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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Contents

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
September 20 1 1
September 21 1 1
September 25 1 1
September 27 1
September 28 1 1
October 1 2 1
October 3 3 2
October 6 1
October 7 2 2
October 8 3 3
October 10 4 2
October 11 4 3
October 12 4 2
October 13 3 1
October 14 2 2
October 15 8 5
October 16 4 2
October 17 2 2
October 18 4 2
October 19 2
October 20 4 3
October 21 6 3
October 22 6 3
October 23 2 2
October 24 4 4
October 25 5 5
October 26 7 7
October 27 12 9
October 28 6 5
October 29 10 7
October 30 8 7
October 31 13 10
November 1 10 10
November 2 13 9
November 3 9 6
November 4 9 5
November 5 12 8
November 6 13 8
November 7 13 6
November 8 8 5
November 9 7 5
November 10 6 6
November 11 7 5
November 12 10 8
November 13 10 5
November 14 9 5
November 15 6 3
November 16 3 1
November 17 8 2
November 18 5
Total 294 195
Last updated 23:00, 18 November 2019 UTC
Current time is 23:40, 18 November 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Shortcut

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

How to review a nomination[edit]

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]

Backlogged?[edit]

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]


Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on September 27[edit]

Fort Washington Park (Manhattan)

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 00:08, 28 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg A fine expansion. Article has been beefed up from 877 bytes to 8,280, easily more than five times and indeed closer to ten. Hook is interesting; I assume patch.com is a reliable source (although the piece seems to be travel promotion, the plain and dry fact of it being the only remaining lighthouse in Manhatten and situated under the GW Bridge is easily verifiable). No copyvio concerns - the tool complains about close paraphrasing of the American Scenic and Historic Preservation Society's full title, which I don't think is appropriate. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this from the queue as it appears there are at least two other extant lighthouses in Manhattan, Blackwell Island Light and the Titanic Memorial (New York City). Pinging Epicgenius and Ritchie333. Please note that when checking claims of exclusivity like this, it's important to double check them with a google search as such claims are often erroneous. The ALT hook also has an issue in that the lighthouse is not actually "under" the bridge, but "in its shadow", so I couldn't use it, and IMO the hook is not all that great anyhow. Gatoclass (talk) 12:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────┘ Let me suggest

ALT2 ... that there is a lighthouse under the George Washington Bridge in Fort Washington Park?

Reads more smoothly. EEng 15:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 1[edit]

Memory: The Origins of Alien

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 1 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg While the article is new enough and long enough, it is probably not yet ready for DYK. The hook fact is only mentioned in the Plot section and thus doesn't have a reference. A reference could be added since references are optional for plot sections, which might solve the issue, but a better alternative could be to instead write a Development section for the article. In addition, considering the article's relatively short length, I'm worried about the Reception section as it's pretty much mostly review quotations, meaning a significant amount of the article is copied from elsewhere. Right now I can think of two solutions: expand the article further to bring down the proportion, or to rewrite the reception section so that instead they paraphrase the reviews instead of being heavily reliant on quotes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:08, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have formatted the article per your comments.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 19:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
It looks better now; however, the hook fact sentence remains uncited in the article, and the only cited parts in regards to it only imply it but do not directly state it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, It has been sourced.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:41, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough and has been improved as per the above discussion. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ is still needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:29, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you. This nomination is good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:21, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, and did some editing on the article to align it with what the sources say. But the article is really sketchy, and that's why it's hard to come up with a good hook. (The one you have now is just repetitive.) You have more information you could add from the sources you have, especially to the Production section. The part about Alien's "mythological roots" could be an interesting hook if fleshed out more in the article. Yoninah (talk) 22:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree with Yoninah that the hook is repetitive and not very interesting, since the title is practically self-explanatory. Something new should be found. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Striking ALT1 as inaccurate. According to the source, Philippe was "entranced" by the Alien poster. However, in the words of the article, he was "obsessed by the mythological roots of Alien", so the article could be modified accordingly ("entranced" and "obsessed" are not at all the same thing). The article needs to be updated as well, to reflect what Philippe actually said and to properly quote the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that while promoting his 2019 documentary film based on Alien, director Alexandre O. Philippe credited Three Studies for Figures at the Base of a Crucifixion for "getting him excited about exploring the film"?
BlueMoonset maybe this could work?~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:52, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

KEYZ

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 23:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg - 5 times expansion from 76 words to 421 words is good. Age is fine. Inline reference for hook checks good. No copyvio or plagiarism concerns. Earwig reads violation unlikely at 2.0%. Reliable sources are used. Hook is interesting and short enough. QPQ is done. Article looks Good to Go. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: I see you had issues confirming the hook. I'm going to work on getting an alternate hook in place for this article as a result; it might require me to find one. Raymie (t • c) 03:40, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
It seems it wasn't at all unusual for radio stations to have their own aircraft to fly around. The article does mention however that "it was the only station in North Dakota to own its own aircraft in 1960", which might make the basis for a viable hook, however I was unable to confirm that fact from the provided source. Gatoclass (talk) 10:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gatoclass: It's the only one in the table—that's the basis for that claim, which I've fashioned into a hook. Raymie (t • c) 17:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that KEYZ was the only broadcast station in North Dakota to own its own aircraft, a Beechcraft Bonanza, in 1960?
Speaking as someone who is not well-versed in this topic, a radio station having or owning an aircraft does sound interesting, regardless on how common it was during that time period. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi @Raymie: I think that ALT1 is more easily confirmed by the sources. ALT2 depends on the assumption that the table in that issue of Broadcasting [2] is accurate and comprehensive, and that the absence from the list of other stations in ND means that that KEYZ was the only station to own one. I think we would be safer just saying that KEYZ owned one, as in ALT1. Even if it was not unusual at the time, I think it's interesting enough now (and when I have pointed out in regard to another hook that a fact noted as unusual actually wasn't at the time, I've been told that the general reader wouldn't know that!). I find that more interesting than the original hook, too, apart from possible verification issues with that.
Reading the article, and ALT1 as it is, I was not at all sure how the station used the plane to cover its area (did they broadcast from it??) Looking at the source, I see that it does summarise the purposes that each station used their plane for. For KEYZ, it was used for news coverage, farm programming, special events, publicity & promotion, sales calls, executive travel, community service such as search & rescue (the summary is on p68 (the table), the explanation of the abbreviations is on pp 52-53). I have no idea what 'farm programming' is, but I wonder if you could add to the article, and then to ALT1, something about using the plane for news coverage and rescue, etc? RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
A lot of stations, especially in rural and agricultural areas like this, would have had programming specifically for farmers: market reports, interviews, etc. Stations even employed farm directors to head up this content. (Not quite as common today, but there are still several state-specific radio networks of agricultural news and information.) I have added a sentence to the article and am going to add this ALT3 for consideration, RebeccaGreen: Raymie (t • c) 18:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT3: that radio station KEYZ in Williston, North Dakota, owned a Beechcraft Bonanza aircraft and used it for news coverage, promotional events, and search and rescue efforts?
Symbol confirmed.svg Approving ALT3. Hook facts are cited and sourced in the article. I have struck the other hooks, ALT0 and ALT2 as hard to prove, and ALT1 as less interesting. Thanks, Raymie! (And agricultural news makes sense to me - I just haven't heard it called 'farm programming' before.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Kathrin Göring

  • ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's extramarital daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, with dramatic intensity? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  • What's an "extramarital daughter"? Do you mean a daughter born out of wedlock? Yoninah (talk) 23:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • sometimes English is really poor, - is there no one-word phrase for the child a man has from a woman who is not his wife? I found it kind of quirky, but it it can't be put elegantly we perhaps drop it and just mention the characters' names? - As the two appear in the same Die Walküre, the singer appeared for the curtain call in her valkyrie outfit, but then was given her goddess fur coat, - can you word that, perhaps? She was Fricka only in Das Rheingold and Waltraute only in Götterdämmerung. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
A single, reasonably neutral word for "born out of wedlock" is illegitimate. You could say "Wotan's wife and illegitimate daughter" and it would be clear. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Learning, thank you!
ALT1: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's illegitimate daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Yes, ALT1 is a better hook. Here is a full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing as sources are foreign-language. However, the hook fact about Wotan doesn't appear in the article, nor the part about Waltraute being illegitimate. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 11:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I tried to make it more interesting for our general public, and a bit quirky, but really would not like to open the can of worms to explain the relationship of operatic characters in singers' articles. There's a roles list in every decent opera article which has such things. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
In this case Die Walküre. Sigh, for Brünnhilde, it says that the mother is Erda, but the mother of the other valkyries is not Fricka. Anyway, this may be too complex to be used.
ALT2a: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and the valkyrie Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I think ALT2 is interesting, especially with that unusual word "valkyries". But again, none of this is mentioned in the article. Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
... because it's the same can of worms. In a article about an actor playing Romeo, would you request an explanation and ref for Juliette being his beloved?
ALT2b: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Fricka and the Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, which appear both in Die Walküre? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt and Yoninah: I have made a few edits to the article (adding short descriptions like 'goddess' and 'valkyrie' before the names of the roles), and a bit of other info too. I'm afraid I'm going to suggest another hook, as I think it is very interesting that not only has Göring sung the Wagner roles, several times, but she has also sung in the first recording of a piece that had been thought lost for many years.
  • ALT3: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring, who has sung the goddess Fricka and the valkyrie Waltraute in Wagner's Ring Cycle, also sang in the first recording of Maderna's Requiem, long believed lost?
That's 192 characters. We could leave out 'mezzo-soprano' or 'goddess' and 'valkyrie' (or alternatively Fricka and Waltraute) to make it a bit shorter. (The Ring Cycle is the most common way of referring to Wagner's work in English - even just The Ring, sometimes.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:29, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for you work and offer. Today's hook has "Ring cycle", tomorrow's the same, - let's not confuse readers. I asked an expert. I'd prefer the full name in this case. I'd rather not drop mezzo-soprano, we need Fricka as there ae many goddesses in the work, and Waltraute, as there are many valkyries, and Waltraute is a major one, with her own scene in Götterdämmerung. What I miss in ALT3 is the cute fact, that both characters appear in Die Walküre. I don't need the Requiem, which doesn't even have an article (yet). If Requiem, say premiere, not first recording. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
OK, if you don't like it, we'll forget it. It wasn't the first performance of the Requiem, just the first German performance - but it was the first recording. I have made some minor tweaks to ALT2b, but it still sounds awkward to me, and I can't think how to make it sound better. I'll try:
ALT2c: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed Fricka and Waltraute, who both appear in Die Walküre, with dramatic intensity in Der Ring in Minden?
I think that is more natural ordering for English - but, the article describes only one role as having 'dramatic intensity': "called her scene warning Brünnhilde in Götterdämmerung a musical highlight with intense dramatic acting", so saying that she portrayed them both with dramatic intensity is not currently supported by the article or the source. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
You are right as always, but can you imagine a singer performing one role with dramatic intensity and the other not. I saw her as Fricka and it was chillingly intense. May find a source but will go out for the day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
And I will go to bed - it's very late. As we both know, personal experience and what we think are not acceptable sources here, so ... if you can find a source, that would be great. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:46, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

Home (Basshunter song)

  • ... that the idea for the 2019 Basshunter's "Home" originated during Powerhouse's yearly song writing camp held in Dubai?

Created by Eurohunter (talk). Self-nominated at 21:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

I may be unavailable in the coming days or week. All applications will be processed as soon as possible. Eurohunter (talk) 21:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article itself is expanded 5x recently and long enough. There's problems with citing, specifically that the source provided for the hook is a Youtube video and not a more reliable source. Also, the Deezer page doesn't actually mention the information that you say it does. Lastly, the hook itself would arguably not be interesting to a broad audience: Linnea Deb isn't especially notable in this context. Feel free to ping me after you give it some more work. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (talk to me) 00:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Ganbaruby: Thank you for fast look at the thing. I would like to say that it's common mistake saying that any YouTube material is not reliable. Cited materials are published by labels/artist itself and there is even verified badge on these channels (otherwise I would provide way to weirfy that account is official). Deezer is only used for release date and labels so which information is not mentioned on Deezer? Linnea Deb is commom Swedish singer and songwritter so I thought it will be enough. Come back to broad audience unfortunatelly even Basshunter may not meet the criteria in some context. Eurohunter (talk) 19:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
      • @Eurohunter: Let me explain myself a little further. The problem with citing is primarily because you used a self published source as the only source for your hook statement. This is a problem because it could violate the second guideline about self-published sources ("does not involve claims about third parties"). The DYK guidelines specifically say to use reliable sources in the hook statement, so it would be preferable if you found a secondary source about the claim. Upon closer inspection I see why you added 5 Deezer citations, so that's ok, even if it's a bit of overkill. My biggest concern is still with the hook itself, however, since it's not particularly hooky. You might want to refer to the DYK guidelines to see how you can come up with a better hook. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (talk to me) 00:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
          • @Ganbaruby: It's very basic fact, we often take credits directly from the release (here you have even direct link to it instead of just raw release citation in template AV media cite). AV media cite is even allowed in featured articles. Eurohunter (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I just took a quick look at the article and I would have to agree that the hook is not interesting to those who are unfamiliar with Swedish music. I also noticed that the grammar needs to be fixed in the article. In any case, the article needs much work before this can be featured on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
As for a new hook, here are some possible suggestion: perhaps more reviews could be found for the single, or perhaps information about the writing and influences used for the song could be found? Try not to limit yourself to a Swedish audience as the hook is supposed to interest readers who may not be familiar with the artist or the genre. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: What do you mean by "writing and influences used for the song"? Eurohunter (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Basically, if more information about how the song was made and what were the influences that the artist had in making the song could be found, that would be really helpful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:45, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: So I have added information about that idea was orginating from during Powerhouse's yearly song writing camp held in Dubai. Eurohunter (talk) 20:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Eurohunter I am not sure exactly what Narutolovehinata5 was thinking of, but I just read the article, and now I wonder what the song is about. The title is Home, yes, but what does the songwriter say about home? We don't need the whole lyrics, but I would like to know more about its ideas, feelings, what it expresses .... Was it relevant that they were away from home when they wrote it? RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
I was asking Eurohunter if there was any information available about the themes and influences that were used in making the song, in the hope that perhaps a hook could have been proposed based on that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Similar to my questions, I think. I think the article would benefit from having that kind of information included, and perhaps a hook could be based on it too. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
@RebeccaGreen: @Narutolovehinata5: Unfortunatelly "The idea for the song originated during Powerhouse's yearly song writing camp held in Dubai" is the only avaiable information right now. Eurohunter (talk) 19:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Ganbaruby and RebeccaGreen: Per the above comment, can this nomination still move forward? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:35, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: Sorry, but in my opinion, that hook still isn't interesting to a broad audience. Many songs are made at writing camps or similar events, and the fact that it was at Dubai isn't particularly special either. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (talk to me) 22:11, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg It appears that no suitable hook can be proposed at this time and no more "hooky" information could be found in sources; as such, the nomination is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Sorry that things didn't turn out the way you hoped, hopefully you will have more success in your future nominations. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
That sounds fine, though I'd like to hear what the others think about it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Feminist: Good proposal, I didn't think about it. Eurohunter (talk) 18:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New review needed to check ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 10[edit]

Green Man, Ashbourne

Green Man inn sign in 2007
Green Man inn sign in 2007
  • ... that the Green Man & Black's Head Royal Hotel has the world's longest inn sign (pictured)? Source: "Overhead can be seen the famous sign of The Green Man and Black's Head, noted in the Guinness Book of Records as the longest inn sign in the world." ([3]) "The Green Man And Black Heads Royal Hotel is not easy to miss, the landmark with its historic Cross Street Gallows and is featured proudly in the Guinness book of records for having the longest inn sign in the world" ([4])

Created by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:28, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Nominated one day after creation, so new enough. Prose if 1.6k slightly exceeds the 1.5k requirement, so long enough. Prose is written in a neutral manner. Every sentence of every paragraph of every section is referenced to a reliable source for the context. Earwig found no copyvio, and I see no close paraphrasing, organizational similarity, or any other copyright issues. Hook is within format parameters, and is interesting to a broad audience. The hook's claims are directly found in the article, and they are directly attributable to the source immediately cited after the claim. QPQ complete. Image is properly licenced, is used within the article, and displays well at small size (although the sign itself gets a little lost.) This small but interesting article is ready for and deserving of main page exposure. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, and found another ref from Historic England that refers to it as a gallows-type sign. I'm wondering if we could add that to the hook. Honestly, the sign does not show up well in the thumbnail image so I was planning to promote it without that. The "gallows" wording will certainly spice it up. Let me know. Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Well, I for one like your suggestion. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 03:36, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes, sounds fine to me. I remember reading about the gallows, I was just a bit concerned about its, well, gallows humour, but if you've found another source, that might not be such an issue. I haven't got back here because I haven't been able to think of an ALT for it. Time to ping @EEng:. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────┘ You do know it's possible to wear out the batteries, right? This is a tough one. How about

ALT1 ... that there's a man in tweeds on a gallows outside the Green Man, Ashbourne?

EEng 23:37, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this checks out, if you combine paragraphs/sources. It's hooky (it's from EEng, how could it be otherwise?) I approved ALT1 also. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your kind and undeserved praise. It's nice to know an old hooker like myself can still be useful. I don't mean to prolong this, but on looking again we might consider:
ALT2 ... that there's a Green Man on a gallows in Ashbourne, Derbyshire?
I mean, the man is not himself literally green, but his tweeds are green, so it's a thought. (I'm not a fan of linking things which distract from the bolded link and which the reader will easily find linked in the article; thus no link on Ashbourne, Derbyshire.) EEng 15:48, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2a: ... that a Green Man in tweeds poses on a gallows in Ashbourne, Derbyshire? Yoninah (talk) 18:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

HKmap.live

Created by Feminist (talk). Self-nominated at 19:09, 10 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Created same day as nomination, so new enough. Article is 5k in length, exceeding the 1.5k requirement. Article presents viewpoints from several angles without taking sides, although it will need to be watched because this is not-distantly related to a hot, sensitive, current issue. Every sentence of every paragraph is referenced to a reliable source for the context presented. Earwig's copyvio check only found direct quotes or long official titles. I find no close paraphrasing, organizational similarities, or other copyvio problems. Both hooks are within format guidelines and interesting to a broad audience. I have a very slight preference with ALT1, but either hook works. Both hooks are directly attributable to content within the article that is directly sourced, and sources directly support the claims presented. Hooks are presented in a neutral manner. QPQ complete. No image to check against. Article is ready for main page exposure. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:53, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but there is close paraphrasing of phrases from The Guardian article:
  • Source: China's state media has accused Apple of endorsing and protecting "rioters"
  • Article: accused Apple of endorsing and protecting "rioters"
  • Source: appears to be China’s latest move to pressure foreign companies to toe the line
  • Article: The Guardian described this condemnation as an attempt by China to pressure foreign companies to toe its line
  • Please rephrase in your own words, or put the copied words in quotes.
  • It's also not clear from the hook that this app is meant to track protests and police presence. I think a hook along those lines would be more hooky than the current wording. Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
How odd, Earwig didn't pick this up when I checked it. Or I plain missed it. Couldn't possibly be user error, nah. There's also the phrase "It also criticised Apple for allowing "Glory to Hong Kong"," which is a direct copy, and needs to be re-done. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 03:43, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
@78.26 and Yoninah: fixed. ALT2: ... that Apple removed HKmap.live, an app tracking protests and police presence in Hong Kong, from its App Store after a People's Daily editorial condemned it for approving the app? feminist (talk) 03:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@Feminist: Thank you! I profusely apologize because I know it's a pain, but there's two minor things that may not cross the originality threshold The first is too close to the New York Times article, the offending phrase being "with the negative public image of capitulating". There's also "Apple’s approval of the app made it an “accomplice” in the protests" from the Guardian, which is a bit harder to re-write but perhaps something can be done. If it makes you feel any better, these articles from different sources copy each other in phraseology far more what what was originally written here. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:38, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2 is rather long and windy. Is there any reason for including the People's Daily reasoning? I think the hook should be shortened and punched up for more effect. Yoninah (talk) 14:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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  • @78.26: I've added quotation marks to the NYT phrase, and paraphrased from the original (Chinese-language) People's Daily article so that I am not reliant on the Guardian's translation. @Yoninah: Yeah, it's quite long, but Apple taking down the app was widely seen as it capitulating to the demands of the PRC. Quoting the cited NYT article, All the firms are balancing the enormous economic opportunity in China, with its 1.4 billion consumers, with the negative public image of capitulating to an authoritarian government. Most sources noted the timing between the People's Daily article and Apple removing the app from the app store, suggesting a causal link between the two. If most sources consider this connection to be important, we probably should as well. feminist (talk) 02:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • You know, I'm reading the article for the first time in order to suggest a new alt, and it seems to me that the page is giving too much weight to the approval and disapproval controversy. The only material written about the app itself is in the lead. It certainly seems in order to add a section about the development and operation of the app.
  • Regarding the new alt, if you tell the whole story in the hook, there's no reason to click on the link. Instead of bringing in The People's Daily, can't you just say that the app has faced criticism for this-and-this reason? Surely this could be written in a hooky way. Yoninah (talk) 21:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately I'm having a hard time finding much information about the app's development in RS. The vast majority of coverage centers on the Apple approval/disapproval controversy (try searching for the topic). Adding a section on operation/functionality etc. is possible, but most sources only mention it in passing within the Apple controversy. I'll try. feminist (talk) 03:07, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Done: I've added a section on the app's development and operation. Unfortunately I was unable to find any non-primary sources for its launch in August 2019. feminist (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. I am comfortable with the copyvio aspects of this, now. I also note that the app almost certainly wouldn't meet notability standards if it weren't for the Apple removal controversy, and therefore independent coverage of the app outside this controversy is nonexistent. Just throwing harebrained ideas around, would a more appropriate title for the article be "HKmap.live removal controversy"? 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:22, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, but now that I've added a section on the app's development and operation, I don't think a page move is necessary.
ALT3: ... that Apple removed HKmap.live, an app tracking protests and police presence in Hong Kong, from its App Store? feminist (talk) 02:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: your thoughts on ALT3? feminist (talk) 18:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Feminist: Yes, ALT3 works. Would you consider adding a timeline, like:
  • ALT3a: ... that Apple removed HKmap.live, an app tracking protests and police presence in Hong Kong, from its App Store less than a week after approving it? Yoninah (talk) 20:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 11[edit]

Elizabeth Fee

Dr. Elizabeth Fee
Dr. Elizabeth Fee

Created by Zeromonk (talk). Self-nominated at 21:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Zeromonk, what is the source for Fee writing about the history of the toothbrush? I see the CUNY article talks about her "popularizing the toothbrush", but not its history per se. Perhaps finding the article and linking to it would help? --Usernameunique (talk) 23:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius and Usernameunique: thanks for that - also mentioned here: https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2019.305065 - Fee’s “chapters cover topics as diverse as diverse as bioterrorism, “sin versus science” in the racialized treatment of syphilis in Baltimore, and popularizing the toothbrush, ever posing the question of whether there is anything to learn from history and speaking to both specialists and a broad public of all ages.” The sentence is a bit clunky but those are all topics in history that she researched and wrote about. Zeromonk (talk) 06:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 12[edit]

The Cedars School

An 18th century Grade II listed building, now occupied by the school.
An 18th century Grade II listed building, now occupied by the school.
  • Comment: Not sure if this is worthy of a DYK nomination but thought I'd give it a go and see. Maybe in the country should be England? Not sure if the image should be used but it is an 18th century Grade II listed building that was acquired by its trust and now occupied by the school. Some history on it in the article.

Created by Steven (Editor) (talk). Self-nominated at 02:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Good job! New and long enough, within policy, Earwid detects no copyvios, no QPQ needed. You do need to specify the country, and be careful about whether it's England or the United Kingdom. You may want to explicitly state in the article that the school is not directly run by Opus Dei as this source states; though the current wording is correct, it's easy to miss that nuance. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 08:00, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
    • Hi Antony-22, thanks for reviewing this. The first source says "in Britain" and the second one says "in the country" - both sources cover the UK and worldwide. I can't find any other senior schools that have the same ethos in the other constituent countries. Yeah I was debating with myself if I should add that but for some reason ended up not adding it - I wonder if it's because I added the trust to the Oversight parameter of the infobox, ah I don't know. Anyway, you're right and I've added it to the article -thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:12, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
  •  Comment: There's no way the hook can run without specifying WHICH COUNTRY! For heaven's sake. Johnbod (talk) 22:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
    Johnbod, your comment doesn't help, of course it can't run without specifying which country! I'm still looking but I'm heading more towards England which is where the school is located in... Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage

5x expanded by DBigXray (talk). Self-nominated at 11:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @DBigXray: If the AfD closes, this will be very close to ready. The expansion is large enough and new enough, and a QPQ is present. I advise against ALT1 because the topic isn't very well known outside India. The Firstpost source for the hook is OK and backs the hook claims but a bit thin of an article. I have done some copyediting myself. The following is a list of specific article issues that need resolution:
  • There is a [better source needed] (lede paragraph 3) and a [clarification needed] ("Charts", sentence 1) in this article.
  • The sentence beginning "The music producer is" lacks an inline citation, which is needed as it is the last sentence of the paragraph.
Credit to you, this is a very good revamp, but the AfD must close "keep" for this to be worthy of consideration. Raymie (t • c) 03:57, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT0 goes against the WP:DYKHOOK rule of "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way.". For ALT1; Kapoor was clean shaven in at least the 2010 film Milenge Milenge; pics here. We cant have false facts as hook.
Why don't you suggest a hook on how the song is among the most viewed Youtube video? Oh wait; that's false too.
Then why dont you make a hook on how its been on charts? Oh wait; those aren't credible enough to back with WP:RS and WP:CHARTS.
Why dont you just give opinion like lets say xyz non-notable blogwriter considers the songs to very notable? Wait again; that's not what hooks are for. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • This song isn't about Shahid Kapoor it is about Kabir Singh. The hook sounds like Kapoor literally turned alcoholic and broke up with his wife. In the article it says "Shahid Kapoor is shown as trying to move on in his life but he was unable to forget the memories of his love Preeti" we should not mention his name rather change it to his stage name Kabir. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 19:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The concerns above make me very worried indeed. (If it doesn't show, this isn't my topic area.) They call into question the suitability of ALT0 and the accuracy of ALT1 (and its source). @Dharmadhyaksha and CAPTAIN MEDUSA: is there more information that might be useful to me, or any suggestions to be made of the nominator? Raymie (t • c) 22:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • There are multiple issues with this article including The song was reported as topping the music charts in July 2019 and was one of the top ten viewed songs of the world on YouTube. however the source says the song got 20 million views within 24 hours. Kiara Advani plays the role of Preeti or Preety. The second paragraph on Music Video says Kiara Advani who played the role of Preety, Kabir's love interest then later in the sentence it says after getting separated from Preeti. The article title is not in italic however name in the article is italic but infobox is not.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The AFD has now closed as keep. @Dharmadhyaksha: can you propose a new hook since ALT0 has BLP issues and ALT1's accuracy has come into doubt? Raymie (t • c) 17:37, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Also pinging the original nominator DBigXray. Raymie (t • c) 21:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I suggest you familiarize yourself with the DYK process before !voting "oppose" or "strong oppose" on yet another DYK nomination. Dee03 15:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Dee03, may-be the volume of my net contributions (which is about five times that of your's) or my net contributions in DYK-space or a comparison of our number of GAs, will let you know about my familiarity? Or, may-be, you need to know about how fly-by people express their discontent over this domain, when they are not the primary reviewer? That being said, I admire your battleground-attitude. Ta, ∯WBGconverse 15:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have no interest in comparing my contributions with you. I have a life outside Wikipedia, a busy one at that. I suggest you strike off the "battleground attitude" remark unless you explain how I displayed "battleground attitude". Dee03 15:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Figures. Dee03 15:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg In a bid to get this nomination back in line and because a quality hook seems to be the missing ingredient, I'm proposing an ALT2 and asking for a real, serious DYK review. I would also like to ask DBigXray about something I noticed: the "Reception" quotes from India Today and The Statesman are awfully close to each other (offbeat, sad-romantic). What's going on there? Raymie (t • c) 17:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that while critics praised Arijit Singh's voice in "Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage", the song's lyrics received a mixed reaction? Raymie (t • c) 17:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
IMHO both "offbeat" and "sad romantic" are over used cliche words in Indian media. both are seperate media houses and I would consider it a coincidence. Thanks for the ALT, I had been busy with the AfD, followed by Diwali celebration. DBigXrayᗙ 17:57, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: Happy Diwali! To incorporate this into one discussion, Xray had DiplomatTesterMan suggest some alternate hooks, which I've reproduced here with light copyediting (numbers changed to accommodate my ALT2):
I'm not a fan of ALT4 as the name is not familiar to people outside of India (myself included). ALT3/3a isn't bad, and neither is ALT5. ALT6 seems subjective in the "did well" and has an odd pairing, but the News18 source reveals an ALT7 I really like and that won't have fictional universe problems: Raymie (t • c) 18:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes, in terms of the fictional universe problem, ALT 7 is one of the cleanest. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:29, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A full review is still needed here as it has been several weeks since the last comments. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi @DBigXray: I am just starting to read this article, and I am a bit confused. I will admit that I am not familiar with articles about chart-topping songs, so I may just be missing something, or misunderstanding. What confuses me is that the first para in the 'Music video' section says "The music video was released on 19 June 2019 by T-Series on YouTube, receiving 20 million views on the same day. It has been viewed more than 59 million times since the day of its release." The references are Youtube (which now shows 71,105,330 views), and Gaana.com and a Times of India article [7] (neither of which have any info about the number of views that I can see).
Then the last sentence in the 'Charts' section says "on the T-Series YouTube channel, the song had been streamed 96 million times within the first month of the film's release". The source for that sentence does have that number.
I realise that the verb is different - 'view' in the first instance, and 'stream' in the second. But is this really saying that the music video was streamed 96 million times by July 22 this year (the date of that source), but only viewed "more than 59 million times" (or more than 71 million to today's date)? That suggests that somehow Youtube can tell if the people streaming the video are actually watching it!
Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding because I don't understand this technological language, but I would like to be clear about whether the number in ALT7 is supported by the article and sources, since that seems the preferred hook - although perhaps some of the other ALTs are also acceptable - I will also look at them. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 13[edit]

Tell Qudadi

  • ... that a recent study showed that the ruins of Tell Qudadi in Tel Aviv, which was believed to have been an Israelite fortress razed by the Assyrians some 2700 years ago, was actually built by the Assyrians themselves?
    • ALT1:... that almost 20 years before it was discovered as the site of a 2700-year-old fortress, the ancient site of Tell Qudadi in Tel Aviv was a military stronghold during the battles between the Ottoman and the British during World War I?
    • ATL2:... that a recent study showed the ruins of Tell Qudadi in Tel Aviv, once believed to be an Israelite fortress razed by the Assyrians was actually an Assyrian fortress built 2,700 years ago?
    • ATL3:... that the site of a 2,700 year old fortress in Tel Aviv was used as a military stronghold during World War I, nearly 20 years prior to its discovery?

5x expanded by Bolter21 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Both the hooks are too long, 200 characters are allowed and they are 215 and 230 characters long. Also, although the article is well referenced, DYK demands a citation for any hook fact at the end of the sentence involved, not just at the end of the paragraph. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Alright, I've created two new hooks and now I personally prefer ATL3. Can you please explain again what exactly do you wish I'll do with the citation? I can provide a citation for the hook, but I understood from what you wrote that you want to me cite the specific sentence in the article, which I don't remember being an obligation for DYK, so I am confused.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:01, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Bolter21: each hook fact has to be supported by an inline cite in the article. Please make sure there is a citation at the end of each of the sentences supporting these hook facts for ALT3:
  1. It is a 2,700-year-old fortress
  2. It is in Tel Aviv
  3. It was used as a military stronghold during WWI nearly 20 years before its discovery
  • Well, there are sources for these, it is just that facts are written slightly different in the article. Not a single paragraph stands without an inline cite, with the exception of the lead section which contains information that already appears in the rest of the article. It is indeed a 2,700-year-old fortress since it was erected in the 8th century BCE and it is in Tel Aviv, I literally stood on the ruins a week ago. It is most supported simply by the title of one of the citations: "Archaeologists Solve Mystery of 2,700-year-old Fortress in Tel Aviv". As for the third point you raised, it is written in the same source: "Although the Turkish army actually used the ancient mound as a stronghold against Allied forces in 1917, the site was only recognized as an antiquities site in 1934, when the remains of the fort were discovered by J. Ory of the Department of Antiquities of the Mandatory Government of Palestine." Which means, there is a gap of 17 years before a military stronghold was discovered as a 2,600-year-old military stronghold (adjusted that same time period).
Shall I rephrase the article to match the hook? I'll be honest with you I've made several DYKs in the past and maybe it is my English but I really fail to see the problem here.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 07:31, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
What Yoninah is trying to say is that the sentences in the article that mention the facts used in the hook(s) must have at least one inline citation after that sentence. For the purposes of DYK, it is not sufficient even if the footnote supporting the fact is located elsewhere in the paragraph or at its end; for DYK purpose, the actual sentence is required to have the inline citation (i.e. the footnote). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:00, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
What I am trying to say is that there is a footnote for each of the sentences.-Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Der Ring in Minden

  • Reviewed: Grigory Grigoryevich Skornyakov-Pisarev
  • Comment: I'm not done with the article, but have to nominate the Minden Miracle which was named "possibly where you experience Wagner best" and other such praise.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is suitably licensed, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Kindly copy the discussion here, or at least the hooks from the discusions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Btw, the ping didn't work, but I check my watchlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Also, when you say "to prep", do you mean "from prep"? And did you return it to the nom page, for people to se it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
WT:DYK discussion
@Gerda Arendt:@Cwmhiraeth:@Gatoclass:
On the face of it, this is not interesting to me or a broad readership. I see that the piped link at the end was changed from "a symphony orchestra" for some reason. I think this hook needs rewording to explain why this is so unique. Yoninah (talk) 21:07, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how to say it short. It's unique that it is a symphony orchestra, an orchestra which doesn't usually perform opera. The link should not have been changed, - the name of the orchestra is too long, imho, also wouldn't tell the reader the difference. What else is not interesting: that the singers play in front? where you see face expression, and understand every word, while they usually play behind a large orchestra, far away, and you need subtitles to know what they sing? Better wording always welcome, but it's highly unusual, even unique until others will imitate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes. Like:
ALT1: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, a project to present Wagner's Ring Cycle on a small stage, the singers performed in front of, rather than behind, the symphony orchestra? Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the offer, but it needs change to reflect that "rather than behind" is sort of wrong, because usually the orchestra is placed in the orchestra pit, not visible to the audience sitting on the same level (only from the balconies), but yes, usually there's a big distance between the first row of the audience and the stage. Can we focus on the orchestra on stage? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Of course we could simply say that critics praise the Minden miracle (das Wunder von Minden) and similar phrases, but I tried factually to say what makes this miracle. One critic summarizes: "Minden in Ostwestfalen hat das Unmögliche möglich gemacht und auf einer minimalen Bühne in einer hochkarätigen Besetzung einen Ring auf die Bühne gestellt, der den Vergleich mit den großen Bühnen des Landes keineswegs zu scheuen braucht." (Minden in Ostwestfalen has made the impossible possible and put a ring on stage with a top-class cast on a minimal stage that doesn't have to shy away from comparison with the big stages of the country. - machine translation) - Would "made the impossible possible" be useful for a hook? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Taking a look at the article, I think there's potential for a hook based on the part that goes The singers acted in front of the orchestra, making an intimate approach to the dramatic situations possible.; however, that part only seems to be mentioned in the lede; if that could be elaborated on in the "Stage and team" section (with a reference), I think that would make for a good hook. Another possibility would be to elaborate on Yoninah's point about the singers performing in front of the orchestra; apparently it was because of how small the stage was for a Wagner operatic production. Perhaps a hook based on that could work, meaning a hook that goes something like "the singers performed in front of the orchestra because the stage was too small compared to typical Wagner performances"? Having been to a number of plays myself though, I'm not sure how common such an arrangement is, as I've been to a number of plays where the orchestra is also behind or below the performers. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the offers. The lead sentence is a summary of things later, and the psychology thing has been said in the hook for the director, so would be a repetition. - We can't say the stage is too small, because it's the orchestra pit which, as the FAZ critic remarked, is too small to hold a Baroque orchestra (so it was covered, extending the stage). I think we have too little room in the hook to say what is not, - better say what is. I haven't seen all singers in front of the orchestra in my life until I went to Minden, first in 2012. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

The reason I changed the hook from "a symphony orchestra" to "the orchestra" was because I assumed the unusual or "hooky" part was intended to be that the singers performed in front of the orchestra, which is a pretty unusual arrangement (certainly, I've never seen it), and the phrase "a symphony orchestra" detracted from that because it suggested that it's unusual for opera singers to perform with a symphony orchestra. So far as I was aware, opera is always performed with a symphony orchestra - but perhaps that is not the case? Regardless, it wasn't the least bit hooky for anybody who isn't aware of that particular piece of esoterica.

If it's both unusual for opera singers to perform in front of the orchestra, and to perform with a full symphony orchestra, then I think the hook would need a tweak to emphasize those points, but as that would probably prove difficult, then something along the lines of the ALTS suggested above should be adopted. Gatoclass (talk) 04:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I note that our own article on pit orchestras states that operas usually are backed with full size, ie symphony orchestras anyway, which is what I thought. Gatoclass (talk) 04:31, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I see your point, and yes, it's unusual for any orchestra to be on stage, and behind the singers. What kind of orchestra is performing opera depends mostly on what kind of opera it is, chamber opera with a chamber orchestra, Baroque opera often with an orchestra dedicated to historically informed performance, etc. I don't know how to say in a short way that an additional unusual thing about this project is that it was not an orchestra dedicated to opera, such as an orchestra from an opera house, but one dedicated to playing symphony concert, - "symphony orchestra" not only meaning their size but their program. Could I clarify? I also see ERRORS coming saying that piping orchestra to a specific one is an easter egg. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
I found the hook a draw, thinking "Isn't that just a concert staging?" [8]. I went off to read the article, which explains clearly. I would recommend leaving it as "orchestra". William Avery (talk) 10:34, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Would you have a way to stress that the acting on two levels (spiral staircase) with intense psychological detail was about the opposite of a concert performance? I just don't have the words in English and would need help. The stage was designed by someone who set the same works - which Wagner hated to be called operas - at the Bayreuth Festival, but he will have his hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

As for both questions, the answer is yes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:35, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, the problem to present Wagner's Ring Cycle on a small stage (theatre pictured) was solved by placing the orchestra in the back of the stage, behind the action? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
I think ALT2 has a lot of potential, but it may still need to be reworded a bit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:00, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, the drama of Wagner's Ring Cycle was played close to the audience, with the orchestra visible at the back of the stage (theatre pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I think we should emphasize that usually, the orchestra plays at the front, rather than at the back. ALT2 was a good start. How about this?
ALT4: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, Wagner's Ring Cycle was able to be played on a small stage (theatre pictured) [because/after] the orchestra was moved to the back of the stage rather than at the front?
Either "because" or "after" works here. Of course, ALT4 needs to be cleaned up as well. I will leave more comments when I'm off work. epicgenius (talk) 21:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Please compare the colllapsed discussion. "at the front" is sort of wrong, because usually the ochestra is in the pit, not visible at all to most in the the audience (only to those on balconies). I don't think it needs emphasis. Readers either know that, or won't care. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. Try this then? epicgenius (talk) 21:44, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, Wagner's Ring Cycle was able to be played on a small stage (theatre pictured) only because the orchestra was at the back of the stage?
Better, but I still think "drama" and "close to the audience" carry more meaning than orchestra position. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: OK. I'll try to come up with a few more hook suggestions, but if there's no consensus on the hook, then I'm afraid this nomination may have to be failed. epicgenius (talk) 22:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Did you know normally doesn't work by consensus, - instead: one reviewer approves a hook. You could approve ALT3, for example. I actually won't mind more time for this nom, because there are still red links I'd like to fill before this appears, and have concert weekend so no time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
My apologies, I meant "consensus" as in agreement, i.e. you and the reviewer have to agree on the hook. I'll be out for the weekend as well, so I won't be able to personally review/approve this, but could suggest some other hooks later. epicgenius (talk) 22:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
How about:
ALT6: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, a project to present Wagner's Ring Cycle in a limited space, the singers and a full-fledged symphony orchestra were together on the stage of the theater (pictured)? or
ALT7: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, a project to present Wagner's Ring Cycle in a limited space, the singers fronted a full-fledged symphony orchestra on the stage of the theater (pictured)?
Jmar67 (talk) 06:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't think ALT6 or ALT7 could work as pictured hooks as the proposals are describing the stage, but the picture actually shows the building. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:34, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I try something new, let them find out Wagner and Minden in the article, "full-fledged" is not what we need (it's rather symphony vs. opera), also it should be "theatre" for a European topic:
ALT8: ... that in Der Ring in Minden (theatre pictured), the orchestra played at the back of the stage and was often visible?
ALT9: ... that in Der Ring in Minden (theatre pictured), the orchestra played on stage, visible for the march after Siegfried's death which a critic described as a symphonic poem on violence?
ALT10: ... that in Der Ring in Minden (theatre pictured), the orchestra played at the back of the stage, and in the end all singers turned towards it to listen to the music?
Music had the last word! Rebecca? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I've just seen this - I will think about it and get back to you :-) RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I like ALT10, haven't checked it though. Yoninah (talk) 19:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I added a ref to the fact (Molke 2018), saying "Die Toten erheben sich und richten ihren Blick auf das Orchester, während der trennende Gaze-Vorhang, der das Orchester von den Solisten trennt, in den Schnürboden emporgezogen wird. Doch bei dem intensiven Spiel der Nordwestdeutschen Philharmonie unter der Leitung von Frank Beermann versinkt man in den Klängen der Musik, ohne groß über diese Idee nachdenken zu können." (machine translation: The dead rise and look up at the orchestra, while the separating gauze curtain that separates the orchestra from the soloists is pulled up into the drawing floor. But during the intensive playing of the Nordwestdeutsche Philharmonie under the direction of Frank Beermann, one sinks into the sounds of the music without being able to think much about this idea.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg There hasn't been any activity in this nomination is weeks; a new review is requested to choose among the above proposed hooks, and to see if any remaining issues have been addressed. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 15[edit]

A Stanislaw Lem Reader

  • ... that A Stanislaw Lem Reader contains interviews with, an essay about and an essay by Stanisław Lem, one of the most widely read science fiction writers in the world? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Staszek Lem (talk) and Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 09:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 16[edit]

Sara Wesslin

  • ... that Sara Wesslin, recently selected by the BBC to their list of 100 "inspiring and influential" women for 2019, is one of only two journalists in the world broadcasting in Skolt Saami? Source: "The 28-year-old broadcasts across radio and television in Skolt Sami, and is one of only two journalists in the world doing so — that she knows of. (The other is Wesslin's colleague at Yle, Erkki Gauriloff.)"[9]

Created by Ipigott (talk). Nominated by Yupik (talk) at 10:21, 23 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Yupik, review follows: article created 16 October; article is currently short of minimum length (I make it 1186 characters when the direct quotes are taken out); article is well written; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't notice any issues with overly close paraphrasing from the sources cited; hook is interesting, mentioned in article and backed up by the BBC and Post Gazette sources; nominator has only 3 DYKs and is exempt from QPQ requirement. If the article is expanded above 1,500 characters of text let me know and I will come back to complete this review, all the best - Dumelow (talk) 21:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Dumelow: Thanks, I forgot about the minimum length since I haven't had to take it into account before. I'll try to get it up over the minimum limit and get back to you about it. -Yupik (talk) 23:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
It has been 20 days since the above, and the article is at 1443 prose characters, about 20% of it quotes. I hope an expansion is forthcoming soon to get the article above the DYK minimum requirement. (I've pinged Yupik's talk page.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:36, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 18[edit]

Boxwood Altar (WB.232), Adam Dircksz

Boxwood altarpiece, 1511
Boxwood altarpiece, 1511

Created by Ceoil (talk). Self-nominated at 02:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg These two articles are new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the articles are neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. @Ceoil: There is an incomplete sentence in the "Triptychs" section of Boxwood Altar (WB.232) and you need to do two QPQs. Would you like to add an image to the nomination, the detailed sculpture is amazing? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Cwmhiraeth: have added the image (yes it is amazing)...will copy-edit further and complete the QPQ's. Thanks. Ceoil (talk) 22:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
QPQs and copyedits done, but thinking of adding a third article. Will add an ALT hook. Ceoil (talk) 19:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Ceoil, you did not add the article and the final date for doing so would have been November 2. It being November 14, it is unfortunately far too late to add it now, and a 5x expansion would be prohibitive. Perhaps it could eventually become a GA and be nominated that way. Cwmhiraeth, is this nomination ready for approval, or is there more work to be done? BlueMoonset (talk) 22:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg These two articles meet the DYK criteria, the image is appropriately licensed. This would be good to go, but neither of the two QPQs you mention above is a proper review, both are just passing comments. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:10, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Ok will sort out. Ceoil (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 19[edit]

Concentration of land ownership

  • ... that concentration of land ownership is correlated with various negative outcomes, including illiteracy and deforestation? Source: "Larger inequality in income and land distribution has been associated to higher deforestation rates in 48 developing countries" Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences; "In El Salvador and Guatemala, large landowners depended on a repressive labour regime to remain economically viable, ... in Colombia and Costa Rica, which are characterised by small-scale landholdings ... the coffee boom led to the emergence of a smallholder coffee economy. Because of these distinct reactions to the boom, literacy rates, as well as other indicators of socio-economic development, have differed sharply between the two sets of countries since the late 19th century." Scottish Land Commission

Created by Fiamh (talk). Self-nominated at 10:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

  • "Drive-by" comment(s): clearly a topic of overwhelming significance; also perhaps somewhat political with studies likely highly motivated to deliver outcomes in line with views and objectives of participants; apparently per Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines D7 there is an expectation of a reasonable degree of completeness. With such a topic, we are not there yet. Any approval would thus have to be IAR-based, say to align with the DYK objective of attracting new editors to a particular article; ALT2 is least problematic on these grounds. Latifundia and Equal-field system may be relevant. If, per the article, excess land fragmentation may likewise have negative outcomes (cf the Spartans with partitive heredity rather than primogeniture per Oliva etc), also need to be wary of tautology re optimum land parcel size, which is how much by the way? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 06:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • What is "complete?" We don't, and shouldn't, require DYK articles to meet GA standards. I'm not sure why you object to the original hook. It's a correlation, in both cases based on publicly available data. The article might seem unbalanced but I was just not able to find much of anything arguing that land concentration is good; it's criticized from the left to the right. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 10:05, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
per Gardini 2012 (sorry, link blocked when I tried to post), access to land in southwestern Togo (one of the countries in the footnoted study used in the first link above) may not solely follow the not necessarily applicable dichotomy between communal and individual "ownership", and local land transactions can take place that aren't necessarily reflected on high in cadastral records maintained by central bureaucracies; I wonder how that was adjusted for in the authors' sums; perhaps there could be more granularity when comparing Trinidad with Brazil? apparently the US has a high landgini, if that's the thing to rub; over and out, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Maculosae tegmine lyncis, I assume you mean "Land Transactions and Chieftaincies in Southwestern Togo"? Land tenure is often complicated and records are not always complete. But we're not the ones who are qualified to weigh these nuances (would require a mountain of OR); the academics who did the study are better placed to do that.
The Hoover institute fellow was discussing the land ownership system in the nineteenth century, not today. As noted in the article, land concentration can change dramatically over time—in either direction—and there's no more frontier to hand out to homesteaders. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 19:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 20[edit]

Missouri v. Frye

  • ... that in Missouri v. Frye the Supreme Court of the United States ruled defense attorneys have to communicate plea bargains to their clients? Source: "As a general rule, defense counsel has the duty to communicate formal prosecution offers to accept a plea on terms and conditions that may be favorable to the accused." Source
    • ALT1:... that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled defense attorneys "have the duty to communicate" plea bargain offers to their clients?

Created by Frood (talk). Self-nominated at 00:46, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg @Frood: There are some citation issues. Every paragraph should end with an inline citation, and every sentence preceding the last in a paragraph should have one as necessary. The actual hook (the holding of the court) does not actually appear in the Ruling section of the article. The biggest issue is that there is not a proper inline citation for the hook in the article. Bluebook citation is used, but it must have a pincite (i.e. the specific page in the opinion). AGF that no qpq is required. Ergo Sum 02:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

  • @Frood: Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Frood: Please return this to the nomination if you still wish to pursue it; it may be marked for closure if there is no response from you within a reasonable time frame. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: sorry, I'll fix it in the next few days. Just started a new job, haven't had as much time lately. – Frood (talk) 20:04, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

Gott ist gegenwärtig

1878 print from a Philadelphia hymnal
1878 print from a Philadelphia hymnal
  • Reviewed: Epiricania melanoleuca 2nd article
  • Comment: Sorry, I'm a day late. - The hook is first of a all a translation (would be "God is present").

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC).

Chad Wolf

Chad F. Wolf in 2017
Chad F. Wolf in 2017
  • ... that Chad Wolf (pictured) stated that, as DHS Chief of Staff during the Trump family separation policy, his function was to provide information to the Secretary and not to determine whether it was the right or wrong policy? Source: [11]

Converted from a redirect by Antony-22 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Overall, looks good -- relatively minor issues below (plus QPQ needed). QuakerSquirrel (talk) 18:03, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Issues
  • QPQ still needed
  • Copyvio suggests first paragraph under "Education & Early Career" section is someone else's wording. Revise to fix this issue.
  • Should have citations in the first & second paragraph before Table of Contents.
  • Good aspects
  • Article increased 5x on Oct 21 & submitted for review Oct 27, meeting "new" definition at time of submission.
  • Photo from Commons
  • Hook of general interest.
  • Hook supported by info in the Chad Wolf page & by the citation.
  • Article tone is neutral.

@QuakerSquirrel: Thanks for the review. The QPQ has been provided. Lead sections generally do not require citations as they repeat statements elsewhere in the article, per MOS:LEADCITE. Could you tell me specifically what part of that paragraph you want to be reworded? Earwig is only showing quotes and job titles that match. Also, I have a reworded hook that is more up to date and have updated the photo. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 23:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Morstede

Created by ChocolateOrange1 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:32, 31 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: Welcome to DYK, ChocolateOrange1! One of the rules for DYK hooks is that the fact has to be mentioned and cited in the article, so another hook will have to be proposed. For example, you could write a hook about his manuscript or about how he treated three kings. You can propose alternate hooks by putting ALT# in front of them, like this:
Hope this helps :) Note to reviewers: This article is 10 days old, but it's the first article the user has written, so I think we can WP:IAR. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 18:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
SpicyMilkBoy Thank you for pointing this out to me! I have changed my entry accordingly.ChocolateOrange1 (talk) 01:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks - I shouldn't review this one because I'm involved, but someone will come along soon to review it. :) SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 09:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Solid article, on good sources, subscription sources accepted AGF (assuming good faith). I am lenient about the few days late. In the article, please avoid paragraphs of only one sentence, and have a reference at the end of each paragraph. Did you know that you can give a ref a name, typing "ref name="XYZ" instead of "ref", and then (once defined) you can call it by name, "ref name="XYZ /"? You don't need any reference in the lead (introduction) as long as it's a summary of things referenced in the body. I think we should say "of England" in the hook, as we had kings named Henry in Germany also, for example. Please word an alternative (ALT2:) below. Nice to meet you, ChocolateOrange1! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Thank you for your feedback! I have changed my entry to include "of England" now! ChocolateOrange1 (talk) 10:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Next time, please don't change what you worded before, because the conversation is hard to understand then. But fine for this time. Just two facts still need a citation, one of them his burial. Do you have this nomination on your watchlist, or should I ping you each time, ChocolateOrange1? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
The burial is noted in the ODNB entry already used as a reference in the article, so I've repeated that reference. Richard Nevell (talk) 10:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt I have this nomination on my watchlist so don't worry about pinging me each time:) Richard Nevell has kindly added the reference for the burial. Which was the other fact which still needs a citation? ChocolateOrange1 (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the Career section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
ChocolateOrange1 Just pinging to make sure you've seen this. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 07:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, SpicyMilkBoy. I have seen this but just been quite busy at the moment. I will make sure to add a citation into the second paragraph of the Career Section within the next couple of days :) ChocolateOrange1 (talk) 13:48, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 22[edit]

Carla (singer)

  • ... that Carla's coach at the Voice Kids France did not want her to release an album?
    • ALT1:... that Carla's fans were disappointed with her choice to cover Disney songs?

Created/expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Red XN - Still needed.
Overall: Symbol question.svg feminist (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Richard Nixon's visit to the Lincoln Memorial

  • Comment: So many great hooks here, the valet, corned beef hash, the signed bible, Rachmaninoff, but I've kept it simple.

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment:As written, also quotes from Dickerson, McNichol and Haldeman, all from the magazine article. Also, the exchange with Dickerson and her later comment on it had nothing to do with the visit. David notMD (talk) 05:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The copyright violation concerns will need to be addressed before the nomination can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that the quoting has been reduced, though that review should check to be sure the level is appropriate and also that the paraphrasing is not too close. (I just made some edits to deal with some overly close paraphrasing of quotes.) Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:58, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 27[edit]

Totentanz (Distler)

Part of Lübecker Totentanz
Part of Lübecker Totentanz
  • ... that the 1934 choral composition Totentanz (Danse Macabre) by Hugo Distler was inspired by the medieval Lübecker Totentanz (partly pictured)? Source: [12]
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: The composer wrote it for Totensonntag, this year 24 November.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article was new enough at time of nomination, however, Xtools gives me 1354 characters, so it's not quite long enough. I would ideally like to see more sources as well, as one source is inaccessible to me and one source only mentions the piece in passing. Obviously also still needs QPQ. The image is fine and nice addition, and I like the hook. However, I would make clear that 'Lübecker Totentanz' refers to a painting. Achaea (talk) 21:47, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the 1934 choral composition Totentanz (Danse Macabre) by Hugo Distler was inspired by the medieval painting Lübecker Totentanz (partly pictured)?
Thank you for looking, and yes, I'll expand further. (Just returned from vacation.) ALT1 is fine if the pic is not taken, but otherwise something people can see. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the 1934 choral composition Totentanz (Danse Macabre) by Hugo Distler combines motets with spoken dialogue between Death and victims, and recorder solo music?
I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Still Feel, Achaea. Lübecker Totentanz was both the title of a paintng and of the poem which became part of the lyrics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

WUOT

  • Reviewed: Colleen Barrett
  • Comment: DYKcheck will not flag this as a 5x expansion because a prior revision had a list of local hosts that it flagged as prose. This is a 5x expansion with that section ignored, and from the revision prior to my expansion.

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 22:59, 27 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 28[edit]

Satyaprakash

  • ... that an article published by Gujarati social reformer Karsandas Mulji in his weekly Satyaprakash resulted into the infamous Maharaj Libel Case which he ultimately won? Source Shukla, Jaykumar R. (October 2018) [1992]. "કરસનદાસ મૂળજી" Karsandas Mulji. In Thaker, Dhirubhai (ed.). Gujarati Vishwakosh (in Gujarati). IV (Reprint of 2nd ed.). Ahmedabad: Gujarat Viswakosh Trust. p. 266. ISBN 978-93-83975-34-1.
    • ALT1:... that Satyaprakash, the weekly started by Gujarati social reformer Karsandas Mulji, addressed issues of female education, excessive spending in pompous marriages, female chest beating after death and singing of indecent songs in marriage? Shukla, Jaykumar R. (October 2018) [1992]. "કરસનદાસ મૂળજી" Karsandas Mulji. In Thaker, Dhirubhai (ed.). Gujarati Vishwakosh (in Gujarati). IV (Reprint of 2nd ed.). Ahmedabad: Gujarat Viswakosh Trust. p. 266. ISBN 978-93-83975-34-1.
  • Reviewed: No, inexperienced. Only 2nd nomination

Created by Harshil169 (talk), Nizil Shah (talk), and Gazal world (talk). Nominated by Harshil169 (talk) at 06:43, 31 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The two hooks have potential but need work. ALT1 is simply too long and needs to be made more concise. ALT0 lacks context for those who live outside India, as the libel case doesn't seem to be well-known outside of that country. And I'm not sure if the word "infamous" should be in the hook per WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: can you fix this? I’m clueless here. — Harshil want to talk? 02:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Removed Maharaj Libel Case which does not qualify for DYK. Other fixes are coming soon. -Nizil (talk) 05:05, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Harshil169 and Narutolovehinata5: New hook. ALT2: ... that an article criticising Hindu religious leader published in Satyaprakash resulted in a libel case against social reformer Karsandas Mulji?
ALT2a: ... that an article criticising Hindu religious leader published in Satyaprakash resulted in a libel case?
I have proposed ALT2 and shorter ALT2a. Please review them. -Nizil (talk) 05:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: I think words like sexual relations and Vaishnav are vital here.— Harshil want to talk? 07:58, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Harshil169: Sexual is not in the article and Vaishnava would not be understood by non-Indian readers so the current hook is better IMO. -Nizil (talk) 14:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT2 & ALT2a are OK. --Gazal world (talk) 11:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 29[edit]

En blanc et noir

Manuscript of the beginning of En blanc et noir
Manuscript of the beginning of En blanc et noir
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Sorry, we are a bit late, again. I wanted to expand this on 31 October, because of the Luther quote. Chuckstreet added some on 29 October, which brought us to a 5* expansion that day, - and no way I could multiply that 5*. I kow that the image shows no detail, but - being black and white - is a cute illustration to a title that translates to "In black and white". Please no later than 30 November, would be good on any of the remembrance days, such as 17 November. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Chuckstreet (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • The date of composition is 1915 not 2015. Also translation is "In White and Black", referring to piano keys and emphasis in the different movements (1st mvt is white, 2nd black, 3rd both: thus grey), not "In Black and White" which has a different (monochromatic) meaning. It's shortened from the original full title "Caprices in White and Black". Chuckstreet (talk) 21:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, fixed the year, sorry about that. The other was also wrong, but doesn't matter too much as not in the hook, - you are right there as well. More expansion would be possible, and plenty of sources there, but I was just told that another article is too short. Feel free ... - Help with French quotations would also be nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed now, Template:Did you know nominations/Susie Owens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Adil Bouafif

Adil Bouafif, 2012
Adil Bouafif, 2012

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self-nominated at 18:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This is more of a comment than a review, but I'm not really sure about either hook. ALT0 borders on being a BLP violation, while ALT1 is not an eye-catchy hook at first (it's interesting, but only after reading it after a while and understanding what it means, and that might not be the case for the typical Main Page reader). Perhaps additional hooks could be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Added one.BabbaQ (talk) 07:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 30[edit]

Nocturnes (Debussy)

  • ... that the third of three Nocturnes for orchestra by Claude Debussy requires a women's chorus singing like sirens, without words? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

5x expanded by Chuckstreet (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 31[edit]

Melody (Spanish singer)

Melody in 2015
Melody in 2015
  • ... that Melody was rumoured to be dead?
    • ALT1:... that due to Melody's three-year disappearance from the public eye, she was rumoured to be dead?

5x expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 13:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I started to review the article and realized that it's not at all finished. There is a lot of hidden text. Please let me know when it's ready for review. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Wilhelm Keitel

Keitel as Chief of the Armed Forces High Command
Keitel as Chief of the Armed Forces High Command
  • Reviewed: Yevgeny Bushmin
  • Comment: Changed username. Sources in article. The first hook is probably better if the image is used.

Improved to Good Article status by K.e.coffman (talk). Nominated by Fiamh (talk) at 03:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC).

  • @Fiamh: Before I pass this nomination, can you explain what "Changed username" means? --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Fiamh and K.e.coffman: This source indicates that the way the sentence is written in the article is not precise enough. See de:Lakai. His surname does not translate into 'lackey' and "Lakatiel" does not translate into 'lackey' as the hook indicates. It is more accurate to say the nickname ("Lakatiel") is an amalgamation of his name and the German word for lackey or servant or footman. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Anthony (Sevryuk)

Anthony (Sevryuk) in Kiev in 2019
Anthony (Sevryuk) in Kiev in 2019

Created by Inter&anthro (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Would it be possible to propose another hook? Right now, as it's written, it might not appeal to those unfamiliar with Orthodox Christianity, since it doesn't really say much about him that could easily catch attention. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • That's a valid concern, I'm trying to brainstorm another hook right now. The problem is that since the article is about an Orthodox bishop and most of the text in the article deals with that, it will be hard to come up with a hook that appeals to readers unfamiliar with the topic.   Inter&anthro (talk) 13:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 2[edit]

Carla Herrero

Herrero in 2014
Herrero in 2014
  • ... that Carla Herrero (pictured) realized she had been bullied in school for eight years only when she entered a new school environment? Source: Te Interesa "Fue al cambiar de centro para iniciar el Bachillerato cuando se dio cuenta de sus heridas y empezó a hablar" (It was when she changed schools to start bachillerato when she became aware her injuries and began to speak) La Vanguardia "Empezó a hablar, la relación con los compañeros fue buena y se dio cuenta de lo que le había pasado..." (She began to talk, her relationship with her classmates was good and she became aware of what had happened...)
    • ALT1:... that Carla Herrero's (pictured) experience being bullied for eight years inspired a research project she did about youth identity amid bullying? Source: Te Interesa "Carla volcó su historia y sufrimiento en un trabajo de investigación de Bachillerato..." (Carla turned her story and suffering into a bachillerato research work...) The paper: "A la recerca de la pròpia identitat" (In search of one's own identity)

Created by Hameltion (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • This is a drive-by comment for now, but I'm not sure if ALT0 is a good idea. Not only is it a very downlifting hook, it's probably not a good idea to focus on such a negative aspect of her life. ALT1 might have more potential, but it may be need to be reworded to put focus away from the bullying part. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5: Sorry not to have answered earlier; I didn't realize you were waiting for a response. I argue the hooks are appropriate, for the subject is notable for her anti-bullying advocacy. Perhaps a hook should refer to her as an anti-bullying activist. What are your thoughts? Hameltion (talk, contribs) 04:33, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm not against there being a mention of bullying in a hook, only that a hook that mentions it sounds positive instead of sounding negative. ALT1 would likely serve as a basis for this, I'd suggest that in that case the activism be mentioned first instead of the bullying. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:58, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that Carla Herrero's research projects on youth identity amid bullying were inspired by her own experiences being bullied in school for eight years?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

List of November 2019 Hong Kong protests

Converted from a redirect by Feminist (talk) and OceanHok (talk). Self-nominated at 11:47, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

  • @Feminist: This is just my observation and not a full review, but I suppose the nomination may be quite hasty, since this is a quickly developing situation. Though stability is not a criterion for DYK, this is only the second day of November (third day for Hong Kong), and I think there may be further developments over the course of the month. epicgenius (talk) 00:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree, but regardless of whether an article is stable or not, a "hasty" nomination is required if I were to comply with DYK rules which dictate that an article must be nominated within 7 days of creation or expansion. feminist (talk) 02:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Feminist: OK. I suppose the recency issue is not a big problem then, so I'm going to review the article. epicgenius (talk) 03:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - It may just be me following the HK protests a lot (as my family's originally from that area) but I don't find the hooks to be excessively interesting. I think the mistaken re-arrest of protesters may be far more interesting, but it isn't in the article and may only be tangentially related. Let me know what you think.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 03:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

  • @Epicgenius: Thanks. I've added the re-arrest to the article and split the paragraph under "Central". I'm actually surprised at this getting reviewed so quickly because I expect major additions to this article regarding future events. I nominated this article so quickly to ensure it satisfies the newness requirement, not because I expect this article to be stable. This means a new review (focusing on policy compliance) may be required in a few weeks. For a hook relating to the re-arrest:
  • ALT2: ... that riot police entered a court building in Hong Kong to re-arrest defendants after a spelling mistake by the justice department led to their charges being dropped? feminist (talk) 14:08, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
    • I like ALT2, but I'll leave this on hold for now in case we need another review at the end of the month. epicgenius (talk) 17:00, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Frank Palmer (businessman)

  • ... that Frank Palmer retired from business exactly after 50 years service? Source: [16]
    • ALT1:... that Frank Palmer entered in to advertising business on April 1, 1969 and left on the exact date after 50 years? Source: [17]

Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 06:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - ?
Overall: Symbol question.svg Overall, a really good article that I enjoyed reading. Nice work, Captain Assassin! Per a QPQ check, however, it looks like the nominator needs to provide a QPQ, which has not been done yet. I have a slight preference for ALT1 as the hook, but the main hook is good, too. Once QPQ is done, I'll be happy to pass this nomination. Once again, nice work! Michael Barera (talk) 03:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

@Michael Barera: Side comment: Does ALT1 sound a bit off grammatically? Specifically "entered in to advertising" --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
@Michael Barera: Thanks for your comment. I will provide a QPQ done asap. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 07:09, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: Sorry to be slow in replying. Something like "entered the advertising business" or "began a career in advertising" might be a more natural alternative to "entered in to advertising", perhaps. Michael Barera (talk) 04:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
@Michael Barera: No worries! I thought I should mention it as a drive-by comment once I read it to prevent any errors. But, since you're the reviewer, you have the last say :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 17:25, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Battle of the North Inch

Created/expanded by QuintusPetillius (talk). Self-nominated at 18:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

I'd be happy to give some feedback, regardless:
  1. The hook should be tweaked to add the "a" to the link (i.e. "...his court arranged a trial by combat) to avoid the potential WP:EGG of a reader expecting the link to trial by combat. ☑Y Resolved; hook amended. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  2. The article states that the King insisted the parties end their feud "amicably", and that the proposal for the trial by combat came from the two chiefs. The original hook implies the King was more involved than being a spectator. This may be clarified in the citation (currently Ref #11) but it's offline so I cannot verify (being an offline reference isn't necessarily a problem in itself) (applies to original hook only) ☑Y Resolved; hook amended. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  3. The article makes it clear that one of the sides may not have been Clan Cameron. (applies to original hook only) ☑Y Resolved; hook amended. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  4. Although it's not WP:SYN, there's (currently) a bit of extra reading needed to extrapolate the numbers—clearly, there is a reference given for 29 + 19 deaths (although this says the opponents to Clan Chattan was the Davidsons). There isn't an inline ref (unless it's the one a few sentences after) for there being 30 people on each side (and it appears not all accounts agree). It's all there in the Brown source—30 vs 30 on page 154 ("...they adopted the singular idea of deciding their quarrel by a combat of thirty against thirty."); 29 + 19 deaths on page 156 ("...twenty nine of the Davidsons had fallen [...] nineteen of Cluny's men also bit the dust..."). ☑Y Resolved; references clarified. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Article expansion aside, just a few referencing improvements would make ALT1 eligible. MIDI (talk) 11:09, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Replying to comment on my talk page: The first paragraph of the "Battle" section is only supported by one footnote. Because of this, it is not clear to which statement the footnote applies, or if it is a citation for the entire paragraph. If that footnote does support the entire paragraph, that's absolutely fine (and I presume this is the case). However, if this is the case, it means there is an unreferenced statement in there (Brown does not support the "Although the numbers involved in the battle have been increased by various historians" statement). MIDI (talk) 21:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have changed the line in the Battle section of the article to that the numbers have been "variously reported" specific to as be what is said on page 154 of the book being quoted as source for the whole paragraph. I hope that this is sufficient. Thanks.QuintusPetillius (talk) 21:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
I have reworded slightly to clarify what is backed up by the Browne reference. I have put a {{cn}} tag in where more referencing is needed. We're now straying away from the remit of this DYK nomination; I feel that point #4 of my list above will be resolved with the extra citation, but anything not related to the other three issues (i.e. general article improvements) should be taken up at Talk:Battle of the North Inch. MIDI (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have added Browne as the source where you added the citation needed template as page 154 does clearly state the numbers have been "variously reported". However, finding examples of historians who have actually given different numbers is another thing. Both Browne and Keltie (also quoted in the article) state that some writers have mis-interpreted the works of Hector Boece and George Buchanan to say that 300 warriors took part, but they do not actually specify which writers do this. As you have mentioned any further adjustment to the article would be straying to far from the DYK nomination and should be taken up at the talk page. Regards. QuintusPetillius (talk) 21:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
That's entirely my fault - I have read the reference god knows how many times and did not see that part! I'm very sorry! This is no longer an issue to be resolved. Thanks for your clarification. We could perhaps reword the hook to say something like "as few as thirty warriors on each side" as that corroborates the link (any other reports are greater than 30). Therefore the link would be fully sourced and not potentially incorrect. Just the other points (namely article length) to sort now. I see it's undergone further expansion so I'll run DYKCHECK later when I'm not mobile editing! MIDI (talk) 08:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I have just run DYKCHECK—to help you, the expansion started with this edit on 31 October (prose of 3956 characters). Per the 5x expansion rule (WP:DYKRULES), the article needs to be 19,780 characters to be eligible; it is currently at 4,865. Updated proposed ALT below. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
So regarding the number of characters, how did the Battle of Craig Cailloch manage to get a successful nomination when it is even shorter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuintusPetillius (talk • contribs) 18:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
(passerby)Hello! You need to expand an article five times the size you start with no matter how big it is. If it had a single short paragraph, you could make it five short paragraphs which would make the article both five times the original size and about the minimum acceptable size for DYK. You started on the article when it was 13 short paragraphs, roughly speaking, so it requires to either become about 65 short paragraphs long or a Good Article to be DYK eligible, I would bet on the latter being easier. Usedtobecool TALK ✨ 06:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 3[edit]

Irma Beilke

As Marzelline in 1945
As Marzelline in 1945
  • ... that soprano Irma Beilke appeared as Marzelline (pictured) in Beethoven's Fidelio on 4 September 1945 in the first opera performance in Berlin after World War II? Source: [18] + the image
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: I'd like to add that she was Blonde in Glyndeborne and Traviata in Dublin, - major roles, internationality, but perhaps we stick to the performance with historic notability. - Sorry, a day late. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Jo Walker-Meador

Created/expanded by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This is a comment rather than a review, but I wonder if a better hook could be proposed. Right now the hook lacks context about Walker-Meador's life, or her involvement in said hall of fame (the hook doesn't even mention it by name!). The hook has potential, but it could still be improved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Another hook added per request. Chris (talk) 23:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 has potential, but it's over the 200 character limit and thus needs to be trimmed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Take 3.Chris (talk) 23:38, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I guess ALT2 works, but it doesn't mention the Hall of Fame anymore. As I don't really think these hooks are that spectacular (though are still acceptable for DYK purposes), I'll leave reviewing this to another editor and asking for second opinions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Miller17CU94: @Narutolovehinata5: Thought I should give you both a heads up. I can't review this article as I originally had a draft on her from last year and didn't end up finishing it. I've redirected my draft to this article, and the only thing I've added was an additional hall of fame induction. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for letting us know MrLinkinPark333 (talk). I was hoping this would have made a DYK given the Country Music Association Awards are on tonight. I tried. Chris (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Rockstar San Diego

  • Reviewed: Hazeltine 2000
  • Comment: Open to rewordings and different proposals, as there is a lot to say/know about this company. I like all presented hooks equally, so I leave the selection fully to the reviwer(s). Also note that the copyvio detector will most likely tag Polygon with some ~40% confidence. This is because a three-sentence quote was extracted from the website and is presented in a quotebox in the article, which the copyvio detector does not recognize as a quote.

Improved to Good Article status by Lordtobi (talk). Self-nominated at 16:09, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article was promoted to GA status within seven days of the nomination, and meets DYK and GA requirements. The only close paraphrasing that was found was the aforementioned Polygon quote. While all hooks are cited inline and verified, ALT1 and ALT7 are probably the most eye-catchy for non-video game fans (ALT0 is not very interesting and perhaps commonplace; as an example, Squad of Kerbal Space Program fame was previously an advertising company before becoming a game developer. ALT2 is catchy and might be an acceptable choice, but not as interesting as ALT1 or ALT7; ALTs 3 to 6 are quite niche and don't really seem to be that appealing to those uninterested in video games). A QPQ has been done. This is actually good to go now, I'm just withholding giving this the tick while waiting a response from the nominator if which among ALT1, ALT2, or ALT7 would they prefer. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:57, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
    Narutolovehinata5, thanks for the review. Out of the three you picked, ALT1 probably has the highest clickbait factor, so I'd use this hook for DYK. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 09:13, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Noted. Having taken a look at the sources though, ALT1 might need to be adjusted; the sources don't outright say that it was the first virtual sex scene, only that it was either the earliest known or that it is believed to be so. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:19, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
You're right. It could potentially be reworded to "one of the first" or "the earliest known", if this suffices. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 09:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Would it be okay to propose a modified version of ALT1 that says "is believed to be the first virtual sex scene..."? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:33, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. Lordtobi (✉) 08:16, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Proposing ALT1a below:
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Since I added a fact here (the "believed to be" part), I'm not sure if I'm allowed to approve ALT1a, so I'm requesting a second opinion to checks its validity. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 4[edit]

Maëlle

Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Moscow Connection: New enough (at 7 day limit), long enough. QPQ needed. The sources in French appear to back the hook citation up, with article titles including "first female winner" and the bolding of "youngest contestant". (However, I do not like the phrasing of ALT1 with "17 at the time" and would suggest changing "candidate" to "contestant" in ALT2.) Ping me when you have your QPQ so that this nomination can be approved. Raymie (t • c) 08:09, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Real Monasterio de Santo Tomás

Church of Santo Tomás
Church of Santo Tomás
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: There's much more in Spanish, but without source.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

  •  Comment: Needs going over by a native speaker, & many links added. Johnbod (talk) 22:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok, done that. Odd you don't mention that the high altar is hoisted some 5 metres above the nave! There may be an issue of copyvio with the Spanish source. A better hook might be "... was partly funded by the head of the Spanish Inquisition". I can't review it. Johnbod (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Johnbod, I came to add you to the credits. I'd mention the altar position if I'd find it in a source, but don't read Spanish. I tried to rephrase, - perhaps not yet enough so. This must be mentioned in books, even in English, would you find something? - I just saw it and was impressed! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hussein Mohammed

  • ... that Hussein Mohammed helped to improve military discipline through a plot during which the Ugandan President's brother was forced into a car boot? Source: "Gen Mustafa [...] ordered Maj Nebbi to enter the boot of his Mercedes and instructed the driver to lock it. He then told the driver: "Drive this man to Jinja [district in eastern Uganda] and back. When you reach Jinja, report to the Commanding Officer there and tell him to call me". Sgt Kitaka drove to Jinja barracks and back, with Maj Nebbi in the boot. Once in Jinja, the Commanding Officer (Lt Col Hussein Mohammed), called Gen Mustafa, saying: "Afande, your driver has reported to me with the 'luggage' inside the boot. He is on his way back." When the driver reported back at Bulange, Gen Mustafa told him to open the boot. He slapped Maj Nebbi and barked in Swahili: "We mujinga, toka injje!" Meaning: "You fool, get out." He asked him: "Is it nice inside there?" Gen Mustafa then rang Amin and told him: "I have put your brother, Maj Nebbi, in the boot of my car and driven him to Jinja and back because he put a civilian in the boot of his car after a slight mistake". Amin replied: "No problem, that is your job." From that day, soldiers became more disciplined." (When Amin's brother was locked in car boot)

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 00:42, 10 November 2019 (UTC).

KNWB

  • ... that 17 extensions and modifications of the construction permit were necessary before Hawaii radio station KFSH went on the air in 1985, more than eight years after the permit was awarded? This count will require cross-referencing the FCC history card and the FCC official record; it's easiest to use the FCCdata mirror for this.

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

Erza Muqoli

Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Moscow Connection: Prose size 2796 B. I'm AGFing the foreign-language sources. I'd lean towards ALT1 because being voted no sounds a little too routine to be interesting... unless you want to rewrite that first-choice hook. Only two things needed to address: two sentences - "posted videos of her singing on the Internet" and "The entire album was written and composed by Vianney." - need inline citations attached to them. Most importantly, QPQ needed. I'd also recommend merging some one-sentence paragraphs. And yes, I'll give you time to work on the article. ミラP 00:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Peleng tarsier

  • ... that the Peleng tarsier, a small carnivorous primate, can rotate its head through nearly 180° in each direction? Source: "Unique spinal morphology makes tarsiers capable of turning their heads nearly 180° in each direction,"

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Starting Review--Kevmin § 13:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Paul Mickelson

  • ... that Paul Mickelson bought the NBC Hollywood Studios organ, the instrument on which he first recorded? Source: [20] "At 18 Mickelson recorded his first organ solo at Hollywood's Radio City, playing on the NBC pipe organ.... Mickelson now owns this organ..."

Created by 78.26 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 6 November 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - Just some minor wording to sort out. The hook and article state that Mickelson's first recording was on the NBC organ. The source says his first recorded organ solo—that's quite distinctive to (and doesn't necessarily mean) his "first recording". The source does not verify that this session was his very first, so unless a new source can I think we need a slight rewording (of hook and article) to reflect this.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg MIDI (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

  • "Hollywood Studios", with caps, looks like it could be linked to something. Any ideas if so? Also, the photo in the article is eligible for use (as PD) if you wanted. MIDI (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@MIDI: thank you for the review. This is why its such a good idea to have an independent set of eyes looking at it, as the proposed hook is a confluence of trying to keep it short, trying to keep it interesting, and accidentally incorporating my own knowledge of the topic (I could expand this fivefold, but no OR allowed, alas Face-wink.svg.) So, given that I'm unaware of any piano recordings by Mickelson until he joined Word, the fact that organ was by far the preferred instrument for religious performances until the 1960s, and he wouldn't have had a budget to do orchestral recording until he joined RCA, well, I didn't check my assumptions (to me it seems obvious as the only possibility) at the door. So, thank you for that. Also, I didn't think to check if NBC's California radio studios had their own article, but they do and it will make for a better hook. How about:
  • ALT1 ... that Paul Mickelson bought the organ from NBC's Hollywood Studios, the instrument upon which he made his first solo organ recording? Source: [21] "At 18 Mickelson recorded his first organ solo at Hollywood's Radio City, playing on the NBC pipe organ.... Mickelson now owns this organ..."
Thanks again! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:09, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
No probs! At the risk of overlinking, I'd suggest the following as minor changes (just for context for unfamiliar readers). Also, would something like "in later life" add clarity to the fact that Mickelson didn't just snap up the instrument straight after the session?:
or the following, if ALT2 is too linky:
MIDI (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure that both NBC and Hollywood Studios need to be linked (although CBS had a Hollywood Studios also, for instance the album from which the article picture was taken was recorded on CBS' "Hollywood Studios" pipe organ.) This is just a suggestion, and I'm not sure it's better, but what about linking to Theatre organ, since the instrument was indeed a theatre organ, and not a pipe organ. If you really feel I should include the image, then I should convert it to b&w. The album cover was printed in pink/black, and it looks like a severe case of sunburn.... 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 22:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Depukhu

  • Reviewed: QPQ exempt (only two previous DYK credits, will try to review one later but can't promise success)

Created by Usedtobecool (talk). Self-nominated at 18:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Drive by comment: doesn't "she-goat" sound weird in this hook.~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 01:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • CAPTAIN MEDUSA, perhaps, but AFAIK, that would be the limitation of the English language, alternatives are doe and nanny, neither of which can be used without the -goat suffix, and the word for baby goat is gender-neutral too. Usedtobecool TALK ✨ 18:05, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Also a drive-by comment, but the hook might need to be copyedited as it's a bit hard to understand right now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:45, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 6[edit]

Lu Shijia

  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: Sourcing still needs some improvement, I'll work on it in the next week.

Created by Yeming830 (talk) and Zanhe (talk). Nominated by Zanhe (talk) at 11:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC).

Edith Marian Begbie, Gertrude Wilkinson, Florence Macfarlane

Begbie, Wilkinson and Macfarlane in 1912
Begbie, Wilkinson and Macfarlane in 1912

Created/expanded by Jack1956 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:29, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

  • First of all, you need to review three articles in order to nominate three articles. Secondly, "suffragette" shoud not be capitalized. More to follow. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 05:06, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - There are serious problems with this. For instance, the Macfarlane article cites "Clan MacFarlane and Associated Clans Genealogy", thedinnerpuzzle.com and uncoveryourancestors.org. What makes any of these reliable? Other references are to "Florence Geraldine Mcfarlane in the 1901 Scotland Census" and "California Death Index for Florence Geraldine Macfarlane - 1940 to 1997". That's not verifiable.
  • Neutral: Green tickY
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Red XN - Some close paraphrasing, see here, here, and here

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Red XN - Need two more
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg AGF on the book citation, which is reliable but Google Books won't show it to me. I prefer ALT1. Never mind the QPQ—I see you're a new nominator. Welcome to DYK! (?) Fiamh (talk, contribs) 05:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

  • According to the userbox on the nominator's page, they've got 117 DYK credits, so two more reviews (a total of three) are required. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • That's weird, maybe the DYK check tool is acting up. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 10:04, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Clan MacFarlane and Associated Clans Genealogy, thedinnerpuzzle.com and uncoveryourancestors.org have used standard genealogical research/online sources which I have verified independently. Clan Macfaflane lists their sources as the International Genealogical Index and Ancestry.com, etc. Thedinnerpuzzle lists its 8 sources at the bottom of the article. I have checked these; while Uncover Your Ancestors mentions it sources throughout the article and I have double checked these also.

The references to "Florence Geraldine Mcfarlane in the 1901 Scotland Census" and "California Death Index for Florence Geraldine Macfarlane - 1940 to 1997" are from the copied documents on Ancestry.com. Usually when I put a link to Ancestry in an article someone complains and I take them out; I can put the links in if it helps. The "close paraphrasing" actually refers to facts such as organisations and addresses which I can't rewrite - they are what they are. I believe the image is anonymous because the admin who uploaded it put that tag on it: the photographer is unknown and therefore anonymous.

Finally, this is a rare triple DYK; do I really have to review three other articles a this is a single DYK with three subjects. I will do two more if really necessary and if it will pass the nomination. This is to publicise the Women in Red WikiProject. Other than that I don't have the time for a rewrite and reluctantly would have to withdraw the nomination. Jack1956 (talk) 10:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jack1956: Yes, unfortunately you do need to review three other articles per WP:DYKSG#H4: Where a hook has more than one new or expanded article in it, an article-for-article quid pro quo (QPQ) is required: one article reviewed for each bolded article in the hook. It's possible to review two articles in a single nomination, e.g. Template:Did you know nominations/Bersey electric cab, or I can donate some QPQ credits to you if you wish. epicgenius (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice and the kind offer of lending QPQ credits. I have taken your advice and reviewed the double article. Jack1956 (talk) 22:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  1. Regardless of who uploaded the image, you need some sort of evidence that it's anonymous. The source does not state the author, but it also doesn't say that the author is unknown.
  2. If you've checked the original sources, you should cite them directly (assuming that they're WP:RS) rather than intermediary websites that are of dubious reliability.
  3. Preferably, use the parameters of {{cite census}} to make sure that enough information is included to be verifiable to other editors. If documents are hosted online, link to the reproduction. The citations at present are not verifiable because an editor cannot use the information to locate the original source.
  4. Close paraphrasing does exist. Please click on the links I listed above to see what is going on and fix it. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) Fiamh (talk, contribs) 21:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Judith Katzir

Created by CallMeBarcode (talk). Self-nominated at 14:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • @CallMeBarcode: There is no need to move the page. I have reformatted the hook according to what it looks like it's saying. epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius: Thank you, Epicgenius! I appreciate your help a lot. CallMeBarcode (talk) 18:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the Israeli novel Tzilla is based on Judith Katzir's great-grandmother, who lost an eye in a Russian pogrom, moved to Palestine, and invited her lover to live with her and her husband? Source: https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/intimate-conversation-famed-israeli-author-Judith-Katzir

ALT1 has potential, but it's a bit on the long side. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that the Israeli novel Tzilla is based on Judith Katzir's great-grandmother who lost an eye in a Russian pogrom and later in Palestine invited her lover to live with her and her husband? Source: https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/intimate-conversation-famed-israeli-author-Judith-Katzir

slightly shortened version.108.16.95.25 (talk) 12:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Lost in the Fumes

Created by Feminist (talk). Self-nominated at 16:56, 6 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svgArticle is new enough and long enough. AGFing on sources and copyright as I can't speak Chinese. First hook seems more interesting but perhaps translating the relevant part of the second source might make it more verifiable. QPQ is done. Image is fine. Is there a reason why there is no plot section? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Well, since it's like a documentary-style film focusing on Edward Leung's life, any plot section would simply retell his life and political career. If you think a plot section is still useful in spite of that, I can add one. But I may have to rewatch the film first. feminist (talk) 00:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Famine Inquiry Commission

  • ... that the Famine Inquiry Commission has been criticized for exonerating the British government of responsibility for the 1943 Bengal famine? Source: "the Famine Commission’s best efforts were directed not towards explaining the famine, but towards obscuring the role played by His Majesty’s government in precipitating and aggravating the famine" p. 72 (subscription required); Osmani 1993, p. 41; Ó Gráda 2009, p. 179.
    • ALT1:... that members of the inquiry into the 1943 Bengal famine were reportedly ordered to destroy the transcripts of their proceedings? Source: "For an answer, it is instructive to review the Nanavati Papers, the unpublished transcripts of the secret hearings of the Famine Commission. These are highly revealing of the body’s underlying motivations. Members of the commission were reportedly ordered to destroy their copies of these transcripts, but fortunately Justice Nanavati did not comply – his set, or at least parts of it, are to be found in the National Archives of India in New Delhi" first source above

Created by Fiamh (talk). Self-nominated at 08:34, 6 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 7[edit]

Kurt Meyer

Meyer at trial
Meyer at trial
  • ... that German SS commander Kurt Meyer (pictured), himself a convicted war criminal, claimed that "SS troops committed no crimes, except the massacre at Oradour, and that was the action of a single man"? Stein, George (1984) [1966]. The Waffen-SS: Hitler's Elite Guard at War 1939–1945. Cornell University Press. ISBN 0-8014-9275-0., pp. 255–256

Improved to Good Article status by K.e.coffman (talk). Self-nominated at 02:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC).

Iris lortetii

Iris lortetii
Iris lortetii
  • ... that rhizomes of Iris lortetii (pictured) when stored during the late summer and autumn, lose 30–60% of their weight? [1]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by DavidAnstiss (talk). Self-nominated at 23:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

References

  1. ^ Hugh Synge The IUCN Plant Red Data Book: Comprising Red Data Sheets on 250 Selected ... , p. 241, at Google Books

Eriocampa ovata

  • ... that adult male woolly alder sawflies have not been detected in North America and are rare in Europe? Source: "Male: Unknown in North America. Rare in Europe."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:50, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - I'd be inclined to have something in the hook about how the females breed via parthenogenesis in the absence of males—as someone not usually interested in this field, adding that is a bit more "interesting". Suggested alt below.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Expanded article all good as is, but suggestions made to improve hookiness. MIDI (talk) 16:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that in the absence of males in North America, the female woolly alder sawfly breeds through parthenogenesis? Sources: absence of males in North America ("Male.—unknown in North America"); the female [...] breeds through parthenogenesis ("A parthenogenic species"). Both Smith, 1979 p19

Jacqueline Coleman

Moved to mainspace by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 03:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I'm claiming this for review and will try to finish it within the next few days, but for now I have a question. Are lieutenant governors of U.S. inherently notable? Having looked at the article, most of the coverage appears to be election-related as opposed to her activist career or even her previous election campaign. The hook is good and cited inline, so that should be fine at least. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, WP:NPOL says: "Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or sub-national (e.g., province- or state-wide) office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them." Lt Gov is a state-wide office. She will get more coverage as Lt Gov than she did as a candidate, or before she was one. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Noted. The article meets DYK requirements, a QPQ has been provided, I didn't find any close paraphrase, and the hook is cited inline, interesting, and verified. However, I'm not very sure about the mention of Coleman's pregnancy: is it right to say "announced their pregnancy" instead of "announced her pregnancy"? In addition, the year of birth doesn't seem to be cited in the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I don't think it's wrong? It's her husband's too, even though she's the one carrying it. I took out the year of birth, since I don't know where it came from or who put it in. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps it's just the form of English that's used where I live, but personally I've never heard of "pregnancy" referring to both parents before, usually when I hear news about "pregnancy" they specify that it's the woman (i.e. "announces pregnancy", "announces her pregnancy", but not "announces their pregnancy"). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Bin Cheng

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewing... DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Article created on 7th Nov and nominated within the 7 day period. DYK check tool returns a value of 2992 characters (507 words) "readable prose size"; is long enough. A basic read of the prose shows it is policy compliant - neutral tone and cites sources. Earwigs copyvio detector returns a value of 23.1% "violation unliekly". Further most of the similarities between sources and content are names, designations or distinctions. Copyvio check ok.
  • Length of hook ok. The hook is interesting (But usage of "invented", legal theory, usage of the word customary - can be misleading in certain ways and not easy to understand for those who arent familiar with these terms in relation to the said law but I guess that is a domain matter so we can let it be) Since the overall meaning comes through and also is interesting its ok.
  • The hook is mentioned inline and supported by a source. A line in the original source says - source says - "Bin Cheng finds that a customary international law norm might be created instantly "over night"". I am not sure how much removing the word "norm" does to the meaning.
  • Accordingly, hook ALT0 is fine according to me, but I am suggesting a simpler hook if Zanhe has no problem with it...
ALT 1: ... that Bin Cheng has been described as the "Father of International Air Law". Source : Widely acknowledged as the "Father of International Air Law,”
  • Also, if you could maybe rephrase ALT0 or make it simpler or change or remove a few words...... not compulsory but a suggestion. Thanks.
Symbol question.svg DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 08:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Rags Parkland Sings the Songs of the Future

  • Reviewed: TBD

Moved to mainspace by Seancefret (talk) and Bobamnertiopsis (talk). Nominated by Bobamnertiopsis (talk) at 03:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, and the hook is cited inline and verified. This is just a suggestion, but a possible alternate hook could be mentioning how, according to the NYT source, the water damage may have been used to the production's advantage since now the set looked "battered". Just waiting for the QPQ to be completed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:43, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 8[edit]

Heiko Trinsinger

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:42, 15 November 2019 (UTC).

Elatobium abietinum

  • ... that the green spruce aphid often continues breeding in the winter but the nymphs enter diapause during the summer? "populations often continue to feed and reproduce through the winter. In spring and early summer alates are produced in response to the changing nutritional status of the host. They then migrate to other spruce where their nymphs aestivate for the summer before resuming development in autumn."

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC).

Stucky (fandom)

  • Reviewed: Yūki Yamato
  • Comment: I like the punchiness of ALT0, but I included alternate hooks with detail/specificity if it's too light.

Created/expanded by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 9[edit]

Jacques Durand (publisher)

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: yes, I know, we'll need some more refs

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC).

Storme Webber

  • ... that Storme Webber left her family and entered foster care at eleven years old?

Created by RachelWex (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 05:39, 14 November 2019 (UTC).

The unsourced parts are the career section paragraph 2 & 4. Alongside Film Appearances, and Exhibits section. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 07:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 10[edit]

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 11[edit]

Maria Krönung (Lautenbach)

Interior of Maria Krönung
Interior of Maria Krönung
  • ... that the pilgrimage church Maria Krönung (pictured) in Lautenbach retains features from the late-Gothic period when it was built, such as a high altar, a rood screen and windows depicting donors? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Most churches from that time were remodelled, or destroyed.

Created by KevCurry30 (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC).

2000 Macau Grand Prix

Improved to Good Article status by MWright96 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 12[edit]

Ralph Mellanby

Created/expanded by Connormah (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 14 November 2019 (UTC).

Tom Chase

  • Reviewed: 1 William Street
  • Comment: ALT1 is probably too niche but I figured I'd include it anyways.

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:20, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 13[edit]

Sally Milgrim

Milgrim c. 1920–1925
Milgrim c. 1920–1925
  • ... that fashion designer Sally Milgrim (pictured) designed the dress Eleanor Roosevelt wore to her husband's first inaugural ball?From Ghetto to Glamour "Sally Milgrim designed the light blue gown that Eleanor Roosevelt wore to her husband’s first inaugural ball in 1933."
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:01, 15 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi HickoryOughtShirt?4, review follows: article created 13 November; article exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; the sentence "March 1936, Milgrim was one of twenty-four women honored by the New York League of Business and Professional Women at an annual achievement dinner" comes up as a copy of a sentence written at the Jewish Women's Archive in 2009 (though it is not attributed as the source in the article), this'll need remedying; hook fact is interesting, mentioned in the article and backed up by the source; image is listed as "no known copyright restrictions" by the Library of Congress so is OK to use; a QPQ is required. If you ping me when you've had a look at that sentence and the QPQ I'll come back to complete the review, cheers - Dumelow (talk) 16:22, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Semisimple representation

  • Reviewed: Exempt - 4 DYKs

Created by TakuyaMurata (talk) and MarkH21 (talk). Nominated by MarkH21 (talk) at 12:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment (not a review): Don't the hidden-by-default proofs violate MOS:DONTHIDE "Collapsible templates should not conceal article content by default upon page loading"? —David Eppstein (talk) 02:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Ah, you’re right. Fixed and un-autocollapsed. — MarkH21 (talk) 02:11, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
      • More not-really-reviewing: the entire "Examples and non-examples" section is unsourced. According to the DYK rules, every paragraph that is not merely a summary of later material (or plot summary of fiction) needs a source. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
        • Pinging TakuyaMurata, did you have a source that we can cite for the non-example that you added? — MarkH21 (talk) 03:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
          • I have added a few. -- Taku (talk) 23:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Canon EOS RP

Created by ~riley (talk). Self-nominated at 18:53, 13 November 2019 (UTC).

  • This camera has a few different things to highlight, ALT4 is looking most appealing after having nominated this... ~riley (talk) 18:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I'd like to see us find something more interesting than least expensive, more affordable, lightest, smallest. What is interesting about this product, other than to anyone shopping for a new camera? What about this camera would a general audience find interesting? --valereee (talk) 02:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Valereee: I'm a pretty straight shooter, so please take this in the right way.. People read what is interesting to them, a generalizing approach doesn't work well with technical topics. For example, the lead DYK on the front page right now is about the "largest collection of fire truck bells". Personally, I don't find this interesting - but someone does and thats why we have several DYKs on the front page, not just one. I have about 5 camera DYKs and haven't tried to appeal to the general audience for any of them. I do hear what you're saying though and thats why I am thinking ALT4 is the best out of the above proposed. I think least expensive is interesting because everyone knows that technology is getting more expensive. We are in a society where the price of everything is getting higher. Think about phones (don't get me started on the price of iPhones), laptops, etc are all creeping up in price - to hear a manufacturer actually aimed to make the cheapest of something on the market is in fact interesting. ~riley (talk) 04:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm very sorry, but all of the above hooks sound somewhat promotional, and while we know that this is not intentional, there is a concern that readers may find them so. I've taken a look at the article and I've also noticed that the article reads similarly. Perhaps more information could be found that isn't just descriptions of how the camera works or its specifications? Perhaps articles on its development and reception, if they exist? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:09, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Any recommendations for reducing the promotional sounds of the above hooks? I have striken ALT0 and ALT3 as I agree they are on the more promotional side. I have taken a second look and agree that the article was primarily highlighting it's features and did not include the flipside, thanks for pointing this out. I have made some revisions (comparison), including adding a reception section with mixed reviews. I think this significantly helps balance the article. I think a development section is a good idea, however, this information appears inadequately covered/sourced - I will continue to research but preliminary results do not look good on that front. ~riley (talk) 07:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Riley, I agree that everyone has different interests, but the features of a camera, unless groundbreaking in some way, aren't of interest to 99% of those who aren't currently looking to buy a camera. There's just nothing interesting about tech prices dropping: other things being equal, tech prices always drop. You can buy a prepaid burner at Target for like $30. What you can't get is all the bells-and-whistles of the expensive new items. There's nothing inherently interesting about a tech item being smaller that before: other things being equal, tech always gets smaller, lighter, whatever. If you tell me it's half the size of any camera ever made, that's maybe interesting. But not just that it's the smallest. Because next week we'll have another smallest camera ever made, and it'll probably be the cheapest, too. And of course manufacturers want to be able to price theirs cheaper, if they can -- that's a selling point of interest to anyone who is looking to buy a new camera. --valereee (talk) 12:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Century Building (17th Street, Manhattan)

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC).

WWIZ (Lorain, Ohio)

  • ... that WWIZ in Lorain, Ohio, lost its license after a transaction meant to fund construction of a sister TV station went unreported to the FCC? Source (p. 58)
  • ALT1 Combo hook option with WXTV (Ohio): ... that the sale of WWIZ radio in Lorain, Ohio, undertaken in order to raise capital needed to build WXTV in Youngstown, prompted both stations to lose their licenses? Source (pages 58/60)
  • Reviewed: BBC Radio Theatre
  • Comment: I provided about 25 percent of the article prose, as well as technical and archival assistance, to Nathan; this is his first DYK. Some material was split from WDLW, but there is enough new prose here (around 3200 characters) to qualify as new.

Created by Nathan Obral (talk) and Raymie (talk). Nominated by Raymie (talk) at 08:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 14[edit]

WXTV (Ohio)

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 18:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC).

Brooklyn Fire Department

Created by Epicgenius (talk) and 94.113.79.37 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 18:50, 14 November 2019 (UTC).

Mikhail Motsak

  • ... that Russian Vice-Admiral Mikhail Motsak planned the naval exercise during which the submarine Kursk was lost, was involved in the search operations, and then oversaw her salvage? Source: Moore, "As the Northern Fleet's chief of staff, Motsak had direct responsibility for planning the summer exercise", p. 46.; Flynn, "At 1814, the Northern Fleet chief of staff, Admiral Motsak, puts the search and rescue effort into higher gear, ordering five IL-39 search planes into the air from Severomorsk.", p. 84.; Truscott, "The headquarters of the so-called 'Special Mission Expedition' were aboard the Severomorsk, and commanded by Vice-Admiral Motsak.", p. 169.
    • ALT1:... that Russian Vice-Admiral Mikhail Motsak, who oversaw the salvage of the wreck of the submarine Kursk, is buried in the same cemetery as a number of the crew who died aboard her? Source: "The funeral service and funeral of the Vice Admiral, who led the raising of the sunken submarine Kursk, begins at ten in the morning and ends at the Serafimovsky cemetery, where the mass grave of the dead submariners is located." ([31])

Created by Spokoyni (talk). Self-nominated at 00:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC).

Shiza Shahid

  • ... that Shiza Shahid and Malala Yousafzai co-founded the Malala Fund in 2013 with the aim of empowering education for girls?
    • ALT1:... that Shiza Shahid assisted Malala Yousafzai and became a mentor of her when the latter became a victim to Taliban shooting in October 2012? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Abishe (talk). Self-nominated at 14:19, 14 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 15[edit]

Revolutionary Party of Mozambique

  • ... that the Revolutionary Party of Mozambique was "mainly relying on stones" to fight its insurgency in the late 1970s and early 1980s? Source: "RENAMO soldiers described the Africa Livre combatants as operating in a 'rudimentary' manner, mainly relying on stones to fight FRELIMO" - Note that Africa Livre is an alternate name for the Revolutionary Party of Mozambique. (Weinstein, Jeremy W.; Francisco, Laudemiro (2005). "The Civil War in Mozambique. The Balance between Internal and External Influences". In Paul Collier; Nicholas Sambanis (eds.). Understanding Civil War: Africa. Evidence and Analysis, p. 178)
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 16:38, 16 November 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - the hook is a quote which is intended to convey metaphorically how ineffective the rebels were - but by itself the hook seems to convey a literal meaning (ie they were fighting with stones) clarified

QPQ: Red XN - None provided
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg I have some concerns about the content of the article in terms of clarity, further comment on the talk page. Goldsztajn (talk) 22:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

@Goldsztajn: I think you misunderstand the hook; there is nothing metaphorical here. They were literally fighting with stones. This conflict was fought in the hinterland of the hinterland of Mozambique, an isolated and extremely poor region. The PRM mainly joined RENAMO just to get access to guns. It is not unheard of that modern African insurgencies are fought with primitive weaponry - for example, the Arrow Boys, a militia in South Sudan, was named that way because they were fighting with bows and arrows against enemies armed with guns. Applodion (talk) 23:49, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
The source you cite for the hook mentions that the RPM/AL captured armaments. It's a disparaging statement made about the effectiveness of the RPM/AL. Personally, I would not draw any conclusions about the nature of Mozambique's civil war with examples from South Sudan, they are simply too disparate and involve radically different actors, environments and histories.--Goldsztajn (talk) 00:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Mmmh. Ok, fair enough. I thought that providing a reliable source for such a statement would suffice. I withdraw the nomination of the article for DYK. Applodion (talk) 00:52, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Apologies, I did not intend for you to withdraw this; I think there could be other hooks here. The trouble for me with this hook was that in checking the reference, the authors themselves provide no source or evidence to support the claim. It's innuendo/heresay... just because something is published in a reliable source doesn't mean we need to axiomatically treat it as fact. --Goldsztajn (talk) 01:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
@Goldsztajn: Hello! I just wanted to say that Sérgio Inácio Chichava also stated that the PRM used sticks, axes, machetes, and spears in this article: "Au début, le PRM utilisait des bâtons, des haches, des machettes, des lances." Taking this into account, I would say that my interpretation of the original source (as in, they used stones literally) was actually correct. Applodion (talk) 21:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
@Applodion:Pas de tout... there's no mention of stones (which would be pierres). Note the sentence starts with "In the beginning..." and then the next sentence mentions the capturing of guns, uniforms etc ("Petit à petit, il commença à voler des armes et des uniformes aux soldats, miliciens et policiers du Frelimo"). The merger with RENAMO doesn't happen until 1982 ... the "beginning" is 1977-78 ... so a difference of five years. This only reinforces that the original use was metaphorical, never literal. The comment about using stones was an indication of how ineffective the RENAMO people viewed the RPM/AL (not surprising given the nature of RENAMO and its scorched earth practices). Goldsztajn (talk) 22:31, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I disagree, but I see your point. Nevertheless, as you said, we could try another hook. How about: ALT1 ... that the Revolutionary Party of Mozambique was initially relying on sticks, axes, machetes, and spears to fight its insurgency in the late 1970s? Applodion (talk) 22:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
This is unambiguous and is clearly present in the referenced text, have amended the review. Just need a QPQ ...Goldsztajn (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Longshoremen v. Allied Int'l, Inc.

Created by Goldsztajn (talk). Self-nominated at 00:05, 16 November 2019 (UTC).

  • This hook is overlong at 255 characters, above the limit of 200. Proposing a reword: Raymie (t • c) 23:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT0a: ... that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the International Longshoremen's Association's refusal to unload cargo from the Soviet Union was illegal under the National Labor Relations Act?
  • Thank you! A slight change (196 characters):
ALT0b: ... that in 1982 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the refusal of the International Longshoremen's Association to unload cargo from the Soviet Union was illegal under the National Labor Relations Act?
Goldsztajn (talk) 01:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Porn Star: The Legend of Ron Jeremy

Ron Jeremy
Ron Jeremy
  • Reviewed: soon

5x expanded by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 12:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 16[edit]

Burleigh House, Enfield

Burleigh House
Burleigh House
  • ... that Burleigh House (pictured) in Enfield, near London, was said to have a ghost dressed in a doublet, hose, and ruffle?
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 20:30, 17 November 2019 (UTC).

Hewahewa

Created by SamHolt6 (talk) and KAVEBEAR (talk). Nominated by KAVEBEAR (talk) at 13:19, 16 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 17[edit]

Britain Quay

  • US Hydrographic (1917): "A time ball situated at the northern end of Great Britain Quay (..) is dropped by electricity from Dunsink Observatory at 1(pm GMT)"
  • Turtle Bunbury (2008): "the salmon pink South Hailing Station on the corner of Rogerson’s and Britain Quay (..) was built in 1907 and stood for a hundred years (..) a time ball was located on the Station so that mariners could correct their chronometers"
  • Paul O'Rourke (2016): "the historical hailing station which stood at the end of Britain Quay (..) was demolished in 2007 under suspicious circumstances to clear a path for a road connection to the famous U2 tower. That construction never went ahead, but Capital Dock has since taken its place"

5x expanded by Guliolopez (talk). Self-nominated at 14:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC).

Sign stealing

  • ... that in baseball, it is not against the rules to steal signs? [33]: The consensus among players and coaches is that any code deciphering by uniformed personnel is part of the game, but when outside equipment -- electronic, mechanical or otherwise -- is used, that's crossing the line. The official MLB rulebook does not address sign-stealing, though a memo was distributed in 2001 telling clubs that technology "could not be used for communications or for the purpose of stealing signs or conveying information designed to give a club an advantage."
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: IOU

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article new enough, long enough, and adequately cited. Hook short enough, interesting enough, and also cited. Article appears to be neutral and free of copyright violations and plagiarism. I have done some formating to citations. The QPQ is still needed other than that it's good to go. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 17:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I Married My Best Friend To Shut My Parents Up

  • Reviewed: Coelopa pilipes
  • Comment: A hair over 200 characters, but it's tough when the article title itself is just under 50 characters long.

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:33, 17 November 2019 (UTC).

List of Washington College alumni

  • Comment: I will do my QPQ soon. It has been a bit since I did this

5x expanded by Guerillero (talk). Self-nominated at 02:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC).

  • QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Naomi Watts filmography --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 02:33, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Hoffman's packing puzzle

Hoffman's packing puzzle
Hoffman's packing puzzle
  • ... that it is possible to pack 27 equal cuboids (pictured) into a cube? Any one of the references of the article supports this basic description of the puzzle; the most widely accessible of the references is https://johnrausch.com/PuzzleWorld/puz/hoffmans_packing_puzzle.htm, although the sentence in the article that most clearly supports the hook ("Its goal is to assemble ...") instead uses two book sources. Also, to forestall pedantry: the more technically correct word would be "congruent" rather than "equal", but I think "equal" conveys the meaning accurately enough while being more accessible. I also thought about using "identical" but the blocks in the image are obviously not identical even at 100px (they have different colors).

Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self-nominated at 02:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC).

20000 Varuna

Artist's impression of the Kuiper belt object Varuna as an ellipsoid
Artist's impression of the Kuiper belt object Varuna as an ellipsoid

Improved to Good Article status by Nrco0e (talk). Self-nominated at 21:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 18[edit]

HMS Melpomene (1794)

Moved to mainspace by Ykraps (talk). Self-nominated at 20:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC).

J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 10:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC).

Kogin-zashi

Sadahiko Hibino's 1788 illustration of Kogin-zashi pieces
Sadahiko Hibino's 1788 illustration of Kogin-zashi pieces

Created by Mccunicano (talk). Self-nominated at 06:34, 18 November 2019 (UTC).

So far this is only my third DYK nomination so QPQ shouldn't be necessary. I'll definitely do them after my fifth. The other two DYKs I submitted were Japan National Route 279 and Japan National Route 280. (talk Mccunicano 11:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Lynn Family Stadium

Created by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 06:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC).

William Chapple (surveyor)

Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self-nominated at 01:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC).

Special occasion holding area[edit]

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