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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
August 6 1 1
August 27 1
August 28 1
August 31 1 1
September 3 3 1
September 5 1
September 13 1
September 17 2 1
September 18 2 1
September 20 1
September 22 1 1
September 24 2 1
September 26 1
September 28 1
October 1 1 1
October 2 2
October 3 3 1
October 4 1
October 5 1 1
October 6 2
October 8 3 1
October 9 2
October 12 1 1
October 14 2
October 15 1
October 16 2 1
October 17 3 2
October 18 1 1
October 19 2 1
October 20 3
October 21 5 4
October 22 4
October 24 3 2
October 25 3 1
October 26 6 3
October 27 1 1
October 28 4 4
October 29 1 1
October 30 9 6
October 31 3 1
November 1 7 3
November 2 3 1
November 3 8 5
November 4 5 3
November 5 7 4
November 6 3 2
November 7 11 6
November 8 5 2
November 9 7 5
November 10 5 3
November 11 5 3
November 12 7 5
November 13 8 3
November 14 16 6
November 15 5 3
November 16 10 3
November 17 10 3
November 18 9 1
November 19 9 3
November 20 5 1
November 21 12 4
November 22 10 2
November 23 8 3
November 24 7 1
November 25 7 1
November 26 2
November 27 8 5
November 28 9
November 29 6
November 30
Total 302 121
Last updated 00:56, 30 November 2023 UTC
Current time is 01:42, 30 November 2023 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

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Frequently asked questions[edit]

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

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If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers[edit]

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
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    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

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  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

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      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on August 27[edit]

2023 Chicago Marathon

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  • alt0: ... that the two second-fastest marathoners ever ran in the 2023 Chicago Marathon? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
  • alt0a: ... that both the second-fastest male marathoner ever and the second-fastest female marathoner ever ran in the 2023 Chicago Marathon? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
    sources: 
       [1] https://archive.today/20230827231327/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a44632887/2023-chicago-marathon-full-fields/
    Chicago Marathon, to be held on October 8 ... defending champion Benson Kipruto of Kenya ... will be challenged by Kelvin Kiptum, also of Kenya, who is the second-fastest man in history. ... On the women's side [is] Ruth Chepngetich of Kenya, who just missed the world record at Chicago last year .... [links removed]
       [2] https://archive.today/20230827231305/https://www.worldathletics.org/news/report/chicago-marathon-2022-chepngetich-kipruto
    Chepngetich ... held on to finish in 2:14:18, the second-fastest time in history.
  • alt1: ... that one runner of the 2023 Chicago Marathon is the Chicago Marathon's millionth finisher? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
    source: https://archive.today/20230827231342/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a42200126/chicago-marathon-field-2023/
    one of the 2023 participants will cross the finish line as the Chicago Marathon's significant one-millionth finisher
    • reviewed: hotel normandie (new york city)
    • comment:
      in alt0, the two runners being referred to are kelvin kiptum, the second fastest male marathoner ever, and ruth chepng'etich, the second fastest female marathoner ever. "the two second-fastest marathoners ever" is admittedly an unusual way to word this. i thought it was somewhat quirky and avoids a bit of redundancy, but have also added alt0a if the wording seems inappropriate. i think the two second-fastest wheelchair marathoners ever are also planning to compete, but i haven't found reliable sources to support this yet.
      also, i believe i have coded the hooks so that the tenses will correctly update during the day of the race. i believe the race is scheduled to start at 12:30 utc, so the winners are first runner is likely to finish sometime between 14:30 and 14:35. i don't know when exactly the millionth finisher will finish the race, but it looks like it will take around 90 minutes for everyone to start the race, and the average marathon finish time is around 04:30 (four and a half hours), so i am using a finish time estimate of 17:45. also, the code for the hooks should replace "today's" with "the 2023" once the day is over (where "2023" is part of the link text, and "the" is not).
      update: welp, it looks like tigst assefa just destroyed the world record last weekend at berlin, making alt0 and alt0a no longer true, so i am striking them. (i think this is probably the best reason i have ever had for striking a hook.) alt1 remains valid. also, i have since learned from this source that more than 960,000 runners have finished the chicago marathon so far, and more than 47,000 are scheduled to run this year, so am adjusting my estimated finish time of the millionth finisher to 18:45 utc, based on the results of runners who finished in the 15th percentile last year, as seen here.
      i have also updated the {{DYK date request}} template. if you approve of the date request, please replace "approved=no" with "approved=yes". you can also use the optional "approvedby" parameter if you wish.
      i declare that i am not aware of having any conflict of interest with the 2023 chicago marathon.

created by dying (talk). self-nominated at 23:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC). [copyedited and added quotes. dying (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)] [struck alt0 and alt0a, and updated alt1 and comments. dying (talk) 21:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)] [struck date request and updated comment. dying (talk) 12:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)]Reply[reply]

  • Comment this race has now happened, and Kelvin Kiptum set the world record at this event. Would be good to have a hook related to the events of the race itself (since it's now happened). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:10, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
New enough, long enough. ALT1 short enough, sourced, and interesting. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQ done. I'd like to see the bare URLs formatted and the article and hook brought up to date before I approve this.--Launchballer 11:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
thanks for the comment, Joseph2302, and for the review, Launchballer. yes, i agree that this nomination needs an update.
i'm currently working on a proper update for both the article and the nomination. unfortunately, this may take some time, as i admittedly hadn't planned for the possibility of having this hook reviewed after the race. this might be just as well, as the article was recently linked from an itn blurb for a few days (though not as the bolded link, so the article remains eligible at dyk), so it may be better to delay posting this hook for a while anyway. dying (talk) 02:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, there are still bare URLs, and the article still seems out of date.--Launchballer 09:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
apologies for the delay! i have been working on an update, but i'm still not happy with it. i think, if i'm still not finished with it two weeks from now, i'll just post what i have, to avoid delaying this nomination any further. is that alright? dying (talk) 10:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure if that will be allowed due to the whole "articles are expected to be in a not-incomplete state" guideline, and an outdated article may not meet that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

welp, Launchballer, i am admittedly still working on the article, but i have posted what i have. thanks for being patient. hopefully, it is sufficiently updated enough for dyk purposes. if not, please let me know what i should address.

i think the most interesting thing about this race is that, had tigst not broken the women's world record two weeks before, the winning times in this race would have broken both the men's and women's world records. however, a hook focusing on this fact may seem almost regretful over tigst's achievement, so i ended up deciding against proposing such a hook.

i did notice that it seems like five course records were broken in this race: male runner, female runner, non-binary runner, male wheelchair athlete, and female wheelchair athlete. (i think no one has competed as a non-binary wheelchair athlete yet.) however, i couldn't find a source that explicitly states that the non-binary runner course record was broken, or even that a record of the fastest performance by a non-binary runner is kept as a course record. i did find a source that mentioned that the other four course records were broken, though.

Sifan Hassan
Sifan Hassan

alt2: ... that, during the 2023 Chicago Marathon (female winner pictured), four course records were broken?

source: https://archive.today/20231118084354/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a45444043/chicago-marathon-2023-results/
There were four course records set on a near-perfect day for racing in the Windy City.

as the fact that kiptum broke the world record was already featured at itn for several days, i thought i might avoid bringing it up again at dyk. however, i can propose a hook along those lines if you think it would be better than the ones i have already proposed. dying (talk) 12:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for updating the article. I see no further bare URLs or tense issues, so I could approve this with ALT1. However, I'm fairly sure that the non-binary runner would come under WP:CALC, so "five course records" were broken. If you'd prefer that hook to run, please propose it; otherwise I'll approve this.--Launchballer 13:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Launchballer, that's very kind of you to offer. i am admittedly hesitant because i don't think this falls under the wp:calc exception. though i believe caswell's performance was the best ever by a runner in the chicago marathon's non-binary division, i am having trouble finding any evidence that the chicago marathon, or any reliable source, treats this performance as a course record. (during the race, jeannie rice set the marathon world record for the masters w75 division, i.e., women between the ages of 75 and 79, though i assume the chicago marathon does not treat this as a course record.)
it's possible that not reporting caswell's performance as a course record is just an oversight. catherine debrunner set a course record at the 2022 berlin marathon, though the statistics page on the berlin marathon's web site did not initially reflect this. (this was later corrected.) incidentally, that same page, updated after the 2023 race, appears to show that the berlin marathon does not list a non-binary performance amongst its course records.
now that i'm thinking about it more, however, i realize that, by ignoring what could be considered a fifth course record, i may be inadvertently excluding non-binary runners from the hook simply because i couldn't find a source that reported caswell's performance as a course record. as the issue is potentially controversial, i was thinking of asking for further community input at wt:dyk, to see whether it would be better to mention that four course records were set, or five. would that be alright with you? dying (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It may be worth asking at WT:DYK.--Launchballer 09:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on August 28[edit]

Mario Party DS

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Improved to Good Article status by The Green Star Collector (talk). Self-nominated at 00:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mario Party DS; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: @The Green Star Collector: Good article, but

  • "Mario Party DS was succeeded by Mario Party 9 for the Wii in 2012. The game was rereleased on the Virtual Console for the Wii U in 2016."

and

  • "By September 2015, Mario Party DS had sold over 9 million units worldwide, making it the eleventh best-selling game for the Nintendo DS."

Don't seem to be verified by their citations. I also can't find what verifies the hook nor what verifies what citation 19 cites but maybe that's just me being dumb. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Was planning to review this so I'll just leave this as a comment. I have to disagree with OGJ here that the original hook is interesting. Well, it probably is to video game fans like myself who may be familiar with Hudson Soft, but for people not into video games, it's not really that interesting. Are there any other possible options here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would say there's no point in continuing this nomination, as it has now been over a month since the article was promoted to good article status. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 02:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's not how it works though. As long as the nomination was made within seven days of promotion to GA status, the nomination can continue even if the review takes longer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:07, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. The citation is supposed to indicate that every installment after Mario Party DS is developed by NDcube rather than Hudson Soft or simply "Hudson". Whether the hook is interesting or not is more of a subjective issue, and I'm not sure how it would be improved. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 15:24, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perhaps a different hook, like something unusual or eyecatching regarding game mechanics, may work? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@The Green Star Collector: Would you like to propose a couple of different hooks? This allows reviewers to indicate which one(s) they think are the best ones. Z1720 (talk) 16:58, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Z1720: That's a good idea. I actually just thought of another hook viewers might find interesting: that all of the minigames feature the characters competing at a much smaller size, coinciding with the events of the game's story mode. However, I'm not sure what would be the best/most interesting way to praise this. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Drive by intervention but, here's some formalised version of ★ The Green Star Collector ★'s above suggestion:

ALT1: ...that Mario Party DS's minigames feature the characters competing at a much smaller size? Source: https://www.giantbomb.com/mario-party-ds/3030-21186/

ALT2: ...that Mario Party DS's minigames feature "minimized" characters? Source: https://www.giantbomb.com/mario-party-ds/3030-21186/

-Bogger (talk) 20:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bogger: I really like the second option; it sounds interesting, and it's technically true, as the characters are shrunk with a device called the Minimizer. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging Onegreatjoke and User:Narutolovehinata5, in the hopes that one of them can weigh in on the proposed ALT hooks and perhaps complete the review. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • New reviewer needed to weigh in on proposed ALT hooks and complete the review; no response to previous request in over a week. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 3[edit]

25 Water Street

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55 Water Street
55 Water Street

There's an ALT hook I don't particularly encourage and haven't included as an option, but some sources claim that the building's design, including its narrow windows, was based on a punched card. This sounds too dumb to actually be true, though, so seems more like local lore repeated. Created by SnowFire (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by SnowFire (talk) at 05:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/25 Water Street; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @SnowFire and Epicgenius: New and long enough, Earwig detects no copyvios, QPQ done. What sources talk about the punched-card-like design? It's healthy to be skeptical, but if multiple sources say that and none explicitly question it, it shouldn't be excluded in the article since that's a form of original research. It would actually make a good hook. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 21:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I guess that's the penalty for mentioning it... [1] (same source as above) says "It was designed to look like a punch card and housed telecommunications offices and equipment", [2] says "The building was designed in the 1960s to look like a punched card, as a nod to the tech and telecommunications offices it housed" (a sentence so similar it might have been directly based on the Gothamist article). That said, we have editorial discretion here. These are two random sentences that could well be the result of a game of journalistic telephone. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources, and while I agree that it'd be cool to include if it true, I'm really not sold on it being true yet. Meanwhile, "biggest in the US" seems like a, well, bigger fact for a hook anyway. I'll go ahead and email the journalists and see if they are interested in responding as to where this fact came from, but even if it ends up included in the article, I'd personally lean toward the original hook anyway. SnowFire (talk) 22:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is not an extraordinary claim, it seems quite reasonable that an architect would design a building in this way. Also, we don't have "editorial discretion" on Wikipedia, which would be original research, but we do assess whether sources are reliable or not. If those two sources aren't good enough for you, have you tried to find a contemporaneous source on the building's design (Newspapers.com is useful for this, which is free for experienced Wikipedians), or even one from an architecture-specific publication? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 03:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SnowFire and Antony-22: Just chiming in briefly, but newspapers.com doesn't have comprehensive coverage of Manhattan topics between the 1930s and the present; I'd say Newsday and the New York Daily News are the only two major publications on newspapers.com that cover Manhattan. The search results aren't great, since "4 New York Plaza" (the building's original address) is used on tons of advertisements and notices, including those for the Daily News which had offices there. However, I did find this source, which honestly has a ton of info that could be added to the article, including the windows' exact dimensions and the reasoning for the relative lack of windows. Epicgenius (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yep, that sounds about right and as expected, it was to make air conditioning more efficient not a weird fancy about punch cards. I've integrated the source; a great find! (Although as a side note, the article mentions that the "contract price" was 2.4 million under estimate - but that's kinda vague. Whose estimate? Who got the saved money - the architecture firm, the building owners, someone else?) SnowFire (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also did some searching myself and didn't find anything contemporaneous about a punch card design. This was the most relevant source I found, which interestingly says that the bricks we chosen to blend with surrounding 19th-century structures, all of which were soon demolished anyway. Hook checks out, so this is good to go. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 20:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(de-indent) Nice find! I've integrated the 1979 source as well on the bricks. SnowFire (talk) 23:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pulled from queue after this discussion at Errors:

  • ... that the largest office-to-residential building conversion in the United States is underway at 25 Water Street?
    It sounds like spin, doesn't it? Two references for the hook. One (Gothamist) has the disclaimer "according to its owners", the other a site called New York YIMBY says it's the largest "per unit count". I expect this also comes from the developers. According to this these are only plans awaiting approval, and the large number of units would involve some units without bedroom windows (which isn't allowed in New York). We shouldn't be stating this as fact in wikivoice. Secretlondon (talk) 16:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The latter source from August 2023 says that the developers "have announced plans" for a building conversion. I share your concern and suggest we pull the hook. Premeditated Chaos, is that ok with you? Schwede66 17:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Not a problem, I'm sorry I missed it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll put the nomination back into the unapproved pile. Ping Secretlondon and Premeditated Chaos for info. Schwede66 23:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I think the existing hook is fine. Of course it's sourced to the owners - but that is the nature of a planned change, and this would seem a very difficult thing to "lie" about. Describing this as merely "announced plans" is wildly misleading - I can literally see the workers going at it, and there are pictures in the article of the renovation underway. It is not a planned renovation, it is a currently underway renovation. There was a $536 million loan to make this go. It's happening.
  • The Debevois source brought up by Secretlondon says: Though zoning regulations and building code hurdles remain, including density restrictions and the requirement of windows in bedrooms, Mayor Adams has pledged to reexamine some of these restrictions. This is nothing like saying that the renovation won't still happen and be the largest in the United States. It just means that there will be challenges in the future. I suppose the argument is that this is the largest office-to-residential conversion by unit count, and maybe the zoning regulations will require fewer, larger apartments, to compensate the window problem... but I'm still not sold that even in this possible scenario, it's a major problem with the hook. It's just... thought experiment. Suppose a total disaster happens and 25 Water ends up unfinished and abandoned like the Ryugyong Hotel. Then this hook would still be accurate in retrospect, IMO. That would mean that someone tried to do the largest office-to-residential conversion, it was indeed underway circa 2023, but it failed. The same should be true if zoning regulations require reshuffling of how many apartments get stuffed in.
  • I'm open to suggestions, but per above, the hook is accurately describing the current situation as stated in reliable sources, with the usual proviso that we don't have a crystal ball to see the future. But that's true of lots of hooks. SnowFire (talk) 00:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't know how to move forward here. I actually dislike overly promotional hooks myself at DYK but disagree this in particular was a promotional hook (you can't buy condos or rent there yet!). This isn't the kind of meaningless critical babble like "Did you know Some Reviewer said Some Media Work was Totally Badass". There was nothing wrong with the original hook and I don't see a better one. I'll ping Secretlondon again - do you agree with the argument above? If not, what would make this hook qualify in your view to avoid controversy? I stated my case a long time ago above, but if I did find a brave person ready to promote again, I don't want just another trip back to ERRORS. SnowFire (talk) 08:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • The original hook failed at Errors, so I have struck it. Attempting to put it through again simply isn't going to fly, and will result in another trip back to Errors. If another hook cannot be proposed, then this nomination cannot proceed, and will be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Epicgenius: Do you want to take over this and propose another hook? I honestly thought this had already closed permanently and didn't realize this was still considered live. I remain utterly baffled that a claim that is barely promotional at all (is number of apartments really a selling point? Wouldn't a promotional hook be more about how luxurious and fantastic it'd be?) is considered promotional, so therefore I'm unable to really fix this, because apparently any fact about the building is promotional or something. If you don't have any ideas either then we can just let it close, but up to you. (I mean, I guess I could go for a negative fact like the criticized windows, but that doesn't appear fair either, or really interesting.) SnowFire (talk) 04:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Sure. I can propose something like:
      • ALT2: ... that 25 Water Street was designed to blend in with historic brick buildings that no longer exist? Tauranac, John (1979). Essential New York : A Guide to the History and Architecture of Manhattan's Important Buildings, Parks, and Bridges. Holt, Rinehart and Winston. pp. 226–227.
      • ALT3: ... that parts of 25 Water Street had few windows to make it easier to air-condition computers? Dixon, John Morris (January–February 1970). "Bulwark In Lower Manhattan". Architectural Forum. Vol. 132, no. 1. pp. 62–67.
    • Maybe I can take a stab at expanding the page a bit if these don't work out. Epicgenius (talk) 05:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele)

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Created by ElijahPepe (talk). Self-nominated at 18:39, 5 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: ElijahPepe, great work. Thank you for creating this much-needed article on a cultural landmark of the 21st century. I had to check a few times that this article didn't already exist - I struggled to believe it. It is very well written and very well sourced. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: In the article I am not sure the youtube video should be where it is per MOS:LAYOUT. Also I think we need to attribute the quotes in the hook. Bruxton (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure where you're getting either from. The placement of the videos is fine and the quote has been attributed. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don’t mind re MOS:LAYOUT, but it isn’t a requirement for DYK. The article is up for GA, so should be covered there.
On the quote, it is inline attributed in the article. I don’t think it needs to be inline attributed in the hook, partly because it encourages clicks, but mainly because the statement is “sky is blue”, as most Key&Peele sketches are about this topic. What we could do is reword, remove the quotation marks, and replace the dual identity with a link to the article Double consciousness. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: I mentioned MOS:LAYOUT as FYI. But the quotation in the hook is from the podcast Code Switch. Maybe @Theleekycauldron: can help? Bruxton (talk) 14:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(here by request) NPR is reliable for its opinion, and constitutes due weight, but the hook will need to be attributed :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here is an option...
@Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: What do you both think? Bruxton (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sounds good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:19, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK here. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think this hook could use more work. Even within the confines of DYKFICTION, we have secondary analysis of some of the sketch's distinctive quotes:

Qin also highlights the word choice used by Garvey, contrasting his slang with his use of words such as "insubordinate and churlish", "mischievous and deceitful", and "chicanerous and deplorable", the lattermost use of "chicanery" being an attempt to use parallelism.

This is an interesting and famous sketch, but the current hook doesn't even clearly express what it is. Could we experiment with something off the analysis of the sketch's language? Vaticidalprophet 04:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I also gotta scratch my head at the submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Sommer Ray as a QPQ. I know this is annoying, since we assume in good faith that anyone that writes a full review has done one, but not writing a full review (in this case, only the QPQ and hook were checked) can't count, especially when the article was subsequently maintenance tagged. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'll also throw in my suggestion, the result of workshopping between myself, Vati, and Elijah at different times:
  • ALT1: ... that the Key & Peele sketch "Substitute Teacher" juxtaposes language like "insubordinate and churlish" with slang?
Given that it's a secondary interpretation of the plot, I think it clears the DYKFICTION bar. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onceinawhile: As the original reviewer, can you evaluate the new ALT hooks above? Z1720 (talk) 18:37, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am not a fan of ALT1, as it is quite tangential to the topic. How about:
  • ALT2: …that the Key & Peele sketch "Substitute Teacher" has been analyzed for its racial commentary and educational insight?
I think it will surprise readers in a positive way. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ElijahPepe: Thoughts on ALT2? Z1720 (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

for ALT2 above. Z1720 (talk) 20:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 5[edit]

India national football team at the Asian Games

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India national team after defeating South Korea in the final of 1962 Asiad at Senayan Main Stadium, Jakarta.
India national team after defeating South Korea in the final of 1962 Asiad at Senayan Main Stadium, Jakarta.

Created by Drat8sub (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/India national football team at the Asian Games; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Drat8sub: You have waited a long time for this to be reviewed, so I apologize on behalf of the community that it took as long as it has for someone to pick up this DYK nomination for review. You're good without a QPQ as I take it on good-faith that this is your first nom. You far exceeded the minimum size requirement and got the nom in before a week had elapsed following the publication of the article. The article is well-sourced; I did not do a GA-level review of the sources but my spot-checking suggests that you've done a good job. The images, by nature of their age and Indian law, all appear to be in the public domain (that I did check more thoroughly). The biggest issue is a minor one, but one that will temporarily stall the nom: Earwig picked up some issues with using the same terminology as one source (see here). Just rephrase those sentences so that they aren't identical with the source and I think I'll be able to approve! ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pbritti:, I've rephrased the copyvios except this phrase, "...towards the end of 1980". I don't know what to write instead. Rest all, I think is ok. Drat8sub (talk) 06:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pbritti:, hello mate, are you around here? Drat8sub (talk) 13:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Due to some access trouble, I'm going to mark this as an AGF approval, but I think it's good to go! Nom'd image is also approved. Failed to address that earlier, if it was present in my initial review. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:25, 15 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pbritti:, thanks for the review. Is there anything needed from my end for the process to complete or it is automatically be done by any admin ?
  • Drat8sub, the prose of the article is fairly low-quality. There are numerous grammatical/spelling mistakes, and many instances of MOS:WTW. Please consider improving the article, either by yourself or with the help of WP:GOCE. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29:, thanks for the review. I've have corrected all the spelling mistakes and some of the grammatical mistakes. However, for DYK, the article need not to go through GOCE which is primarily for a GA or FA which I don't intend to do right now but I have a plan for that too. Again, for DYK, GA or FA is not required. Since you have improved many article to GA and FA, I can sense your intention of improving article to the best quality and I assure I will do so but after the DYK. I want to point out, the nomination follows all the criteria per WP:DYKRULES, improvement of the article to a quality article like GA and FA is the objective or aim of DYK per WP:DYKAIM, not the requirement. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 13:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Drat8sub, having promoted hundreds of articles, most of which were not even GA standard, I am aware that GA and FA is not required for DYK. However, per WP:DYKCOMPLETE, there is an expectation that articles should be presentable. At a glance, the article has an issue with missing out or unnecessarily including definite articles (e.g. at midpoint, since been the part of every edition, As per draw, the winner of Iran versus Burma match, earned the praise, becoming first ever Asian Champion, Hong Kong was third seeded team, etc.).
There are also numerous tense mistakes, grammatical errors and instances where the prose is unclear (e.g. but sanction was taken in advance from FIFA, who lobbed the ball with in six yard box towards Mewalal who shoot the ball, But Indian forward dou, who took a scorching shoot, this time Venkatesh made the ball in possession of Mewalal who shoot the ball, and full packed stadium of 25,000 spectators, three definite goal shot, the draws for the Football tournament, Idonesia, will participate...will play...is increased...would be played, Japan's only managed two, However, o 3 May 1954, which resulted India's early exit from the tournament, etc.).
And I have only seen up to the end of the 1954 section.
I know that if I promoted this article to the queue in this state, I would be excoriated at WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS—hence, I suggested you ask GOCE, which is not solely for GA/FA assessments, or a copyeditor to improve the prose. I hope you see my reasoning. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:48, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, fine...I'm requesting at GOCE. Will let you know once the article is refined. Drat8sub (talk) 17:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 13[edit]

SPICES (Scouting)

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Created by Bogger (talk). Self-nominated at 14:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/SPICES (Scouting); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • I am afraid this article requires additional work, Bogger. Although it is technically long enough, much of it is due to the lead, which summarizes the rest of the article; and a section has been tagged as incomplete since September. Furthermore, I am concerned about the sources: for example, I do not see where citation #4 verifies the sentence. The article relies almost exclusively on sources which are not "independent of the subject", which throws into question the subject's notability and the article's neutrality. Surtsicna (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bogger: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Surtsicna:I've removed the incomplete template, and added more sources. Happy to let this nomination go due to the sources being two dependent/inter-related. Thanks for the review -Bogger (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 17[edit]

Mel Bartholomew

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A basic, 4x4, 16-unit square-foot garden
A basic, 4x4, 16-unit square-foot garden

Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mel Bartholomew; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General eligibility:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was nominated on 27 Sep, which I think is ten days after it was moved to mainspace, but I'm prepared to let it through if the promoter agrees to bend the rules.

  • Sources - all good, taking the NYT ones on AGF as I cannot read them. Reference 5 needs tidying up, it is a bare URL and needs converting to cite news template or similar, with a date.
  • "Square" of square foot gardening has been capitalised in places in the article - it shouldn't be, going by the style in the linked article about it (and therefore also needs lowercasing in hook).
  • Hook - I was actually able to read the paywalled NYT ref through Earwig (forgot about that as a trick!) but it reports the quote as "I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheel barrel". That's a bit odd (I've never heard of a wheel barrel) but is apparently a common mistake in English according to Google so is possibly an accurate quote....can you confirm if original article says wheel barrow or barrel?

Otherwise all good, and I find the GIF eye-catching. DrThneed (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC) DrThneed (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Thriley: Have the above been addressed? Z1720 (talk) 18:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am going to make a new hook that flows a bit better. Thriley (talk) 03:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thriley: Have you been able to propose that new hook yet? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT1 that Mel Bartholomew, who developed the time-saving Square foot gardening method, said that he gardened "with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow"? Thriley (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Source: "He said of his philosophy, “I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow.”"Reply[reply]

Have you fixed other issues noted in my review, Thriley? The s of square foot should not be capitalised (affects hook) and a ref format needs fixing. Otherwise OK. DrThneed (talk) 08:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thriley: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yup. All has been fixed up. Thriley (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging reviewer DrThneed to return to this review when they can to see whether all issues have been addressed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on September 18[edit]

Shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman

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  • ... that six years after Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her mother and a judge friend both committed suicide? Source: But on Aug. 10, 2022, Connie Land committed suicide with a single bullet ending her misery. Then, on Jan. 20, Andress-Tobiasson, 55, joined her friend in death when she shot herself at her $2 million Vegas mansion. [3]
    • ALT1: ... that after Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her family publicized the unsolved case on digital billboards? Source: Since the killings, the Land family has spoken to local and national reporters, and even placed Sydney’s portrait on electronic billboards in the Las Vegas area. [4]
    • ALT2: ... that a Las Vegas judge who was forced to resign over her involvement in the investigation of the shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman later committed suicide? Source: A former Las Vegas judge who resigned from her elected position in 2021 to settle a state ethics and discipline investigation has died, according to authorities. The Clark County coroner’s office confirmed Saturday that Melanie Andress Tobiasson, 55, died Friday from a gunshot wound. The coroner ruled the death a suicide, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. [5]
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Selene Mahri
    • Comment: Although I submitted 3 hooks, I support the promotion of either ALT0 or ALT2, being that they appear to be more compelling than ALT1. On second thought, I think each hook has its merits, so I have no preference. StonyBrook babble 14:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Created by StonyBrook (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Article meets new requirements at the time of nomination and is long enough. Citation is verifiable and I see no glaring errors in the article. Good work! I recommend ALT0, but suggest changing the details a bit to specify that the judge was related to the case (which makes the events more shocking): "that six years after Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her mother and a judge involved with the case both committed suicide?" Panini! • 🥪 19:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks for that review Panini! Based on your input, may I propose the following for ALT0, with slight stylistic changes (feel free to provide any additional feedback): ... that six years after Sydney Land and her boyfriend were shot to death, both her mother and a judge friend who got involved in the investigation committed suicide? StonyBrook babble 08:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Approve the modified alt. Kudos for tackling such a subject! Panini! • 🥪 19:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @StonyBrook, Panini!, and AirshipJungleman29: This one got bumped back at errors – ping when issues are resolved :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:36, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Theleekycauldron, Panini!, and AirshipJungleman29: per the feedback at errors, I went ahead and excised the deprecated sources from the article, and modified the text to reflect existing sources. If you examine the above diff, you will see that I also added some information, such as regarding the manner of death, and related events that occurred on October 8. Regarding problems raised with the hook, may I suggest the following modification to ALT0, which is also under the character limit: ... that six years after Sydney Land and her boyfriend were shot to death, both her mother and a judge friend who took an interest in the investigation were found dead of gunshot wounds? StonyBrook babble 03:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @StonyBrook: I would venture that the Toronto Sun is, as a sensationalist tabloid, also not a reliable source. I'd also be concered about whether the incident is notable if it doesn't have significant non-local coverage in RSes, but one thing at a time. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@StonyBrook: Please address the Toronto Sun concern above. Z1720 (talk) 01:26, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While I am not from Canada, it is not at all clear to me that TS should be characterized as a tabloid instead of simply as a broadsheet. I don't think it would be correct to place it in the same basket as the British tabloids. After reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 265 § Is Toronto Sun a reliable source?, I don't see any indication there that TS cannot be used for regular news reporting. There is probably a good reason why TS is not listed at WP:RSP, and not even mentioned at WP:THESUN for that matter. And most of the facts presented in this source have been reported in other sources cited in the article. StonyBrook babble 05:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on September 20[edit]

Wad el-Mahi

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Created by FuzzyMagma (talk) and Chomik1129 (talk). Nominated by FuzzyMagma (talk) at 19:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wad el-Mahi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment: I believe the temperature conversion is incorrect, the conversion is basing this off is when 1 degrees Celsius is the atmospheric temperature but the difference between 1 C and 2 C is not 34 F. 34 F is simply when the temperature is 1 C, so this should probably be adjusted. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
good catch. Fixed FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
works for me FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: While I would very much like to review this and pass it, I'm not happy abut the sourcing, the lack of secondary source coverage about the "locality" (what is it, an area, a town, a city), and the fact that this article wouldn't have qualified for DYK if content from 2022–2023 Blue Nile clashes wasn't added, although it is debatable if that article was used at all, as the content is rewritten entirely to seem fresh and different. So let's assume that this meets WP:DYKLEN, we have 1122 char. about the Blue Nile State and 1188 char. about this topic, even though the material from the Blue Nile appears to have been fully rewritten. Like I said, I want to pass this, but seeing the statistics and the lack of secondary sources, I would probably fail this even if it meets the letter of WP:DYKLEN. What would make me change my mind is to see more content and sourcing about the "locality" (whatever that means). And let's be clear, if it has 100k people living there, it's a certainty that a lot more can be said about this place. What kind of food/dishes/cuisine/specialties are they known for? What are the local religions? Do they have a notable form of music or dance? What is the local industry, agricultural products, and types of cattle raised? Handicrafts and entertainment, such as games, leisure, and recreation? Were there or are there now, native flora and fauna? Famous archaeological sites of interest? Museums? What is the locality known for most of all, historically? Viriditas (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Viriditas: thanks for the review and your questions are really good questions to ask, and I truly wish that I can write about the place culture and include more information about that region beside war but I could not find resources about the locality's culture online. I hope this changes in the future FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Issues above have been addressed. Recent copyedits fixed additional issues. Article was moved from draftspace and submitted at DYK, and while it met the bare threshold for length at the time of the nomination, I feel that the recent expansion brought it well over that threshold, exceeding the bare requirements for DYK. The sourcing meets these requirements, and the article is neutral and copyvio-free. Earwig did identify minor close wording that is difficult to avoid, and while it probably didn't need to be rewritten, I did so anyway just to be safe, in case there were any future objections. The hook is cited from the source, which I checked, and the temperature conversion problem noted above was fixed. Map image is freely licensed and the QPQ was completed. Either ALT0 or ALT1 are fine. Commentary: As both an editor and a reader, I appreciate the time and energy FuzzyMagma puts into Africa-related topics. When I first started editing, I tried to work in this subject area and found it one of the most challenging. Thank you again for sticking with it. Viriditas (talk) 20:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reopening per WT:DYK#Temperature -- a new hook is needed. This has been bumped twice (queue to prep, then another prep) and the WTDYK conversation has stalled. Pinging participants: Art LaPella, Viriditas, FuzzyMagma, Chomik1129, AirshipJungleman29, Schwede66. Vaticidalprophet 22:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Vaticidalprophet, FuzzyMagma previously proposed ALT2: ... that a large amount of hashish, known locally as "bango", was seized in Wad el-Mahi in 2023?" Source. I think it checks out. Viriditas (talk) 23:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BlueMoonset: I am the nominator who suggested the hook in the talk here and Viriditas is the reviewer, so you don’t need an additional one FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FuzzyMagma, as Viriditas did not complete their review with a tick, we need someone to do a review and, if it's ready, pass both hook and the nomination. Hence my request. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Regrettably, given the close paraphrasing issues raised at WT:DYK#coda, which have not yet been addressed, it would be premature to call for a reviewer at this time. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Rjjiii, do FuzzyMagma's edits of a few days ago address the copyvio/close paraphrasing issues you raised at WT:DYK#coda, or are there still problems remaining? Thank you for your posts there, and hopefully here as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 24[edit]

Die Kuranten

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5x expanded by Kazamzam (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Die Kuranten; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Not a review, but you might want to link the target article from your proposed hook. Schwede66 19:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Still not a review, but I've been wondering where "Die" in the title comes from. It's a definite article in German, but the Dutch don't use that. I'm wondering whether your reading of this German source somehow convinced you that the title should be Die Kuranten. Because if that's the case, well that's the source of your error / misunderstanding. Schwede66 21:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Schwede66:, thank you for your comment, I have linked the target article. To your second point, I didn't name or create the article. The Die of the title is the Yiddish definite plural article, although it is more commonly written today as di (Yiddish: די). Given that it's a Yiddish-language paper that seems appropriate, particularly different that the title is Kuranten (a plural noun) and that there are two forms of the publication, one published on Tuesdays and one on Fridays. It is also a title that has been used for the publication in English-language print since, per Google Books, 1985, if not earlier. I don't see how this is pertinent to the scope of the DYK review but I hope this clarifies your misunderstanding. Kazamzam (talk) 01:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thanks. The target article is supposed to be linked in bold font. And given that it's a newspaper, it should be in italics, too, as per MOS:NAMESANDTITLES. Good to have clarified that "Die" is a definite article in Yiddish. It's not strictly necessary as part of the DYK review to sort out naming issues, but in a roundabout way, it is. When an article is on the main page, it gets thousands of eyes on it and if it's wrong, somebody will no doubt come along and fix it. Firstly, there's WP:DEFINITE and that suggests that "Die" shouldn't be part of the title. Chances are that someone will move the article while it's on the main page, and that would trigger WP:MPNOREDIRECT. Hence the item would turn up at WP:ERRORS, as only admins can fix redirects on the main page. As such, it's best to ensure that the title is correct before we put something up via DYK. With that in mind, do you believe that the article should be moved?
  • And given that I'm commenting on all sorts of issues, I might as well do a proper review of this nomination. Schwede66 01:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't think it needs to be changed given there are exceptions to WP:DEFINITE and one of these is The New York Times. Since the guideline explicitly mentions that newspapers are an exception to this, I think the current title is okay. I will double check in the archival material to confirm and get back to you. Thank you for your other suggestions and for being thorough. Kazamzam (talk) 01:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's absolutely not a problem to leave it the way it is. In that case, I will move-protect it for the time that it's on the main page – problem solved. Schwede66 02:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Expansion started yesterday and the article has gone from a short paragraph to a lot of prose; it's plenty long enough. The language is neutral. Referencing is not sufficient; I have tagged all paragraphs that are uncited but there is more content that ought to be referenced apart from those three instances. Earwig is clean. There is one prior DYK credit, hence a QPQ is not required. I cannot sign off on the hook; the source talks about the oldest known Yiddish newspaper in the world whereas the hook says the oldest Jewish newspaper – those are different things. The hook is easy to fix; referencing will require a bit more work. Schwede66 02:37, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thank you for your review. I have added references for each of your tags but I agree there could be more - the majority of the information came from the Pach thesis (2014) and I didn't want to over-cite the same source but there are limited references because it's such a niche topic. I will continue working on this throughout the week.
The question of 'oldest Yiddish' vs. 'oldest Jewish' is contentious, but I think the sentence I have moved to the lede and the accompanying references make an argument for why this is the case, as opposed to Gazeta de Amsterdam. That is the oldest Yiddish publication is, as far as I have seen, undisputed in the scholarly literature and I am fine updating the hook to reflex that as more neutral language that would not be disputed. Kazamzam (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The way we deal with DYK hooks is that we propose alternatives as ALTx. If you’ve got a different wording in mind, please write it down as ALT1. Don’t amend hooks previously proposed. Schwede66 15:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kazamzam: Do you have any ALT hooks you would like to propose below? Z1720 (talk) 19:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kazamzam: has not responded to the ping above, even though they have been editing on Wikipedia. I am marking this as rejected unless they or another editor wishes to proceed with this nomination and propose additional hooks below. Z1720 (talk) 17:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Z1720:: thank you for your message. I would like to keep the hook as the original 'oldest Jewish newspaper' as I feel that this is supported by the references currently in the article. Is it possible to keep the submission with the original hook, particularly if I include more references?

I will say that, while I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner to your original ping, I was rather put off from continuing with this nomination by the comments above which were quite condescending. It seemed to imply that I didn't know basic information (i.e. the correct definite article) about the topic that I was proposing for a DYK despite having done hours of research and reading on it which the reviewer, if I may presume, has not; the mistaken suggestion about WP:DEFINITE, etc. My first experience with DYK for Wagner Natural Area was very positive and the reviewer was really helpful, so it was surprising to get these comments that did not seem intended to improve the article at all. Best, Kazamzam (talk) 18:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kazamzam: I have removed the rejected symbol above. I won't comment on the Die concern, but I think the intention was to figure out if it should be included or not. I think the Jewish/Yiddish concern is that the informaiton from the hook does not match the source used to verify the information: This needs to be addressed before this hook can be approved. If any wording is changed from the hook, please do not change the proposed hook above but instead post a new suggestion below as "ALT1" (this helps reviewers follow the discussion. Feel free to ping me if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 19:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When you refer to the comments above which were quite condescending, you can only mean my initial queries. I have looked over that once more and fail to see why that could be perceived as condescending. I asked questions, gave a reason why I asked those questions (I note that in the German source that I quoted, it says "Die Kuranten", i.e. the definite article was not part of the newspaper's name as it wasn't included in italics), and you replied with a good explanation. Problem solved. Isn't that a totally normal part of editor interaction? Schwede66 01:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The very first sentence of the article states that it is a Yiddish-language periodical, not a German or Dutch one. You assumed that I had an "error/misunderstanding" and had been mistakenly convinced by one article, rather than the possibility that you were not familiar with this subject. And that's a surprising assumption to make, given that a) you seem to be unfamiliar with Yiddish definite articles, otherwise the grammar of Die in the title would have immediately be clear and b) I effectively rewrote this article from scratch which would require me to know basic information like the name. If you had asked why the article was Die, rather than assuming right away that I had a misunderstanding about the most basic part of an article I spent hours writing, I would have gladly explained that without any hard feelings. That would have been a totally normal part of editor interaction. Kazamzam (talk) 04:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This needs a different reviewer. I won't be signing off on the "oldest Jewish newspaper" claim as I stated above. Somebody else might be happy with the sources. I asked for an ALT hook but nothing's been forthcoming. Schwede66 20:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 26[edit]

The Story Teller (painting)

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Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 08:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Story Teller (painting); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment only - Please convert the money out of just crore, per MOS:CRORE. I suspect this should be "highest-priced modern Indian artwork", and what work is "globally" doing in the sentence? Johnbod (talk) 00:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. Thanks RV (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: @RAJIVVASUDEV:
    • Convention is to refer to subsequent use of the artist's name as "Sher-Gil". This can be observed in the sources, as well as in Wikipedia:Biography dos and don'ts: "Use full name in the first sentence, and surname after." However, there may be exceptions to this, and if I'm missing it here, let me know. Viriditas (talk) 00:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • You don't refer to years or dates. For one of many examples, you write, The Story Teller set a record as the highest-priced Indian artwork globally. When was this? Also, see the body of the article where you don't mention any time periods. A few examples: in the description section, you don't mention when the setting of the painting was supposed to take place. Is it 1937 as we are meant to assume? Also, you mention that Raza's Gestation set a new record. When was this? Viriditas (talk) 00:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • English Wikipedia generally doesn't use "Overview" sections, as section 0, the lead, is supposed to be an overview. There are many alternative descriptions to choose from. Viriditas (talk) 00:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Although not necessary, as a matter of convenience, it is helpful to provide an external link to the painting somewhere in the article. For example:
      External image
      image icon The Story Teller, 1937, oil on canvas, Private collection
    • Articles like this one say the painting "fetched a staggering $7.45 million". It might be helpful for English Wikipedia readers to see that amount in dollars, such Rs 61.8 crore ($7.45 million) Viriditas (talk) 00:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Needs fresh review. Viriditas (talk) 21:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Will review...Whispyhistory (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
New enough, long enough, no copyvio issues. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:50, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Whispyhistory: Is this okay now? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
QPQ provided. The proposed hooks might be okay if they state that the record is price at auction as of September 2023. The article was very focussed on the price. I was pleased to see RAJIVVASUDEV create it, and I have enjoyed reading about the painting.. hence expanded it. Please feel free to adjust or add alts.
ALT2 ... that Amrita Sher-Gil's multimillion dollar painting The Story Teller depicts a man peeping at a baby cow nosing among a group of village women performing menial tasks?
ALT3 ... that The Story Teller by Amrita Sher-Gil, depicting a group of Indian village women performing ordinary tasks, fetched $7.45 million at auction in 2023?
ALT4 ... that The Story Teller is the highest-priced modern Indian artwork to sell at auction in India as of September 2023? based on original hooks Whispyhistory (talk) 07:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Whispyhistory: Thanks for the review and the suggested hooks. ALT3 is interesting and also provides the required information. Regards RV (talk) 07:47, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I added commas and a space and "that". Viriditas (talk) 00:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New reviewer needed for the ALT hooks proposed above. Z1720 (talk) 01:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 28[edit]

Hoàng Thị Minh Hồng

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Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hoang Thi Minh Hong; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Chidgk1: New enough and long enough. QPQ present. I think the article needs more prose work as it is awkward in places like you might expect from a translation (three examples below). I am looking at this article and finding the hook uninteresting because it begs the question "how" or "why". More information about Hồng's body of environmental work/activism would really help this hook. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • "a dynamic local non-profit organization" seems you translated a WP:WEASEL word there
    • Ms. Hồng we don't use "Ms." and "Mr." in this context
    • about the arrest of a well-known environmental campaigner in Vietnam We know who this is; why does this text dance around it?
I will edit the article further - if you or anyone else has suggestions for a better hook I will be glad to hear them Chidgk1 (talk) 18:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Hmm... The structure of the article makes a good hook hard because there's things that would be BLP vios in a hook and things that would be really puffy. Maybe maybe... I can't verify this as a hook as the source is in Vietnamese. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1: ... that environmental activist Hoàng Thị Minh Hồng was the first Vietnamese person to set foot in Antarctica?

@Sammi Brie: I don't have any Vietnamese either. I have added a little more about Hồng's body of environmental work/activism as you suggested. How about

ALT2: ... that Hoàng Thị Minh Hồng's environmental activism inspired Barack Obama? Source: In 2018, U.S. President Barack Obama described Hong as one of the young people worldwide who inspired him https://apnews.com/article/vietnam-climate-activist-prison-jailed-5f18dcbcbc839de4c479c475b8b552f6
@Sammi Brie: Another ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No wonder I missed it, it was a ping without a timestamp. I am...not happy with the way this article reads still. It's just not Main Page-ready, even if one of the hooks (I prefer ALT1) is workable. It needs a copyedit, preferably from someone familiar with the Vietnamese original. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK I will do a copyedit - ping me if I have not done it in 3 or 4 days. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:44, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sammi Brie: I have copyedited and changed a couple of Vietnamese cites for English. If there is anything else I should do please let me know. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I am...still chewing. The prose is fine. But the hook fact is the next concern. I'm going to leave this for someone else to see if ALT1 in particular is workable. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on October 2[edit]

Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon

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  • ... that Michael Lewis accused the author of a competing book of "trying to torpedo" Going Infinite, comparing the rival author to accused fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/business/michael-lewis-going-infinite.html In a new book about the crypto bubble, Zeke Faux, a Bloomberg investigative reporter, recounts watching Mr. Lewis “fawning” over Mr. Bankman-Fried during an onstage interview at the Crypto Bahamas conference in 2022. (Reviewers, including at this paper, have compared the two books, giving the advantage to Mr. Faux.) When I mentioned this anecdote over lunch, Mr. Lewis leaned forward. “Here you have a person who’s written a book, and he’s trying to torpedo a rival book before it comes out?” he said. “That’s shocking. Talk about corrupt! So who do I think is more skeevy, Sam or him? I’d have to think about that.”

Created by Thriley (talk). 5X expanded by Coretheapple (talk). Nominated by Coretheapple (talk) at 21:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Coretheapple: Thank you for nominating! Would a link to Number Go Up in the hook be a good idea? Or is it not worth it as it’s just a stub? Thriley (talk) 21:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Good idea. I didn't notice that stub. Added. Coretheapple (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The current hook is 230 characters, way over the limit of 200. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Fixed now, I think. Coretheapple (talk) 13:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, it's 198 now. Thanks for taking care of it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 14:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've added myself as second author based upon my writing most of the current text. This is the first time I've nominated an article I've expanded that was recently authored by someone else, so kindly advise if I've handled that correctly. Coretheapple (talk) 17:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Everything was handled correctly. You nominated the article less than a week after it was created. Thriley (talk) 04:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks. I wasn't clear, as I think this may have been the first time I ever nominated a new article that I hadn't created myself. Coretheapple (talk) 16:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dan Fable

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5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dan Fable; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Launchballer, I am not reviewing this but I have some suggestions. I would recommend Wikilinking Joinery because this seems to be a British term that might not be universally known. I would also recommend a different more interesting hook like: ALT1: ... that after spending time in prison as a youth, Dan Fable built his own recording studio and started his own record label? This is because just building your own recording studio, while interesting, doesn't mean much if nothing was done with it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 12:04, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT2: ... that in 2017, Dan Fable opened a videography company offering two live music videos and a photoshoot for £100?
ALT3: ... that Dan Fable started singing in prison?
ALT4: ... that Dan Fable had to complete "Low Down" very quickly after Venbee uploaded part of it online?--Launchballer 12:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sufficiently recent expansion at the time of nomination, just past the DYK length threshold. No DYK-eligibility issues (but could use a little copyediting -- is "got into" music the right tone?). ALT3 and Hickory's ALT1 are the best hooks by a significant margin, imo. Minor query: does "on a conveyer belt" mean the use of a literal conveyer belt to record somehow? Vaticidalprophet 09:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've taken the liberty of renumbering my ALT1 so that it is now ALT4 just because "ALT1" was already taken. I meant conveyor belt figuratively, but for clarity I've taken it out. Also changed "got into" to "became interested in".--Launchballer 19:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Launchballer, Vaticidalprophet, and AirshipJungleman29: I've pulled this hook; I'm not sure this article passes NSINGER as written, and have sent it to AfD. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:37, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Launchballer: Can you please address theleekycauldron's concerns above? Z1720 (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article is still at AfD, at which I said my piece. I do know I chucked virtually every reference I could find at this, so unless there's an offline bonanza I'm not aware of, this is it.--Launchballer 01:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

Samuel Sparshott, Edward Sparshott

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HMS Winchester
HMS Winchester

Moved to mainspace by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 4 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Samuel Sparshott; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Switch Disco, Bou (musician)

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5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 16:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Switch Disco; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Both articles meet the technical requirements for DYK. I didn't find any close paraphrasing for either article, and QPQs have been provided. Switch Disco meets the referencing requirement, but Bou's sampling and it charting needs to be referenced.
My main concern is the hook. I'm not sure if it would be interesting to people unfamiliar with any of the artists mentioned. I've taken a look at both articles and I think there's some potential here for separate hooks for both artists. Particularly in the case of Bou, and how his firing eventually lead to his music career.
If I may, can I propose separate hooks for both Bou and Switch Disco in the meantime?
  • ALT-A: ... that musician Bou went from being fired from an IT apprenticeship for producing beats during company time, to having songs rank on the UK Singles Chart?
  • ALT-B: ... that Switch Disco's song "Everything" saw an 185% increase in its Spotify streams after it was used in the seventh series of Love Island?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Both hooks are fine by me. Bou's sampling and charting were both sourced, though I've added an extra ref before (Dale Smith) just to make it obvious.--Launchballer 05:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cool. Since I proposed new hooks another editor will need to sign this off. For now I've struck the original hook, but if the reviewer thinks the original hook is better than either solo hook they are free to unstrike it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 4[edit]

Kadu Makrani (film), Mulu Manek

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Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 14:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kadu Makrani (film); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Nizil Shah: Please complete the two qpqs as soon as possible. This DYK will be closed as unsuccessful unless this is completed. Z1720 (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Both long enough and new enough. No maintenance templates found, no neutrality issues found, no copyright issues found. QPQs done and images unprovided. ALT0 not acceptable per WP:DYKFICTION - what else do you suggest?--Launchballer 08:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

Roman Ratushnyi

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Created by Ата (talk) and Toadspike (talk). Nominated by Toadspike (talk) at 20:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Roman Ratushnyi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • This is not a review but a comment, but I would suggest revising the article, as I feel it might not fit NPOV. In particular, the article seems rather laudatory to me. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:52, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ата and Toadspike: Has Narutolovehinata5's concerns been addressed? Is this ready to be reviewed? Z1720 (talk) 01:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi there, I'm not currently able to finish this up, I'm very sorry. I will do it when I can, it will likely be at least a week. Toadspike (talk) 13:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Malayalam softcore pornography

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Created by Thilsebatti (talk). Self-nominated at 06:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Malayalam softcore pornography; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • This is not a review, but I have a few comments about the hook. It's a good one, but you'd better cite to the DOI as a scholarly paper, because we otherwise can't be sure of the kibd of source we are dealing with. Secondly, the paper says that The year 2001 marked the high tide of soft porn production, when out of the 89 films released, 57 were soft-porn sizzlers, but this is 64% and not "more than 70%". I also modified the hook so that the "Malayalam cinema" wikilink is less WP:EASTEREGG-like and closer to what a reader will expect to click. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 09:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thilsebatti: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thilsebatti: This is a reminder to address the above concerns. The nomination may be failed if the issue remains unaddressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: and @Szmenderowiecki:, I have updated the article accordingly. Please do the needful. Thilsebatti (talk) 05:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Full review needed, since previous commenters have not returned in two weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Long enough, new enough. ALT0 short enough, cited, and interesting. No maintenance templates found, no neutrality problems found. QPQ unnecessary and image unsubmitted. I'm concerned about plagiarism; in many cases, sentences are almost identical to the source; as an example, "sexuality are at the heart of the film and every other character is insignificant" appears in both films, and so does "of the women in these films are stereotypically […] similar situations where the heroines are […] to be at least 25 years old". I'd like to see these and others addressed.--Launchballer 07:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]

Ligue de défense de la race nègre

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  • ... that French Ligue de défense de la race nègre spawned the founding of a German counterpart in 1929? Source: Robbie Aitken (October 2008), "From Cameroon to Germany and Back via Moscow and Paris: The Political Career of Joseph Bilé (1892–1959), Performer, "Negerarbeiter" and Comintern Activist", Journal of Contemporary History, vol. 43, no. 4, pp. 597–616, doi:10.1177/0022009408095417, ISSN 0022-0094
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Created by Denis Barthel (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ligue de Defense de la Race Nègre; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - There's a lot of interesting stuff in this article, but this is not an interesting hook. Organizations often have affiliates in other countries.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Denis Barthel: First of all, thanks for writing about a neglected area of history like this! With some copy-editing and a bit more detail about the main French chapter, I think this could be a GA. As to the two matters at hand: The copyright issue is an easy fix. And if you're looking for a new hook, might I suggest

ALT2: ... that a founder of the Ligue de défense de la race nègre created a successor group free of dogmatic communism, and was then expelled by dogmatic communists who took over?

-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 06:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tamzin: - thank you very much for your encouragement. I have fixed the copyright issue and I would like to suggest as a new hook (based on the former):

ALT3: ... that the French Ligue de défense de la race nègre spawned the first political organisation of Black Germans in 1929?

Please let me know, if that works. Thank you! Denis Barthel (talk) 14:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Denis Barthel: I think that works, yes, although I think it might be better without the "in 1929", and "spawned the founding" may be redundant... I would think either "spurred the founding" or simply "spawned". But I'll leave that to the promoter. with slight copy-edit. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 00:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! I deleted "the founding of" and hope this is fine now. Denis Barthel (talk) 10:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Needs a new hook after discussion at Errors. Schwede66 23:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't have any ideas left and as I oppose ALT2 as it focuses on communism instead it's historic importance of early anti-colonialism, there is no hook available any more. I'd appreciate any ideas, else I guess this is just not right for DYK. Thanks for your efforts though, Denis Barthel (talk) 14:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC) P.S.: ALT1 has been struck though it is well sourced and mentioned in the article (beside this is not as common as Tamzin stated, neither in the anti-colonial movement nor in general at the time). Maybe it could be reconsidered? Denis Barthel (talk) 14:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Denis Barthel: If you would like, I can refer this to another reviewer for a second opinion as to whether ALT1 is sufficiently interesting. Personally I still do not see why it is interesting or unusual for an organization to have an affiliate in another country. That may well be the aspect of the article that is most interesting to you, but I don't think it will be interesting to Main Page readers. Alternately, as you say, we can end the nomination for want of a suitable hook. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 03:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dalí Atomicus

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Salvador Dalí jumping while three cats fly through the air Dalí Atomicus (1948)
Salvador Dalí jumping while three cats fly through the air
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Unretouched version of Dalí Atomicus, with wires visible Dalí Atomicus, unretouched
Unretouched version of Dalí Atomicus, with wires visible
Dalí Atomicus, unretouched
  • ... that before photographer Philippe Halsman decided to photograph three cats flying through the air (pictured), surrealist artist Salvador Dalí had wanted to blow up a duck with dynamite?
    source: https://archive.today/20231008234446/https://news.artnet.com/art-world/tiktok-cancel-salvador-dali-2313418
    ... a collaboration between Dalí and the photographer Phillippe [sic] Halsman, in which three cats are seen flying through the air .... "Dalí said, 'I have an idea. Let's take a duck and put some dynamite up his derriere and blow him up.' And my father said, 'Oh you can't do that. You're in America. You might get arrested,'" Irene Halsman recounted ....
    • reviewed: mourning stationery
    • comment:
      i declare that i am not aware of having any conflict of interest with dalí atomicus.
      i'm not sure if a descriptive caption would be better than one that simply stated the name of the work, so have provided a few alternatives for discussion.
      i did not provide links to the articles on the artists as that seems to be the current practice at dyk.
      the unretouched version appears to be in the public domain, as noted by the library of congress here. i believe the final version is too, as it was printed in life with a copyright notice ("© 1948 PHILIPPE HALSMAN"), and i found no evidence here that halsman renewed the copyright.
      i am admittedly still working on the article, but wanted to nominate it before the deadline passed.

created by dying (talk). self-nominated at 23:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • I shall have a look. Schwede66 00:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Created seven days ago and nominated today, i.e. that's just on time. Neutral. Suitably referenced. Earwig is clean. The problem is that the article is a stub with hardly any prose (385 B) and a very long off the 1,500 B that is set as the minimum for DYK eligibility. Hence, short of a major expansion, this nomination will have to be rejected. The other problem is that the hook fact does not appear in the article! Schwede66 00:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    apologies, Schwede66! i've already done the research to expand the article to the appropriate length, but am still typing it up. i just wanted to nominate the article before the deadline, as i mentioned above. (i admittedly ended up spending entirely too much time researching whether halsman renewed the copyright.) i should have the article properly expanded within a day, at which point it should include the hook fact. is that alright? dying (talk) 01:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Sure; that'll be fine. I suppose I reviewed it "as is". Schwede66 01:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Schwede66, i have now expanded the article. please let me know if you encounter any issues. thanks for your patience! dying (talk) 23:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • What a great article. Thoroughly enjoyed reading that one! Earwig appears to be down. Otherwise, the article now passes all the required checks. A minor content issue is that the two photos are described as being side-by-side, but on any of the three screens that I've checked (cellphone, laptop, big screen), they are on top of one another – please fix the caption. QPQ has been done. Hook is certainly interesting and the hook fact is referenced. The other snag is that the main photo is currently up for deletion; I suggest we park this until that issue has resolved itself as it's certainly a strong contender for a lead hook. Schwede66 02:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    thanks, Schwede66! i'm glad you enjoyed reading it. yes, i agree that the nomination should be put on hold due to the deletion discussion.
    also, thanks for pointing out the caption issue! i completely forgot about the possibility that one photo could appear above the other instead of next to it. i was trying to figure out if replacing "(left)" with "(left or top)" would be appropriate when i realized that there was actually no need to state that the photos were juxtaposed to allow for easy comparison, as this should be self-evident.
    i believe i've now reformatted the gallery so that it is platform independent. please let me know if this is not the case. dying (talk) 15:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Earwig is clean. Caption is resolved. Dying, could you please keep an eye on the deletion discussion and give me a ping when that's been resolved? Schwede66 17:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    of course, Schwede66. dying (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Schwede66, Dying: Commons deletion discussions routinely take several months. Given that fact and that there's a definitely-PD image, is there a preference to run the PD version or to wait it out? Vaticidalprophet 06:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Halsman took the photo in 1948, so what's a few more months? It's such an incredible photo; in my view, this should definitely be the lead hook. Hence my preference is to wait it out. Schwede66 07:19, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To be clear, the former version of the photo is unambiguously in the public domain (and is a featured picture on Commons). The retouched version with the brighter tones is the one to which the DR applies. This can be approved now and run as an image hook. Vaticidalprophet 16:07, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i'm in no rush, and don't mind waiting it out. also, as the unretouched version has previously appeared on the main page, i think it would be nice to give the final version a chance to be featured on the main page as well. dying (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 9[edit]

Walker Interactive Products

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Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Walker Interactive Products; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 14[edit]

Perry Hartnett

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5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Perry Hartnett; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Georgia Twinn

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Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 13:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Georgia Twinn; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on October 15[edit]

Turbo Dismount

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  • ... that Turbo Dismount added a vehicle in reference to Back to the Future Part II called the "LeDorean"? Source: "Update Mondays: 'PewDiePie: Legend Of The Brofist', 'Secret Of Mana', 'Marvel Mighty Heroes', 'Alphabear', And More".
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination.

Created by Captain Galaxy (talk). Self-nominated at 10:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Turbo Dismount; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 16[edit]

John Ernest Adamson

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Created by Llewee (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Ernest Adamson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Harry Crosbie

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Created by Bogger (talk) and SeoR (talk). Nominated by Bogger (talk) at 10:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Harry Crosbie; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN -
    • [6] does not appear reliable as to the year Crosbie bought Kittiwake (seemingly a blog), and [7] does not verify 2008.
    • Neither cited source verifies 2021 as the year that Kittiwake was moved.
  • Neutral: Green tickY
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The "Personal life" section violates WP:BLPNAME. Please remove the names of Crosbie's wives unless they have significance beyond being his wives.

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN -
    • ALT0: Question? Depends on resolution of sourcing issue above
    • ALT1: checkY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN -
    • ALT2: Struck as veering on promotional
    • ALT4: Struck as non-neutral ("saved")
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Bogger and SeoR: A few issues to take care of here. Regardless of the sourcing issue on ALT0, my preference is for ALT1, although I'd recommend unlinking "British Ambassador" and either dropping the comma after "in part" or transposing "for" and "in part". -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 02:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Added better sources for actual dates (2007, and 2022) for Kittiwake. Spouse names removed-Bogger (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tamzin: Happy for slightly adjusted ALT1a: ... that Dublin property developer Harry Crosbie received an OBE from the British Ambassador for, in part, entertaining Her Majesty with his showbiz contacts? Source: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-names-crosbie-harry-crosbie-family-man-gets-obe/28821271.html

thanks -Bogger (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bogger: Sorry for the delay here. Was less active what with Thanksgiving and just now getting back to this. Thanks for adding the sources. 2022 checks out. The afloat.ie source didn't seem to verify 2007, but this other afloat.ie source linked from it did, so I've taken the liberty of replacing the source. Let me know if there's any issue with that. I would still have some questions on the wording of ALT0, but if we're both happy on ALT1a, then let's go with that. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 04:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tamzin: that's fine by me. Thanks. -Bogger (talk) 09:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on October 19[edit]

Coriantumr (Last Jaredite King), Coriantumr (Son of Omer), Coriantumr (Nephite Dissenter)

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  • ... that the Book of Mormon mentions three men named Coriantumr: the son of Omer, the last Jaredite king, and a Nephite dissenter? Source: Dennis L., ed. (2003). Book of Mormon Reference Companion. Salt Lake City, Utah, USA: Deseret Book. pp. 215-216. ISBN 1-57345-231-9.
    • ALT1: ... that the last Jaredite king, the the son of Omer, and a Nephite dissenter are all featured in the Book of Mormon despite sharing the same name of Coriantumr? Source: Dennis L., ed. (2003). Book of Mormon Reference Companion. Salt Lake City, Utah, USA: Deseret Book. pp. 215-216. ISBN 1-57345-231-9.
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Each of these articles were originally part of a larger article by the name of Coriantumr. I added content and split them into three. The original article now exists as a disambiguation page. The Coriantumr (Son of Omer) article has a notability issues tag, but we believe the article passes notability guidelines; Coriantumr Son of Omer appears in some secondary sources used within the article.

Created by Heidi Pusey BYU (talk). Self-nominated at 23:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Coriantumr (Last Jaredite King); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 20[edit]

Long gu

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Created by Mychemicalromanceisrealemo (talk). Self-nominated at 13:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Long gu; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - Not really despite a mention in the article.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: I would like to give the benefit of the doubt that the sources do say something related to your fact at least, but I need to be able know whether one of the source specifically states the fact relating to that in the DYK nomination. You'll need to state one source in the nomination that supports it. Also, whatever problem there is that someone placed an issue regarding an unclear citation style, you may need to address that as well. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mychemicalromanceisrealemo: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Got it. Tryin to make a change :-/ 09:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fred Provo

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Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fred Provo; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

LEF – For the New Generation

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  • ... that the party leader of the new Dutch youth political party LEF – For the New Generation has tattooed his party's program points on his forearm? Source: [8]
    • Reviewed:

Created by W.G.J. (talk). Self-nominated at 12:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/LEF – For the New Generation; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @W.G.J.: Hi. This article is 1414 characters readable prose size, which does not include bullet points. It needs to be at least 1500, so some further expansion is needed. Would AGF on hook fact in Dutch (the image is compelling to see). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@W.G.J.: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sammi Brie: @Z1720:, I recently expanded the article a little so it should be above the necessary prose size at the moment. 𝕎.𝔾.𝕁. (chat | contribs) 10:46, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 22[edit]

Buya, Eritrea

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Skull of Madam Buya

Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Buya, Eritrea; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • New enough, long enough, and no evidence of copyvio. The things it says are cited, and the references look credible. I am not 100% on saying it's the oldest fossil with human features, since the source supporting that is from 1998; has anything older been found since? Otherwise I am happy with this. jp×g 01:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @JPxG and Graearms: As well as the age of the source, it doesn't actually support the claim that this is the oldest fossil with human features – it says with comparatively modern human traits, which has a particular meaning in palaeoanthropology. Both claims are anyway so ambiguous as to be impossible to properly verify, and I don't think we can put either on the main page on the basis of a 25 year-old "news brief" in the AIA's outreach magazine. This needs a new hook at the minimum, but I'm also seeing some problems with close paraphrasing of this source:
    • Source: Until this discovery the earliest known fossils bearing comparatively modern human traits were those of a 600,000-year-old H. heidelbergensis from Bodo, Ethiopia
    Article: Prior to this discovery, the earliest known fossil with human traits was a 600,000 year old Homo heidelbergensis skeleton from Bodo, Ethiopia
    • Source: Excavated between 1995 and 1997 by Ernesto Abbate of the Università di Firenze (Florence, Italy) and an international team of paleoanthropologists, the nearly complete cranium of an adult, along with two pelvic fragments and two incisors, was recovered from ancient lake and river sediments deposited within the primarily volcanic Northern Danakil Formation.
    Article: Buya was excavated between 1995 and 1997 by archaeologist Ernesto Abbate working for the University of Florence alongside a team of Eritrean and Italian paleontologists from the National Museum of Eritrea, the Pigorini Museum, and the University of Florence. They unearthed fragments of the skeleton of the Homo erectus fossil Madam Buya. They were found inside ancient river and lake sediments located within the Danakil Depression.
    • Source: According to Abbate and his team, the skull's long ovoid braincase, wide cheekbones, and massive browridge resemble African H. erectus and H. ergaster.
    Article: It has a oval neurocranium, massive brow ridge, and wide cheekbones. These traits are all characteristics of a Homo erectus fossil.
    I think the article needs a more thorough check for copyvio and sourcing issues. – Joe (talk) 07:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh jeez. Some of these are indeed concerning. I'm going to put this on hold until I have the chance to go through all of the sources personally. jp×g 07:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Joe Roe:@JPxG: I have made some edits to the article in the last few hours. Hopefully, this will fix any close paraphrasing issue. I checked the article with Earwig, and I edited as many things as I could. Earwig now claims that the article has a 2.9% similarity to the text closest to it. Prior to these edits, Earwig detected a 5.7% similarity between the article and the closest source. I have also made changes to the statements cited as examples of close paraphrasing in the article. Some are still relatively similar to the the original sentences from the article, but they should be noticeably different from the original source. Also, I have clarified that they meant modern human features not just hominid features at a few points in the article. Graearms (talk) 16:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Graearms: I still don't think you have the sourcing to support this "earliest modern human" claim. I can't find it repeated in any scientific literature (recent or not), which suggests probably the original claim in Archaeology magazine didn't stand up to scrutiny. Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(science)#Basic_advice has some good advice. – Joe (talk) 06:26, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Joe Roe:@JPxG: I have made significant edits to the article. I have removed the claim that it is the earliest known example of such a fossil, however kept notes about it containing both archaic and modern features. I propose a few new hooks.

I don't know what this is doing at WP:DYKNA, but marking as not approved yet. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lou Daukas

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Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lou Daukas; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, both hooks are misleading as he never actually played in the NFL, but rather the AAFC (which later merged with the NFL). As such, neither hook as currently written is accurate. Maybe this would be better then?
ALT2 ... that after his professional American football career, Lou Daukas became a lawyer?
Had to specify it's American football to avoid ambiguity, but it could be shortened/piped to just "football" if desired. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Two issues: 1. the nominator has not responded to the above review, and 2. despite both a ping and a talk page message, a QPQ has not been provided. As such, the nomination is now marked for closure, but may resume if the nominator provides a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very sorry for the delay - time's been going by much faster than it feels like for me - I didn't realize it had been this long - I will make sure to get a QPQ and address the issues soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Just added QPQ, as for the hook, thanks for noticing that - whoops! - it was the AAFC, so your proposed ALT is good (though maybe something like the following would be a little more interesting?: ALT3 ... that Lou Daukas was a professional football-playing lawyer?). Again, sorry for taking so long. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure if ALT3 works since apparently he became a lawyer after his playing career. Had he been a lawyer while playing American football, ALT3 or some variant may have worked. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

National War Labor Board (1942–1945)

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  • ... that the tripartite structure of the National War Labor Board helped the United States keep work stoppages to a minimum during World War II? Source: see footnotes 36 and 105 in article
    • ALT1: ... that the "Little Steel formula" was devised by the National War Labor Board, an agency of the U.S. government during World War II, to limit the amount that wages could be increased in any industry? Source: see footnotes 20 and 50 in article, among others
    • ALT2: ... that "maintenance of membership" was the compromise that the National War Labor Board, an agency of the U.S. government during World War II, found regarding the issue of union security? Source: see footnotes 20 and 45 in article
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Rutherford

5x expanded by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 16:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/National War Labor Board (1942–1945); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment: From what I can see, this expansion was done very nicely. Nominator expanded the article word count almost 26 fold. — Mugtheboss (talk) 09:54, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Genoa Conservatory

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Villa Saluzzo Serra

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Genoa Conservatory; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: An interesting article covering the long history of this musical establishment in a balanced way (more coverage of recent history, and something on current operations, would be great, but do not interfere in the DYK consideration). New / submitted in good time, quite long enough, well-sourced but no plagiarism found. Hook fact checked - the whole hook-related section is cited to one good-length article, in Italian, which I have checked. The hook is a little long, but allowing for non-counting of the bolded link and {pictured}, passes. It could be abbreviated, if needed, by mentioning only the name, or the designation "art museum" for the alternative home, but I see why both are desired. The picture is valid and properly used. Best of luck! SeoR (talk) 21:46, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @4meter4 and SeoR: hook looks good, nice work! Unless I'm hugely mistaken (and I very well could be), though, it seems that a large part of the article is sourced to an interim director of the conservatory, making the source non-independent of the article. If that's the case, the article does need a large restructuring. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 24[edit]

Vocalises (Ivanovs)

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  • ... that the Vocalises by Jānis Ivanovs drew upon his childhood experiences as a refugee in World War I? Source: "But the impulse to draw from [Ivanovs'] memories came directly from 'Autumn Song' and the vocalises that followed. More specifically: as a refugee during the First World War, the very young Ivanovs ended up in Vitebsk and Smolensk, where he sang in church choirs as an alto before his voice broke, thus becoming acquainted with the liturgical compositions of the Russian composers Bortnyansky, Tchaikovsky, and Rachmaninoff. From these, presumably, come the resigned chromatic tones that make up half of the color palette of the vocalises." [9]

Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vocalises (Ivanovs); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Narutolovehinata5, Give me a few hours. I will try! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:32, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@CurryTime7-24: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Please bear with me. I'll be busy for the next day, but will return with a couple of new ALTs and possibly a little more new material on Saturday (PST). —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 06:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Working on this now. Been held up, but I've not forgotten this DYK nom! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for hanging in there. How about this?

  • ALT1 ... that the Vocalises by Jānis Ivanovs were said to express "a longing for humanity, away from dictatorship, [and] ideological directives" that characterized the Latvian zeitgeist of the 1960s and 1970s? Source: Ibid. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 25[edit]

Phoenotopia: Awakening

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Created by RagingPichu (talk). Self-nominated at 06:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Phoenotopia: Awakening; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Songs of Muad'Dib

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 08:05, 26 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Songs of Muad'Dib; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]