adequately sourced, and free from close paraphrasing/copyvio. For example, the "contrary to public opinion" hook claim is unsourced, so the hook cannot pass unless it is. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:39, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Done, but goes without saying I won't be nominating a DYK for a while. QPQ is a bit silly. Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 06:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Magdalena K. P. Smith Meyer

Created by Wyatt Tyrone Smith (talk). Nominated by Gbawden (talk) at 13:20, 14 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 11[edit]

The New Abnormal

  • ... that the Strokes revealed the release date for their upcoming sixth album The New Abnormal while performing at a rally for U.S. presidential candidate Bernie Sanders? Source: "The Strokes played a set at Bernie Sanders' rally in Durham, New Hampshire Monday night (February 10). During their performance, ... Julian Casablancas said, 'Album's coming out April 10.'" ([33])

Converted from a redirect by Plainumber (talk) and Aria1561 (talk). Nominated by Aria1561 (talk) at 02:33, 18 February 2020 (UTC).

Michael Volle

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:37, 17 February 2020 (UTC).

Silas Papare

  • ... that Silas Papare hated Indonesians so much, he wasn't sent to a conference with Indonesians which in turn made him found a pro-Indonesia political party? Source: Chauvel, Richard (2005). Constructing Papuan Nationalism: History, Ethnicity, and Adaptation, p71: "Prior to Ratulangi’s arrival, Papare was known for his forthright anti-Indonesian views. In 1946, despite his close relations with Resident van Eechoud and other senior Dutch officials, Papare’s reputation as an “Amberi [Indonesian] hater” caused him not to be chosen as the Papuan representative at the Malino conference that set up the pro-Dutch “State of East Indonesia,” due to fear that he would alienate the Ambonese whose support was essential to the plan’s success. Partly for this reason, Papare developed an intense feeling that his services to the Dutch and Allied causes had not been sufficiently recognized or appreciated. Thus, when Ratulangi arrived in Serui, Papare was already alienated from the Dutch. This, together with his reputation among his people, made Papare, the nurse, an ideal collaborator with Dr. Ratulangi, the medical doctor turned politician."

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 19:23, 11 February 2020 (UTC).

North Transfer Station

Moved to mainspace by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 11 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New article and it is long enough, no copyvios, the hook is interesting and is cited to the Seattle Times. All that's needed is QPQ. Mccunicano☕️ 06:12, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Edward Kamakau Lilikalani

Source:Kuykendall, Ralph Simpson (1967). The Hawaiian Kingdom 1874–1893, The Kalakaua Dynasty. 3. Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press. pp. 193–194. ISBN 978-0-87022-433-1. OCLC 500374815. "As the time approached for the election of 1876 ... At the head of the government ticket in Honolulu was E. K. Lilikalani, a young protégé of the king ... "; Source: Lydecker, Robert C. (1918). Rosters of Legislatures of Hawaii 1841–1918. The Honolulu Gazette Col., Ltd. pp. 272, 274. Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii Session 1905, House of Representatives, Fourth District.
  • Adding three ALTs below. — Maile (talk) 14:14, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
NOTE: ALT2, if approved, could probably be good as a quirky slot hook. — Maile (talk) 15:48, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


Created by Maile66 (talk) and KAVEBEAR (talk). Nominated by KAVEBEAR (talk) at 05:30, 18 February 2020 (UTC).

Şırnak Silopi power station

Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I like alt3 the most - the phrasing makes the subject sound most interesting. Article is new, long enough, well-sourced, hook is sourced and interesting. Suggestion for alts1 and 2, the phrase 'Şırnak Silopi power station' should be 'the Şırnak Silopi power station'. -M.Nelson (talk) 16:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg It is not clear why this nomination was approved. DYK articles must have a minimum of 1500 characters of text; this one has 1462 characters. Several paragraphs lack any citations, per Rule D2. The main problem with the article is it is a series of one-sentence paragraphs. An article appearing on the main page must look like more than a work in progress. Some expansion of each of the topics is in order. Yoninah (talk) 21:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I apologize, I had not read the supplementary guidelines. I agree with your evaluation and have changed my review accordingly. Thank you for taking the time to review and catch this; I hope to be more diligent in the future. -M.Nelson (talk) 21:53, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I have added a little more info and cites. If more needs doing please let me know.Chidgk1 (talk) 09:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you, the article looks much better now. Length and sourcing are fine. The only outstanding issue is that the hook mentions gilsonite but the article doesn't. Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • good point - fixedChidgk1 (talk) 07:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 12[edit]

William Griswold (museum director)

  • Comment: Apologies for being a couple hours late, I had some minor issues in gathering offline sources to support the article.
    • Shortened the hooked down from 261 characters to less than 200 to meet format guidelines. – Aranya (talk) 13:28, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Created by Aranya (talk). Self-nominated at 02:00, 20 February 2020 (UTC).

I Will Mention the Loving-kindnesses

Arthur Sullivan c. 1870
Arthur Sullivan c. 1870
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: best for Easter 12 April, yes the Sullivan of Gilbert & Sullivan

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is in the public domain, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. We await the QPQ. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Horse surfing

  • ... that horse surfing is the act of one person surfing while being towed behind a horse". SurferToday. Retrieved 2020-02-10."

Created/expanded by AirsandGraces2812 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 16 February 2020 (UTC).

Eugene C. Barker

  • ... that Eugene C. Barker was involved in "the biggest bear fight in Texas history" with Texas Governor James Ferguson, but Barker kept his job and Ferguson was impeached?"Source:[36] (pp. 32–33.)
    • ALT1:... that "Barker published his biography of Stephen F. Austin in 1925. Despite the importance of Austin to Texas history, no other scholarly biographer challenged Barker's Austin with a full-length biography until 1999."? Source: [37] (p. 34)
    • ALT2:... that "Barker assumed the chair of the history department at the University of Texas in 1910; that year he was appointed as managing director of the Texas State Historical Association, while also assuming the role as editor of the organization's journal, the Quarterly of the Texas State Historical Association."? Source: [38] (pp. 27–28.)
    • ALT3: ... that, though Eugene C. Barker published his biography of the "Father of Texas," Stephen F. Austin, in 1925, it was not challenged by another scholarly biographer until 1999? Source: [39] (p. 34)

Created by Oldsanfelipe2 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:53, 12 February 2020 (UTC).

  • @Oldsanfelipe2: Welcome to DYK. Just a few tips of advice: you need to bold the article title and link it, like this: Eugene C. Barker. The DYK hook does not have to copy the sentence(s) in the article word-for-word. And the hook must be a single sentence, below 200 characters and must end in a question mark. Finally, no quotes are required around a proposed hook. The full list of hook rules are at WP:DYKHOOK.
  • Based on this, ALT1 and ALT2 are far too long, so I've crossed them out. I've written ALT3 as an example only; there are still some things that need to be clarified, e.g. who Stephen F. Austin is. epicgenius (talk) 13:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Oldsanfelipe2: I will take this review and help guide you through the DYK process. Michael Barera (talk) 01:19, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


Zachariah A. Rice

  • ... that Zachariah A. Rice left his successful Atlanta businesses for the adventure of gold and quartz mining during the California Gold Rush? Source: [1][2]
    • ALT1:... that during the American Civil War, Zachariah A. Rice wrote more than 63 letters to his wife, offering insight into military life of a Confederate cavalry officer? Source: [1][2]

Created by Gulbenk (talk). Self-nominated at 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC).

References

  1. ^ a b Stephen Davis; William A. Richards (Spring 1992). "An Atlantan Goes to War: The Civil War Letters of Maj. Zachariah A. Rice, CSA". Atlanta History Center. Retrieved February 11, 2020.
  2. ^ a b Wallace Putnam Reed (1889). History of Atlanta, Georgia: With Illustrations and Biographical Sketches of Some of Its Prominent Men and Pioneers. D. Mason & Company. pp. 131–134.

Early Swallows

  • ... that the 2019 Ukrainian teen drama Early Swallows was the first Ukrainian TV show that portrayed teen LGBT identity?
    • ALT1:... that 2019 Ukrainian teen drama Early Swallows has been praised for making issues that are rarely dealt with in Ukraine in public debatable?
    • ALT2:... that 2019 Ukrainian teen drama Early Swallows was responsible for a 600% increase calls to a helpline?

Source: Ukraine's teen bullying drama that shattered taboos and stirred a nation, BBC News (12 February 2020)

Created by Yulia Romero (talk). Self-nominated at 19:48, 12 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg ALT0 and ALT2 are really good hooks. However, right now the article is just over 1300 characters long, which is below the 1500 character requirement for DYK. The nomination cannot move forward until the article is expanded further. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:12, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I just extended the article with (among others) a source found on Ukrainian Wikipedia. Hope it is long enough now, otherwise I am afraid it has to be extended with fluffy information.... Glad to hear that others find the TV show an interesting subject. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 01:34, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I have expanded the article even more since 13 February 2020 Face-smile.svgYulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:11, 16 February 2020 (UTC))

Passage of Martin Luther King Jr. Day

  • ... that contrary to public opinion Illinois wasn't the first state to recognize Martin Luther King Jr. Day as Connecticut recognized a holiday in his honor on June 14, 1973 although it fell on a Sunday? [1]

Created by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Looks good to me, but the second half seems a tad long on the hook. I can understand if you don't want to remove it. Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 04:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Yeah it seems long to me and I have been working on making it shorter, but I think it needs the Sunday not Monday part since there might be some "achsualy" people. I am going to try and shorten it again so tell me if it is better. - Jon698 (talk) 4:50, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • My question is on the Sunday part. There's something bothering me on the way it's written both ways. "although it fell on a Sunday" will pique interest, but it just reads awkwardly.Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 06:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Since it's been alerted to me that I have to sign off on all of it, there is also apparently no source for the public opinion. Length is quite clearly fine, sourcing is insanely fine for a new article (makes me jealous, as I have some 400+ citation articles in sandboxes), and it was new on the 30th of January. That may be an issue. I would probably think it would help both my original complaint and my current one to remove the contrary to public opinion. Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 06:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

  • @Mitchazenia: Yeah I agree. How does this sound? "that Illinois wasn't the first state to recognize Martin Luther King Jr. Day as Connecticut recognized a holiday in his honor on June 14, 1973 although it fell on a Sunday?" - Jon698 (talk) 2:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Meskill Signs King Day Bill". The Bridgeport Post. June 15, 1973. p. 9. Archived from the original on January 23, 2020 – via Newspapers.com.

Articles created/expanded on February 13[edit]

Epidemic curve

Created by Almaty (talk). Self-nominated at 07:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC).

Cristina Alberini

Created by Jesswade88 (talk). Nominated by Achaea (talk) at 15:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

Madwoman (book)

  • ... that Madwoman is Shara McCullum's fourth published work of poetry?

Created by Benjamin Fincher (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 16 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have read the article and feel that it is interesting. It surpasses the 1,500 characters requirement and was expanded at least five folds (13 February) within seven days before the nomination (16 February). The article has a neutral tone and is informative, and I do not see any copyright issues. There are few formatting that can be polished, however, and the hook may present more interesting information, such as being a book that has 55 poems in English and Jamaican languages. Maybe a little formatting and an ALT hook and this nomination will be ready to go.--Karto1 (talk) 14:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Sydney Gardens Tunnels

Cleveland Tunnel and House
Cleveland Tunnel and House
  • ... that despite common belief, a hatch in the roof of the Cleveland Tunnel (pictured) wasn't used to pass paperwork between canal boats and office workers, but was probably for waste disposal? NHLE: "and with refuse shoot running down to canal through hole in the tunnel roof (the legend that this is for passing messages to passing barges is erroneous)"; Batsford (1980) shows that it is/was common belief ("a persistent legend...")

Created by MIDI (talk). Self-nominated at 11:10, 13 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment re: @Mandarax:'s edit: I'd gladly reword hook or article appropriately. "Barge", although used in the source, ought to be avoided as it is a misleading term; there is a common misconception—certainly in the UK—that any canal boat is a barge and that barges are narrowboats (we boat folk get quite het up about this!), and therefore we'd best avoid propagating this if at all possible. "Canal boat" is a neutral term that covers any sort of vessel on the waterway and should be compatible in this instance. While not ideal, perhaps a disambiguation to List of the types of canal craft in the United Kingdom would work instead? MIDI (talk) 09:21, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I thought "barge" was the closest disambiguation for "canal boat", especially since that's what the source uses, but I've changed it per your suggestion (although it may be better to just unlink it). Feel free to make any desired changes yourself. I would prefer that the hook and article use the same term (canal boats or vessels), but I'll leave that for you and the reviewer to decide. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 19:50, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Hiyori Nitta

Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:27, 13 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Per MOS:EGG I think "voice actress" should just link to voice actress. And, at the risk of opening a can of worms, perhaps consider replacing "actress" with "actor" per MOS:GNL. WanderingWanda (talk) 00:40, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Alternatively, we can just not have any of the links, other than the bolded link and the series link. This might not be ideal though. epicgenius (talk) 17:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Querida Amazonia

  • Comment: First nomination; QPQ not required.

Created by Ravenpuff (talk). Self-nominated at 17:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 14[edit]

Salgo v. Leland Stanford Jr. University Board of Trustees

  • Comment: I'm launching this for the student and instructor to help ease them through the process, this should count as one of their grace nominations.

Created by Aliylo (talk). Nominated by Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) at 20:19, 19 February 2020 (UTC). @Aliylo and Benjamin Mako Hill:

Uncharted 4: A Thief's End

Improved to Good Article status by Rhain (talk). Self-nominated at 22:26, 16 February 2020 (UTC).

Ski-BASE jumping

  • ... that the ski-BASE jump in the opening scene of the Bond film The Spy Who Loved Me was filmed only once due to weather and technical restrictions? Source: Telegraph

Moved to mainspace by Snakey123 (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 09:15, 15 February 2020 (UTC).

Indonesia–Australia Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement

Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 16:03, 14 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 15[edit]

Le Concert Spirituel

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: The article had a crazy history, developed independently by two users here, and one there, and merged. Users listed in chronological order.

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk), and Mccapra (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC).

Judith Liberman

  • ... that the career of French storyteller Judith Liberman was shaped during her childhood in a commune? Source: "Judith has had a colorful life growing up in a weaving community that spent nights storytelling and sharing songs by a fire. Judith began learning the art of storytelling from the age of 14. She went on to study theater in Pomona, California, storytelling at the conservatory of Paris and ..." {"... has even given a TEDx talk in 2013 on storytelling and the enchanted world. She has also since moved to Istanbul where she has monthly storytelling performances and a weekly radio show and ..." [43]

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 09:36, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

Joseph Stoddart

  • Reviewed: Daniel R. Lucey
  • Comment: I have classed this as "moved to mainspace" per discussion on the DYK talk page despite the fact that it spent a few minutes in mainspace on 1 February before being draftified. If the reviewer disagrees, then it could be converted to 5x expanded by me, which would probably require dropping the credit to the creator, Aureliastoddart.

Moved to mainspace by Espresso Addict (talk) and Aureliastoddart (talk). Nominated by Espresso Addict (talk) at 07:15, 17 February 2020 (UTC).

Nettie Lee Benson

  • ... that Nettie Lee Benson is the namesake of a Latin American library containing over 1 million books and over 100,000 photographs? Source: Julianne Gilland and Melissa Guy, "Collections as Collaborators" in Latin American Collection Concepts: Essays on Libraries, Collaborations and New Approaches, p. 78. [45]
    • ALT1:... that Nettie Lee Benson's doctoral dissertation on Mexican independence has been published in Spanish and English? Source: Crawford and Ragsdale, "Nettie Lee Benson" in Texas Women: Frontier to Future, p. 180. [46]
    • ALT2:... that Nettie Lee Benson—a historian, librarian, and archivist—learned how to graft trees at her father’s nursery? Source: Crawford and Ragsdale, "Nettie Lee Benson" in Texas Women: Frontier to Future, p. 175–176.[47]
    • ALT3:... that Nettie Lee Benson is the namesake of the Latin American Collection at the University of Texas? Source: Julianne Gilland and Melissa Guy, "Collections as Collaborators" in Latin American Collection Concepts: Essays on Libraries, Collaborations and New Approaches, p. 78. [48]

Created by Oldsanfelipe2 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:18, 16 February 2020 (UTC).

2018 24 Hours of Le Mans

Improved to Good Article status by MWright96 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 16[edit]

O salutaris hostia (Miškinis)

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

Jammu and Kashmir Public Safety Act, 1978

Source: "Dozens of politicians, including three former chief ministers -- Farooq Abdullah and his son Omar Abdullah"(Livemint IANS), "Farooq arrested under four-decade old law enacted by his father Sheikh Abdullah" Economic Times
  • Reviewed: remaining

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 13:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Will expand shortly to meet minimum size requirements, forgot that quotes aren't included. DTM (talk) 13:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I added some sources in the Bibliography. The article is at the moment quite substandard. It says practically nothing. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:19, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Did a little expansion with the help of the bibliography provided above. Although minimum DYK nom character requirements are met, the article yet has more to say; rather it is yet to speak. DTM (talk) 14:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hydroides ezoensis

  • ... that larvae of the tube worm Hydroides ezoensis prefer to settle on a rock with a bacterial biofilm rather than on a clean surface? Source: "Les larves planctoniques sont attirées vers certains substrats par des signaux chimiques solubles (des acides aminés libres) émis par le biofilm bactérien recouvrant le substrat. Ces signaux induisent la fixation et la métamorphose. La présence d'individus de la même espèce d'Hydroides augmente le pouvoir d'attraction du substrat. Il est intéressant de noter que les larves d'Hydroides préfèrent, comme de nombreux organismes qui ne se reproduisent pas par bourgeonnement, s'installer sur des supports déjà habités par des annélides tubicoles plutôt que sur une surface complètement nue et récente."
    • ALT1:... that larvae of the tube worm Hydroides ezoensis prefer to settle in a location already inhabited by other worms of their own species?

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 11:07, 22 February 2020 (UTC).

Mayfeld

  • Reviewed: Ulrich Mohr
  • Comment: The first two ALTS are sort of jokey, whereas ALT2 is the more straightforward one...

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self-nominated at 04:41, 21 February 2020 (UTC).

Walter M. Giffard

  • ... that Walter M. Giffard was a consultant on the design of the grounds landscaping of the Royal Hawaiian Hotel in Waikiki? Source:"Plans for the landscaping of the new Royal Hawaiian hotel grounds as prepared by R. T., Santa Barbara landscape architect, in consultation with W. M. Giffard of Honolulu, have been submitted to the Territorial Hotel Co., for which the big Waikiki hostelry is being built." "Island Touch to Landscaping of New Hotel". Honolulu Star-Bulletin. May 22, 1926.
    • ALT1:... that under the leadership of Walter M. Giffard of the Hawaiian Sugar Planters Experimental Station, the destructive cane leafhopper was brought under control? Source: "Of vital importance to the industry was the reorganization in 1903 of the Experiment Station of the Hawaiian Sugar Planters’ Association, in which Mr. Giffard, as chairman of the organizing committee, took a leading part. With the reorganization ... the discovery and introduction of beneficial parasites resulted in the control of the cane leaf hopper pest.George F. Nellist, ed. (1925). "Walter Le M. Giffard". The Story of Hawaii and Its Builders. Honolulu Star Bulletin.
    • ALT2:... that Walter M. Giffard was instrumental in the importation of the Yellow Caledonia cane, a species with natural resistance to the cane leafhopper? Source:"We own to him the importation of the Yellow Caledonia" Smith, Jared G. (July 2, 1929). "Walter M. Giffard". The Honolulu Advertiser.," Yellow caledonia resistant to leafhopper attack" Dine, Delos Lewis Van (1911). The Sugar-cane Insects of Hawaii. 91-93. U.S. Government Printing Office. pp. 23–25.
    • ALT3:... that Walter M. Giffard was on the Committee to Destroy Postage Stamps, Postcards and Stamped Envelopes under the Republic of Hawaii? Source :"1897 Jan 5 Committee to Destroy Postage Stamps, Postcards and Stamped Envelopes""Giffard, Walter M. office record" (PDF). state archives digital collections. state of Hawaii. Retrieved January 4, 2019. "All Wednesday afternoon the committee appointed by the President and composed of Lieutenant Col. Soper, W. M. Giffard and F. L. Stolz, together with members of the Treasury and Post Office Departments, were busy with the work of counting the stamps and envelopes which were placed in six mail bags and sealed.""Stamp Cremator". The Pacific Commercial Advertiser. January 29, 1897. p. 1, col. 5.

Moved to mainspace by Maile66 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:41, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

Charles MacTavish

5x expanded by Andrew Gray (talk). Self-nominated at 18:35, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

San Michele Arcangelo ai Corridori di Borgo

View of the church of San Michele Arcangelo with the passetto in background (1900 ca.)
View of the church of San Michele Arcangelo with the passetto in background (1900 ca.)
  • Reviewed: Old City of Hebron
  • Comment: In case of decision in favour of ALT1 we could substitute the picture of the church with that of the fresco, also in the article

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC).

Gordon Falcon (Royal Navy officer)

Royal Navy officers boarding Chesapeake, one of whom was Falcon
Royal Navy officers boarding Chesapeake, one of whom was Falcon

Moved to mainspace by Ykraps (talk). Self-nominated at 09:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC).

Climate sensitivity

Improved to Good Article status by Femkemilene (talk). Self-nominated at 17:28, 16 February 2020 (UTC).

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on February 17[edit]

Uganda Army (1971–1980)

  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 12:24, 20 February 2020 (UTC).

Amar Asha

  • ... that "Amar Asha", a Gujarati poem by Manilal Dwivedi, was reviewed by Mahatma Gandhi in his magazine? Source: "Thaker, Dhirubhai (1956). Manilāla Nabhubhāi: Sāhityasādhana મણિલાલ નભુભાઇ: સાહિત્ય સાધના [Works of Manilal Nabhubhai] (in Gujarati). Ahmedabad: Gurjar Grantharatna Karyalay. pp. XV–XVI. OCLC 80129512.
  • Reviewed: Winston Price
  • Comment: GOCE request. Ongoing copyedit.  Done

Created by Nizil Shah (talk) and Gazal world (talk). Nominated by Nizil Shah (talk) at 05:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC).

Oxford Circus

  • ... that Oxford Circus has been London's busiest pedestrian crossing? Source: "Oxford Circus has the highest pedestrian volumes recorded anywhere in London." ([50])
    • ALT1:... that you can get a bus in any direction within 200 metres (660 ft) from Oxford Circus? Source: " Bus stops are located within 200 metres of the junction on all four approaches." (as above)
    • ALT2:... that Oxford Circus was originally called Regent Circus North? Source: "Piccadilly Circus was originally formed in 1819 by the intersection of Piccadilly and Nash's New Street. It was one of the two links which joined together the three sections of Regent Street, and was known as Regent Circus South, Oxford Circus being called Regent Circus North" ([51])

Improved to Good Article status by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 17 February 2020 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The first proposed hook is confusing as it implies that Oxford Circus might no longer be London's busiest pedestrian crossing. ALT1 isn't too interesting (but this might be my NYC bias where bus stops are spaced roughly every 100 metres (330 ft)). ALT2 might be obscure for those who don't know London too well.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg This seems pretty short for an intersection of this much renown, and especially for a Good Article. But it does meet all of the criteria. Incidentally (as a fun fact), you could've just claimed this as a 5x expansion and it would still have been eligible (expansion would have been calculated from 12 February). epicgenius (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

This source says Oxford Circus was the busiest but is no longer. In terms of scope, I discovered many sources that refer to "Oxford Circus" actually mean Oxford Street, Regent Street, Soho or Oxford Circus tube station, all of which are GAs. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ritchie333: All right then. For ALT0, I suggest replacing "has been" with "was" or something else that confirms it is past tense. "Has been" might signify either past tense or that it is ongoing. The scope is fine: big cities tend to refer to different topics by the same name (our equivalent in NYC might be the Triborough Bridge, which refers to a bridge and to the parent authority). I can take a look at ALT0 again after the hook is changed. epicgenius (talk) 17:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Actually, on further thought, the fact that Oxford Circus is no longer London's busiest pedestrian crossing isn't in that article. So that would have to be added. Provisionally, I think I can technically approve ALT0 and ALT1, though I find the latter to be not too interesting. epicgenius (talk) 21:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Winston Price

Created by Dishita Bhowmik (talk). Self-nominated at 16:38, 17 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Doing... -Nizil (talk) 05:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg New nominator so QPQ not required. Winston Price is new but nominated late. It was moved to from draft to mainspace on 6 February but nominated on 17 February. It should be nominated within 7 days. The article need some work as well (sentences without citations and citation needed tags, too many sections for small article). I can fix the hook for dyk which is not formatted properly but unfortunately the nomination was late. I have to fail the nomination. Don't be disheartened. Please nominated your next new article in time and please go through WP:DYK to familiarize yourself with rules. Ask someone else/me for help if you are stuck anywhere. Please keep editing. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 05:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Nizil Shah, given that this is a new editor and a first DYK, can we IAR to allow the nomination to be a few days late? --valereee (talk) 22:30, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Valereee I would have ignored the late nomination problem. But article needs a lot of improvement before passing DYK. There are several [citation needed] tags, grammar and some MOS issues. I have asked one editor, who regularly creates medical bios, to fix them. It may take some time. So if someone fix this quickly, I would reconsider. -Nizil (talk) 07:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Nizil Shah Issues fixed DishitaBhowmik 13:50, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Nizil Shah...I just read the above. Article still needs clarifying. With due respect, although initially hesitant, I have come to develop an interest in this article. Price did discover the first common cold virus but the rest of his research appears controversial. If I get my head around this, can we take Valereee's suggestion and carry the dyk through? I'll take responsibility, but need a little time. I don't mind helping a new editor Dishita Bhowmik. The decision is yours. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg OK. If you people are willing to make it better, I would let go 4-days late nomination issue as an exception. I would like to encourage a new editor and a new DYK contributor. @Dishita Bhowmik:, please stay in touch and watchlist this page as well as the article. You may learn a few thing from @Whispyhistory: as he will improve the article. I will review it after it has been improved. Please propose new hooks as well because current hook is not formatted properly. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 13:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Nizil Shah Thank You. I am really willing to improve the article. DishitaBhowmik 15:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Dillegrout

  • ... that William the Conqueror gave his cook a manor on the condition he and his descendants serve dillegrout at every English coronation in perpetuity? Source: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=isbn:9781861897749 "the royal cook prepared a soup that pleased the royal couple so much that the kind presented him with the manor, on the condition this his descendants present the dish at future coronations in perpetuity."
    • ALT1:... that dillegrout was so delicious, it earned the cook a manor, but to keep it he and his descendants had to serve it at every future coronation of England? Source: same as ALT0
    • ALT2:... ... that it required a procession of 32, including three on horseback, for dillegrout to be served to the king of England? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=zvdVAAAAYAAJ&ppis=_e&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false "The first dish of hot meat is now brought into the hall preceded by two clerks controllers, two clerks of the green cloth, the Master of the Household, the Cofferer, six sergeants-at-arms, the Lord High Steward, with the Earl Marshall on his left, and the High Constable on his right hand. These three dignitaries are on horseback. They are followed by six sergeants-at-arms, then by the Comptroller of the Household, and the Treasurer of the Household, the Assistant to the Queen's Sewer and the Queen's Sewer, the Assistant to the King's Sewer and the King's Sewer. The course of meat is carried either by Gentlemen Pensioners two and two, or, as is more proper, by the new made Knights of the Bath. After them comes the Lord of the manor of Addington carrying the "mess called dillegrout," and the procession is ended by two clerks of the kitchen."
  • Reviewed: Have two in the hopper, with luck one will get wrapped up soon

Created by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 17 February 2020 (UTC).

21 West Street

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 01:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Newness: The prose portion expanded from circa 630 to circa 9700 characters, and therefore increased over tenfold, on 17 February.
  • Length: Easily over 9000 characters, and there are no lengthy quotations.
  • Hook: Three are currently offered. The first of these interests me the most; and for now it's the only one I'll consider. (If somebody objects to it or if an "Alt" has a strong proponent, then I'll look at one or more of the alternatives.) It's sufficiently compact, and easy to understand. The relevant assertion is easy to find within the article. The assertion comes with three references (and also a note that elaborates on the assertion but in no way questions it). The references (and note) come directly after the sentence. The three references are: (i) an article published in the NYT in 1930 and available online via "Timesmachine"; (ii) a description by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission, available as a PDF; (iii) a 1930 article within The Architectural Forum, again available as a (bulky) PDF. Being too cheap to subscribe to Timesmachine, I am unable to view the first of these. The NYCLPC description doesn't directly support it, but it does say that "The contemporary press noted" the fact. The specific source that it cites is an article in The Architectural Forum; there's not the slightest suggestion by the NYCLPC that the claim is inaccurate. The third: The position within this large PDF of pages 905–908 is a bit of a mystery, but it turns out to be the 67th of the 168 pages. Bruner writes on p.905 "This is probably the first commercial building in America to be so designed": The word "probably" may raise a flag, but of course no architect could have been omniscient. So yes, the claim is satisfactorily sourced.
  • Policy: Nothing about article or hook is problematic.
Cavils:
  • I almost concluded that Bruner's article was nowhere within the PDF that's linked to. After all, the PDF appears to go from page 111 to 232, and where would pages 905–908 fit within that. But yes, it is there. I wonder if it would be a good idea to provide an additional note assisting the reader in finding it.
  • I approve of what's currently note c, on the "fine distinction"; but if we take the trouble to say this, then I'd suggest adding the years for the two other buildings that the note mentions.
  • If US newspapers wish to put article titles, or parts of them, in FULL CAPITALS, that's their privilege; but when we present these titles, let's zap this. Therefore not "LATEST SKYSCRAPER FOR LOWER MANHATTAN; Thirty-one-Story Structure [blah blah]" but instead "Latest Skyscraper for Lower Manhattan; Thirty-one-Story Structure [blah blah]" (or similar) -- and of course the same for the other titles that appear in the references.
  • Do we really need to provide an ISSN for the NYT? I can't believe that anyone reading this article wouldn't know of the NYT, or that anyone not knowing of the NYT would have any idea of what to do with an ISSN. (Anyway, I doubt that rival publications share the same title.)
But more generally: The article is a pleasure to read. -- Hoary (talk) 13:46, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: Thank you for the review. Good point on the PDF - yeah, I should have PDF page numbers on the Arch Forum cite. I've also turned the newspapers to lowercase; the uppercase titles happened when I auto-generated these cites in VisualEditor. However, I left the ISSNs for consistency with my other articles on NYC landmarks, as these cites were also generated with VisualEditor. epicgenius (talk) 14:41, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Also, I added a word to ALT1 to reflect that this was only "probably" the case. epicgenius (talk) 14:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
[Cough] Actually, you added it to what we might call ALT0, and the word you use is "possibly". Thank you for the other elements of your response; the article is now even better. However, as for this element ... perhaps "possibly" was just a typo for "probably", but for whatever reason it's used, it makes the claim sound feeble -- which is unfortunate and, as the sources are confident enough, quite unnecessary. I suggest (Hoary (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2020 (UTC)) the following (or something similar ["earliest" rather than "first"?), and of course a parallel little change within the article itself:
  • ALT0′: ... that New York City's 21 West Street is the first known commercial building in the U.S. to have windows wrapping around the corners? Source: Architectural Forum 1930
    • @Hoary: Your ALT0` works as well and is much better than my phrasing (I was trying to look for a synonym for probably). However, since you have proposed that hook, if we decided to go with this hook then another reviewer has to tick it off. It's unfortunate bureaucracy, but that's the rule. epicgenius (talk) 00:24, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
      • Oh FFS. If I'd known that, I'd have made the suggestion on your talk page. (But I suppose that would be classed as "gaming the system".) Or of course I could have just kept mum. I could retract it, but you've gone and said that you prefer it. (And I have to say that I prefer it too.) Well, it's clear that I shouldn't have turned on the computer this morning! -- Hoary (talk) 00:35, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
        • @Hoary: No big deal, we've all done worse. Assuming ALT0` is fine, we just need to use this icon to ping a new reviewer: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg epicgenius (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
        • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Just to clarify, we need a new reviewer to take a look at ALT0`. epicgenius (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 18[edit]

Garth tsunami

Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 18 February 2020 (UTC).

Milk Morizono

  • ... that an erotic manga series by Milk Morizono received complaints from the police, parent–teacher associations, housewife groups, and politicians? Source: Adult Manga : Culture and Power in Contemporary Japanese Society
    • ALT1:... that manga artist Milk Morizono published over 35 paperbacks between 1986 and 1995? Source: Dreamland Japan: Writings on Modern Manga
    • ALT2:... that Milk Morizono has been called "the most popular and respected creator of erotic manga for women"? Source: Rachel Matt Thorn
    • ALT3:... that in 1981, Milk Morizono got divorced, made her debut as a manga artist, and won an industry award for new artists? Source: Official website profile (in Japanese), Dreamland Japan: Writings on Modern Manga

5x expanded by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC).

Arthur R. M. Spaid

Portrait of Spaid from History of Hampshire County, West Virginia (1897)
Portrait of Spaid from History of Hampshire County, West Virginia (1897)
  • ... that Delaware State Commissioner of Education Arthur R. M. Spaid (pictured) was a naturalist by hobby, and detailed his nature studies through illustrated articles and lectures? Source: "Professor Spaid is Commissioner of Education of the State of Delaware..." "His chief hobby for years has been nature study." "He has photographed hundreds of objects in nature, using the pictures for illustrating nature study articles. Several hundred of these studies have been used for making slides for illustrated lectures." (Source 1) Note: Additional supporting citations can be found throughout this article.

Moved to mainspace by West Virginian (talk). Self-nominated at 14:17, 18 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Note: Please feel free to suggest alternate hooks. -- West Virginian (talk) 15:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Dan Lam

  • ... that sculptor Dan Lam was born in a refugee camp in Morong, Philippines?
    • ALT1:her work began to capture attention quickly. In 2016, her following on that platform grew rapidly from approximately 11,000 followers, to over 76,000, and included celebrities such as Miley Cyrus, an event which coincided with growing recognition in the art world of the importance of social media.

Created by WriteIncunabula (talk). Self-nominated at 18:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 19[edit]

Battle of Ringgold Gap

Battle Ringgold Gap Drawing
Battle Ringgold Gap Drawing

5x expanded by Ereed23 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC).

Baby Be-Bop

Created/expanded by Amdoubleu (talk). Self-nominated at 20:37, 20 February 2020 (UTC).


Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Review is incomplete - please fill in the "status" field

  • Are you sure of the de Lint source? I can't find it online, but I do find this which seems to indicate that a Michelle West reviewed this book in May of 1996. --valereee (talk) 13:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I don't like to mess with anything inside quotation marks if I can't get to the source myself, but I assume 'whimsical na-lure' is a typo, not a nod to some term the book uses? --valereee (talk) 13:43, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm thinking some context for the hook would be good. Can you come up with a version that adds at least the year and probably some indication of location, could be 'West Bend, Wisconsin' or 'a town in Wisconsin' or 'a town in the US' --valereee (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

* I think the final words of the plot summary are too close to Amazon's description, unless that's a quote from the book, in which case we should put it in quotes. Do you have access to the book? --valereee (talk) 14:33, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

My library let me download and this phrase was indeed a direct quote from the book, so I've fixed this. --valereee (talk) 22:53, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Ping Amdoubleu --valereee (talk) 23:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Miller, Laura (June 2009). "A teen book burns at the stake". Salon. Retrieved February 5, 2020.

Aggie Kukulowicz

5x expanded by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 00:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC).

List of places of worship in the Borough of Fareham, Swanwick Shore Strict Baptist Chapel

Swanwick Shore Strict Baptist Chapel in 2019
Swanwick Shore Strict Baptist Chapel in 2019
  • ... that Swanwick Shore Strict Baptist Chapel (pictured), a place of worship in the borough of Fareham, was built to replace a converted wooden boat-shed that flooded during high tides? Source: Principally Chambers (1952) pp99–100. "...in 1835 a boat shed was secured and converted into a Meeting Room ... a wooden building, 120 feet long and 12 feet wide, but only 8 feet high, it was not an ideal place ... in the winter it was frequently flooded by high tides." The online listing record also touches on it briefly, describing it as a "boathouse".

Moved to mainspace by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:38, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

Milk War

Flags of Russia and Belarus
Flags of Russia and Belarus

5x expanded by Nice4What (talk). Self-nominated at 16:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

Hiraizumi Kiyoshi

Created by Yunshui (talk). Self-nominated at 08:35, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. I am a little uncertain on the sourcing of "After travelling in Europe in the early 1930s, Hiraizumi promulgated an approach to history known as kokoku goji shikan, a highly nationalist view centred on the importance of Imperial Japan." - some parts of it appear in source #1 but not all of the rest in #2. Is "high school" and "izanami"+"hakusan" mentioned in #3? I think perhaps #4 should be used for that. Which does not mention "Nihon shisoshi koza" as far as I can see. Is it a problem that #7 does not relate nationalistic view to the Shukokai? I am not sure if #9 and #10 supports all of the claims attributed to it. Hook is OK, didn't notice any plagiarism or copyvio. QPQ is OK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:42, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Now I remember why I haven't done a DYK for years...
  • I have split the sentence his travels in Europe, since my phrasing did make it look as though the one influenced the other; that's a fair criticism.
  • These are mentioned on page 226 of source #3.
  • This is covered on page 120 of source #4.
  • I can't access this page right now, but I'm pretty sure I recall source #7 specifically ascribing nationalistic views to the Shukokai.
  • If you want me to change things, you're going to need to be specific. I don't see anything ascribed to sources #9 and #10 that isn't supported. Yunshui  09:04, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Dara Tawfiq

  • ALT1: ... that after Kurdish nationalist Dara Tawfiq expressed his opposition to the Iran–Iraq War, he was arrested in 1981 and never seen again?

Created by Goldsztajn (talk). Self-nominated at 00:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Being "disappeared" by a regime or its thugs for opposing its war seems (tragically) routine these days. I'd vote ("!vote") for the original hook. -- Hoary (talk) 05:15, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm not in favour of ALT1 on the basis that it is too negative; a hook purely on the manner of Tawfiq's death is sensationalist. While the manner of some people's deaths can be considered noteworthy (eg Nicolae Ceaușescu or Nguyễn Văn Lém), that's not the case here.--Goldsztajn (talk) 08:06, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

David Leleo Kinimaka

David Leleo Kinimaka, in uniform
David Leleo Kinimaka, in uniform

Created by Maile66 (talk) and KAVEBEAR (talk). Nominated by KAVEBEAR (talk) at 02:07, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 20[edit]

Hebrides Terrace Seamount

Converted from a redirect by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 21:24, 21 February 2020 (UTC).

Cadamosto Seamount

5x expanded by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 21:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC).

History of Filipino Americans

Improved to Good Article status by RightCowLeftCoast (talk). Self-nominated at 04:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC).

I have reviewed the DYKN about Classmates (manga).--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 05:14, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Promoted to GA. Hook and article are referenced. First three hooks are interesting but last few hooks got too niche to be relevant to most people. No copyright or neutrality issues detected. QPQ needed. KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Teikō Shiotani

  • ... that during a three-day trip around Shimane, the photographer Teikō Shiotani and four friends feared they would starve but eventually found curry and rice with duck eggs? Source: "We took photographs for three days and I thought we would die.... During that trip we didn't encounter a single woman. There were no inns; we just wrapped ourselves in straw mats and kept on walking. Finally we managed to get some curry and rice with duck eggs and it was delicious." Which is my translation of 「三日間、死ぬ思いして撮ったんじゃよ。(中略)まるで女に会わん旅じゃった。宿屋もなく、ゴザをまとい、ただただ歩いた。やっと、ありついたアヒルの卵入りのライスカレーがうまかったなあ」. Quoted in Takayuki Kobayashi (小林孝之), "Honshi sōkan 50-shūnen kinen tokushū: Besutan no aji o ikiru: Dai-ikkai getsurei shashin nyūsen Shiotani Teikō shi no baai" (本誌創刊50周年記念特集 ベス単の味を生きる 第一回月例写真入選塩谷定好氏の場合; This magazine's 50th anniversary special: Living for the feel of the Vest Pocket Kodak: The case of Teikō Shiotani, winner of the first monthly exhibition), Asahi Camera, April 1976, pp. 161–164. (For more detail, see the talk page.)

5x expanded by Hoary (talk). Self-nominated at 23:59, 20 February 2020 (UTC).

Whitehall Building

Whitehall Building (right) and its annex (left)
Whitehall Building (right) and its annex (left)
  • ... that the Whitehall Building Annex (pictured) was said to be "one of the largest commercial structures in the world" at the time of its completion? Source: NYCL p. 4
    • ALT1:... that the Whitehall Building (pictured) was developed by a company headed by the inventor of Vaseline? Source: NYCL p. 2

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 23:47, 20 February 2020 (UTC).

Old City of Hebron

The Old City of Hebron
The Old City of Hebron

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 11:07, 20 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Starting review: Alex2006 (talk) 08:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg The article complies with almost all the requirements for DYK, but I see two problems: the first is that at the moment it is out of scope: it does not deal about the historic center of Hebron, but above all about the Israel occupation of the historic center of Hebron. It is not even explained why UNESCO considers it as a World Heritage Site. I think that first of all we need an "history" section where to put the info about the occupation, and then the article needs to be expanded, or to be renamed. Moreover, it is not completely neutral; for example, in the last sentence of the introduction, the source used (haaretz) is a liberal, left wing Israel newspaper. It would be good to know also the point of view of the government about the reason for the expulsion of the Temporary International Presence in Hebron. Alex2006 (talk) 11:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

There are severe POV problems with this article:
  • The article it doesn't mention all the controversy and criticism surrounding of site recognition by UNESCO [57]
  • It only gives a small one sentence about Jewish community while omitting its rich history and what happened to her along the history
  • It give POV explanation to the security measure by IDF from one side POV source without mention terrorist activities by Palestinian groups. --Shrike (talk) 13:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Alessandro57 and Shrike: for your comments. I focused my efforts when building this article on setting out the main sights, the divisions of the city, the current legal status, and finding good maps (the maps bit being the most time consuming...) All these points are good and fair, but this article is not up for WP:FA so it isn’t expected to be a fulsome account of all the political and historical complexities. These points are all addressed in great detail in the parent article at Hebron.

How can we address your POV concerns without turning this into a very long and complex article and without duplicating all the information at Hebron?

Onceinawhile (talk) 13:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

The point of view of the government about the reason for the expulsion of the Temporary International Presence in Hebron seems to be explained here. I say "seems to be" because it is "a liberal, left wing Israel newspaper":) Selfstudier (talk) 14:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks @Selfstudier:, then this point of view can be added (with its reference) to the article, and a point is solved. @Onceinawhile:, anyway, if, as you affirm, the "political and historical complexities" of Hebron are fully addressed in the article about the city, there is no need to repeat them here. Then I would focus the scope of this article on the historic center, writing more about the cultural and art treasures of the center itself, and maybe mentioning the controversy arisen because of the site recognition by UNESCO. Political and historical problems can be addressed through a redirect to the Hebron article or one of its sections. Alex2006 (talk) 17:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree I suggest removing the TIPH part, the UNESCO controversy should discussed from all angles also a connection to Jewish people should be mentioned explicitly.I think also if we want the hook about the Unesco the controversy should be part of the hook -Shrike (talk) 18:03, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
The observer group was originally set up following the well known massacre at the Ibrahimi mosque and since Israel is now insisting that it be included in the proposed annexation map being drawn up by an Israeli-US committee, it seems pertinent to retain the TIPH material in some (perhaps amended) form.Selfstudier (talk) 18:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't know what precisely you mean by "UNESCO controversy", do you refer to the U.S./Israel objection to the listing? If I recall there were only 3 votes against the proposal. However, I agree with the reviewer that it should be explained why UNESCO decided to list it.Selfstudier (talk) 18:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 21[edit]

Apache Nitrogen Products

  • ... that the Apache Powder Company used a fleet of fireless locomotives to prevent accidental explosions? Source: "Later, a “fireless” locomotive, manufactured by the H.K. Porter Co. of Pittsburgh, provided greater horsepower. It relied on an insulated steam reservoir rather than a conventional boiler that emitted sparks, which could prove deadly when hauling dynamite." - from [58] and [59]

Created by MB (talk). Self-nominated at 06:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

SAE J2954

  • ... that a new standard from the SAE, J2954, allows wireless charging for electric vehicles? Source: literally the name of the standard

Created/expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough. Well written and cited. Appears to be within policy. The article is highly technical and I appreciate the difficulty in finding a hook that is not boring and interesting to a broad audience. I find this hook a little boring, it just states the purpose of the standard. Maybe something about how the standard supports a targetting system so the driver sees on the display when they are close enough to the charger port? Symbol question.svg MB 22:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Robert Ludwig Kahn

  • ... that Robert L. Kahn was interned as an enemy alien after coming to England on a Kindertransport? Source: Beckschulte 1998, p. 208/209: "So gelangte Ludwig Kahn mit einem Kindertransport im Mai 1939 nach England. [...] Schließlich aber wurde er [...] als 'feindlicher Ausländer' festgenommen und auf der Insel Man interniert."
  • Reviewed: Yang Xin (art historian)
  • Comment: Could possibly be run on the 50th anniversary of his suicide (March 22). I can't find a good hook related to his death, though (suggestions welcome). We could also mix some of the hook facts or mention the Group 47 or the fact that Grass and Handke later received Nobel Prizes?

Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 16:16, 22 February 2020 (UTC).

Furman–Wofford football rivalry

Moved to mainspace by PCN02WPS (talk). Self-nominated at 15:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 22[edit]

Ravi Kumar Dahiya

  • Reviewed: Not yet

5x expanded by Dee03 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:07, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

KETX (TV)

  • ... that after the closure of television station KETX in Tyler, Texas, its bankrupt owner had $23,000 in assets compared to $164,000 in liabilities? Source: [60]

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 02:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

Nikolai Moskvitelev

Sukhoi Su-30
Sukhoi Su-30
  • ... that Nikolai Moskvitelev, a former officer in the Soviet Air Defence Forces, was still flying in old age, including a Sukhoi Su-30 (pictured) on his 80th birthday, and a Yakovlev Yak-52 just before his 90th? Source in Russian: "He celebrated his 80th birthday in 2006 with a flight in a Su-30 fighter, completing aerobatics with a load of up to 6gs. And on the eve of the 90th birthday, the general flew ... a Yak-52 with the same gforce!" ([61])
  • Reviewed: Primicimex
  • Comment: I think the picture is a good illustration here, showing what a modern jet fighter it was to be flying at 80, not to mention putting it though 6Gs of aerobatics apparently!

Created by Spokoyni (talk). Self-nominated at 18:38, 22 February 2020 (UTC).

Midori Katō

Expanded 6.71x by Miraclepine (talk). Self-nominated at 16:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 23[edit]

Eva Lee Kuney

Kuney in Penny Serenade, 1941
Kuney in Penny Serenade, 1941
  • ... that Eva Lee Kuney (pictured) was one of the children used to fill out the background of Munchkin scenes in the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz? Source: "I often told her she was one of the forgotten Munchkins, because the studio hired a bunch of children whose efforts were ignored over the years to fill out 'Munchkinland' for 'The Wizard of Oz'." (Las Vegas Review-Journal)

Created by Yoninah (talk). Self-nominated at 14:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC).

Lisa von Pott

  • ... that sculptor Lisa von Pott was the organiser of the Von Pott Group of pro-Nazi spies in wartime Vienna?
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 23:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

Malayanil

  • Reviewed: pending
  • Comment: Copyediting requested at GOCE.

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 06:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Green tickY
  • Neutral: Green tickY
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - (1) Since all of the cited sources are off-line or non-English, it would be helpful to include a citation after each sentence. This will also be critical for a copy editor to rearrange sentences. (2) The following sentences need to be refined: "It is considered as the first modern short story in Gujarati. The story was praised for its humour, characterisations, theme and plot." In both cases, the question is: By whom? For the first sentence, it may be fine to say "generally considered" given the sources appear to support that. For the second sentence, was it praised by: contemporaries or later writers, critics, etc.; generally or by a particular individual?

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - Is it neutral to say he "pioneered Gujarati short story writing" versus "was a pioneer of ..."? This source appears to refer to a dispute over who is considered to be "the pioneer of the short story in Gujarati" (emphasis added), but I can't see the full sentence to be able to judge.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Is there any reason the photograph, File:Kanchalal Vasudev Mehta Malayanil.jpg, should not be included with the DYK hook?

QPQ: Red XN - Pending.
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg The article generally meets DYK criteria but needs to be copy edited (requested by the nom here). Sourcing is partly verified and partly accepted in good faith, given nearly all sources are off-line or non-English. The only statements I could personally verify (relying on a machine translation of one source) were: he was born Kanchanlal Vasudev Mehta, raised in Ahmedabad, received a BA in Science, was unable to take his M.Lit. exam in Bombay due to illness, married Bhanumati, wrote "Govalani", was a/the pioneer of the non-didactic modern Gujarati short story, and died in Ahmadebad. The hook is interesting, as is the article overall. The question of "pioneered" (which reads like "the pioneer") versus "a pioneer" could be a non-issue, or one easily addressed by slightly rephrasing the hook and associated sentence in the article. QPQ is pending. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 24[edit]

Green Arrow (Arrow Episode)

  • Reviewed: QPQ exempt - nominator has fewer than five DYK credits

Improved to Good Article status by Autumnking2012 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC).

American Stock Exchange Building

American Stock Exchange Building
American Stock Exchange Building
  • ... that one New York Curb Exchange member considered the completion of the exchange's headquarters (pictured) more important than "the building of his own home"? Source: Sobel, Robert (1970). The Curbstone Brokers: The Origins of the American Stock Exchange. Washington, D.C.: BeardBooks. p. 178

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 03:40, 24 February 2020 (UTC).

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