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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Contents

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
September 20 2 2
September 21 1
September 25 1 1
September 26 1 1
September 27 2 1
September 28 1 1
September 29 1
September 30 1
October 1 2 1
October 3 6 3
October 4 1 1
October 5 1
October 6 2 1
October 7 3 2
October 8 5 4
October 10 7 5
October 11 5 4
October 12 5 3
October 13 3 1
October 14 4 2
October 15 10 7
October 16 5 4
October 17 3 3
October 18 4 3
October 19 3 1
October 20 5 4
October 21 8 5
October 22 8 6
October 23 4 4
October 24 6 6
October 25 7 7
October 26 7 6
October 27 13 9
October 28 6 5
October 29 10 7
October 30 9 8
October 31 14 9
November 1 10 8
November 2 13 8
November 3 9 6
November 4 11 6
November 5 12 7
November 6 12 6
November 7 12 5
November 8 7 6
November 9 4 1
November 10 6 5
November 11 5
November 12 4
November 13 1
Total 282 185
Last updated 01:04, 13 November 2019 UTC
Current time is 02:28, 13 November 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]

Backlogged?[edit]

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on September 21[edit]

Alois Ickstadt

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Today is his birthday ;)

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new, having been expanded fivefold only days prior to the nomination. It just about meets the minimum length criteria but it is impeccably sourced. I do not see any neutrality problems nor any close paraphrasing, as far as I can tell given the extent of my German skills. I am a bit concerned by the complexity of the hook. Is it not possible to propose a simpler one? QPQ is also missing. Surtsicna (talk) 10:30, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Alois Ickstadt developed a concept for educating choral singers from childhood to adulthood on vocal training and general music knowledge?
@LouisAlain, Gerda Arendt, and Surtsicna: Would did or something in this direction be suitable? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but can we also say that he was a professor for decades, or that he founded a children's choir and an adult choir for a leading broadcaster, - it was not just a concept but realized. I am more impressed by the conductong over decades than just a concept. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed now, A Voyage Round the World --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @LouisAlain, Gerda Arendt, Surtsicna, and Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for asking - I hope my ability to come up with hooks for others is better than for my own articles! Taking Gerda's words in her last comment, this seems to me to convey the same information while sounding smoother than the original hook. It's quite long, but does convey his achievements, I think:
ALT2: ... that Alois Ickstadt, professor of music pedagogy in Frankfurt, founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both from 1966 to 2011? (194 characters)
RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:49, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
It's a lot easier to read and conveys the message better, but at 194 characters, I feel it might not meet the discretionary limit (i.e. the point where even below 200 characters, reviewers may find it too long). Perhaps if there was a way to make it more concise it would work better. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Could we leave out the "professor of music pedagogy in Frankfurt"? That's what he was, one of many over time, I imagine. Founding and conducting the choirs is his unique achievement.
ALT2a: ... that Alois Ickstadt founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both from 1966 to 2011? (151 characters)
Or, I would be tempted to say how long, rather than give the exact years (saves doing the maths!):
ALT2b: ... that Alois Ickstadt founded a children's choir and an adult choir for the public broadcaster Hessischer Rundfunk, and conducted both for forty-five years? (154 characters)
RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
We can leave out the professor, - I just thought it was a short way to hint at the pedagogical concept behind the 2 choirs. But as you wish. He conducted the children's choir for 50 years because he founded it sooner, but I wouldn't know how to say that without loosing conciseness. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: This DYK nomination has some alternate hooks now - would you like to complete the review, or should we ask for a new reviewer? RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As it's been over a week since I pinged the original reviewer, it seems reasonable to open this to other editors to review ALT2, ALT2a and ALT2b. I have struck ALT0 (too complex) and ALT1 (the nominator did not agree). RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 27[edit]

Symphony No. 1 (Kalinnikov), Vasily Kalinnikov

Moved to mainspace by GeneralPoxter (talk). Self-nominated at 00:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Obviously, only the article on the 1st symphony can be reviewed, the article on the composer himself is definitely not recent enough. That article on the 1st symphony is well sourced and written without noticeable mistakes, at least in my eyes. The hook is alright as well. However, the problem with the article is that it was created on 27 September but only nominated today! This contravenes Eligibility criteria a: "For DYK purposes, a "new" article is no more than seven days old, and may not consist of text spun off from a pre-existing article.", and thus this nomination must, sadly, be rejected. Edelseider (talk) 11:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg @Edelseider: It appears that this was the nominator's first nomination and may not have been familiar with the requirement. Would it be fine to grant a one-time IAR exception for this case, or is it just too late? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:11, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I think that it is really too late now, especially since the nominator himself didn't object. But feel free to ask for a second opinion on the matter. All the best, Edelseider (talk) 06:42, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
I left the nominator another talk page message inviting them to comment here again. If they still wish to pursue the nomination, I can start a discussion on DYK for the date requirement to be waived. But if they are fine with this being closed, then the nomination can be closed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:03, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I did not know that the articles nominated for DYK had to be at most 7 days old. I would certainly appreciate an IAR exception. GeneralPoxter (talk) 18:22, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
This one was brought up at WT:DYK, and it looks like IAR is fine in this case. A word of advice here is that you can only nominate articles that you have worked up to the criteria yourself, so Symphony No. 1 is fine, but not the other one. You can include regular links to articles that don't meet the criteria, so I've made some changes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 16:12, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg There appears to be consensus to give the nominator a one-time exemption from the newness requirement. Nomination is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:11, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Everything is fine as stated above (minus the delay problem that has been dealt with), except that any article on a particular piece of music should include a discography (a list of available recordings). Please add a discography, and then, all will be fine! Edelseider (talk) 13:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Vasily Kalinnikov composed his Symphony No. 1 in Yalta, where he recovered from tuberculosis?
because I understand he caught the desease before moving there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
He didn't recover from tuberculosis, he unfortunately succumbed to the disease. GeneralPoxter (talk) 01:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

KEYZ

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 23:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg - 5 times expansion from 76 words to 421 words is good. Age is fine. Inline reference for hook checks good. No copyvio or plagiarism concerns. Earwig reads violation unlikely at 2.0%. Reliable sources are used. Hook is interesting and short enough. QPQ is done. Article looks Good to Go. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: I see you had issues confirming the hook. I'm going to work on getting an alternate hook in place for this article as a result; it might require me to find one. Raymie (tc) 03:40, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
It seems it wasn't at all unusual for radio stations to have their own aircraft to fly around. The article does mention however that "it was the only station in North Dakota to own its own aircraft in 1960", which might make the basis for a viable hook, however I was unable to confirm that fact from the provided source. Gatoclass (talk) 10:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gatoclass: It's the only one in the table—that's the basis for that claim, which I've fashioned into a hook. Raymie (tc) 17:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that KEYZ was the only broadcast station in North Dakota to own its own aircraft, a Beechcraft Bonanza, in 1960?
Speaking as someone who is not well-versed in this topic, a radio station having or owning an aircraft does sound interesting, regardless on how common it was during that time period. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Kathrin Göring

  • ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's extramarital daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, with dramatic intensity? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  • What's an "extramarital daughter"? Do you mean a daughter born out of wedlock? Yoninah (talk) 23:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • sometimes English is really poor, - is there no one-word phrase for the child a man has from a woman who is not his wife? I found it kind of quirky, but it it can't be put elegantly we perhaps drop it and just mention the characters' names? - As the two appear in the same Die Walküre, the singer appeared for the curtain call in her valkyrie outfit, but then was given her goddess fur coat, - can you word that, perhaps? She was Fricka only in Das Rheingold and Waltraute only in Götterdämmerung. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
A single, reasonably neutral word for "born out of wedlock" is illegitimate. You could say "Wotan's wife and illegitimate daughter" and it would be clear. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Learning, thank you!
ALT1: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's illegitimate daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Yes, ALT1 is a better hook. Here is a full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing as sources are foreign-language. However, the hook fact about Wotan doesn't appear in the article, nor the part about Waltraute being illegitimate. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 11:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I tried to make it more interesting for our general public, and a bit quirky, but really would not like to open the can of worms to explain the relationship of operatic characters in singers' articles. There's a roles list in every decent opera article which has such things. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
In this case Die Walküre. Sigh, for Brünnhilde, it says that the mother is Erda, but the mother of the other valkyries is not Fricka. Anyway, this may be too complex to be used.
ALT2: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and the valkyrie Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I think ALT2 is interesting, especially with that unusual word "valkyries". But again, none of this is mentioned in the article. Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
... because it's the same can of worms. In a article about an actor playing Romeo, would you request an explanation and ref for Juliette being his beloved?
ALT2: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Fricka and the Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, which appear both in Die Walküre? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

HMS Sceptre (P215)

HMS Sceptre underway
HMS Sceptre underway
  • Reviewed: Wei Jinshan
  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination since ages, please forgive me if I've done something wrong

Improved to Good Article status by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 02:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg GA icon received within 7 days of nomination. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online sources. The hooks are interesting but the phrases tasked with attacking well guarded, high value targets don't appear in the article; they seem to be assumed. You could either add this wording with a reference, or just say tasked with attacking German battleships off Norway or something else. Image is freely-licensed; images in article are fair use and freely-licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 19:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Sure. My source doesn't specifically say that the German battleships were highly guarded (of course they were, but it may be kind of original research), so I've just altered the hook. L293D ( • ) 01:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. Since I proposed the hook wording, I'll leave it to another editor to sign off on this. Yoninah (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, no, because the target seems to have been a floating dry dock rather than a battleship. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Apologies for the delay, ALT3 proposed. Any hook suggestions are welcome. L293D ( • ) 17:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Its still not completely accurate. I suggest:

Articles created/expanded on October 5[edit]

MJ Lee

Created by Trillfendi (talk). Self-nominated at 01:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article created 5 October 2019 at 00:13 UTC, so it is new enough. Both hook lengths, per JavaScript character counter are less than 200 characters, which is good. Both proposed hooks are interesting and cited inline, and the article as a whole uses properly formatted incline citations. The article passes an Earwig copyvio check. Lede and body of the article yields a total above 1500 characters, again per the JavaScript character counter. QPQ completed, no image to review. wrt hook choice, ALT0, as ALT1 could be considered negative for a BLP. Vycl1994 (talk) 19:01, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep and nominated for deletion. I promoted this although the references weren't fully formatted. Today I formatted them, and noticed that they are all primary sources or organizations that the subject worked for. I am unable to find secondary sources, and so have nominated it at AFD. Yoninah (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

Home (Basshunter song)

  • ... that the idea for the 2019 Basshunter's "Home" originated during Powerhouse's yearly song writing camp held in Dubai?

Created by Eurohunter (talk). Self-nominated at 21:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

I may be unavailable in the coming days or week. All applications will be processed as soon as possible. Eurohunter (talk) 21:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article itself is expanded 5x recently and long enough. There's problems with citing, specifically that the source provided for the hook is a Youtube video and not a more reliable source. Also, the Deezer page doesn't actually mention the information that you say it does. Lastly, the hook itself would arguably not be interesting to a broad audience: Linnea Deb isn't especially notable in this context. Feel free to ping me after you give it some more work.   Ganbaruby!  (talk to me) 00:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Ganbaruby: Thank you for fast look at the thing. I would like to say that it's common mistake saying that any YouTube material is not reliable. Cited materials are published by labels/artist itself and there is even verified badge on these channels (otherwise I would provide way to weirfy that account is official). Deezer is only used for release date and labels so which information is not mentioned on Deezer? Linnea Deb is commom Swedish singer and songwritter so I thought it will be enough. Come back to broad audience unfortunatelly even Basshunter may not meet the criteria in some context. Eurohunter (talk) 19:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
      • @Eurohunter: Let me explain myself a little further. The problem with citing is primarily because you used a self published source as the only source for your hook statement. This is a problem because it could violate the second guideline about self-published sources ("does not involve claims about third parties"). The DYK guidelines specifically say to use reliable sources in the hook statement, so it would be preferable if you found a secondary source about the claim. Upon closer inspection I see why you added 5 Deezer citations, so that's ok, even if it's a bit of overkill. My biggest concern is still with the hook itself, however, since it's not particularly hooky. You might want to refer to the DYK guidelines to see how you can come up with a better hook.   Ganbaruby!  (talk to me) 00:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
          • @Ganbaruby: It's very basic fact, we often take credits directly from the release (here you have even direct link to it instead of just raw release citation in template AV media cite). AV media cite is even allowed in featured articles. Eurohunter (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I just took a quick look at the article and I would have to agree that the hook is not interesting to those who are unfamiliar with Swedish music. I also noticed that the grammar needs to be fixed in the article. In any case, the article needs much work before this can be featured on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
As for a new hook, here are some possible suggestion: perhaps more reviews could be found for the single, or perhaps information about the writing and influences used for the song could be found? Try not to limit yourself to a Swedish audience as the hook is supposed to interest readers who may not be familiar with the artist or the genre. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: What do you mean by "writing and influences used for the song"? Eurohunter (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Basically, if more information about how the song was made and what were the influences that the artist had in making the song could be found, that would be really helpful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:45, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: So I have added information about that idea was orginating from during Powerhouse's yearly song writing camp held in Dubai. Eurohunter (talk) 20:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Eurohunter I am not sure exactly what Narutolovehinata5 was thinking of, but I just read the article, and now I wonder what the song is about. The title is Home, yes, but what does the songwriter say about home? We don't need the whole lyrics, but I would like to know more about its ideas, feelings, what it expresses .... Was it relevant that they were away from home when they wrote it? RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
I was asking Eurohunter if there was any information available about the themes and influences that were used in making the song, in the hope that perhaps a hook could have been proposed based on that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Similar to my questions, I think. I think the article would benefit from having that kind of information included, and perhaps a hook could be based on it too. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
@RebeccaGreen: @Narutolovehinata5: Unfortunatelly "The idea for the song originated during Powerhouse's yearly song writing camp held in Dubai" is the only avaiable information right now. Eurohunter (talk) 19:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Ganbaruby and RebeccaGreen: Per the above comment, can this nomination still move forward? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:35, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: Sorry, but in my opinion, that hook still isn't interesting to a broad audience. Many songs are made at writing camps or similar events, and the fact that it was at Dubai isn't particularly special either.   Ganbaruby!  (talk to me) 22:11, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg It appears that no suitable hook can be proposed at this time and no more "hooky" information could be found in sources; as such, the nomination is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Sorry that things didn't turn out the way you hoped, hopefully you will have more success in your future nominations. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
That sounds fine, though I'd like to hear what the others think about it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Feminist: Good proposal, I didn't think about it. Eurohunter (talk) 18:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New review needed to check ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 7[edit]

Broe helmet

The Vendel XIV helmet
The Vendel XIV helmet
  • ... that the fragmentary Broe helmet shares similarities with the Vendel XIV helmet (pictured)? Source: Tweddle 1992: There are a number of relevant passages, including "The parallels between the Coppergate helmet on the one hand and the Vendel XIV and Bro[e] helmets on the other, therefore, include the use of cheek-pieces, the method of construction of the cap, the use of a small flat crest terminating in an animal head at the front, and the occurrence of hatched eyebrows ending in animal heads"
  • Reviewed: Elizabeth Fee
  • Comment: If there's any interest in using the image of the Broe helmet itself, it will enter the public domain in January.

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC).


Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg When you say "the image of the Broe helmet itself," do you mean the illustration found in the infobox? I'm not clear on why that would enter the public domain next year—but, if so, it seems like it could be worth waiting for. It would be nice to be able to make a side-by-side comparison—not to mention, to have a free image of the subject itself. Otherwise, the hook meets all the criteria and doesn't seem to have any issues. We could hold out two and a half months for a slightly more compelling image, but I think it could also run as is. —BLZ · talk 23:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: Any thoughts on the image? I don't wanna leave this hanging since it's essentially good to go, just curious about your comment re the image of the Broe helmet. —BLZ · talk 07:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the reminder, Narutolovehinata5. On reconsideration, I'm not sure that the case for the public domain in January is so clear cut. The 50-year length seems to apply predominantly to photographs, whereas this image is a sketch (albeit one intended to be photographic in its quality). At any rate, there are some extremely talented people at the illustration workshop, and I have asked for one to make a similar, but free, version. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Usernameunique: I've pitched an illustration at Commons with a draft, but it needs some input to ensure accuracy. —BLZ · talk 21:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Just in case the Broe helmet image does not work out, would either of you be fine with just the Vendel image being used? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I'd be OK with that. I've thought the hook has been ready to run as is from the start, just wanted to give some time to discuss possibilities for a better image as a courtesy. But if timing presses this forward I think the current image is OK too. —BLZ · talk 21:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]

Lin Mei-hong, Gian Carlo Michelini

  • ... that Lin Mei-hong was a member of the Lanyang Dance Troupe founded by Gian Carlo Michelini and later worked with the troupe as a choreographer? Source: "... Lin Mei-hong—one of the returnees from Europe and currently one of his top choreographers. Now 30, Lin has maintained her close connection with Lan Yang for two decades. She was a troupe member for 10 years, beginning when she was only 10 years old." (Young Amateurs With A Mission)

Created by Vycl1994 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:25, 8 October 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Reviewing her for now. Interesting life, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. Hook: I don't know any of the names, sorry, but know Pina Bausch. As much of her career was in Germany, how about saying something about that. Mention Taiwan also, perhaps? I'd also suggest you use some pronoun establishing that it's a woman, - how would we know? Perhaps Gian Carlo Michelini would be better served by a hook of his own? He certainly needs more lead, - just reading priest, I thought I landed at the wrong article. - Her article: I'd write a bit more summary to begin. I wonder about mentioning authors for the works she adapted, such as: Carl Orff's Carmina burana, or do people have to know who wrote Bernarda Alba? How do you feel about an infobox? - I may look at him later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
With a bit more time, now about him: Interesting life on good sources, Japanese source accepted AGF. I really believe he should have a hook of his own, with such an unusual life, priest and dance troupe founder ;) - Think about it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I'm glad this nomination caught your eye, and thank you for locating German wikilinks. I've expanded the lede (with infobox) for both articles, and mentioned the titles of notable works produced by Lin in the article and lede about her. I prefer to keep things concise. If readers wish to know who contributed to the original works, wikilinks are provided.
Regarding a separate hook for Michelini: I suppose that his dual citizenship status is interesting, but it would require knowledge of Taiwanese nationality law, and it is difficult to set up the necessary prior context without making the hook wordy. The first Italian tour of his Lanyang Dance Troupe is also interesting, but that fact is about his troupe, not Michelini himself. This is why I opted to combine hooks for Lin and Michelini. Emphasizing an article's subject's links to Taiwan is much easier for me, as I don't often write about arts. My other arts-related contributions, Lo Man-fei and Allen Yu, both have a Taiwan connection. If an arts hook has potential, please point me in that direction with further discussion. Thanks again for the review. Vycl1994 (talk) 16:42, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Understand, so I approve it as it is, with thanks for your changes to the articles. If you change your mind - an Italian priest founding a dance troupe in Taiwan seems unusual enough - we'll find a way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Lin Mei-hong attended the first classes held by the Lanyang Dance Troupe, founded in Taiwan by the Italian priest Gian Carlo Michelini? source: "Young Amateurs with a Mission", quote: "Fr. Michelini points.at a picture on the wall of the first Lan Yang class. He indicates a little girl named Lin Mei-hong—one of the returnees from Europe and currently one of his top choreographers."
@Gerda Arendt: I hate making more work for you, but some time off of this nomination has allowed me to look at it a more open mind. As a result, I've come up with another hook. If you are willing to do so, please consider ALT1 above. Vycl1994 (talk) 03:14, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svgSymbol voting keep.svg Thank you, that's great, and preferred. Still missing the German revolutionary dance, but we should keep hooks shhort ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Pulling from prep per a discussion at WT:DYK. A new hook or a rewording of ALT1 may need to be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:54, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • To help this move along, below is a suggestion on a possible direction (can be changed, or a new proposal could be considered instead)
ALT2 ... that the Italian priest Gian Carlo Michelini founded a dance troupe in Taiwan, with Lin Mei-hong being among its first members?
With that said, I'm not really sure if the mention of Lin is necessary at this point, and I'm slightly leaning towards a separate hook for Lin instead. With Michelini, if the citizenship thing mentioned above can't be used, we could always focus on him being Italian and a priest but being the founder of a dance troupe in Taiwan. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • A possibility for a combined hook still:
ALT3 ... that, aged ten, choreographer Lin Mei-hong joined a dance troupe in Taiwan founded by the Italian priest Gian Carlo Michelini?
Or, possible separate hooks:
ALT4 ... that the Italian priest Gian Carlo Michelini founded a dance troupe in Taiwan?
ALT5 ... that Taiwanese choreographer Lin Mei-hong has received the German Artist of the Year Award?
RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
I think ALT4 and ALT5 have potential, but I'd like to ask first Vycl1994 if they would be fine with separate hooks for Michelini and Lin. Otherwise, ALT3 is a good option too. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:05, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
@RebeccaGreen and Narutolovehinata5: Much thanks for your efforts on this nomination. Both solo hooks sound good, and remain true to the sources, (ALT4, [(ALT5 but I still favor the combined ALT3. Vycl1994 (talk) 17:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to spoil the fun, but at age ten, she was no choreographer (ALT3), and the award should be linked (ALT5). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Gerda's statement is also fair and accurate, so I propose: Standalone ALT 4 for Michelini. Regarding Lin: The Artist of the Year Award article does not seem to exist and therefore cannot be linked. Therefore:

I'm slightly sad to give up on the combined hook, but perhaps it's the way forward. Vycl1994 (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 11[edit]

Elizabeth Fee

Dr. Elizabeth Fee
Dr. Elizabeth Fee

Created by Zeromonk (talk). Self-nominated at 21:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Zeromonk, what is the source for Fee writing about the history of the toothbrush? I see the CUNY article talks about her "popularizing the toothbrush", but not its history per se. Perhaps finding the article and linking to it would help? --Usernameunique (talk) 23:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius and Usernameunique: thanks for that - also mentioned here: https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2019.305065 - Fee’s “chapters cover topics as diverse as diverse as bioterrorism, “sin versus science” in the racialized treatment of syphilis in Baltimore, and popularizing the toothbrush, ever posing the question of whether there is anything to learn from history and speaking to both specialists and a broad public of all ages.” The sentence is a bit clunky but those are all topics in history that she researched and wrote about. Zeromonk (talk) 06:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 12[edit]

The Cedars School

An 18th century Grade II listed building, now occupied by the school.
An 18th century Grade II listed building, now occupied by the school.
  • Comment: Not sure if this is worthy of a DYK nomination but thought I'd give it a go and see. Maybe in the country should be England? Not sure if the image should be used but it is an 18th century Grade II listed building that was acquired by its trust and now occupied by the school. Some history on it in the article.

Created by Steven (Editor) (talk). Self-nominated at 02:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Good job! New and long enough, within policy, Earwid detects no copyvios, no QPQ needed. You do need to specify the country, and be careful about whether it's England or the United Kingdom. You may want to explicitly state in the article that the school is not directly run by Opus Dei as this source states; though the current wording is correct, it's easy to miss that nuance. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 08:00, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
    • Hi Antony-22, thanks for reviewing this. The first source says "in Britain" and the second one says "in the country" - both sources cover the UK and worldwide. I can't find any other senior schools that have the same ethos in the other constituent countries. Yeah I was debating with myself if I should add that but for some reason ended up not adding it - I wonder if it's because I added the trust to the Oversight parameter of the infobox, ah I don't know. Anyway, you're right and I've added it to the article -thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:12, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
  •  Comment: There's no way the hook can run without specifying WHICH COUNTRY! For heaven's sake. Johnbod (talk) 22:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
    Johnbod, your comment doesn't help, of course it can't run without specifying which country! I'm still looking but I'm heading more towards England which is where the school is located in... Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage

5x expanded by DBigXray (talk). Self-nominated at 11:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @DBigXray: If the AfD closes, this will be very close to ready. The expansion is large enough and new enough, and a QPQ is present. I advise against ALT1 because the topic isn't very well known outside India. The Firstpost source for the hook is OK and backs the hook claims but a bit thin of an article. I have done some copyediting myself. The following is a list of specific article issues that need resolution:
  • There is a [better source needed] (lede paragraph 3) and a [clarification needed] ("Charts", sentence 1) in this article.
  • The sentence beginning "The music producer is" lacks an inline citation, which is needed as it is the last sentence of the paragraph.
Credit to you, this is a very good revamp, but the AfD must close "keep" for this to be worthy of consideration. Raymie (tc) 03:57, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT0 goes against the WP:DYKHOOK rule of "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way.". For ALT1; Kapoor was clean shaven in at least the 2010 film Milenge Milenge; pics here. We cant have false facts as hook.
Why don't you suggest a hook on how the song is among the most viewed Youtube video? Oh wait; that's false too.
Then why dont you make a hook on how its been on charts? Oh wait; those aren't credible enough to back with WP:RS and WP:CHARTS.
Why dont you just give opinion like lets say xyz non-notable blogwriter considers the songs to very notable? Wait again; that's not what hooks are for. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • This song isn't about Shahid Kapoor it is about Kabir Singh. The hook sounds like Kapoor literally turned alcoholic and broke up with his wife. In the article it says "Shahid Kapoor is shown as trying to move on in his life but he was unable to forget the memories of his love Preeti" we should not mention his name rather change it to his stage name Kabir. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 19:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The concerns above make me very worried indeed. (If it doesn't show, this isn't my topic area.) They call into question the suitability of ALT0 and the accuracy of ALT1 (and its source). @Dharmadhyaksha and CAPTAIN MEDUSA: is there more information that might be useful to me, or any suggestions to be made of the nominator? Raymie (tc) 22:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • There are multiple issues with this article including The song was reported as topping the music charts in July 2019 and was one of the top ten viewed songs of the world on YouTube. however the source says the song got 20 million views within 24 hours. Kiara Advani plays the role of Preeti or Preety. The second paragraph on Music Video says Kiara Advani who played the role of Preety, Kabir's love interest then later in the sentence it says after getting separated from Preeti. The article title is not in italic however name in the article is italic but infobox is not.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The AFD has now closed as keep. @Dharmadhyaksha: can you propose a new hook since ALT0 has BLP issues and ALT1's accuracy has come into doubt? Raymie (tc) 17:37, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Also pinging the original nominator DBigXray. Raymie (tc) 21:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I suggest you familiarize yourself with the DYK process before !voting "oppose" or "strong oppose" on yet another DYK nomination. Dee03 15:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Dee03, may-be the volume of my net contributions (which is about five times that of your's) or my net contributions in DYK-space or a comparison of our number of GAs, will let you know about my familiarity? Or, may-be, you need to know about how fly-by people express their discontent over this domain, when they are not the primary reviewer? That being said, I admire your battleground-attitude. Ta, WBGconverse 15:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have no interest in comparing my contributions with you. I have a life outside Wikipedia, a busy one at that. I suggest you strike off the "battleground attitude" remark unless you explain how I displayed "battleground attitude". Dee03 15:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Figures. Dee03 15:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg In a bid to get this nomination back in line and because a quality hook seems to be the missing ingredient, I'm proposing an ALT2 and asking for a real, serious DYK review. I would also like to ask DBigXray about something I noticed: the "Reception" quotes from India Today and The Statesman are awfully close to each other (offbeat, sad-romantic). What's going on there? Raymie (tc) 17:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that while critics praised Arijit Singh's voice in "Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage", the song's lyrics received a mixed reaction? Raymie (tc) 17:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
IMHO both "offbeat" and "sad romantic" are over used cliche words in Indian media. both are seperate media houses and I would consider it a coincidence. Thanks for the ALT, I had been busy with the AfD, followed by Diwali celebration. DBigXray 17:57, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: Happy Diwali! To incorporate this into one discussion, Xray had DiplomatTesterMan suggest some alternate hooks, which I've reproduced here with light copyediting (numbers changed to accommodate my ALT2):
I'm not a fan of ALT4 as the name is not familiar to people outside of India (myself included). ALT3/3a isn't bad, and neither is ALT5. ALT6 seems subjective in the "did well" and has an odd pairing, but the News18 source reveals an ALT7 I really like and that won't have fictional universe problems: Raymie (tc) 18:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes, in terms of the fictional universe problem, ALT 7 is one of the cleanest. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:29, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A full review is still needed here as it has been several weeks since the last comments. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 13[edit]

Tell Qudadi

  • ... that a recent study showed that the ruins of Tell Qudadi in Tel Aviv, which was believed to have been an Israelite fortress razed by the Assyrians some 2700 years ago, was actually built by the Assyrians themselves?
    • ALT1:... that almost 20 years before it was discovered as the site of a 2700-year-old fortress, the ancient site of Tell Qudadi in Tel Aviv was a military stronghold during the battles between the Ottoman and the British during World War I?
    • ATL2:... that a recent study showed the ruins of Tell Qudadi in Tel Aviv, once believed to be an Israelite fortress razed by the Assyrians was actually an Assyrian fortress built 2,700 years ago?
    • ATL3:... that the site of a 2,700 year old fortress in Tel Aviv was used as a military stronghold during World War I, nearly 20 years prior to its discovery?

5x expanded by Bolter21 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Both the hooks are too long, 200 characters are allowed and they are 215 and 230 characters long. Also, although the article is well referenced, DYK demands a citation for any hook fact at the end of the sentence involved, not just at the end of the paragraph. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Alright, I've created two new hooks and now I personally prefer ATL3. Can you please explain again what exactly do you wish I'll do with the citation? I can provide a citation for the hook, but I understood from what you wrote that you want to me cite the specific sentence in the article, which I don't remember being an obligation for DYK, so I am confused.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:01, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Bolter21: each hook fact has to be supported by an inline cite in the article. Please make sure there is a citation at the end of each of the sentences supporting these hook facts for ALT3:
  1. It is a 2,700-year-old fortress
  2. It is in Tel Aviv
  3. It was used as a military stronghold during WWI nearly 20 years before its discovery
  • Well, there are sources for these, it is just that facts are written slightly different in the article. Not a single paragraph stands without an inline cite, with the exception of the lead section which contains information that already appears in the rest of the article. It is indeed a 2,700-year-old fortress since it was erected in the 8th century BCE and it is in Tel Aviv, I literally stood on the ruins a week ago. It is most supported simply by the title of one of the citations: "Archaeologists Solve Mystery of 2,700-year-old Fortress in Tel Aviv". As for the third point you raised, it is written in the same source: "Although the Turkish army actually used the ancient mound as a stronghold against Allied forces in 1917, the site was only recognized as an antiquities site in 1934, when the remains of the fort were discovered by J. Ory of the Department of Antiquities of the Mandatory Government of Palestine." Which means, there is a gap of 17 years before a military stronghold was discovered as a 2,600-year-old military stronghold (adjusted that same time period).
Shall I rephrase the article to match the hook? I'll be honest with you I've made several DYKs in the past and maybe it is my English but I really fail to see the problem here.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 07:31, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
What Yoninah is trying to say is that the sentences in the article that mention the facts used in the hook(s) must have at least one inline citation after that sentence. For the purposes of DYK, it is not sufficient even if the footnote supporting the fact is located elsewhere in the paragraph or at its end; for DYK purpose, the actual sentence is required to have the inline citation (i.e. the footnote). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:00, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
What I am trying to say is that there is a footnote for each of the sentences.-Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Der Ring in Minden

  • Reviewed: Grigory Grigoryevich Skornyakov-Pisarev
  • Comment: I'm not done with the article, but have to nominate the Minden Miracle which was named "possibly where you experience Wagner best" and other such praise.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is suitably licensed, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Kindly copy the discussion here, or at least the hooks from the discusions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Btw, the ping didn't work, but I check my watchlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Also, when you say "to prep", do you mean "from prep"? And did you return it to the nom page, for people to se it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
WT:DYK discussion
@Gerda Arendt:@Cwmhiraeth:@Gatoclass:
On the face of it, this is not interesting to me or a broad readership. I see that the piped link at the end was changed from "a symphony orchestra" for some reason. I think this hook needs rewording to explain why this is so unique. Yoninah (talk) 21:07, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how to say it short. It's unique that it is a symphony orchestra, an orchestra which doesn't usually perform opera. The link should not have been changed, - the name of the orchestra is too long, imho, also wouldn't tell the reader the difference. What else is not interesting: that the singers play in front? where you see face expression, and understand every word, while they usually play behind a large orchestra, far away, and you need subtitles to know what they sing? Better wording always welcome, but it's highly unusual, even unique until others will imitate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes. Like:
ALT1: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, a project to present Wagner's Ring Cycle on a small stage, the singers performed in front of, rather than behind, the symphony orchestra? Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the offer, but it needs change to reflect that "rather than behind" is sort of wrong, because usually the orchestra is placed in the orchestra pit, not visible to the audience sitting on the same level (only from the balconies), but yes, usually there's a big distance between the first row of the audience and the stage. Can we focus on the orchestra on stage? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Of course we could simply say that critics praise the Minden miracle (das Wunder von Minden) and similar phrases, but I tried factually to say what makes this miracle. One critic summarizes: "Minden in Ostwestfalen hat das Unmögliche möglich gemacht und auf einer minimalen Bühne in einer hochkarätigen Besetzung einen Ring auf die Bühne gestellt, der den Vergleich mit den großen Bühnen des Landes keineswegs zu scheuen braucht." (Minden in Ostwestfalen has made the impossible possible and put a ring on stage with a top-class cast on a minimal stage that doesn't have to shy away from comparison with the big stages of the country. - machine translation) - Would "made the impossible possible" be useful for a hook? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Taking a look at the article, I think there's potential for a hook based on the part that goes The singers acted in front of the orchestra, making an intimate approach to the dramatic situations possible.; however, that part only seems to be mentioned in the lede; if that could be elaborated on in the "Stage and team" section (with a reference), I think that would make for a good hook. Another possibility would be to elaborate on Yoninah's point about the singers performing in front of the orchestra; apparently it was because of how small the stage was for a Wagner operatic production. Perhaps a hook based on that could work, meaning a hook that goes something like "the singers performed in front of the orchestra because the stage was too small compared to typical Wagner performances"? Having been to a number of plays myself though, I'm not sure how common such an arrangement is, as I've been to a number of plays where the orchestra is also behind or below the performers. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the offers. The lead sentence is a summary of things later, and the psychology thing has been said in the hook for the director, so would be a repetition. - We can't say the stage is too small, because it's the orchestra pit which, as the FAZ critic remarked, is too small to hold a Baroque orchestra (so it was covered, extending the stage). I think we have too little room in the hook to say what is not, - better say what is. I haven't seen all singers in front of the orchestra in my life until I went to Minden, first in 2012. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

The reason I changed the hook from "a symphony orchestra" to "the orchestra" was because I assumed the unusual or "hooky" part was intended to be that the singers performed in front of the orchestra, which is a pretty unusual arrangement (certainly, I've never seen it), and the phrase "a symphony orchestra" detracted from that because it suggested that it's unusual for opera singers to perform with a symphony orchestra. So far as I was aware, opera is always performed with a symphony orchestra - but perhaps that is not the case? Regardless, it wasn't the least bit hooky for anybody who isn't aware of that particular piece of esoterica.

If it's both unusual for opera singers to perform in front of the orchestra, and to perform with a full symphony orchestra, then I think the hook would need a tweak to emphasize those points, but as that would probably prove difficult, then something along the lines of the ALTS suggested above should be adopted. Gatoclass (talk) 04:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I note that our own article on pit orchestras states that operas usually are backed with full size, ie symphony orchestras anyway, which is what I thought. Gatoclass (talk) 04:31, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I see your point, and yes, it's unusual for any orchestra to be on stage, and behind the singers. What kind of orchestra is performing opera depends mostly on what kind of opera it is, chamber opera with a chamber orchestra, Baroque opera often with an orchestra dedicated to historically informed performance, etc. I don't know how to say in a short way that an additional unusual thing about this project is that it was not an orchestra dedicated to opera, such as an orchestra from an opera house, but one dedicated to playing symphony concert, - "symphony orchestra" not only meaning their size but their program. Could I clarify? I also see ERRORS coming saying that piping orchestra to a specific one is an easter egg. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
I found the hook a draw, thinking "Isn't that just a concert staging?" [3]. I went off to read the article, which explains clearly. I would recommend leaving it as "orchestra". William Avery (talk) 10:34, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Would you have a way to stress that the acting on two levels (spiral staircase) with intense psychological detail was about the opposite of a concert performance? I just don't have the words in English and would need help. The stage was designed by someone who set the same works - which Wagner hated to be called operas - at the Bayreuth Festival, but he will have his hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

As for both questions, the answer is yes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:35, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, the problem to present Wagner's Ring Cycle on a small stage (theatre pictured) was solved by placing the orchestra in the back of the stage, behind the action? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
I think ALT2 has a lot of potential, but it may still need to be reworded a bit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:00, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, the drama of Wagner's Ring Cycle was played close to the audience, with the orchestra visible at the back of the stage (theatre pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I think we should emphasize that usually, the orchestra plays at the front, rather than at the back. ALT2 was a good start. How about this?
ALT4: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, Wagner's Ring Cycle was able to be played on a small stage (theatre pictured) [because/after] the orchestra was moved to the back of the stage rather than at the front?
Either "because" or "after" works here. Of course, ALT4 needs to be cleaned up as well. I will leave more comments when I'm off work. epicgenius (talk) 21:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Please compare the colllapsed discussion. "at the front" is sort of wrong, because usually the ochestra is in the pit, not visible at all to most in the the audience (only to those on balconies). I don't think it needs emphasis. Readers either know that, or won't care. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. Try this then? epicgenius (talk) 21:44, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, Wagner's Ring Cycle was able to be played on a small stage (theatre pictured) only because the orchestra was at the back of the stage?
Better, but I still think "drama" and "close to the audience" carry more meaning than orchestra position. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: OK. I'll try to come up with a few more hook suggestions, but if there's no consensus on the hook, then I'm afraid this nomination may have to be failed. epicgenius (talk) 22:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Did you know normally doesn't work by consensus, - instead: one reviewer approves a hook. You could approve ALT3, for example. I actually won't mind more time for this nom, because there are still red links I'd like to fill before this appears, and have concert weekend so no time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
My apologies, I meant "consensus" as in agreement, i.e. you and the reviewer have to agree on the hook. I'll be out for the weekend as well, so I won't be able to personally review/approve this, but could suggest some other hooks later. epicgenius (talk) 22:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
How about:
ALT6: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, a project to present Wagner's Ring Cycle in a limited space, the singers and a full-fledged symphony orchestra were together on the stage of the theater (pictured)? or
ALT7: ... that in Der Ring in Minden, a project to present Wagner's Ring Cycle in a limited space, the singers fronted a full-fledged symphony orchestra on the stage of the theater (pictured)?
Jmar67 (talk) 06:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't think ALT6 or ALT7 could work as pictured hooks as the proposals are describing the stage, but the picture actually shows the building. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:34, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I try something new, let them find out Wagner and Minden in the article, "full-fledged" is not what we need (it's rather symphony vs. opera), also it should be "theatre" for a European topic:
ALT8: ... that in Der Ring in Minden (theatre pictured), the orchestra played at the back of the stage and was often visible?
ALT9: ... that in Der Ring in Minden (theatre pictured), the orchestra played on stage, visible for the march after Siegfried's death which a critic described as a symphonic poem on violence?
ALT10: ... that in Der Ring in Minden (theatre pictured), the orchestra played at the back of the stage, and in the end all singers turned towards it to listen to the music?
Music had the last word! Rebecca? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I've just seen this - I will think about it and get back to you :-) RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I like ALT10, haven't checked it though. Yoninah (talk) 19:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I added a ref to the fact (Molke 2018), saying "Die Toten erheben sich und richten ihren Blick auf das Orchester, während der trennende Gaze-Vorhang, der das Orchester von den Solisten trennt, in den Schnürboden emporgezogen wird. Doch bei dem intensiven Spiel der Nordwestdeutschen Philharmonie unter der Leitung von Frank Beermann versinkt man in den Klängen der Musik, ohne groß über diese Idee nachdenken zu können." (machine translation: The dead rise and look up at the orchestra, while the separating gauze curtain that separates the orchestra from the soloists is pulled up into the drawing floor. But during the intensive playing of the Nordwestdeutsche Philharmonie under the direction of Frank Beermann, one sinks into the sounds of the music without being able to think much about this idea.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 14[edit]

Magnificat (Vivaldi)

Church of the Ospedale della Pietà, Venice
Church of the Ospedale della Pietà, Venice
  • Reviewed: to come

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 21 October 2019 (UTC).


QPQ: ????
Overall: Symbol question.svg Looks great, only QPQ link missing (review is for ALT1). In more detail, with some improvement suggestions beyond DYK:

  • New enough and long enough: Expanded from 714 B (109 words) to 4354 B (713 words) "readable prose size" (per prosesize tool)
  • Not featured in ITN or DYK before
  • Hook ALT1 and image look fine. I suggest (ALT2 above) to focus the hook a bit more by leaving out a secondary aspect (which part of the earlier version the arias replaced) and augmenting the central aspect by an interesting detail (orphanage).
  • Appropriate citations:
    • Format (inline footnotes, References section) etc. looks great
    • A citation would still be good for RV 610 being the best known version, or for the approximate performance duration of 15 minutes.
    • Hook is contained in the article, and supported by the citation.
    • The link in ref [6] (supporting the statement "Carus-Verlag published two versions ...") is broken, and also, standard bibliographical information (ISBN etc.) is preferable over commercial links for the purpose of proving the existence of publications.
  • No plagiarism or close paraphrasing. (Parts of the "History" section hew closely to ref 2, but I think this is still on the permissible side.)
  • Neutrally written (although some subjective descriptions like "cheerful" could be attributed), no recent disputes.
  • The "Structure and scoring" section should clarify which version it refers to (I guess RV 610?). And it might be a nice idea to add a column to the table distinguishing choral and solo sections.
  • By the way, have we ever tried to feature an audio sample instead of an image for a DYK?
    Regards, HaeB (talk) 05:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
    Thank you for a thorough review. I have a weekend pleasantly busy with yesterday's concert, please be patient. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
I'll still need a bit more time - now on vacation - but least did a qpq, Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Morstede. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:59, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 15[edit]

A Stanislaw Lem Reader

  • ... that A Stanislaw Lem Reader contains interviews with, an essay about and an essay by Stanisław Lem, one of the most widely read science fiction writers in the world? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Staszek Lem (talk) and Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 09:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 16[edit]

Sara Wesslin

  • ... that Sara Wesslin, recently selected by the BBC to their list of 100 "inspiring and influential" women for 2019, is one of only two journalists in the world broadcasting in Skolt Saami? Source: "The 28-year-old broadcasts across radio and television in Skolt Sami, and is one of only two journalists in the world doing so — that she knows of. (The other is Wesslin's colleague at Yle, Erkki Gauriloff.)"[5]

Created by Ipigott (talk). Nominated by Yupik (talk) at 10:21, 23 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Yupik, review follows: article created 16 October; article is currently short of minimum length (I make it 1186 characters when the direct quotes are taken out); article is well written; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't notice any issues with overly close paraphrasing from the sources cited; hook is interesting, mentioned in article and backed up by the BBC and Post Gazette sources; nominator has only 3 DYKs and is exempt from QPQ requirement. If the article is expanded above 1,500 characters of text let me know and I will come back to complete this review, all the best - Dumelow (talk) 21:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Dumelow: Thanks, I forgot about the minimum length since I haven't had to take it into account before. I'll try to get it up over the minimum limit and get back to you about it. -Yupik (talk) 23:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 18[edit]

Boxwood Altar (WB.232), Adam Dircksz

Boxwood altarpiece, 1511
Boxwood altarpiece, 1511

Created by Ceoil (talk). Self-nominated at 02:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg These two articles are new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the articles are neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. @Ceoil: There is an incomplete sentence in the "Triptychs" section of Boxwood Altar (WB.232) and you need to do two QPQs. Would you like to add an image to the nomination, the detailed sculpture is amazing? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Cwmhiraeth: have added the image (yes it is amazing)...will copy-edit further and complete the QPQ's. Thanks. Ceoil (talk) 22:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
QPQs and copyedits done, but thinking of adding a third article. Will add an ALT hook. Ceoil (talk) 19:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 19[edit]

Concentration of land ownership

  • ... that concentration of land ownership is correlated with various negative outcomes, including illiteracy and deforestation? Source: "Larger inequality in income and land distribution has been associated to higher deforestation rates in 48 developing countries" Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences; "In El Salvador and Guatemala, large landowners depended on a repressive labour regime to remain economically viable, ... in Colombia and Costa Rica, which are characterised by small-scale landholdings ... the coffee boom led to the emergence of a smallholder coffee economy. Because of these distinct reactions to the boom, literacy rates, as well as other indicators of socio-economic development, have differed sharply between the two sets of countries since the late 19th century." Scottish Land Commission

Created by Fiamh (talk). Self-nominated at 10:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

  • "Drive-by" comment(s): clearly a topic of overwhelming significance; also perhaps somewhat political with studies likely highly motivated to deliver outcomes in line with views and objectives of participants; apparently per Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines D7 there is an expectation of a reasonable degree of completeness. With such a topic, we are not there yet. Any approval would thus have to be IAR-based, say to align with the DYK objective of attracting new editors to a particular article; ALT2 is least problematic on these grounds. Latifundia and Equal-field system may be relevant. If, per the article, excess land fragmentation may likewise have negative outcomes (cf the Spartans with partitive heredity rather than primogeniture per Oliva etc), also need to be wary of tautology re optimum land parcel size, which is how much by the way? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 06:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • What is "complete?" We don't, and shouldn't, require DYK articles to meet GA standards. I'm not sure why you object to the original hook. It's a correlation, in both cases based on publicly available data. The article might seem unbalanced but I was just not able to find much of anything arguing that land concentration is good; it's criticized from the left to the right. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 10:05, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
per Gardini 2012 (sorry, link blocked when I tried to post), access to land in southwestern Togo (one of the countries in the footnoted study used in the first link above) may not solely follow the not necessarily applicable dichotomy between communal and individual "ownership", and local land transactions can take place that aren't necessarily reflected on high in cadastral records maintained by central bureaucracies; I wonder how that was adjusted for in the authors' sums; perhaps there could be more granularity when comparing Trinidad with Brazil? apparently the US has a high landgini, if that's the thing to rub; over and out, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Maculosae tegmine lyncis, I assume you mean "Land Transactions and Chieftaincies in Southwestern Togo"? Land tenure is often complicated and records are not always complete. But we're not the ones who are qualified to weigh these nuances (would require a mountain of OR); the academics who did the study are better placed to do that.
The Hoover institute fellow was discussing the land ownership system in the nineteenth century, not today. As noted in the article, land concentration can change dramatically over time—in either direction—and there's no more frontier to hand out to homesteaders. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 19:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 20[edit]

Missouri v. Frye

  • ... that in Missouri v. Frye the Supreme Court of the United States ruled defense attorneys have to communicate plea bargains to their clients? Source: "As a general rule, defense counsel has the duty to communicate formal prosecution offers to accept a plea on terms and conditions that may be favorable to the accused." Source
    • ALT1:... that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled defense attorneys "have the duty to communicate" plea bargain offers to their clients?

Created by Frood (talk). Self-nominated at 00:46, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg @Frood: There are some citation issues. Every paragraph should end with an inline citation, and every sentence preceding the last in a paragraph should have one as necessary. The actual hook (the holding of the court) does not actually appear in the Ruling section of the article. The biggest issue is that there is not a proper inline citation for the hook in the article. Bluebook citation is used, but it must have a pincite (i.e. the specific page in the opinion). AGF that no qpq is required. Ergo Sum 02:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

Gott ist gegenwärtig

1878 print from a Philadelphia hymnal
1878 print from a Philadelphia hymnal
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Sorry, I'm a day late. - The hook is first of a all a translation (would be "God is present").

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC).

Chad Wolf

Chad F. Wolf in 2017
Chad F. Wolf in 2017
  • ... that Chad Wolf (pictured) stated that, as DHS Chief of Staff during the Trump family separation policy, his function was to provide information to the Secretary and not to determine whether it was the right or wrong policy? Source: [7]
  • Reviewed: pending

Converted from a redirect by Antony-22 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Overall, looks good -- relatively minor issues below (plus QPQ needed). QuakerSquirrel (talk) 18:03, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Issues
  • QPQ still needed
  • Copyvio suggests first paragraph under "Education & Early Career" section is someone else's wording. Revise to fix this issue.
  • Should have citations in the first & second paragraph before Table of Contents.
  • Good aspects
  • Article increased 5x on Oct 21 & submitted for review Oct 27, meeting "new" definition at time of submission.
  • Photo from Commons
  • Hook of general interest.
  • Hook supported by info in the Chad Wolf page & by the citation.
  • Article tone is neutral.


Thomas Morstede

Created by ChocolateOrange1 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:32, 31 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: Welcome to DYK, ChocolateOrange1! One of the rules for DYK hooks is that the fact has to be mentioned and cited in the article, so another hook will have to be proposed. For example, you could write a hook about his manuscript or about how he treated three kings. You can propose alternate hooks by putting ALT# in front of them, like this:
Hope this helps :) Note to reviewers: This article is 10 days old, but it's the first article the user has written, so I think we can WP:IAR. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 18:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
SpicyMilkBoy Thank you for pointing this out to me! I have changed my entry accordingly.ChocolateOrange1 (talk) 01:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks - I shouldn't review this one because I'm involved, but someone will come along soon to review it. :) SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 09:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Solid article, on good sources, subscription sources accepted AGF (assuming good faith). I am lenient about the few days late. In the article, please avoid paragraphs of only one sentence, and have a reference at the end of each paragraph. Did you know that you can give a ref a name, typing "ref name="XYZ" instead of "ref", and then (once defined) you can call it by name, "ref name="XYZ /"? You don't need any reference in the lead (introduction) as long as it's a summary of things referenced in the body. I think we should say "of England" in the hook, as we had kings named Henry in Germany also, for example. Please word an alternative (ALT2:) below. Nice to meet you, ChocolateOrange1! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Thank you for your feedback! I have changed my entry to include "of England" now! ChocolateOrange1 (talk) 10:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Next time, please don't change what you worded before, because the conversation is hard to understand then. But fine for this time. Just two facts still need a citation, one of them his burial. Do you have this nomination on your watchlist, or should I ping you each time, ChocolateOrange1? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
The burial is noted in the ODNB entry already used as a reference in the article, so I've repeated that reference. Richard Nevell (talk) 10:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt I have this nomination on my watchlist so don't worry about pinging me each time:) Richard Nevell has kindly added the reference for the burial. Which was the other fact which still needs a citation? ChocolateOrange1 (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the Career section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
ChocolateOrange1 Just pinging to make sure you've seen this. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 07:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 22[edit]

Carla (singer)

  • ... that Carla's coach at the Voice Kids France did not want her to release an album?
    • ALT1:... that Carla's fans were disappointed with her choice to cover Disney songs?

Created/expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Red XN - Still needed.
Overall: Symbol question.svg feminist (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Richard Nixon's visit to the Lincoln Memorial

  • Comment: So many great hooks here, the valet, corned beef hash, the signed bible, Rachmaninoff, but I've kept it simple.

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment:As written, also quotes from Dickerson, McNichol and Haldeman, all from the magazine article. Also, the exchange with Dickerson and her later comment on it had nothing to do with the visit. David notMD (talk) 05:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The copyright violation concerns will need to be addressed before the nomination can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 26[edit]

Sandyhills

Sandyhills tower blocks (2009)
Sandyhills tower blocks (2009)

5x expanded by Crowsus (talk). Self-nominated at 18:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Crowsus: This substantial article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The image is suitably licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. I do not see an inline reference for the hook facts in the article. You should either add a reference for the facts, or suggest a different hook. No QPQ is needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing. The sources in this template and in the article verify the height of the buildings and the article also mentions and sources others which were demolished or are not as tall, i.e the one in Edinburgh. The articles List of tallest buildings and structures in Glasgow lists the others in the city for comparison, and Housing in Glasgow#Glasgow tower blocks has both a list of heights and a map of the locations. The Emporis site unfortunately does not sort into a list for Scotland as a whole, just by the UK or by city, so there is no quick way to show the claim is correct. It is definitely possible to compare building heights (there are only 4 cities in Scotland which have such buildings) and confirm the accuracy of the statement, but if you're asking for a source that specifically states that fact referencing Sandyhills, I don't think there is one. In view of that, I appreciate there are shades of OR to this, and if that invalidates it for DYK, fair enough. I can't really think of another hook for the article, nothing else really stands out as interesting or unusual enough for suggestion. Best regards. Crowsus (talk) 07:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
@Crowsus: How about:
  • ALT1 ... that in the Sandyhills area of Glasgow there were once two coal mines, a rope manufacturer, an ironworks making machinery for the textile industry and a chemical works producing tar? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that in the Sandyhills area of Glasgow there were once two coal mines, a factory making foamslag blocks and a chemical works producing tar?
@Cwmhiraeth: that sounds good! Helps to have someone with a brain looking at it. There was also the place making the concrete blocks. Let me know what I need to do with it (copy refs onto here etc)? Crowsus (talk) 10:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
@Crowsus: I don't think you need do anything, but someone else will come along in due course and approve or reject the new hook. Of course, I don't know the area, and my only doubt is whether the places mentioned are actually in Sandyhills or are in an adjoining area. Is Shettleston part of Sandyhills? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: More like the other way around. Sandyhills is the sort of border lands to the east and south of Shettleston which is an old village swallowed up by Glasgow, nowadays its not obvious where one place ends and the next begins. Of the industry, pedantic people are most likely to be familiar/have an issue with the iron works as that is next to Shettleston Station and seen as a main part of that district; I have amended the hook slightly to reflect that. Crowsus (talk) 11:15, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. I have struck my hook and called yours ALT2. Calling for a new reviewer for ALT2. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Tower Block UK: Sandyhills House". University of Edinburgh. Retrieved 26 October 2019.
  2. ^ "Buildings in Glasgow: Sandyhills House". Emporis. Retrieved 26 October 2019.

Articles created/expanded on October 27[edit]

Totentanz (Distler)

Part of Lübecker Totentanz
Part of Lübecker Totentanz
  • ... that the 1934 choral composition Totentanz (Danse Macabre) by Hugo Distler was inspired by the medieval Lübecker Totentanz (partly pictured)? Source: [8]
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: The composer wrote it for Totensonntag, this year 24 November.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article was new enough at time of nomination, however, Xtools gives me 1354 characters, so it's not quite long enough. I would ideally like to see more sources as well, as one source is inaccessible to me and one source only mentions the piece in passing. Obviously also still needs QPQ. The image is fine and nice addition, and I like the hook. However, I would make clear that 'Lübecker Totentanz' refers to a painting. Achaea (talk) 21:47, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the 1934 choral composition Totentanz (Danse Macabre) by Hugo Distler was inspired by the medieval painting Lübecker Totentanz (partly pictured)?
Thank you for looking, and yes, I'll expand further. (Just returned from vacation.) ALT1 is fine if the pic is not taken, but otherwise something people can see. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Polish-Bohemian War (990)

Created by NickkkkBozekk (talk) and Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 03:38, 30 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Quick note: Article title should be Polish–Bohemian War, not Polish-Bohemian War. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have moved the article and adjusted the links from the hook and credit templates. 97198 (talk) 08:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

WUOT

  • Reviewed: Colleen Barrett
  • Comment: DYKcheck will not flag this as a 5x expansion because a prior revision had a list of local hosts that it flagged as prose. This is a 5x expansion with that section ignored, and from the revision prior to my expansion.

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 22:59, 27 October 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 28[edit]

Satyaprakash

  • ... that an article published by Gujarati social reformer Karsandas Mulji in his weekly Satyaprakash resulted into the infamous Maharaj Libel Case which he ultimately won? Source Shukla, Jaykumar R. (October 2018) [1992]. "કરસનદાસ મૂળજી" Karsandas Mulji. In Thaker, Dhirubhai (ed.). Gujarati Vishwakosh (in Gujarati). IV (Reprint of 2nd ed.). Ahmedabad: Gujarat Viswakosh Trust. p. 266. ISBN 978-93-83975-34-1.
    • ALT1:... that Satyaprakash, the weekly started by Gujarati social reformer Karsandas Mulji, addressed issues of female education, excessive spending in pompous marriages, female chest beating after death and singing of indecent songs in marriage? Shukla, Jaykumar R. (October 2018) [1992]. "કરસનદાસ મૂળજી" Karsandas Mulji. In Thaker, Dhirubhai (ed.). Gujarati Vishwakosh (in Gujarati). IV (Reprint of 2nd ed.). Ahmedabad: Gujarat Viswakosh Trust. p. 266. ISBN 978-93-83975-34-1.
  • Reviewed: No, inexperienced. Only 2nd nomination

Created by Harshil169 (talk), Nizil Shah (talk), and Gazal world (talk). Nominated by Harshil169 (talk) at 06:43, 31 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The two hooks have potential but need work. ALT1 is simply too long and needs to be made more concise. ALT0 lacks context for those who live outside India, as the libel case doesn't seem to be well-known outside of that country. And I'm not sure if the word "infamous" should be in the hook per WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: can you fix this? I’m clueless here. — Harshil want to talk? 02:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Removed Maharaj Libel Case which does not qualify for DYK. Other fixes are coming soon. -Nizil (talk) 05:05, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Harshil169 and Narutolovehinata5: New hook. ALT2: ... that an article criticising Hindu religious leader published in Satyaprakash resulted in a libel case against social reformer Karsandas Mulji?
ALT2a: ... that an article criticising Hindu religious leader published in Satyaprakash resulted in a libel case?
I have proposed ALT2 and shorter ALT2a. Please review them. -Nizil (talk) 05:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: I think words like sexual relations and Vaishnav are vital here.— Harshil want to talk? 07:58, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Harshil169: Sexual is not in the article and Vaishnava would not be understood by non-Indian readers so the current hook is better IMO. -Nizil (talk) 14:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT2 & ALT2a are OK. --Gazal world (talk) 11:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 29[edit]

En blanc et noir

Manuscript of the beginning of En blanc et noir
Manuscript of the beginning of En blanc et noir
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Sorry, we are a bit late, again. I wanted to expand this on 31 October, because of the Luther quote. Chuckstreet added some on 29 October, which brought us to a 5* expansion that day, - and no way I could multiply that 5*. I kow that the image shows no detail, but - being black and white - is a cute illustration to a title that translates to "In black and white". Please no later than 30 November, would be good on any of the remembrance days, such as 17 November. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Chuckstreet (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • The date of composition is 1915 not 2015. Also translation is "In White and Black", referring to piano keys and emphasis in the different movements (1st mvt is white, 2nd black, 3rd both: thus grey), not "In Black and White" which has a different (monochromatic) meaning. It's shortened from the original full title "Caprices in White and Black". Chuckstreet (talk) 21:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, fixed the year, sorry about that. The other was also wrong, but doesn't matter too much as not in the hook, - you are right there as well. More expansion would be possible, and plenty of sources there, but I was just told that another article is too short. Feel free ... - Help with French quotations would also be nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Adil Bouafif

Adil Bouafif, 2012
Adil Bouafif, 2012

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self-nominated at 18:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This is more of a comment than a review, but I'm not really sure about either hook. ALT0 borders on being a BLP violation, while ALT1 is not an eye-catchy hook at first (it's interesting, but only after reading it after a while and understanding what it means, and that might not be the case for the typical Main Page reader). Perhaps additional hooks could be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Added one.BabbaQ (talk) 07:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 30[edit]

Nocturnes (Debussy)

  • ... that the third of three Nocturnes for orchestra by Claude Debussy requires a women's chorus singing like sirens, without words? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

5x expanded by Chuckstreet (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 31[edit]

Melody (Spanish singer)

Melody in 2015
Melody in 2015
  • ... that Melody was rumoured to be dead?
    • ALT1:... that due to Melody's three-year disappearance from the public eye, she was rumoured to be dead?

5x expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 13:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

Wilhelm Keitel

Keitel as Chief of the Armed Forces High Command
Keitel as Chief of the Armed Forces High Command
  • Reviewed: Yevgeny Bushmin
  • Comment: Changed username. Sources in article. The first hook is probably better if the image is used.

Improved to Good Article status by K.e.coffman (talk). Nominated by Fiamh (talk) at 03:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC).

Jedediah Sanger

  • ... that Jedediah Sanger founded New Hartford but gave his name to Sangerfield? Source: "The settlement of this town was commenced by Colonel Jedediah Sanger" [12] (page 272) and "was so named in honor of Col. Jedediah Sanger of New Hartford" (page 410).

5x expanded by MB (talk). Self-nominated at 00:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

Coelopa pilipes

  • ... that Coelopa pilipes fly populations can maintain temperatures of 40 °C (104 °F) in beach kelp, even during the winter?
    • ALT1:... that Coelopa pilipes are flies mainly found on beaches in Eastern Europe?
    • ALT2:... that the mating behaviors of Coelopa pilipes flies change depending on available seaweed species?
    • ALT3:... that Coelopa pilipes flies only lay their eggs on washed-up kelp?

Created by Steelwull (talk). Self-nominated at 15:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment @Steelwull: Whilst I'm not planning to review this article (I shall leave that for someone else!), I would ask you to help the reviewer by citing the actual page numbers within very long references (580 pages!!), using the {{rp}} template for reference page numbers for each time you cite that work. For example, I gave up looking for that part of the source that supports Coelopa have been shown to maintain a 40 °C (104 °F) environment despite snow and ice on the beach they inhabit. and it is sufficiently vaguely-worded that it might mean they remain inside rotting vegetation (which stays warm) or that they can magically fly out into the snow, whilst still maintaining an incredibly high temperature in their bodies. This is going to need better clarification. And C. pilipes lives in washed-up kelp on beaches before adulthood and can recycle decaying kelp by consuming it. also sounds odd - almost as if they're doing the beach authorities a favour by recycling litter for them, rather than actually utilising decaying kelp as a food source, which I'm sure is precisely what you intended!
In addition, quite a few other phrases bother me. By way of example, "Other reported locations for C. pilipes residence include North Africa[8] and Australia, a more significant location." seems rather confusing. Could this be better worded?  Females lay eggs singly, as does Drosophila melanogaster. - what is the relevance of this statement? Why mention Drosophila at all? I would also point out that Fucus and Laminaria aren't seaweed varieties - they're genera, containing a number of species, so I'd avoid the term 'varieties' if you can. Overall, I feel a subtle reworking of the English will be needed right through this article if it is to proceed. Sorry to be a grinch - but these things can all be fixed with a little bit of tender reworking of sentence construction and careful consideration of what you're trying to say. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Nick Moyes: Thank you for the comments. I've gone in and added page numbers for the longer sources, and will definitely continue to work on wording throughout the next few days. Steelwull (talk) 23:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Anthony (Sevryuk)

Anthony (Sevryuk) in Kiev in 2019
Anthony (Sevryuk) in Kiev in 2019

Created by Inter&anthro (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Would it be possible to propose another hook? Right now, as it's written, it might not appeal to those unfamiliar with Orthodox Christianity, since it doesn't really say much about him that could easily catch attention. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • That's a valid concern, I'm trying to brainstorm another hook right now. The problem is that since the article is about an Orthodox bishop and most of the text in the article deals with that, it will be hard to come up with a hook that appeals to readers unfamiliar with the topic.   Inter&anthro (talk) 13:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 1[edit]

Anna Kessel

  • Reviewed: Charles Blackwell
  • Comment: This is a re-creation of a previously deleted stub, fully rewritten. The stub was re-created and rewritten by Theroadislong, and moved to mainspace 1 November 2019.

Moved to mainspace by Theroadislong (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 19:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

Austin, Nichols and Company Warehouse

The Austin, Nichols & Company Warehouse
The Austin, Nichols & Company Warehouse
  • ... that the Austin, Nichols and Company Warehouse (pictured), once headquarters for one of the world's largest grocery wholesalers, is now a luxury condominium building? Source: NYCLPC p. 3, NY Times
    • ALT1:... that the Austin, Nichols and Company Warehouse (pictured), one of New York City's only Egyptian Revival buildings, was the headquarters for one of the world's largest grocery wholesalers? Source: NYCLPC p. 2,3
    • ALT2:... that the Austin, Nichols and Company Warehouse (pictured), one of New York City's only Egyptian Revival buildings, was made an official city landmark before that designation was overturned? Source: NYCLPC p. 2, NY Times

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 2[edit]

Dixit Maria

Annunciation by Hans Memling
Annunciation by Hans Memling
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: not before 1 Dec, please, - perhaps 8 Dec, a Marian feast, - I failed finding an image of the annunciation closer in time to Hassler, and still showing in stamp size, - help welcome.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC).

Carla Herrero

Herrero in 2014
Herrero in 2014
  • ... that Carla Herrero (pictured) realized she had been bullied in school for eight years only when she entered a new school environment? Source: Te Interesa "Fue al cambiar de centro para iniciar el Bachillerato cuando se dio cuenta de sus heridas y empezó a hablar" (It was when she changed schools to start bachillerato when she became aware her injuries and began to speak) La Vanguardia "Empezó a hablar, la relación con los compañeros fue buena y se dio cuenta de lo que le había pasado..." (She began to talk, her relationship with her classmates was good and she became aware of what had happened...)
    • ALT1:... that Carla Herrero's (pictured) experience being bullied for eight years inspired a research project she did about youth identity amid bullying? Source: Te Interesa "Carla volcó su historia y sufrimiento en un trabajo de investigación de Bachillerato..." (Carla turned her story and suffering into a bachillerato research work...) The paper: "A la recerca de la pròpia identitat" (In search of one's own identity)

Created by Hameltion (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • This is a drive-by comment for now, but I'm not sure if ALT0 is a good idea. Not only is it a very downlifting hook, it's probably not a good idea to focus on such a negative aspect of her life. ALT1 might have more potential, but it may be need to be reworded to put focus away from the bullying part. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

List of November 2019 Hong Kong protests

Converted from a redirect by Feminist (talk) and OceanHok (talk). Self-nominated at 11:47, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

  • @Feminist: This is just my observation and not a full review, but I suppose the nomination may be quite hasty, since this is a quickly developing situation. Though stability is not a criterion for DYK, this is only the second day of November (third day for Hong Kong), and I think there may be further developments over the course of the month. epicgenius (talk) 00:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree, but regardless of whether an article is stable or not, a "hasty" nomination is required if I were to comply with DYK rules which dictate that an article must be nominated within 7 days of creation or expansion. feminist (talk) 02:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Feminist: OK. I suppose the recency issue is not a big problem then, so I'm going to review the article. epicgenius (talk) 03:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - It may just be me following the HK protests a lot (as my family's originally from that area) but I don't find the hooks to be excessively interesting. I think the mistaken re-arrest of protesters may be far more interesting, but it isn't in the article and may only be tangentially related. Let me know what you think.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 03:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

  • @Epicgenius: Thanks. I've added the re-arrest to the article and split the paragraph under "Central". I'm actually surprised at this getting reviewed so quickly because I expect major additions to this article regarding future events. I nominated this article so quickly to ensure it satisfies the newness requirement, not because I expect this article to be stable. This means a new review (focusing on policy compliance) may be required in a few weeks. For a hook relating to the re-arrest:
  • ALT2: ... that riot police entered a court building in Hong Kong to re-arrest defendants after a spelling mistake by the justice department led to their charges being dropped? feminist (talk) 14:08, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
    • I like ALT2, but I'll leave this on hold for now in case we need another review at the end of the month. epicgenius (talk) 17:00, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Frank Palmer (businessman)

  • ... that Frank Palmer retired from business exactly after 50 years service? Source: [15]
    • ALT1:... that Frank Palmer entered in to advertising business on April 1, 1969 and left on the exact date after 50 years? Source: [16]

Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 06:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - ?
Overall: Symbol question.svg Overall, a really good article that I enjoyed reading. Nice work, Captain Assassin! Per a QPQ check, however, it looks like the nominator needs to provide a QPQ, which has not been done yet. I have a slight preference for ALT1 as the hook, but the main hook is good, too. Once QPQ is done, I'll be happy to pass this nomination. Once again, nice work! Michael Barera (talk) 03:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

@Michael Barera: Side comment: Does ALT1 sound a bit off grammatically? Specifically "entered in to advertising" --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
@Michael Barera: Thanks for your comment. I will provide a QPQ done asap. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 07:09, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Battle of the North Inch

Created/expanded by QuintusPetillius (talk). Self-nominated at 18:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

I'd be happy to give some feedback, regardless:
  1. The hook should be tweaked to add the "a" to the link (i.e. "...his court arranged a trial by combat) to avoid the potential WP:EGG of a reader expecting the link to trial by combat. ☑Y Resolved; hook amended. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  2. The article states that the King insisted the parties end their feud "amicably", and that the proposal for the trial by combat came from the two chiefs. The original hook implies the King was more involved than being a spectator. This may be clarified in the citation (currently Ref #11) but it's offline so I cannot verify (being an offline reference isn't necessarily a problem in itself) (applies to original hook only) ☑Y Resolved; hook amended. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  3. The article makes it clear that one of the sides may not have been Clan Cameron. (applies to original hook only) ☑Y Resolved; hook amended. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  4. Although it's not WP:SYN, there's (currently) a bit of extra reading needed to extrapolate the numbers—clearly, there is a reference given for 29 + 19 deaths (although this says the opponents to Clan Chattan was the Davidsons). There isn't an inline ref (unless it's the one a few sentences after) for there being 30 people on each side (and it appears not all accounts agree). It's all there in the Brown source—30 vs 30 on page 154 ("...they adopted the singular idea of deciding their quarrel by a combat of thirty against thirty."); 29 + 19 deaths on page 156 ("...twenty nine of the Davidsons had fallen [...] nineteen of Cluny's men also bit the dust..."). ☑Y Resolved; references clarified. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Article expansion aside, just a few referencing improvements would make ALT1 eligible. MIDI (talk) 11:09, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Replying to comment on my talk page: The first paragraph of the "Battle" section is only supported by one footnote. Because of this, it is not clear to which statement the footnote applies, or if it is a citation for the entire paragraph. If that footnote does support the entire paragraph, that's absolutely fine (and I presume this is the case). However, if this is the case, it means there is an unreferenced statement in there (Brown does not support the "Although the numbers involved in the battle have been increased by various historians" statement). MIDI (talk) 21:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have changed the line in the Battle section of the article to that the numbers have been "variously reported" specific to as be what is said on page 154 of the book being quoted as source for the whole paragraph. I hope that this is sufficient. Thanks.QuintusPetillius (talk) 21:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
I have reworded slightly to clarify what is backed up by the Browne reference. I have put a {{cn}} tag in where more referencing is needed. We're now straying away from the remit of this DYK nomination; I feel that point #4 of my list above will be resolved with the extra citation, but anything not related to the other three issues (i.e. general article improvements) should be taken up at Talk:Battle of the North Inch. MIDI (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I have added Browne as the source where you added the citation needed template as page 154 does clearly state the numbers have been "variously reported". However, finding examples of historians who have actually given different numbers is another thing. Both Browne and Keltie (also quoted in the article) state that some writers have mis-interpreted the works of Hector Boece and George Buchanan to say that 300 warriors took part, but they do not actually specify which writers do this. As you have mentioned any further adjustment to the article would be straying to far from the DYK nomination and should be taken up at the talk page. Regards. QuintusPetillius (talk) 21:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
That's entirely my fault - I have read the reference god knows how many times and did not see that part! I'm very sorry! This is no longer an issue to be resolved. Thanks for your clarification. We could perhaps reword the hook to say something like "as few as thirty warriors on each side" as that corroborates the link (any other reports are greater than 30). Therefore the link would be fully sourced and not potentially incorrect. Just the other points (namely article length) to sort now. I see it's undergone further expansion so I'll run DYKCHECK later when I'm not mobile editing! MIDI (talk) 08:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I have just run DYKCHECK—to help you, the expansion started with this edit on 31 October (prose of 3956 characters). Per the 5x expansion rule (WP:DYKRULES), the article needs to be 19,780 characters to be eligible; it is currently at 4,865. Updated proposed ALT below. MIDI (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
So regarding the number of characters, how did the Battle of Craig Cailloch manage to get a successful nomination when it is even shorter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuintusPetillius (talkcontribs) 18:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
(passerby)Hello! You need to expand an article five times the size you start with no matter how big it is. If it had a single short paragraph, you could make it five short paragraphs which would make the article both five times the original size and about the minimum acceptable size for DYK. You started on the article when it was 13 short paragraphs, roughly speaking, so it requires to either become about 65 short paragraphs long or a Good Article to be DYK eligible, I would bet on the latter being easier. Usedtobecool TALK  06:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 3[edit]

Irma Beilke

As Marzelline in 1945
As Marzelline in 1945
  • ... that soprano Irma Beilke appeared as Marzelline (pictured) in Beethoven's Fidelio on 4 September 1945 in the first opera performance in Berlin after World War II? Source: [17] + the image
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: I'd like to add that she was Blonde in Glyndeborne and Traviata in Dublin, - major roles, internationality, but perhaps we stick to the performance with historic notability. - Sorry, a day late. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Jo Walker-Meador

Created/expanded by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This is a comment rather than a review, but I wonder if a better hook could be proposed. Right now the hook lacks context about Walker-Meador's life, or her involvement in said hall of fame (the hook doesn't even mention it by name!). The hook has potential, but it could still be improved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Another hook added per request. Chris (talk) 23:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 has potential, but it's over the 200 character limit and thus needs to be trimmed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Take 3.Chris (talk) 23:38, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I guess ALT2 works, but it doesn't mention the Hall of Fame anymore. As I don't really think these hooks are that spectacular (though are still acceptable for DYK purposes), I'll leave reviewing this to another editor and asking for second opinions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Rockstar San Diego

  • Reviewed: Hazeltine 2000
  • Comment: Open to rewordings and different proposals, as there is a lot to say/know about this company. I like all presented hooks equally, so I leave the selection fully to the reviwer(s). Also note that the copyvio detector will most likely tag Polygon with some ~40% confidence. This is because a three-sentence quote was extracted from the website and is presented in a quotebox in the article, which the copyvio detector does not recognize as a quote.

Improved to Good Article status by Lordtobi (talk). Self-nominated at 16:09, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 4[edit]

Maëlle

  • Reviewed: To come soon.

Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Real Monasterio de Santo Tomás

Church of Santo Tomás
Church of Santo Tomás
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: There's much more in Spanish, but without source.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

  •  Comment: Needs going over by a native speaker, & many links added. Johnbod (talk) 22:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok, done that. Odd you don't mention that the high altar is hoisted some 5 metres above the nave! There may be an issue of copyvio with the Spanish source. A better hook might be "... was partly funded by the head of the Spanish Inquisition". I can't review it. Johnbod (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Johnbod, I came to add you to the credits. I'd mention the altar position if I'd find it in a source, but don't read Spanish. I tried to rephrase, - perhaps not yet enough so. This must be mentioned in books, even in English, would you find something? - I just saw it and was impressed! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hussein Mohammed

  • ... that Hussein Mohammed helped to improve military discipline through a plot during which the Ugandan President's brother was forced into a car boot? Source: "Gen Mustafa [...] ordered Maj Nebbi to enter the boot of his Mercedes and instructed the driver to lock it. He then told the driver: "Drive this man to Jinja [district in eastern Uganda] and back. When you reach Jinja, report to the Commanding Officer there and tell him to call me". Sgt Kitaka drove to Jinja barracks and back, with Maj Nebbi in the boot. Once in Jinja, the Commanding Officer (Lt Col Hussein Mohammed), called Gen Mustafa, saying: "Afande, your driver has reported to me with the 'luggage' inside the boot. He is on his way back." When the driver reported back at Bulange, Gen Mustafa told him to open the boot. He slapped Maj Nebbi and barked in Swahili: "We mujinga, toka injje!" Meaning: "You fool, get out." He asked him: "Is it nice inside there?" Gen Mustafa then rang Amin and told him: "I have put your brother, Maj Nebbi, in the boot of my car and driven him to Jinja and back because he put a civilian in the boot of his car after a slight mistake". Amin replied: "No problem, that is your job." From that day, soldiers became more disciplined." (When Amin's brother was locked in car boot)
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 00:42, 10 November 2019 (UTC).

KNWB

  • ... that 17 extensions and modifications of the construction permit were necessary before Hawaii radio station KFSH went on the air in 1985, more than eight years after the permit was awarded? This count will require cross-referencing the FCC history card and the FCC official record; it's easiest to use the FCCdata mirror for this.

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC).

Virginia Kirkus

Converted from a redirect by MrLinkinPark333 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC).

  • For ALT2, she had left the bookshop service in the early 1960s before it was renamed to kirkus reviews in 1969. Same with ALT1 as it wasn't named Kirkus Reviews while she was there. Also, the date is a day off cause I wasn't finished until november 4th UTC time. For the lead, I'm not sure if I should either quote "bookshop service" or not as it was named Virginia Kirkus Bookshop Service. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new and long enough. QPQ has been completed. No concerning pings on Earwigs. Hooks are sourced and short enough for DYK; I think ALT1 is the most interesting, though I don't think "bookshop service" needs to be italicized in this context. Morgan695 (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

Erza Muqoli

  • Reviewed: To come soon.
  • Comment: The article is still undergoing some work. I may add more hooks soon (in the next few days).

Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Moscow Connection: Prose size 2796 B. I'm AGFing the foreign-language sources. I'd lean towards ALT1 because being voted no sounds a little too routine to be interesting... unless you want to rewrite that first-choice hook. Only two things needed to address: two sentences - "posted videos of her singing on the Internet" and "The entire album was written and composed by Vianney." - need inline citations attached to them. Most importantly, QPQ needed. I'd also recommend merging some one-sentence paragraphs. And yes, I'll give you time to work on the article. ミラP 00:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Peleng tarsier

  • ... that the Peleng tarsier, a small carnivorous primate, can rotate its head through nearly 180° in each direction? Source: "Unique spinal morphology makes tarsiers capable of turning their heads nearly 180° in each direction,"

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Starting Review--Kevmin § 13:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Paul Mickelson

  • ... that Paul Mickelson bought the NBC Hollywood Studios organ, the instrument on which he first recorded? Source: [19] "At 18 Mickelson recorded his first organ solo at Hollywood's Radio City, playing on the NBC pipe organ.... Mickelson now owns this organ..."

Created by 78.26 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 6 November 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - Just some minor wording to sort out. The hook and article state that Mickelson's first recording was on the NBC organ. The source says his first recorded organ solo—that's quite distinctive to (and doesn't necessarily mean) his "first recording". The source does not verify that this session was his very first, so unless a new source can I think we need a slight rewording (of hook and article) to reflect this.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg MIDI (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

  • "Hollywood Studios", with caps, looks like it could be linked to something. Any ideas if so? Also, the photo in the article is eligible for use (as PD) if you wanted. MIDI (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@MIDI: thank you for the review. This is why its such a good idea to have an independent set of eyes looking at it, as the proposed hook is a confluence of trying to keep it short, trying to keep it interesting, and accidentally incorporating my own knowledge of the topic (I could expand this fivefold, but no OR allowed, alas Face-wink.svg.) So, given that I'm unaware of any piano recordings by Mickelson until he joined Word, the fact that organ was by far the preferred instrument for religious performances until the 1960s, and he wouldn't have had a budget to do orchestral recording until he joined RCA, well, I didn't check my assumptions (to me it seems obvious as the only possibility) at the door. So, thank you for that. Also, I didn't think to check if NBC's California radio studios had their own article, but they do and it will make for a better hook. How about:
  • ALT1 ... that Paul Mickelson bought the organ from NBC's Hollywood Studios, the instrument upon which he made his first solo organ recording? Source: [20] "At 18 Mickelson recorded his first organ solo at Hollywood's Radio City, playing on the NBC pipe organ.... Mickelson now owns this organ..."
Thanks again! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:09, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
No probs! At the risk of overlinking, I'd suggest the following as minor changes (just for context for unfamiliar readers). Also, would something like "in later life" add clarity to the fact that Mickelson didn't just snap up the instrument straight after the session?:
or the following, if ALT2 is too linky:
MIDI (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure that both NBC and Hollywood Studios need to be linked (although CBS had a Hollywood Studios also, for instance the album from which the article picture was taken was recorded on CBS' "Hollywood Studios" pipe organ.) This is just a suggestion, and I'm not sure it's better, but what about linking to Theatre organ, since the instrument was indeed a theatre organ, and not a pipe organ. If you really feel I should include the image, then I should convert it to b&w. The album cover was printed in pink/black, and it looks like a severe case of sunburn.... 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 22:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Depukhu

  • Reviewed: QPQ exempt (only two previous DYK credits, will try to review one later but can't promise success)

Created by Usedtobecool (talk). Self-nominated at 18:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Drive by comment: doesn't "she-goat" sound weird in this hook.~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 01:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
  • CAPTAIN MEDUSA, perhaps, but AFAIK, that would be the limitation of the English language, alternatives are doe and nanny, neither of which can be used without the -goat suffix, and the word for baby goat is gender-neutral too. Usedtobecool TALK  18:05, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Super League XXV

  • ... that the British Super League XXV will feature a Canadian rugby league team for the first time? Source: BBC
    • ALT1:... that the 126th season of British rugby league in Super League XXV will feature a three-year-old Canadian team for the first time? Source: BBC

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 09:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC).

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 6[edit]

Ratnagiri, Odisha

Colossal Buddha head
Colossal Buddha head
  • ... that the Buddhist site of Ratnagiri, Odisha in India (Buddha head pictured) includes rare carved scenes combining eroticism and hair-cutting? Reichle, Natasha, "Imagery, Ritual and Ideology: Examining the Mahavirara at Ratnagiri", in Esoteric Buddhism in Mediaeval Maritime Asia: Networks of Masters, Texts, Icons, ed. Andrea Acri, 2016, ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute, ISBN 9814695084, 9789814695084, p. 231 here, & pic previous page
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: coming

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 04:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

Lu Shijia

  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: Sourcing still needs some improvement, I'll work on it in the next week.

Created by Yeming830 (talk) and Zanhe (talk). Nominated by Zanhe (talk) at 11:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC).

Edith Marian Begbie, Gertrude Wilkinson, Florence Macfarlane

Begbie, Wilkinson and Macfarlane in 1912
Begbie, Wilkinson and Macfarlane in 1912

Created/expanded by Jack1956 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:29, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

  • First of all, you need to review three articles in order to nominate three articles. Secondly, "suffragette" shoud not be capitalized. More to follow. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 05:06, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - There are serious problems with this. For instance, the Macfarlane article cites "Clan MacFarlane and Associated Clans Genealogy", thedinnerpuzzle.com and uncoveryourancestors.org. What makes any of these reliable? Other references are to "Florence Geraldine Mcfarlane in the 1901 Scotland Census" and "California Death Index for Florence Geraldine Macfarlane - 1940 to 1997". That's not verifiable.
  • Neutral: Green tickY
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Red XN - Some close paraphrasing, see here, here, and here

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Red XN - Need two more
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg AGF on the book citation, which is reliable but Google Books won't show it to me. I prefer ALT1. Never mind the QPQ—I see you're a new nominator. Welcome to DYK! (?) Fiamh (talk, contribs) 05:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

  • According to the userbox on the nominator's page, they've got 117 DYK credits, so two more reviews (a total of three) are required. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 07:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • That's weird, maybe the DYK check tool is acting up. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 10:04, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Clan MacFarlane and Associated Clans Genealogy, thedinnerpuzzle.com and uncoveryourancestors.org have used standard genealogical research/online sources which I have verified independently. Clan Macfaflane lists their sources as the International Genealogical Index and Ancestry.com, etc. Thedinnerpuzzle lists its 8 sources at the bottom of the article. I have checked these; while Uncover Your Ancestors mentions it sources throughout the article and I have double checked these also.

The references to "Florence Geraldine Mcfarlane in the 1901 Scotland Census" and "California Death Index for Florence Geraldine Macfarlane - 1940 to 1997" are from the copied documents on Ancestry.com. Usually when I put a link to Ancestry in an article someone complains and I take them out; I can put the links in if it helps. The "close paraphrasing" actually refers to facts such as organisations and addresses which I can't rewrite - they are what they are. I believe the image is anonymous because the admin who uploaded it put that tag on it: the photographer is unknown and therefore anonymous.

Finally, this is a rare triple DYK; do I really have to review three other articles a this is a single DYK with three subjects. I will do two more if really necessary and if it will pass the nomination. This is to publicise the Women in Red WikiProject. Other than that I don't have the time for a rewrite and reluctantly would have to withdraw the nomination. Jack1956 (talk) 10:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jack1956: Yes, unfortunately you do need to review three other articles per WP:DYKSG#H4: Where a hook has more than one new or expanded article in it, an article-for-article quid pro quo (QPQ) is required: one article reviewed for each bolded article in the hook. It's possible to review two articles in a single nomination, e.g. Template:Did you know nominations/Bersey electric cab, or I can donate some QPQ credits to you if you wish. epicgenius (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice and the kind offer of lending QPQ credits. I have taken your advice and reviewed the double article. Jack1956 (talk) 22:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Judith Katzir

Created by CallMeBarcode (talk). Self-nominated at 14:30, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • @CallMeBarcode: There is no need to move the page. I have reformatted the hook according to what it looks like it's saying. epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius: Thank you, Epicgenius! I appreciate your help a lot. CallMeBarcode (talk) 18:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the Israeli novel Tzilla is based on Judith Katzir's great-grandmother, who lost an eye in a Russian pogrom, moved to Palestine, and invited her lover to live with her and her husband? Source: https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/intimate-conversation-famed-israeli-author-Judith-Katzir

ALT1 has potential, but it's a bit on the long side. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that the Israeli novel Tzilla is based on Judith Katzir's great-grandmother who lost an eye in a Russian pogrom and later in Palestine invited her lover to live with her and her husband? Source: https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/intimate-conversation-famed-israeli-author-Judith-Katzir

slightly shortened version.108.16.95.25 (talk) 12:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC)


Lost in the Fumes

Created by Feminist (talk). Self-nominated at 16:56, 6 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svgArticle is new enough and long enough. AGFing on sources and copyright as I can't speak Chinese. First hook seems more interesting but perhaps translating the relevant part of the second source might make it more verifiable. QPQ is done. Image is fine. Is there a reason why there is no plot section? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Well, since it's like a documentary-style film focusing on Edward Leung's life, any plot section would simply retell his life and political career. If you think a plot section is still useful in spite of that, I can add one. But I may have to rewatch the film first. feminist (talk) 00:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Famine Inquiry Commission

  • ... that the Famine Inquiry Commission has been criticized for exonerating the British government of responsibility for the 1943 Bengal famine? Source: "the Famine Commission’s best efforts were directed not towards explaining the famine, but towards obscuring the role played by His Majesty’s government in precipitating and aggravating the famine" p. 72 (subscription required); Osmani 1993, p. 41; Ó Gráda 2009, p. 179.
    • ALT1:... that members of the inquiry into the 1943 Bengal famine were reportedly ordered to destroy the transcripts of their proceedings? Source: "For an answer, it is instructive to review the Nanavati Papers, the unpublished transcripts of the secret hearings of the Famine Commission. These are highly revealing of the body’s underlying motivations. Members of the commission were reportedly ordered to destroy their copies of these transcripts, but fortunately Justice Nanavati did not comply – his set, or at least parts of it, are to be found in the National Archives of India in New Delhi" first source above

Created by Fiamh (talk). Self-nominated at 08:34, 6 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 7[edit]

Iris lortetii

Iris lortetii
Iris lortetii
  • ... that rhizomes of Iris lortetii when stored during the late summer and autumn, lose 30–60% of their weight? [1]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by DavidAnstiss (talk). Self-nominated at 23:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

Eriocampa ovata

  • ... that adult male woolly alder sawflies have not been detected in North America and are rare in Europe? Source: "Male: Unknown in North America. Rare in Europe."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:50, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - I'd be inclined to have something in the hook about how the females breed via parthenogenesis in the absence of males—as someone not usually interested in this field, adding that is a bit more "interesting". Suggested alt below.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Expanded article all good as is, but suggestions made to improve hookiness. MIDI (talk) 16:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that in the absence of males in North America, the female woolly alder sawfly breeds through parthenogenesis? Sources: absence of males in North America ("Male.—unknown in North America"); the female [...] breeds through parthenogenesis ("A parthenogenic species"). Both Smith, 1979 p19

The History of Doing

  • Reviewed: Bin Cheng
  • Comment: I have quoted some sources inline. Earwigs copyvio detector catches these. Do please let me know if I have missed anything which isn't permissible.

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 09:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC).

That would be a mistake, from various points of view! Johnbod (talk) 22:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Jacqueline Coleman

Moved to mainspace by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 03:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I'm claiming this for review and will try to finish it within the next few days, but for now I have a question. Are lieutenant governors of U.S. inherently notable? Having looked at the article, most of the coverage appears to be election-related as opposed to her activist career or even her previous election campaign. The hook is good and cited inline, so that should be fine at least. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, WP:NPOL says: "Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or sub-national (e.g., province- or state-wide) office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them." Lt Gov is a state-wide office. She will get more coverage as Lt Gov than she did as a candidate, or before she was one. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Noted. The article meets DYK requirements, a QPQ has been provided, I didn't find any close paraphrase, and the hook is cited inline, interesting, and verified. However, I'm not very sure about the mention of Coleman's pregnancy: is it right to say "announced their pregnancy" instead of "announced her pregnancy"? In addition, the year of birth doesn't seem to be cited in the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I don't think it's wrong? It's her husband's too, even though she's the one carrying it. I took out the year of birth, since I don't know where it came from or who put it in. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps it's just the form of English that's used where I live, but personally I've never heard of "pregnancy" referring to both parents before, usually when I hear news about "pregnancy" they specify that it's the woman (i.e. "announces pregnancy", "announces her pregnancy", but not "announces their pregnancy"). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Bin Cheng

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewing... DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Article created on 7th Nov and nominated within the 7 day period. DYK check tool returns a value of 2992 characters (507 words) "readable prose size"; is long enough. A basic read of the prose shows it is policy compliant - neutral tone and cites sources. Earwigs copyvio detector returns a value of 23.1% "violation unliekly". Further most of the similarities between sources and content are names, designations or distinctions. Copyvio check ok.
  • Length of hook ok. The hook is interesting (But usage of "invented", legal theory, usage of the word customary - can be misleading in certain ways and not easy to understand for those who arent familiar with these terms in relation to the said law but I guess that is a domain matter so we can let it be) Since the overall meaning comes through and also is interesting its ok.
  • The hook is mentioned inline and supported by a source. A line in the original source says - source says - "Bin Cheng finds that a customary international law norm might be created instantly "over night"". I am not sure how much removing the word "norm" does to the meaning.
  • Accordingly, hook ALT0 is fine according to me, but I am suggesting a simpler hook if Zanhe has no problem with it...
ALT 1: ... that Bin Cheng has been described as the "Father of International Air Law". Source : Widely acknowledged as the "Father of International Air Law,”
  • Also, if you could maybe rephrase ALT0 or make it simpler or change or remove a few words...... not compulsory but a suggestion. Thanks.
Symbol question.svg DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 08:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Rags Parkland Sings the Songs of the Future

  • Reviewed: TBD

Moved to mainspace by Seancefret (talk) and Bobamnertiopsis (talk). Nominated by Bobamnertiopsis (talk) at 03:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

SNAP (programming language)

...? Source: SNAP: A Programming Language for Humanists

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 19:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - The "Example" section only has one source and the last three paragraphs of that section are unsourced. Same goes for a few sentences in the preceding sections. However, the unsourced statements in other sections aren't as important, since the general rule for DYK is that each paragraph must have a source.
  • Neutral: Green tickY
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - There are a few typos, like in the notes section, where "straightforward" is misspelled.

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Who is "it" referring to in "its students"? Did you mean "his" students?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg I'm assuming you meant to say that you reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/1766 Istanbul earthquake so I linked it above. epicgenius (talk) 19:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 8[edit]

Stucky (fandom)

  • Reviewed: Yūki Yamato
  • Comment: I like the punchiness of ALT0, but I included alternate hooks with detail/specificity if it's too light.

Created/expanded by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 9[edit]

Harry Keen

  • Reviewed: WBOX (AM)
  • Comment: The original hook is probably his most significant discovery in the medical field, but the other hooks may be more interesting to a general audience.

Created/expanded by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough, seems neutral. Hooks check out, but they are supposed to each have a ref immediately after them in the text. ALT1 is probably the hookiest (the text might mention that 70% did). He "proceeded to sue Kenneth Clarke, then secretary of state for health, for abuse of public office" would be a topical hook if the text had it. Earwig has gone to bed so I will complete later. Johnbod (talk) 23:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Nellie Two Bear Gates

Created by Bowlcut2020 (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 22:57, 10 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. I am assuming good faith for the offline sources. No close paraphrasing was found, and a QPQ was provided. ALT1 isn't really interesting to a broad audience, although I'm open to a variant of ALT1 that drops the reservation mention and sticks to the mention of her Sioux name. I like ALT0 better, but the fact doesn't seem to be explicitly mentioned in the article, and from what I can tell only one of the three that explicitly uses the word "suitcase" (the other two works use the word "valise", which seems to be a relatively obscure term and I admit have never heard of prior to this nomination). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick review, Narutolovehinata5. I'd say the "obscurity" of the term is subjective. Valise redirects to suitcase. Does that help? We could say "...suitcase or valise..."
Also, I'm a bit unsure by your reasoning about ALT1 being uninteresting to broad audiences... is that a requirement, and if so, how is it measured? I feel like what makes hooks interesting is that they mention something from the article that you have to click to learn more. I would further counter that for this hook, since Standing Rock has garnered international attention in the past couple of years, that the hook is quite interesting to a broad audience simply for Gates being from there.
Pinging Bowlcut2020 in case they want to weigh-in. = paul2520 (talk) 00:33, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I meant to say that, as layperson who is not very familiar with Native American history or affairs, it's not a hook that would catch my attention, and the same would be likely for others with similar backgrounds. Personally I actually find the "Gathering of Clouds Woman" more interesting since at least it sounds like an unusual name, at least to the layman. As for the first hook, another issue is that the hook isn't exactly explicitly mentioned in the article (i.e. the hook only says that she has three works with these names, but nothing in the article that ties the names of the three together), and so the hook could arguably be considered synthesis, which is a shame since I personally think it's a good hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
How's this, Narutolovehinata5?
ALT2: ... that Nellie Two Bear Gates' work has been exhibited at the Smithsonian Institution, the Wheelwright Museum of the American Indian, and the Eiteljorg Museum?
= paul2520 (talk) 04:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
It sounds good, but personally I still prefer ALT0 (if the sourcing issue could be addressed) or the revision to ALT1 that I suggested. Though it might be a good idea to ask for a second opinion from another editor on what hook could be used. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Do you want to reach out to someone? Or do you think it is good to go? = paul2520 (talk) 01:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I personally think the article itself is good to go, just not sure on the choice of hooks. Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Second opinions would be greatly appreciated in this case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:03, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Yvonne Walker Keshick

Created by Paul2520 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:45, 9 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 10[edit]

Doux commerce

  • ... that the Enlightenment concept of doux commerce suggested that commerce civilizes people and can even eliminate violence? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=JiB9G2TiftIC&pg=PA141
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 10:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 11[edit]

Odette Abadi

Odette Abadi
Odette Abadi
  • ... that Odette Abadi (pictured) was a co-founder of Réseau Marcel which is credited with saving over 500 Jewish children from death? Odette Abadi

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:11, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Review in progress... Cowlibob (talk) 18:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

2000 Macau Grand Prix

Improved to Good Article status by MWright96 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Esther Tan

Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:06, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Limnological tower

Limnological tower at Rutland Water
Limnological tower at Rutland Water
  • ... that limnological towers (example pictured) can be used to predict algal blooms that may have an adverse effect on drinking water quality? "The main difficulties encountered when treating algal blooms in British reservoirs are recorded (Collingwood 1976) as being through filter blockages, reduced filter runs, taste and odour problems and through variable pH . The possibility of encountering similar problems at Rutland Water was therefore foreseen and after consultation with the Water Research Centre (W .R .A . 1971; Lack & Collingwood 1975) the design features previously described (Harper 1978), such as the provision of two draw-off towers with multiple draw-off levels and the limnological tower, were included to help deal with these problems ... Temperature, fluorescence and oxygen percentage saturation can be continuously monitored at 2m depth intervals on the limnological tower . The results are transmitted by telemetry to the Control Room below the dam and read on visual display units . This provides instantaneous information on thermocline formation and on vertical distribution of algae." from Ferguson, A. J. D.; Harper, D. M. (1 March 1982). "Rutland water phytoplankton: the development of an asset or a nuisance?". Hydrobiologia. 88 (1): 117–133. doi:10.1007/BF00008304. ISSN 1573-5117.

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 09:28, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Raji Jallepalli

Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 12[edit]

Chris Morocco

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:51, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

Anne Baxter on screen and stage

  • ... that actress Anne Baxter made her Broadway stage debut at the age of 13? Source: Washington Post [[25]] "She grew up in the suburbs of New York, and made her stage debut in 1936 in New York when she was 13 in the murder mystery "Seen But Not Heard."
    • ALT1:... that actress Anne Baxter's roles include an Egyptian princess, a ruthlessly ambitious understudy, and two villains in the 1960s Batman television series? Source: The Hollywood Reporter [[26]] "Anne Baxter is very good as the Egyptian princess", Roger Ebert [[27]], " Variety [[28]] "Anne Baxter walks off with perhaps the film's personal bit as the dipso", The New York Times [[29]] "The woman, far gone in melancholia, is more interested in strong drink." Paste [[30]] )
  • Comment: QPQ pending

5x expanded by Cowlibob (talk). Self-nominated at 17:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

BBC Radio Theatre

BBC Radio Theatre
BBC Radio Theatre

Created/expanded by MIDI (talk). Self-nominated at 13:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

  •  Comment: Seems a rather boring hook to me - if it were me, I'd go with the sound leakage, or David Bowie & Ed Sheeran. Johnbod (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Tom Chase

  • Reviewed: 1 William Street
  • Comment: ALT1 is probably too niche but I figured I'd include it anyways.

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:20, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 13[edit]

Barrie Marmion

Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC).

Special occasion holding area[edit]

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  1. ^ Hugh Synge The IUCN Plant Red Data Book: Comprising Red Data Sheets on 250 Selected ... , p. 241, at Google Books