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Count of DYK Hooks | ||
Section | # of Hooks | # Verified |
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April 9 | ||
April 15 | 1 | |
April 17 | 1 | |
April 18 | 1 | |
April 20 | 1 | |
April 22 | 1 | 1 |
April 23 | 1 | 1 |
April 25 | 1 | |
April 27 | 3 | 1 |
April 28 | 1 | 1 |
April 29 | 1 | |
April 30 | 1 | |
May 1 | 1 | |
May 2 | 2 | |
May 3 | 1 | |
May 4 | 1 | |
May 5 | 2 | 1 |
May 6 | 1 | 1 |
May 7 | 1 | 1 |
May 8 | 1 | 1 |
May 9 | 4 | 2 |
May 10 | 1 | |
May 12 | 4 | 2 |
May 13 | 3 | 1 |
May 14 | 1 | 1 |
May 15 | 1 | 1 |
May 16 | 5 | 3 |
May 17 | 2 | 1 |
May 18 | 1 | 1 |
May 19 | 5 | 5 |
May 20 | 3 | 2 |
May 21 | 4 | 3 |
May 22 | 7 | 4 |
May 23 | 6 | 6 |
May 24 | 5 | 4 |
May 25 | 8 | 7 |
May 26 | 15 | 14 |
May 27 | 11 | 8 |
May 28 | 10 | 6 |
May 29 | 4 | 4 |
May 30 | 10 | 7 |
May 31 | 4 | 4 |
June 1 | 2 | 2 |
June 2 | 8 | 8 |
June 3 | 4 | 4 |
June 4 | 9 | 8 |
June 5 | 8 | 5 |
June 6 | 13 | 11 |
June 7 | 3 | |
June 8 | 1 | |
June 9 | 2 | |
June 10 | 6 | |
June 11 | 3 | |
June 12 | 4 | |
June 13 | 8 | |
June 14 | ||
June 15 | 4 | |
June 16 | 6 | |
June 17 | 4 | |
June 18 | 5 | |
June 19 | 2 | |
Total | 229 | 132 |
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Frequently asked questions
[edit]How do I write an interesting hook?
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[edit]- Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
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- Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
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How to move a nomination subpage to a new name
[edit]- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations
[edit]Older nominations
[edit]Articles created/expanded on April 9
[edit]Articles created/expanded on April 15
[edit]Dilaw (song)
- ... that "Dilaw" was a dominant song in the Philippines and gained international recognition?
- Source: ABS-CBN, Billboard Philippines
- ALT1: ... that "Dilaw" reached the top spot on Billboard Philippines Hot 100 and Top Philippines Songs chart and entered the Spotify Global Chart at 200? Source: Billboard Philippines
- ALT2: ... that the creator of "Dilaw" Maki is a leading OPM artist with the most listeners on Spotify? Source: ABS-CBN CORPORATE, TRIBUNE
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chocolate in savory cooking
ROY is WAR Talk! 09:43, 20 April 2025 (UTC).
- Comment, I don't think any of the proposed ALTs are interesting enough - the first two basically say DYK that a song was popular, and the third isn't about the song, but the singer. Any alternatives? Eddie891 Talk Work 10:11, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Eddie891! Here's my alt 3:
- ALT 3: ...that "Dilaw" performed with Maki at LANY's concert at the Philippine Arena? GMA Network ROY is WAR Talk! 03:24, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- To me, this hook has a similar problem of interest- What is interesting about the fact that a singer performed one of their songs at a concert? Eddie891 Talk Work 06:31, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm thinking something like ALT4: ... that Dilaw was number one on a final singles chart and on two debut singles charts?--Launchballer 18:28, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
@Royiswariii: Long enough, new enough. None of the first four hooks meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE and upon further inspection my ALT4 doesn't check out either (refs 19 and 20 do not explicitly say that they are the final issues). I can call for another reviewer on ALT4a: ... that "Dilaw" topped the first two weeks of two singles charts? or you can propose me a hook about its parody.--Launchballer 11:28, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- Launchballer sure. I will create for another alt. ROY is WAR Talk! 11:35, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm thinking something like ALT4: ... that Dilaw was number one on a final singles chart and on two debut singles charts?--Launchballer 18:28, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- To me, this hook has a similar problem of interest- What is interesting about the fact that a singer performed one of their songs at a concert? Eddie891 Talk Work 06:31, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT5: "...that Filipino comedian Michael V. created a parody titled Hilaw, based on the song Dilaw by Maki?"Source: GMA Integrated News
- Launchballer you can change it if you want. The ALT4a is great too, i will leave to the reviewer what they'll pick.ROY is WAR Talk! 00:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- I like Michael V's work on Bubble Gang, but I really don't think we should go with ALT5 as I don't think it would appeal to non-Filipino readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- What is your opinion of my ALT4a Naruto?--Launchballer 21:45, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- A bit on the meh side, but I'm okay with it if there are no other better options. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Would you mind approving it then?--Launchballer 14:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- I would rather leave this to another editor, as I don't really think ALT4a is that interesting, just the best option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Would you mind approving it then?--Launchballer 14:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- A bit on the meh side, but I'm okay with it if there are no other better options. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- What is your opinion of my ALT4a Naruto?--Launchballer 21:45, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- I like Michael V's work on Bubble Gang, but I really don't think we should go with ALT5 as I don't think it would appeal to non-Filipino readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 17
[edit]Furhat (robot)
- ... that the Furhat social robot can track facial expressions and interact with up to ten people at once?
- Source: Biba, Jacob (May 8, 2024). "What Is a Social Robot?". Built In. Retrieved April 10, 2025.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Invited to submit a fact since article got a B rating in AfC
Viljowf (talk) 18:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC).
The article is new, long enough, and comprehensive. I do not see any neutrality or style concerns, but Gheus has placed the Template:Paid contributions tag. Is there anything wrong with the content of the article, Gheus? Surtsicna (talk) 22:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- You can remove it if you think it has no COI concerns. Gheus (talk) 06:13, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Viljowf: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:02, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- The COI was declared upon submission to AfC. I believe article complies fully with NPOV. Please remove the tag.Viljowf (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- Just noting that {{paid contributions}}/{{COI}} are maintenance templates and as such are not disqualifiers. If I remove the tag, I'll probably replace it with {{cleanup}} as this deserves it (to give a few examples, no sentence should start with 'and' and '(see below)' needs to go away).--Launchballer 10:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viljowf: I did some rudimentary cleanup myself. I ran this through GPTZero and it reckons part of this was AI-generated?--Launchballer 11:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- Just noting that {{paid contributions}}/{{COI}} are maintenance templates and as such are not disqualifiers. If I remove the tag, I'll probably replace it with {{cleanup}} as this deserves it (to give a few examples, no sentence should start with 'and' and '(see below)' needs to go away).--Launchballer 10:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
Marking for closure as the nominator did not respond to the above ping, and the nomination is already two months old. @Viljowf: Last chance to respond. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 18
[edit]Trichy assault rifle
- ... that the Trichy assault rifle is named after Ordnance Factory Tiruchirappalli in order to recognize its contribution in developing and manufacturing the rifle?
- ALT1: ... that the Trichy assault rifle was made to reduce dependence on purchasing the Bulgarian AR-M1 under Atmanirbhar Bharat?
- Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20240628105509/https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-insight/story/baby-tar-india-s-smallest-assault-rifle-1762654-2021-01-25
- https://web.archive.org/web/20240430130152/https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Tiruchirapalli/oft-launches-40-x-46-mm-under-barrel-grenade-launcher/article35683036.ece
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Multo (song)
- Comment: Got these two in mind. Don't mind other alternatives.
Ominae (talk) 06:39, 18 April 2025 (UTC).
- @Ominae: Just noting that this badly needs a copyedit and I have tagged this accordingly.--Launchballer 11:40, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
But on the other hand, I review oldest first, so it's this or something 5,000 words bigger, so I carried it out myself. This would still deserve {{lead too short}} but that's not a DYK issue. This is long enough and new enough. Earwig is clean. Your QPQ is sorely lacking in specifics, although as it seems to have gone through without a hitch I'll accept it. I don't consider ALT0 interesting (it's always going to be named after something) and ALT1 doesn't quite check out (it may have reduced imports but I don't see where either source says it was developed for that reason). I can suggest ALT2: ... that one police force tested the Trichy assault rifle in mud, rain, and saltwater before ordering? but I'd need to request another reviewer and I'll hear other suggestions.--Launchballer 12:35, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- Shame though... and I thought at least ALT0 would work. I have no problem doing an alternate ALT. Though wondering if there's edits that need to be done, @Launchballer:. Ominae (talk) 11:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
I must ask for another reviewer.--Launchballer 21:46, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. Ominae (talk) 03:37, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
Approved for ALT 2: "... that one police force tested the Trichy assault rifle in mud, rain, and saltwater before ordering?"
I had some technical issue accessing the source - I was partway through reading it and it glitched. I'm assuming good faith here, as it was matching what was in the article in that part of the source I could read.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 12:39, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @3family6: I want to rewrite as ALT 2 has "... the Central Reserve Police Force tested the Trichy assault rifle in mud, rain, and saltwater conditions for reliability and accuracy before making orders?" Ominae (talk) 03:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Ominae: sure thing!--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 05:27, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @3family6: Thanks. Ominae (talk) 12:16, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Ominae: sure thing!--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 05:27, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
ALT2 is really good (I like the original version by Launchballer better), but the article seems to cite a blog a few times? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:59, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Just going to comment that the TFB is a good reference to use. At least it doesn't go heavily political. Ominae (talk) 03:31, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 20
[edit]Lily Vorperian
- ... that according to one reviewer, to describe Lily Vorperian's work as embroidery was akin to "calling Coco Chanel a dressmaker"?
- Source:
To say Lily Vorperian does embroidery is a bit like calling Coco Chanel a dressmaker.
Hamilton, Denise (1995-07-27). "Stitches in Time : Through Her Elaborate, Intricate Works, Lily Vorperian Keeps Alive a Centuries-Old Art Form". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2025-04-19 – via Newspapers.com.
- ALT1: ... that embroiderer Lily Vorperian refused to sell her works in favor of loaning them to museums? Source:
But despite being offered tens of thousands of dollars for a piece, Vorperian's art is not for sale. She loans pieces to museums and cultural exhibits, but saves the rest.
Hamilton, Denise (1995-07-27). "Stitches in Time : Through Her Elaborate, Intricate Works, Lily Vorperian Keeps Alive a Centuries-Old Art Form". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2025-04-19 – via Newspapers.com. - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Spaceship House
- Comment: Article has her listed as a possibly living person, but trawling social media reveals that she likely died in 2008. However, the NEA didn't have her marked as deceased in a recent publication, so I'm currently scouring the internet for a RS to confirm one way or the other.
GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 20:13, 23 April 2025 (UTC).
- I will do this review. DaffodilOcean (talk) 11:39, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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Overall: I have some concerns about the sourcing (outside the hook sourcing which is fine).
1. There are personal details sourced to a masters' thesis, which would not be considered a reliable source (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP). I looked into this a little as I was concerned that her husband and father have the same first name, certainly not impossible but it caught my eye.
2. Reference 6 makes mention of a piece of art depicting a logo for the, but I did not see this mentioned in the cited newspaper article. Perhaps one of the pictures shows this logo, but that would be original research.
3. Reference 8 is a clip from newspapers.com, but the clipping does not mention Volperian's work.
4. I also don't think it's necessary to cite her daughter's dissertation to indicate the family connection (reference 10).
The article has some sentences that could use editing. For example, 'She carried on embroidering in her adult life and after her move to the United States and, in 1986, took part in a folk arts program in Los Angeles', has and odd combination of 'and' and commas that make it hard to follow. @GreenLipstickLesbian: - can you address these issues? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaffodilOcean (talk • contribs) 12:24, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- @GreenLipstickLesbian: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:14, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
@DaffodilOcean: Urgh, computer crashed after I'd finished writing this. Hopefully I can re-construct my work:
- Ah, I was wondering if somebody might bring this up! I agree that the fact it's a master's thesis isn't ideal, but if it helps, I'm not treating it as one - I'm treating it as the interview with Vorperian that it is. Crap for notability, obviously, but hopefully reliable enough for the uncontentious claims that Vorperian makes about herself and that were paraphrased by the student. So that means no claims about the impact of her work on Armenian art, no claims about who nominated her for the award, and no more broad facts about Armenian embroidery itself - but saying that she had three siblings, her parent's names and occupations, and who she married? Again, hopefully reliable enough, as long as I keep one eye on what is DUE given that is is roughly one level up from a SPS as far as that goes. The fact that her husband and father both had the same fairly common name doesn't raise any red flags for me, though the name is more typically romanized as Harutyun. Does this help?
- Reference 6: Ah, you're totally right on this; accidentally swapped two sources! It was in the 1982-1996 biographies of award winners compiled by the NEA. PDF numbers are a little off (there it's listed as 54 through 55), sorry, but on a related note I actually managed to find a Facebook post by the ARS showing the embroidery itself! Sorry, I know one of your other concerns was over-referencing, but I mean... it's gorgeous and it has the date she made it.
- Refence 8: Mind reading this again? Second column, second paragraph, lists Vorperian as one of the artists in the exhibit and details the time, location, and hosts that the other source omitted to mention.
- Reference 10: I see your point here, and I can remove it if you'd like. However, I would prefer to keep it in, as it's just another source confirming that Rita and Lily are related. Not that I have a mistrust for passing mentions in the captions of newspaper photographs or anything...
And yeah I know my writing sucks, sorry. I attribute it the fact that I learnt half my English grammar from Spanish and Japanese classes, and the other half through osmosis. If I can figure out a less awkward way to put things, I'll try, but, being honestly, my ulterior motive for any DYK submission is that it gets me a few free copy editors. I've split the example you listed into two sentences, hopefully that makes it better? GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 18:28, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- 1. For the master's thesis, I would find better sources than that for the statement about 'several exhibits in the California area'.
- 2. Thanks for updating the reference for the logo. However, Facebook is not a reliable source, so I would remove that. Please also correct the sentence that now says '..though om 1990...'.
- 3. This is my mistake, I did miss the brief note about her exhibit.
- 4. I would remove the dissertation. Her daughter's dissertation has no bearing on Lily's work and its presence here just seems to promote Rita's work.
- DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:58, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- @GreenLipstickLesbian: What else needs doing?--Launchballer 16:05, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've got some thoughts here; I'm sorry I'm being a bit slow, IRL responsibilities have had to take precedence over Wikipedia editing for the moment. @DaffodilOcean:
- 1. I've taken the sentence out until I find sources from the time/newspapers.com uploads more 1980s/1990s Californian newspapers.
- 2. Fixed the typo, but no, I'm not going to take out the facebook source on that basis. Facebook isn't a generally unreliable source - WP:FACEBOOK has the current community consensus on it. Facebook hosts a large amount of user generated material which is by and large somewhere between unreliable and very unreliable, but individual posts are only as reliable as the poster. In the case of the ARS, they should be reliable for the date a piece of artwork that was made for them. The sentence's previous construction was clumsy, with the "as of x date" styling, and citing the actual year allows me to avoid that.
- 4. I've thought about this one - readers aren't going to look at an unlinked referenced that is auto-collapsed for most viewers now, and on one of those articles that (while important!) will maybe only get five or so non-bot views a year, so I'm not too worried that it'll have any promotional effect on her work. That being said, a passing mention in a newspaper caption, especially one that's not really about Rita, isn't sufficiently reliable, from my POV, that I wouldn't want to try and confirm it in a better source. Especially given that the newspaper was published well before Rita did anything noteworthy! I know, when I first saw that connection, I spent quite a bit of time figuring out it it was the same Rita, or just another Armenian women from the same area with a similar last name, and I'd like not to make other editors follow the same path. I'd obviously like to replace the dissertation with a higher quality source, but given that she's a borderline notable academic (the award pushed her over the line for me, but the 2013 AFD no consensused for a reason), I don't think such a source is going to be available. For BLP reasons, I'd like to keep Rita's self-identification as Lily's daughter referenced for now. Alternatively, I'd remove the reference to her having a daughter at all - but then it's very likely that somebody would add the fact back in anyway, and given that it's true, I can't really in good faith revert such a change. Lesser of two less than ideal situations, in my book. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 05:38, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- @GreenLipstickLesbian:. Thanks for continuing to work on this.
- 3. The link you provide justifying Facebook is for external links, where Facebook may be appropriate. However, Facebook is user-generated content and is not appropriate as a reliable source (see WP:RSSELF). Please remove the link.
- 4. You have a detail from a reliable source about Lily's daughter. There is no reason for user-generated content to support the statement.
DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- @GreenLipstickLesbian: Please address the above.--Launchballer 14:04, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
@GreenLipstickLesbian: The nomination is already over two months old, so WP:DYKTIMEOUT already applies. The nomination may be closed without warning by another editor if you do not respond promptly. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 23
[edit]Articles created/expanded on April 25
[edit]Matthew Wild
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that when Matthew Wild directed Wagner's Tannhäuser, he made its main character gay?- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Huning
- Comment: Driveby nom per tipoff at ERRORS.
Launchballer 17:27, 1 May 2025 (UTC).
- What I said on ERRORS was that I was afraid something like this would happen. How is that interesting? I don't believe he would have been awarded "best staging of the year" for something that harmless. Matthew told a complex (fictive but based on real lives) story of a man fleeing the Nazis, becoming a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and professor of literature in California c. 1960, suffering a creative crisis and leaving everything, returning and then coming out causing a scandal at that time. This complex story-telling in analogy to the medieval character in a crisis and expelled by society (invented in the 19th century) won him the award, but is too complex for DYK rules. Therefore I intentionally did not nominate. Readers might rather be interested in Wild coming from from South Africa and the production at the Frankfurt Opera, again voted "best opera house". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that critics described the South African director Matthew Wild's production of Tannhäuser at the Frankfurt Opera as a "staging of the year"? (Source: BR Klassik: "Several productions have won the title of "Performance of the Year": Richard Wagner's "Tannhäuser" by Matthew Wild (Frankfurt Opera), etc.." (using Google Translate). Note: the WP article's editors have translated it as "staging of the year", which is likely to be more accurate than Google). Storye book (talk) 09:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- That's more to my liking, but it isn't just some critics, but an annual award from Opernwelt that gets to the news. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- like this --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1a: ... that Opernwelt gave the South African director Matthew Wild's production of Tannhäuser at the Frankfurt Opera its Staging of the Year award? Storye book (talk) 10:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that critics described the South African director Matthew Wild's production of Tannhäuser at the Frankfurt Opera as a "staging of the year"? (Source: BR Klassik: "Several productions have won the title of "Performance of the Year": Richard Wagner's "Tannhäuser" by Matthew Wild (Frankfurt Opera), etc.." (using Google Translate). Note: the WP article's editors have translated it as "staging of the year", which is likely to be more accurate than Google). Storye book (talk) 09:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Just as a comment and not a review, but honestly I do think that the original (and now struck) hook was the most interesting option and perhaps the one most likely to get non-specialist readers. I'm fine with ALT1a, but in terms of attracting readership it is admittedly weaker. @Launchballer: Do you find ALT1a fine, or is a new direction needed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that the original was far better, though can live with ALT1a.--Launchballer 10:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 27
[edit]Tommy Akingbesote, Kyonte Hamilton
- ... that American football players Tommy Akingbesote and Kyonte Hamilton grew up in the same community, play the same position, and were both selected in the seventh round of the 2025 NFL draft?
- Source: NYT (paywalled - can email you the password if you need to verify it)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Richard L. Morrill & Template:Did you know nominations/Margono Soekarjo (1/2)
- Comment: To do QPQs within two days.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC).
Reviewing... will post comments by tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 03:27, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Tommy Akingbesote review
- Article created on April 26, and nominated 8 days later on May 4. Long enough at just more than 1500 characters. Sourcing is adequate. The article is neutral in tone, and no plagiarism was detected. The QPQ requirement is complete. Tentatively approved pending discussion on the hook. Flibirigit (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Kyonte Hamilton review
- Article created on April 26, and nominated 8 days later on May 4. Long enough at just more than 2000 characters. Sourcing is adequate. The article is neutral in tone, and no plagiarism was detected. The QPQ requirement is complete. Tentatively approved pending discussion on the hook. Flibirigit (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
Although the hook appears to be true, how do we verify it? It would require the reader to look at both articles simultaneously to check citations, rather than just one article. That seems to be contrary to WP:DYKHFC? Since this is something I have not encountered before, I will ask at WT:DYK. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 21:06, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- I feel like I've had several hooks like this before...maybe asking is best. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- General discussion
I think the issue here is that the hook is basically just a double hook for the sake of being a double hook. They aren't even mentioned in each others' articles! As such, the hook as currently written is arguably synthesis. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Is it possible for you to propose separate solo hooks for both of them for now? If either ends up being more interesting than the double hook then it might be better to go with that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- BeanieFan11, the facts from ALT0 could also be added into both articles. I'm also content to wait on other opinions. There is no rush here. Flibirigit (talk) 14:05, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- The only other hook I can think of for either subject is ALT1: "... that despite being the number two wrestling prospect in the U.S., Kyonte Hamilton instead chose to focus on football and now plays in the NFL?" BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Do you want to proceed with ALT1? A possible hook for Akingbesote, could be him switching sports for the sake of a scholarship. Flibirigit (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit and Narutolovehinata5: OK, then we'll do ALT1 for Hamilton I guess and perhaps, for Akingbesote, maybe something like ALT2 ... that Tommy Akingbesote grew up playing basketball but switched to American football for the sake of a scholarship? or ALT3 ... that Tommy Akingbesote grew up playing basketball but switched to American football for the sake of a scholarship and now plays in the NFL? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Will review this tonight. Pinging is not needed. Flibirigit (talk) 14:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit and Narutolovehinata5: OK, then we'll do ALT1 for Hamilton I guess and perhaps, for Akingbesote, maybe something like ALT2 ... that Tommy Akingbesote grew up playing basketball but switched to American football for the sake of a scholarship? or ALT3 ... that Tommy Akingbesote grew up playing basketball but switched to American football for the sake of a scholarship and now plays in the NFL? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- The only other hook I can think of for either subject is ALT1: "... that despite being the number two wrestling prospect in the U.S., Kyonte Hamilton instead chose to focus on football and now plays in the NFL?" BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
For ALT1, this cited source [1], does not use the word prospect or recruit, so it's difficult to verify. Please note that sports jargon words such as prospect or recruit may not be universally recognizable to a broad audience. For ALT2 and ALT3, I cannot access the paywalled source. Is it possible to include the necessary details by using the |quote= parameter in the citation template? Flibirigit (talk) 21:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: Regarding ALT1, the source is an article about him committing to Rutgers and notes
He's the No. 2-ranked 220-pounder in the country
– that's always meant the no. 2 prospect / recruit as far as I'm aware (I think "recruit" is a pretty well-understood word, no?). For ALT2/3, here's a quote from the source: "He saw himself as a basketball player before making the switch to football as a junior at Charles Herbert Flowers High, because that was his best chance at a college scholarship." BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: Regarding ALT1, the source is an article about him committing to Rutgers and notes
Just Say Yes (Ted)
- ... that while auditioning for the first episode of Ted, Scott Grimes (pictured) was told to "[think of] All in the Family"?
- Reviewed:
Crystal Drawers (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2025 (UTC).
New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Hook fact is in article and reasonably interesting (needed adjustment in hook presentation as the quote includes brackets from source). Image is appropriately licensed for Main Page use. Good to go. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 20:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
@Crystal Drawers and Sammi Brie: I have no idea what this hook is trying to get at, and I doubt many non-Americans would either. Could we have a couple of ALTs suggested? (Also, the hook fact doesn't need to be in the lead per WP:LEADREL, but that's beyond DYK's purview.) ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Sure, here’s one I think could work
- ALT1: ... that actress Alanna Ubach had to audition several times for the first episode of Ted?
- Source: https://www.thewrap.com/ted-cast-auditions-max-burkholder-alanna-ubach-seth-macfarlane-peacock/ Crystal Drawers (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1 implies there was something wrong with Ubach's first audition, which feels unduly negative.--Launchballer 13:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- Does it really? I never thought of ALT1 as negative, and there doesn't seem to be any context in the hook that suggests it is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Auditions are usually unsuccessful for a reason, though I'm probably not going to hold this up for that reason.--Launchballer 14:09, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- Does it really? I never thought of ALT1 as negative, and there doesn't seem to be any context in the hook that suggests it is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1 implies there was something wrong with Ubach's first audition, which feels unduly negative.--Launchballer 13:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, everyone. I'm sorry, I didn’t receive notifications about these replies for some reason and just randomly stumbled upon them. I don’t think her having to audition a few times insinuates her doing a poor job, but if needed I can rephrase it. Maybe to …that actress Alanna Ubach had to audition several times to ensure she was right for the part of Susan for the first episode of Ted?. This might still hold the same issue, so let me know if it’s still not sufficient :) Crystal Drawers (talk) 11:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Also, there’d need to be a new main page image since the old one is of another actor, so I think the one seen here is good Crystal Drawers (talk) 11:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 29
[edit]Italian brainrot
- ... that Italian surrealist AI-generated images of creatures are popular on TikTok in Europe?
- Reviewed:
Thegoofhere (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2025 (UTC).
- Not a review, but I'd like to point out some things for the benefit of the first-time nominator here. The article in question is linked in bold from the hook, which I've done. Thegoofhere, there is also a failed verification tag that will need addressing before the page is passed. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 22:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- The failed verification tag has been remedied, albeit with a questionable source. Ca talk to me! 09:48, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Done I will review this nomination. This is my second one, so I will request a second opinion. NeoGaze (talk) 10:17, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
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Overall: The article was created on 26 April, and was nominated for DYK on 3 May, which is a few hours after seven days. It is long enough with 5853 characters (896 words) of readable prose size. No copyright violations, plagiarism or close paraphrasing have been found in the article. The issue with this nomination is the provided hook, which in my opinion is not particularly interesting or intriguing, and its cited source at no point mentions this trend is particularly popular in Europe, just popular in general. Since the picture used is AI generated, it holds no copyright. It also looks good and clear at a 100px. A QPQ is not required for this nomination. I suggest the editor provides a new hook(s), if you need help or want suggestion for hooks, you can contact me in my talk page. NeoGaze (talk) 14:46, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Thegoofhere: Hello, are you planning to continue with this nomination? NeoGaze (talk) 19:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- uh-huh --Thegoofhere (talk) 22:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 30
[edit]Soliloquy
- ... that Hamlet's iconic “To be, or not to be” speech might not be a true soliloquy, but a calculated act meant to deceive?
- ALT1: ... that a character does not always have to be alone for a soliloquy to happen? Source: https://liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/wlf/what-soliloquy-definition-and-examples
- Reviewed:
MallardTV Talk to me! 11:29, 30 April 2025 (UTC).
- DYK compliance check:
- Topic is encyclopedic
- Article created November 20, 2003. Qualification for DYK is per 5x expansion.
- Article is minimum length for DYK (2953 words)
- Article is well-sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant, and copyvio-free.
- Article is presentable
- All hooks are cited to a reliable source
- All hooks are short enough.
- All hooks are interesting. I am veering towards the first because the wording gives it a mysterious quality.
- Not applicable: hook does not have image
- Not applicable: QPQ not required
- RESULT:
ViperSnake151 Talk 02:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
Reopened per WT:DYK. Big sourcing deficiencies here.--Launchballer 22:16, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Just noting that this is now at WP:GAR, so will need to go on hold anyway.--Launchballer 14:30, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
Marking this for closure as MallardTV indicated he would not be able to address the GAR concerns, meaning the article is almost certainly going to be delisted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 1
[edit]Jim Lankas
- ... that when tackling, "Jarring Jim" was "mean, very mean, very mean"?
- ALT1:
... that Jim Lankas began wrestling in Wichita, Kansas, after someone at a fight did not show up, and Lankas decided to take the wrestler's place?Source: Wichita Beacon - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dimitar Agura
- Comment:
To do QPQ within 24 hours.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2025 (UTC).
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Overall: @BeanieFan11: Article was recently 5x expanded. Sources verify hooks. No copyvio detected. Hooks are interesting and cited. QPQ done. I do think ALT1 is more interesting though. I would rewrite ALT1 as "that Jim Lankas began his wrestling career after someone at a fight did not show up, and Lankas decided to take the wrestler's place". It doesn't matter that it was in Wichita. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:52, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- @WikiOriginal-9: OK, see ALT2
... that Jim Lankas began his wrestling career after someone at a fight did not show up and Lankas decided to take the wrestler's place?BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:42, 1 June 2025 (UTC)- Looks good. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- iiiii'm not sure that ALTs 1 and 2 are a faithful interpretation of the source. The Witchita Beacon just says:
That doesn't necessarily sound like Lankas was in the audience and decided to hop in the ring on a whim – it sounds like he already wanted to be a wrestler and his debut match happened to be subbing for someone else, given that he then played the full season (presumably signups would have closed before the season started). I don't think ALT0 passes DYKINT, but I wouldn't stop someone else from promoting it, but striking ALTs 1 and 2. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:18, 15 June 2025 (UTC)Lankas has impressed Wichita fans this season by defeating all opponents including tough Jack Suzek. He made his introduction in the ring here when a wrestler failed to show last winter and he entered the ring as a sub. He showed his grid knowledge stood him in good stead as a wrestler.
- iiiii'm not sure that ALTs 1 and 2 are a faithful interpretation of the source. The Witchita Beacon just says:
- Looks good. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Pulled per a WT:DYK discussion regarding the hook's interestingness. A new hook will be needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 2
[edit]James Bunbury White
- ... that the first North Carolina senator from Columbus County, James Bunbury White, was the founder of Whiteville, North Carolina?
- Source: Wilcox, George W. (May 1993). "Profile of an Irish Lady: Bridget Day Beatty" (PDF). Lower Cape Fear Historical Society, Inc. Bulletin. XXXVIII (3). Wilmington, North Carolina.
"Chap. LX" (PDF). Carolana.
"Cape Fear Pride Whiteville: Founder James B. White". WWAY3. March 5, 2009.
Aneirinn (talk) 17:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC).
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Overall: The hook says, he was the founder of Whitesville, but the lead speaks of Whiteville. - A typo? Munfarid1 (talk) 13:58, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- The hook said Whitesville because Whiteville was originally established as Whitesville, however, the hook has now been changed to say Whiteville. Aneirinn (talk) 17:00, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing this up. Now the review is
. Munfarid1 (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
@Aneirinn and Munfarid1: This comes nowhere close to meeting WP:DYKINT unless there's something I've missed; a new hook is needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing this up. Now the review is
100 men versus a gorilla
- ... that 100 men can beat a gorilla?
- ALT1: ... that people think a single gorilla can kill 100 men? Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2025/04/30/experts-discuss-100-men-vs-gorilla/83367073007/
- Reviewed:
Thegoofhere (talk) 19:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC).
DYK is not for any random fact—it's to direct readers to relatively new articles on Wikipedia. Your hook needs to contain a link to an article that is new enough to be eligible for the "Did you know" section. See WP:DYKNEW for the eligibility requirements. Mz7 (talk) 21:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've added links to the article in question nowThegoofhere (talk) 22:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that to defeat a gorilla, 100 men may "envelop the gorilla and create a human straightjacket"? Bremps... 01:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Full review needed.--Launchballer 21:43, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- As fun as the article is, I'm not sure it can survive AfD. I'll leave that to a reviewer though. Bremps... 01:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that to defeat a gorilla, 100 men may "envelop the gorilla and create a human straightjacket"? Bremps... 01:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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Overall:
ALT2 is the only hook approved. ALT0 takes it a bit farther than the article (pretty much all statements on who wins in the article are attributed to some expert), and ALT1 doesn't really appear in the article (no info about public opinion overall). I'm not really sure where the concern for notability comes from: this is pretty far from WP:ROUTINE, and it's got plenty of secondary sources. Despite the orange tag at time of writing, all sources look fine. New reviewer. Based5290 :3 (talk) 04:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Thegoofhere: ALT2 won't fly either; you've got one opinion in wikivoice. New hook needed.--Launchballer 00:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
If none of the hooks will fly, this shouldn't be on the Approved page. Marking that there's an issue, and moving the nomination back to the Nominations page. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thought that the quotes would've made it clear enough that it wasn't in wikivoice, sorry about that. ALT3: ... that according to a Zoo Miami staff member, to defeat a gorilla, 100 men may "envelop the gorilla and create a human straightjacket"? Based5290 :3 (talk) 09:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 3
[edit]Torta caprese
- ... that according to one hypothesis, Torta caprese was first created for the Italian-American mafia? Source: Davies, Emiko (25 October 2016). "The Crazy Good Flourless Chocolate Cake With an Even Crazier Backstory". Food52. Archived from the original on 24 January 2025. Retrieved 16 March 2025.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1981 Brooklyn County District Attorney election
- Comment: Another cake DYK.
Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:19, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
As flagged at WT:DYK, I am uncomfortable with the sourcing for this DYK hook. It's hardly a "hypothesis" but rather more like an "urban legend" that no one will seriously "test". When you go back to the sources, they discuss the claim very vaguely and unconvincingly. This is precisely the kind of claim that lands at WP:ERRORS. It's really confusing within the article itself as well – are we saying that the cake originated in Capri, but that it's possible the Italian-American mafia might have invented it in the United States? @Vacant0, BeanieFan11, History6042, and Chiswick Chap: Pinging. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle, BeanieFan11, and Vacant0: How does this ALT sound? ALT1 ... that the Torta caprese (pictured) has been referred to as "one of history's most fortunate mistakes"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:47, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me! Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1 hook looks OK but the article is still not OK. It currently says,
"It originates from the island of Capri, however its story is disputed."
We are stating in wikivoice that the cake's origins in the island of Capri are a FACT (citing just one source, an Australian foodie channel). And then we're saying the origins are "disputed" and uses words like "hypothesis". It's clumsy and misleading, almost like we're saying this is a deep academic debate between historians when in fact it's just food journalists and recipe writers writing breezy magazine stories – which is fine but then let's revise to present it more like it is (urban myth? pop culture? meme? but not science and not serious history). And if the encyclopedic entry is stating as fact that the cake originated in Capri, are there other sources we could cite? Until it's fixed I frankly am not sure it's main page or even GA-worthy. Maybe that's harsh but that's what some critics will say at WP:ERRORS on the day...and it's a picture hook so it gets extra scrutiny. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:37, 3 June 2025 (UTC)- Hey, @Cielquiparle:. Could you take a look at the article again? I've rewrote that part and added attributions where applicable. For the origin, I've added sources from The New York Times and La Cucina Italiana. I've removed Cookist but kept Food52, considering that the article was written by a cookbook author. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hey Vacant0. The sourcing seems a bit better. Could you revise the lede and make sure it actually says what you mean it to say? "Conjecture" maybe? Surely not "hypothesis". What does it mean that its story is "disputed"? Are your sources saying "no, the claim that this originates in Capri is incorrect"? I'm not sure they are. Maybe they're saying "here are some other popular stories that people like to tell about its origins"; they simply exist as alternate word-of-mouth explanations...that I think you're suggesting are completely unreliable and untrue since you're certain the cake originated in Capri? Cielquiparle (talk) 13:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think I phrased that incorrectly. No one is disputing that the cake originates from Capri. I've forgot to update the lede, should be good now though. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: Is this approved? If not, what else needs doing?--Launchballer 14:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- It is better than before. My big objection has been addressed. Might be good to have someone else look at it. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: Is this approved? If not, what else needs doing?--Launchballer 14:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think I phrased that incorrectly. No one is disputing that the cake originates from Capri. I've forgot to update the lede, should be good now though. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hey Vacant0. The sourcing seems a bit better. Could you revise the lede and make sure it actually says what you mean it to say? "Conjecture" maybe? Surely not "hypothesis". What does it mean that its story is "disputed"? Are your sources saying "no, the claim that this originates in Capri is incorrect"? I'm not sure they are. Maybe they're saying "here are some other popular stories that people like to tell about its origins"; they simply exist as alternate word-of-mouth explanations...that I think you're suggesting are completely unreliable and untrue since you're certain the cake originated in Capri? Cielquiparle (talk) 13:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hey, @Cielquiparle:. Could you take a look at the article again? I've rewrote that part and added attributions where applicable. For the origin, I've added sources from The New York Times and La Cucina Italiana. I've removed Cookist but kept Food52, considering that the article was written by a cookbook author. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1 hook looks OK but the article is still not OK. It currently says,
- Sounds good to me! Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle, BeanieFan11, and Vacant0: How does this ALT sound? ALT1 ... that the Torta caprese (pictured) has been referred to as "one of history's most fortunate mistakes"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:47, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 4
[edit]Deportation and detention of American citizens in the second Trump administration
- ... that Jose Hermosillo was detained for 10 days by the United States for entering the country illegally despite the fact that he hadn't entered illegally and was an American citizen?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This was submitted a little over a week (created on May 4 but submitted on May 12) but I wasn't sure was any flexibility on that. But it has expanded 5x since May 5 so maybe that is good enough to qualify.
Remember (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC).
- Support, and thanks. Btyner (talk) 22:16, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. @Remember: I can only speak for myself, but I don't see the submission date as the major problem. The article needs a lot of work to meet DYK and I wouldn't pass it in its current state. You could try to do a marathon cleanup session like you did before, but you would have to put a lot of time and energy into fixing this from where I stand. Perhaps you can start by replacing the massive number of quotes with simple paraphrasing. I would say that half of the quotes should not even be there because they should be easily paraphrased. Then you've got the problem of the small sections with one or two sentences. The sourcing is high quality, so that's good, but the content needs to be written for Wikipedia using house style. Viriditas (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Ok. I think I can do that. Is there a time frame that this needs to be accomplished by? Remember (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:DYKTIMEOUT. Viriditas (talk) 21:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Got it. Ok. I think I have time. Remember (talk) 22:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: What about now? Remember (talk) 16:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: Using a hatnote, the lead section, or a series sidebar, try to figure out how to immediately tell the reader how this fits into the larger topic. You've currently got deportation of Americans from the United States but it should be linked at the top in the lead or as a hatnote or as a series template. In turn, it should be made clear right away that this is part of the larger topic, deportation in the second presidency of Donald Trump, which depends on the interpretation of the laws discussed at deportation of Americans from the United States. You may also want to compare this to other kinds of deportations linked at activist deportations in the second Trump presidency and possibly list of immigration raids in the second Trump presidency. All I'm trying to say is place the entire subject you are writing about in the appropriate context for a reader who knows nothing about the subject. The background and the lead section might be a good place to briefly do this. Your background section uses voice that is less than ideal and represents a kind of breaking news rather than encyclopedic house style. Try to reframe this as if you are writing about it 20 years from now (even though it is happening now). Viriditas (talk) 22:40, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Will do!
- @Viriditas: Tried to fix the issue you raised. Remember (talk) 02:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: You're definitely on the road to improvement and you're headed in the right direction. However, please go back and read the article again. It needs more revisions. Focus on one section at a time. Viriditas (talk) 02:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Tried again. Remember (talk) 02:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: The article is looking much improved and presentable. I think you're at a new stage now, where you just need to pluck and prune and you should be done. So go back through now and delete anything that looks like it doesn't belong. Viriditas (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Will do! Remember (talk) 20:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: The article is looking much improved and presentable. I think you're at a new stage now, where you just need to pluck and prune and you should be done. So go back through now and delete anything that looks like it doesn't belong. Viriditas (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Tried again. Remember (talk) 02:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: You're definitely on the road to improvement and you're headed in the right direction. However, please go back and read the article again. It needs more revisions. Focus on one section at a time. Viriditas (talk) 02:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Tried to fix the issue you raised. Remember (talk) 02:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Will do!
- @Remember: Using a hatnote, the lead section, or a series sidebar, try to figure out how to immediately tell the reader how this fits into the larger topic. You've currently got deportation of Americans from the United States but it should be linked at the top in the lead or as a hatnote or as a series template. In turn, it should be made clear right away that this is part of the larger topic, deportation in the second presidency of Donald Trump, which depends on the interpretation of the laws discussed at deportation of Americans from the United States. You may also want to compare this to other kinds of deportations linked at activist deportations in the second Trump presidency and possibly list of immigration raids in the second Trump presidency. All I'm trying to say is place the entire subject you are writing about in the appropriate context for a reader who knows nothing about the subject. The background and the lead section might be a good place to briefly do this. Your background section uses voice that is less than ideal and represents a kind of breaking news rather than encyclopedic house style. Try to reframe this as if you are writing about it 20 years from now (even though it is happening now). Viriditas (talk) 22:40, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: What about now? Remember (talk) 16:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- Got it. Ok. I think I have time. Remember (talk) 22:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:DYKTIMEOUT. Viriditas (talk) 21:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Ok. I think I can do that. Is there a time frame that this needs to be accomplished by? Remember (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
@Viriditas: Ok. I think it looks good now, but I can prune more if you think some sections are too big.Remember (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: You're missing a citation in the first paragraph of this section. I suspect it was previously sourced, in which case you need to re-add the citation that disappeared. Viriditas (talk) 23:22, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Done. Remember (talk) 00:41, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: Take a close look at the series of edits I just made and try to implement that style across the board. Viriditas (talk) 00:42, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Made further edits. Remember (talk) 01:08, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: Just removed move unsourced material.[2] Add it back with citations if you can. I don't want to fail this nom, but I might if this continues as it doesn't look like it is ready at this time. Please clean it up and make sure everything is cited. Viriditas (talk) 20:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Sorry. I hadn't added that material and thought it was cited. I'll look for anything that isn't cited. Remember (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: Please read through and review the entire article, not just the material you authored. Viriditas (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Done. Please let me know if there is anything else that needs to be done. Remember (talk) 13:57, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: Please read through and review the entire article, not just the material you authored. Viriditas (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Sorry. I hadn't added that material and thought it was cited. I'll look for anything that isn't cited. Remember (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: Just removed move unsourced material.[2] Add it back with citations if you can. I don't want to fail this nom, but I might if this continues as it doesn't look like it is ready at this time. Please clean it up and make sure everything is cited. Viriditas (talk) 20:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Made further edits. Remember (talk) 01:08, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Remember: Take a close look at the series of edits I just made and try to implement that style across the board. Viriditas (talk) 00:42, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: Done. Remember (talk) 00:41, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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Overall: Adding preliminary review to get the ball rolling. I know I won't be able to approve a hook because I've made far too many edits trying to clean this up, but I do at least want to try moving this forward. @Remember: as much as I want to see you succeed, this nomination was not ready at the time it was submitted. You've still got issues in the article. Right now, the Earwig report shows problems.[3] Try to get in a habit of running that at the beginning. That report shows a failure to paraphrase Insha Rahman, so rewrite that. Viriditas (talk) 19:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for submitting something that was not ready for DYK. Won't happen again. And thank you for all your help in making this a much better article. I really appreciate it! If it fails DYK, so be it. Just trying to do my best to make it a good article. Also, I fixed the Insha Rahman issue. Remember (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 5
[edit]George Attla
- ... that champion sprint musher George Attla spent years of his childhood hospitalized with tuberculosis?
Annwfwn (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2025 (UTC).
- Comment — Uninteresting as written when it's well known that his leg was fused as a result of the tuberculosis and he still went on win tons of competitions in spite of the disability. Also, using a paid obituary for the source when there's seemingly no end to actual reliable sources discussing his life? Similarly, using a non-free image scavenged off the web when there are numerous publications with expired copyrights containing photos of Attla? To the latter point, as we continue to claim to be a collaborative environment, all you had to do was ask. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- I added a different source, there are plenty. Perhaps you can find an image? This is, as you pointed out, a collaborative project. I did not find numerous publications where the copyright had expired and so left the image placed by a previous editor. Annwfwn (talk) 10:40, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
Almost a month since the last work on this nom and there has been no improvement to the image or to the hook. @Annwfwn: Please have both matters remedied in the next 48 hours or I think we should pass on this for DYK. Consider RadioKAOS's suggestion for an ALT hook. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- I have been unable to locate a free image, perhaps one exists but not one I can undoubtedly prove is no longer protected by copywrite. Per WP:DYKIMG, fair use images are not permitted on the main page, but I do not see anywhere that they cannot be used in the article itself - if this is the case, I can remove it. As far as the hook, I can rewrite the hook, but frankly I'm surprised that anyone outside of Alaska or the dog mushing world would be familiar with this. I'm also surprised to have a vote for decline as this DYK has never been formally reviewed. Annwfwn (talk) 18:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
There seems to be a disconnect on the two issues here. The first is that you're correct about fair use images being permitted in articles, but that fair use is only for when we don't have access to images that are outside of copyright. I'm not sure why RadioKAOS is certain there are images of the subject outside of copyright, but I'll let them explain if they'd like. The second issue is that the hook, as is, is uninteresting. A more interesting detail of this subject is that which RadioKAOS highlighted above regarding overcoming a significant childhood disease. If you require further explanation, please ping me! ~ Pbritti (talk)
Articles created/expanded on May 9
[edit]Pilot (Arrested Development)
- ... that the pilot to Arrested Development has been compared to Plato's Allegory of the cave?
- Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that the pilot to Arrested Development has been described as an "early adapter to the changing economic mood [towards America] in the 2000s"? Source: https://www.pastemagazine.com/comedy/arrested-development/arrested-development-turns-20-now-the-story-of-a-wealthy-family-who-lost-everything
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Crystal Drawers (talk) 02:41, 9 May 2025 (UTC).
GA status, length, hook, close paraphrasing check ok. No QPQ needed. I prefer ALT0. --Soman (talk) 20:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
@Crystal Drawers and Soman: per discussion at WT:DYK, I've pulled this one out of queue because of unresolved sourcing questions. I'll come back around in a bit to summarize where my thoughts are :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
@Crystal Drawers: Thanks for waiting, and sorry for a long message in advance! So, you mentioned this draft of a possible addition to the Manual of Style – I would say that even if it were part of the MoS, it still wouldn't supersede the basic principles of what goes into an article. Neither does the fact that some or even many other articles aren't written to the same standards – lots of articles were written at a time when standards were lower or in a topic area where enforcement of policy is less rigorous, but that doesn't mean that policy shouldn't be enforced rigorously.
As to what discourages using DVD extras: I would argue that a core principle on Wikipedia is that our coverage of a topic is shaped by independent, professional sources. They're the people we trust to separate what's important and true from what isn't, and overusing self-published material gets in the way of that ideal. The guideline I'll cite here is WP:SELFSOURCE, which says that people can be reliable sources of information about themselves as long as the source does not involve claims about third parties
; it also says that use of self-sourced material should be minimal; the great majority of any article must be drawn from independent sources
. I do see some self-published sources being used for claims about third parties, and I wouldn't say that the use of non-independent sources in the article is minimal.
I do think that correcting the first one would go a long way towards addressing the second, so I hope I'm not pushing too much of a burden on you! Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help :) also, I kinda wanna get around to watching this show now. it's been on my list forever...theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:42, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: What makes citing DVD extras different to citing the episode itself, which is allowed per WP:PLOTSOURCE?--Launchballer 21:22, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I'd say that plot is different from real-world information. PLOTSOURCE is a specific carveout from our general policy of prioritizing secondary and independent sources, in recognition of the fact that the plot of a work is self-contained and easily accessible, so all we have to do is summarize the information the same way we would any other source. If we required a professional org to do that work first, we just wouldn't have plot sections in most book articles (even though I do like secondarily-sourced plot summaries where available). Still – we wouldn't, for example, cite a DVD extra for interpretation of the work. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- In which case, @Crystal Drawers: please address the above.--Launchballer 22:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: @Launchballer:, I apologize for my lateness, I have a lot of testing this week so I have been studying instead of doing my usual Wikipedia editing. I will have it done by the end of the weekend Crystal Drawers (talk) 02:14, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- No rush, Crystal Drawers, best of luck on your tests!! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: @Launchballer:, I apologize for my lateness, I have a lot of testing this week so I have been studying instead of doing my usual Wikipedia editing. I will have it done by the end of the weekend Crystal Drawers (talk) 02:14, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- In which case, @Crystal Drawers: please address the above.--Launchballer 22:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I'd say that plot is different from real-world information. PLOTSOURCE is a specific carveout from our general policy of prioritizing secondary and independent sources, in recognition of the fact that the plot of a work is self-contained and easily accessible, so all we have to do is summarize the information the same way we would any other source. If we required a professional org to do that work first, we just wouldn't have plot sections in most book articles (even though I do like secondarily-sourced plot summaries where available). Still – we wouldn't, for example, cite a DVD extra for interpretation of the work. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ Irwin, William (November 8, 2011). Arrested Development and Philosophy: They've Made a Huge Mistake. Wiley. ISBN 9781118146262.
Agnes Gallus
- ... that Agnes Gallus fled Hungary during the 1956 revolution and moved to Canada, where she became a respected artist while raising children as a single mother? Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/facts-and-arguments/agnes-szentgyorgyi-gallus/article568112/ (the obituary covers the timeline of her leaving Hungary in 1956, going to Canada in 1957, separating from her husband in 1968, and becoming a successful artist)
BuySomeApples (talk) 03:39, 10 May 2025 (UTC).
Noting that there is a pending AfD nomination on this page. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 05:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
DYK closed as no consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 10
[edit]Mykola Chaikovsky
- ... that Ukrainian mathematician Mykola Chaikovsky wrote the first Ukrainian-language science fiction novel? Source: https://fantlab.org/blogarticle37223 and https://archivsf.narod.ru/1887/nikolay_chaykovskiy/index.htm
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:24, 10 May 2025 (UTC).
- This is not a review, but how well-attested is the claim that the novel was the first Ukrainian-language sci-fi novel? That's quite a bold and exceptional claim, and per the guidelines such claims require exceptional sourcing to make sure that it's actually true. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:58, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I agree the current sourcing is so-so; the cited source (FantLab) is not listed as unreliable, but it also does not strike me as scholarly. Unfortunately, if better sources exist, they are in Ukranian/Russian, and searching in these languages is hard for me (I've asked AI to search for scholarly sources in ru/uk; if I find anything better I'll update this post). I've proposed a safer ALT1 below, backed up by a reliable English ref. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:27, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Ukrainian mathematician Mykola Chaikovsky wrote one of the first Ukrainian science fiction novels and published it in Poland? Source: https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/ukraine
- I would steer away from "first" and focus on other aspects of the book's early focus on solar power (I think that meets WP:DYKFICTION?). Also, the Wikipedia content is verbatim from SFE. Viriditas (talk) 20:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: This is why I said "one of the first". As far as I can tell from my research, this is correct - and the work is also called THE first work of SF in Ukrainian language. Anyway, "one of the first" should really be not a controversial claim. As for SFE - possible, since I write it (the SFE entry), just like I wrote our entry (I was working on both at the same time, in fact) and I retain the copyright to the original (SFE does not require copyright transfer; no document was signed to that effect). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:55, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- So you are writing and citing yourself? That’s a separate problem altogether. I will let others address it. Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: The source is reliable, and this has been passed by COIN, where I've asked about this in the past - and was told this conforms to WP:SELFCITE (it has also been discussed in some prior DYK noms (ex. here) and found to be fine). So there's no "problem". --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:14, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: What @Piotrus: is doing conforms to WP:CITESELF, do you plan on returning to this?--Launchballer 07:19, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I can, but I would like additional input on the use of "first" here. Piotrus says this isn't controversial, yet must also be aware that the wording is discouraged on DYK because it often turns out to be wrong. Viriditas (talk) 20:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: To address this I proposed the ALT1, with weaker "one of the first". That is pretty safe. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:39, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Why not avoid the issue altogether by using wording that avoids "first", such as early, etc? We know the problem, so why return to it? It was an early example of science fiction in the Ukrainian-language. Isn't that good enough? Also, there's probably so many more interesting things to say, why return to this? Viriditas (talk) 01:01, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: To address this I proposed the ALT1, with weaker "one of the first". That is pretty safe. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:39, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I can, but I would like additional input on the use of "first" here. Piotrus says this isn't controversial, yet must also be aware that the wording is discouraged on DYK because it often turns out to be wrong. Viriditas (talk) 20:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: What @Piotrus: is doing conforms to WP:CITESELF, do you plan on returning to this?--Launchballer 07:19, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 12
[edit]Nucleariid

... that nucleariid amoebae are the closest relatives of fungi?
- Source: Tedersoo, Leho; Sánchez-Ramírez, Santiago; Kõljalg, Urmas; Bahram, Mohammad; Döring, Markus; Schigel, Dmitry; May, Tom; Ryberg, Martin; Abarenkov, Kessy (2018). "High-level classification of the Fungi and a tool for evolutionary ecological analyses". Fungal Diversity. 90 (1): 135–159. doi:10.1007/s13225-018-0401-0. ISSN 1560-2745.
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— Snoteleks (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC).
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- If we are being precise, the source does not say nucleariids are the closest relative of fungi; it says they "form the earliest branch in the holomycotan clade (fungi and closest relatives)". The source cites research that notes they are close relatives, but the source does not say they are the closest relatives.
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Overall: Some alternative hooks would be good. It would be better if it said that nucleariid amoebae are among the closest relatives of fungi. Aneirinn (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Aneirinn: Fair enough. I changed the reference, let me know if that works for you. — Snoteleks (talk) 00:15, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- After reading this new one, I believe this hook might be controversial as it seems some might consider the closest relative of fungi to be Rozellomyceta or Rozellomycota. Aneirinn (talk) 00:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Well, mycologists agree that Rozellomycota are fungi, same with Aphelidiomycota (see for example this ref, which is the outline of fungal classification). While it is true that these "lower fungi" were often traditionally studied by protistologists as protists, modern protistologists agree that they belong to the Fungi (see doi:10.1111/jeu.12691 for the scientific consensus of protistologists). If you still don't change your mind, I'll re-write it. — Snoteleks (talk) 01:21, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- I agree, the scientific consensus does seem to be that they are fungi. I still am unsure if nucleariid amoebae are the closest relatives of fungi. I have looked for it but have not been able to see where it says that in the source. Aneirinn (talk) 17:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Aneirinn: The source has a cladogram depicting the relationship, and it shows nucleariids ("kingdom Nucleariae") as the sister group of the kingdom Fungi. This relationship is also explained in the taxonomic section, where the two kingdoms are grouped within superkingdom Holomycota. There are no other kingdoms included there. — Snoteleks (talk) 21:33, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- I agree, the scientific consensus does seem to be that they are fungi. I still am unsure if nucleariid amoebae are the closest relatives of fungi. I have looked for it but have not been able to see where it says that in the source. Aneirinn (talk) 17:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- Well, mycologists agree that Rozellomycota are fungi, same with Aphelidiomycota (see for example this ref, which is the outline of fungal classification). While it is true that these "lower fungi" were often traditionally studied by protistologists as protists, modern protistologists agree that they belong to the Fungi (see doi:10.1111/jeu.12691 for the scientific consensus of protistologists). If you still don't change your mind, I'll re-write it. — Snoteleks (talk) 01:21, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- After reading this new one, I believe this hook might be controversial as it seems some might consider the closest relative of fungi to be Rozellomyceta or Rozellomycota. Aneirinn (talk) 00:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think the current hook will survive scrutiny, either at WT:DYK or at WP:ERRORS. Newly-added guidelines at DYKG state that exceptional claims, to which "closest relatives to fungi" is an example of, require exceptional sourcing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Snoteleks: I have struck the original hook as being an exceptional claim that is unlikely to survive scrutiny. Please propose a new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Understandable. I will propose a new hook soon. Thanks — Snoteleks (talk) 02:18, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
Alena Veselá
- ... that Alena Veselá (pictured), an international concert organist from Brno, became rector of the Janáček Academy of Performing Arts there after the Soviet period? Source: [4]
- Reviewed: Isabel Garcés, Big Stone County Museum
- Comment: We could add that she was the first and so far only woman on that post.
Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 19 May 2025 (UTC).
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Overall: I think we could drop the word "there", which seems superfluous and a little awkward, as it refers back to the academy. Munfarid1 (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
@Munfarid1 and Gerda Arendt: I don't find the current hook that interesting. Perhaps something on how she played a suite in concert on her 99th birthday? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Any hobby organist getting that old could do the same, - no idea of international playing - rare at that iron curtain time even for men - and no idea of being the one chosen to lead a music academy into a new time after it was over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, could you emphasise those aspects more Gerda Arendt? I don't really get "chosen to lead a music academy into a new timer" from "after the Soviet period". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:27, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- She was the first and so far only woman on the post but I understand "first" hooks are not wanted. We should remain factual and brief. "after the Soviet period" implies that a time of oppression ended. She got the post at the time, not some man, - what else would you want? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, could you emphasise those aspects more Gerda Arendt? I don't really get "chosen to lead a music academy into a new timer" from "after the Soviet period". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:27, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- Any hobby organist getting that old could do the same, - no idea of international playing - rare at that iron curtain time even for men - and no idea of being the one chosen to lead a music academy into a new time after it was over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29 and Munfarid1: ALT1 ... that organist Alena Veselá (pictured) played a concert suite by Louis-Nicolas Clérambault on her 99th birthday? Unfortunately, I don't think Gerda's suggestion about the Soviet era aspects is feasible for a hook, at least one that meets the guidelines. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- It is unfortunate that you want to say something that could be said of many people, highlighting some little playing of a harmless piece by a French composer while she was into digging up Czech forgotten works. We have many things she and only she gave the world. I tried two in the original hook. There are few Czech women organists who played internationally (if any, I don't know), and there was no other woman rector of that music university (Soviet or not, but it adds for those who know history a bit), which would highlight Janáček instead of the French person.
- ALT2: ... that at age 101, Alena Veselá (pictured) was present at the cornerstone ceremony for a new concert hall in Brno, which she had promoted for decades?
- While that is even more unique, I still prefer the original because it has a focus on playing and education, vs. age and presence. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I like ALT2. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am okay with ALT2. @Munfarid1: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:20, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Yes, I am okay with ALT2. Munfarid1 (talk) 09:02, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am okay with ALT2. @Munfarid1: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:20, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 13
[edit]Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra
- ... that the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra, founded in 1925, gave in 2022 a solidarity concert with Ukraine after the Russian invasion, of music by Ukrainian and Georgian composers? Source: [5]
Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC).
- I would personally trim the hook to just this:
- ALT0a ... that in 2022, the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra performed a solidarity concert with Ukraine featuring music by Ukrainian and Georgian composers?
- I think there is some potential in the original hook fact, it's just worded awkwardly and I don't think the founding date is important to the main hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:11, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I think a centenary is worth mentioning. I also would like to point at how immediately after the invasion that was - perhaps you have an idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- The primary hook fact is that they performed a solidarity concert following the invasion of Ukraine. Them being founded in 1925 is irrelevant to that. Again, WP:DYKTRIM applies:
...don't be afraid to trim hooks of extraneous information and clauses... In general, the shorter and punchier the hook, the more impact it has.
If your desire is for the hook to run on the orchestra's centennial year, just it being approved and running is all that's needed. No need to mention the year since it's irrelevant to the hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)- ALT0b ... that following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra performed a solidarity concert featuring music by Ukrainian and Georgian composers?
- I think that our readers, who are expected not to know this orchestra even existed, get valuable extra information by telling them (in a short phrase) about the groups's long history, - a background giving the fact more depth. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT0c: ... that the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra, founded in 1925, gave a solidarity concert with Ukraine soon after the Russian invasion? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I'm happy with ALT0c on an interestingness level. Do you plan on giving this a full review?--Launchballer 11:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I was not planning on giving this a full review. However, I don't think we should go with ALT0c as written because I still feel that the year is trimmable. I am open to a variant of ALT0c that omits the year, as I really don't think that the foundation year is an essential part of the main hook fact. So basically something like: ALT0d: ... that the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra gave a solidarity concert with Ukraine soon after the Russian invasion? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
I think the centenary adds interest, but don't feel strongly enough either way. I'll let a reviewer adjudicate.--Launchballer 12:15, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- One issue is that it might be easy to miss the centenary point, so even if that was the reason for including the year, it might take a while for the reader to register if (if they register it at all). It's also probably less relevant to the hook fact because the concert was in 2022 and not in 2025, so the year really isn't really relevant at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Even if you "miss" the centenary point, you can see that there is a long history (to be explored when you click), vs. just some short-time action. We have different readers, and some may be interested in history and perspective. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- One issue is that it might be easy to miss the centenary point, so even if that was the reason for including the year, it might take a while for the reader to register if (if they register it at all). It's also probably less relevant to the hook fact because the concert was in 2022 and not in 2025, so the year really isn't really relevant at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I was not planning on giving this a full review. However, I don't think we should go with ALT0c as written because I still feel that the year is trimmable. I am open to a variant of ALT0c that omits the year, as I really don't think that the foundation year is an essential part of the main hook fact. So basically something like: ALT0d: ... that the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra gave a solidarity concert with Ukraine soon after the Russian invasion? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I'm happy with ALT0c on an interestingness level. Do you plan on giving this a full review?--Launchballer 11:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT0b ... that following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra performed a solidarity concert featuring music by Ukrainian and Georgian composers?
- The primary hook fact is that they performed a solidarity concert following the invasion of Ukraine. Them being founded in 1925 is irrelevant to that. Again, WP:DYKTRIM applies:
- I think a centenary is worth mentioning. I also would like to point at how immediately after the invasion that was - perhaps you have an idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough. QPQs are done and Earwig is clean. I'm fine with ALT0c from an interest standpoint (though it might flow better if 'the' was replaced with 'a' and the commas were removed), but it's cited to AllEvents.in, which sold tickets for the event, and I think this would deserve {{independent source inline}}.--Launchballer 01:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- I translated that. There is no doubt that it happened. - They also played in another one on 11 April. - I can't easily find things in Georgian, - help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Index, Washington
- ... that the small town of Index, Washington, has a Wicca church and Buddhist monastery? Source: Everett Herald, Dharma Realm Buddhist Association
- ALT1: ... that the "town walls" of Index, Washington, have 402 climbing routes? Source: Men's Journal
- Reviewed: Laki Tasi
SounderBruce 18:57, 13 May 2025 (UTC).
- @SounderBruce: The nomination will be closed within 24 hours if no QPQ is provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:28, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Is this 24-hour rule outlined anywhere? I have not seen it being enforced on other nominations this strictly. Frankly it is far too short of a deadline and seems to encourage shoddy and quick reviews rather than proper vetting. SounderBruce 05:49, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- It's an application of WP:QPQ (emphasis mine):
Your QPQ review should be made before or at the time of your nomination. A nomination which doesn't include a QPQ (and is not from an exempt nominator) may be closed as "incomplete" without warning.
You did not provide a QPQ at the time of the nomination, which makes it liable to be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:07, 15 May 2025 (UTC)- The rules need to be revised to reflect the common practice of not having a QPQ on hand at the time of nomination. With the difficulty in finding suitable nominations to review without committing to a potentially time-wasting set of interactions, I do not think it is wise to punish active contributors who would otherwise not make the 7-day nomination window and drop out of the process. SounderBruce 07:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- It is a practice that DYK is actively discouraging now, especially with there being large backlogs and a need to encourage not just helping out backlogs but also weeding out unsuitable nominations. It may have been acceptable in the past to have a delay in providing a QPQ, but DYK has moved away from it now. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:15, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- The rules need to be revised to reflect the common practice of not having a QPQ on hand at the time of nomination. With the difficulty in finding suitable nominations to review without committing to a potentially time-wasting set of interactions, I do not think it is wise to punish active contributors who would otherwise not make the 7-day nomination window and drop out of the process. SounderBruce 07:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- It's an application of WP:QPQ (emphasis mine):
Full review needed now that QPQ has been provided. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Reviewing... this is a long article, so I might not post a full review until tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 22:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
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Overall: Thank you nominating this GA for DYK. Overall, the nomination has only minor concerns. The article achieved GA status on May 13, and was nominated for DYK the same day. Length is adequate, I found no plagiarism concerns, and the article is neutral in tone. I found a few sourcing concerns. Something is neeeded which specifically supports "smallest incorporated municipality in the county". Ideally this citation goes in the "Demographics" section instead of the introduction. There is one quote in the "Early 20th century" section that needs a citation as per WP:DYKCRIT. Both proposed hooks are interesting, and mentioned in the article. ALT0 needs a citation directly after the sentence which mentions the town has a Wicca church. ALT1 is properly cited and verfied. All images in the article are freely licensed on the Commons and could be used for a hoook. The nominated image does not depict the church, monastery, or rock walls, so it would not be clear or enahance the hook. I suggest changing the nominated image. The QPQ requirement is complete. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: I am a little confused by your edit summary here, where you state,
Citation [95] does not explicitly suppor this. "Index is the smallest municipality in Snohomish County and Western Washington" does not equal "the smallest incorporated municipality in the county". The key word "incorporated" is missing.
The article does verify that Index is incorporated (see cite note 7 [6]), and as you state, the article also verifies that Index "is the smallest municipality in Snohomish County". Mz7 (talk) 23:30, 4 June 2025 (UTC) - I strongly disagree with the addition of {{citation needed}} tags based on the DYK criteria, which is described as recommendations based on subjective taste, as opposed to the more firm and better-developed GA criteria and Manual of Style. The nickname of a train, as described in the History section, is already cited in the next sentence, which is sufficient under the GACR and MOS. I will also dispute that the lead's use of "smallest incorporated municipality in the county" is uncited, as the Demographics section clearly has a newspaper source that lists all of the municipalities in Snohomish County by population with Index as the lowest entry. SounderBruce 01:34, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Will respond when I have for a detailed response. Pinging is not necessary. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- The sources for the statement "The population was 155 at the 2020 census, making it the smallest incorporated municipality in the county", are spread out into two separate sections, which make it difficult for the reader to verify. In the "Early 20th century" section, there is a cited statement for "Index was incorporated as a fourth-class city on October 11, 1907, with several hundred residents". In the "Government and politics" section, there is a cited statement for "Index is an incorporated town with a mayor–council form of government". In the "Demographics" section, there is a cited statement for " Index is the smallest municipality in Snohomish County and Western Washington". Since the citations are in three separate places, it makes the reader jump through hoops to verify a claim. MOS:CITELEAD asks for citations for "any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged". Since the claim is not quickly verifiable, it is likely to be challenged. It seems like something is being introduced in the lede by juxtaposing facts, althought they are not explicitly together anywhere in the body. I agree that keeping references out of the lede is ideal, and using {{efn}} within the body would be a better solution to quickly and easily verify the claim of "the smallest incorporated municipality in the county". I hope you understand where I am coming from on this, and I respect that you may disagree. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:50, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- It is common practice for leads to blend together information from multiple parts of an article that each have their own citations. I have removed the word "incorporated" from the "problematic" sentence in the lead for the time being, as it really isn't necessary (as explained above, there are no unincorporated municipalities in Washington, or most states). SounderBruce 18:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- The meaning of "Dinkies" in the "Early 20th century" is still unclear. I looked in this source, found only two mentions, and no defintion. No mention of "Dinkies" was found in this source. Searching Google for a defintion resulted in this and this; which suggest a small engine, but still not very helpful. Non-train experts should be able to read this artile about a place and be able to understand everything. I hope this clarifies why I asked for a citation for that quoted word. Flibirigit (talk) 01:22, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think we're grasping at straws here. I did amend the sentence, but I don't think we need to have an explanatory note for the nickname "Dinkies". SounderBruce 02:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- I have asked a genuine question about what a term means, and still no defintion has been given. That is very frustrating. Flibirigit (talk) 02:14, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- It's just a cute, affectionate nickname for those specific historical trains; I'm not sure it has a deeper meaning than that. The fact that the trains had that nickname is well-cited to [7]—it's not clear to me why the lack of a definition for that term disqualifies this hook (which isn't even about that term) for DYK. I am pretty concerned by the level of nit-picking here; I don't think I have ever seen a DYK review go to this length before. SounderBruce has invested a lot of invaluable time doing incredible research on this article, and if I were him, I would feel pretty discouraged here. Mz7 (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I have asked a genuine question about what a term means, and still no defintion has been given. That is very frustrating. Flibirigit (talk) 02:14, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think we're grasping at straws here. I did amend the sentence, but I don't think we need to have an explanatory note for the nickname "Dinkies". SounderBruce 02:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- The meaning of "Dinkies" in the "Early 20th century" is still unclear. I looked in this source, found only two mentions, and no defintion. No mention of "Dinkies" was found in this source. Searching Google for a defintion resulted in this and this; which suggest a small engine, but still not very helpful. Non-train experts should be able to read this artile about a place and be able to understand everything. I hope this clarifies why I asked for a citation for that quoted word. Flibirigit (talk) 01:22, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- It is common practice for leads to blend together information from multiple parts of an article that each have their own citations. I have removed the word "incorporated" from the "problematic" sentence in the lead for the time being, as it really isn't necessary (as explained above, there are no unincorporated municipalities in Washington, or most states). SounderBruce 18:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 16
[edit]Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova
- ... that the Bishop of Chiclayo, Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova, said his predecessor, the future Pope Leo XIV, formed his identity while riding horseback through mountainous communities in northern Peru?
- Source: "In his opening greeting, the first American pope broke from his Italian remarks to speak — not in English, but in Spanish — to his “beloved diocese of Chiclayo in Peru.”
Thriley (talk) 22:11, 16 May 2025 (UTC).
Thank you for the article about who succeeded the Pope in his former position, on fine sources, Spanish sources accepted AGF. I like the hook idea! I believe, though, that we can't say the Pope was formative, because at that time he wasn't yet Pope, and the articles doesn't say (but should) that these rides were formative for him. I wouldn't mind a bit more prose, because in my (rather small) display the infobox is longer than the article ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review. I changed the wording to describe him as the "future" Pope Leo XIV. Does that work? Thriley (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- That is better, but - comparing to the source more than before - I see that I misunderstood, because I thought that "his" meant the new bishop. How about first the name, then the position, to connect to the former one on the post more easily? ... and perhaps use the wording from the source that seems clearer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review. I changed the wording to describe him as the "future" Pope Leo XIV. Does that work? Thriley (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
ALT0a ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova, the Bishop of Chiclayo, said his predecessor, the future Pope Leo XIV, formed his identity while riding horseback through mountainous communities in northern Peru? Thriley (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- that is better but still unclear about who is meant by "his". Trying:
ALT0b ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova, the Bishop of Chiclayo, said that the years that his predecessor, the future Pope Leo XIV, spent there, riding on horseback through mountainous communities in northern Peru, were a formative time?
- I'd also be open to something about the Bishop, instead of the Pope ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Thriley, Davide King, and Gerda Arendt: What is the status of this?--Launchballer 11:31, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I can't approve the ALT0 and ALT0a because of the ambiguity, and ALT0b also because I worded it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I can't approve ALT0b either because it fails WP:DYKMAJOR. This needs a new hook.--Launchballer 11:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Can you perhaps reword, and I can approve? I notice that people are interested in the new Pope, and imagining him on horseback in a remote environment, as formative, seems accessible and interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's actually my point. The ALT0s make me want to read about the pope rather than the bishop. That Edinson said it is immaterial. I just read the article and I don't see anything that might meet WP:DYKINT, and I also notice that Catholic-hierarchy.org is coming up red on WP:UPSD and will hear what makes it reliable.--Launchballer 12:13, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- For matters of Catholic hierarchy - who ordained whom when and where and who assisted - I found nothing of equal depth of information, and none of that kind of information seems controversial. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's actually my point. The ALT0s make me want to read about the pope rather than the bishop. That Edinson said it is immaterial. I just read the article and I don't see anything that might meet WP:DYKINT, and I also notice that Catholic-hierarchy.org is coming up red on WP:UPSD and will hear what makes it reliable.--Launchballer 12:13, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Can you perhaps reword, and I can approve? I notice that people are interested in the new Pope, and imagining him on horseback in a remote environment, as formative, seems accessible and interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I can't approve ALT0b either because it fails WP:DYKMAJOR. This needs a new hook.--Launchballer 11:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I can't approve the ALT0 and ALT0a because of the ambiguity, and ALT0b also because I worded it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Thriley, Davide King, and Gerda Arendt: What is the status of this?--Launchballer 11:31, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
What about: ALT1 .... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova replaced the pope? Thriley (talk) 14:13, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Too April Fool's for my taste, but it may be perfect for someone else to approve such a thing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'll have to do some digging. So far, I am not seeing anything very exciting about him outside of his various roles in the church. Thriley (talk) 14:50, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thriley, you can just say that he succeeded Pope Leo ... in the position of Bishop ..., but "replace the pope" seems to mean (at least to mean) replace as pope. Also, ALT1 is completely open as to which pope, - could be some 14th-century unknown person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'll have to do some digging. So far, I am not seeing anything very exciting about him outside of his various roles in the church. Thriley (talk) 14:50, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
So: ALT2: ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova succeeded the future Pope Leo XIV as bishop of Chiclayo? Thriley (talk) 18:34, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I like ALT2, though would trim to ALT2a: ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova once succeeded the future Pope Leo XIV as bishop? (the where isn't that important). Gerda is free to approve ALT2.--Launchballer 19:06, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'd pipe differently:
- ALT2b: ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova succeeded the future Pope Leo XIV as Bishop of Chiclayo?
I prefer ALT2 and ALT2b, because the location is unusual and interesting. We could perhaps trim the "future". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- "The future", surely? "succeeded the Pope Leo" is ungrammatical.--Launchballer 19:32, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Well, for me no further trimming is needed (but we know that he is Pope Leo now, and the position in question is Bishop of Chiclayo, and we could turn it around and say the FC's predecessor as BoCh is now pope. I just remember that "future Easter Oratorio" wasn't wanted, and held up a nom from Easter until the Saturday before Pentecost, in the end). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2c: ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova's successor as bishop of Chiclayo is now pope?--Launchballer 20:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Read that again, please ;) - also: Bishop of Chiclayo is a title and therefore capital. I'm ready to approve when both are corrected. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've been at this too long today.
- ALT2d: ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova's predecessor as Bishop of Chiclayo is now pope?--Launchballer 21:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
ALT2d preferred, thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Read that again, please ;) - also: Bishop of Chiclayo is a title and therefore capital. I'm ready to approve when both are corrected. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2c: ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova's successor as bishop of Chiclayo is now pope?--Launchballer 20:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Well, for me no further trimming is needed (but we know that he is Pope Leo now, and the position in question is Bishop of Chiclayo, and we could turn it around and say the FC's predecessor as BoCh is now pope. I just remember that "future Easter Oratorio" wasn't wanted, and held up a nom from Easter until the Saturday before Pentecost, in the end). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
The hook has been pulled per concerns raised at WT:DYK#Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova. A new hook will be needed here, as well as clarity regarding the notability concerns (which I imagine should not be an issue since I think Catholic bishops are considered inherently notable). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova thinks the Pope smells like sheep? Maybe a bit of a rug pull/April Fools-y... Bremps... 03:15, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Like this! Perhaps: ... that the Bishop of Chiclayo Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova described his predecessor Pope Leo XIV as smelling like sheep? Thriley (talk) 03:52, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- ... that Edinson Edgardo Farfán Córdova thinks the Pope smells like sheep? Maybe a bit of a rug pull/April Fools-y... Bremps... 03:15, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Snowpack types
- ... that less snow (pictured) is associated with more avalanche fatalities?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pavel Kushnir
- Comment: Additional QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/1917 Franco-Russian agreement
(t · c) buidhe 02:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC).
- @Buidhe: Not a review, but the article only has three sources, all physical books, and they're all from the same publisher. Do you have any other sources to prove notability for this subject? As is, it looks like a prime target to be merged into Snowpack. Departure– (talk) 02:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Departure– There are actually four sources cited, and I would disagree with any merger, because this would be UNDUE in the snowpack article because the types are mostly distinguished for the purpose of avalanche forecasting in North America. (t · c) buidhe 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: They're all published by Mountaineers Books, which is my point. Snowpack types, while well cited, is longer than Snowpack, and could very easily be merged there unless either one has enough specifically on them to prevent such (speaking from someone from Wikiproject Weather, where a lot of articles get merged like this). Just a heads-up that you may have an uphill battle before this ends up on the main page; I have nothing against this being promoted if there truly is a reason to keep the pages separate. Departure– (talk) 02:23, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- The fact that it's more detailed than the general article is actually a strong indication that the material would be UNDUE if merged. You didn't bother to look for other sources which certainly exist, but simply assumed it's not notable. If you don't have anything against the promotion of the article why are you posting here? (t · c) buidhe 02:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
An actual review needed.--Launchballer 12:17, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
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Overall: A newly created article that is long enough. It is neutral and the hook is interesting (although quite obvious on why it occurs). QPQs done. However, I'll voice what Departure said above: The article needs a WP:Notability tag, which would prevent it from the main page. As stated by WP:SIGCOV § Sources, "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability." You mentioned above that "other sources [...] certainly exist". If such sources exist, it is the job of the nominator (or anyone else) to add them before nominating an article for any process. Although (The) Mountaineers Books is a specialized source, it is still the only publisher used and it doesn't determine the topic's notability. Please, expand the article or add more sources that establish the topic is indeed notable. (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:59, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- User:Tbhotch I added 11 sources to further reading which hopefully will allay any concerns about notability. (t · c) buidhe 00:06, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
Approved. No other issues found. (CC) Tbhotch™ 00:32, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
@Buidhe and Tbhotch: couple of issues. Firstly, I can't see the hook fact in the article, which seems to say that weak layers of snow cause avalanches, not "less snow", unless I misunderstand what "Faceted snow and depth hoar" mean (it would be good to have an explanation in any case). Secondly, as it stands the hook falls foul of MOS:EGG; I would not expect to end up at Snowpack types from a link of "less snow". I think some workshopping is needed, thanks. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:49, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- User:AirshipJungleman29 The article says that a thinner snowpack is associated with (in fact, one of the causal factors behind) weak layers that are a necessary ingredient for dangerous avalanche potential. The actual cause of avalanche deaths is not weak layers but the combination of potential, a trigger, and people being in the way-hence the wording in the hook. Would "thinner snowpack" alleviate your concerns about mos:egg? (t · c) buidhe 17:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 17
[edit]Cady Noland
- ... that the artist Cady Noland was sued by two different collectors of her work after she "disavowed" artworks that she no longer considered genuine because they were damaged or altered?
- Source: Julia Halperin (Oct 4, 2024), “Just How Much Control Can an Artist Have Over Their Work?”, T Mag (New York Times Style Magazine): “The Swiss art dealer Marc Jancou sued Noland and Sotheby’s after the artist disavowed a work that he wanted to sell at auction. […] Noland visited Sotheby’s to view it, along with two other works destined for the block that season, and found its corners so damaged that she considered the work totaled. Sotheby’s called off the sale. [...] But it was hardly the last time that Noland would defend her art’s honor. There was a series of lawsuits over ‘Log Cabin Facade’ (1990), a life-size wooden sculpture that the artist disavowed after its previous owner allowed it to be installed outdoors for over 10 years and then replaced the rotted wood with new logs. ‘This is not an artwork,’ she said in a handwritten fax addressed to its new owner, the Ohio-based collector Scott Mueller”
- ALT 1 (added after discussion below): ... that the artist Cady Noland has "disavowed" several artworks that she no longer considered genuine because they were damaged or altered?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: First ever DYK nom, please advise if I mis-formatted anything. Thanks!
19h00s (talk) 20:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC).
- @19h00s: Hello and welcome to DYK. I don't plan on reviewing this any time soon as I have a policy of reviewing oldest first, but I can tell you the hook won't fly as it is unduly negative. Also, and these are not DYK issues, the image fails WP:IMAGERELEVANCE as you can't see her properly and the sections badly want breaking up.--Launchballer 20:22, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, makes sense on the negativity front. I'd disagree on the image front, as detailed in the article and discussions on the talk page (long story short: she doesn't allow images of herself to be created or circulate, this image where she hides her identity has been widely discussed and is discussed in the article). Don't necessarily disagree on the breaking up of the sections, but a biography article necessarily requires a more cogent narrative structure that is extremely difficult to achieve when you spread everything out into sections that break up the chronological flow. Happy to retract this nomination or you can just fail it. 19h00s (talk) 20:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- A nomination doesn't fail just because one hook doesn't work. You could probably get away with ALT0a: ... that Cady Noland "disavowed" some of her artworks?, though I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on that.--Launchballer 20:47, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Learn something new about Wiki processes every day lol, just assumed this was DOA if the hook was out of bounds as written. Just added an alt version. Thanks for the tips. 19h00s (talk) 22:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- A nomination doesn't fail just because one hook doesn't work. You could probably get away with ALT0a: ... that Cady Noland "disavowed" some of her artworks?, though I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on that.--Launchballer 20:47, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, makes sense on the negativity front. I'd disagree on the image front, as detailed in the article and discussions on the talk page (long story short: she doesn't allow images of herself to be created or circulate, this image where she hides her identity has been widely discussed and is discussed in the article). Don't necessarily disagree on the breaking up of the sections, but a biography article necessarily requires a more cogent narrative structure that is extremely difficult to achieve when you spread everything out into sections that break up the chronological flow. Happy to retract this nomination or you can just fail it. 19h00s (talk) 20:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Full review needed now that ALT hook has been provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 20
[edit]William Salter II, James White (North Carolina politician, died c. 1789)
- ... that William Salter II and James White were directors of the town of Elizabethtown, North Carolina, before the American Revolutionary War?
- Source: "Bladen County Deeds, 1734–1778" (PDF). Orange County California Genealogical Society.
- ALT1: ... that William Salter II and James White represented Bladen County in the Second North Carolina Provincial Congress and the North Carolina House of Burgesses in 1775? Source: "27th House of Burgesses - 1775". Carolana."Members of the 2nd Provincial Congress". Carolana.
- ALT2: ... that James White, the sheriff of Bladen County, North Carolina, deeded land to William Salter II before they represented the county together in the North Carolina General Assembly in 1775? Source: "Bladen County Deeds, 1734–1778" (PDF). Orange County California Genealogical Society."27th House of Burgesses - 1775". Carolana."Members of the 2nd Provincial Congress". Carolana.
- ALT3: ... that Sarah "Sallie" Salter, the wife of William Salter II, spied for the Patriots before the Battle of Elizabethtown? Source: Fox, Sara (March 13, 2023). "Sallie Salters and the Battle of Elizabethtown". The Bladen Journal.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nucleariid/Template:Did you know nominations/Francis W. Joaque
Aneirinn (talk) 23:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC).
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Overall: I definitely prefer ALT3, as it makes readers want to find out, how she spied. The first two don't seem very interesting to me, as they mention rather mundane facts. Munfarid1 (talk) 14:42, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
@Munfarid1 and Aneirinn: ALT3 is not viable, as it does not focus on either of the people mentioned in the nomination; if the other hooks are uninteresting, new hook suggestions are needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:52, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 21
[edit]Yao Yuanjun
- ... that after Chinese Border Defense Police officer Yao Yuanjun was killed in action, his police dog continued to wait for him to return?
https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_13645312
https://www.sohu.com/a/476909010_267106 (Xinhua source)- Reviewed:
- Comment: Several comments:
1. Since the subject was in the Border Defense corps, which is part of the Ministry of Public Security Active Service Forces, I'm kinda unsure what to refer to him as, since MPSASF personnel were active service members. 2. I currently also have an approved nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Xiaolong (Chinese coast guardsman), may I ask if this would interfere with anything 3. The 2 photos are non free fair use, so it cannot be put on the main page.
Thehistorianisaac (talk) 15:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC).
- Hi Thehistorianisaac, welcome to DYK. I have formatted the original hook and removed the repeated hooks. Regarding your questions:
1. "border police officer" may be sufficient for the hook in line with the lead of the article. 2. No, you have multiple DYK nominations running in parallel. 3. Non-free images cannot be used in DYK.
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- The reference is in Chinese. From Google translate, it seems that news agencies are saying as per the viral video, the dog is waiting for his master even after 10 years; rather than an independently verified fact that the dog is waiting. The article and the hook needs to be reworded. If my understanding is incorrect, please clarify.
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Overall: The article is currently at AfD. We will have to wait for the same to conclude, before approving the hook. Most of the references are Chinese news sites, private or state-owned (from Neutrality perspective). Redtigerxyz Talk 12:22, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- There isn't really a huge problem with sources, state owned media is usually considered reliable outside of controversial usages, and different language sources are also allowed; As for the hook, from my understanding, it's similar to the Hachiko story. Additionally, the AfD likely won't go very far anyways.Thehistorianisaac Talk 23:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Thehistorianisaac and Redtigerxyz: Article's been kept, what else needs doing?--Launchballer 14:50, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- Afd has concluded as Keep. A RM is underway, however does not impact this DYK IMO.
- Assuming The Paper as reliable. "From Google translate, it seems that news agencies are saying as per the viral video, the dog is waiting for his master even after 10 years; rather than an independently verified fact that the dog is waiting. The article and the hook needs to be reworded. If my understanding is incorrect, please clarify." is unaddressed. The references are just saying that there is a viral video which claims that the dog is waiting for its master.
- I am okay to pass "ALT1 ... as per a viral video, the police dog of Yao Yuanjun was waiting for its master, 10 years after he was killed in action?" or similar. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:37, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Thehistorianisaac: Please address the above.--Launchballer 16:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Redtigerxyz: sorry for the late response. The Paper is generally considered reliable by other people from wikiproject China; Nothing against you personally, but I would prefer this DYK Nomination be reviewed by someone who understands chinese, as I have seen cases where google translate messes up. The sources are explaining the story based on the video. I think essentially speaking, the alternate hook you propose is mostly the same, but makes it a bit overly complicated. Thehistorianisaac
As requested by Nominator, requesting a Chinese speaker for a second pair of eyes.Redtigerxyz Talk 17:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 22
[edit]Prince Mortimer
- ... that Prince Mortimer lived until 110 years old, and died in prison?
- Reviewed:
TriMuseumGeek (talk) 20:01, 22 May 2025 (UTC).
Hi TriMuseumGeek, thanks for you nomination. The article was moved to main space on 22 May so is new enough and is long enough. Unfortunately the sourcing is not up to DYK standards which require a source cited inline at the end of every paragraph as a minimum. I've added the article to the hook above. We need a citation in the article for him dying at 110 in prison (we would also have to say "approximately" to match the article). There are also some grammar issues with the article and it switches between past and present tense. Let me know if you can improve this to meet the criteria and I will take another look - Dumelow (talk) 07:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- @TriMuseumGeek: Please address the above; I will fail this if this is not addressed in a week.--Launchballer 12:23, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
Thanks Dumelow and Launchballer. I'm still getting the hang of this, and appreciate your comments. I tried to make the corrections and additions that you asked. If it is still not meeting the guidelines, I understand. Also, if I mess up this post, I apologize. Wikicode is not my strong suit. -- TriMuseumGeek (talk) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay
- ... that the Dutch team (pictured) won the women's 4 × 400 metres relay at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships in a new championship record of 3:25.66 min?
- Source: "1 NED - NETHERLANDS 6 0.196 3:25.66 CR" (link)
- ALT1: ... that the team of the Netherlands (pictured) won the women's 4 × 400 metres relay at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships seconds ahead of the other teams? Source: "1 NED - NETHERLANDS 6 0.196 3:25.66 CR" / "2 ITA - ITALY 3 0.169 3:28.61 NR" (link)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jerzy Broszkiewicz
- Comment: A cropped version of the photo might work even better here.
Editør (talk) 14:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC).
- I don't see how either hook meets WP:DYKINT. Do you have any other proposals? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've incorporated one of the quotes in ALT2. Does that work for you? Let me know if you are looking for something else/specific. – Editør (talk) 11:57, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Femke Bol pulled away "with a superior acceleration" during the final of the women's 4 × 400 metres relay at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships (winning team pictured)? Source: Original Dutch: "Het Nederlandse kwartet liep de hele race aan de leiding. Startloper Klaver profiteerde optimaal van de gunstige buitenbaan 6 en kwam als eerste door. Saalberg en Peeters hielden de eerste positie knap vast, waarna Bol het met een superieure versnelling afmaakte." [English translation: "First runner Klaver took full advantage of the favorable outside lane 6 and came through first. Saalberg and Peeters held on to the first position, after which Bol finished it off with a superior acceleration."] (link)
- @Narutolovehinata5: ping – Editør (talk) 23:06, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Femke Bol pulled away "with a superior acceleration" during the final of the women's 4 × 400 metres relay at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships (winning team pictured)? Source: Original Dutch: "Het Nederlandse kwartet liep de hele race aan de leiding. Startloper Klaver profiteerde optimaal van de gunstige buitenbaan 6 en kwam als eerste door. Saalberg en Peeters hielden de eerste positie knap vast, waarna Bol het met een superieure versnelling afmaakte." [English translation: "First runner Klaver took full advantage of the favorable outside lane 6 and came through first. Saalberg and Peeters held on to the first position, after which Bol finished it off with a superior acceleration."] (link)
- I've incorporated one of the quotes in ALT2. Does that work for you? Let me know if you are looking for something else/specific. – Editør (talk) 11:57, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Is there a way to shorten the bold link? It seems to be a distraction. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:09, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I don't think so. I believe this is how titles of the form 'Championships – Event" are typically displayed when there is only one title in the hook, see for instance the DYK hook for Talk:2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 400 metres. – Editør (talk) 09:23, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- I mean if there's an alternate way to word the link. Right now it feels like a distraction to the reader. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:41, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I tried that once before, but then the longer bold link was used for the hook, so I've used the longer bold link in my DYK rnominations since then. - Editør (talk) 11:48, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- To be honest, I'm not sure if that was the right decision, because personally I'd consider the longer bold link to fall under WP:DYKTRIM. Maybe other reviewers just didn't notice the issue but here it's rather obvious. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:22, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: In my experience, the most important part about the DYK nomination is that it is factually correct and the sentence works as a hook. Surely, I want to try and phrase it as well as possible, but when it can be completely rewritten in a later stage by a single author, I don't see the point in endless tweaking when all that work can be thrown out without notice. If you see a better way of working the long article title 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay into the hook, let me know. Besides that, is there anything else holding up this nomination? – Editør (talk) 00:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe something similar to how it was originally proposed in the nomination you linked? Just link to "women's 4 × 400 metres relay" and keep 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships as a separate mention, perhaps also avoiding linking it as being redundant to the main bolded link. It's like how the linked nomination just said "women's 400 metres hurdle at the 2024 European Athletics Championships." As for your other question, I was not planning to review this nomination, the hook just stood out when I was looking at DYKN (and not in a good way). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, I misunderstood. Well, thank you for noting your concern and for your suggestion. – Editør (talk) 00:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe something similar to how it was originally proposed in the nomination you linked? Just link to "women's 4 × 400 metres relay" and keep 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships as a separate mention, perhaps also avoiding linking it as being redundant to the main bolded link. It's like how the linked nomination just said "women's 400 metres hurdle at the 2024 European Athletics Championships." As for your other question, I was not planning to review this nomination, the hook just stood out when I was looking at DYKN (and not in a good way). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: In my experience, the most important part about the DYK nomination is that it is factually correct and the sentence works as a hook. Surely, I want to try and phrase it as well as possible, but when it can be completely rewritten in a later stage by a single author, I don't see the point in endless tweaking when all that work can be thrown out without notice. If you see a better way of working the long article title 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay into the hook, let me know. Besides that, is there anything else holding up this nomination? – Editør (talk) 00:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- To be honest, I'm not sure if that was the right decision, because personally I'd consider the longer bold link to fall under WP:DYKTRIM. Maybe other reviewers just didn't notice the issue but here it's rather obvious. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:22, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I tried that once before, but then the longer bold link was used for the hook, so I've used the longer bold link in my DYK rnominations since then. - Editør (talk) 11:48, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- I mean if there's an alternate way to word the link. Right now it feels like a distraction to the reader. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:41, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I don't think so. I believe this is how titles of the form 'Championships – Event" are typically displayed when there is only one title in the hook, see for instance the DYK hook for Talk:2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 400 metres. – Editør (talk) 09:23, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Is there a way to shorten the bold link? It seems to be a distraction. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:09, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
A full review is still needed. – Editør (talk) 22:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 24
[edit]Washington D.C. Temple
- ... that the 'Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) was moved 60 feet to exactly align with the Capital Beltway, designed to inspire curiosity about what goes on inside?
- Source: “After the route of the Capital Beltway was finalized and before the groundbreaking, the location of the temple was adjusted sixty feet to line up perfectly with the Capital Beltway. This small adjustment has had repercussions for missionary work as many people, due to its visibility and beauty, stop by the temple seeking information about its purpose.” …“We hope the design does attract a great deal of attention so people will investigate the Church”
- https://rsc.byu.edu/latter-day-saints-washington-dc/washington-dc-temple-mr-smiths-church-goes-washington#_note-11
- ALT1: ... that the Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) is the tallest and third-largest temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by square footage?
- Source: "The Washington D.C. Temple is the tallest Latter-day Saint temple at 288 feet. It is the church's third-largest temple at nearly 160,000 square feet." https://www.ksl.com/article/50451955/president-nelson-to-rededicate-washington-dc-temple-on-aug-14
- ALT2: ... that the 'Washington D.C. Temple property (pictured) almost became a shopping center, but Zionist Jewish owners sold it cheaper to support temple construction?
- Source: “But in the case of the Washington D.C. Temple, the deal to purchase 57 acres of pristine woods overlooking the capital city in 1962 elicited a joyful surprise.”
- … “planned to construct a shopping mall and condominium complex.”
- “The (Jewish) men varied in their degree of “observance,” but they all identified deeply with their Jewish heritage, and were generous supporters of Jewish and Zionist causes.”
- "Kanfer said, 'We’ve decided we’re going to sell it to you for $14,000 an acre. Consider that $57,000 discount our donation for building the temple.'"
- https://www.deseret.com/faith/2022/3/20/22981180/the-washington-d-c-temple-sites-history-is-as-american-as-the-capital-city-itself-lds-temple/
- ALT3: ... that Maryland governor Larry Hogan said the Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) is an "iconic landmark", and a "beacon of hope"?
- Source: Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, who attended Monday’s tour, called the temple an “iconic landmark” and a “beacon of hope.”
- https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/04/18/washington-dc-temple/
- ALT4: ... that the Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) was designed like the Salt Lake Temple to be recognized as a temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
- Source: Source: “(Emily Utt) explained that the temple’s modern six-spire design was built in the image of the Salt Lake City temple, so that it’d be recognizable as an LDS building.”
- https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/04/18/for-the-first-time-in-50-years-you-can-tour-kensingtons-latter-day-saints-temple-2/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I've put the hooks in order of ones I think would work best for the page, along with links and citations to verify information. I'm willing to refine and tune the hooks given, and whichever hook that ends up working in the order I made should be the one that is displayed (unless there is consensus that one is more interesting than the other if multiple would work).
Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 02:07, 31 May 2025 (UTC).
Reviewing... since it is a lengthy article, I might not post the finished review until tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 18:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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Overall: GA status achieved on May 24, and nominated for DYK on May 31. Length is adequate. Sourcing is mostly good, but I added one citation needed tag to a paragraph without a clear source. The tone overall is neutral, but some sections need work. In the first paragraph of the location section, there are consecutive sentences using "Capital Beltway" and "iconic landmark". For easier tone, these should be combined with a footnote to explain the sourcing. I suggesting using {{efn}}. The "location" section seems more about the cultural impact of "Surrender Dorothy" rather than the physical location. As such, as it seems misnamed, and out of place. In the "Design and architecture" section, this sentence makes no sense to me: "The central eastern tower is 288 feet (88 m) tall, the tallest of the church's temples at the time of its dedication". How can a tower be the tallest temple? Please clarify. In the same section, the terms "Melchizedek priesthood" and "Aaronic priesthood" should be linked to something, as a non-Mormon is unlikely to know their meaning. Hooks analysis: I cannot locate ALT0 anywhere in the article, ideally it should be in the "Construction: section. ALT1 is possibly cited in the second paragraph of the "Design and architecture" section, but the language is too dissimilar to verify. The cited passage should be very clear it is talk about the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and not just any church. ALT2 appears to be cited from multiple sentence in "The site" section, all of which will need a citation as per WP:DYKHFC. ALT3 is mentioned in the article, properly cited, and verified by the sources. ALT4 cannot be located in the article, specifically the proper noun "Salt Lake City Temple". Only 1 of 5 hooks adheres to DYK criteria at this time. All of the images used in the article have a public domain license on the Commons. The hook's image is used in the article, clear at a low resolution, and enahances the hook. QPQ is not required. Checks for plagiarism are still ongoing, and will take a while due to many quotes in the article. I have also done a lot of copyediting to the article for things that were not caught during the GA review. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 21:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Clarifying my above comment: I am looking into whether WP:OVERQUOTING is a problem here. Flibirigit (talk) 21:50, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: thank you for the feedback. I addressed the issues you mentioned, and I’m grateful for the feedback you gave for the rest of the article, and for the DYK components. I don’t often use the efn tag, I’ve attempted an edit on the page, but I’m not sure if it’s displaying correctly. I also added clarity to the part you mentioned about the temple being an iconic landmark, renamed the header to be more relevant to the section, and added all the information from the DYK nomination to the body of the article in the relevant places that you mentioned. What do you think of the hooks now?
- I also added the hyperlinks that anyone who is not a member of the Church would not be familiar with (As an aside, the term “Mormon” has been asked by the Church to not be used to refer to members, and has asked instead that members be called ‘Latter-day Saint(s)’, partly to avoid misunderstanding about beliefs of the Church (IE, belief in Jesus Christ)).
- As far as overquoting goes, the manual of style says that overuse happens when the quotations dominate the article or section. I addressed a different section under ‘Design and architecture’ that had a large quote that was not needed. The section that overquoting may apply to the most is the “Location and surrender Dorothy” section, but the quotes are used in such a way that it's easier to simply use the quote. Similarly, paraphrasing the idea would take just as many, if not more words, and the quotes are pertinent to the section, as the manual of style suggests, so that should be resolved. Thanks again for doing the extra copyediting, you didn’t have to do that. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
I am still working through the quotes and copyvio checks. I hope to post a final review by this weekend. Flibirigit (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the quick reply! No rush on the review. And thank you again for helping me fix the efn issues, especially so quickly. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- I apologize that real life has been crazy lately. Reviews usually don't take this long. Will chip away this week. Flibirigit (talk) 03:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the quick reply! No rush on the review. And thank you again for helping me fix the efn issues, especially so quickly. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- As far as overquoting goes, the manual of style says that overuse happens when the quotations dominate the article or section. I addressed a different section under ‘Design and architecture’ that had a large quote that was not needed. The section that overquoting may apply to the most is the “Location and surrender Dorothy” section, but the quotes are used in such a way that it's easier to simply use the quote. Similarly, paraphrasing the idea would take just as many, if not more words, and the quotes are pertinent to the section, as the manual of style suggests, so that should be resolved. Thanks again for doing the extra copyediting, you didn’t have to do that. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 25
[edit]2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay, 2024 World Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay
- ... that the Dutch team (pictured) anchored by Femke Bol won the women's 4 × 400 metres relay at the European Athletics Championships as well as at the World Athletics Indoor Championships in 2024?
- Source: #1 "1 NED - NETHERLANDS 9 0.139 3:22.39 EL / 1913 KLAVER Lieke 50.57 (1) / 1915 PEETERS Cathelijn 50.96 (5) 1:41.53 (2) / 1908 DE WITTE Lisanne 50.41 (1) 2:31.94 (1) / 1906 BOL Femke 50.45 (6)" (link)
- Source: #2 "1 NETHERLANDS NED 5 0.180 3:25.07 WL / 712 Lieke KLAVER 50.26 (1) / 713 Cathelijn PEETERS 51.99 (5) 1:42.25 (1) / 710 Lisanne DE WITTE 52.28 (3) 2:34.53 (1) / 709 Femke BOL 50.54 (3)" (link)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Yungui, Template:Did you know nominations/American Samoa at the 2022 Winter Olympics, Template:Did you know nominations/Leon Hatziioannou, Template:Did you know nominations/...Ready for It?
- Comment: I chose to order the boldlinked articles from smaller to bigger region (European, world) instead of earlier to later event (world, European), because this made more sense to me reading the hook, but this can obviously be switched if preferred.
Editør (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC).
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Overall: These all look good to me. Great work.
- Thank you for your review. – Editør (talk) 15:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Pulled per WT:DYK discussion to work on a better hook. RoySmith (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 26
[edit]Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt
- ... that the Bill Maynard vehicle Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt was screenwriter Alan Plater's only sitcom?
- Source: Plater was best known for writing television dramas including Shoulder to Shoulder (1974) and The Stars Look Down (1975); Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt was his only foray into sitcom writing. Plater's involvement has been characterised as indicative of a maverick and prolific approach to television writing.
- ALT1: ... that Bill Maynard took inspiration from A Midsummer Night's Dream for his 1970s sitcom Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt? Source: Additionally, Maynard took inspiration from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream, with Froggitt as Bottom and the committee at the working men's club as the mechanicals.[11][12]
- ALT2: ... that a reviewer complained that Selwyn had two funny lines per programme? Clem Lewis of Birmingham Evening Mail felt Maynard "now hogs all the funny lines... all two of them per programme".[44]
- ALT3: ... that Bill Maynard received letters thanking him for making Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt "the cleanest show on television"? Source: The series employed little bawdy humour; Maynard said he received letters thanking him for "the cleanest show on television".[15]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: The image should only apply to my first hook and not the alt one. Thank you.
Humbledaisy (talk) 23:47, 27 May 2025 (UTC).
A new hook may be needed here as neither hook appears to meet WP:DYKINT. That is, neither hook seems to be appealing or eyecatching to a non-specialist audience, which in this context means people unfamiliar with Maynard or Plater. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:49, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- ... that Bill Maynard was inspired to make Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt by a man too muscular to fold his arms properly?
- ... that a reviewer complained that Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt had two funny lines per programme? Bremps... 02:56, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- I like that first one. I don't think the second one would work so well because the reviewer was reviewing to Selwyn, the retitled fourth season of the show, so it wouldn't be so snappy to mention that. Is it okay for me to add the first one? Humbledaisy (talk) 16:27, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- Go for it, but the reviewer and promoter has the final say. Bremps... 17:13, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- I like that first one. I don't think the second one would work so well because the reviewer was reviewing to Selwyn, the retitled fourth season of the show, so it wouldn't be so snappy to mention that. Is it okay for me to add the first one? Humbledaisy (talk) 16:27, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Humbledaisy: Maybe it could be modified then? ... that a reviewer complained that Selwyn had two funny lines per programme? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry all, I'm not hugely familiar with how this works. That sounds fine but I also think the name Selwyn is less familiar to a UK audience than Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt and less interesting as a title. Apologies if I'm overstepping the mark here though. Humbledaisy (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- No no, it's your nomination. Suggest whatever. Whether it will be accepted by the reviewer and promoter is another matter. Bremps... 00:30, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've added that suggestion as an alt and also added an additional alt about it being "the cleanest show in television" which I think might work well.Humbledaisy (talk) 20:59, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- No no, it's your nomination. Suggest whatever. Whether it will be accepted by the reviewer and promoter is another matter. Bremps... 00:30, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry all, I'm not hugely familiar with how this works. That sounds fine but I also think the name Selwyn is less familiar to a UK audience than Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt and less interesting as a title. Apologies if I'm overstepping the mark here though. Humbledaisy (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Humbledaisy: Maybe it could be modified then? ... that a reviewer complained that Selwyn had two funny lines per programme? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 27
[edit]Thinking Machines Lab
- ... that artificial intelligence startup Thinking Machines Lab aims "to make AI systems more widely understood, customizable, and generally capable"?
- Source: "Thinking Machines Lab aims to “make A.I. systems more widely understood, customizable and generally capable,” according to a blog post from the new company. It said it would freely share its technologies with outside researchers and companies, a practice known as “open source.”"
Thriley (talk) 17:31, 4 June 2025 (UTC).
This nomination just gets in the deadline for 5x expansion in the last 10 days. Some sources could be considered as less reliable, but the claims are largely uncontroversial or are the company describing itself. This does give me pause though; there are four unattributed quotes in the article, e.g., they should be either rewritten in wiki-voice or attributed to the author stating these things. The language used is decidedly non-neutral in places ("ensuring strong founding influence on the strategic direction of the lab", "hired a team of about 30 leading researchers and engineers"). I also don't find the hook used here as interesting; it's basically a mission statement. Anyone can aim to do anything. What have they done that makes the company unique other than raise a lot of money and give some investors lots of voting power? -- Reconrabbit 18:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the government of Albania invested in artificial intelligence startup Thinking Machines Lab, which required an amendment to the country's 2025 budget? Thriley (talk) 16:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think this hook is good! Using this source? -- Reconrabbit 01:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Agree. ALT1 is far more interesting than the initial proposal. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
2025 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay
- ... that the Dutch women's 4 × 400 metres relay team won their third consecutive title (finish pictured) at the European Athletics Indoor Championships in 2025?
- ALT1 ... that the cheers were "deafening" when the Dutch team won the women's 4 × 400 metres relay at the 2025 European Athletics Indoor Championships (finish pictured) before a home crowd? Source: "In de finale van de 4×400 meter voor vrouwen bleef het zondagavond lang spannend, toen Bol en de Britse slotloopster naast elkaar de laatste bocht indoken. Maar toen zette Bol, indoor de snelste vrouw op de 400 meter ooit, aan en werd het gat met elke pas groter. Op de streep was het verschil ruim een halve seconde – en het gejuich oorverdovend." [English translation: In the final of the women's 4 × 400 metres on Sunday evening, it remained exciting for a long time, when Bol went into the last bend next to the British anchor runner. But then Bol, the fastest woman in the 400 metres indoors ever, pushed on and the gap grew bigger with every stride. At the finish line, the difference was more than half a second – and the cheers deafening.] (link)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Harry Wunsch, Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Kercher
Editør (talk) 14:39, 30 May 2025 (UTC).
Baynesville, Virginia
- ... that one of the first African-American postmasters was for the Baynesville, Virginia post office?
- Reviewed:
Firsfron of Ronchester 15:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems:
- Currently at AFD; most of the article concerns the post office rather than the settlement.
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- "one of the first" is not accurate to the source, which has dozens of entries before Johnson (1893).
- Interesting:
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Will have to be on hold while the AFD is still active. The article does need major reworking to focus on the settlement, so I'm leaning a no on this one. SounderBruce 03:45, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. I'd say WH Johnson was one of the first in a list of firsts, but Your Mileage May Vary. What do you think of this alternate hook? ...that one of the first African-American postmasters in the US state of Virginia was for the Baynesville, Virginia post office?
- Also, there are only three paragraphs about the post office, which is definitely not the majority of the article. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 04:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce and Firsfron: AfD was withdrawn. What else needs doing here?--Launchballer 12:52, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, Launchballer. I've suggested an alternate hook, and as you say, the AFD was withdrawn. Firsfron of Ronchester 01:42, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I still don't think "one of the first" is an accurate claim based on the source given. The line about him being appointed instead of a former Confederate soldier would be a more compelling (and accurate) hook. SounderBruce 01:44, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm totally okay with an alternate hook of your choice. Firsfron of Ronchester 14:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- For an ALT1: ... that the an African-American man was appointed postmaster of Baynesville, Virginia, in 1893 instead of a Confederate soldier? SounderBruce 18:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sounds good, although I would remove one of the two articles (the/an): ... that an African-American man was appointed postmaster of Baynesville, Virginia, in 1893 instead of a Confederate soldier? Thanks! Firsfron of Ronchester 03:56, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- For an ALT1: ... that the an African-American man was appointed postmaster of Baynesville, Virginia, in 1893 instead of a Confederate soldier? SounderBruce 18:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm totally okay with an alternate hook of your choice. Firsfron of Ronchester 14:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce and Firsfron: AfD was withdrawn. What else needs doing here?--Launchballer 12:52, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 28
[edit]Diagnostic overshadowing in autism
- ... that that chronic pain or depression in autistic people is sometimes misread as “just part of autism,” delaying diagnosis and care?
- Source: “Autistic individuals... experience elevated rates of chronic physical conditions, yet symptoms are often dismissed as part of autism rather than investigated as medical concerns.”
- — Diagnostic overshadowing in autism article, citing:
- Buie et al., 2010. Evaluation, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Gastrointestinal Disorders in Individuals With ASDs: A Consensus Report. PMID: 20048083
- ALT1: ... that that older autistic adults may go untreated for conditions like sensory loss, pain, or memory decline because their symptoms are wrongly attributed to autism?
- Source: “Older autistic adults... may be at heightened risk for misattributed cognitive decline (e.g., assuming communication challenges reflect autism when it may signal aging-related dementia or memory loss), untreated sensory loss... or inadequate pain management.”
- — Diagnostic overshadowing in autism article, citing:
- Hand et al., 2020. Prevalence of physical and mental health conditions in Medicare-enrolled, autistic older adults. PMID: 31773968
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my first DYK nomination. This article highlights a significant and under-recognized health equity issue in autism: how co-occurring conditions like chronic pain or memory decline may be missed due to diagnostic overshadowing.
PulsarPen (talk) 17:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC).
- @PulsarPen: Thanks for writing an important article like this! Here's the DYK review:
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Not all paragraphs have citations at the end.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- ALT0 isn't fully supported by the article - chronic pain and depression aren't specifically mentioned in the relevant sentence.
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
- Both hooks need formatting changes.
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: The hooks aren't formatted correctly - this guideline describes the standard style that hooks should be written in. As well as this, the first hook (ALT0) isn't supported by the article. Here's suggestions for improving your hooks, with correct formatting and the first hook's issue fixed:
- ALT0: ... that chronic conditions in autistic people are sometimes misread as "just part of autism", delaying diagnosis and care?
- ALT1: ... that older autistic adults may go untreated for conditions like sensory loss, pain, or memory decline because their symptoms are wrongly attributed to autism?
To have the review passed, you'll also have to add citations to the end of a few paragraphs, as "all content that could reasonably be challenged ... must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)." (from this guideline). Here's all the instances that need a citation:
- Section "Physical health in autistics", paragraph starting "Such misattributions can result in..."
- Section "Diagnostic overshadowing in reverse", paragraph starting "This form of overshadowing delays access to..."
- The first paragraph of the "Systemic contributors" section
- Section "Diagnostic overshadowing over the lifespan", paragraph starting "This form of lifespan overshadowing reflects..."
And one more minor thing: this doesn't affect whether or not the review passes, but usually when providing sources in DYK nominations, quotes are given from the citations themselves in order to make it easier for the reviewer to verify that the hooks are sourced.
Once the citation issues have been fixed, I'll be happy to pass this! I personally think that the first hook is a little more interesting than the second. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 23:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- @PulsarPen: Courtesy ping to let you know that this DYK will be rejected for inactivity soon if there's no reply. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 15:52, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Suntooooth and @IntentionallyDense, thank you both for your time and thoughtful feedback on this DYK. I’ve carefully addressed each point as follows: My intended edits are below. I’m struggling a bit about how to edit the DYK page…. Please bear with me as I try to figure this out (also appreciate any help on the adding my intended edits below) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PulsarPen (talk • contribs) 00:10, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
1. Synthesis Concern (IntentionallyDense) Reviewer comment: The article previously cited only epilepsy and GI disorders but made a broader claim about chronic conditions, which could be WP:SYNTH. My response: I've rewritten the sentence to remove the unsourced generalization. The updated phrasing now ties each condition (e.g., chronic pain, GI symptoms, autoimmune conditions) to secondary sources that explicitly discuss them. I also added:
- Mason et al. (2019): A systematic review that documents elevated chronic physical health conditions in autistic adults.
- Croen et al. (2015): A population-level study supporting multisystem health disparities.
This ensures that the revised statement reflects the scope of the sources used and avoids synthesis.
2. Hook Citation Support (Suntooooth) Reviewer comment: ALT0 originally referenced chronic pain and depression, but those conditions weren’t clearly cited in the article sentence used. My response: I revised the hook for clarity and ensured it matches the wording and sourcing in the article. The final hook is now: ALT0: ... that chronic conditions in autistic people are sometimes misread as "just part of autism", delaying diagnosis and care? This wording directly reflects the cited section of the article, which now ends with high-quality secondary citations (e.g., Mason et al. 2019, Buie et al. 2010).
3. Citation Placement at End of Paragraphs Reviewer comment: Several paragraphs did not end with citations as required. My response: I’ve reviewed and updated all flagged paragraphs to ensure proper citation placement, specifically:
- “Physical health in autistics” — now ends with Mason et al. (2019)
- “Diagnostic overshadowing in reverse” — now ends with Moyse & Porter (2015), a secondary source
- First paragraph of “Systemic contributors” — updated to cite Mason et al. (2019)
- Paragraph in “Diagnostic overshadowing over the lifespan” — ends with Croen et al. (2015) and Mason et al. (2019)
4. Hook Formatting Reviewer comment: Hooks weren’t in standard format. My response: Both hooks have now been updated to follow the DYK format:
- ALT0: ... that chronic conditions in autistic people are sometimes misread as "just part of autism", delaying diagnosis and care?
- ALT1: ... that older autistic adults may go untreated for conditions like sensory loss, pain, or memory decline because their symptoms are wrongly attributed to autism?
Each now appears as a complete question in DYK style and reflects a verified section in the article with inline secondary citations.
5. Quotes from Sources (Optional Suggestion) Reviewer suggestion: Consider quoting the sources in the DYK nomination to make reviewer verification easier. My response: I’ve added direct quote snippets from Buie et al. (2010), Mason et al. (2019), and Croen et al. (2015) into the nomination template to make verification easier.
“Autistic individuals experience elevated rates of a wide range of chronic physical conditions…” Mason et al. (2019) “Chronic constipation, abdominal pain, and other GI symptoms… are often misinterpreted as behavioral issues in autism.” –Buie et al. (2010) “Autistic adults had significantly higher rates of chronic conditions including hypertension, diabetes, and dementia.” Croen et al. (2015) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PulsarPen (talk • contribs) 00:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, but I'm going to have to ask for a second opinion from another reviewer. I'm not 100% sure that this should pass, and I'm on holiday right now so I don't have time to give this the attention it deserves - but I don't think it's a straightforward pass. (Also, you obviously didn't read the format guideline I linked in the review.) Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 00:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Irene D. Paden
- ... that Irene D. Paden turned a family summer vacation into a book on American westward expansion trails? Source: From 1932 to 1940 he accompanied his parents, Irene and William G. Paden, across the country every summer in their 1932 Dodge as they explored the California Trail, blazed by pioneers heading west from Independence 100 years earlier. + Mrs. Paden in her own charming way told the story of adventure and excitement covering the nine years she spent gathering data and material which make her book an interesting, authentic and important contribution to the history of the west. It is a detailed, close-up story of the emigrant trails which bore the great American migration from east to west.
- ALT1: ... that Irene D. Paden spent decades retracing the routes of American westward expansion trails all the way to Missouri? Source: With her late husband, Alameda School Superintendent Dr. William G. Paden, she traced the Pioneer routes from Missouri to California for more than 30 years. Traveling by jeep, as well as by horseback, car, pickup truck and afoot, they often could cover a day's ox-cart journey in 20 minutes.
- ALT2: ... that despite self-identifying as a "housewife", Irene D. Paden spent decades retracing the routes of American westward expansion trails all the way to Missouri? Source: Irene Dakin Paden (1888-1974), self-styled "housewife," + ALT0
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Boyd Jones and Template:Did you know nominations/David Viaene
ミラP@Miraclepine 14:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC).
- Comment not review @Miraclepine: the hooks include "westward expansion trails", I suggest "westward expansion trails" would be better, if you prefer westward expansion it needs to be replaced with [[Territorial evolution of the United States|westward expansion]] as, per WP:DYK200, links to redirect pages are not allowed in hooks. TSventon (talk) 15:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- @TSventon: Ah, the one rule I keep forgetting like a million times. I've fixed the hooks accordingly. ミラP@Miraclepine 15:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
How Do You Do (Shakira song)
- ... that Shakira's song "How Do You Do" was banned across the Middle East due to its lyrics addressing God in a way considered blasphemous?
- Reviewed:
1arch (talk) 15:35, 1 June 2025 (UTC).
New enough and long enough, but there's a bit of a sourcing/verification issue: the article from 2005 doesn't actually say the *song* was banned, or that there was a formal ban extending across the entire Middle East. What it describes is the *entire album* being withheld from Middle Eastern markets by its Muslim-owned distributor, who objected to the song's lyrics. Plus, our article on the album mentions that it *was* released in the Middle East (though with modified cover art), so the situation seems to be a bit more complex.
- A more accurate hook could be:
... that Shakira's Oral Fixation Vol. 2 was withheld from Middle Eastern markets due to controversy over the song How Do You Do and its references to God?
... that Shakira's song How Do You Do led to her album Oral Fixation Vol. 2 being withheld from Middle Eastern markets for addressing God in a way considered offensive?
- But first, we'll need to make sure we understand what exactly was banned (the song as the DYK currently says, or the album, per the source), by whom, and how it eventually returned to the market. Mariamnei (talk) 10:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- I looked into it and found another source from a book that clarifies that the album was released in some countries in the Middle East, but even then without the song. So, I was thinking this would do:
- ALT1: ... that Shakira's Oral Fixation, Vol. 2 was only released in a few Middle Eastern countries, and even then, without the song "How Do You Do", which was deemed blasphemous? 1arch (talk) 15:45, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- @1arch: Great! Could you please share the original quote from the book source so I can verify the content? Once you've added the quote here, and the source below the above alternative (as you did with the first option), we should be good to go. Mariamnei (talk) 09:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Operators and Things
- ... that the Nashville Banner said Operators and Things would both interest laymen and impress professionals due to its thorough examination of the unconscious self? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/nashville-banner/172319537/
- ALT1: ... that a book described as "an absorbing account of life in the dream world of a schizophrenic" was written by an anonymous author? Source: "Operators and Things: The Inner Life of a Schizophrenic". Publishers Weekly. Vol. 207, no. 5. F. Leypoldt. February 3, 1975. p. 44.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Hillbilly Thomists
- Comment: Tried my best to come up with some real interesting hooks for article 7 mil, would love other suggestions from the current text or if more is added in the future. ALT1 I was a bit unsure about the wording of anonymous vs pseudonymous, but per discussion at Talk:Operators and Things#Replace anonymous with pseudonymous? landed on this. ALT1 is also linked to an offline source, I've asked the author on their talkpage for a scan or equivalent of the source, given the shifting winds I see in regards to AGF sources.
PixDeVl (T | C | G) 21:59, 31 May 2025 (UTC).
- @PixDeVl: You can just google the quote from Publishers Weekly and look on Google Books and find it that way. Also it's on the back of the 2011 version, I believe, or at the very least it's on the Amazon.com page for the 2011 publishing. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:08, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Therapyisgood: found and verified, thank you! Never thought to just search it funny enough, I queried the whole citation and even combed the Internet Archives a bit for the issue. Cheers! --PixDeVl (T | C | G)
- How about something like ALT2 '...that the author of the 1958 autobiographical account (memoir?) Operators and Things, describing a schizophrenic author's experiences with "operators", has never been identified?' or even simply ALT3 '...that the anonymous 1958 autobiographical account Operators and Things describes a woman's onset and recovery from schizophrenia, aided by "operators"?'
- I like this "has never been identified" version, that's a proper hook for a "did you know". Mateussf (talk) 11:16, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mateussf: I like that former hook, I'd add that as an ALT2, but it may be a little bit long(WP:DYKTRIM). Not super sure on memoir vs account. --PixDeVl (T | C | G) 15:37, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @PixDeVl: the problem is she was identified, though, for the 1976 publication ("According to the 2011 version, the last time anyone had heard from O'Brien was in 1976, when she wrote an additional chapter for a new version of the book. Her author's blurb for the 1976 publication stated she was "fully recovered" and living outside of Los Angeles."). Therapyisgood (talk) 01:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've added ALT names, both ideas are within an acceptable wordcount. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:34, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- How about ALT4... that the identity of "Barbara O'Brien", the author of Operators and Things, a 1958 autobiographical account of schizophrenia, has not been publicly revealed?
- @PixDeVl: the problem is she was identified, though, for the 1976 publication ("According to the 2011 version, the last time anyone had heard from O'Brien was in 1976, when she wrote an additional chapter for a new version of the book. Her author's blurb for the 1976 publication stated she was "fully recovered" and living outside of Los Angeles."). Therapyisgood (talk) 01:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Mateussf: I like that former hook, I'd add that as an ALT2, but it may be a little bit long(WP:DYKTRIM). Not super sure on memoir vs account. --PixDeVl (T | C | G) 15:37, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- I like this "has never been identified" version, that's a proper hook for a "did you know". Mateussf (talk) 11:16, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 30
[edit]Nancy Broadfield Parkinson, George Mearns Savery, Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jones
... that Dame Nancy Broadfield Parkinson attended a school which was founded by George Mearns Savery and developed by Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jones (pictured)?
- Source: Hewlett, Dorothy (1981). Harrogate College 1893-1973. North Yorkshire, England: Harrogate College. ISBN 9780950742700.
ALT1: ... that George Mearns Savery founded Harrogate Ladies' College, Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jones (pictured) developed it, and Dame Nancy Broadfield Parkinson was a pupil there?Source: Hewlett, Dorothy (1981). Harrogate College 1893-1973. North Yorkshire, England: Harrogate College. ISBN 9780950742700.ALT2: ... that Dame Nancy Broadfield Parkinson attended a school which was founded and developed by educational pioneers George Mearns Savery and Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jones (pictured)?Source: Hewlett, Dorothy (1981). Harrogate College 1893-1973. North Yorkshire, England: Harrogate College. ISBN 9780950742700. The Savery and Jones articles both contain cited quotes, saying that they were educational pioneers (do a page search on each for "pioneer").- ALT3: ... that British Council controller Dame Nancy Broadfield Parkinson attended a school which was founded and developed by educational pioneers George Mearns Savery and Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jones (pictured)? Source: Hewlett, Dorothy (1981). Harrogate College 1893-1973. North Yorkshire, England: Harrogate College. ISBN 9780950742700. The Savery and Jones articles both contain cited quotes, saying that they were educational pioneers (do a page search on each for "pioneer").
- Reviewed: Academy of Music (Atlantic City, New Jersey), Death of Abisay Cruz, Gabriel Rucker, Meatball (black bear), Carmel Naughton and My Schizophrenic Life
- Comment: (1)
Four QPQs provided so far; two QPQs pending.Six QPQs are now completed. (2) All three articles moved to mainspace on 30 May 2025.
Storye book (talk) 07:49, 4 June 2025 (UTC).
I understand what you're going for with the hook, but is this really interesting to a broad audience? If a reader is unfamiliar with any of the names provided, the hook doesn't really sound all that interesting, it just said that these names were all involved in a particular school. My suggestion would be to propose individual hooks about each person, rather than going with a multi-hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:21, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree; the three articles are best understood if read together. Parkinson, an orphaned female, could never have achieved what she did in that era, without that school, and that school would never have existed as a pioneering, ground-breaking school without those two educational pioneers, Savery and Jones. There is no space in a DYK hook to explain that, and on WP we are not allowed to explain things. Our readers have to work it out. For that, they need to read all three articles. So - sorry, we need this to be a triple. I have added ALT2 and ALT3, which may answer your above concern somewhat. Storye book (talk) 10:01, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that helps much, even with the additional context. I'm very sorry, but I have struck the hooks for now. I'd like to see first some individual hook proposals first and see if it is at least feasible for them to stand alone. We can revisit the idea for a triple hook if none of them have feasible individual hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:44, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Yes, the three articles already stand alone as articles. But what they stand for, hookwise, as a set of three is more important. For a woman to attain that position, and achieve that national recognition, requires a level and quality of education which in those days in the UK was not easily available, even for men. I have unstruck ALTs 2 and 3, because I believe we need a second opinion on this. New reviewers: please check out the above discussion. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 08:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
As I said above, I am open to the possibility of a triple hook. I was not closing the door on it entirely. I just said that you needed to at least try to propose first individual hooks for the three. We could then discuss those individual hooks and see if any of them met the interest guidelines. If those hooks would not work out, then the triple hook idea could be revisited. As it stands, you did not even try to propose individual hooks: you were already closed to the idea.
- Also, in response to your comment, "For a woman to attain that position, and achieve that national recognition, requires a level and quality of education which in those days in the UK was not easily available, even for men," that arguably counts as specialist information. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Actually, reading through the articles right now, if your point is to show that Parkinson was an exceptional woman who deserves recognition, then that is arguably even more of an argument in favor of an individual hook at least for her, because a triple hook would be like tying her to other notable people instead of allowing her to stand on her own. I have gone through all three articles and all three were accomplished people in their own right: I do not think a triple hook that is primarily about Parkinson would give justice to Savery or Jones. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:08, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you really want, I can offer a compromise: given how Savery and Jones worked together and both of their articles devote large portions to their collaboration, I am open to a double hook with Savery and Jones, although I would also suggest at least trying to suggest individual hooks for either as possible options. However, I would still recommend that Parkinson have a separate individual hook. As it stands, her article does not even mention Savery, only Jones, and even then, only in passing, and I'm not really a fan of the idea of a hook about her being primarily about her links to others. The more about I think this, while I'm still open to the idea of a triple hook, the more I think it is not the best option and should be more-or-less a last resort. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- I have asked for a second opinion, and you have written above, twice, that you are open to a triple hook. That request of mine would include asking the new reviewer (or possibly reviewers, since it's 3 articles) to review the articles properly, and to consider ALT3, so I have unstruck it. Remember that you have only commented on the hook(s), and you have not actually reviewed the articles, so we still need a reviewer. Please don't edit-war over hook-striking. The above hooks do not break WP rules; they do not lie or mislead. Your striking is only about your own opinion.
- As for specialist information - how many first-world countries can you think of, where in the World War II era, women could - as easily as men - hold top government civil service positions, and get national awards for it? I think that most citizens of first-world countries would not expect to see women in top government posts during World War II. Think of all the photos you have seen of groups of important top government people signing documents at that time. Do you remember seeing women frequently among all the male suits and uniforms? I am not saying that there were no women in those formal photographs. I am saying that women officials in those photographs were uncommon. So no, that is not specialist information. Storye book (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- I do not understand why you are so close-minded to the idea of individual hooks about the three people, especially when I gave good reasons to move away from the triple hook. I mean, the current triple hook makes it seem like we're only really talking about Parkinson rather than also Savery and Jones: do you really want a hook that downplays Savery and Jones? In fact, the hook arguably downplays all three subjects: it reduces Parkinson to just someone who went to a school, and it reduces Savery and Jones to being a school founder. If we went with individual hooks, we could at least describe and promote their individual achievements. Yes, there's context behind Parkinson going to that school, but is that context going to be obvious in the hook? No, and that is the kind of hook that the guidelines explicitly discourage: hooks that are reliant on specialist information, or at least hooks that require explanations to be understandable.
- As for the unstriking, you were the one who unstruck the hooks after I struck them, even though I gave my reasons as to why they were struck. If anything, you are acting in bad faith if you are accusing me of edit-warring, when this could have been avoided if you simply stated disagreement with the striking without actually unstriking the hooks yourself. You are free to disagree with a reviewer (not necessarily me), but accusing them of edit-warring, when arguably you should not have unstruck the hooks in the first place, is arguably showing bad faith. My suggestion remains to move away from that angle for now, and to revisit it if other options fall through. For what it is worth, I asked on Discord for opinions regarding ALT3 (in a neutral manner), and the responses said that ALT3 was not interesting to a broad audience. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:39, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Nancy Broadfield Parkinson:
the article was moved to mainspace on May 30, so it is new enough. It is long enough, adequately sourced. Two QPQs have been done and they were proper, so they are accepted. I did not detect any close paraphrasing.
- Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jones:
also moved to mainspace on May 30, and meets the length, sourcing, and paraphrasing requirements. Two QPQs have been provided for it.
- George Mearns Savery:
moved to mainspace on the same date, I did not find close paraphrasing, DYK requirements are met, two QPQs done.
- Nancy Broadfield Parkinson:
- I have gone through all three articles, and I'm actually surprised that you did not even propose what is arguably the most interesting aspect about Parkinson. I'll be proposing it as the individual hook for her:

- ALT-NBP: ... that the British Council described Nancy Broadfield Parkinson (pictured) as a driving force behind the formation of UNESCO? British Council: "Her work with our Home Division was outstanding. But there is another lasting legacy for which she deserves credit. She was the driving force behind the establishment of UNESCO (the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation). The Conference of Allied Ministers of Education met regularly during the war, largely steered by Nancy and her determination to promote international co-operation in education".
- That's actually a standout moment of her life, far more than just simply talking about her going to a school. I would highly suggest focusing on this aspect of her as it is a major accomplishment, and also an interesting aspect of her life that is not reliant on having a background in the history of British education. My only concern about this aspect is that I could not find any UNESCO sites that mention Parkinson, but maybe there are offline sources about it.

- As for Jones and Savery, I've proposed individual hooks for both of them, as well as a double hook:
- ALT-GMS1: ... that George Mearns Savery (pictured) was one of the pioneers of women's education in England?
- ALT-GMS2: ... that former British prime minister H. H. Asquith found "an immediate and genuine interest" after hearing George Mearns Savery's (pictured) name?
- ALT-EWJ: ... that Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jones (pictured) accepted an offer to become headmistress of Harrogate Ladies' College after finding a horseshoe shamrock brooch on the ground?
- ALT-G/E: ... that George Mearns Savery and Elizabeth Wilhelmina Jones (pictured) collaborated in the development of Harrogate Ladies' College, one of the pioneering girls' schools in England?
- Let me know what you think about these hooks so that we can ask for a new reviewer to review them (I cannot review these hooks myself). In the interest of compromise, I am even unstriking ALT3 to allow for that reviewer to also consider it in addition to the individual hooks and the double hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:19, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for all your hard work on this one. OK, I'll accept Parkinson as a single, and Savery and Jones as a double nom. I have added the quotation from the source for your ALT-NBP Parkinson hook. The British Council, being a government department, is a sufficiently authoritative source for the hook, and is online and verifiable.
- I accept your hooks, with the exception of the following: I have adjusted your ALT-G/E hook (i.e. replaced "founding" with "development"), because Jones was not around when the school was founded, but they collaborated in a very intense manner for a short while over the development of the school (then Savery became ill and died, so that Jones carried on the development, but nevertheless, the collaboration was important, and is mentioned in a number of sources in both articles.). In the same hook, I have replaced "women's" with "girls'", because in that era girls did not come of age (I be legally considered women) until they were 21 years old. The school taught girls aged roughly 5-18 years. Storye book (talk) 09:09, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- The infobox ID image from the Parkinson article could be used with her new hook if required. I have added it to her hook above.. I do believe, though, that the above Jones image should be used in the double nom, because it is so eye-catching and beautiful. (And anyway, there does appear to be a reluctance to use ID pics of old, bearded white men on DYK). Storye book (talk) 09:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Now, I have no idea how to re-jig this nom into a single and double. BlueMoonset can you fix that? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 09:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC).
I mean that I could not find a third-party source other than the British Council that confirmed the UNESCO fact, since ideally I would have wanted a third-party source for a rather exceptional claim, or even an actual UNESCO source. Since Parkinson was associated with the British Council, they are not exactly an independent source. Anyway, since you've agreed to the new hook proposals, I'm asking for a new reviewer to review all the options proposed so far (including ALT3 and my proposals). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:06, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- I don't agree that such a formal and established British government source as the British Council should need a confirmatory citation. Are you disrespecting the government of my country? However I have added to Parkinson's article a photo of Parkinson as a UNESCO delegate, and added a sentence about it with a newspaper citation. Storye book (talk) 11:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- No need to be offended. It's just that some editors at DYK tend to be skeptical of non-independent or primary sources, so it's mostly for their benefit. I am personally okay with the source as I'm not the kind of editor who's particular about them, but I know that some editors tend to challenge such sources. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- I don't agree that such a formal and established British government source as the British Council should need a confirmatory citation. Are you disrespecting the government of my country? However I have added to Parkinson's article a photo of Parkinson as a UNESCO delegate, and added a sentence about it with a newspaper citation. Storye book (talk) 11:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Now, I have no idea how to re-jig this nom into a single and double. BlueMoonset can you fix that? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 09:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC).
Clermont (novel)
- ... that the novel Clermont by Regina Maria Roche was critiqued as an imitation of Anne Radcliffe's work, later gaining positive attention through Jane Austen's mention of it in Northanger Abbey?
- Source: Morin, Christina (2018), "Gothic materialities: Regina Maria Roche, the Minerva Press, and the bibliographic spread of Irish gothic fiction", The gothic novel in Ireland, c. 1760–1829, Manchester University Press, pp. 170, 154–195, doi:10.2307/j.ctv3zp024.9, ISBN 978-0-7190-9917-5, JSTOR j.ctv3zp024.9, retrieved 10 May 2025
- Reviewed:
JV MoE (talk) 14:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC).
The expansion is new enough and long enough, but I have several concerns. There are significant portions that lack citations after them, including commentary and subjective appraisals. Some of that content seems consistent with LLM/AI writing—not necessarily a bad thing, but an observation. I'd appreciate a page number on the specific page that the hook is drawn from. Additionally, please italicize the name of the Austen novel in the hook. ~ Pbritti (talk) 12:41, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Pbritti (I hope I’m responding correctly!) - thank you for reviewing the DYK nomination and for your feedback, much appreciated. I have italicized as per your request. Can I please double check if you were providing feedback for the DYK nomination specifically or for the article(s) mentioned? I did want to clarify that no AI was utilised to generate the nomination or the articles. I’ve also noted the source of the information in the nomination (page 170), but I can appreciate that literary criticism can present very subjectively. I can confirm though that the information on the article and the DYK nomination are extracted from scholarly articles and not from personal opinion. I’m happy to retract the nomination and find another more appropriate one, but clarification on the above would help me with making necessary improvements. Many thanks. ~JV MoE
- There remain substantial citation and grammar issues. Among them is the absence of citations at the end of paragraphs or their complete absence from certain passages and the use of abbreviated words (eg.
vs.
for versus). Consider reviewing Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines for more information. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2025 (UTC) - Hi Pbritti, checking again, can you please specify what you are referring to specifically that contains substantial issues? Which article that I’ve mentioned has raised your concerns, noting my main nomination is the novel Clermont. Northanger Abbey is a secondary mention which I’m happy to omit if not appropriate. I don’t think vs. is used at all in the Clermont article, unless I’ve missed this. Many thanks. ~JV MoE
- @JV MoE: I'm referring to Clermont (novel) regarding the issues. There are passages that lack a citation at the end and possess highly subjective statements that not only require citation, but also in-line attribution ("According to so-and-so, Clermont is..."). Some of the statements that lack citations and need them:
making her a quintessential Gothic heroine
,In line with much of what could be considered as ‘fairy tale endings’[...]
(that one needs to conform to MOS:CURLY, too),The inherent fear lies not only in the potential horrors
, andgiving contemporary scholars further reason
. ~ Pbritti (talk) 12:23, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- @JV MoE: I'm referring to Clermont (novel) regarding the issues. There are passages that lack a citation at the end and possess highly subjective statements that not only require citation, but also in-line attribution ("According to so-and-so, Clermont is..."). Some of the statements that lack citations and need them:
- There remain substantial citation and grammar issues. Among them is the absence of citations at the end of paragraphs or their complete absence from certain passages and the use of abbreviated words (eg.
Fire-eye
- ... that the fire-eye antbirds' (pictured) calls instead of songs are used to tell the species apart?
- Source: In a 2017 study, researchers found that "when [they] examined Pyriglena
vocalizations in this context, the outcomes revealed substantial diversity in their calls, rather than their songs [thus it] underscores the need to consider all vocalizations in taxonomic studies."
https://doi.org/10.11646%2Fzootaxa.4291.2.3- Reviewed:
Tkronos1 (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2025 (UTC).
No copyvio, reliable sources, good image, sufficient length of article. Suggesting a slightly shorter hook: ALT1 ... that the fire-eye antbirds' (pictured) use calls (not songs) to identify different antbird species? Jaireeodell (talk) 20:37, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Jaireeodell: Hooks must not contain parentheses outside of (pictured) per WP:DYK200.--Launchballer 16:41, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Thanks! I didn't know that. Would this work? ALT1 ... that the fire-eye antbirds' (pictured) use calls, not songs, to identify different antbird species? Jaireeodell (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- Fine by me, though I recommend ALT1a: ... that fire-eye antbirds (pictured) use calls to identify different antbird species rather than songs?. It's the same as ALT0 with no new information, so you could approve it yourself.--Launchballer 13:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Thanks! I didn't know that. Would this work? ALT1 ... that the fire-eye antbirds' (pictured) use calls, not songs, to identify different antbird species? Jaireeodell (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Jaireeodell: Hooks must not contain parentheses outside of (pictured) per WP:DYK200.--Launchballer 16:41, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 4
[edit]Horace Niall
- ... that Horace Niall was a speaker of the parliament – and an executioner?
- Source: executioner and was first Speaker of the National Parliament of Papua New Guinea
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Warren Truitt
- Comment: To do QPQs within a day or two. Apologies for being slightly late, hopefully this can be excused per WP:DYKG:
The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:11, 12 June 2025 (UTC).
Regardless of the QPQ, which I feel should've been done before the nomination, this article appears to have been moved to mainspace eight days before the nomination, a day over the seven-day deadline. Unfortunately, this means this article is right now ineligible for DYK. If you still want to nominate this article for DYK, I recommend first nominating it for WP:GA; a successful nomination will make the article eligible for DYK again. Lazman321 (talk) 03:02, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Lazman321: According to WP:DYKG:
The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.
I can do two QPQs early tomorrow (Friday) to make up for the slight lateness. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)Sorry for the confusion. Please try to get the QPQ as soon as possible. Lazman321 (talk) 03:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Added a QPQ (Template:Did you know nominations/Warren Truitt). Should I do a second one? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Lazman321: According to WP:DYKG:
Articles created/expanded on June 5
[edit]June 2025 Gaza Freedom Flotilla
- ... that a recent comment made by a sitting US senator was perceived as threatening military action against a humanitarian vessel?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Brave Bunnies
- Comment: Driveby nom per @Surtsicna:'s suggestion on the talk page.
Launchballer 01:07, 12 June 2025 (UTC).
Thanks, Launchballer. Here's one more:
- ALT1: ... that in June 2025 Israeli forces intercepted European humanitarians in international waters and forcibly took them to Israel?
Surtsicna (talk) 08:22, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- With apologies for nitpicking, 'International waters' (although informally used a lot in this context) is not strictly applicable- closest more accurate term without getting too verbose would be 'non-territorial waters'.Yadsalohcin (talk) 10:42, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Shi Bangfan
- ... that Shi Bangfan was the first Chinese pilot to shoot down a Japanese plane?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Hand That Signed the Paper and Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Libya
Toadboy123 (talk) 14:34, 7 June 2025 (UTC).
- I'm not going to review this, but Toadboy123, consider a hook other than "first". They're deprecated. Also, heads up, there's a broken citation to "Li 2009" that doesn't match any sources. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 18:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- @User:Sammi Brie Can you let me know which source is deprecated in the article? - Toadboy123 (talk) 11:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC).
- Regarding the Li 2009, that was a typo. I have fixed that. - Toadboy123 (talk) 11:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC).
- ALT1: ... that after losing his left arm in a dogfight where he downed a Japanese plane, Chinese pilot Shi Bangfan was honored with brand cigarettes named after him? - 那些年,湘西人的《无问西东》(In those years, the people of Xiangxi wrote "No Questions West and East") - Hunan Today - Toadboy123 (talk) 01:38, 9 June 2025 (UTC).
- @Toadboy123: WP:DYKINT We're basically phasing out hooks that say "X was the first Y". Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 01:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: I have included a new hook that does not feature 'the first' fact. - Toadboy123 (talk) 03:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC).
- Regarding the Li 2009, that was a typo. I have fixed that. - Toadboy123 (talk) 11:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC).
- @User:Sammi Brie Can you let me know which source is deprecated in the article? - Toadboy123 (talk) 11:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC).
Shagidi
- ... that "Shagidi" was inspired by the Filipino children's game Shagidi Shapopo?
- Source: Manila Standard
- ALT1: ... that the cover artwork of "Shagidi" is created by Bini member Maloi Ricalde? Source: Billboard Philippines
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chocolate in savory cooking
ROY is WAR Talk! 16:26, 5 June 2025 (UTC).
I do not see how either hook meets WP:DYKINT, or more specifically, how either hook appeals to non-Filipino readers. Please propose alternative hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:01, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- How does this is not passed in WP:DYKINT? First of all, it is a traditional Filipino dance relay. Is this WP:IDONTLIKEIT? ROY is WAR Talk! 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic.
Basically, that means the hook has to be interesting or at least eye-catching even to someone who is not necessarily familiar with the names or information mentioned in the hook. For one, the hook doesn't even make it clear that the subject is a song. The idea you should have when writing a hook is this: if a reader is not a fan of BINI and/or is not from the Philippines, could they understand the hook and appreciate it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)- Asking Launchballer if they could propose additional hook suggestions. In the meantime, I wonder if a revised version of ALT0 would solve the interest concerns:
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:24, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Actually, now that I think about it, I think ALT1 could work as a hook if it is rephrased as well, perhaps something like:
- The main concern I had was the lack of context for international readers who may not know who Bini is, so solving that should address the interest concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- How does this is not passed in WP:DYKINT? First of all, it is a traditional Filipino dance relay. Is this WP:IDONTLIKEIT? ROY is WAR Talk! 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 6
[edit]Eocarcharia
- ... that despite its name being in reference to the dinosaur family Carcharodontosauridae, Eocarcharia may actually be a member of the family Spinosauridae?
- Reviewed:
AFH (talk) 18:32, 13 June 2025 (UTC).
- Starting review--Kevmin § 16:49, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Article expansion new enough and long enough. Article well sourced, neutral in presentation, hook cited and confirmed to the source, citations are needed, per DYK rules, at the end of each fact bearing sentence used in the hook @Augustios Paleo and SlvrHwk:.--Kevmin § 15:38, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Michelle Pfeiffer (Ethel Cain song)
- ... that Michelle Pfeiffer stares back?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Visit Myanmar Year
- Comment: Driveby nom intended for WP:DYKAPRIL.
Launchballer 00:07, 12 June 2025 (UTC).
I understand that Pfeiffer is apparently a popular actress (although I'm not very familiar with her), and that this is intended to be an April Fools' hook, but as currently written, I can't see how this hook is interesting to a broad audience. Do you have any other, more "normal" hook proposals? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- I did mention at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Quit Dreaming and Get on the Beam that 5000+ views a day says a broad audience knows who she is and that therefore almost any hook would pass the 'intriguing' part of WP:DYKINT. I'm not going to refuse to suggest a "normal" hook at this point, but given that pop music hooks do poorly at WP:DYKSTATS (I was shocked by how badly Push 2 Start did), I strongly recommend that we go with an April Fool's hook for this (albeit maybe not this one).--Launchballer 01:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, two other editors objected to the hook (not just me), so it seems that there is loose consensus at least to move away from this angle or even from an April Fools' angle entirely. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- I did mention at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Quit Dreaming and Get on the Beam that 5000+ views a day says a broad audience knows who she is and that therefore almost any hook would pass the 'intriguing' part of WP:DYKINT. I'm not going to refuse to suggest a "normal" hook at this point, but given that pop music hooks do poorly at WP:DYKSTATS (I was shocked by how badly Push 2 Start did), I strongly recommend that we go with an April Fool's hook for this (albeit maybe not this one).--Launchballer 01:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
It's a good hook that creates plenty of intrigue and should get plenty of hits, indeed, it would probably do better if it wasn't used on April Fool's Day (when a bunch of questionable hooks tend to degrade overall impact) but just used as a standard quirky. Not every hook needs to spell out every aspect of the topic - probably half the hooks posted omit detail to create more interest. Gatoclass (talk) 02:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Gotta agree with Naruto, this is not "interesting". The only thought that I am left with after reading it is "where's the rest of the sentence?" And just because a broad audience knows who someone is does not mean that "almost any hook" would be intriguing. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Shorter hooks tend to be more effective, and omitting the quote marks would only be allowed on April Fool's Day.
- ALT1: ... that Michelle Pfeiffer has been described as "a breath of fresh air"?
- ALT2: ... that a Michelle Pfeiffer performance typically lasts about 4 minutes and 31 seconds?
- ALT3: ... that Michelle Pfeiffer has been described as "stylish"?
- ALT4: ... that Michelle Pfeiffer has been described as possessing "a cresting emotionality grand enough to fill the tallest IMAX screen"?
- ALT5: ... that Michelle Pfeiffer was inspired by Michelle Pfeiffer?--Launchballer 16:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT5 seems interesting.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- I can live with ALT5. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 7
[edit]Kamla Jaan
- ... that Kamla Jaan, in 2000, became the first hijra mayor in history of India?
- ALT1: ... that Kamla Jaan, an Indian hijra politician, was removed from office as mayor of Katni in 2003 because her legal gender did not match the category under which she was elected in 2000?
- ALT2: ... that Kamla Jaan became India's first eunuch mayor in 2000, but was removed from office in 2003 because her gender registration didn't match the women's quota?
- Sources:
- Ambreesh Mishra (July 23, 2007). "First Eunuch Mayor of India – Kamala Jaan". India Today. Archived from the original on 2019-11-02. Retrieved 2019-11-02.
- Haviland, Charles (2002-08-29). "India's first eunuch mayor unseated". BBC. Retrieved 2025-03-14.
- Reviewed:
Luke1437 (talk) 18:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC).
- I strongly recommend shortening this to:
- ALT3: ... that Kamla Jaan became India's first eunuch mayor in 2000?
- "Eunuch" can be swapped for "third gender" or "trans"; sources generally say they are interchangeable. We cannot say that she was elected in 2000. The sources are ambiguous, but from what I can tell she was probably elected in 1999 and took office in January 2000. Finally, I oppose ALT1 for being boring and I have made some grammatical fixed to ALT2, though the "quota" part still doesn't read smoothly. Toadspike [Talk] 18:17, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- In my opinion this "first" hook has strong sourcing to back it up, but if a non-"first" hook is needed, I suggest a condensed version of ALT1:
- ALT4: ... that Kamla Jaan, a hijra and mayor of Katni, was removed from office because the electoral rolls listed her as male?
- Source: [8]. ALT1's wording makes it hard to understand and thus not as interesting. Toadspike [Talk] 19:24, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- In my opinion this "first" hook has strong sourcing to back it up, but if a non-"first" hook is needed, I suggest a condensed version of ALT1:
Selim Al Deen Muktamanch
- ... that Selim Al Deen Muktamanch (pictured) is the first structure built in Indian Sub-continent in the architectural style of the Theatre of ancient Greece? Source: Source 1
- ALT1: ... that ... that Selim Al Deen Muktamanch (pictured) is the first structure built in Bangladesh in the architectural style of the Theatre of ancient Greece? Source: Source 2 Translated in En
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drag in France
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elogio del Horizonte
~ Φαϊσάλ (talk) 21:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC).
Peace discourse in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict
- ... that the goal of "peace" may mean different things to Israelis and Palestinians?
- Source: Sambaraju & McVittie 2018, p. 116: “There remains the question of what is to be, or indeed can be, done about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. One useful starting point would be to reconsider the use of talk of peace and violence in this context. If the term ‘peace’ is indeed nothing more than ‘an attractive but empty box’ (Gavriely-Nuri, 2010, p. 566), into which anyone can place and argue for what is to count as peace, then it can achieve little to retain this as the most desirable description of an outcome. Equally, where it becomes bound up with expectations (or lack of expectations) of international actors, then ‘peace’ potentially does little more than add layers of misunderstanding to existing complexities and to obscure what is at issue.”
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sayuti Abubakar and Template:Did you know nominations/Nurtami Soedarsono
Onceinawhile (talk) 19:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC).
- Comment @Onceinawhile, I'm not sure about the hook: it's probably passable, but I think something more specific, such as peace vs. justice or the resulting miscommunications might be better? FortunateSons (talk) 08:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- OK, how about:
- ALT1: …that because the goal of "peace" can mean different things to Israelis and Palestinians, it adds layers of misunderstanding?
- ALT2: …that the common interpretation of peace within Israeli society – security maintained through oppressive military control – has not proven sustainable?
- Onceinawhile (talk) 22:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think those are better, with 1 being more factual and 2 being more interesting in my opinion. I’ll leave the full review to someone more experienced and less involved, but feel free to ping me if there is no timely review available. FortunateSons (talk) 19:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- OK, how about:
Articles created/expanded on June 8
[edit]Bob Wicks
- ... that from fourth grade through college, American football player Bob Wicks was teammates with the same quarterback?
- Source: The Herald Journal
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Howard Wing
- Comment: Eligible as both 5x expanded and as newly-promoted GA.
To do QPQ within a day or two.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:36, 16 June 2025 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 9
[edit]Vladyslav Gorai
- ... that Vladyslav Gorai portrayed the Duke in Verdi's Rigoletto at the Odesa Opera and in Italy, and toured with repertoire of the Three Jerusalem Tenors in the United States and Macau? Source: several
- Reviewed: Bohlenia
- Comment: trying to give an idea of performing in the world and wide repertoire - suggestions welcome - wish we could show the image -- it's so sad
Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 16 June 2025 (UTC).
European Australian Movement
- ... that the European Australian Movement has a stated aim of building "a physical and politicised white Australian community"? Source: https://www.bordermail.com.au/story/8570790/racist-letters-dropped-in-riverina-mailboxes-to-be-referred-to-police/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lions v Giants (2024 AFL Season)
- Comment: I'm open to any suggestions for alternative hooks. Note: The source is paywalled, but can be found through the Wikipedia Library, on ProQuest at https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/racist-letter-drop-is-dangerous-beyond-belief-mp/docview/3014032304/se-2.
TarnishedPathtalk 09:50, 9 June 2025 (UTC).
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- n
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- n
- Other problems:
- Infobox contains uncited claims not mentioned in the body, and without citations. In particular: predecessors, formation, and some points in purpose.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- n
- Other problems:
- A mere mission statement is not interesting. Even so, this claim seems rather ordinary for a Neo-Nazi organization. I believe more content should be added to this article so that more interesting information can be found.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: I would recommend you first build up information about the organization's history, its beliefs, and its activities before adding claims to the infobox. Also, the image of the flag is most likely copyrighted in Australia, so it should be hosted locally on enwiki. ―Howard • 🌽33 13:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Howardcorn33 I've removed the flag and the predecessors stuff from the infobox. Does that resolve most of the points above aside from the subjective opinion that the hook is not interesting?TarnishedPathtalk 14:29, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @TarnishedPath: "Anti-LGBT," "Antisemitism," "Ecofascism" should be discussed in the article body itself. The year of formation is also uncited. ―Howard • 🌽33 14:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Howardcorn33 fixed. Per the interesting part, I'd think that it is only uninteresting if you know who they are, which can be said of almost every hook. If there anything else which is uncited? TarnishedPathtalk 16:15, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @TarnishedPath: Infobox and citations are OK. I suppose I can only speak for myself when saying if something is interesting, but the provided hook only describes a stated aim of a Western far-right organization which may well apply to dozens of far-right organizations around the world. I don't see anything exceptional about it. (Just to be clear, this is my 3rd time reviewing a DYK, so I'm not the most experienced to talk about this. If you disagree, then I would be OK with a second opinion.) ―Howard • 🌽33 16:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
@Howardcorn33, no worries, I'll take you up on your suggestion and request a second opinion. TarnishedPathtalk 16:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @TarnishedPath: Infobox and citations are OK. I suppose I can only speak for myself when saying if something is interesting, but the provided hook only describes a stated aim of a Western far-right organization which may well apply to dozens of far-right organizations around the world. I don't see anything exceptional about it. (Just to be clear, this is my 3rd time reviewing a DYK, so I'm not the most experienced to talk about this. If you disagree, then I would be OK with a second opinion.) ―Howard • 🌽33 16:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Howardcorn33 fixed. Per the interesting part, I'd think that it is only uninteresting if you know who they are, which can be said of almost every hook. If there anything else which is uncited? TarnishedPathtalk 16:15, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- @TarnishedPath: "Anti-LGBT," "Antisemitism," "Ecofascism" should be discussed in the article body itself. The year of formation is also uncited. ―Howard • 🌽33 14:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that European Australian Movement's leader,Thomas Sewell, was convicted of violent disorder after he attacked hikers? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20230802054833/https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/neo-nazi-leader-pleads-guilty-to-attack-on-hikers-20230801-p5dsxm.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240326023546/https://regionriverina.com.au/neo-nazi-letterbox-drop-in-wagga-calls-for-white-australian-recruits/56557/
- ALT2 ... police have investigated the European Australian Movement after it distributed letters with blood and honour printed on them? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/sa-police-investigating-right-wing-flyers-left-in-letter-boxes/101062966
Articles created/expanded on June 10
[edit]Eddie Garcia (American football)
- ... that after playing in the NFL, Eddie Garcia became a salesman who "could sell ice to a penguin"?
- Source: GB Press Gazette
- ALT1: ... that Eddie Garcia "could sell ice to a penguin"? Source: same
- Reviewed: to do
- Comment: Eligible as both 5x expanded and as newly-promoted GA. To do QPQ within a day or two.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:55, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
Sraboner Meghgulo Joro Holo Akashe
- ... that rain unexpectedly began to fall moments after the monsoon song began at same place, twice? Source: Source 1; Source 2
~ Φαϊσάλ (talk) 14:17, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
Baena (surname)
- ... that , outside of Spain, the Spanish surname Baena is often associated with people of Sephardi Jewish descent?
- Source: Radio Sefarad (in Spanish)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Kalyani
- Comment: (QPQ may appear used; the nom page had three articles reviewed and has only been cashed in once before.) Hook suggestions welcome!
Kingsif (talk) 04:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC).
Liquid Glass
- ... that Liquid Glass was criticised for being too transparent ?
- Source: [9]
- ALT1: ... that the design language used by Apple in its 2025 redesign of its operating systems has similar elements to the design language used by Windows Vista? Source: [10]
- ALT2: ... that Liquid Glass, a design language designed by Apple, was criticised for being too transparent? Source: [11]
- ALT3: ... that Apple’s Liquid Glass software designers fabricated real glass of different densities to replicate its properties? Source: [12]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Guilty as Sock!
Sohom (talk) 04:06, 12 June 2025 (UTC).
- @Blubits, Limmidy, Sohom Datta, and TempoaryAcc: Just noting that I've left some tags that may need attention before this nomination can proceed. Thanks for your work on this article! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:19, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Fixed the issues mentioned in the tags (I think) :) Sohom (talk) 12:06, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Mary Kahil
- ... that Mary Kahil, an Egyptian Christian mystic, was a cofounder of the country's first feminist movement and codirected an Islamic charity?
- Source: Keryell, Jacques (2010). Mary Kahîl: une grande dame d'Égypte: 1889-1979. Paris: Geuthner. p. 12: "En 1920, elle rentre au Caire et participe activement à la fondation du Mouvement de l'Union féministe égyptienne avec Houda Chaaraoui. Elle travaille comme secrétaire et animatrice dans l'œuvre musulmane de bienfaisance 'Mohammed Ali'."
- Reviewed:
- Comment: No further comment—I think I have everything lined up and there shouldn't be any hiccups with sourcing.
M.A.Spinn (talk) 02:17, 11 June 2025 (UTC).
Fletcher Ransom
- ... that after years of working as an illustrator of books and magazines, Fletcher Ransom published his own book in which he satirized President Theodore Roosevelt?
- Source: [13]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Third Josef Hoop cabinet
- Comment: 2nd QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Peter Talbot (bishop)
Kimikel (talk) 21:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 11
[edit]Klaus König
- ... that Klaus König, who appeared as Wagner's Tannhäuser internationally, performed the tenor solo in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony conducted by Leonard Bernstein after the Fall of the Berlin Wall? Source: several
- Reviewed: Audrey Hawthorn
Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
Undefeated (band)
- ... that when Lis Dunckel (pictured) replaced the previous bassist for Undefeated, she didn't know how to play bass?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trichy assault rifle
- Comment: Part of WikiProject Women in Red
3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 12:46, 13 June 2025 (UTC).
Diagon Alley
- ... that following the release of Universal Studios Florida's Diagon Alley, The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon was temporarily moved to Universal Studios Florida alongside Pitbull and Jennifer Lopez?
- Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that the Hogwarts Express (Universal Orlando Resort) in The Wizarding World of Harry Potter (Universal Orlando Resort) takes people between Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade? Source: [2]
- ALT2: ... that Gandy Street in Exeter, The Shambles in York, and Victoria Street in Edinburgh were all originally thought to be the inspiration for Diagon Alley? Source: [3]
- Reviewed:
Mikeycdiamond (talk) 04:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC).
References
- ^ Sangalang, Jennifer. "Lumos! Universal lights up Diagon Alley". Florida Today. Archived from the original on December 5, 2022. Retrieved 2025-06-10.
- ^ Sekula, Sarah (2014-06-20). "Sneak peek: Harry Potter's Diagon Alley". CNN. Retrieved 2025-06-10.
- ^ Pocock, Emma. "J.K. Rowling Debunks 'Harry Potter' Inspiration Claims". Forbes. Retrieved 2025-06-07.
Current nominations
[edit]Articles created/expanded on June 12
[edit]Muhidin Mohamad Said
- ... that having served five consecutive terms, Muhidin Mohamad Said is the longest-serving incumbent member of Indonesia's House of Representatives? Source: [14] and [15]. Note that he's a house member in 2004-present(until 2029), his 1992-2004 term is the People's Consultative Assembly
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lü Hung-chih
- Comment: “Incumbent” is a key word there, as I believe there are two members who have served 1999-2024, but did not run for reelection in 2024.
Juxlos (talk) 00:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC).
Italian reserve football teams
- ... that though Italian reserve football teams had first been created in 1904, they were inactive between 1976 and 2018, when Juventus U23 foundation revived the project?
- Source: Article Source 1, Source 7 and Source 9
- ALT1: ... that Italian football clubs could even have a third reserve team in early 20th century? Source: Sources 2-5
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dungka!
- Comment:
Will do the QPQ later
Wikipediæ philosophia (talk) 21:34, 14 June 2025 (UTC).
Skraban–Deardorff syndrome
- ... that only about 150 people have been diagnosed with Skraban–Deardorff syndrome, a rare genetic condition whose individuals are often described as sociable and happy?
- Reviewed: [[]]
— Strange Orange 02:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC).
Murder of Luigia Borrelli
- ... that the murder of Luigia Borrelli is known as the "drill crime"?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1910 Italy v France football match
- Comment: High profile case in Italy
Moondragon21 (talk) 05:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC).
Dull hook. A lot of murder investigations have been reopened after long periods of time (see Murder of Sherri Rasmussen, for instance). Daniel Case (talk) 04:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Daniel Case How about..... that the murder of Luigia Borrelli is known as the "drill crime"? Moondragon21 (talk) 09:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Better. Just provide a source when you make it ALT1. Daniel Case (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: Done. Moondragon21 (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- I meant here in the nomination, actually, but I checked it in the article and it's fine. I'd put it in the lede where you first mention it. Daniel Case (talk) 04:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: Now it's in the lede. Is everything alright now? Moondragon21 (talk) 02:59, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I meant in the article lede, right after that term in Italian is mentioned. Daniel Case (talk) 02:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: I think it is already. Moondragon21 (talk) 03:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- No, it's not. First sentence: "The murder of Luigia Borrelli, known in Italy as delitto del trapano" Right after that is where it should go. Daniel Case (talk) 03:52, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: I am confused. What should the sentence be word-for-word? Moondragon21 (talk) 08:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- No, it's not. First sentence: "The murder of Luigia Borrelli, known in Italy as delitto del trapano" Right after that is where it should go. Daniel Case (talk) 03:52, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: I think it is already. Moondragon21 (talk) 03:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I meant in the article lede, right after that term in Italian is mentioned. Daniel Case (talk) 02:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: Now it's in the lede. Is everything alright now? Moondragon21 (talk) 02:59, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I meant here in the nomination, actually, but I checked it in the article and it's fine. I'd put it in the lede where you first mention it. Daniel Case (talk) 04:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: Done. Moondragon21 (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Better. Just provide a source when you make it ALT1. Daniel Case (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
I took care of it. Daniel Case (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: thanks. How is the DYK looking now? Moondragon21 (talk) 17:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Better in this department, but given the degree to which I have been involved already I think it better if someone else does the full review Daniel Case (talk) 18:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- No problem. Thanks for the advice on the hook. Moondragon21 (talk) 11:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 13
[edit]McKenzie & Willis Store
- ... that after the 2011 Christchurch earthquake, McKenzie & Willis Store (pictured) was demolished but the facade was kept and restored?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/St Anne's Church, Lewes
- Comment: I moved the article to mainspace 5 days ago so this should be new enough.
―Panamitsu (talk) 09:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
Golden Lap
- ... that Formula One races in Golden Lap are simply colored dots traveling along a thick line? Source: Gamereactor, God is a Geek
- ALT1: ... that in Golden Lap, both drivers of a Formula One team can die in the same season? Source: Movies Games and Tech
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bal Krishna Kaul
'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (💬 • ✍️) 11:56, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
The Westerlies
- ... that The Westerlies folded a piece of tin foil over the bell of a trombone to make it hiss?
- Source: "One of the trombonists folded tin foil across the bell of his horn, creating a restless sibilance underneath the crystal tones and rough growls of his bandmates." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/arts/music/playlist-demi-lovato-dua-lipa-meek-mill.html
Spaghettifier talk 22:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC).
Strikeout looking
- ... that in baseball and softball, a pitcher is given a backwards K by the scorekeeper when they record a strikeout looking?
- Source: Sports Illustrated
- ALT1: ... that the National Baseball Hall of Fame does not know of anybody who can be credited with first using the "ꓘ" notation for a strikeout looking? Source: Longview News-Journal
- Reviewed: Urien
- Comment:
QPQ to come.QPQ now done.
Soulbust (talk) 22:21, 14 June 2025 (UTC).
Doll Hut
- ... that a shack in Anaheim, California, that holds 89 people has hosted concerts by Blink-182, The Offspring, and Sublime?
- Source: Vega, Priscella (April 25, 2016). "How did the Doll Hut become an O.C. music scene focal point? A new documentary zeroes in". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved June 13, 2025.
- Staff (September 4, 2007). "Doll gets new (old) look". The Orange County Register. Southern California News Group. Retrieved June 13, 2025.
- Reviewed:
Sewageboy (talk) 05:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC).
Lynching of Preston Porter Jr.

- ... that an inquest concluded that the lynching of Preston Porter Jr. (pictured) was carried out "at the hands of parties unknown" despite there being over 300 witnesses? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/st-marys-journal/174312991/
- ALT1: ... that nobody in the mob that lynched Preston Porter Jr. (pictured) ever faced consequences? Source: https://eji.org/news/historical-marker-in-denver-memorializes-racial-terror-lynching-of-15-year-old-boy/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Scott King (basketball)
- Comment: Open to alternative hooks as well
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC).
Worrall Reed Carter
- ... that Worrall Reed Carter wrote about "bullets, beans and black oil"? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/1975/07/23/archives/admwr-carter-expert-on-supply-shaper-of-replenishment-at-sea.html
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:06, 13 June 2025 (UTC).
Prescott Currier
- ... that Prescott Currier was one of the first group of four Americans to visit Bletchley Park? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35491822
- ALT1: ... that Prescott Currier was one of the first U.S. Navy radio intercept operators, known as the "On-the-Roof Gang"? Source: https://stationhypo.com/2019/06/04/remembering-capt-prescott-h-currier-usn-cryptologist/
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC).
Not a full review, but I don't see how the hook as currently written meets DYKINT, as its interest is reliant on knowing what Bletchley Park is. @Hawkeye7: Do you have any other suggestions? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- It is very well known indeed, with plenty of movies and TV shows, and the reader can always click on the link. But I have added an ALT. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I disagree with this objection. Bletchley Park is one of the most famous military programs in world history. It is true that it only became known by the general public for the last 40 or more years. Viriditas (talk) 02:37, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think both of you might be overestimating how familiar the general public is about it, especially international readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:45, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm going to push back on this a bit. If you completed the entirety of your education before the 1980s and don't keep up with popular culture and don't read widely, then yes, you are correct, you probably won't know what Bletchley Park is or why it is important in fields ranging from mathematics to computing to history. So I will agree with you if we are restricting our readership to that set of people. The problem is, that's not who uses Wikipedia. Surveys show that most users of Wikipedia are between the ages of 18 and 34. Why does this matter? Because the existence of Bletchley Park was first revealed in the mid-1970s (1974?). Most people didn't hear of it until the 1990s after it opened to the public. There was a slow trickle of info in the 1980s. I think I first recall hearing about it in the late 1980s or early 1990s. With the rise of information technology by the 2000s, I would guess that it became more widely known in the tech industry, given the role of Alan Turing and the use of now-famous computers like Colossus and the codebreaking machine known as the Bombe. Around 60% of Wikipedia readers have had some form of higher education, and because most of these users are in the younger demographic, we can safely assume that the general public that uses Wikipedia is familiar with Bletchley Park because they were exposed to it after it became widely known. Nerdgasm aside, Prescott Currier worked on the goddamn Voynich manuscript. ALT0 should be passed, and frankly, that hook is awesome. Viriditas (talk) 09:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not yet in my 30s and I've never heard of Bletchley Park before, and I'm someone who already knows more about tech history than the average person. I think it might just be your personal bias showing, but you may be overestimating how much the average person is familiar with it. I imagine it might also be a regional thing: perhaps readers in North America or Europe may be more familiar with it than someone in Asia. But if that's the case, then pushing for it given the circumstances may be a case of systemic bias. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I don’t see systemic bias here nor can I imagine how that term applies. I see human achievements in formerly secret, highly classified, specialized or niche domains that are now well known to people who are familiar with math, computing, and history, ideas that have reached mainstream status over time. I am more curious as to why these ideas would not be well known in your region. Viriditas (talk) 17:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I mean, if your suggestion is basically "Wikipedia's audience is mostly male, of a certain age, and from the Anglosphere, and so hooks should appeal to them," then that is systemic bias. As for your second question, most of the world does not really deal with computer history in class, and the average person might not even know historical computer figures apart from Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and maybe Steve Wozniak. At least where I'm from, I don't even think the Enigma machine was ever mentioned in our history classes and I only knew about it due to watching documentaries or reading about it at the library, although it could just be a sign of how weak our educational system is over here. My point is simply that you may be overestimating how much the average person knows about Bletchley Park, especially outside the Anglosphere (or maybe even within it). At best, additional context should be added to the hook, and ideally a different direction should be used entirely. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT0a: "... that Prescott Currier was one of the first group of four Americans to visit Bletchley Park, the secret British code-breaking center in World War II?" Viriditas (talk) 23:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's okay. Bletchely Park would would be familiar to those who have seen the movie or the other movie or the TV show, so the hook should do fine. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:26, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT0a: "... that Prescott Currier was one of the first group of four Americans to visit Bletchley Park, the secret British code-breaking center in World War II?" Viriditas (talk) 23:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I mean, if your suggestion is basically "Wikipedia's audience is mostly male, of a certain age, and from the Anglosphere, and so hooks should appeal to them," then that is systemic bias. As for your second question, most of the world does not really deal with computer history in class, and the average person might not even know historical computer figures apart from Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and maybe Steve Wozniak. At least where I'm from, I don't even think the Enigma machine was ever mentioned in our history classes and I only knew about it due to watching documentaries or reading about it at the library, although it could just be a sign of how weak our educational system is over here. My point is simply that you may be overestimating how much the average person knows about Bletchley Park, especially outside the Anglosphere (or maybe even within it). At best, additional context should be added to the hook, and ideally a different direction should be used entirely. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I don’t see systemic bias here nor can I imagine how that term applies. I see human achievements in formerly secret, highly classified, specialized or niche domains that are now well known to people who are familiar with math, computing, and history, ideas that have reached mainstream status over time. I am more curious as to why these ideas would not be well known in your region. Viriditas (talk) 17:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not yet in my 30s and I've never heard of Bletchley Park before, and I'm someone who already knows more about tech history than the average person. I think it might just be your personal bias showing, but you may be overestimating how much the average person is familiar with it. I imagine it might also be a regional thing: perhaps readers in North America or Europe may be more familiar with it than someone in Asia. But if that's the case, then pushing for it given the circumstances may be a case of systemic bias. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm going to push back on this a bit. If you completed the entirety of your education before the 1980s and don't keep up with popular culture and don't read widely, then yes, you are correct, you probably won't know what Bletchley Park is or why it is important in fields ranging from mathematics to computing to history. So I will agree with you if we are restricting our readership to that set of people. The problem is, that's not who uses Wikipedia. Surveys show that most users of Wikipedia are between the ages of 18 and 34. Why does this matter? Because the existence of Bletchley Park was first revealed in the mid-1970s (1974?). Most people didn't hear of it until the 1990s after it opened to the public. There was a slow trickle of info in the 1980s. I think I first recall hearing about it in the late 1980s or early 1990s. With the rise of information technology by the 2000s, I would guess that it became more widely known in the tech industry, given the role of Alan Turing and the use of now-famous computers like Colossus and the codebreaking machine known as the Bombe. Around 60% of Wikipedia readers have had some form of higher education, and because most of these users are in the younger demographic, we can safely assume that the general public that uses Wikipedia is familiar with Bletchley Park because they were exposed to it after it became widely known. Nerdgasm aside, Prescott Currier worked on the goddamn Voynich manuscript. ALT0 should be passed, and frankly, that hook is awesome. Viriditas (talk) 09:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think both of you might be overestimating how familiar the general public is about it, especially international readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:45, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 14
[edit]Articles created/expanded on June 15
[edit]Rini Widyantini
- ... that Indonesia's current state apparatus minister, Rini Widyantini, once took care of one of her predecessors' child? Source: "In September 1970, our first child was born, and we named him Rezal Ashari... When the two of us returned to campus, we left Rezal in the charge of the Nadisah family, who very kindly agreed to babysit him. Pak Nadisah’s youngest daughter, Rini Widyantini, was the most involved in taking care of Rezal." Kusumaatmadja, Sarwono (2020). Steering a middle course: from activist to Secretary General of Golkar. ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute. Singapore: ISEAS. pp. 100. ISBN 978-981-4881-65-4.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 03:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
Horvat Midras

- ... that a peculiar stepped pyramid at Horvat Midras, Israel, is now believed to be part of a grand Second Temple–era tomb in the Judaean Foothills?
- Source: Gardner, Gregg E.; Peleg-Barkat, Orit (2024). "Conspicuous Construction: New Light on Funerary Monuments in Rural Early Roman Judea from Horvat Midras". Bulletin of the American Society of Overseas Research. 391 (1). doi:10.1086/728460. p. 17. "The recent excavations at Horvat Midras have shed light on the pyramidal funerary monument, including its construction methods and connection to the burial cave to its north... The burial complex and nefesh are an impressive example of a monumental family display tomb from the end of the Second Temple era. Its location in a rural site in the Judean Foothills indicates that grand burial complexes existed not only in Jerusalem and other large cities, but also in these extra-urban regions."
- ALT1: ... that a stepped pyramid at Horvat Midras, Israel, has been identified as the remnant of a monumental family tomb from Second Temple Judea? Source: Gardner, Gregg E.; Peleg-Barkat, Orit (2024). "Conspicuous Construction: New Light on Funerary Monuments in Rural Early Roman Judea from Horvat Midras". Bulletin of the American Society of Overseas Research. 391 (1). doi:10.1086/728460. p. 17. "The recent excavations at Horvat Midras have shed light on the pyramidal funerary monument, including its construction methods and connection to the burial cave to its north... The burial complex and nefesh are an impressive example of a monumental family display tomb from the end of the Second Temple era. Its location in a rural site in the Judean Foothills indicates that grand burial complexes existed not only in Jerusalem and other large cities, but also in these extra-urban regions."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Among the People
Mariamnei (talk) 07:02, 16 June 2025 (UTC).
Doug Gilding
- ... that Doug Gilding has served nearly 30 years in prison, sentenced to life without parole under the felony murder rule, for a murder committed while he was home asleep in another county?
- Source: ["A Ten-Minute Conversation, A Lifetime Behind Bars: The Story of Doug Gilding"]. Georgetown Prisons and Justice Initiative. YouTube. 2025-05-12. Retrieved 2025-06-15.
- Reviewed:
InspiredByGeorgetownPJI (talk) 18:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC).
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- Interesting:
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: A lot of concerns for this nomination, unfortunately. I understand that this is your first nomination, and this is literally you first article, so everyone would've made mistakes anyways. (I did as well, they don't even exist anymore...) First, pretty high hits on earwig (50+%) with hits that could've been avoided by writing it differently. The hook and a lot of the article is sourced to a Youtube video published by "georgetown prisons and justice initiative". This is a private school, and therefore I severely doubt its reliability. (Sorry if I missed something about this.) I guess from your edit summaries, you're a fan of their works but DYK won't really consider such hooks presentable, and even if I passed it they'll just be pulled (removed) anyways. Either way, a lot of work to be done here.
Oh yeah, please don't upload copyright violations to commons, thanks. Self-trouted. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 13:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Urien
- ... that eight poems to the sixth-century Brittonic king Urien Rheged may be among the oldest vernacular European literature?
- Source: Williams, Ifor (1968). The Poems of Taliesin. Translated by Williams, J. E. Caerwyn. Dublin: Institute for Advanced Studies. pp. xxvi–xxviii.
- ALT1: ... that eight poems to the sixth-century Brittonic king Urien Rheged may be some of the oldest European literature not in Latin or Greek? Source: Williams, Ifor (1968). The Poems of Taliesin. Translated by Williams, J. E. Caerwyn. Dublin: Institute for Advanced Studies. pp. xxvi–xxviii.
- Reviewed:
Tipcake (talk) 16:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC).
- Article was promoted to GA status on June 15, satisfying the criteria of being new enough, reliably sourced, and presentable. Article is quite nice. Also long enough. Hooks are interesting, short enough, and properly sourced. I like both ALT0 and ALT1 about equally here, would probably go with ALT0. QPQ not applicable here. Very good job here on getting it to GA status. Should be good to go for the DYK section. Soulbust (talk) 07:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 16
[edit]Aristasia
- ... that the subculture of Aristasia combined Guénonian Traditionalism with lesbian separatism?
- Source: MoChridhe, Race (2020) "The Still Center as Invented Topos: Static Pilgrimage in Aristasia," International Journal of Religious Tourism and Pilgrimage: Vol. 8: Iss. 3, Article 7. doi: https://doi.org/10.21427/a2a5-2e06
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I think this topic is interesting, though there are a number of difficulties in covering it well. Kind of classic Wikipedia content. Curious to hear other people's takes.
Prezbo (talk) 10:11, 19 June 2025 (UTC).
A Welsh Singer
- ... that an actress who appeared in the 1915 film A Welsh Singer did not act in a film again until 1948?
- Source: "Evans, Dame Edith Mary". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/31087. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
Llewee (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
Florence Nightingale (1915 film)
- ... that a 1915 film about Florence Nightingale was criticised for not mentioning her pet parrot?
- Source: Jolo (April 1915). "Film Reviews: Florence Nightingale". Variety. Vol. 38, no. 6. p. 20. ISSN 0042-2738.
Llewee (talk) 13:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
2025 Chennai Super Kings season
- ... that Chennai Super Kings finished in last place of the Indian Premier League for the first time in the 2025 season? Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/ipl/chennai-super-kings-finish-bottom-points-table-records-gujarat-10028186/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is an interesting fact as Chennai Super Kings are the joint-most successful team with 5 title wins.
Vestrian24Bio 16:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
Abdul Wahab Zahiri
- ... that sprinter Abdul Wahab Zahiri made his international debut the same year he competed at the 2016 Summer Olympics?
- Source: [19]
Arconning (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
Kenaz Kaniwete
- ... that sprinter Kenaz Kaniwete made his international debut a year prior to competing at the 2024 Summer Olympics?
- Source: [20]
Arconning (talk) 09:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC).
- @Arconning: The article was indeed 5x expanded and passes all the standard checks. The hook seems a little boring—it doesn't really tell a story of why that's impressive. We don't want to focus on him being the youngest athletics competitor at the 2024 Olympics and/or the U18 record? Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- @The ed17: Would it be better if its hook would be "... that sprinter Kenaz Kaniwete made his international debut at the age of fifteen, a year prior to competing at the 2024 Summer Olympics?" I wouldn't go for the youngest athletics competitor at the Games as it'd feel like a re-run of the hook used for Template:Did you know nominations/Kiribati at the 2024 Summer Olympics.
- @Arconning: I see. Maybe that could be shortened to "... that teenage sprinter and Olympian Kenaz Kaniwete made his international debut at the age of fifteen?" Ed [talk] [OMT] 17:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- @The ed17: It might insinuate that he competed at the Olympics at the age of fifteen, which he did not... + teenage and fifteen in the same sentence is a bit redundant. I think we should stick with the other hook or formulate another one, what do you think? Arconning (talk) 17:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Your call. Thinking about it a bit more, I'm not super worried about a partial repetition of something that ran months ago. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:45, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @The end17: Alrighty then, I'll be okay with it. Arconning (talk) 07:18, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Your call. Thinking about it a bit more, I'm not super worried about a partial repetition of something that ran months ago. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:45, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @The ed17: It might insinuate that he competed at the Olympics at the age of fifteen, which he did not... + teenage and fifteen in the same sentence is a bit redundant. I think we should stick with the other hook or formulate another one, what do you think? Arconning (talk) 17:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Arconning: I see. Maybe that could be shortened to "... that teenage sprinter and Olympian Kenaz Kaniwete made his international debut at the age of fifteen?" Ed [talk] [OMT] 17:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- @The ed17: Would it be better if its hook would be "... that sprinter Kenaz Kaniwete made his international debut at the age of fifteen, a year prior to competing at the 2024 Summer Olympics?" I wouldn't go for the youngest athletics competitor at the Games as it'd feel like a re-run of the hook used for Template:Did you know nominations/Kiribati at the 2024 Summer Olympics.
Articles created/expanded on June 17
[edit]Dick Mize
- ... that Olympian Dick Mize designed multiple cross-country skiing trails in Anchorage over a forty-year period?
- Source: [21]
Arconning (talk) 14:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
Ben Franklin (song)
- ... that the title of "Ben Franklin" was inspired by an internet meme?
- ALT1: ... that Ben Franklin mentioned a 45-day stint in rehab? Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/snail-mail-valentine-interview-1244841
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoons in Taiwan
- Comment: The first hook is a more traditional one, the second is a more comedic one intended for WP:DYKAPRIL. ALT1 is my personal preference of the two.
Leafy46 (talk) 20:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
Royal 10
- ... that a Royal 10 used in the music video for "Fortnight" caused an interest in typewriters among Swifties?
- Source: Bloch, Emily (April 23, 2024). "An Easter egg in Swift video, or is it the typewriter's design?". The Philadelphia Inquirer. p. B6. Retrieved January 2, 2025.
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 16:42, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
Canons Regular of St. John Cantius
- ... that the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius were the first men's religious community established in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago?
- Source: Pronechen, Joseph (April 20, 2015). "Canons Regular Salute Cardinal George". National Catholic Register. Retrieved April 3, 2025.
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 15:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 18
[edit]Seal Island, Anguilla
- ... that although Seal Island attracts tourists due to its reef, transport to the island is hard due to its reef?
Arconning (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC).
Ben Lashes
- ... that Ben Lashes is a talent manager for cat memes?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vatican Taekwondo
- Comment: This page ran on DYK in 2013 and was deleted in 2015 because it did not pass GNG at the time. Since I have remade the page ten years later and made it pass GNG, I think this counts as a new nomination. I am open to alt hooks if anyone can think of one they like better.
ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 11:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC).
The hook itself is quite nice, article seems to be in good shape. Hook is cited in the body... All good here. Arconning (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
François-Edmond Fortier
- ... that François-Edmond Fortier published over 3,300 postcards of French West Africa (example pictured) between 1901 and 1920? Source: Ref 3: Geary, Christraud M. (2018). "Between 1901 and 1912 he issued more 3.300 original postcards, which he reproduced in different editions until 1920..
- ALT1: ... that in the early 1900s François-Edmond Fortier published many postcards with eroticized depictions of African women? Source: Ref Ref 3: Geary, Christraud M. (2018). "Included among his cards are many exotic or erotic pictures of "colonized" women..."
- ALT2: ... that Pablo Picasso owned 40 photographs by François-Edmond Fortier that may have influenced his painting Les Demoiselles d'Avignon? Source: Hirsch, Robert (8 February 2024). Seizing the Light: A Social & Aesthetic History of Photography. Taylor & Francis. p. 255. ISBN 978-1-000-90432-1.
- ALT3: ... that a photograph by François-Edmond Fortier (pictured) has become an iconic image of African resistance against colonial rule? Source: Bertho, Elara (1 June 2018). "Photographies de Samori Touré : de la carte postale coloniale aux pochettes de vinyles". Cahiers d'études africaines (in French) (230): 301–322. doi:10.4000/etudesafricaines.22087. ISSN 0008-0055. Translation: Photographs of Samori Touré: From the Colonial Postcard to Record Covers. Circulations of an Iconic Picture
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vorlesungen über die Entwicklung der Mathematik im 19. Jahrhundert
- Comment: The picture of the Fula woman is only meant for ALT0. In case we use ALT3, another image is appropriate: File:Samory-Dioula Soudanais (AOF).jpg
Munfarid1 (talk) 08:34, 19 June 2025 (UTC).
Redhill MRT station
- ... that Redhill station features pink walls?
- ALT1: ... that despite being called "Redhill", a train station in Singapore features pink walls? Source: https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/page/straitstimes19880310-1.1.20
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mackenzie Hall
Icepinner (formerly Imbluey2). Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 14:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
Tsunami sirens in New Zealand
- ... that New Zealand has a youth subculture of stealing tsunami sirens and competing for the loudest and clearest sound?
―Panamitsu (talk) 09:07, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
Death (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
- ... that the character of Death had already been cast for the Marvel Cinematic Universe when a culture website suggested she would never make an appearance?
- ALT1: ... that Death in the Marvel Cinematic Universe has created Infinity Stones and flowers?
- ALT2: ... that Death was described as a witch on a motorcycle?
- ALT3: ... that Death can speak Spanish?
- ALT4: ... that Aubrey Plaza spent months learning to play the drums before playing Death?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Kalyani
- Comment: Two hooks about the creation of the character - can probably come up with more 'serious' ones - and some more quirky hooks. Use whatever's needed in a set, and feel free to suggest more. (QPQ may appear used: there were three articles reviewed at that nom and this should be 3/3.) If we're still doing special occasion hooks, the show's one year anniversary would be September 18 - or, if using alt4, Plaza's birthday is June 26, though I appreciate that's only a week away.
Kingsif (talk) 03:56, 18 June 2025 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 19
[edit]Ipuk Fiestiandani
- ... that Ipuk Fiestiandani defeated her husband's former deputy to become regent of Banyuwangi, Indonesia, in 2020? Source: [25] deputy and wife; [26]: she won
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Michalina Mościcka
- Comment: -
Juxlos (talk) 12:44, 19 June 2025 (UTC).
Cui Daozhi
- ... that Cui Daozhi (pictured) is considered as the Chinese Sherlock Holmes?
- ALT1: ... that Cui Daozhi (pictured) is considered as the Chinese Sherlock Holmes due to his contributions to forensic investigation in China? Source: Honoring courage in the line of duty
- Reviewed: Will be done soon
Toadboy123 (talk) 07:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC).
Article is well formatted, hook is interesting. Hook is cited in the article on the end. All good. Arconning (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
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