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Count of DYK Hooks
Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
April 30	1
May 9	1
May 15	1
May 24	1
June 15	1
June 17	1
June 21	3	1
June 28	1	1
July 5	2	1
July 6	1
July 7	1
July 12	3	2
July 13	1	1
July 14	3	1
July 15	2	1
July 16	1
July 17	1	1
July 18	2	2
July 19	1	1
July 20	2	2
July 21	4	3
July 22	1	1
July 23	1	1
July 24	1	1
July 25	4	3
July 26	3	1
July 27	9	6
July 28	6	3
July 29	9	8
July 30	6	2
July 31	8	7
August 1	6	3
August 2	5	2
August 3	7	4
August 4	10	7
August 5	13	10
August 6	5	4
August 7	5	3
August 8	5	1
August 9	6	2
August 10	11	5
August 11	2
Total	157	91
Last updated 14:43, 11 August 2022 UTC Current time is 15:01, 11 August 2022 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators

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Frequently asked questions

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

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If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Instructions for reviewers

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

• Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
• Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
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  Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures

How to promote an accepted hook

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a Prep area

See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for details on verifying a hook's acceptability. Promoters should not promote their own nomination or their own review When promoting hooks intended for a particular date, keep in mind that when the number of available approved nominations exceeds 120 we switch to two sets per day, and when that number drops below 60 we return to one set per day. Check list for nomination review completeness 1) Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: . 2) Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed. a. Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting. 3) Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed. 4) Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot. 5) Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated). 6) Hook should make sense grammatically. 7) Try to vary subject matters within each prep area. 8) Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set. Steps to add a hook to prep In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote. In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to. 1) For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue. a. Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number. 2) Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot. a. Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end. b. Check that there's a bold link to the article. 3) If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template. 4) Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom 5) Check your work in the prep's Preview mode. a. At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake. 6) Save the Prep page. Closing the DYK nomination page At the upper left Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage Change |passed= to |passed=yes At the bottom Just above the line containing }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.--> insert a new, separate line containing one of the following: To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]] To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]] To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]] To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]] To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]] To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]] To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]] Also paste the same thing into the edit summary. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom. Save. For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources: To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]] To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]] To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]] To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]] To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]] To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]] To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

• Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
• In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
• Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
  • View the edit history for that page
  • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
  • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
• Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on May 9

Tenta, Cyprus

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

View of Tenta

• ... that Tenta (pictured) is an archaeological settlement in Cyprus? Source: Todd, Ian (1978). "Excavations at Kalavasos-Tenta, Cyprus". Archaeology. 31(4): 58–59 – via JSTOR

Created by Cstylus (talk). Self-nominated at 00:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC).

• @Cstylus: The hook isn’t interesting I think. What about...
  • ALT1: ... that Tenta's architectural remains, artefacts, human burials, flora and fauna have been "virtually unchanged for two millennia"?
  • ALT2: ... that Tenta's excavations suggests that there was considerable continuity in social organisation as well as technological and economic practices for two millennia?

Check these two hook and let me know if one of two works. Mehedi Abedin 16:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Mehediabedin:, I really appreciate your suggestions! I prefer ALT1. Cstylus (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

• I took a quick look at the article and there are a few issues. Firstly, the article was created way back in 2008, so it is not eligible as a new article. On the other hand, the article did receive a 5x expansion starting on May 9th. The article was nominated on May 17th, which is just a day late; however, as the nominator is a new student editor, that one-day lateness may be forgiven. Finally, the article has a "citation needed" tag that needs fixing. I didn't find any close paraphrasing, and most of the sources (including those for the hooks) are cited to sources I can't access so AGF. I think ALT1 is the best option here. This article is somewhat outside my expertise so I'd like a second opinion from a subject expert as well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

• I don't have access to the sources. Can anyone investigate the article for DYK? Mehedi Abedin 08:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

We may need some help from a subject expert. Maybe Buidhe can help? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I would not call myself an expert on Cyprus or archaeology (t · c) buidhe 02:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

The nominator hasn't edited in a month and the article hasn't been edited at all since June 15th. If another editor can adopt this nomination that would be great, but as it is the nomination is orphaned. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Ah, that would be a shame! I'd like to try to rescue this nom, but no guarantees (I need to check if I can access the sources, I might). @Narutolovehinata5: If I can't get it right, you can still fail it; but give me a week or two :) --LordPeterII (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I have started work on the article (can't access all sources but some), and have already solved the "citation needed" issue by just striking that sentence (was originally sourced to a predatory journal, and not important). --LordPeterII (talk) 10:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for taking over. Please let me know if you're finished improving the article. I've added you as a co-author. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Alright, I have gone through the article and checked things as best I could. The biggest issue was a complete lack of dating of the site (only the epoch was given); this is now in the lead section and infobox. Some other things were off (e.g. picture that showed Chinese pottery, probably ceramic even), but most info was solid. Btw, I have edited the nom picture, which I cropped in the article to not include an artificial frame. Although much could be done still to improve the article, nothing strikes me as particularly important or problematic for a DYK appearance – it would rather go towards a Good Article improvement maybe, which I don't have time for atm. So, in my opinion, this is ready for a review and should pass, with minor adjustments maybe.

--LordPeterII (talk) 14:24, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I forgot I meant to offer some alternate hooks for this:

• ALT3: ... that Tenta is protected by a large "tent"?
• ALT4: ... that the Neolithic people at Tenta built houses, but did their cooking mostly outside?
• ALT5: ... that people at Tenta built "first in stone and mudbrick, then entirely in mudbrick and finally entirely in stone"?
• ALT6: ... that the settlement of Tenta likely predates nearby Khirokitia by almost a millennium?
• ALT7: ... that people at Tenta likely imported cats and foxes for pest control?
• ALT8: ... that up to 150 people lived at Tenta, a settlement founded around 8000 BC?

ALT3 is maybe a bit tricky, because the structure is only described as "like a tent", and not actually a tent. It's also the least interesting in regards to actual article content, but an obvious hook idea. --LordPeterII (talk) 14:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Anyone? This still needs a review before it dies of old age :) --LordPeterII (talk) 07:58, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 15

Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that the 1979 Christian song "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" claims "Glory be to God on Earth"? Source: [1][2]
  • Reviewed: Solar power in Turkey

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC).

• @Gerda Arendt:, a good hook could be made by saying that this song is part of Neues Geistliches Lied, to express the interests of young people better than traditional hymns. The introduction to this article states says that the hymn is NGL, but the main body does not say it clearly. I will be happy to finish this review for you tomorrow! Flibirigit (talk) 22:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - ?
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - ?
• Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was created on May 15, and nominated on May 22, therefore new enough. Length is adequate. No plagiarism issues detected. QPQ has been done. The "Text and theme" section contains multiple quotes. As per WP:DYKCRIT, a citation needs to appear directly at the end of any sentence which includes a quote. The sentence which supports ALT0 needs a citation directly at the end. ALT0 is reasonably interesting. I am open to other hooks being proposed as per above. Flibirigit (talk) 16:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: Perhaps this can work? ALT1 ... that the hymn "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" is of a genre which aims to express the interests and ideas of young people better than traditional hymns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

That is a good hook about the genre, but not about this specific song. Sadly the title is too long for the translation "I praise my Lord who gets me out of the depths", in the sense of Psalm 130 (Out of the deep ...). I think "Glory to God on earth" - vs. the normal "Glory to God in the Highest" has some of the idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

I'll work more on a usage section, and hopefully find a better thing to say. Later today or tomorow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Will look for the changes. Flibirigit (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt:, please accept this courtesy reminder that no action has been made on this nomination during the week. Flibirigit (talk) 21:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry, terrible and happy events in real life. I looked further, and more sources stress the "on Earth" vs. "in the Highest" aspect. One newspaper describes it being sung on the Schlossplatz Stuttgart by the crowd gathered there of around 100.000, - that's probably more what you want. Should I add it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

The additional source will only help the article. A song sung by 100,000 persons could be hooky. Do you have other changes, or is it okay to go ahead with ALT0? Flibirigit (talk) 16:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I added it, and a hook could be:

ALT2: ... that around 250,000 people joined singing the refrain of the 1979 Christian song "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" at an evening event of the 2015 Kirchentag in Stuttgart?Source - I don't know how to say that usually only one of five in such a group actually sings ;) - Thank you for providing the cites to the quotes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I like ALT2, it's better than the original hook at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

ALT0 is now properly cited and mentioned inline, and verified by the source since I can read German. ALT0 is tentatively approved! ALT1 is struck as per the comments above by Gerda. I cannot think of a better way to word ALT1, so I will move on without it. As for ALT2, I am curious about the choice of "around 100,000". The source says, "Der Platz ist nun vollständig gefüllt, 250.000 Menschen sollen da sein." This seems to me to say estimated 250,000 people. Flibirigit (talk) 22:03, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

you are right, I wrote from (bad) memory, changed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

ALT0 and ALT2 approved as per above review. Flibirigit (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 and Flibirigit: Gerda brings up a reasonable problem with ALT2 – we can't verify how many people sang, only how large the crowd was and that many in the crowd sang. I prefer it over ALT0, so can either of you think of a snappy way to remove that mislead? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what exact wording would work, but one idea could be to mention that 250,000 was the crowd, then mention that the crowd sung but without making the direct connection that 250,000 people sung? It's kind of hard to explain, but basically something like "there was a crowd of 250,000, and later that crowd sung (but it's unknown if all 250,000 sung)". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

One would have to assume that this is dead on arrival, but I'll throw it out there anyway:

• ALT2a: ... that many in the 250,000-strong crowd helped sing the refrain of a 1979 Christian song during the 2015 Kirchentag?

Gerda, which details would you like to see put back in this hook? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I believe the original is easier, and dislike the pipe, because those reading German will immediately see that it alludes to Psalm 130 - which might be another hook possibility, thinking of Yoninah.

ALT2b: ... that at an evening event of the 2015 Kirchentag, "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" was performed on three stages for a crowd of around 250,000, and many joined for the refrain? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with that sentiment. Most readers of the English Wikipedia, including those reading the main page, do not understand German. People seeing the long title would not even realize that it is referring to a Psalm at all unless they know the language, and I doubt most readers do. I still think ALT2a is a better option here: it flows better, it's straight to the point, and I think the 250,000-strong crowd is a strong hook fact in on if itself. As such, I am approving ALT2a only; rest of the review per Flibirigit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with ALT2a, sorry, because "help" seems not a good word to say about people just singing along. I don't have a better word than "join". - I also disagree with your evaluation. The other day, we had a double nom with an author and his song Selig, wem Christus auf dem Weg begegnet. More people clicked the song than the author, although he came first. I think a longish German title may raise curiosity, while "a 1979 Christian song" will not, promised. What do you think, tlc? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

How about changing "helped sing" to simply "sung"? That way the context is "many in a crowd sang a song". It says that many sang the song, but it doesn't claim that all people in the song sang it (which was the concern raised about the earlier version). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Or how about, as a possible compromise, we could go with something like:

ALT2c ... that many in the 250,000-strong crowd sang the refrain of the Christian hymn Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt during the 2015 Kirchentag?

I'm still not sold on the full German song being mentioned here but if a promoter promoted this I wouldn't object. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Why was ALT0 struck without comment or explanation? Flibirigit (talk) 14:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Flibirigit, ALT0 was struck when Narutolovehinata5 posted I am approving ALT2a only at 21:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC). Having just read ALT0 myself, I think it's better struck; a Christian hymn claiming something about God is just not interesting. Some variant of the ALT2x proposals should work. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt:, how do you feel about ALT2c? Do you want to propose other hooks? Flibirigit (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: Gerda hasn't been responding to pings on her nominations over the last few days despite activity elsewhere. Would it be better to wait for her response or could the nomination move forward without her reply? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I returned from a funeral last night and have more important things to do than DYK fine-tuning, sorry. I believe that the mass singing is catchy, and don't mind you going that way, but I believe that "glory to God on earth" (vs. the normal "in the Highest") tells a lot more about the song (and is not just saying something about God). But again, popularity is also good to know about the song, and ALT2c works for me. It was sung in the last service I attended, and is often the choice for the Gloria when singing mass for a young audience. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

In ALT2c, the word "many" is not reflected in the prose of the "Use" section. Please note that a translation of the corresponding source is: "At the latest with the "Hallelujah" of the chorus, the whole Schlossplatz joins in." Flibirigit (talk) 15:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Has the above been resolved? Z1720 (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Why do you ping me? The hook without problems was the original - struck. Going for the sensational causes problems I can't solve. My experience with masses singing just is that perhaps a quarter sings, but that is no possible to source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: As the nominator, I wanted to give you the chance to resolve the concerns above and/or propose new ALTs and get this approved. I'm going to ping @Narutolovehinata5 and Flibirigit:, who might be able to propose an ALT hook for approval. Z1720 (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I based ALT2c on At the Kirchentag 2015 [de] in Stuttgart, the song was performed during an event called Abend der Begegnung (Evening of meeting) on the Schlossplatz with around 250,000 people attending; the song's verses were sung and played on three stages, and the crowd joined in the refrain. Originally, the proposal was to say the crowd itself sang the refrain, but Gerda said that not everyone in the crowd sang that part, hence the addition of "many". Either the prose has to be rephrased, or we may have to reword ALT2c further. As BlueMoonset said, the original hook is probably unsuitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

The article says: "... with around 250,000 people attending; the song's verses were sung and played on three stages, and the crowd joined in the refrain." It doesn't imply that each single person was singing. It doesn't have to be changed. I just can't say that short enough for a hook. Anybody? - None of the proposals above mentions "crowd" or some equivalent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 24

Richard Peck (RAF officer)

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that Air Vice-Marshal Richard Peck ensured the Royal Air Force ordered 50 de Havilland Mosquitos in 1940? Source: https://www.key.aero/article/far-better-we-thought
  • ALT1: ... that Air Vice-Marshal Richard Peck prevented the de Havilland Mosquito, which turned out to be an extremely versatile warplane, from being cancelled in 1940? Source: https://www.key.aero/article/far-better-we-thought

Created by Cagliost (talk). Self-nominated at 16:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC).

• The article is long enough and was new enough when nominated. The hook is 106 characters, so nice length, and is cited (behind a paywall, so AGF) . With only 2 DYK credits, QPQ is not applicable yet. The key issue is that the hook isn't interesting. A guy who's job it was to order military equipment ordered some military equipment? The hook needs to be re-written to show why his ordering the Mosquito was newsworthy. I can't read behind the paywall, but the hook should probably start off with something like, "despite the military being unsure of the value of the plane, ..." Once you've reworked the hook to show more context of why ordering the planes was controversial, ping me and I'll take another look. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
• Courtesy ping to Cagliost. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
  • I've put the paywalled text here. I've expanded the article a little. Basically the aircraft was almost cancelled because it wasn't clear that it would be suitable for any purpose. Even its champion, Freeman, almost cancelled it, but Peck persuaded him otherwise. It turned out to be extremely versatile and was used until the end of the war.

How about the ALT1 I've added? I don't want to make the hook too long, hopefully readers will infer (from the fact that it was almost cancelled) that it was controversial. Then they can click through to the article to find out why. cagliost (talk) 10:58, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• Courtesy ping to Onel5969. Did a bit of reordering in ALT1. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Air Vice-Marshal Richard Peck prevented the de Havilland Mosquito from being cancelled in 1940? Source: https://www.key.aero/article/far-better-we-thought

Brevity is the soul of wit. And hookiness. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:41, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that Air Vice-Marshal Richard Peck prevented the de Havilland Mosquito from being cancelled by ordering 50 of them in 1940?

Just a bit more explicit, I think it's important to say how he prevented it. Courtesy ping to Sammi Brie and Maury Markowitz for input. I think ALT2 would be okay, but I like ALT3 better. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:14, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

on ALT3, as cited in the url above. All else as original review above. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:25, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Cagliost and Maury Markowitz: Two statements were missing citations, which I have indicated in the article with citation needed tags. Can you resolve those before this is promoted to a prep set? Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 17:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Both are in the first ref. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:18, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I see Maury Markowitz has added references. Thanks all! cagliost (talk) 18:22, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Readding the tick so promoters know this is ready. Z1720 (talk) 19:18, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Maury Markowitz Z1720 The bit about cancelling isn't in the article. Why is it that multiple members were so worried about the hook that the article was never checked to see if it was there? SL93 (talk) 03:27, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Fixed, it is now in the article. cagliost (talk) 08:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Cagliost, Maury Markowitz, SL93, and Onel5969: reopening this as the hook fact doesn't seem to be exactly the same as what the article says. "Richard Peck prevented the de Havilland Mosquito from being cancelled by ordering 50 of them in 1940?" implies that it was Peck's decision to order them that directly prevented the cancellation; almost like he was being a bit stealthy or something by putting the order in before they had a chance to cancel on him? The article, however, says "In 1940 Peck ensured the RAF ordered 50 de Havilland Mosquitos for reconnaissance. This was planned to be one of the fastest aircraft of its time, but there had been disagreements about its purpose and it was almost cancelled" which to me says that Peck was influential in preventing the cancellation, but it wasn't *directly* his decision to order that saved the project. I don't have access to the source as it's behind a paywall (and perhaps that means it should be an AGF promotion?). Also, looking at the most recent tick it looks like the nominator approved their own hook here, which of course isn't allowed. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

PS - I've just seen that the source has been copied to a "paste bin" for us to view, (which is probably technically a copyvio, but an offsite one so that's on the OP rather than Wikipedia! Also it means we're technically still AGF that the uploaded text is the same as the original, but of course no reason do doubt that.) Anyway, having read the source myself, it appears that the hook fact is simply incorrect. The order of the 50 planes was made *before* the meeting on whether or they should cancel, so it was purely Peck's arguing for the case, rather than the order of the 50 planes itself, that saved the day. I think a modified or new hook will be required. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I've updated the article again. If this is unsatisfactory please feel free to be bold and change it to your liking. cagliost (talk) 13:25, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Oddly the key.aero article isn't paywalled for me. cagliost (talk) 13:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

ALT4 ... that in a "heated meeting" with Air Marshal Wilfrid Freeman, Air Vice-Marshal Richard Peck prevented the cancellation of the de Havilland Mosquito in 1940? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:50, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Still with us? Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz and BlueMoonset: sorry for the delay, I have been insanely busy of late, and now on vacation. The above hook is probably OK, but we would need to have everything mentioned in it covered by the article. If we're going to use (in quotes) the term "heated meeting", then that needs to be (a) in the article, (b) cited, and (c) attributed to someone - say in the article who called it that. If we can get to that point then I can reapprove. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Cagliost, Maury Markowitz, and Amakuru: Any updates on this? It's been almost two weeks since the last comment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

ALT5 ... the de Havilland Mosquito was almost cancelled in 1940, but Air Vice-Marshal Richard Peck persuaded Air Marshal Wilfrid Freeman to continue the programme? cagliost (talk) 15:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 15

Palu

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• ... that when Palu was chosen as the capital of Palu Regency, there were protests and conflicts between residents of it and the town of Donggala? Source: https://www.worldcat.org/title/sejarah-sosial-daerah-sulawesi-tengah-wajah-kota-donggala-dan-palu/oclc/15864232

Sementara keadaan Kota Donggala yang demikian, diadakan pembagian daerah Sulawesi Tengah dengan beslit gubemur Sulawesi tanggal 25 Oktober 1951 No. 633 yang menyatakan bahwa Sulawesi Tengah dibagi menjadi dua kabupaten yakni Kabupaten Poso dengan ibu Kota Poso dan Kabupaten Palu dengan ibu kota Palu. Dengan keluarnya beslit itu menjadikan Kota Donggala semakin kurang kemungkinan untuk dikembangkan. Peristiwa ini mengundang banyak protes dan pertentangan antara penduduk Palu dan Donggala. Untuk memperbaiki hubungan penduduk kedua kota tersebut yang telah menjadi tegang, maka A.R. Pettalolo mengajukan mosi pada tanggal 14 Nopember 1951 kepada gubernur · Sulawesi. Dengan mosi itu, maka diputuskanlah bahwa Kabupaten Palu diganti menjadi Kabupaten Donggala . dengan ibu kotanya berkedudukan di Palu (p 29)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/TFW No GF
• Comment: Copyedit will be very appreciated since im very bad at English and templates

5x expanded by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 14:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC).

• First review attempt. Seems like the article was new and long enough and no copyvio detected. The source seems to be an Indonesian history textbook, which indeed mentions the conflict (page 40). Suggest the cause of conflict be mentioned, e.g.: ... that when Palu was chosen as the capital of Palu Regency in 1951, citizens of the nearby Donggala town protested as it was seen as limiting Donggala's development potential as an economic center? PetéWarrior (talk) 18:26, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that when Palu was chosen as the capital of Palu Regency in 1951, citizens of the nearby Donggala town protested as it was seen as limiting Donggala's development potential as an economic center? Comment: I'm okay with any proposed alts since I put a lot of effort into expanding this 5x, as long as it appears on the mainpage Nyanardsan (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

• Hi Nyanardsan. It is new enough and long enough. QPQ present. AGF on the Indonesian-language hook fact source. I do see enough copyediting issues that I want to send this to the Guild of Copy Editors before approving it to appear on the Main Page and am submitting a request simultaneously with this review. GOCE is a resource that may be particularly valuable for you. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

• ALT1, by the way, is probably a bit long. Let me suggest a reword: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT1a: ... that the selection of Palu as capital of Palu Regency led to protests from the nearby town of Donggala, concerned they would lose out on economic development?

• @Petewarrior and Sammi Brie: Am I missing something re "new enough"? The article looks like it's been around for years, so it requires either 5x expansion or passing a GAN. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:51, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

• @SL93: I should have said "new enough and large enough expansion", which it is. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

• That should be @Sdkb:. Sorry about that. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

• Changed the description to 5x expanded to prevent further confusion. PetéWarrior (talk) 07:55, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

• The nominator is currently on a wikibreak and will be unable to respond to me here, but he DM'd me on WP:DISCORD and stated that "district head" should be changed to "regent" as regencies in Indonesia are headed by regents. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

• Clarification: The "district head" error was actually in another nom by the same nominator, which I have since rectified. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• I see that this is still awaiting its copy-edit treatment, but just wanted to say that I like ALT1a. And given Nyanardsan's statement from before their enforced wikibreak (I'm okay with any proposed alts since I put a lot of effort into expanding this 5x, as long as it appears on the mainpage), I think we can assume ALT1a would be okay for them as well. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 17

Supply-side progressivism

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• ... that supply-side progressives complain that the United States has closed more nuclear power plants than it has created this century? Source: Thompson, Derek (2022-01-12). "A Simple Plan to Solve All of America's Problems". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
  • Reviewed:

Created by Ruthgrace (talk) and Qzekrom (talk). Nominated by Ruthgrace (talk) at 18:15, 20 June 2022 (UTC).

• I am reviewing Template:Did you know nominations/William George Carlile Kent for the QPQ requirement. Ruthgrace (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
• Thanks for writing an interesting new article! This is pretty close, but I believe the hook needs adjusting. "Progressives" is plural in the hook, but from what I can tell, the cited article is one person's analysis, so this isn't quite precise. For maximum strength of hook, I'd also suggest basing a hook in whatever you have that's close to being an independent secondary source (maybe the Irwin article?) rather than one of the opinion pieces.

Other elements look good though. Recency check: author nominated the article on June 20, and it was moved to mainspace on June 16. Article is more than long enough. It has a good density of citations; I went through all the citations, and much of it is cited to opinion pieces, but that seems appropriate for the subject matter when framed appropriately (and I checked the framing). Hook is short enough. Topic is of interest to a broad audience. Dreamyshade (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Just to say that I have tweaked the hook, replacing "it's" with "it has" for formal writing. BTW, Ruthgrace, you are still QPQ-exempt as it's your first nomination but thank you for tackling that. I'll look over your review to make sure that you haven't missed anything (DYK is a complex business, after all). Schwede66 02:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC) done; looks all good Schwede66 03:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

• Made a minor formatting change to the hook per MOS:USA. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:57, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Ruthgrace, Qzekrom, and Dreamyshade: Any suggestions on ALT hooks? Z1720 (talk) 01:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I have been struggling to think of an alt hook that is nearly as interesting as a DYK. Ruthgrace (talk) 04:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

OK how about this?

• Alt 1 ... that supply-side progressives complain about how environmental regulations make it hard to build renewable energy plants, while oil and gas drilling are mostly exempt.

Sources:

• Thompson, Derek (2022-01-12). "A Simple Plan to Solve All of America's Problems". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
• Yglesias, Matthew (November 2, 2021). "Energy innovation needs more than R&D". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-15.

• Alt 2 ... that instead of conserving energy, supply-side progressives believe that we need an abundance of energy, especially clean energy, to continue human progress.

Sources:

• Yglesias, Matthew (October 7, 2021). "The case for more energy". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-03.
• Pritzker, Rachel (December 12, 2014). "The Case for Energy Abundance". Stanford Social Innovation Review. Retrieved 2022-06-15.

Ruthgrace (talk) 01:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@Ruthgrace: I don't know how much this applies to DYKs, but I think it would be good to rewrite these in an encyclopedic tone. For example, first- and second-person pronouns like "we" should be avoided: "supply-side progressives believe that we need an abundance of energy, especially clean energy, to continue human progress" → "supply-side progressives believe that abundant, clean energy is important for continued human progress". Similarly, the first alt could be reworded to avoid "complain about how".

Also, when describing a point of view, it's important to be specific about who is expressing that point of view. Claims like "supply-side progressives believe X" are vague. Which individuals believe X, and are they really supply-side progressives or not?

Here are some example hooks that fit the encyclopedic mold better IMO (we can use more interesting ones):

• ... that Matthew Yglesias and Derek Thompson are associated with the supply-side progressivism movement?
• ... that Ezra Klein, a journalist associated with the supply-side progressivism movement, supports increasing housing production in cities?

Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 13:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Good point. Is this any better?

• ALT 1.1: ... that supply-side progressives call attention to the fact that environmental regulations make it hard to build renewable energy plants, while oil and gas drilling are mostly exempt?

Sources:

• Thompson, Derek (2022-01-12). "A Simple Plan to Solve All of America's Problems". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
• Yglesias, Matthew (November 2, 2021). "Energy innovation needs more than R&D". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-15.

Ruthgrace (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 21

Julie Ngungwa

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Julie Ngungwa at UN ceremony

• ... that in June, Julie Ngungwa (pictured) became the new governor of the province of Tangayika as the United Nations stabilisation force left? Source: The source is a photo caption but the United Nations is a creditable source and other sources contribute.

** ALT1: ... that the new governor of the province of Tangayika, Julie Ngungwa (pictured), was ceremonially given the keys by Bintou Keita, the head of the United Nations stabilisation force? Source: The source is a photo but the United Nations is a creditable source.

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Irene Parlby
  • Comment: Not sure its approporiate to include in the article lede that the province of Tangayika is larger than England so feel free to delete it, however its useful to mention here as she leads 3m people in an unstable part of her country. Feel free to improve before its approved.

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 09:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC).

• Don't see how this meets the interestingness requirements. I expect such ceremonies are common in places where UN forces are present. Why not write a hook based on accomplishments besides just holding an office. (t · c) buidhe 08:23, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

amazed. The hook has failed to communicate. Imagine if England had been occupied by a UN force of 1000s from a dozen countries including troops and police for years and years - and the UN Deputy General's rep had turned up to say that were withdrawing in the hope that the 100s of people killed in regular massacres might be ending, but they would be in nearby Scotland if required. This happens once in a lifetime, hopefully. Victuallers (talk) 08:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but the context is not clear in the hook, and hooks should not assume too much knowledge from readers. The fact that the hook has indeed "failed to communicate" probably means that a new hook is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Having said that, I think the first hook may have some potential if additional context is given, but I think ALT1 should be dropped. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

..alt2 ... that in June, UN forces left most of the province of Tangayika (ceremony pictured) leaving only two of Julie Ngungwa's territories in the "triangle of death"? Source:triangle of death etc

@Narutolovehinata5: A hook that communicates, I hope, that this isn't routine? Victuallers (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I think ALT2 is better than ALT1. @Buidhe: Thoughts on it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

• Respectfully, as someone who's been editing on Congo topics and following events in the Congo on and off for several years, UN troops being shuffled around is well, something rather mundane at this point. The DYK itself isn't really about the subject it purports to be (her), I think it would be better to have something more specific to Ngungwa, not events happening around her. -Indy beetle (talk) 15:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Indy beetle: Respectfully - the hook isnt aimed at you. Your knowledge here is interesting but it doesnt effect the hookiness. It may be passe to you but our average reader wouldnt know that there is a UN force in the DRC, I have been following events in the DRC too for several years and I cannot remember a similar incident. Have I missed several this year? Maybe we can do a hook based on the large number if you have a few refs? As you know the province in question is about the same size as the UK so I'm intrigued to see that they can move UN forces in and out of it routinely. Victuallers (talk) 11:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

• Seems this nomination is at an impasse. @Buidhe: Can to take another look at this? Or if you're unable to, maybe a new reviewer is needed here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:24, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

That would be fine! Even if the withdrawals of UN troops do happen routinely then Alt2 still looks hooky to me and Buildhe seemed to agree. Victuallers (talk) 10:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

• Suggesting an ALT3: ... that the election of Julie Ngungwa (pictured), Ritha Bola and Isabelle Kalenga as Congolese governors in 2021 was seen as significant for gender equality as no women governors had been elected in the previous election? Source: [3] Lajmmoore (talk) 10:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: ALT3 is above 200 characters; can it be shortened? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT3a: ... that the 2021 election of Julie Ngungwa (pictured), and two other women as Congolese governors is significant for gender equality as no women were appointed in the previous election? Source: [4]

Thanks for checking my counting @Narutolovehinata5: I think this is on 200? Lajmmoore (talk) 11:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

It's actually 171 characters (excluding pictured) which should make it just fine. The topic is somewhat outside my comfort zone so I won't approve it myself, but I hope either Buidhe or another editor comes along and finishes the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Rubicon (protein)

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Atomic structure of Rubicon (red) bound to switch molecule Rab7

• ... that deleting the protein Rubicon (shown) increases lifespan and reduces age-related disease in mice, flies, and worms? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146/

  From the abstract: "Consistent with this idea, knockdown of Rubicon extends worm and fly lifespan and ameliorates several age-associated phenotypes. Tissue-specific experiments reveal that Rubicon knockdown in neurons has the greatest effect on lifespan. Rubicon knockout mice exhibits reductions in interstitial fibrosis in kidney and reduced α-synuclein accumulation in the brain."

  • ALT1: ... that genetically crossing (out) the protein Rubicon (shown) reduces hallmarks of aging in roundworms, fruit flies, and mice? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146/

    From the abstract: "Consistent with this idea, knockdown of Rubicon extends worm and fly lifespan and ameliorates several age-associated phenotypes. Tissue-specific experiments reveal that Rubicon knockdown in neurons has the greatest effect on lifespan. Rubicon knockout mice exhibits reductions in interstitial fibrosis in kidney and reduced α-synuclein accumulation in the brain."

  • ALT2: ... that when crossing out Rubicon (shown), the time to die is cast later in roundworms and female fruit flies? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146/

    From the abstract: "Consistent with this idea, knockdown of Rubicon extends worm and fly lifespan and ameliorates several age-associated phenotypes. Tissue-specific experiments reveal that Rubicon knockdown in neurons has the greatest effect on lifespan. Rubicon knockout mice exhibits reductions in interstitial fibrosis in kidney and reduced α-synuclein accumulation in the brain."

  • ALT3: ... that genetic deletion of Rubicon reduces hallmarks of aging in roundworms, fruit flies, and mice? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146/

    Frome the abstract: "Consistent with this idea, knockdown of Rubicon extends worm and fly lifespan and ameliorates several age-associated phenotypes. Tissue-specific experiments reveal that Rubicon knockdown in neurons has the greatest effect on lifespan. Rubicon knockout mice exhibits reductions in interstitial fibrosis in kidney and reduced α-synuclein accumulation in the brain."

• • Reviewed:

Created by Prodigiousfool (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC).

• It's a very interesting fact and the source on it is excellent. Unfortunately, I don't think the article qualifies per WP:DYKRULES as it was neither created, expanded fivefold, or promoted to GA status within seven days before the nomination. PianoUpMyNose (talk) 13:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
  • It was moved to mainspace on June 20, so it qualifies. I'm currently in the process of reviewing it in detail, though it takes quite some time as it is all rather technical. TompaDompa (talk) 13:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
    • You're right. This was my first review and I completely missed that. My mistake. PianoUpMyNose (talk) 19:08, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - What's cited is that Rubicon deletion increases lifespan in (female fruit) flies and (round)worms and reduces (hallmarks of) age-related disease in mice. The current hook phrasing implies that it also increases lifespan in mice.
• Interesting: N - The proposed hook is rather dull. For a protein called Rubicon, I would suggest seizing the opportunity to make a humorous reference to crossing the Rubicon. Two possibilities off the top of my head would be "crossing out Rubicon" (i.e. performing a gene knockout) and making a pun on the multiple meanings of "die" (considering the English translation of Alea iacta est). Some other punny reference to Julius Caesar could also work.

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Y Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: Y

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article moved to mainspace on 20 June, and is well beyond the required minimum length. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable. Earwig reveals no copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. The picture meets the requirements, inasmuch as any ribbon diagram of a protein can be "clear", though it doesn't aid the readers' understanding much and I think this might be better as a "quirky" DYK entry (typically placed last) than as the top entry—but I'll leave that decision to the promoter (not that kind). This is the nominator's first nomination, so they are QPQ exempt. On account of this all being rather technical, I'll never be able to entirely rule out having missed some disqualifying issue with the content and will eventually just have too WP:Assume good faith. That being said, spot-checking did reveal some issues that will need to be addressed. Since this is basically all WP:Biomedical information, the sourcing requirements are fairly strict. My comments:

• one of the few known negative regulators of autophagy – "one of the few known" is key here, and I didn't find that in the cited source. I did however find Rubicon is one of very few known broadly acting negative regulators of autophagy in reference 8 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/).
• cytosolic materials should probably be "cellular components".
• impairs the autophagosome-lysosome fusion step of autophagy through inhibition of PI3KC3-C2 – It seems to me that the source to cite here is reference 8 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/), which says "Rubicon disrupts autophagosome–lysosome fusion by inhibiting the class III phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase complex 2 (PI3KC3-C2)" rather than the sources it cites in the spirit of WP:Cite reviews, don't write them. It would at any rate have saved me as DYK reviewer a considerable amount of time in checking that the claims in the article are supported by the sources.
• Lysosome should be linked.
• Reference 13 and 14 are duplicates (both link to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146). So are reference 5 and 12 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664389); reference 7, 10, and 25 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6450660); and reference 8, 20, and 23 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272).
• The WP:LEAD says Rubicon has been shown to positively regulate LC3-associated phagocytosis (LAP) and LC3-associated endocytosis (LANDO) whereas the body says Rubicon is required for LC3-associated phagocytosis (LAP) and LC3-associated endocytosis (LANDO). Is it a positive regulator or required?
• direct interaction with multiple effector molecules – is "effector molecules" really the right term here?
• The Rubicon homology domain is rich in histidine and cysteine residues – cysteine, yes, but histidine? Of the four zinc fingers, two have 3:1 cysteine:histidine ratios and the other two 4:0.
• The C-terminal Rubicon homology domain mediates interaction with Rab7, and is shared by other RH domain-containing autophagy regulatory proteins, including PLEKHM1 and Pacer (also known as RUBCNL, Rubicon-like Autophagy Enhancer). is unsourced, though I think reference 8 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/) would do.
• The sources discuss inhibition of autophagosome maturation a great deal, but this article doesn't mention it at all.
• conformational should link to protein conformation.
• Rubicon recruits PI3KC3 to phagosomes – what the source says is that in the absence of Rubicon, Beclin1, UVRAG, and VPS34 recruitment was reduced, suggesting that Rubicon plays a role in the retention of the complex at the LAPosome.
• in some cases exacerbate infection – this is a statement about the clinical course of the infection. What the source says is that it facilitates viral replication. More viral replication does not necessarily translate to a worse clinical infection.
• Rubicon suppresses interferon and cytokine responses – interferons are a subgroup of cytokines, so this is phrasing is a bit odd. I would also link interferon and cytokine.
• The sentence Since reduced autophagy is associated with decreased lifespan and increase susceptibility to disease, therapeutic modulation of Rubicon is of great interest in aging and age-related diseases. categorically needs to be sourced.
• I can maybe accept using "flies" to refer to Drosophila melanogaster—though I would really prefer "fruit flies"—but not using "worms" to refer to C. elegans since the reader is likely to interpret it as meaning earthworms rather than roundworms if they don't look up C. elegans, which they are not likely to do. The names of the species should also be rendered in italics.
• Rubicon knockout increases lifespan in worms (C. elegans) and flies (D. melanogaster) through modulation of autophagy. – The source attributes this to autophagy modulation for the former (C. elegans Rubicon regulates lifespan via modulating autophagy.) but not for the latter as far as I can see. Moreover, this only applies to female D. melanogaster, according to the source (whole body dRubicon knockdown slightly but significantly extended the lifespan in female specific manner).
• The mutation that causes Salih ataxia should be further explained as a single-nucleotide deletion and a link to frameshift mutation should be included somewhere.
• the Rubicon C-Terminal domain and RH domain – the RH domain is the C-terminal domain, no?
• This is consistent with subsequent structural studies investigating the Rubicon:Rab7 interface. – this seems to be your WP:ANALYSIS.
• See Also should be "See also" with a lowercase "a".

Ping Prodigiousfool. TompaDompa (talk) 23:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

• Following edits by Prodigiousfool and a few additional ones by me, the content-related issues have now been sufficiently resolved. The article still doesn't discuss authophagosome maturation, but that's not required for DYK (it would however be necessary to cover that aspect if this were nominated for WP:Good article status). A better hook and this is good to go. TompaDompa (talk) 12:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
  • @TompaDompa: thanks for your attention. I've updated the hook above per suggestions and discussion on the Talk page. I'll try to work on the article to discuss autophagosome maturation in the near future; that's definitely a good idea. - Prodigiousfool
    • For the record, the talk page in question is Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rubicon (protein) (not the article talk page). I've restored the old hook suggestion and labelled the new one ALT1 for ease of following the discussion. That being said, I don't think ALT1 is particularly "hooky" either; the idea is that the reader will be enticed to click the link to the article, which is kind of undercut by explaining the joke too much. I would suggest something along the lines of ... that when crossing out Rubicon, the time to die is cast later in roundworms and female fruit flies? to get a pun on crossing the Rubicon and Alea iacta est both. TompaDompa (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
      • @TompaDompa: Updated ALT1 based on your suggestion. I like the phrasing, though my intuition before was that something like that is too obfuscated for a general audience. I defer, of course, to your experience here! -- Prodigiousfool
        • Again, I've restored the previous version of ALT1 and labelled the edited version ALT2 for ease of following the discussion. I wouldn't say I'm all that experienced when it comes to DYK matters. Anyway: I agree that the hook is a bit opaque, but I think the double pun makes up for it. The point of the hook is after all to entice the reader to click the bolded link and read the article, and I would personally be more inclined to do so if I saw ALT2 on the main page than if it were slightly more clear but less humorous. However, before this appears on the WP:Main page somebody else will look at it to promote it to a prep or queue—and they may very well disagree with me if they find "the time to die is cast later" too awkward a phrasing and/or the pun on "the die is cast" too subtle. I wouldn't blame them, and it's precisely because there are additional layers of checking that I am comfortable approving it. With all that said: ALT2 is ready. TompaDompa (talk) 16:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

As discussed on the DYK talk page, it needs a new hook. Schwede66 09:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to nominate ALT3: "... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon reduces hallmarks of aging in roundworms, fruit flies, and mice?". I know that TompaDompa finds this form uninspiring (see their comments on the similar ALT1), however I'd argue that both to scientific and general audiences this is an interesting piece of information. From a scientific perspective, this protein was discovered and its function elucidated quite recently, and as the article says it is a potential target for novel therapeutics. To a general audience, the concept of aging mitigation is likely of interest and the Rubicon article can provide a gateway to reading about multiple related topics, including autophagy. I don't think the fact that the results originate from model organisms detracts from the hook, especially given the lack of controlled aging trials in humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prodigiousfool (talk • contribs) 05:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

The original hook and ALT1 and ALT2 all having been rejected on the DYK talk page, ALT3 needs to be reviewed. (I've edited the version just above so it matches what's given up top for the same ALT3.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think the wording in ALT3 is not matched in the article. The article does not state that Rubicon's deletion increases the lifespan in mice (although other benefits are given) and the article says that it increases the lifespan of roundwords and fruit flies, not "reducing hallmarks of aging". I'm suggesting an ALT below:

ALT4: ... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon increases the lifespan of roundworms and fruit flies?

@Prodigiousfool and TompaDompa: Thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Z1720: I would contend that the 'hallmarks of aging' phrasing is consistent with the citation, as it does not imply actual aging, but I defer to your judgment here. – Prodigiousfool

As I indicated at WT:DYK, I don't think the fact that performing a specific knockout extends lifespans in Caenorhabditis elegans and female Drosophila melanogaster is terribly interesting in itself; these animals are used for genetic studies because it's practical (short lifespans and so on), and there is no reason to expect this to translate to humans (it doesn't even translate to male D. melanogaster). That being said, I'm not going to protest if somebody else approves such a hook. TompaDompa (talk) 19:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Prodigiousfool: My concern with ALT 3 was not that it was not reflected in the source, but rather that it is not present in the article itself. If hallmarks of aging is the prefered language, then that should be put in the article. @TompaDompa: I find ALT3/4 to be interesting, as increasing life in animals could have ramifications in other species, like himans. If you do not think ALT3/4 are interesting then please propose new ALTs. Z1720 (talk) 01:52, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not going to review this nomination but I do think that ALT4 is a decent hook. Can we go with it if there's no article/sourcing issues with it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I support ALT4. Alternatively ALT5: ... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon is associated with reduction of aging-associated diseases in mice, roundworms, and fruit flies? I'd be happy with either being reviewed and putting this issue to rest. Tag Z1720, Narutolovehinata5. – Prodigiousfool

I haven't checked the article but I think ALT4 is a better hook since it's simpler. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: The article itself has already been reviewed. The only thing that is needed is a new hook. The difficulty with pages like this is coming up with a hook that is interesting without insinuating more significance than is warranted. In this case, the issue I have with ALT3/ALT4/ALT5 is that what would make it interesting is the implicit suggestion that this might have medical implications for humans, which is not warranted. To my eye, we're either making too strong a claim (if we are indeed implying that this could have implications for humans) or stating something that is rather dull (if we are not). Others might disagree, of course. Another angle that might be pursued in crafting an interesting hook is that the protein appears to have been independently discovered/characterized as part of investigations of autophagy[5] and Salih ataxia[6][7], though this is not currently mentioned in the article. By the way, I discovered this article which appears (I haven't read the article in detail) to contradict the article about Rubicon's role in LAP. This should be resolved. TompaDompa (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

... implicit suggestion that this might have medical implications for humans. Personally I didn't see that connection at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 5

Transgender genocide

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• ... that Adam Jones has described violence against transgender people in Brazil as "unquestionably gendercidal"? Source: Jones, Adam (2016). Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction (3rd ed.). London: Routledge. pp. 745–746. ISBN 9781138823846.
  • ALT1: ... that Fritz Kitzing was sent to the Lichtenburg and Sachsenhausen concentration camps because of their transgender identity? Source: LGBTQ+ Stories from the Holocaust: Fritz Kitzing
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Noting that this is my first DYK nomination.

Created by ProfGray (talk) and ThadeusOfNazereth (talk). Nominated by ThadeusOfNazereth (talk) at 10:58, 6 July 2022 (UTC).

• @ProfGray and ThadeusOfNazereth: Welcome to DYK! (I've reviewed 500+ articles at DYK, but this one is like a gut punch to review.) The article is new enough, long enough, sufficiently cited, has no copyvio concerns and no formatting issues. ALT0 would be AGF. ALT1 seems fine. However, I note that the merge discussion (which seems like it's being opposed) and orange dispute tags must be resolved before this nomination progresses. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

• Repinging ProfGray and ThadeusOfNazereth due to spelling error. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

• Understood, thanks Sammi Brie. For some reason I thought I had already put the nomination on hold when that happened. Hopefully we'll be able to reopen soon. Can you clarify one thing? When you say "ALT0 would be AGF", are you saying you're assuming good faith that it's an accurate representation since you can't access, or is that a different abbreviation unique to DYK? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)^{Talk to Me!} 19:34, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

• The nomination remains active, and we can reevaluate in a week or two depending on the progress of talk page discussions. Yes, ThadeusOfNazereth, that is the correct meaning of AGF here. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

• I have accessed a pdf version of the book, and I can confirm that this is what Adam Jones wrote. The relevant quote is this: In recent years, as gay rights have become gradually more accepted and respected, the burden of atrocity has increasingly targeted transgender women and male transvestites. The country with by far the highest—unquestionably gendercidal—levels of such violence is Brazil, where “an estimated 326 trans people were reported killed” in 2014, or “one person every 27 hours.”, cited to this source, which itself relies on a report in Prensa Latina, a Cuban state newswire agency, and Prensa Latina cites official Brazil govt statistics. IMHO that isn't exactly showing best citation practices, but the hook is indeed verified and the author is a subject-matter expert, so yeah, that's fine. That said, I don't feel like reviewing topics I have little idea about. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
• Also, ALT1 might not be very interesting because, even though Fritz Kitzing seems to be often used as a case to show that the Nazis were oppressive towards transgender people, he is not otherwise known for anything else. I'd prefer either a quantifier (e.g. 90% of trans people who went to Dr. Hirschfeld's consultancy in Berlin went to concentration camps) or showing a better known transgender person, if there is any. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 6

2022 Iran–Greece naval incident

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• Article history )

• ... that two Greek tankers were taken by the Iranian military in reprisal for Greece assisting with the United States in seizing an Iranian-flagged tanker? Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranian-flagged-tanker-greece-tugged-piraeus-port-2022-07-02/
  • ALT1: ... that the Iranian military seized two Greek tankers in retaliation for Greece assisting with the United States in seizing a tanker flying the Iranian flag?Source:https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-05-26/iranian-oil-tankers-cargo-seized-in-greece-after-us-request
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment:

Created by Aye1399 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC).

• New enough and long enough. QPQ-exempt (3rd nomination). Hook fact checks out. Made some formatting fixes and added one additional reference. No textual issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:49, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
• I have reopened this due to some concerns I have about the accuracy of the hook and the article. I am going to have to take a closer look at the sources before taking this one further. Gatoclass (talk) 14:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
• @Gatoclass: Are you still planning to take a look at this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:09, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I just haven't been able to find any time for Wikipedia over the past few days. Gatoclass (talk) 03:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Gatoclass: It's been about a week since you stopped this, If you think you won't have time in the next 2-3 days, I can reguest for a new reviewer.Aye1399 (talk) 08:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 7

Claudia Winterstein

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• ... that future legislator Claudia Winterstein's plans to become an architect were hindered by the Berlin Wall?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Island No. 2
  • Comment: Not quite done, I'll keep working – either one of the co-conspirators, of course, are free to workshop the hook or suggest new ones :)

5x expanded Gerda Arendt (talk) and Theleekycauldron (talk). Nominated by Theleekycauldron (talk) at 10:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC).

• The article checks out when it comes to newness and length, and I didn't find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has also been done. The hook is interesting, but the relevant footnote does not appear in the relevant sentence but rather afterwards. There's also a minor linking error in the article (one of the sentences links to in West Berlin instead of West Berlin). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I also think the hook could be slightly reworded: "future legislator" is concise but also sounds off to me. Maybe it's because she's no longer a legislator? Maybe explaining where she was a legislator would work better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

She was the CEO of her party in the national parliament (Bundestag), but I don't know how to say Parlamentarische Geschäftsführerin in English, - the article given in English is certainly not it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Vami IV informed me on WP:DISCORD that "Parlamentarischer Geschäftsführer" links to Party whip in English, so maybe that's what should be used in the article? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:28, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 I also informed you right above, saying that it is certainly a bad correlation, probably because the German Bundestag is organized differently than the U.S. parliament. There is no "whipping", but leading her (small) party's fraction in parliament. If there is a good word for that in English, it can be used, but Party whip would be misleading.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Party whips also exist in the UK parliament (indeed, a controversy with a deputy party whip was the direct cause of PM Boris Johnson's resignation). They don't literally "whip" members of parliament from what I understand, but rather merely direct party members to follow orders. I admittedly am not too familiar with party whips in general, but my understanding is that it's the closest equivalent. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

On the other hand, it's possible that "party leader in the Bundestag" would be a more appropriate description. I can't speak German and I'm largely unfamiliar with German politics, I'm only basing this on what Vami told me. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:06, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

(Asked to comment; do note: I am an American who has never been to Germany, does not speak German, and does not really understand Germany) If Wintersein's mandate was less enforcing party discipline in the Bundestag ("whipping") and more representing or leading her party's faction in the parliament, then perhaps "parliamentary representative" would suffice? Google Translate... translates "Geschäftsführer" as "managing director" - perhaps a translation in that vein would suffice? –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 06:07, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

(several edit conflicts:) I hope you'll forgive me not mentioning UK also, on a day pleasantly busy with company, church, biking, opera. I understand that it's not literal whipping, but caring for uniformity in votes within a party. - If the closest equivalent is misleading it should not be used, imho. - After edit conflicts: the normal way to translate Geschäftsführer in companies is CEO, - "managing director" might work. Anyway: that is a high position, and the weak "legislator" does no justice to it, if you ask me. But I bite my tongue about saying something about the subject where the subject is forced by circumstances (such as "stranded") instead of being active. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:16, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Vami IV: according to de:Parlamentarischer Geschäftsführer, the post does carry a lot of duties that are similar to a U.S. House Whip – both are responsible for intra-party coordination and management. Both make sure that the party's legislators show up to votes on time. It looks like only the American position is responsible for getting members to vote the way they're "supposed" to, though. Otherwise, the German position has slightly more power, in that they prepare meetings of the Fraktionen und in Besprechungen. The U.S. whip basically just coordinates strategy with their party leader or speaker, in that respect. I'll also say that there does appear to be a de:Fraktionsvorsitzender more akin to what we Yanks would call the majority/minority leader.

Also, for what it's worth, the machine translation of Parlamentarischer Geschäftsführer gives me this:

In Anglo-Saxon-speaking countries, they are called Party Whip (based on the fox-hunting whip) because they are responsible for disciplining voting behavior.

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm just gonna cut the line from the article if we don't get past this argument? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 17:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt, Theleekycauldron, and Narutolovehinata5: Where are we with this nomination? Z1720 (talk) 19:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the original hook is fine, the main issue with the article right now is regarding Winterstein's role as a "Parlamentarischer Geschäftsführer". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:40, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

What is the issue? The position is completely different in Germany (where there are more parties), so we can not use the English term for it without an explanation, and think the English term is plain misleading, so we better use the German (which we do), and perhaps explain. "Geschäftsführer" is "Executive officer". However we handle that: "future legislator" is too pale for my taste, it doesn't even say on a national level. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Can someone point me to what the issue actually is? If anyone has any material changes they want to make to the article or hook, that should be arranged. If not, let's please move this forward. In any case, is this really relevant to the DYK criteria? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 15:59, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure. In reality the original hook's fact was probably okay, my only concern was the vagueness of "legislator". Maybe just mention that she used to be in the Bundestag? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Mentioning the national parliament would be better, because "legislator" could be also just in a town or state parliament. However, why not say that she lead her party there? Even if that party is small. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

That's what bogged down the nomination in the first place, how to translate "Parlamentarischer Geschäftsführer". We could probably just go with just mentioning the Bundestag without mentioning the "she led the party" part, since we can't seem to get into an agreement on how to translate that title, and keeping the German without translation is probably not ideal. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I have no intention to argue further, tried to stay away as much as possible as just supported adding most of the content, but not the creator. Why can't we say what I just did, "led her party"? Breaking my promise to self no to word any hook here:

ALT1: ... that after Claudia Winterstein dropped plans to become an architect because of the Berlin Wall, she led her party as a member of the Bundestag?

Swallowing that I don't need the dropped plans at all :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I think ALT1 is good (save for one comma which I've removed). @Theleekycauldron: Are you okay with ALT1? I'm ready to approve it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 12

Point and Shoot (Better Call Saul)

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• ... that actor Bob Odenkirk suffered a heart attack after shooting for 12 hours on "Point and Shoot"? Source: https://ew.com/tv/bob-odenkirk-collapsed-rushed-hospital/
  • ALT1: ... that actor Bob Odenkirk suffered a heart attack after a 12-hour shooting session for "Point and Shoot"? Source: https://ew.com/tv/bob-odenkirk-collapsed-rushed-hospital/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William_Hatfield_(sailor)

5x expanded by FishandChipper (talk). Self-nominated at 09:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC).

• The QPQ was properly completed and this article has been expanded sufficiently, with an appropriate size. However, the Copyvio score shows overquoting from The Hollywood Reporter, you need to remove or replace the Evening Standard per WP:RSP and the source cited here does not mention him having a heart attack after 12 hours. Once these issues are resolved, this should be good to go I think! K. Peake 06:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed the Evening Standard but I believe The Hollywood Reporter source does indeed say that it was after filming for 12 hours he had the heart attack, quote: "Banks jumped in to declare, “Bobby was dead. Three times with the [defibrillator] paddles,” as Seehorn explained the moment from her view, when she and Fabian were 12 hours into filming with Odenkirk." Also how exactly do you think the overquoting should be resolved? This is my first nomination so I'm kinda new to this.FishandChipper 🐟🍟 09:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

FishandChipper The remaining issue is in the article itself and that can be fixed by putting parts of the quote(s) into your own words; sorry for the late response, I have been busy elsewhere on this site! K. Peake 11:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 14

Fannie Salter

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Fannie Salter tending the bell at Turkey Point Light

• ... that Fannie Salter (pictured) was personally appointed keeper of Turkey Point Light by U.S. president Calvin Coolidge? Source: https://www.history.uscg.mil/Browse-by-Topic/Notable-People/All/Article/1862540/fannie-may-salter-lighthouse-keeper/
  • Reviewed: (First nomination by this nominator — exempt)

5x expanded Improved to GA by Lindsey40186 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC).

• Hi there, Lindsey40186, and welcome to DYK! Unfortunately, it looks like you're shy of a 5x expansion – not by length, mind you, but by time. A 5x expansion, unfortunately, needs to take place in under a week – it looks like, start to finish, this began on June 25. Presently, this would need to reach 25,840B, and I don't think that's feasible. However, you've done some really great work, and this looks like it's pretty close to GA-ready – how about you nominate it there, and we'll revisit this if it passes? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:12, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
• This article has passed GA and may be reviewed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: Y
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: N - n

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Y Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: There are several passages that are too closely paraphrased and need to be rewritten. --evrik ^(talk) 21:27, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lindsey40186: Have you resolved the above concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:38, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 15

Mandla Lamba

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Tshepo Motsepe and Cyril Ramaphosa

• ALT0:... that fraudster Mandla Lamba rose to fame by passing himself off as a billionaire mining tycoon who owned gold, diamond and manganese mines in three different African countries? (claim to fame)
  • ALT1: ... that "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba hired three bodyguards in order to project a public image of extensive wealth, but failed to pay the security company for their services? (irony)
  • ALT2: ... that "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba lambasted journalists who wrote an exposé on him, accusing them of being part of a plot to harass and discredit him? (pun)
  • ALT3: ... that in 2010, future South African President Cyril Ramaphosa personally phoned in to a radio show to refute claims that he and his wife Tshepo Motsepe (both pictured) had mentored "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba? (unusual personal intervention)
  • ALT4: ... that "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba was called the "Black Economic Empowerment Houdini" by a South African news outlet for successfully evading arrest by the police? (nickname)
  • ALT5: <.. that in October 2010, police in Johannesburg mistakenly arrested, then released "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba without realising that he was a wanted person? (surprising bungle)
  • ALT6: ... that in July 2021, "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba appeared on influencer Somizi Mhlongo's Instagram channel to promote his electric vehicle company, offering shares at a "special" 90% discount? (most recent high-profile activity)
  • ALT7: ... that South African banks Investec, Capitec and Absa have all refuted claims by "fake billionaire" Mandla Lamba of having business relationships with them? (modus operandi)
  • Reviewed: QPQ exempt (nom #2)
  • Comment: 5× (complete rewrite) over the course of 15~16 Jul 2022 in response to AfD discussion; outcome still pending. WP:BLPCRIME scrutiny welcomed.

Created/expanded by 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC).

• Thanks Mandarax for your help (yet again)! Re: MOS:SEAOFBLUE in ALT3 as pointed out in edit summary, it's a challenge as hook is already at the length limit. Will sleep on it and take a fresh look tomorrow; anyone else who wants to take a shot at rewording it is welcome to suggest ALT3a/b/c variations. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 15:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC) // Edit: just -wl President of South Africa; it's not that important. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 10:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
  • AfD closed as keep, ready for review. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 18:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed: Y
• Used in article: Y
• Clear at 100px: ?

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Nice job saving this article! Recently expanded 5x, no copyvio and seems balanced. The sourcing might need a little work though. The article and several hooks cite Forbes Contributor article which isn't a reliable source. Can this be replaced with a more reliable source (the refs look good otherwise)? ALT0 seems the most interesting to me, but it's cited to a Forbes Contributor article. Striking ALT5 and ALT6 since they don't seem quite as interesting as the others. Re: ALT3 I'm not sure if running a photo of someone other than the person in the hook is ideal, but the hook itself is good. (Note: I also removed some overlinking from the hooks.) BuySomeApples (talk) 03:43, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oh, hello again BuySomeApples! I think the AfD was headed toward keep anyway (on the basis that sources exist) so can't really take credit for "saving" the article. TIL about FORBESCON being distinct from Forbes. Pretty sure almost if not everything in the article and hooks are backed up by other sources so if the rest of the sources are good then I'll just have to do a bit of inline citation rejiggling. Minor inconvenience since the Forbes source is a pretty good summary that touches on a lot of the key points, but no biggie. Re: hooks, I actually thought the police bungle was quite amusing; personally felt that the ALT2 pun was the weakest one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Re: photographs, I'd gone with the Ramaphosas because I wasn't sure how BLP comes into play here. Would BLP pose an obstacle to running a photo of Lamba himself on front page? I know this picture (from a deleted simple English article) is a no-go, but there's this and I do wonder if it would be worth the trouble trying to get it or some other photo released under a suitable license so we could run it. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 17:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
  • On second look, so I'll unstrike ALT5 it's a pretty great hook. I don't think running a photo with it would violate BLP per se, but it might not be worth the trouble since the photographer might not even release the photo anywhere. It's up to you though, since we can always wait to finish this nom for the photo. BuySomeApples (talk) 23:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
• Not so fast. There's a discussion at BLPN right now. Also, that image--Ramaphosa and Motsepe should NOT be pictured in this DYK hook, nor, I believe, should they be mentioned in it. Drmies (talk) 01:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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Articles created/expanded on July 16

Bombing of Mokha

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• Article history )

• ... that the bombing of Mokha in Yemen by Saudi Arabia-led coalition was described as of the "deadliest" attacks by Saudi Arabia against Yemen, leaving 65-150 dead including 10 children? Source: CNBC, Reuters
  • Reviewed: 2022 U.S. Open Cup Final

5x expanded by Mhhossein (talk). Nominated by Mhhossein (talk) at 12:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC).

• @Mhhossein: Can you provide a QPQ for this? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 03:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
• No QPQ was provided within seven days of the nomination, despite a ping above and activity elsewhere. This is purely procedural and the nomination can resume if a QPQ is provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Having done dozens of DYKs so far, due to the usual backlog, it takes numerous days for the QPQed nominations to be reviewed and promoted. It is just a surprise seeing this comment and ridiculous for a QPQnomination to be closed solely for lack of QPQ. The QPQ will be provided within the coming days. --Mhhossein ^talk 10:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

It's per a recent recent rule change to DYK. See WP:DYKCRIT: Ideally, a QPQ should be submitted within a week of a nomination. After one week, and a reminder to the nominator, a nomination may be closed as "incomplete." Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Nominator was notified of the lack of a QPQ on July 30. This nomination should be rejected if no QPQ is supplied within a week from then, that is August 6. Flibirigit (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

• Nominator has provided a QPQ so the nomination can now proceed. A full review is still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 21

Rowan Taylor (composer)

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that a professor at Los Angeles Pierce College wrote an oratorio about the Book of Mormon? Source: "Rowan Taylor is an Associate Professor of Music at Pierce College in Los Angeles." A Journal of Mormon Thought, Notes on Staff and Contributors "Rowan Taylor's new oratorio "Coriantumr," based on the Book of Mormon..." Deseret News
  • Reviewed: This is one of my first five nominations.

Created by October(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 16:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC).

• General eligibility:
• New Enough: Y
• Long Enough: N - article is only just over 1500 characters and is on the edge of being a stub.

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - Some assertions are not sourced and have cite needed tags. Some of the sources do not appear to be from super reliable sources (eg Musicalics and Motely Vision blog) or are very incidental mentions (eg newspaper list of graduates or advertisements of upcoming concerts).
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y
• Other problems: N - Having looked at the sourcing, I have questioned over the notability of the article.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Some quite major issues with sourcing and article size need to be rectified before approval. Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your review and feedback! I agree that the Musicalics article is not the most reliable source. I've edited out the information from that article. However, the obit from Motley Vision can be considered reliable. According to WP:SELFPUB, a blog by an expert in the field is okay to use as a source, and Kent Larsen is an expert in the field of Mormon Letters. Even incidental mentions in newspapers are considered reliable, too. I think that the BYU Special Collections entry on Taylor, the various newspaper articles about his works (Papa and the Playhouse, Coriantumr, etc), and this newspaper article especially all support his notability. I hope that you'll review some of the edits I made to the article and agree that Rowan Taylor is a notable composer. October(BYU) (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Still not sure about notability here so requesting another reviewer to look at this. Vladimir.copic (talk) 10:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 25

Kaze wo Matsu

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that the "Kaze wo Matsu" music video is one long take of the singers dancing up a hill? Source: [8][9]
  • ALT1: ... that "Kaze wo Matsu" has B-side songs which lineups were determined by in which century the singers were born? Source: ... Type B includes "Seifuku no Omosa" by 16 members born in the 20th century; Type C includes "Genten" by 12 members born in the 21st century ... [10]
  • ALT2: ... that a B-side music video to "Kaze wo Matsu" features the STU48-go, the first ship with an onboard theater in Japan, under remodeling? Source: First theater ship mention: [11], the MV: [12]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Palu
  • Comment: Didn't plan to submit this, but maybe if one of the hooks is interesting enough

Converted from a redirect by Petewarrior (talk). Self-nominated at 06:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC).

• Full review to follow, though a spot check checks out. I prefer ALT1 and the source checks out (it's in Japanese so AGF). ALT1 is probably the hook here that would appeal the most even to non-Japanese idol fans. However, the hook is a bit confusing to read. It may be reliant on knowing what a B-side means. It may instead be better to simplify the wording and say that some of the songs in the single had line-ups determined by the century of birth. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Adding to the earlier preliminary review, there is no close paraphrasing in the article and a QPQ has been done. However, the nomination cannot proceed unless the hook issues raised above are addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• ALT1a: ... that the lineup for two songs in the single "Kaze wo Matsu" were determined by in which century the singers were born? PetéWarrior (talk) 07:02, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 26

Dave Wasserman

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that Dave Wasserman has seen enough? Source: Jewish Insider
  • Reviewed: Mansiya V.P.

Converted from a redirect by ElectionWiz (talk). Nominated by Feminist (talk) at 06:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC).

• Welcome to DYK, ElectionWiz! New enough and long enough. QPQ present. I have two possible concerns for you and Feminist to address.

• Two entire paragraphs depend on summarizing Wasserman's Cook bio. These sections lift too many words in a row (some of which, however, are titles or names of organizations which are permissible and unavoidable). See [13]. Is there anything to break this up a bit? This really needs to be addressed.
• I adore ALT0...but I fear that, for some of our readers outside the United States, this quirky is about as interesting as cricket results are to me, so I'm leaving some possible options here.

• ALT1: ... that Dave Wasserman helped correctly predict the partisan swing in the 2006 United States House of Representatives elections?
• ALT2: ... that a 2016 article by Dave Wasserman foreshadowed the split between the Electoral College and popular vote two months before the 2016 U.S. presidential election?

• • The close paraphrasing/copyvio issue must be fixed before I can really contemplate this nomination much further. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
  • @Sammi Brie: Thanks for the review and the hooks! I've broken up the words a bit. A new reviewer may be needed for your hooks. feminist (talk) 03:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Trump alternate electors controversy

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/willard-trump-eastman-giuliani-bannon/2021/10/23/c45bd2d4-3281-11ec-9241-aad8e48f01ff_story.html
  • Reviewed:

Created by Soibangla (talk). Nominated by FormalDude (talk) at 23:39, 26 July 2022 (UTC).

• ALT1: ... that Donald Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators to convince them to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election by approving alternate electoral slates? Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 04:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

* ALT1 has a better wikilink target; however, there is some preliminary discussion about the article title. I don't know the procedures for DYK nominations (especially if there are deadlines), but ideally the title discussion will wrap up expeditiously, one way or the other, before a DYK goes active. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

• Antony-22, ALT1 is interesting but is too long. Hooks need to be 200 characters at most, yours is 219. The main hook, or the shortened ALT1, may be considered for review. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

• ALT2a: ... that Donald Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators to convince them to approve alternative electoral slates in the 2020 U.S. election?
• ALT2b: ... that Donald Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators to convince them to approve falsified electoral slates in the 2020 U.S. election?

There's discussion going on about whether "alternative" or "falsified" is better, so I'm providing both options at this time. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 05:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

• ALT3: ....(195 characters of readable prose, I think)... that Donald Trump's allies John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani tried to convince more than 300 Republican state legislators to ignore the vote and instead send fake electors to the electoral college in the 2020 US presidential election? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Since "fake electors" blows away every other "(adjective) electors" that I have researched, I kinda think the article title should be changed per WP:COMMONNAME NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

That one is even worse, because my character counter shows 230 characters (ALT2a/b have 195 characters, though they may benefit from making the hook shorter). Also, please resolve the alternate/fake elector issue before proceding further. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for catching that. I didn't realize my version of Word counts characters with... and without spaces. I used the without number.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude and Szmenderowiecki: Where are we with this nomination? Are there any outstanding concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Both ALT2s pass formal criteria but IDK if they are going to be in DYK. I'm not the one who decides here. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Full review needed, including the hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

With the RM now completed, I'm proposing an additional hook. ––FormalDude talk 03:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

• ALT4: ... that Trump's fake electors plot saw his personal attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani speak to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election?

Articles created/expanded on July 27

Mick Moloney

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

Mick Moloney

• ... that Mick Moloney (pictured) was a social worker in London before establishing the Green Fields of America? Source: The New York Times
  • Reviewed: The Massachusetts Gazette
  • Comment: Eligible per Rule 1d, because it is only appeared in the "Recent Deaths" section of ITN and not as a bold link.

5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC).

• This is more of a comment than a review for now, but perhaps something more can be said about Moloney here? The hook is somewhat on the pedestrian side of things given that the connection between "social worker" and "founding a band" isn't clear here. Maybe either a hook about his father being an air traffic controller or the Green Fields being a band that plays Irish music could add interest? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

• Disagree. The hook should be focused the subject himself, not his family members/what they did. And adding more details to the hook will make it less interesting. I think Moloney bridging two distinct fields transcontinentally makes for a far more interesting hook than what could be said using the suggestions above. Full review needed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

• The article meets requirements, the hook facts are cited inline and verified. A QPQ has been done. Earwigs detects significant overlap with this source, so that needs to be resolved before approval. I disagree with the above statement: as far as I can tell, the transcontinental thing is not obvious at first glance and unless additional details are added the reader won't get why him establishing the band is so important. That's not to say the hook fact itself is unsalvageable. It's more of the hook as currently written is rather pedestrian, but it can still be improved to become a decent hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  I was discussing the nomination with Sammi Brie over on Discord and she said that she had a suggestion for an alternate hook. I'll let her propose it here and I'm asking if you'd be fine with it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  • ALT1: ... that Mick Moloney (pictured) helped Cherish the Ladies in traditional Irish music? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bloom6132: Still with us? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Overlap with LoC source was addressed back on August 6 (though such overlap may actually be permissible since that source is a work of the U.S. government). Whatever overlap remains are mostly proper names that fall under WP:LIMITED. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Bloom6132: For reasons I've elaborated on above I've struck ALT0. Are you okay with ALT1? If not, some variant of ALT0 could probably be workshopped further but the original hook is unsuitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• I am fine with ALT1. I am, however, not fine with you striking ALT0, as it satisfies WP:DYKHOOK (i.e. sourced, neutral, not unduly negative, etc.). Requesting a second look at both ALT0 and ALT1 from an uninvolved editor (who can also confirmed that any WP:CLOP has been removed). —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I frankly do not think that ALT0 meets the "interesting to a broad audience" criterion here. And "interesting to a broad audience" is also a part of WP:DYKHOOK. I have re-struck ALT0 as nominators generally don't unstrike an already struck hook without some discussion with the reviewer. As I mentioned earlier, I am not against ALT0's hook fact, merely its wording. I am still open to some variation of ALT0 (perhaps with additional context or different wording), just not ALT0 as currently written. If you are not willing to propose alternate versions of ALT0 then I suppose I'll be approving ALT1 instead as a compromise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, I disagree with your subjective assessment (which is not the case with the other criteria in WP:DYKHOOK – they're pretty clear cut and objective). The last time you suggested an alternative hook for one of my noms claiming that it would make a better, more catchy DYK hook (Wayne Cooper (basketball), back in June this year), it drew in just 1,938 views. So there is good reason to (at the very least) question your take on what constitutes "interesting to a broad audience". That's why I've asked for an uninvolved editor to have a look at ALT0 and ALT1. For the new reviewer:

• ALT0: ... that Mick Moloney (pictured) was a social worker in London before establishing the Green Fields of America? Source: The New York Times

Again, for an uninvolved editor to assess. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure why you really want ALT0 as written specifically when ALT1 already exists and is a suitable alternative. You already said that you're fine with ALT1, so why not just go with it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:06, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Is there anything wrong with leaving it to the nom promoter decide? I'm fine if they choose ALT1 over ALT0, but the choice should at least be presented to them. It's not like ALT1 is palpably the superior hook that you're making it out to be. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Launch and commissioning of the James Webb Space Telescope

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

The launch of the James Webb Space Telescope

• ... that the James Webb Space Telescope was meant to have enough fuel to stay in space for 10 years, but a successful launch saved so much fuel, that it may now have enough for 20 years? Source: ...10-year science lifetime. The minimum baseline for the mission is five years. and All hail the Ariane 5 rocket, which doubled the Webb telescope’s lifetime
  • ALT1: ... that the launch of the James Webb Space Telescope is credited for doubling the amount of time the telescope can maintain orbit? Source: ...10-year science lifetime. The minimum baseline for the mission is five years. and All hail the Ariane 5 rocket, which doubled the Webb telescope’s lifetime
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2022 National Arena League season
  • Comment: Thanks to @Ganesha811: for creating the article. Well done!

Created by Ganesha811 (talk). Nominated by Bruxton (talk) at 03:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: Y
• Interesting: Y
• Other problems: N - ALT0 is too wordy and ALT1 leaves some context to be desired. The latter should mention the amount of time and that the launch conditions were a factor.

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed: Y
• Used in article: Y
• Clear at 100px: N - Quality is not good, especially at thumbnail size.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hook needs work. SounderBruce 23:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: The picture is indeed of low quality (although I would argue that is less visible at 100px), but there are several alternatives on Flickr which aren't ported to Commons yet which might be suitable: [14], [15], [16], [17] or [18], all on the telescope's official Flickr account. As for the hook, how about

• ALT2: ... that the launch of the James Webb Space Telescope saved so much fuel that the telescope may be able to stay in space 10 years longer than planned?

Basically just a shortened original hook. --LordPeterII (talk) 10:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Geothermal energy in Turkey

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• Article history )

Geothermally heated spa in Keramet, Orhangazi

• ... that people have been enjoying balneotherapy from geothermal energy in Turkey since the Romans? Source: Hierapolis is an exceptional example of a Greco-Roman thermal installation established on an extraordinary natural site. The therapeutic virtues of the waters were exploited at the various thermal installations, which included immense hot basins and pools for swimming. https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/485/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Phoenician arrowheads

Improved to Good Article status by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:33, 27 July 2022 (UTC).

• Reviewing. Seddon ^talk 01:38, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: Y
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: N - There are a few lines that could do with tweaking from the source. See earwig

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: Y
• Interesting: Y
• Other problems: N - The wording of the hook feels clunky and would be interested in seeing some alts

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed: Y
• Used in article: Y
• Clear at 100px: N - The picture isn't the greatest of images at a small resolution but I guess its not a blocker to the nom

QPQ: Done.

Overall: better hook and fixing some of the close paraphrasing and we are good! Seddon ^talk 02:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Could not find a better pic sorry but fixed copyvio (I think - Earwig is not working for me right now)Chidgk1 (talk) 11:37, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the Romans enjoyed balneotherapy from geothermal energy in Turkey? Source: Hierapolis is an exceptional example of a Greco-Roman thermal installation established on an extraordinary natural site. The therapeutic virtues of the waters were exploited at the various thermal installations, which included immense hot basins and pools for swimming. https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/485/

ALT2 ... that to effect greenhouse warming global hottest is geothermal energy in Turkey? (will cite if you like it) Chidgk1 (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT3 ... that reinjection is good protection, against a greenhouse effect when effecting greenhouse warming? (will cite if you like it) Chidgk1 (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT4 ... that, for hot Turkey, to avoid passing foul-smelling gas and annoying people nearby it is important to make sure we have reinjection.

ALT1 is the same as the main hook, so no need to repeat it. ALT2-4 seem to be Google-translated and make no sense for me. The fourth translation is even somewhat funny when you think of it. I can't speak Turkish, but maybe someone else can help you out. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 08:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Szmenderowiecki: ALT2-4 are aimed at native English speakers like me. So they are kind of puzzles which make no sense at first, so readers might be tempted to click to find out the meaning. ALT2 looks like a word salad reversing "greenhouse effect" and "global warming" but means that there are more geothermally heated greenhouses in Turkey than elsewhere in the world. ALT3 rhymes in the first clause and then reverses "greenhouse effect": meaning is that the CO2 must be put back in ground. ALT4 is supposed to make schoolkids think of farting: meaning is that hydrogen sulphide should be put back in ground. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

@Seddon: I just noticed you are an ex-geologist. As well as checking above hooks, if you have time could you tell me whether the geology parts of the article could be improved at all? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 28

John Jarvis-Smith

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that when the British government discovered that John Jarvis-Smith wasn't dead, they gave him a medal? Source: see article
  • Reviewed: Catherine Flanagan
  • Comment: still expanding the article with more details on the medal

5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk), Edwardx (talk), and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 22:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC).

• Hi Philafrenzy, a nice little article saved from deletion. A few comments:
• I don't yet make it a 5x expansion
• "on the buses" feels a bit colloquial, can it be rephrased?
• "in Operation Infatuate, the British and Canadian amphibious assault on heavily fortified and entrenched German positions on the Dutch island of Walcheren" is a direct copy from the source, could use rewording.
• The "when they discovered [he] wasn't dead" part of the hook isn't yet reflected in the article

I see the article is still being worked on, if you give me a ping when you think it's ready I'll pop back to recheck. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 08:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Midwest Food Bank

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that a two-year-old food bank contributed 150 semi-trucks of supplies to relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina? Source: For the age: https://www.midwestfoodbank.org/about-main/mission-methods among others; for the quantity: https://fox59.com/news/center-grove-students-help-midwest-food-bank-with-its-hurricane-relief-efforts/
  • Reviewed: none, not obligatory for me
  • Comment: Somewhat begrudgingly nominated at the request of Dominic. I still have quite a bit I intend to add to this article once I finish my summer class stuff in the next couple of days (I believe I could double its length with the sources I have, and I could probably find more), so I would be grateful if this didn't receive the swiftest review. Open to alternative hook suggestions, but struggling to think of something more interesting to say.

Created by Compassionate727 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC).

• Article meets DYK requirement for being new, and for length. No QPQ, but this is first nomination. Citations are well used, and a range of good sources. There is an outstanding citation tag for the status of the food bank as a charity. Other than that it seems fine and reasonably well written. Could definitely benefit from including the logo and infobox type information (founder, turnover etc.). OwainDavies ^(about)_(talk) edited at 14:09, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 29

Aaron and Adam Weis

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that Aaron and Adam Weis shared the role of Bradley Bradshaw? Source: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sd-me-bell-20180707-story.html

were, together, Bradley Bradshaw, and each of them Bay Area Teacher of the Month?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Christy Martin vs. Deirdre Gogarty
  • Comment: The template wants but one source. For the Teacher of the month, see https://826valencia.org/september-teacher-of-the-month-mr-aaron-weis/ and https://826valencia.org/tom-may/

Created by KnightMove (talk). Self-nominated at 11:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC).

• QPQ has been completed, article was created recently enough to an adequate size and Copyvio score looks fine. However, articles need to be covered by reliable sources and I'm not sure about 826valencia; as for the hook itself, use an alt specifying that they played Bradley Bradshaw together and remove the Bay Area Teacher part since that is an additional fact. Regarding linking the source, you can simply do so like this. K. Peake 11:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback.

Now I have mentioned 826 Valencia explicitly as the organization issuing the award - I guess they are reliable about whom they grant their own awards.

About your other points, please specify - this is my very first nomination, so I am not too familiar with the rules yet.

"... that is an additional fact" - so it is unwanted to combine facts from different sources?

"...as for the hook itself, use an alt..." - what exactly do you mean, please? --KnightMove (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Anyway, I have created the shortened hook. --KnightMove (talk) 12:56, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• Hold up: I don't think these one-time actors and local teachers may meet notability critera. Sources currently include CNN iReport (user-generated content), Facebook posts, "Kalia news" (which does not even mention the brothers). As minor actors in a single role (and a commercial) that would not merit an encyclopedia entry. Being voted "teacher of the month" does not get someone into an encyclopedia. I see sources with a single mention of the twins, and local recognition of minor awards from 826 Valencia, but not significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

The kaliannews.info link is also not claimed in the article to mention the twins, it is used as a reference for a specific statement in context. The three media, articles from which I have set as weblinks, are used as sources in thousands of Wikipedia articles each. I still do think that they got sufficient significant coverage to be notable. --KnightMove (talk) 14:23, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Basically everything independently notable about these twins could be condensed to a sentence regarding their Top Gun appearance. Per WP:SINGLEEVENT, a redirect and mention at Top Gun or Top Gun (franchise) is probably sufficient. I'm sure they're fine teachers, but they're not encyclopedia-notable for being teachers.

A further review of sourcing (both currently cited and things I've found externally):

• Bell, Diane (7 July 2018). "Tom Cruise movie sequel takes off without San Diego's 'Top Gun' twins". San Diego Union-Tribune. This is probably the single most significant coverage the twins have received in 35 years (other movie gossip sites refer to it), and it's basically a local human interest piece by a columnist about local boys who made good. From it we learn the twins were cast as extras in Top Gun after their mom took them to an audition. The twins later went to college and became teachers. Much of the short article is based on interviews with the twins themselves or their mother.
• The entirety of their 1985 coverage in Vilitis: A Magazine of Folklore and Folk Dance, is a captioned photograph, reading: "This is Aaron and Adam (or is it Adam and Aaron) Weis (Ver Veis? — Yiddish for "who knows?"). Only loving parents could tell them apart. They are the twin sons of Martha and Dennis Weis of San Diego. The photos were taken during the Mother of Twins Christmas Party." Not significant coverage. Nothing to do with their film role. Citing this in an encyclopedia is almost like holding up a receipt found in a garbage bin and declaring it says here "they once ate at Burger King".
• Facebooks posts and iReport posts do not contribute to WP:GNG.
• Awards given by 826 Valencia are verifiable, but as primary sources they do not contribute to notability unless multiple secondary independent sources comment on them. There are thousands if not millions of local business awards given around the world every year to decent, hardworking employees, but the vast majority of these don't warrant an encyclopedia article.
• From Cinema.com.my, the only salient info regarding the twins is "Bradley was played by twins Aaron and Adam Weiss". Not significant coverage, and not info that requires a stand-alone biography.
• IndieWire does not mention the twins at all, and so cannot contribute to the general notability guideline.
• Of the three sources listed in External links, one is a syndicated reprint of the San Diego Union-Tribune column, and the other two are film gossip websites that merely piggy-back onto the Union Tribune article, verifying that the twins were in Top Gun, and that they talked to the Union-Tribune about not being in the sequel, and the Union Tribune reported they are teachers. Not significant coverage. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Well... it does not quite make sense to further discuss this in this place, does it? Will you request a deletion? --KnightMove (talk) 07:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

References

Articles created/expanded on July 30

Danket, danket dem Herrn

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that "Danket, danket dem Herrn", a round of thanksgiving in German based on Psalm 106:1, was included in a songbook for a state garden show in Landau in 2015? Source: [19] and others
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC).

• Date, size, etc. all good, as expected from DYK veteran Gerda. QPQ review is needed. But, Gerda, can you consider a more interesting hook? How about ALT1 below? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the 18th century "Danket, danket dem Herrn", a round of thanksgiving based on Psalm 106:1, has been described as one of the best-known rounds in German?

I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 10:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nice article - in the UK the well-known rounds are London's Burning and Frere Jacques, mainly sung by children. This German round is far more classy. Just a couple of comments:

• QPQ pending.
• Is there any record of the song being actually performed at the garden show? If there is a citation for a performance there, it would be more fun than being in a book (I love rounds!)
• Being one of the best-known rounds would make a strong hook, too. Is an ALT possible for that? (ETA Sorry I missed the previous review, and ALT1 which is fine. Luckily our reviews are in agreement.)
• I have copyedited the article for Standard English (no content changed, and it does not affect DYK) but please re-edit it if any of my changes are inappropriate.
• The last sentence, which currently says, "It calls for careful choice of the starting-note", needs a little explanation to help non-musicians understand - maybe add a bit on the end to say something like, "... to allow for the vocal ranges of those singers present", or whatever the citation permits us to say as explanation? Storye book (talk) 11:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Update: Apart from the pending QPQ, this nom is OK so far, for ALTs 0 and 1. Storye book (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

My apologies, Piotrus, for not noticing that you had already reviewed. I'm not sure how that happened - really sorry. Please ignore my review unless there is anything in it that may be useful - though I believe our reviews are basically in agreement, anyway. I shall of course not be using my above review as a QPQ. Storye book (talk) 09:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both for reviewing! I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Surprise (song). The original hook could be quirky in German where everybody would recognize Himmelgrün as a word play on Himmelblau, a blue colour like the sky, - it was the motto of the show, himmelgrün gate, himmelgrün pavilion ... But even without it I find it funny that a psalm verse goes to a garden show. The other is too general for my taste, but thank you for offering. I'm also not sure if we can present "am weitesten verbreitet" (broadest distribution) as "best-known" which seems not really the same to me. We sang it for a funeral, on top of about every other day at home. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Storye book, Perhaps we will need more input on that. My issue with the main hook is that it is strangely low-key; the pun certainly doesn't translate, and it reads like strange trivia about a very minor event; it's like saying "this is so unimportant the best we could say about it is this trivial fact". Note I am not saying this hook needs to be discard, I am just saying that I, personally (this is subjective) find it bland and interesting only in so far as it raises my eyebrow due to the mention of the event that sounds trivial. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I won't argue, just tell me if "best-known" is really equivalent to "one of those with the widest distribution" (which I find clumsy, but perhaps there's a short English term that I just don't know). Storye book, about the "tuning": Frere Jaques has only 6 notes (in a row), but Danket has 6 below the first note in the last section (on top of 6 above in the second section), which means that starting too low gets you into problems at the very end. I tried to say that shorter, and don't think it deserves broader coverage. Rounds are normally not performed in concert, but socially sung. BTW, these state garden shows are big affairs in Germany, announced years in advance, the pride of the city that holds it from spring to fall with many events (2030 for Baden-Württemberg, in the Wikipedia article), for example de:Liste der Landesgartenschauen in Rheinland-Pfalz. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

OK, Gerda. I'm stepping down in favour of Piotrus now, for reasons given above. But if either of you need me to approve a hook or whatever, please ping me. Storye book (talk) 15:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, As I don't speak German, it may be better to get a 3O on this term from someone who does. I believe I used this term since your article states: "It has been described as one of the best-known rounds in German." I admit now that I follow the source [20] I can't find such a claim the google translated version available to me. Could you provide the quote from the German source for that? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry that I was sloppy (and didn't even remember). I asked my translator program now: "most widespread" is no. 2, "most common" no. 1 of the suggestions. I tend towards "widespread". I'll take that to the article for now. Storye book, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that the 18th century "Danket, danket dem Herrn", a round of thanksgiving based on Psalm 106:1, has been described as one of the most widespread rounds in German? Storye book (talk) 17:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Crippled

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that in Crippled, author Frances Ryan speaks to a disabled British woman who was unable to afford heating by 2013 and her specialist meals by 2017 due to the government's austerity programme? Source: Crippled (p.11-13): "I first spoke to Susan in the autumn of 2013, just after the first round of austerity measures came into force ... She could not afford to put her heating on and had stopped using her oven ... in the summer of 2017 ... She stopped going out socially, 'even to the pictures': she can't afford the taxi fare there ... she can rarely afford ford. Her bowel condition means she can't safely eat solids or absorb vitamins naturally and needs specialist meals ... Two years ago, she stopped buying it completely ... Instead, she lives off cereal"
  • Reviewed: Knowles Mill

Created by Bilorv (talk). Self-nominated at 12:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC).

• Comment only. NOT a review Is this fact or fiction or reportage? If its all fiction/opinion presented as such then a plot summary/Synopsis doesnt need references. If it is presented as fact then it needs references IMO.... and there are very few. If it says "someone died because the money wasn't enough" then we need a 3rd party ref of that or it needs to be presented as "Frances Ryan said that she was told that X died because ... although the coroner said .... ". Victuallers (talk) 15:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

  I don't really understand what this means. There are three types of information in this non-fiction book: statistical information with citations within the book; investigative reporting based on interviewing disabled people in their houses over periods of several years (to see their living conditions firsthand); and derivative reporting based on local news coverage. For instance, in the "Work" chapter, the two deaths due to Jobseeker's Allowance removal are supported by local and national news coverage, coroner's reports and family testimony. As a journalist with a PhD in the field employed directly by a newspaper of record for many years, Ryan's original reporting would be acceptable as a self-published source, but in this case it's not actually self-published, but published by a publishing house with editorial oversight.

  References are not needed in Synopsis sections as a matter of course, so long as the book is reputably published, but I inserted one inline citation to verify the hook fact per WP:DYKCRIT#3(b) due to dispute over this in past DYK hooks of mine. — Bilorv (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Mehmet Şerif Fırat

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that after Mehmet Şerif Fırat supported the Turkish Military in defeating the Sheikh Said rebellion, he was sent into internal exile together with relatives of the leaders of the rebellion? Source: Rebel Land: Unraveling the history in a Turkish town pp.151–152 Christopher de Bellaigue

ALT1... that to a reprint of Mehmet Şerif Fırats book in which he denied the existence of Kurds, the Turkish President Cemal Gürsel wrote a praising foreword in 1961? for in that book he (Mehmet Serif Firat) denied the existence of Kurds ... Turkish President Cemal Gürsel wrote a glowing introduction in the 1961 reissue of Firats History of Varto and the Eastern Provinces.Rebel Land: Unraveling the history in a Turkish townpp.40-41 Christopher de Bellaigue

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Winifred Brown
  • Comment: The source for the hooks are accessible over Internet Archive

Created by Paradise Chronicle (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: Y
• Neutral: N - I think there is potentially a NPOV issue. The article dispassionately documents some of the absurd claims made in Firat's book. However, the uninformed reader has no way of knowing whether these claims are right or wrong. Are there any RS that compare Firat's claims to the academic consensus on Kurdish history? Or discuss why Firat, a person of Kurdish origin would propagate these theories?
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I think ALT1 as written is too difficult to understand. ALT0 is fine though (t · c) buidhe 05:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks User:Buidhe for the review and comment. And you are right. I forgot that maybe it could be understood that Wikipedia also saw these views as true. Gürsel himself points to the findings of foreign scholars about an existence of Kurds in his foreword. I added some words on Gürsel's views on them and that those scholars contradict his views. Other works I read appear to assume the reader knows Kurds exist etc. He is mainly known for that foreword, similar books exist several, but none with a foreword by an acting Turkish President. But I can follow your NPOV concerns and the original hook is also quite surprising.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

List of politicians killed in the American Civil War

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that among the politicians killed in the American Civil War was Edward Dickinson Baker, the only sitting American senator to ever be killed in a military engagement? Source: https://politicalgraveyard.com/death/civil-war.html
  • ALT1: ... that Wisconsin governor Louis P. Harvey became one of the many politicians killed in the American Civil War when he drowned while trying to step from a tethered boat to a moving steamboat? Source: https://politicalgraveyard.com/death/civil-war.html
  • ALT2: ... that former mayor of Nashville, Tennessee Randal William McGavock became one of the many politicians killed in the American Civil War when was killed leading a counter-attack at the Battle of Raymond? Source: https://politicalgraveyard.com/death/civil-war.html
  • ALT3: ... that former governor of Washington Territory Isaac Stevens was killed at Battle of Chantilly, making him one of the many politicians killed in the American Civil War? Source: https://politicalgraveyard.com/death/civil-war.html
  • Reviewed:

Created by Mr.crabby (talk). Self-nominated at 19:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - Missing citations for Andrew Upson and Burton Millard
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Sourcing is good, but references for Andrew Upson and Burton Millard are needed. I find ALT1 the most interesting of the set. Otherwise, looks great! Thrakkx (talk) 21:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

• I have added sourcing for Millard and Upson. I don't have a prefernce any sentence. It's been over a decace since I've submitted one of these, so I'll leave it to the experts to decide. Many of the linked biographical pages have accompanying photos if that's something you're interested in adding too. Best. ~~ Mr.crabby
  • Good to see. Do you mind de-orphaning the article? There may be a navbox you can add this page to, or you could add this page in the "See also" section of each politician's article. Thrakkx (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
    • I have added article to Template:American Civil War which links it to hundreads of other Civil War-related articles. Mr.crabby (Talk) 09:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 31

Madera Sugar Pine Company

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that a Chinatown in the logging community of Sugar Pine was intentionally burned down by the Madera Sugar Pine Company in 1922? Source: "Sugar Pine's Chinatown had its revenge". The Madera Tribune. August 8, 2017. Retrieved August 3, 2022.
  • ALT1: ... that a Chinatown in the logging community of Sugar Pine was intentionally burned down by the Madera Sugar Pine Company in the aftermath of the Chinese Exclusion Act? Source: "Sugar Pine's Chinatown had its revenge". The Madera Tribune. August 8, 2017. Retrieved August 3, 2022.
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: In researching this article I was surprised to learn that after Chinese immigrants played such a central role in establishing the state's logging industry following the California Gold Rush, they were virtually eliminated from the area by 1922 when the Madera Sugar Pine Company intentionally burned down the Chinatown district in Sugar Pine (Mexican workers were substituted in the following years.) Unlike the Chinese experience in the gold rush, this cruel and unfair circumstance in the lumber industry appears to be much less well known.

Created by Guywelch2000 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC).

• Not a review. I was going to review it, but my review turned into a slight copyedit, and I found enough uncited sections to tag it with {{refimprove}}. Those should be addressed before this nomination is seriously considered. Daniel Case (talk) 03:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you for taking the time to go through the page. This is the first time I have contributed so much to a page from scratch and am still getting a feel for where and how frequently to cite. Fortunately, I still have my reference books and notes from my trip to the Sierra this summer, as well as access to the excellent newspaper archive from the University of California. Has the page improved to meet citation standards? Guywelch2000 (talk) 05:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 1

ArabLit & ArabLit Quarterly

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that many authors and most of the translators of modern Arabic literature are women, according to ArabLit magazine? Source: "In a 2010 essay, Abeer Esber wrote that “Unfortunately, women in Arab countries are currently finding it easier, for all the wrong reasons, to find a publisher for their books.” and "Surveys suggest that the majority of literary translators are women."
  • ALT1: ... that Arab women writers are easily finding publishers, but for all the wrong reasons, as ArabLit magazine reported? Source: "In a 2010 essay, Abeer Esber wrote that “Unfortunately, women in Arab countries are currently finding it easier, for all the wrong reasons, to find a publisher for their books.”
  • ALT2: ... that ArabLit & ArabLit Quarterly magazines highlight Arab women writers’ presence in English translations? Source: "Every August, ArabLit highlights literature by Arab women during the Women in Translation Month"
  • Reviewed: Abd al-Quddus al-Ansari
  • Comment: The cited sources ... reviewers need to know where they are, possibly by link, especially when they are not quoted inline or in footnotes. I think ALT1 has a lot of potential except for the fact that the cited quote is not even in the article. And it should be reworded to make it clear that this is not something we are claiming to be a fact. Like this ...
    • ALT3: ... that ArabLit magazine says Arab women writers are easily finding publishers, "but for all the wrong reasons"? Source: "In a 2010 essay, Abeer Esber wrote that “Unfortunately, women in Arab countries are currently finding it easier, for all the wrong reasons, to find a publisher for their books."

These issues should be addressed before this nomination is formally reviewed. Daniel Case (talk) 03:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @Daniel Case:, for your comments. I have added the quote about "all the wrong reasons" to the text of the article and the source here after the hooks. Also, I agree with your comment and suggestion for ALT3. Munfarid1 (talk) 06:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Created by Munfarid1 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC).

References

E. J. Smith (American football)

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that Emmitt Smith's son was selected as one of two breakout candidates at running back for the 2022 college football season? Source: Here: naming Smith as one of two running backs among its 31 breakout candidates for 2022
  • Reviewed: Victória Pitts

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC).

• Just a comment: this hook may be interesting to American football fans, but it is virtually meaningless to readers like me who have no idea (a) who Emmitt Smith is, and (b) what sport the hook is referring to. 97198 (talk) 02:38, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Emmitt Smith is one of the greatest to ever play American football, holding the all-time record in career rushing yardage. His son is now one of the top two prospects at his dad's position. To an American audience, it should prove very interesting. Not all hooks need have worldwide appeal. Cbl62 (talk) 05:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I did just now add a link to the sport to clarify that bit. Cbl62 (talk) 05:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I have to agree with the above comments. Wikipedia is not USpedia. A hook that mainly appeals to American audiences only does not mean it appeals to a broad audience. Perhaps if said American football player was at least relatively well-known internationally, like Tom Brady, such a hook could potentially have worked. As it stands, I don't think Smith is well-known outside the US, so that's not going to work. In addition, it also assumes that the reader is familiar with the running back position. Americans and maybe Canadians would likely understand the hook, but it would have just as much appeal to international audiences as a cricket-focused hook would appeal to Americans. That's not to say that an internationally-appealing hook about American football is impossible. That's very much possible. However, given that American football is not as popular as the other Big Four sports outside the US, you need to keep international audiences in mind and make sure the hook is understandable regardless of the reader's familiarity with American football.

Having said that, the article itself does meet DYK requirements. It is new enough, long enough, and the hook is cited inline and verified. A QPQ has been done. However, the hook as currently written is problematic. Not just for the interest reasons discussed above by myself and 97198, but also because I'm not a fan of how the hook subject focuses of him being "Emmit Smith's son" instead of naming the subject himself. I think there's some potential in the "two best running backs" angle. Perhaps a hook instead saying that he is one of only two running backs in the 31 rated players could work instead? The article doesn't really give much else to go on, so if that doesn't work out maybe the article is just not meant to be for DYK at this time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:16, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

@97198: Given that the hook doesn't seem to appeal to non-Americans, do you have any hook ideas that could possibly have a more global appeal? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I am aware that we try to balance hook queues so as not to have too many US-oriented hooks in a single queue, and I also agree we should make hooks accessible to an international audience -- thus the wikilinks to "running back" and "college football". But this is the first I've heard of a formal or informal rule to outright reject hooks on grounds that they appeal primarily to a US audience. This is, after all, English Wikipedia, and the US is the most populous English speaking country with a population (333 million) roughly double that of all other English-speaking countries (less than 160 million combined). The E. J. Smith hook is not so important, but it would IMO be an astonishingly bad precedent to reject hooks because "Wikipedia is not USpedia". Balance the queues? Absoutely. Bar US-oriented hook? No. Cbl62 (talk) 12:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

• In an effort to address some of the concern, I offer the following alt1: ... that running back E. J. Smith, son of the NFL's all-time leading rusher, was selected by Pro Football Focus as one of its 31 college football breakout candidates for 2022?

You missed my point. I did not say that America-centric hooks are not allowed. I merely said that the hook would not have appealed to a broad audience, particularly those unfamiliar with American football. American football hooks that appeal to broad audiences are possible and indeed there have been many such hooks in the past (I've even approved some of them). My point is simply that the hook should not be given a pass simply because it's an American topic. America-related hooks still need to conform to the broad interest criterion and a hook about an American topic should still appeal to a reader regardless if they're from Alabama or from New Delhi. For what it's worth, I consulted with some editors over on Discord and even some of the American editors also had reservations about the hook. Indeed, some of them said they'd never even heard of Emmit Smith before. I think ALT1 is an improvement but it may still be too reliant on American football terminology. In any case, I'd like to hear from 97198 first before proceeding. I do have some reservations about ALT1 because I'm really not sure how much of a big deal the Pro Football Focus is, especially to non America football fans. On the other hand, perhaps focusing on the dad being a three-time Super Bowl winner may be better? At least the Super Bowl is somewhat well-known internationally unlike running backs. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Pro Football Focus, often abbreviated PFF, is one of the most-cited analytics sources in the sport, and its list of breakout candidates receives extensive media attention. I'm surprised that many of the Americans you consulted aren't familiar with Emmitt Smith. The sport of American football has two principal offensive statistical measures -- passing yards and rushing yards. Tom Brady is the all-time leader in passing yards. Emmitt Smith is the all-time leader in rushing yards. Both are pretty big deals. Also, being the all-time rushing leader is a far bigger deal than appearing in three Super Bowls, the latter being something accomplished by dozens of players. Cbl62 (talk) 13:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

To further address your concerns, I would also be fine with alt2 ... that E. J. Smith, son of the NFL's all-time leading rusher, has been named as one of the college football breakout candidates for 2022?

I just wanted to comment on what you said, "the US is the most populous English speaking country with a population (333 million) roughly double that of all other English-speaking countries (less than 160 million combined)" as that's possibly technically true, but absolutely misleading. Going only by "English speaking country" you discount English speakers in other countries (and what is an English speaking country? One where English is the official language? If that's the definition then the United States itself is not an English speaking country). According to List of countries by English-speaking population the number of English speakers in the United States is around 316 million (most, but not all Americans speak English), and all it takes is 3 countries (Nigeria, India, Pakistan) to have a combined larger English speaking population than America. The United States does have the largest number of English speakers by country, but American English speakers only account for about 21.76% of all English speakers, which is nowhere near the majority that your "double that of all other English-speaking countries" comment suggests. So yes, you're correct that this is the English Wikipedia, and following your same argument when taking into account that only around 1 in 5 English speakers are American, we need to take into consideration the fact that most English speakers are not American when writing hooks. That's not to say we can't have American hooks (I've written some) but we shouldn't assume that someone reading is going to be as familiar with American-specific terminology as an American would. - Aoidh (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. And I've always agreed that we should have a variety of hooks in each queue. My "rant" was a reaction to the comments above which I perceived (perhaps incorrectly) as suggesting that hooks geared to an American audience should be rejected. And as for American-specific terminology, I agree with you -- which is why the proposed hooks links all American-specific terminology. Cbl62 (talk) 22:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I just wanted to make that point about the English speaking world not being an overly American one, that's all. I was going to say I have no specific comment about the hook, but when reading it I don't know what a "breakout candidate" is, and the article itself doesn't really explain that. Would we be able to explain that in the article, or maybe reword the hook so that it's more clear what that means? I don't even think that's an American-specific term but rather a football-specific one. I don't think anyone was suggesting that we shouldn't have American hooks or anything, just that the terminology used is perhaps a little too "inside baseball" in its wording? - Aoidh (talk) 23:55, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

"Breakout" simply means a person is breaking out: that is, they're on the rise in either stature or popularity. In sports, a "breakout" player means a player who is new but either has a bright future ahead of them or is already doing extra well. It's not an American football-specific term: breakout athletes can come from any sport or discipline. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Then I guess it's fair to say that "breakout candidate" is a sports-specific term rather than just football-specific, but it is a term that I'm unfamiliar with and I think perhaps a not insignificant portion of readers will also have no idea what it means. - Aoidh (talk) 05:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• After giving this some thought, I'm wondering if it's possible for the hook instead to focus on Emmitt's Super Bowl wins rather than the rushes thing. I have some reservations if the rushing part would make much sense to those unfamiliar with American football, but the mention of the Super Bowl may raise some eyebrows. I do have some slight reservations about that angle though since it would put more attention on the dad than the son, but the way I see it, it's really the best remaining possibility left. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Focusing on the dad's three Super Bowls is not nearly as "hooky". The dad's status as the greatest rusher in the sport's history is far more extraordinary, particularly given that the son now plays the same position. As noted above, football has an air game (i.e. passing) in which Tom Brady holds the all-time record, and it has a ground game (i.e., rushing) in which Emmitt Smith holds the all-time record. The all-time rushing record is miles (even kilometers) more interesting. Cbl62 (talk) 13:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• In a further effort to avoid US-specific terminology, I offer:
• alt3 ... that Stanford's E. J. Smith, son of American football's all-time leading ground yardage gainer, was named a 2022 breakout candidate at his father's position? Cbl62 (talk) 14:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• I was asking SounderBruce for advice and he suggested a much simpler hook, one that doesn't really need any deep knowledge of American football.

ALT4 ... that Stanford's E. J. Smith plays the same position in American football as his father?

It focuses more on the "he played the same position as his dad" aspect rather than the running back aspect, so maybe it may be more understandable to an international audience. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I think alt4 is not hooky in that it gives no indication that either E.J. or his father is anything out of the ordinary. Alt3 also doesn't mention the running back position but gives some indication of something out of the ordinary on the part of both father and son. Cbl62 (talk) 05:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Bagumba: @BeanieFan11: @TonyTheTiger: @PCN02WPS: Pinging some DYK regulars who are experienced in the sports realm for an opinion as to whether alt3 or alt4 would be more hooky. Cbl62 (talk) 05:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Given that there doesn't seem to be any remaining options here, it doesn't seem like this nomination is going to work out. I understand the hook and I know what a "breakout star" is, but from asking from other editors (including Aoidh's comments above) it seems even "breakout star" may be too confusing to readers. ALT4 was probably the best option in my opinion as it's at least understandable, but it doesn't appear to be an option anymore.

The way I see it, the article may just not be ready for DYK at his time. Maybe if Smith's career flourishes and he does indeed break out, maybe something better can be said about him down the line. I was originally planning to mark this nomination for closure, but per the above comment I'd like to hear from those other editors first before proceeding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:28, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• A further thought. The notion that we ought to be barred from using basic football terminology like "rushing" and "running back" is a new one. Those terms have been used in dozens of previous successful DYK hooks without similar challenges or reports of mass confusion. See "running back" and "rushing". Regardless, and to address the concerns, the football-specific terms have been stricken from alt3. Also, we've often used "breakout" without objection, e.g., Baby Yoda as a "breakout character", Bea Alonzo having a "breakout role", Pixie Davis likewise having a "breakout role", a song being a "breakout hit", and yet another song being a band's "breakout hit". This is relatively common phrasing, not odd sports jargon that would baffle large swaths of readers. Cbl62 (talk) 07:15, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
  • I think alt3 is more "hooky," although I would change the wording a bit, make it something like this:
    • alt3a... that Stanford's E. J. Smith, son of the National Football League's all-time leading rusher, was named a 2022 breakout candidate at his father's position?
  • BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
• Just dropping by to give my two cents here; IMO the use of American football terminology in the hook is not a problem (and could become even less of a problem if the terms in question are linked). Just looking through some of my hooks that have run on the Main Page, the terms "losing record", "punting", "fourth down conversion", "tackles", "AFCA Good Works Team", "bowl eligibility", and "defensive coordinator" appear, in addition to another hook that makes mention of a defense holding their opponents' offense to a "season-low net total of 59 yards". I would argue that the majority of these terms are more obscure than "rushing" or "rushing yards". Of course, I have no idea how relatable "all-time rushing leader" would be to a reader who doesn't have any knowledge of the sport but I think that term would be easier to internalize than "fourth down conversion" or "bowl eligible". I had some pause about "breakout" but Cbl's links to the term being used in other context makes me think it would be alright to use it here. I like BeanieFan's hook quite a bit, though I would alter it only slightly to link the position in question:

ALT3b: ... that Stanford's E. J. Smith, son of the National Football League's all-time leading rusher, was named a 2022 breakout candidate at his father's position?

I think this hook gives appropriate context as to why both E. J. and Emmitt merit mentioning, apart from just familial relations (as in ALT4), and also uses the same terminology "all-time leading rusher" as is used (and linked) in the lead of Emmitt's article. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:03, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Alts 2, 3, 3a, and 3b would all be fine with me. I do think PNC02WPS has refined it best, though, with 3b. Out of the hundreds of hooks I've submitted in the past, I think this is now one of the best I've ever seen. (I predict > 10,000 hits.) Thanks for the good work, guys. Cbl62 (talk) 19:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I think ALT3b is an okay compromise. It mentions him being a breakout while also mentioning the father-son relationship. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Huliya (poem)

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• ... that Nirmalendu Goon shared his doubt about Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's political decision during 1969 Mass uprising in East Pakistan in his Huliya poem? Source: Daily Ittefaq

• ALT1 ... that in the Huliya poem, Nirmalendu Goon shared his doubt about Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's political decision during 1969 Mass uprising in East Pakistan?
  • Reviewed: Only nominated three hooks. Review doesn’t needed.
  • Comment: A copyedit and better hook suggestion will be appreciated.

Created by Mehediabedin (talk). Self-nominated at 08:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC).

• I added an optional Hook with the poem coming as the first wikilinked article. I also suggest sourcing some more phrases. I am not sure if we have some reviewers proficient of the Bengali script and language, but if they are on vacation, the possibilities of an approval per AGF might rise with a fully sourced article.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Paradise Chronicle: You can use google translator if you can't find reviewers proficient of the Bengali script and language. But I think you will. I can put more sources in the article. But they are not reputable newspaper/website and they repeat the same thing mentioned in the article. So I think it is not necessary to add extra sources. Also I added biography book of the poet in the "Further reading" section. The book mentions the background of his poem a little bit (actually echoed a portion of the article). But it is important for a reviewer like you that what you think about the issue. Mehedi Abedin 21:19, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
• Mehedi Abedin, ok, I am trying and it is interesting. Maybe it is noteworthy to mention that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman became the first President of Bangladesh? And on the comparison of the poem to a story by Abul Hasan, google translates it into a singular story, not the plural stories. Maybe this could be explained better.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Paradise Chronicle: Added according to your suggestion on the top. Also I expended the article with extra three new sources (especially the reception section). The story by Abul Hasan is a part of an interview in the source. The poet answered and told many things, I just collected the related things and written in the background section. If you can suggest how to explain it better then I can do something about that. Mehedi Abedin 11:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

• Mehedi Abedin, thank you for your effort, but I'll hope for a reviewer who knows the google translator a bit better than me. It is rather difficult and time consuming to google translate the sources, I might not know the best modality for it. But I'll encourage any reviewer who has better grasp on the Bengali language and script or google translate.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:19, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 2

World Heavyweight Championship (Los Angeles version)

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Jim Londos

• ... that Jim Londos (pictured) was one of four wrestlers recognized by The Ring magazine as pro wrestling's "true world champion" for holding both the Los Angeles and New York versions of the world title? Source: Tanabe, Hisaharu (2003). "World Heavyweight Title". Wrestling-Titles.com. Puroresu Dojo. Retrieved February 16, 2020.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Loli (district)

Created by 173.162.220.17 (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 01:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC).

Blue Ridge Sanatorium

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• ... that Blue Ridge Sanatorium was once a prizewinning pig farm? Source: "Moore's Brook Berkshires". The Southern Planter. Richmond, VA: The Southern Planter Publishing Company. June 1908. Retrieved July 24, 2022.
  • ALT1: ... that Blue Ridge Sanatorium was once a farm that bred prizewinning Berkshire pigs? Source: "Moore's Brook Berkshires". The Southern Planter. Richmond, VA: The Southern Planter Publishing Company. June 1908. Retrieved July 24, 2022.
  • ALT2: ... that while white tuberculosis patients were treated at Blue Ridge Sanatorium, black patients were required to travel to Piedmont Sanatorium? Source: Connolly, Cynthia A. (2008). Saving Sickly Children: The Tuberculosis Preventorium in American Life, 1909–1970. New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press. p. 79. ISBN 978-0-8135-4267-6.
  • ALT3: ... that while the Blue Ridge Sanatorium is no longer in use, its buildings were "mothballed" to National Park Service standards? Source: Rathbone, Emma; Minturn, Molly (Fall 2015). "Peculiar Properties". Virginia Magazine. UVA Alumni Association. Archived from the original on October 27, 2021. Retrieved July 24, 2022.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lee Wachtstetter
  • Comment: This is my first nomination (self-nomination). I appreciate your feedback.

Created by RexSueciae (talk). Self-nominated at 05:04, 8 August 2022 (UTC).

• Full review to follow, but the original review is probably the best option here. Spot check checks out however; QPQ is acknowledged even though it was not required. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Ossian D'Ambrosio

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• ... that Ossian D'Ambrosio regards his involvement in both modern Druidry and heavy metal music as good for his personal balance? Source: La Stampa ("Come Ossian riesca a conciliare tanta oscurità con la sua attività druidica alla festa celtica è presto spiegato. «La donna ha quattro archetipi, l'uomo soltanto due: una parte oscura e una solare, l'inverno e l'estate, lo sciamano e il cacciatore. Quando suono emerge la prima parte, quella più notturna, questo mi permette di stare in equilibrio." [How Ossian manages to reconcile so much darkness with his druidic activity at the Celtic festival is soon explained. 'The woman has four archetypes, the man only two: a dark and a sunny part, winter and summer, the shaman and the hunter. When I play the first part emerges, the more nocturnal one, this allows me to stay in balance.])
  • ALT1: ... that Ossian D'Ambrosio, the founder of a modern druid group in Italy, first approached modern Paganism through heavy metal music? Source: World Religions and Spirituality Project ("In 1988, he founded the Opera IX, a black metal band that is among the most long-running in Italy. This bond with music is very important to him, because it is through this musical genre that he approached paganism for the first time during his adolescence, thanks to the lyrics of various foreign bands.")
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Promethean gap

Created by Ffranc (talk). Self-nominated at 10:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - Possible issue with the citation on the second hook
• Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Of the two I think the second hook is the more interesting one, however the source used for that hook (which has only been discussed briefly at RSN is being flagged as having questionable reliability via the User:Headbomb/unreliable script. It appears to be an encyclopedia that is itself citing other sources, but it does appear to be a less-than-stellar source. Would you be able to find a different source that supports this content? That's the only potential issue I can find. Aoidh (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Added a supplementary Italian-language source ("...l'autore, che da tempo di occupa di occulto, prima come musicista della seminale band di pagan metal Opera IX, poi come druido e organizzatore del raduno celtico di Beltane." [...the author, who has been involved in the occult for a long time, first as a musician of the seminal pagan metal band Opera IX, later as druid and organizer of the Celtic Beltane gathering.] But I also kept Wrldrels, because I don't see what the problem is, and per WP:RSUE we should prioritise English-language sources. Wrldrels is written and edited by scholars and neutral in content and tone. In the link you posted the criticism consists of guilt by association with Massimo Introvigne and his organisation CESNUR. A quick search gives the indication that Wikipedia's problem with CESNUR has to do with its coverage of Scientology. There was a wave of interest in that on Wikipedia and other parts of the Internet in the late 2000s, and apparently CESNUR wasn't deemed critical enough. Whether that's a fair assessment or not, Wrldrels isn't CESNUR, the article here isn't by Introvigne, and the new religious movement here isn't Scientology. Ffranc (talk) 11:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I did a little more digging and it does seem like you're right that the CESNUR link is the issue with World Religions and Spirituality Project, which I was fine with discounting initially but I did more digging and it turns out that one of the two authors of your source is Stefania Palmisano, who it turns out serves on the CESNUR board of directors (the other author is a grad student). Given CESNUR's apparent biases in the area that this source is discussing, I don't think we can use it as a reliable source, especially per WP:SCHOLARSHIP as I could find no evidence of it being reviewed by the wider academic community in any way. Unfortunately the lastampa.it source doesn't say he approached modern paganism because of music, just that he was a musician before he was a druid and organizer. If possible I would suggest finding a more solid source for the second hook, but how about this for a hook:

• ALT2: ... that Ossian D'Ambrosio is an Italian heavy metal musician, artisan jeweler, journalist, and modern Druidry organizer?
• ALT3: ... that Ossian D'Ambrosio is a jeweler, an ecological modern druid organizer, author, journalist, and the founder of a symphonic heavy metal band?

It's interesting that he does all of those things and might be a good alternative to the hooks above. Do you think you'd be able to find a source for the journalist part that isn't the the WRSP source? - Aoidh (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with any of the alts. I removed "journalist" from the article and switched to "writer" in the lead, since he has written two books. The one other source I found for journalism only mentions that he writes for his organisation's publication, so it might be limited to that, and then it's not really worth mentioning.

But I still don't buy that there's any problem with the WRSP. The academic credentials are clearly there, and if there is to be an exception you need to provide something more substantial than guilt by association with CESNUR. Stefania Palmisano is an associate professor at the University of Turin and responsible for various academic publications. WRSP is directed by David G. Bromley, a professor at the Virginia Commonwealth University, which publishes the website. Lots of mainstream scholars are or have been involved in CESNUR in various capacities, because it's a prominent institution within the study of new religious movements. Having a connection to CESNUR doesn't mean that the credibility and reliability of other publications suddenly disappear, as if CESNUR carries some kind of plague that everything else must be kept at a safe distance from. Evidently, that isn't how scholars treat it: neither Palmisano, Bromley nor the Virginia Commonwealth University are treated as suspicious and unreliable. Ffranc (talk) 13:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 3

Megan Cornish

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Megan Cornish circa 1983

• ... that in 1974, Megan Cornish became one of the first female electricians in the United States after participating in an affirmative action program? Source: interview
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Gdańsk

Created by Mathieulalie (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 17:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC). FYI - this has been submitted to the GOCE for review. --evrik ^(talk) 17:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• Fascinating biography. Article is more than long enough, new enough (nominated within one day of being moved into main space), copyvio unlikely per Earwig. QPQ is done. Several issues that jump out at the moment: 1) The actual text of the hook doesn't actually appear anywhere in the actual article besides the lede, where it doesn't cite a specific source, so this needs to be addressed somehow. (At minimum, cite a source in the lede, and/or expand on the "one of the first" claim within the article body, citing a specific source.) 2) The source cited above (within the DYK nomination) is a YouTube interview with the subject, so it's a pr