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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

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June 2 1
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July 22 1
July 24 1
July 27 1
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August 9 2 1
August 10 2
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August 17 4 1
August 18 3
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September 10 9 4
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September 12 9 4
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September 15 4 1
Total 177 61
Last updated 17:39, 15 September 2019 UTC
Current time is 18:26, 15 September 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Shortcut

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]

Backlogged?[edit]

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]


Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on May 5[edit]

Fatwa

  • ... that several sultans in Morocco and the Ottoman Empire were deposed by a fatwa? Source: "...several Ottoman and Moroccan sultans were deposed by fatwas" ("Fatwa", in The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought, 2013, p. 174)
    • ALT1:... that according to some scholars Ayatollah Khomeini's proclamation condemning Salman Rushdie to death was not a fatwa? Source: "...Ayatollah Khomeini (1902–89) issued a statement calling for the execution of author Salman Rushdie for insulting Islam in his novel The Satanic Verses. Although not strictly a fatwa, this death sentence was quickly treated as such" ("Fatwa", in The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought, 2013, p. 174); "There are some views that deny that this actually was a fatwa, as it did not follow the classical criteria of form or function for a fatwa." (Vikør, Knut S. (2005). Between God and the Sultan: A History of Islamic Law. Oxford University Press, p. 142)
  • Reviewed: Exempt from QPQ - 1 DYK credit so far.

Improved to Good Article status by Eperoton (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC).

Article is well sourced, and hooks are reasonably interesting. They do suggest that the reader knows what a fatwa is, before reading the article, however. QPQ not required. Hooks are cited. No copyvio. See below for more comments. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Definitely newly promoted enough and long enough. An Earwig check is a liiiiitle iffy. Specifically, "allowed a female convert to Islam to remain married to her non-Muslim husband, based in part on the existence of European laws and customs which guarantee women the freedom of religion" If the source is somehow freely licensed or public domain, then fine enough. Otherwise that's stretching the limits of fair use a bit too far. Similarly, (though Earwig doesn't pick this bit up) the opening sentence is nearly verbatim from the Princeton Encyclopedia source. The hook, is exactly verbatim from the Princeton Encyclopedia source. So these really need to be quoted or they need to be reworded. Fair use gives us leeway with attributed quotes, but not with unatributed ones. Additional manual spot checks only picked up one additional issue. A large portion of this was either copied to Fatwa from Mufti or visa versa. But I don't see on either article, either in edit summaries or on the talk page where the original is attributed. This is required by the CCBYSA license, and so it needs to be sorted out which is the original and which is the copy, so we can make sure we're in compliance with WP:COPYWITHIN.
User:Lee Vilenski it looks like we had an edit conflict, but you probably want to revisit your approval given the above. GMGtalk 14:46, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────┘ @GreenMeansGo: thanks for the closer review.

  • I have rephrased the passages underlined above.
  • For the definition, it's important to reflect the definitions found in the sources, which are themselves similar to each other. I think this one falls under: "Limited close paraphrasing is also appropriate if there are only a limited number of ways to say the same thing."
  • I was reluctant to paraphrase those few words in the hook because I feared introducing OR. For example, one could replace "deposed" by "forced to abdicate", but it doesn't quite mean the same thing. I feel this is also in the area of "limited number of ways to say the same thing". P.S. On closer inspection, how about this paraphrase of the hook?
  • I contributed all the text in both Fatwa and Mufti, so my edits are the appropriate attribution.

Let me know if you still have concerns. Eperoton (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Do you think we should gloss fatwa as "(nonbinding legal opinion)" or "(nonbinding legal opinion on a point of Islamic law)" in the hooks? Eperoton (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Wouldn't an opinion by definition not be legally binding? I think fatwa (legal opinion) makes sense, but It's not really something I understand entirely. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@Lee Vilenski: Binding legal opinions do exist in some legal systems, but we can use the shorter gloss in the hook for brevity. Eperoton (talk) 22:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • As far as COPYWITHIN, unless you are positive that there were no other contributors to the duplicated content, i.e., if they were both added at the same time, then we would still need attribution. But that's really too easy, just use a WP:DUMMYEDIT on whatever article was last and say "text from this article copied from that article".
Just to be safe, I'll see if we can't get a second opinion on whether the hook runs into close paraphrasing issues. Maybe I'm over thinking it. Never hurts to ask. GMGtalk 12:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: Thanks, second opinion on the hook would be good. Regarding attribution, the text of both articles either came out of my sandbox or was added by me to both articles at about the same time. I do include attributions in edit summaries when I copy text with other contributors. Eperoton (talk) 22:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

No comment on the close paraphrasing issue, but terms like "fatwa" do not need to be defined in hooks, the hook is only there to tweak interest in a topic not to define terms, if we did the latter DYK would end up looking like a dictionary extract. People who don't know what a "fatwa" is and would like to know more get to click on the link, that's the whole point. Gatoclass (talk) 03:29, 15 May 2019 (UTC).

  • I agree that there is some paraphrasing that is too close to the sources. Compare for example "A mufti's understanding of the query commonly depended on their grasp of local customs and colloquial expressions" with "Such comprehension frequently depended on the muftī  's grasp of both local custom and colloquial expression". Nikkimaria (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Can you elaborate your concern, Nikkimaria? I can't quite connect it to WP:CLOP. Nothing in this sentence strikes me as a "creative expression", and as I far as I can tell, there's a limited number of ways of expressing this particular assertion without changing the meaning or using unnatural language. This is a general issue that's important for articles on contentious topics, where I tend to edit, so I want to clarify for the future. I normally try to rephrase and rearrange content as much as the subject permits, and alternate statements drawing on different sources, but no so much as to introduce OR. CLOP, and particularly WP:LIMITED, seems to be formulated in a reasonably flexible way that permits this approach. Eperoton (talk) 22:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
P.S. So, for example, I now rewrote this as "A mufti's understanding of the query commonly depended on their familiarity with local customs and colloquialisms", which would minimize Earwig-style issues. Does that address your concern, or do you consider any statement that conveys the meaning of a statement from the source with a similar syntactic structure to be a CLOP violation, regardless of whether it can be naturally expressed otherwise? Eperoton (talk) 00:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
NOCREATIVE applies to things like "X was born on 1 January 1900", when there truly is no originality in the phrasing; that's not the case with the example I've cited. If you truly cannot find an adequate way to represent such a phrase, you can always quote it. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Ok, so did the rephrased version address this particular concern? Eperoton (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: I'm fine to go with a light rewording just to be on the safe side.
  • ALT3 ... that influential Islamic jurists used fatwas to dethrone several sultans in Morocco and the Ottoman Empire?
  • It's mot much, but it does put some daylight between the hook and the verbatim text, pulling bits of content from surrounding sentences in the source. If everyone's okay with that, then I'm perfectly fine to throw a tick on it and carry on. GMGtalk 12:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for following up on the nomination. I've used GMG's ideas to rephrase the text of the article to a version I slightly prefer (ALT4 ... that several sultans in Morocco and the Ottoman Empire were dethroned as a result of fatwas issued by influential jurists), but ALT3 seems close enough in meaning, as well as having the added benefit of brevity. Eperoton (talk) 03:18, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree w Eperoton that ALT4 is better because teher s a hint of an explanation what fatwa is- the point of DYK is to read the article of the term in bold font and if one gets no clue what it is one isnt pulled into it.Wuerzele (talk) 03:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to check the previous issues and establish where this nomination is—whether ready to go or needing more work—including using the appropriate icon with their review. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • A very interesting article, which has been waiting for DYK approval for a long time! (Is it a record?) Earwig now says that copyvio is unlikely, so that issue appears to have been addressed. Starting to read, I was reminded of a news article I read a while ago, which I found again - "The fatwa hotline: 'We have heard everything' ", in The Guardian, 20 August 2016 [1]. Eperoton, I don't know if you want to include a source like that in this article - it does relate to a couple of points, though - the Role of Modern Media section (where I wonder if you could start with "Advances in communication technology and the rise of the internet", instead of "advances in print media"?) The other point it relates to is in "Social role of fatwas", where you say "Since women now represent a significant proportion of students studying Islamic law, their prominence in its interpretation is likely to rise". The Guardian article shows an example of women working as muftis, specifically for women to request fatwas from.
I think that the Salman Rushdie fatwa/not fatwa would interest people old enough to remember the incident, and a hook about rulers being dethroned would interest some readers too. Of the hooks suggested so far, I think ALT3 and ALT4 are better than ALT0, which doesn't give any clues about what a fatwa is (it could be a usurper, for example). In ALT1, I would suggest including the word "Islamic" before "scholars", as that also gives some clues. If that hook is used, there will need to be a citation immediately after "some scholars have argued that it did not qualify as one", as there currently isn't a source for that.
Eperoton, there are a few other points that strike me as possible focuses for hooks. One is where you say "Modern fatwas also deal with topics as diverse as insurance, sex-change operations, moon exploration and beer drinking", and another that there are "satellite television programs and radio shows offering call-in fatwas". Also the fatwa permitting Muslims serving in the U.S. army to participate in military action against Muslim countries would be of interest to many, I would think, and I was interested to read that Osama bin Laden was not qualified to issue fatwas or declare jihad.
What do you think? I don't want to trivialise it, but I wonder if some of these more up-to-date issues would perhaps attract readers' attention? I don't want to suggest ALT hooks myself, because then someone else would have to approve them. Would like to consider these ideas and suggest some other alternative hooks? Then I (or another editor) can think about them, and check that they're all supported by citations (of the points I've mentioned, all have citations directly after the sentence with that information except the one about participating in military action against Muslim countries). Let me know what you think! Regards, RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
@RebeccaGreen: thanks for the close reading and great suggestions! I'll take a closer look and list some alternative hooks by the end of the week. Eperoton (talk) 03:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Eperoton, it has been over a week since you posted the above. I realize that we haven't always given this timely reviewing attention here at DYK, which accounts for why the nomination is over four months old, but it is the oldest extant nom by nearly a month. Please spend some time on it over the next few days. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 2[edit]

Rugg/Feldman benchmarks

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 11:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC).

Reviewed Hells Bells.

I think of the various hooks, ALT1 is the most "hooky" and likely the best? Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Maury Markowitz: New and long enough, QPQ done. This is an interesting topic that is treated in a thorough manner. However, I have concerns about the sourcing of this article. Nearly all of the article is a summary of the four articles that originally proposed various versions of the benchmarks, which is sourced solely to those four articles. Most of the other sources (refs 13–19) are sources that use the benchmarks but do not discuss them in depth, and are solely used in the "Use" section. (It's also unclear what the source for the "Sample results" section is.)
Now, for DYK the threshold to be met is WP:V and not WP:N. Still, the former says "Articles must be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." While the provided sources seem reliable in the sense of being trustworthy for providing accurate information, the use of primary sources is very excessive given that they're limited to a single section in an article of this length. I would like to see independent sources used more broadly in the article, preferably one(s) that explicitly outline the historical context of the benchmarks, before I can pass this article. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 18:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@Antony-22: So it seems you agree that the sources are "reliable" and have a "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". If I am reading your post correctly, your concern is about the "independent" part, is that correct? If so, I believe you are mis-applying the term. The goal of independent sources is to "protect the project from people using Wikipedia for self-promotion, personal financial benefit, and other abuses". Do you see anything of that sort here?
What I really think you're saying it relies too heavily on primary sources. This tends to be more blurry and every editor has their own view on this. However, the guideline is very clear that primary sources are OK as long as there "careful thought and some extra knowledge on the part of Wikipedia's editors." Do you believe I have failed to perform due diligence in this regard?
The reason for both of these guidelines is to protect the Wiki from being overrun by highly biased material. Do you believe this article about a benchmark that has not been used for 35 years is highly biased? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:20, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: I don't believe there's any self-promotion or malice of any kind here, and just to be clear I'm definitely not accusing you of anything unsavory. My concern is that I don't think that a paper by the original proposers of an idea can be considered independent, and I have trouble concluding that an article based almost entirely on such sources is within policy. Usually I just comment on overuse of first-party sources and let it slide, but this is more excessive than other cases I've seen. So I'm not looking for a significant rewrite, just some improvement. Ideally it would be nice if there were, say, a citation to a review on the history of benchmarks that discusses this benchmark in context. (In any case, missing citations in the "Programs" and "Sample results" section still need to be addressed.) Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 21:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@Antony-22: Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5 and Maury Markowitz: I'm awaiting a response to my most recent comment. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 00:15, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

My response is that I believe this is a misapplication of NOTE. That is my opinion, Antony-22's is different. I am not sure how to proceed. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:18, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 and Maury Markowitz: My comments are based not on WP:N, which is explicitly not part of the DYK criteria, but on WP:V and WP:NOR. This article is almost completely a summary of a few primary research articles, which is not within policy for scientific articles. I was hoping simply for modest improvements to the article to introduce more text based on independent, secondary sources. However, I realize that this is a borderline case given the low bar of the DYK criteria, and if someone else wishes to approve it, I will not object. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 13:09, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 3[edit]

Kang Woo-kyu

  • ... that Kang Woo-kyu was a fighter for Korean independence during the Japanese colonial period? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Won96 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Won96: Hey, I've given a bit of polish to the hook. The article is a strong start but it needs a bit of copyediting. (I've also done some to the hook, adding a link.) I don't think I'm the right person for the job, though, since I'm not a topic expert and I don't speak Korean. While the article is new enough out of mainspace, long enough and has a good density of citations, I strongly advise you to take it to WP:GOCE and have someone with more familiarity with Korean copyedit this for you. Raymie (t • c) 18:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Since the above review, now over a month and a half old, the article has been moved from "Kang Woo Kyu" to "Kang Woo-kyu" (I've just adjusted the template accordingly; it should not itself be moved!), but it was never submitted to the Guild of Copy Editors (at WP:GOCER) and has since been tagged as needing a copyedit. It cannot be approved at DYK without that copyedit, so I strongly suggest that it be submitted there at once. I have pinged Won96's talk page; hopefully they will see this, as they haven't edited on Wikipedia for about six weeks, since before the copyedit tag was added to the article. (Note: requests at GOCE average about three weeks to get done; articles tagged by others typically take four to five months to be selected and completed.) Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 01:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Guild of Copy Editors have finished their copy edit. Needs another look and review. -- Thats Just Great (talk) 17:55, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg I can see that this is much improved, but I think it still needs some work, and probably from someone who can read the Korean sources. The article creator User:Won96 has not edited since mid June 2019, so may not be around to help. Another Korean editor has also contributed to the article, so I will ping them too, in case they can help. @Byeori Kim:
Eg, in the Early life section, "Kang was born in Deokcheon, Pyeongan-do, Joseon. He spent his childhood in Jinju, Gyeongsang Province and Miryang, Gyeongsang-do. Kang studied Korean medicine from a young age after returning home from Deokcheon, Pyeongan-do." - should that be returning home to Deokcheon? Otherwise it doesn't seem to make sense.
And another example, "he moved to Hongwon, Hamkyong-do, where he served as a Korean medicine doctor while teaching children Neo-Confucianism. ... Kang was mainly engaged in commerce in Hongwon, reportedly going to Hongwon for a large sum of money when he took the initiative. He ran a general merchandise store with his son Jung Geon on Nammun Street in the center of Hongwon. The store mainly sold paint, cigarette stands, and cotton seals. At the same time, he lent the traders money at low interest."
So, he was a doctor, he taught children, and he was engaged in commerce - but mainly engaged? And what does "reportedly going to Hongwon for a large sum of money when he took the initiative" mean? What are cigarette stands and cotton seals?
If it comes to approving a hook, I think it's more interesting that he tried to assassinate a Japanese governor of Korea, or that he worked for Korean independence from China and Russia, than just saying he was a Korean independence fighter. RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Also pinging Bobbychan193 as they have been involved in editing the article recently. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Unfortunately, I can't read Korean, so I can't be of much help here. Although I've already done a copy edit of the article, let me know if any other parts (especially newly written parts) need copy editing. Bobbychan193 (talk) 01:35, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I can sense... they are students (March-June matches with Korean schools (K-12 or univ) semester, stopped contribs altogether when the semester was done, DYK) of... probably Piotrus? If I am correct... I can take over the stuff, or you can take care of the stuff. — regards, Revi 01:57, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes. As usual, unless they take another of my wiki class this semester, the odds of them coming back to this are slim. Feel free to fail this. I always stress to them they have to finish the job, and it is in their own interest (as in, they could say during the job interview they got stuff on Wikipedia's front page). If they don't care or are unable to follow this up, there's little we can do. PS. Of course, if someone wants to rescue it, that's awesome, and thanks! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:26, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Allow me few hours (or till Thursday when Chuseok starts); I was typing a bunch of texts and then my kernel panicked (Unix/Linux version of Blue Screen) at the wall of texts, so I need to type them from scratch again, and that kernel panic panicked me as well :P — regards, Revi 05:02, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
RebeccaGreen, meanwhile... (I almost finished writing this stuff yesterday but then... my mac's kernel crashed so I am re-writing those)

Eg, in the Early life section, "Kang was born in Deokcheon, Pyeongan-do, Joseon. He spent his childhood in Jinju, Gyeongsang Province and Miryang, Gyeongsang-do. Kang studied Korean medicine from a young age after returning home from Deokcheon, Pyeongan-do." - should that be returning home to Deokcheon? Otherwise it doesn't seem to make sense.

You are correct here.

And another example, "he moved to Hongwon, Hamkyong-do, where he served as a Korean medicine doctor while teaching children Neo-Confucianism. ... Kang was mainly engaged in commerce in Hongwon, reportedly going to Hongwon for a large sum of money when he took the initiative. He ran a general merchandise store with his son Jung Geon on Nammun Street in the center of Hongwon. The store mainly sold paint, cigarette stands, and cotton seals. At the same time, he lent the traders money at low interest."
So, he was a doctor, he taught children, and he was engaged in commerce - but mainly engaged? And what does "reportedly going to Hongwon for a large sum of money when he took the initiative" mean? What are cigarette stands and cotton seals?

I think this is the correct course of time sequence:
  1. He moved to Hongwon due to safety blah blah.
  2. He became a Doctor, taught stuff to childrens
  3. He also ran a business (with his son) selling cigarette, and cotton stuff.
He contributed the same thing on Korean Wikipedia, and what I can infer from there is the 'Cotton seal' is (IMO) in fact 'cotton threads'. I will need to verify it with a source if possible, but I cannot find the News DongAh May 1969 edition anywhere online. I may need to dig libraries or archives.
For the money, it looks like it is meant to be "He had $$$s when he moved to Hongwon". Cigarette stands are probably meant to be "we sell cigarettes"?
For the hooks, as part of the Korean History textbook, we frequently see him on the textbook so you know much better than me about the 'interesting stuff'. (If it needs to be explicitly spelled, I am willing to take over the nominator's job of doing stuff, yeah.) — regards, Revi 00:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg -revi, thank you for this information. I have edited the 2nd paragraph in the Early life section accordingly. I hope it looks OK to you now.
I have added a new section called 'Exile', as by the end of the "Early life" section Kang was over 50!
So, in the 1st paragraph of the Exile section, it reads:
Following the Japan–Korea Treaty of 1905, Kang went into exile to Manchuria Bukkando. He was deeply angered by Japanese colonial rule in 1910. At the time, he was a middle-aged man over 50. In the fall of 1910, Kang decided to seek asylum and moved members of his family to Khabarovsk. He left Yongwon-myeon, Hongwon to Dudogu, Northern Gando in the spring of 1911, where he ran a herbal medicine shop.
  • Is Bukkando in Manchuria? Would it be correct to write "Kang went into exile to Bukkando, Manchuria"?
  • Yongwon-myeon is not mentioned until now. If it is in Hongwon, and it is important to say where he was living in Hongwon, then it would probably be better to add it to the sentence "He ran a general merchandise store with his son Jung Geon on Nammun Street in the center of Hongwon." - if it fits with that. Otherwise, I think it would be clearer here just to say "He left Hongwon".
  • He moved members of his family to Khabarovsk in the fall of 1910 - did he move there himself? or did he leave Hongwon himself when he moved to Dudogu, Northern Gando the following spring? Would it be correct to say "Deciding to seek asylum, Kang moved members of his family to Khabarovsk in the fall of 1910, and then he left Hongwon to move to Dudogu, Northern Gando, in the spring of 1911"?
  • In the last para of the Exile section, it says "Kang founded Guangdong Middle School". In the next paragraph (in the next section), it says "Kang handed over Kwangdong Middle School". This sounds like the same school, so it would be clearer to use the same spelling. It also mentions Guangdong University - if the name is the same in Korean, I think it would be clearer in English to spell it the same way unless there is a tradition of using different romanised spellings.
  • For the possible alternate hook focuses I mentioned above, I think we will need more citations, and more explicit statements. For a hook about the assassination attempt, the article says "On the day Saitō visited Korea, Kang attempted to assassinate Saitō by throwing a bomb at him. The explosion missed Saito but injured several onlookers." The second sentence is followed by a citation to 윤, 상택 (2001). 윤치호 일기 [Diary of Yoon Chi-ho]. 역사비평사. p. 131. Can that source also be used as a citation for the first sentence, ""On the day Saitō visited Korea, Kang attempted to assassinate Saitō by throwing a bomb at him."? I would presume it can, but I don't want to add a citation before checking.
For a hook about him working for Korean independence from China and Russia, we will need to add those countries' names in the text explicitly. I can do that, and then check if we need more citations for the relevant sentences.
Thanks again for taking over the nominator's job of doing this! RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:01, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Hoi, let me answer easy part right away and do the more thorough one later today.

Is Bukkando in Manchuria? Would it be correct to write "Kang went into exile to Bukkando, Manchuria"?

Bukkando is split to Buk and Kando, Kando is alternative pronounciation of Gando (Jiandao), Buk means "North" so it's effectively "North Jiandao/Gando", which is a subset of Manchuria.

Yongwon-myeon is not mentioned until now. If it is in Hongwon, and it is important to say where he was living in Hongwon, then it would probably be better to add it to the sentence "He ran a general merchandise store with his son Jung Geon on Nammun Street in the center of Hongwon." - if it fits with that. Otherwise, I think it would be clearer here just to say "He left Hongwon".

Yongwon-myeon is part of Hongwon, and I don't think it is that significant. Compressed to "Hongwon".
— regards, Revi 03:26, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you, I have changed "Manchuria Bukkando" to "northern Gando (Jiandao), Manchuria." Northern Gando was already mentioned later in the para, so it's clearer to refer to it the same way. I think we may need to clarify the events and their timing in this para, though. Perhaps:
"Following the Japan–Korea Treaty of 1905, and the annexation of Korea and its colonial rule by Japan following the Japan–Korea Treaty of 1910, Kang was deeply angered. At the time, he was a middle-aged man over 50. In the fall of 1910, Kang decided to seek asylum and moved members of his family to Khabarovsk. He himself left Hongwon and went into exile in Dudogu, northern Gando (Jiandao), Manchuria, in the spring of 1911, where he ran a herbal medicine shop."
I wondered why he did not go after 1905, and waited till 1910, until I read the article about the 1905 treaty and realised that Japan imposed colonial rule in 1910. I suggest including that 1910 treaty in this sentence, because I think many other readers who are not familiar with Korean history will not understand the 1910 reference. (BTW, Khabarovsk is a very long way away. Did he really send family there, rather than to Vladivostok, which the next para says he moved to later? I guess if the source says Khabarovsk, that's what we say ....) RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:54, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
1905 Treaty took away Joseon's diplomatic sovereignty from Joseon while keeping the sovereign (I mean, the Emperor) intact (government was effectively dissolved in 1907 though), the 1910 treaty was the rubber stamp that merged two countries and the Emperor was removed from the throne. For the Khabarovsk stuff, I need to travel to National Library to see the copylink for myself of that magazine, so I can't answer it right away (probably next week). I just can't find it on the web. — regards, Revi 14:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
No worries, Revi, if you are able to research it in the National Library, that's great! This has been waiting a while, a little longer won't be a problem - and it does seem like an important subject that it would be good to get as correct and clear as possible. Just ping me when you have been able to follow it up :-) RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 9[edit]

Ivan Golunov

Created by Kirill Samredny (talk) and Alexander Davronov (talk). Nominated by Anomalous+0 (talk) at 14:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. No QPQ needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I find the article very one-sided and hardly start-class. It seems to have been written for the express purpose of reporting a news story. I removed the POV language and would like to see some response from the police, not just that they were forced to back down. If more information about the subject, Golunov, is not available and he is in fact a WP:1E subject, you may want to rename the page for a broader study of the arrests and allegations of police abuse of power. Yoninah (talk) 20:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • It has been over 3 weeks since my post. If these issues are not addressed by August 20, this nomination will be closed as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Hi! Thanks for your efforts and attention. I believe we can close this nomination safely. The article still needs additional polishing, fixing some things, and adding others.
may want to rename the page
The subject's (Golunov) case was primarily documented to make a record of at least one case of a long range of serious rights violations related to made-up drug-charges in Russia. The case drew a lot attention from the public and may not be overlooked. I would be good basis to refer to when writing article about Human Rights situation in Russia generally.
and would like to see some response from the police
Well the police dropped charges due to lack of credible evidences and there is also continuing investigation against cops. So there is almost nothing to say about that. Except of course that 2 colonels were fired after reveal of fake charges. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 15:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Alexander Davronov: OK, I looked at it again and did some editing to bring it up to start-class. The only problem I see is the referencing. This is not the Russian Wikipedia; the sources should be formatted with "trans-title" titles so we English speakers can understand what they say. I formatted some of the English ones. Please see WP:Citation templates. Yoninah (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: the sources should be formatted Yeah I know. I've primarily contributed to the preamble and didn't touch the rest of the article. Almost all sources I've used are in English. The rest of the article was written by another Russian guy who used Russian sources. I hope he will fix the rest. DAVRONOVA.A. ✉ ⚑ 07:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────┘ Yoninah, it looks like Reidgreg has just added trans_title to a number of the sources. One of the article's creators, Kirill Samredny, was blocked as a multi-sock last month, so we should expect nothing further from that editor. Where do things stand now? BlueMoonset (talk) 20:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg The article looks in ok shape now (thanks to Reidgreg for the citation work). But the hook fact is not mentioned or sourced in the article. The newspapers may draw a connection between the public outcry and his release, but I think we need a stronger source for that. Perhaps an alternative hook could be written that is mentioned and sourced on the page. Yoninah (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I came to possibly suggest another hook, but the article seems to almost entirely be about his case and the reaction to it, and there are only two sentences about his personal life. Is there no other known information about him? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:58, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 14[edit]

On Saudi Arabia

Created by Mbazri (talk). Self-nominated at 12:08, 20 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Created within 7 days, size fine, only 1 DYK credit so QPQ unnecessary. I verified all 3 hooks from the sources, and citations are given in the article. Two problems: First, both the hooks and the article itself need copy-editing. "it is authored in On Saudi Arabia" is incorrect and needs to be changed to something like "according to On Saudi Arabia,". "that Karen Elliott House in her book ... says that" could be replaced by "according to Karen Elliott House's book ...,". "the last days of the Soviet Union" is maybe a more natural phrase than "the Soviet Union in its final days".
Secondly, Earwig turns up several chunks of text that have been copy-pasted without quotation marks. These should either be specified as direct quotations or rewritten.
  • I have done a round of cleanup work with Earwig; sections are now either properly quoted or rephrased. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Regarding the selection of hook, I think ALT1 is clearly better than the other two, which both look more like facts about Saudi Arabia rather than the book. The claim that Saudi Arabia is similar to the collapsing Soviet Union is striking and relates directly to House and the book. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 04:05, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Cheers Mary Mark Ockerbloom. Just double-checked and that clears up my Earwig concern; I see you've also improved the article generally. Since the main hook was the only one that needed rewriting, I'm approving this with the caveat that the other two could still be tweaked for style. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 01:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

@Mary Mark Ockerbloom: Thank you for reviewing the DYK and for your comment. Also thank you @Nizolan: for checking and improving the article. I Personally suggest the main hook by making some changes which Mary Mark Ockerbloom mentioned. The suggested sentence could be like this:

... that according to On Saudi Arabia the poorest class of the Saudi Arabia's society are widowed or divorced women, who have to work hard to support their children? --Mbazri (talk) 11:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: No Problem. We can remove the last sentence. I mean this: "who have to work hard to support their children?" Then we will have the following sentence as the hook:
...according to On Saudi Arabia the poorest class of the Saudi Arabia's society are widowed or divorced women?
I can also suggest the following ALTs:

--Mbazri (talk) 06:49, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

  • @Mbazri: what's wrong with ALT1a? It has a little more international appeal. Yoninah (talk) 13:28, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm concerned that some of the phrasing in this article is too close to that of its sources. Compare for example "under the rigid control of Wahhabi fundamentalists, the education system is incapable of preparing Saudis for professional work. Because they refuse to work in blue-collar and service areas, 90 percent of private-sector jobs are filled by foreign workers" with "the education system, in the firm grip of Wahhabi fundamentalists, is spectacularly unable to prepare Saudis for professional jobs. And since most refuse blue-collar and service work, 9 out of 10 private sector jobs are held by foreigners". Nikkimaria (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: I tried to correct it. What do you think about it now?--Mbazri (talk) 13:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Still. Another example is "She has entered into poor slums, rich compounds, and the elegant tents of the royal family — and even, wearing a burqa, the most devout families" vs "managed to get into the poorest slums, the richest compounds, and the most elegant tents of the royal family — and, sometimes garbed in a burqa, into the most devout families". Nikkimaria (talk) 13:28, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria:  Done.--Mbazri (talk) 05:48, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I see that you've edited the two specific examples I've mentioned. These were examples only. Have you checked the rest of the article against its sources? Nikkimaria (talk) 10:36, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 1[edit]

Kim Kardashian, Superstar

Created by Vistadan (talk). Nominated by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) at 14:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The archived hiphoppress.com source seems historically valuable (within the context of Kim Kardashian's life story), but I doubt we can take its claims at face value. The source is a press release by Vivid Entertainment published on hiphoppress.com, with the site acting as a newswire. Vivid, of course, acquired and distributed the tape, making them a primary (and likely unreliable) source. There is also conflicting information: per the article, Ian Halperin has alleged that Kim and her mother leaked the tape to Vivid, which sounds like it conflicts with Vivid's narrative of purchasing it from a third party.
So we have two apparently conflicting versions of events: either a third party sold the tape to Vivid for a million dollars, or the Kardashians leaked it to Vivid themselves. Both versions of events are disputed. I don't know what the basis for Halperin's claims are, but I know Vivid is not a disinterested secondary source—they're an involved party with a likely conflict of interest. I think it would be better to develop an alternate hook, and the article itself could be bulked up with more info. For instance, I imagine there are sources out there providing details about the tape's commercial success? —BLZ · talk 00:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
A drive-by comment, but I strongly suggest that the hook be reworded due to BLP concerns, and also because Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
What do you propose the hook be changed to? I've added an alt that changes "sex tape" to "pornographic film" if that was the BLP concern? Vistadan 14:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
I suppose that might be a better option, but it might still be too "tabloidy" for my tastes. Pinging reviewer Brandt Luke Zorn for their thoughts. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I think using the term "sex tape" is probably OK, honestly. It may sound colloquial or even inappropriate, but it does accurately describe the contents or "genre" of the tape, since "celebrity sex tape" is its own distinct category of porn. "Pornographic film", on the other hand, may sound more formal but is starched of all meaning and specificity. Plus it may even misleadingly suggest that the tape was made in a "professional" production context, which could be a BLP concern in the opposite direction: a "pornographic film" is filmed with the intention that it will be distributed, and we don't want to suggest that a video filmed in a private setting was professionally "produced" (it wasn't) or that it was planned to be distributed at the time of filming (it doesn't seem that way, but that's apparently in dispute at the least).
My issue is more about the questionable grounding of the "fact" in the hook. It's not wrong to say, in the article, that Vivid claimed to have paid $1 million for the tape. It's true that they made that claim, and the cited press release is adequate . But there is a dispute about what really happened (according to the Halperin book, anyway), and the hook relies on a primary source from an involved party with a conflict-of-interest as to how the events are represented, i.e., the press release is not an objective secondhand account of "what really happened". Based on the various sources in the article at the moment and the conflicting accounts, I would not be comfortable using any fact about what happened leading up to the tape's distribution.
On the other hand, I'm not sure which alternate "fact" from the article I would choose for a hook at present. What I do suspect is that the article subject matter is big enough that it could be expanded. It is, after all, one of the most notorious videos of the last 20 years, and one that eventually propelled Kim to an almost unprecedented level of superstardom in the history of celebrity culture. It's been discussed and written about endlessly, which means there must be a sturdier fact out that could be used. For example, just off the top of my head as a Kanye fan, I recall that his line "My girl a superstar all from a home movie" from "Clique" is an allusion to the tape (see e.g. [4]). I'm sure Kanye's mentioned it elsewhere, whether in his lyrics or in interviews or both. There's also Ray J's "I Hit It First". Neither of those songs are mentioned in this article, which means there's more to talk about and more that could be used as a hook out there. —BLZ · talk 20:08, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, i will work on it.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 00:09, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

John Deane (sailor)

  • ... that John Deane and his crew of the Nottingham Galley cannibalised in desperation the ship's deceased carpenter when the ship wrecked on Boon Island in 1710?
    • ALT1:... that the British sailor and diplomat John Deane, was accused of accepting a considerable bribe in exchange for the surrender of the two Swedish vessels whilst captaining a Russian Navy frigate, with his initial sentence reduced by Peter the Great and further exonerated by Fyodor Apraksin?

Created by D.j.atherton (talk). Self-nominated at 11:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg The article meets DYK requirements, meets sourcing requirements, the hook fact is interesting and is mentioned inline and verified. Nominator has no prior DYK credits so no QPQ is required. Earwigs detects some close paraphrasing with this source, which will need to be addressed before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing Narutolovehinata5 - can you possibly confirm whether the close paraphrasing is an issue with the hook fact or the article? I am aware there was an issue with the article that has since been resolved with the help of another user. Thanks for your help! D.J.A (talk) 10:47, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@D.j.atherton: It was with the article. There were some sentences that appear to have been missed from the rewrite. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:48, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: thanks for the clarification! It has hopefully been cleaned up as necessary - earwig report is now at 5%. Hopefully that's alright? Thanks, D.J.A (talk) 11:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks, I think this should be good to go now. Earwigs still has a score of 23% for another source, but the common statements are so short that I think WP:LIMITED applies. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg I note that there are some unsourced paragraphs, some closing sentences to paragraphs that are uncited, and that ALT1 is far too long for a hook? Spokoyni (talk) 20:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Oof, thanks for pointing that out Spokoyni, somehow missed those unsourced paragraphs. But I saw in a recent DYK nomination that the rule only requires at least one reference per paragraph and these can be anywhere in the paragraph (even at the start), though I'd guess this is aside from BLPs or other controversial topics such as politics and medicine. @D.j.atherton: Can you please try lookig for references for the paragraphs without citations? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
No problem, I've missed some obvious things in reviews and wondered how I managed to do so. Easily done. Wikipedia:Inline citation (particularly Wikipedia:CITEDENSE) and Wikipedia:When to cite are pretty generally worded guidelines, probably the most relevant bit is "Everything in [a] paragraph [that] deals with the same, single subject from the same source ... can ... be supported by a single inline citation. The inline citation could be placed at any sensible location, but the end of the paragraph is the most common choice." The only concern with not putting it at the end of a paragraph is I think that someone might come along and wonder if everything that follows after the cite in a paragraph is from a different source, or has no source at all. But it looks like there's no hard rule in wiki generally, and that the DYK rules only state that the hook fact must be cited in the sentence it appears in, and the "rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph". Spokoyni (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi both, Spokoyni and Narutolovehinata5, I have made clearer the sourcing so there shouldn't be any paragraphs left un-sourced. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help this! Thanks both of you! D.J.A (talk) 10:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi D.J.A, good work! At the moment the first paragraph of "Early life" and the second paragraph of "Personal life and retirement" still don't seem to have any cites. There's also a few paragraphs that have no cites at the end. As discussed above, that isn't necessarily a problem, though some users might tag these as uncited. It's up to you if you want to leave them as they are. Spokoyni (talk) 10:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Spokoyni, I'd overlooked those two paragraphs obviously! I see what you mean about the few paragraphs without a citation at the end but I think, unless anyone does flag it as an issue, the current amount are pretty concise? — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.j.atherton (talk • contribs) 10:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
General wikipedia guidelines are pretty relaxed (see above), so if you'd prefer to keep it as it is, that I don't think that should stand in the way of promotion. Of course Narutolovehinata5 is the reviewer here, I'm just chiming in with some thoughts. I'd only say you might have to be prepared to deal with that at some point, possibly while it is on the main page, as articles tend to get a lot of external scrutiny. Spokoyni (talk) 10:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
The rules do require at least one reference per paragraph for DYK articles, so this can't be promoted until that's addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:26, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I believe there is now at least one reference per paragraph. (Also, just to note, the majority of today's DYK articles do not follow this rule. I have a feeling it is not as strict as suggested). Thanks, D.J.A (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. While each paragraph now has a citation, some end sentences still don't have a citation at the end. I'm willing to overlook this and will still give this the tick as long as Spokoyni is satisfied with the new edits, I'm just worried that other editors may not feel the same way. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Certainly no objections here, and of course this is first and foremost your review Narutolovehinata5. If, and I suspect its very likely, the sentences are tagged - especially with the eyes it gets before and during the main page, that will be something the nominator can take up with who tags it. Spokoyni (talk) 02:16, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks. With that in mind, I think this is good to go now. If there are still things that need to be fixed, they probably aren't too major to keep it from promotion. I would suggest changing one mention of "passed away" to "died" per WP:EUPHEMISM, though this is only a minor issue. I've struck ALT1 for being too long, and ALT0 is probably the more eye-catchy hook anyway. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, and did some light editing. I noted several places where citations are required. If you quote someone, or add specific information, you need a cite. I don't know where you get your idea that the majority of today's DYK articles do not follow this rule. Of course they do. Yoninah (talk) 02:08, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Apologies Yoninah, that comment wasn't meant to be rude or dismissive - only to note that the necessity of at least one citation per paragraph did not look to be reflected in all of the articles. One of today's, for example: LGBT cinema in Latin America. I'm happy to go back onto the article and amend where citations are shown - I think I've placed ones in the middle of a paragraph when they apply to the entire paragraph possibly. Thanks! D.J.A (talk) 08:29, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @D.j.atherton: thank you for pointing out that article. (I didn't promote it, and I wouldn't have promoted it with an unreferenced section.) I tagged the article. Yoninah (talk) 11:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 11[edit]

Essex on the Park

Essex on the Park and Hotel Essex
Essex on the Park and Hotel Essex
  • ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was built on a pre-existing ground lease that runs until 2057?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 15:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg A new hook is probably needed, the current one honestly is pretty bland. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:02, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: If that's the case, then if it's okay for you, then this nomination should probably be marked as unsuccessful. Not all articles are meant to be for DYK unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Suggesting a couple of alts. Spokoyni (talk) 08:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that the 57-story Essex on the Park (pictured) was built on a former swimming pool?
  • ALT2 ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was initially planned to be 48 stories tall, though at its completion it stood 57 stories tall?
  • ALT3 ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was initially planned to be 48 stories tall, increasing to 56 stories when construction started, and at its completion stood 57 stories tall?
ALT1 sounds good to me. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm fine with 1.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:54, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A review is still needed for this. If no one else does it within the next few days I'll do it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:28, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article meets newness and length requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, and a QPQ has been found. All hooks except for ALT1 have been struck as lacking interest to broad audiences, and also per the nominator's agreement. There are two minor issues that need to be addressed: while the hook says that the hotel was built on the site of the swimming pool, the article and source only said that the building was planned to be built on that site. The wording in the article needs to be made more explicit that the swimming pool site pushed through. In addition, there's currently a stub template in the article, which needs to be removed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:20, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi @Narutolovehinata5: I have removed the stub template, as it clearly isn't any more.  Done
I have also edited the text a little. I hope it is clearer that both the original plan and the modified plan which was built, were/are next to the original Essex Inn on the site of its former carpark and swimming pool. That is certainly how I read the two sources from 2015 (the original plan) and 2017 (the modified plan).  Done
I hope this helps. RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:15, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks, should be good to go now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Has a QPQ been done? Yoninah (talk) 20:02, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Now that a QPQ has been done I'm restoring the tick; I apologize for missing the missing QPQ in the previous QPQ, it seemed to have missed my mind at the time. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:15, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The QPQ involved is very far from being complete, and this should not be approved until all of the DYK criteria have been checked for at least one of the articles being reviewed. So far, only newness and length have been checked, and a query made about page numbers in a source. In my experience, TonyTheTiger has been reviewing in small, incremental steps, and it can take quite some time before all the criteria have been checked and a review icon posted. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 18[edit]

John A. Spizziri

  • ... that John A. Spizziri proposed allowing people to carry small amounts of prescription tranquilizers, after a man was arrested when Librium pills were found in a jacket that a dog had dragged away? "Arrest Of Patient Stirs Legislature" in The New York Times: "While on a visit in Wood‐Ridge on May 8, Mr. Schwam was carrying in an unmarked one‐inch green and brown vial ‘eight Librium capsules he had taken from a large bottle containing his monthly supply of 120 pills.... A neighborhood dog ran off with his denim jacket containing the vial. woman who later found the jacket but could not learn the owner's name took it to the police, who found the pills and arrested Mr. Schwam under a section ‐of the drug law that prohibits carrying dozens of types of pills and prescribed drugs in anything but the original, labled container provided by a pharmacist.... The new amendment, offered by Assemblyman John A. Spizziri, Republican of Franklin Lakes, would permit person with a legitimate need for a controlled drug to carry a two‐day supply of the pills or medication in any container")
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Alansohn: This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. I think the article is unbalanced. It has a large paragraph, more than half the article in fact, discussing a criminal justice-related incident in detail, all for the sake of mentioning that Spizziri made a proposal to amend the law. So, was the law changed? Did he do nothing else worthy of mention in his whole life? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, I'd prefer to be able to expand the article, but I'm facing challenges finding meaningful sources. A new subscription should help and the article will be updated appropriately. Alansohn (talk) 01:40, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Have you tried asking for help from resource exchanges or other pages like that? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 20[edit]

Maria Grapini

Maria Grapini
Maria Grapini
  • Comment: Now let's see, the entire article, which I have translated from its native rowiki, has only an unsourced DOB and birthplace and some of the words and grammar were lost in translation but other than that it's completely sourced.

Created by FoxyGrampa75 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC).

  • This is just a drive-by comment, but while both hooks are interesting, I can't help but feel that both might fall afoul of BLP. Would like to hear second opinions about this matter, though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, I think personally, the original hook might violate BLP. ALT1 would be better, though, because it says that the media attention from her spelling mistakes was the inspiration for an app, not necessarily saying anything negative about her. epicgenius (talk) 00:09, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook discussion has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:10, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, adequately sourced, with the facts for both hook facts being cited inline. I am assuming good faith for the Romanian-language sources. Nominator has no prior DYK credits so a QPQ is not required at this time. Consensus in this discussion appears to favor ALT1, but just to make sure that BLP concerns won't be raised at some point, I'll be asking BlueMoonset for their thoughts on this matter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Narutolovehinata5, I'm not the best person to ask where the line is for potential BLP issues in hooks, especially as regards ALT1 (the original hook was clearly a problem, so I've struck it). I do not see that ALT1's assertion of the media attention is supported by the source that mentions the Grapinizer, which merely describes how the app works when I look at it using Google Translate, so the sourcing needs work if ALT1 is okay to use from a BLP standpoint. However, the article itself needs a good copyedit before it's ready to be featured on the main page; there are a number of places where I don't understand what happened or where clearly the wrong word has been used. Perhaps a request should be made at the Guild of Copy Editors request page. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: The source (when translated) says "criticized several times in the press", but it didn't look neutral enough, so I used "media attention". I'll try to make some adjustments and another alt-hook. And yes, I took it to WP:GOCER. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 15:34, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Technically, ALT1 is not yet suitable because the reference that verifies it does not appear at the exact sentence mentioning the fact, but rather at the one that comes after. Per the rules, a footnote or footnotes should be provided in all sentences where facts are mentioned, even if this is not normally required outside of DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
If the reference has been added, then ALT1 should technically now be suitable; however, due to BLP concerns I'm only willing to approve it if other editors are satisfied with it (i.e. don't think it's unduly negative). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:11, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Requesting a second opinion on ALT1's suitability and opinions on whether or not it is BLP-compliant. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:33, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I have just changed "grammatical mistakes" in the article to "spelling and punctuation mistakes", which is what the source says the app inserts into text. I do have concerns about ALT1, though - the source does seem to be making fun of her. The translated article starts "Grapinizer, the online application that "corrects" your texts according to the Maria Grapini model. The online application, called Grapinizer, gives users the opportunity to enter a correct grammatical text in a box in Romanian, and then, using the "Grapinize" option, to see what the text looks like in the grapinized version. ... Thus, the online application adds pointless commas, changes the order of the letters in words, and removes the space after punctuation." And it does say she "has been criticized several times in the press for the grammatical errors in the posts she wrote on the social network" (a fost criticată de mai multe ori în presă pentru greşelile gramaticale din postările pe care le-a scris pe reţeaua de socializare.) That's not just attention. Without examples, and without knowing Romanian, it's hard to be sure, but difficulty with spelling can be a symptom of dyslexia. If there are aspects of her writing that show "grammatical errors" other than punctuation and spelling, as a linguist, I would tend to think of dialect differences rather than "errors" - but either way, the attention seems to be negative, and not something to focus on. Personally, I don't think it's appropriate as a hook - I would compare it to using Trump's covfefe, Pauline Hanson's "please explain?" or George W Bush's "nucular" as hooks. They're mentioned in articles, but as far as I know, have not been put on the main page. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Not reviewing, but a quick comment from a Romanian speaker. As much as dislike Mrs Grapini's politics, the hook is in poor taste and infringes on the BLP requirement (the article could probably be toned down as well). The issue, however, is not dialectal variation, and it's anyone's guess if it is dyslexia; Mrs Grapini makes systematic errors in spelling between words that sound the same in the same variety of Romanian, but are not spelled the same, or fails to inflect the words based on universal rules (uses verbs in the singular for the plural, which is an absolute shibboleth in Romanian); her punctuation is off to where it shows she doesn't quite grasp the inherent grammatical structure (like marking subordinate clauses with a comma, but without adding another comma as they end -- not that big a deal in English, but the sort of rule which, in Romanian, would see children getting a failing grade on their papers). She also uses â instead of î in compound words, etc. etc. She produces a phraseology that barely makes sense in any language: Neâncrederea, lipsa de informaţii, manipularea, lipsa de multe ori de cultură au domnit ani mulţi şi asta a făcut ca furia, şi dorinţa de blamare globală fără analiză cu discernământ să se dezvolte; "Lack of trust, lack of information, manipulation, lack of many times culture have ruled for many years and this is what has made anger, and the wish to blame globally without analysis with discernment to develop" (my translation). Dahn (talk) 07:59, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @FoxyGrampa75: As several editors think that the ALT1 hook is not BLP-compliant, I have struck that hook too. Would you like to suggest another? And perhaps also work on the article a bit, as per Dahn's comment just above that "the article could probably be toned down as well"? RebeccaGreen (talk) 20:18, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @RebeccaGreen: Good news. I think this one [5] (in Romanian) may be a good source for a good hook. I'd check now, but I gotta go get some sleep. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 03:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 22[edit]

The Art of Sanctions

  • ... that the sanction is an art and its efficiency depend on the manipulations of the policy makers according to Richard Nephew's new book, The Art of Sanctions?
    • ALT1:... that The Art of Sanctions is a book that, written by Richard Nephew, expose the variables which influence to sanctions regime?
    • ALT2:... that Richard Nephew, a former U.S. sanction expert, shares his experiences about the using of sanctions against a target in his book which named The Art of Sanctions?
    • ALT3:... that achieving to the foreign policy aims via sanctions against a target has a manner and Richard Nephew, an US sanction's expert, shares his experience with you in The Art of Sanctions?
  • Comment: Hi dear admin, I just expanded the Article since 22 July 2019. The creator of page is someone else. I used the first time, 22 July 2019, that I had started to expanding the article for the main DYK nominations page. I hope you accept my interesting nomination.

5x expanded by Forest90 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:49, 26 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article has been expanded fivefold (90 words -> 590 words). The user apparently has just 2 DYK nominations, so no QPQ required. AGF on Persian sources, but I'm not sure what's the status of sources like Mehr News Agency whether they are considered reliable. Atleast some of the Persian language sources seem duplicate to other sources. There are two "verification needed" tags which should be fixed. Not quite yet there. --Pudeo (talk) 18:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi @Forest90:, I have read this article. It is interesting, but it needs a bit more work to make the meaning clearer. I just placed some tags saying "clarification needed", and another editor had already placed some too. If you look at the article in Edit mode, you can see the questions we have about the meaning.
I can also see that in some parts of the article, the sentences and parts of sentences are the same as in some of the sources and in this website [6] about the book. It is better to try to write sentences a bit differently, otherwise there could be a problem with Wikipedia policies about WP:COPYVIO, WP:PLAGIARISM or WP:PARAPHRASE. I understand that it is extra difficult to choose a different way of saying something in another language.
The article needs some work on meaning and grammar. I saw on your User Talk page that someone has helped you fix problems in another article. Could you maybe ask them to help you with this article too? Sometimes the Guild of Copy Editors can help, but if some of the problems are about translating from another language, or explaining in English something you are thinking, or have a source about, in your language, it really helps to have someone else who knows your language and can help with putting what you want to say into English. Then, after that, if there are any little things to fix, the copy editors could help. I hope this is helpful. RebeccaGreen (talk) 20:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 24[edit]

Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections

  • Reviewed: IOU Template:Did you know nominations/Arudji Kartawinata
  • Comment: This article could be contentious, but I think that a fact based hook should be okay. It's slightly older than 7 days from the time of the article creation to my nomination, but that's because it was nominated for deletion and I did not want to nominated until that closed.

Created by Muboshgu (talk) and XOR'easter (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 21:12, 4 August 2019 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:
  • New Enough: Red XN - This article was created on 24 July 2019. The earliest time this article could have been nominated was 31 July 2019.
  • Long Enough: Green tickY

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Doesn't give context for non-US readers.

QPQ: Red XN - Pending...
Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg @MJL: Considering the article was at AfD until yesterday I think it's fair to give the nominator some leniency on the usual deadline and not just close the nomination outright. No opinion on other criticisms. – Teratix ₵ 04:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    @Teratix: Am I allowed to do that? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 04:32, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    My understanding is that if a reviewer uses Symbol delete vote.svg it means "this is not suitable for DYK" and marks the nomination for closure. If you merely mean it requires more work but could still be eligible, generally Symbol possible vote.svg or Symbol question.svg would be the appropriate icons.
    You are, of course, allowed to do this, but I think the issues with the article are fixable and the seven-day deadline should be relaxed. – Teratix ₵ 04:46, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this on the main page because I think it shows the diverse types of content Wikipedia has to offer (I can't recall the last election related page that got promoted). I just don't want to get in trouble.
    I've switched the status to "again" if that helps. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 04:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
    Question: is the "doesn't give context for non-US readers" criticism of the hook based on the hook not explaining who Robert Mueller is? (I worked on the article, as noted above, but I have no real experience at DYK.) XOR'easter (talk) 15:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
    @XOR'easter: Yeah, pretty much. To anyone who doesn't really know why he is significant, then they don't know why the whole hook is important. If there was info about how he just spent 2 or so years investigating Russian interference in US elections, then it'd be a good hook.
    @Teratix: I don't know if you're still interested in reviewing this or anything? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:10, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
    I don't trust myself to assess the neutrality of a US politics article :) – Teratix ₵ 00:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
    A couple possibilities that sprang to mind:
    ALT1: ... that according to Robert Mueller, who led a twenty-two-month-long investigation of foreign interference in the 2016 United States presidential election, Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections is ongoing?
    ALT2: ... that according to Robert Mueller, who led a twenty-two-month-long investigation into misconduct surrounding the 2016 United States presidential election, Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections is ongoing?
    XOR'easter (talk) 13:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
┌─────────────────────────┘ I like both ALTs. QPQ is provided. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to check the two ALT hooks and also to make any other needed checks, including the submitted QPQ. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article was new enough (given the AfD) and long enough. QPQ was done, it addressed one issue, and the reviewed article hook appeared on the main page on 18 August. Earwig shows copyvio unlikely. The article has sufficient inline citations.
I have some concerns about neutrality. There is discussion on Talk:Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections about possibly retitling the article, as it also mentions interference by China and Iran. One of the sources also names North Korea, and another names Saudi Arabia, Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela, however, they are not mentioned in the article. One editor suggests that retitling would involve a controversial move discussion on the Talk page. Those comments date from 30 July 2019, but have not been followed up. Pinging the editors who participated in that discussion: @Pilaz: @XOR'easter: @Muboshgu: @Theoallen1:
I also note that on 7 August there was an IP edit saying "Don't read this stupid bullshit, they have never interfered in out elections. The Democrats just can't handle the fact that they lost and no one wants their shitty policies in the US. Liberals please all of you go die." If this article appears on the main page, I think it might need some protection to avoid more of that kind of vandalism.
As far as the hook is concerned, although the Mueller investigation has been widely reported (I've read about it in Australia) I wondered whether it might be of more widespread interest to mention that the director of the FBI is concerned about foreign interference in the 2020 election, as many people know of the FBI through movies, TV shows, etc. Also, I think it might be more neutral to say just "foreign interference", or "foreign interference from countries including Russia, China and Iran". RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
The article should be moved. I oppose the nomination. Theoallen1 (talk) 21:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I see no pressing need to rename the article, given that Russia is consistently the primary concern across all the sources, and other countries can be discussed as broader context. Nor do I think it is an urgent matter to restructure the article, though it is now getting long enough that division into sections might be appropriate. XOR'easter (talk) 15:42, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 28[edit]

Ruth Doggett

Ruth Doggett by Gilman
Ruth Doggett by Gilman

Created by Moonraker (talk) and RebeccaGreen (talk). Self-nominated at 09:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment I note that the article Ruth Doggett is primarily referenced to primary sources, and does not make a clear claim, nor provide evidence, of notability. I am searching for more sources to improve the article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you, RebeccaGreen. I would not have said *primarily*, and there is no other substantial biography of Ruth Doggett, so some reliance on primary sources can't be avoided, but you have made big improvements and I am adding you above as a co-creator. Moonraker (talk) 19:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • A new hook is probably needed as the current one is really bland. It does not make sense to people who don't know who Gilman is. Looking at Doggett's article, there are many other possible hook facts that may work better, such as perhaps something related to critics' reviews of her work, or perhaps about the time she won a prize that was worth £5. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • That is a subjective opinion, if not a deliberately wrecking one, Narutolovehinata5. I do not agree that it is “bland”, it is interesting from an artistic point of view, and it is even better with the picture. Please feel free to suggest a more interesting way to introduce the picture. Moonraker (talk) 10:16, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
As I mentioned earlier, it isn't interesting to anyone who doesn't know who Gilman is. What makes the fact that Doggett was painted by Gilman interesting compared to any other portrait? And in fact, it could even be argued that the hook focuses much more on Gilman than it does on Doggett, considering the placement of "portrait pictured" and the wording itself. And it's not like the picture can't work in the hook with any other hook, as other options could always go "... that Ruth Dogget (portrait pictured)" or something to that effect. Anyway, looking at the article again, here are some possible options:
  • ALT1 ... that when Ruth Doggett (portrait pictured) submitted a poster design to the Cambridge Arts and Crafts Society, her prize money was £5?
  • ALT2 ... that a review of the London Group's exhibition in 1936 noted that, while much of the event seemed "perverse and downright silly", Ruth Doggett's (portrait pictured) featured work formed "welcome oases of sense and sensibility"? (this hook is over 200 characters so it could be shortened)
  • ALT3 ... that the work of Ruth Doggett (portrait pictured) has been described as "welcome oases of sense and sensibility" and "perfect control of what may be termed 'colour-tone'"?
I understand that these hooks no longer focus on the Gilman portrait, but at least these focus on Doggett herself, who is the hook subject after all. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:34, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Some possible alternative hooks - I also thought the first hook suggested needed more interest. Painters often paint portraits of other painters ....
  • ALT2b ... that a review of the London Group's 1936 exhibition noted that many works seemed "perverse and downright silly", but Ruth Doggett's (portrait pictured) formed "welcome oases of sense and sensibility"?
  • ALT4 ... that the works of Ruth Doggett (portrait pictured) stood out to exhibition reviewers as exceptions from the general “appalling dullness” and “perverse and downright silly” work of others? RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:32, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • RebeccaGreen, could I please leave it to you to deal with this page from now on? I do not have hours and days and weeks for fending off the efforts of Narutolovehinata5 to reinvent the DYK rules for his own purposes. I guess he has nothing better to do. Moonraker (talk) 14:47, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Moonraker, Sure, no problem. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:54, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't see how my earlier comments are "reinventing the DYK rules for my own purposes" when all I said was that the original hook failed to appeal to a broad audience (which is an actual DYK rule, albeit admittedly a contentious one) and even Rebecca agreed that a better hook was needed. In any case, since I helped propose new hooks, a new reviewer would be needed anyway. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with DYK rules but I think what NLH5 is trying to say is this: Most people don't know who Doggett or Gilman are, and because of that, the hook is not interesting. People have painted other people for thousands of years, probably hundreds of thousands of times. Why is it interesting that THIS person painted THAT person? I briefly read the article and learned that she was an art student and he was his master. That's cool. How about something like: DYK ALT5: ... that when studying art, student Ruth Doggett was painted (portrait pictured) by her teacher Harold Gilman? That's much more interesting. TarkusABtalk/contrib 21:00, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg We're gonna need a new reviewer here to check all the hook options so far. Per Rebecca's agreement that a new hook was needed, ALT0 has been struck. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:50, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I think it's going to need a full review, as it doesn't seem that one has been done. Re QPQ: I did a review of Template:Did you know nominations/Brigitte Kronauer for my 6th DYK, which has been promoted ahead of this one and is now my 5th DYK credit, so that QPQ can be applied here. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't think a new QPQ is necessary since Moonraker was the original nominator and he already provided a QPQ. You are still free to use the QPQ for Kronauer in a subsequent nomination. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:05, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed of article and ALT hooks. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:43, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Abraham Bishop

  • [First nomination, so no QPQ required. Dr Aaij (talk) 01:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)]

Created by Watsherm (talk). Self-nominated at 05:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Most obvious things first: The article history's a bit tricky to parse but it is DYK eligible—it was a user draft briefly taken in and out of mainspace on July 13–15 and then re-created July 28. I verified the hook from the source, which is reliable enough for the purpose (Yale alumni mag article by the chief archivist of the university library). There seem to have been copyvio issues in the past based on the history but Earwig doesn't detect anything in its current state. Policy requirements check out; a 15-year-old Yale graduate seems interesting enough. I cleaned up some grammar and style issues I found in the article.
Before approving this, though, there are a few issues I'd like sorted out. Firstly, the article does not give a source for the important descriptions of Bishop as an "economic populist" and a "civic leader". Secondly—and connected to that—the hook ought to include a brief description of Bishop to help interest potential readers so he isn't just a graduation statistic (e.g. "that Connecticut civic leader Abraham Bishop..."). Finally, there's a minor referencing oddness in the article itself which might need to be sorted out: Why is Georgia Speculation Unveiled in the works list specifically sourced to page 39 of itself? The easiest way to cite a bibliography like this is probably just to list the books themselves in a citation format. I added external links myself to the two that weren't explicitly cited. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 01:01, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Nizolan, thanks for your work on this article. I'm looking at the issues. That "civic leader"--well, as a general term that seems to be borne out by claims like "Bishop worked to improve and establish importance of education via efforts such as consolidating schools and introducing graded classrooms"--I could replace it with "educationist" but I hate the word. Anyway, I see now that all those terms, including "gentleman farmer", are verified in the Yale article, "A firebrand from the Class of 1778".

You may have guessed that Watsherm was a student and that class is over. He asked about his grades, but I doubt that he'll be coming back here, which is sad--he hasn't yet, so I'll do what I can. I don't know why that page is listed--I am going to guess it's some oddity.

Update: I know what happened. The student was using the ref tool to get a book citation, and it automatically inserted it as a footnote. Hey, at least their Reftools work--I've been doing these by hand for almost a decade. I also saw that these Babcocks, printers and publishers, maybe deserve an article. Nizolan, tell me what else you see--while I tweak the hook. Dr Aaij (talk) 21:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dr Aaij: Thanks for picking this up—hopefully Watsherm wasn't scared off by my review! I missed "civic leader" on the article, thanks for pointing that out (and also for figuring out the reference issue). I'm digging through the sources more thoroughly at the moment and I'm a bit confused by the "Federalist" description. Bishop himself was very much a Republican and a Jeffersonite, and the article discusses his attacks on the Federalists, so I think the hook is inaccurate there. But the article is a bit confusing on the point.
The article says that Bishop's family was Federalist, but I can't see that in the two sources it cites. "New Political Writings by Thomas Payne" only says that the state was Federalist, and doesn't mention the family. It also seems to be contradicted by Jefferson's appointment of Bishop's dad after the election—as written currently, this looks like a non sequitur: "The Bishop family was Federalist ... making it impossible for Thomas Jefferson to capture that state's majority vote during his presidential election. After Jefferson won the Presidential election of 1800, he appointed Abraham Bishop's father, Samuel ... as a way of thanking Abraham for his efforts" (he rewarded his father for opposing him??)
My last sticking point is still "economic populist" because it's only mentioned in a user comment beneath the Yale article. Based on the sources I think a more precise term like "radical Republican" or simply "radical" might be better. Finally, life dates aren't usually included in DYK hooks (compare the hooks in the archives) so I've gone ahead and struck them in the suggestion, the era is clear anyway because of the graduation date. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 21:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Hey Nizolan, you're right. Problem is, I don't know a thing about early US politics and I really don't want to learn--I'm looking at this 42-page article, "Abraham Bishop's Vocation; or, the Mediation of Jeffersonian Politics", and I don't want to plow through all that to a. figure out the politics; b. rewrite that sentence which, you are correct, is a non sequitur; c. rewrite the lead, which I find very ... awkward (he was "known" for his family's politics?). BTW I frequently put those dates in DYK hooks, but sure. So let's just leave this be; we both have put in more time than Whatsherm by now. If you really want to pursue this and get it on the front page since you put in a fair amount of work, I can come back to it, but I'm a bit pressed for time now, with the new semester starting... Thanks again, Dr Aaij (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@Dr Aaij: No problem (apologies for not replying earlier, have been quite busy this week). I might see if I can still salvage the DYK nomination if I have the time in a bit as I do think it's almost there. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 21:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Inviting Gwillhickers to take a look at this, as the subject matter (early American history) appears to be his specialty and he might be able to help out with the other issues. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:54, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Bishop did not graduate in 1788, like the two above hooks say. The source says, "After graduating from Yale at the young age of 15, he was admitted to the bar in 1785." (Emphasis added)  I also corrected this error in the article. — Jefferson was a staunch Republican and strongly opposed Alexander Hamliton's Federalist and elitist ideas, so I'm wondering about the support mentioned in the lede, for openers. Bishop was a Republican yet the lede more than suggests he was a federalist because of his family. Lede is very short and needs to be clarified on that note.  In any case, other than the year date error, the nominator's original hook is the most interesting, by far. Here's another hook based on this idea:
  • ALT2 ... that Abraham Bishop graduated from Yale University at the age of 15, and in 1785 was admitted to the bar? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:00, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT2 sounds good, though I've added a comma to make it read better. Is this good to go Nizolan? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:34, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As Nizolan hasn't been active for almost two weeks now, a new reviewer may be needed to sign this off. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:52, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The issues identified above still need to be addressed. The lede still says he was known for his family's Federalism, and does not make clear that he was a Republican, although his family were Federalists. (If stating that he was an economic populist is meant to indicate that he was a Republican, that's not clear to me.) I also see no sources for the statement that he was a "gentleman farmer" - only the lede and the info box state that he was a farmer, and neither has a source. There is some information about that in the Yale Alumni Magazine source, but that part of his life has not been covered at all in this article.
The section on Political views (why is this separate from Career??) still has the confusing and apparently contradictory sentences mentioned above:
"The Bishop family was Federalist, and so was the state of Connecticut, making it impossible for Thomas Jefferson to capture that state's majority vote during his presidential election. After Jefferson won the Presidential election of 1800, he appointed Abraham Bishop's father, Samuel, as the lucrative post of Collector of the Port of New Haven, as a way of thanking Abraham for his efforts."
The source is a bit clearer, stating
"In the 1800 presidential election year, Connecticut Republicans had hopes of victory, and Bishop found a new career as a party politician. ....... In the event, the Federalists kept control in Connecticut, but Thomas Jefferson won the presidency. He rewarded Bishop’s support by appointing his father to the lucrative post of Collector of the Port of New Haven; upon Samuel’s death in 1803, Abraham succeeded him."
So the article needs editing.
The Family section has the sentence "They gave birth to Mary Ann Bishop, but later divorced in 1800." The first half seems very awkward to me (they gave birth?), and the date is not the same as in the only online source, which gives the date of divorce as 1797.
The two facts in ALT2 are supported by a source, and are directly cited in the article now that I have added a citation after the sentence about his graduation. I don't find the info about when he was admitted to the bar particularly interesting, nor relevant to what he became notable for. I don't think graduating at the age of 15 was unusual at that time, either (this book [8] refers to a 12-year-old and a 15-year-old), though probably not many readers would be aware of that. There may be other interesting facts about his life - but I don't think the article is ready for DYK, unless/until someone is prepared to work on the issues identified about a month ago. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:31, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Final ping to Nizolan, Dr Aaij, and Gwillhickers: if any of you would like to take on the task of addressing the issues noted in RebeccaGreen's review, then the nomination will remain open. If not, though, I agree with her conclusion, and if nothing happens in the next seven days, the nomination will be marked for closure. Thank you for your work thus far. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
I pointed out the wrong date of Bishop's graduation, some time ago, fixed it in the article, and that the lede gave the impression that Bishop was a federalist, which is more than implied in the lede with the reference to his family. I'm hoping there is enough interest among present reviewers to get the final issues straightened out. I'll check back in a day or so to see if anyone else has made efforts. Also, I don't think graduating from Yale Univ, at age 15, was anything common then, and I find that, and the fact that Bishop was admitted to the bar shortly thereafter very interesting. Hope we're not going to get into one of those fuzzy debates about what's interesting to the entire world out there. My advice would be to get any pressing issues (regarding facts, citations and sources) straightened out first, before inventing new issues. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 30[edit]

Blind Injustice (opera)

  • ... that Blind Injustice is an opera telling the true stories of six people who were wrongfully convicted and later exonerated in Ohio? Source: "Cincinnati Opera has premiered a new opera that chronicles the stories of six people wrongfully convicted in Ohio and in the process, puts America's criminal justice system on trial" [9]
  • Reviewed: This is my fifth (last) exempt nomination.

Created by Kenirwin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:16, 3 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Part of the section Composition and premiere is not referenced, most of the Roles section needs to be referenced, the last sentence of Synopsis needs to be referenced, the Musical numbers section needs to be referenced along with the Recording section. An old revision had a clean copy where only the list of roles need to be referenced. The new additions need to be referenced or removed somehow. The hook is fine. A QPQ is not needed. SL93 (talk) 22:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks @SL93: -- I'm looking into how to address these voluminous unsourced edits. Evidently it is partly standard for opera articles to include long, unsourced synopses. I'll see what I can do to handle them so it can move forward. -Kenirwin/(talk) 18:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
  • The nominator hasn't edited in over a week and hasn't edited the article in over a month. Pinging Gerda Arendt as she's the resident opera expert and has edited the article a bit; hopefully see or another editor could help improve the article further or address SL93's concerns. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 3[edit]

Before Freedom: Nehru's letters to his sister 1909–1947

Jawaharlal Nehru and his sister Nan
Jawaharlal Nehru and his sister Nan

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 15:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg - Whispyhistory QPQ  Done, Copyvio  Done. Article is well sourced. I have some issues on the preposed image File:Allahabad, Anand Bhawan 6 (40151268532).jpg, is this a free image? There's some notes on it only being in the public domain in India. The hook is a little confusing to me. It should probably say what "Before freedom" is, as it came across to me to be an organisation of some sort. Do we know how many of Jawaharlal's letters there were? 38 years of letters against a quantative number doesn't sit right for me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
That's the wrong version. The image and licences are here. Philafrenzy (talk) 06:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing @Lee Vilenski:. I couldn't see number of letters written anywhere. Different editions have contained a diferent number. Asking @Philafrenzy: to rethink hook and comment on image please. Whispyhistory (talk) 03:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't see anything wrong with the hook. It's clear it's a book because we are talking about letters and it's italicised. As for the number, that's what the article says "She includes five letters from Nan to Nehru and two from Nehru to Ranjit." Ref. 8. The whole point of it is the contrast between 38 years' worth of letters from him but only five replies. It doesn't mean she didn't write back more, but raises the question of why they are not included which creates curiosity in the reader. Philafrenzy (talk) 06:40, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to finish the review. Philafrenzy (talk) 05:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg I have read the article and made a few edits, with edit summaries which I hope explain what I've done and why. I have a few questions that I can't see the answers to in the article - perhaps Whispyhistory or Philafrenzy would be able to explain? Most of these are about clarity in the article, and don't specifically relate to the hook - though the last two questions here do.

  • At the end of Part three, there is a quote from Nehru: "Indu, I feel, is extraordinarily imaginative and self-centred or subjective." Who is Indu? This is the first mention of her.
    •  Done
  • Part four starts "Anand Bhawan became "desolate" following the death of Motilal Nehru in 1931 ...." It took me a minute to remember that Anand Bhawan was a house. For me, it doesn't make sense to say that a house was desolate - perhaps it felt desolate to someone - Nehru? So perhaps "Following the death of Motilal Nehru in 1931, Kamala in 1936 and the departure of Indira to attend school abroad, Nehru felt that his home Anand Bhawan had become "desolate"." Then going on "He had already tried to persuade ..."
    •  Done
  • Part six: I think the first sentence would be clearer if it said something like: "which left Nan a widow before the reformation of personal law which was completed after independence" - ?
    •  Done
  • I'm not sure what "Nehru's trust in Nan as the most responsible person to him" means?
    •  Done
  • What does "A number of footnotes are also missing" mean? Were there some footnote numbers in the book which have no corresponding footnotes?
    •  Done
  • The lede says "The book also contains a few selected letters from Nan", while the last section says "Responses to all of Nehru's letters by Nan are absent and no reason is given for the missing years between 1913 and 1925, 1928 and 1930, January to October 1941 and December 1944." Is this referring to years for which there are no letters from Nan to Nehru? The only dates mentioned for letters from Nan to Nehru are 1921 and 1931, so that doesn't really fit with "missing years between 1913 and 1925". Perhaps it would be better just to say in the lede "contains a few letters from Nan ..." if it's not clear why those letters were included and others not? Although it does seem that the two for which the date is given set the scene for that section, so perhaps it's the final section which could be made clearer. Perhaps something like "Very few of Nan's responses to Nehru's letters are included; it is not clear whether they exist and have been omitted, or whether some are missing" - or am I reading too much into this?
  • Re the number of letters from Nehru to Nan: the article states that the later edition has one extra letter, so it should not be hard to say how many of Nehru's letters to Nan are published in the two editions, compared to the five letters from Nan to Nehru. I will have a think about the hook, but perhaps we could actually give a number for Nehru's letters?
RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for a thorough review @RebeccaGreen:....I'll work through the points above and ping back in a few days. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:15, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 4[edit]

Ester Peony

Ester Peony
Ester Peony

Improved to Good Article status by BabbaQ (talk) and Cartoon network freak (talk). Nominated by BabbaQ (talk) at 23:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg First of all, both hooks are referenced with citations from a tabloid newspaper (and they're also quite uninteresting: "did you know that not everyone likes musician's music?"). This raises another issue: how is it that this article was able to pass a GA review (quite rubber-stamp, incidentally) with such poor sourcing? Not just the tabloid articles, which seem to provide the major source of information for what's in the article, but also a blog and direct links to the iTunes store. I'm sorry, but this article clearly fails DYK, and should really be submitted for a second GA review. Dahn (talk) 10:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Bring that up with Cartoon network freak who is the one responsible for the GA nom and improvements. I am here for the DYK. I do not share your comcerns for the sources. But I can surely bring another hook.BabbaQ (talk) 11:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Please see WP:DYKRULES, which specifically instructs that articles can only be considered if they're up to minimal standards, including on sourcing. We don't separate the issues. Dahn (talk) 13:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Additionally, it appears that the QPQ was absolutely perfunctory, which only adds to the nom's problems. Dahn (talk) 16:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • If anything, I'd take this to GA review for some instances of confusing phrasing and poor structure (section layout). Perhaps the DYK can go on hold whilst issues are addressed. Kingsif (talk) 16:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
GA review here, for those interested. Kingsif (talk) 17:38, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination is on hold while the GA reassessment is ongoing. If the reassessment closes with the GA status left intact, then the review will resume; if it is delisted, then the nomination will be closed as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
@Dahn, BlueMoonset, and Cartoon network freak: GA review done; with improvements, it is kept as a GA. DYK review can resume. Kingsif (talk) 20:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Kingsif. Whoever continues the review should note that a different QPQ has been submitted now for this nomination. If Dahn isn't interested in doing so, I can call for a new reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Massive improvements on the article, and QPQ submission noted. However, ALT 0 and ALT 1 still have issues; ALT 2 is passable, but also not really interesting -- hasn't Justin Bieber, and since him one in three singers, already achieved fame for doing the same thing? Dahn (talk) 21:19, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 7[edit]

Britten's Purcell Realizations

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ is needed and the hook needs to be rewritten because it is currently ungrammatical. It might be better not to pipe the link. Ping me when you are ready for me to complete the review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Pleae let me know more precisely what the problem is. I tried to avoid to say "in Britten's Purcell Realizations", Benjamin Britten realized works by Henry Purcell", to avoid repetition, and because the two are the best-known English compoers, and whoever will not recognize the names, will probably not care about any of the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
The hook has no main verb. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
The verb is "realized". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
No, "realized songs" is (or acts as) a noun for the possessive "Britten's". The hook does need a rewrite; at a bare minimum (though I recommend a more extensive recasting) "were written" should be added after "for voice and piano". BlueMoonset (talk) 21:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Sorry about the mistaken possessive.
ALT1: ... that Benjamin Britten realized several songs by Henry Purcell for piano beginning in 1945 when Purcell's 250th anniversary of death was remembered?
"was written for voice and piano" is wrong, becaue the vocal part was written by Purcell, and Britten only "realized" the figured bass (which in Purcell' time would have been played by a continuo group) for piano. I may need help with the wording. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Thank you. ALT1 looks good, though I think "commemorated" is better than "remembered", but we still need a QPQ. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
I've copyedited the article. Although this are called "realizations", they seem to be as much arrangements as realizations: as the article makes clear, Britten goes well beyond the figured bass. I also think that most people are going to be confused by "realized" in the context of the hook, being unaware of the specific musical meaning. Suggesting the following recasting of the hook (note that I specified voice and piano because song arrangements are made for piano minus the words but including the vocal melodic line):
(ec) Thank you for the better word:
ALT3: ... that Benjamin Britten realized several songs by Henry Purcell for piano beginning in 1945 when Purcell's 250th anniversary of death was commemorated?
BlueMoonset, thanks for the article work. Knowing ERRORS, some were written later, so not "to commemorate". Also I do think we need to explain the title if we don't use its wording.
ALT4: ... that in his Purcell Realizations, Benjamin Britten arranged the accompaniment of songs by Henry Purcell for piano, beginning in 1945 when his 250th anniversary of death was commemorated? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
I am reviewing Ernst Dammann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Changing the second ALT3 to be ALT4, to avoid potential confusion. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:13, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT2 is the best and most understandable of the new hooks, but to accommodate Gerda's point, we could have ALT2a -
Do you really think we should not mention the word "Realization" if it's in the title? Or alternatively mention the title? "arrange" just doesn't mean the same, at least for me. Having said that, I can live with ALT2a - always nice to have a long bold string - but am afraid it's misleading. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, I think its OK, because the word "realizations" in this context is unfamiliar, and few people will know what it means. However, if you want to suggest a different hook, please go ahead. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:17, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Just butting in here - I also think that ALT2a works well. I would not know what "realising" means in this context, but arranging, yes. Then, if I am interested in Britten and Purcell, I will click on the article and learn about realising (and about figured bass, to which I have just added a link, as I am a musical ignoramus). RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:36, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
PS I meant to say, the information about the figured bass in Purcell's time, that it would have been played by a continuo group, is interesting, and it's not in this article or Henry Purcell. I think it would add to the understanding of what both composers did to include it in this article. It is in the Figured bass article, but it would be more accessible if included in this, I think. As I said, I am a musical ignoramus, so many things that are obvious to those who are knowledgeable about music of this period are new to me! RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, I hesitate because it's basically true for all pieces of Baroque music, Handel operas, Bach cantatas, you name it, - should we really insert it in all? We don't even for FAs, so far. It seems a bit like saying every time when symphony orchestra is mentioned that it contains a string section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
It makes sense not to, then. And with a link to Figured bass (I hope that's OK), there is information available anyway. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svgAdding another ALT hook and a request for a new reviewer. This hook is a slight tweak of ALT4:
ALT4a: ... that in his Purcell Realizations, Benjamin Britten arranged songs by Henry Purcell for voice and piano, as a commemoration of the 250th anniversary of Purcell's death?
What do you think, Gerda Arendt? RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the offer. Being picke - sorry:
  • I don't understand Purcell Realizations as I title, so just Purcell Realizations.
  • "songs by Henry Purcell for voice and piano" sounds like Purcell wrote them for voice and piano (while the key point is that the piano wasn't even invented when he wrote them.
  • I miss a year, afraid that without being told when the 250th ... was, our general readers will have no idea.
  • I also envision ERRORS to point out that only some Britten's realizations were "to commemorate", while others were written later.
Do you want to try harder? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, since you used Purcell Realizations (bold italic) in your own ALT4, it is odd to see you objecting to its use for ALT4a, a modified version of your own proposal. It looks fine to me; the Hyperion CD set uses Purcell Realizations as a title. I read the "arranged" section as "arranged ... for voice and piano" much like your original hook's realized songs by Henry Purcell for voice and piano, but if it is, on further reflection, overly ambiguous, perhaps "arranged figured bass songs" will solve that, and "in part to commemorate the 250th anniversary" to address the final issue. Updating ALT4a; resulting hook is 189 characters:
BlueMoonset, you note well how torn I am whether it's a title, which made he seek refuge in a pipe link. It's not a title that Britten gave this collection, only one of several ways of a description. I like your ALT4 best so far, and could live with it, including the italics, but while songs is general, figured bass songs is limited (+ I never heard the term, but that could be just me), and it would for my understanding not imply the many melodies (arias and a few duets) from the stage works. Any way to suggest better than "in part" that the anniversary gave the idea? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
ps: reading ALT1 again, I believe that solved some problems. Why not let people find out what "realize" means? - It's DYK, after all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 9[edit]

Suli Lake, Dabiele Lake, Xiaobiele Lake

The Qarhan Playa, with Suli & other Bieletan lakes in the west
The Qarhan Playa, with Suli & other Bieletan lakes in the west
  • ... that the Qarhan Playa's Bieletan Subbasin (pictured)—including the Suli, S. Suli, Dabiele, and Xiaobiele salt lakes—is China's largest source of brine lithium? [Source: "Lithium is also richly reserved in the brines of six salt lakes with a total of 15.2×10⁶ t in LiCl (Zhang, 2000), which accounts for about 80% of the total brine lithium found in China..." (p. 171); "Bieletan (BLT)... Lithium reserves of brine deposit in LiCl×10³ t... 7740" (p. 172); see also "the total lithium reserves in the brine deposit of the BLT exceeds the sum total of the reserves in the DT, XT and YLP" (p. 181) and, for the extent of the BLT subbasin and lakes included, see p. 177—Yu & al., "Geomorphic, Hydroclimatic, and Hydrothermal Controls on the Formation of Lithium Brine Deposits in the Qaidam Basin, Northern Tibetan Plateau, China" (PDF), Ore Geology Reviews, No. 50.]
  • Reviewed: Will do. Donald Dean Jackson, Hai-Quan Mao; Claude Batchelor
  • Comment:
    A) Kindly don't add other links to the hook. We're here to promote newly created/improved articles and people curious about other topics can click through to find them and maybe learn something about what we've been working on.
    B) I've included a link to the S. Suli Lake since it is a new article to get some eyeballs & improvement for but it is not formally part of this DYK review and wouldn't pass. It's still too short with some details drawn from the non-RS Baidu Baike (China's knockoff of Wikipedia) because—as far as Google knows—this lake has literally not been separately discussed in the English language before this Wikipedia article at all. The lake, its affluent river, and its position in the DBT subbasin, however, are (inter alia) visible in the US Army map here; in the satellite images in Yu & al.; and in the Qarhan Playa map on p. 2 of this pdf. We could remove it from the hook, but I don't think that's called for by the rules and it'd be less complete and get fewer potential editors over to see it and help improve it from other Chinese sources.
    C) Yu & al. don't explicitly call out the BLT using this hook's exact phrasing, but this is a hookier version of what they're saying. To show the math: 6 areas have 15.2×10⁶ t of LiCl which are ≈80% of the reserves; BLT's reserve makes up ≈51% of that and is thus larger than any of the other 5; all the remaining reserves ≈3.8×10⁶ and thus even if they were a single deposit (implicitly but not explicitly denied) they'd still be smaller than the BLT deposit.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 07:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC).

All articles are long enough and new enough (created August 9).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Above you cite Zhang, pp. 171, 172 and 181, but each article has a Zheng source in foreign alphabet. What is what?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:49, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
LlywelynII-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 10[edit]

Joseph LaBarge

Captain J. LaBarge
Captain J. LaBarge

Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Hook is verified and cited inline; I flipped around some words. I'm a little surprised that you didn't speak about his steamboating career in the hook, which sounds pretty colorful. The image is also very good and freely licensed. Other images in the article are also freely licensed. The QPQ, however, has already been used for Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas M. Owen. Yoninah (talk) 00:06, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I had similar after thoughts about not referring to LaBarge's (more than) noted career as a steamboat captain in the hook. I suppose my fondness of Lafayette is responsible for that. It's getting a bit late here in California, so I'll look for another 'Alt' in the morning, after I've had my coffee, of course. Also, I'll get the QPQ squared away in the process. Thanks for reviewing this rather lengthy article. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 05:13, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: – Here's a new ALT. Also, I have the correct QPQ listed now. Text and source supporting the hook can be found in the Civil War era section, 3rd paragraph.
  • ALT1 : ... that in 1863 Joseph LaBarge (pictured), aboard his riverboat, the Emilie, set a speed and distance record on the Missouri River, covering 2,300 miles in 32 days, going upstream?  Source : State Historical Society of Missouri, Journal, p.460 -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:48, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. QPQ done. I recommend reducing the number of commas in the alt, as follows:
  • ALT1a: ... that in 1863, Captain Joseph LaBarge (pictured) set a speed and distance record aboard his steamboat on the Missouri River, covering 2,300 mi (3,700 km) in 32 days, going upstream?
  • I can verify from the source the distance and time, but I don't see anything about a "speed and distance record". The source just says it was a record feat for that era; the hook makes it sound like an official record. Yoninah (talk) 23:27, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • The speed and distance is defined with the statement, "The Emilie completed its trip upriver which totaled 2,300 miles in thirty-two days ... 71 miles per day... " The hook, nor the article, doesn't say anything about an "official record". The source, however, does say,"In fact, it (the trip up river) was so remarkable that Pierre Chouteau, Jr. sent his carriage to St. Louis to bring LaBarge to him to discuss the record trip." (emphasis added)  Records of this sort were kept in those days, in log books, shipping company's records, and elsewhere, and in that context, were official. There's nothing really wrong if something 'official' is implied here, but again, the hook nor the article stresses that idea. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:51, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, that's not going to fly with the people at WP:ERRORS. Yoninah (talk) 00:06, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Records were kept. LaBarge set a record. Where is the error? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:12, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Will referring to records as "exceeded existing records" help?
  • ALT2 : ... that in 1863, Captain Joseph LaBarge (pictured) exceeded existing records for speed and distance aboard his steamboat on the Missouri River, covering 2,300 mi (3,700 km) in 32 days, going upstream?

@Yoninah: — Below are more sources covering other record setting events involving LaBarge. This should establish the idea that speed and distance records were closely observed and recorded, and that LaBarge is widely noted for establishing several of them.


I'm hoping this will satisfy any reservations you have about mentioning speed/distance records in the hook. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Below are two sources we can use in the hook (i.e.original source used in ALT1, and Chittenden, 1903):

Vespro della Beata Vergine

Title page of the collection holding the 1610 Vespers
Title page of the collection holding the 1610 Vespers
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: This is a unique piece of music, and it's hard to say so little about it ;) - The next Marian feast is 15 August, Assumption of Mary, but prep is full, and I believe that it deserves a pic (yes, you don't see details, but you see how elaborate it is). Next best date: 1 September, day of the dedication.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Thoughtfortheday (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC).

Gerda, I understand that you really want to show these hook facts and show how unique this piece of music is, but the hook as it stands sounds a bit too complicated and hard to read. People who read the hook but don't know little or even anything about the topic will find the hook hard to understand. The hook fact definitely has interest potential, it's just that it can probably be worded in a better way. @Yoninah: Maybe you can give some suggestions on how to reword the hook? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Which part do you have difficulties with? It has an Italian title which needs explanation, causing the Marian feast days (we can't also explain what vespers is, not in 200 chars). It's greatest feature is a great variety of contrasting styles, which could perhaps be summarized in 1000 chars, so only the two most different are mentioned, the old Gregorian chant which is a cantus firmus throughout (but I tied to avoid another technical term) and the latest operatic virtousity and dramatic expression. I'd like to mention the 1 September dedication to the Pope for two reasons, to justify the date request (now that the feast day is already today, so too late) and to hint in a short way at the enormous prominence of the work. It's in a line with Bach's Christmas Oratorio and Verdi's Requiem, in scope and importance, - so can we please say a bit about why? Wording help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
To the uninitiated it sounds like word salad: it just feels a bit too overwhelming and hard to comprehend. I'm sure there's probably an alternative wording that could flow better and explain the intended meaning in simpler terms. I also have to note that the hook (when including the pictured) is over 220 characters long, and is more than 200 characters long when excluding it, so the current hook wouldn't be allowed anyway. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, it appears that the main hook fact here is that the composition was made for the Pope. If that's the point you want to explain, then how about:
It's a lot more concise and it explains the main idea in an easier to understand manner. If you still really wish to emphasize the September 1 part, then you can add "on this day in 1610" at the end of ALT1, though that would depend on whether or not the special occasion request would be granted.
On the other hand, if you instead want to focus on the Gregorian chants, there's:
ALT2 admittedly has a more limited audience than ALT1, but I'll leave it to you on what direction to go to. Combining both (as seen in ALT0) just makes the hook seem to lack focus and makes it difficult to understand. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:14, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
I feel misunderstood ;) - focus on Gregorian chant??? What was wrong in my wording that you'd think that? This is a serious question. ALT1: "Italian" is not needed, and "composer" redundant. It says nothing about the music, - others have called that kind of hook name-dropping. Please no. ALT2: same for the beginning, "the latest operatic style of his time" makes no sense without the year 1610, when opera was just invented, and he the composer of the first opera which is still played regularly today. His music in the vespers was almost revolutionary, in length, complexity, multitude of styles, and that's what I'd like to focus on. Wording help still wanted. Trying, but missing the Chant:
ALT3: ... that in September 1610, Claudio Monteverdi dedicated his Vespro della Beata Vergine (title page pictured) to Pope Paul V, a complex vespers composition for up to ten voices in which he expressed religious texts in the virtuoso style of the beginning opera?
Perhaps listen to this introduction a bit? A review is titled "stairway to heaven" (otherwise German). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately Gerda, ALT3 is far beyond the character limit of 200 characters, and in any case has the same problem: trying to cram too much information into a single hook. Perhaps BlueMoonset could be of some help here with regards to hook wording? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT3 was meant to be a box of elements to build from.
ALT4: ... that on 1 September 1610, Monteverdi dedicated his Vespro della Beata Vergine (title page pictured) to Pope Paul V, a complex vespers composition which includes expressive operatic style?
ALT5: ... that in September 1610, Monteverdi dedicated his Vespro della Beata Vergine (title page pictured) to Pope Paul V, demonstrating a multitude of styles in extended music for vespers for up to ten voices?
I still hope others can do better. You did not answer how you arrived at "Gregorian chant" focus. I'm asking because a local newspaper did the same, and I blame myself, only don't know for what. Did you listen to music and introduction for a minute? Our local festival developed the habit of playing a Vespers to Mary each year, beginning in 2000, - Monteverdi's was played in 2000 and 2019, and four times in between, - it's just the Greatest. I plan to go for FA, but not until the date this year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
ps: for entertainment: just the title is almost too long for DYK, "Mass for the Most Holy Virgin for six voices for church choirs, and vespers for several voices with some sacred songs, suitable for chapels and ducal chambers". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
ALT4 and ALT5 sound fine, though I might need a second opinion on their suitability. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Gerda Arendt and Narutolovehinata5, just a couple of suggestions on hooks, the first a slight re-ordering of ALT4, and the second a more major restructure:
ALT4a: ... that in September 1610, Monteverdi dedicated to Pope Paul V his Vespro della Beata Vergine (title page pictured), a complex vespers composition which included the newest operatic style?
ALT6: ... that Claudio Monteverdi’s Vespro della Beata Vergine (Vespers for the Blessed Virgin; title page pictured), dedicated to Pope Paul V on 1 September 1610, was in the latest operatic style?
In the original ALT4, I find it a bit disconcerting to have "a complex vespers composition which includes expressive operatic style?" coming after Pope Paul V - it sounds like it should be the pope who was a complex vespers composition - hence my suggested ALT4a. I think I prefer ALT4a to ALT6 if it will be featured on that date. Both have 187 characters. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:31, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the offer, Rebecca, striking ALT4 because your i better, but also ALT6, because to mention any one tyle i wrong, - every movement almot ha its own style, and ome have combined styles, and that enormous diversity is the essence of the piece, like showing off: I can do this, and that, ... - A musicologist and conductor said he performed it perhaps 200 times, and finds something new in every performance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
No worries, Gerda Arendt. Just wondering though - you said "striking ALT4 because yours is better, but also ALT6", but it's ALT4a that you have struck? Is that what you intended? RebeccaGreen (talk) 23:32, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
no, thank you, corrected --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Rebecca, oh dear, missed a deadline:

ALT7: ... that in September 1610, Monteverdi dedicated to Pope Paul V his Vespro della Beata Vergine (title page pictured), a complex vespers composition which included the style of the emerging opera? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, what a pity! It looks like this actually needs a full review, and a QPQ, as all the discussion has been about hooks, so far. It will presumably be on the next list of oldest nominations needing reviews! RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Tachibana Shrine. The article review should be fairly easy, after The Rambling Man did the GA review ;) - "Don't believe in miracles, rely on them". (Mascha Kaléko) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
No miracle today. I dropped the "1" from the hooks not yet struck, and hope for a pictured slot in September with 24 hours, not 12 hours in a first set of which Europeans will sleep for 8 hours ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hooks are set. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:26, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 12[edit]

New Polish School of Holocaust Scholarship (conference)

  • ... that French higher education minister Frédérique Vidal criticized the role of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance in the antisemitic disruption of an academic conference in Paris? ...source: Le Figaro. Quote: "Le gouvernement français a demandé aujourd'hui aux autorités polonaises de se distancer publiquement des perturbations "hautement regrettables" et "aux relents antisémites", qui ont eu lieu lors d'un colloque à Paris consacré à l'histoire de la Shoah en Pologne. Dans un courrier adressé à Jaroslaw Gowin, ministre des Sciences et de l'Enseignement supérieur, la ministre de l'Enseignement supérieur Frédérique Vidal indique qu'un colloque .... "Cette série de graves perturbations a pu apparaître comme étant appuyés par des représentants de l'Etat polonais", regrette la ministre. Un représentant de l'Institut pour la mémoire nationale (IPN) était en effet "présent et s'y est exprimé sans condamner les agissements en cours". L'IPN a en revanche "critiqué la conférence sur les réseaux sociaux" et l'Ambassade de Pologne à Paris "a relayé les messages de l'IPN sur son compte Twitter, ce qui ne peut apparaître que (...) comme une immixtion inacceptable dans un débat scientifique", ajoute Mme Vidal dans sa lettre. "Compte tenu de ces incidents inacceptables et du grand émoi qu'ils suscitent dans la communauté universitaire française, une expression claire de votre part visant à distancier le gouvernement polonais de ces perturbations hautement regrettables me semblerait de nature à faire revenir l'apaisement", indique-t-elle encore.

Created by Icewhiz (talk) and François Robere (talk). Nominated by Icewhiz (talk) at 08:40, 18 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Date, size, copyvio, all good. Neutrality, however, sigh. Article is not stable (tags, some edit warring, ongoing talk discussions). Hook is not neutral, either. There is some discussion of the notability of the subject, through I don't think this has been to AfD (yet). And the parties are subject to ongoing ArbCom. At the very least I'd freeze this until after the ArbCom is resolved and dust settles. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:28, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Piotrus: - please let someone else, who is neutral in this topic area and hasn't been involved with the article, review. There is a tag on the article - yes - that should be resolved (at the present there is a tag, but no clear objection to what is non-neutral). The hook is perfectly neutral - this is a mainstream source (Le Figaro - and the same is all of the mainstream French Press) reporting directly on the statement of Vidal. the statement is clearly attributed in the hook. Icewhiz (talk) 11:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • You are welcome to ask for another reviewer, but I see nor reason to withdrew mine. Unless you can tell me which policies it may violate? It is quite normal for people interested in a topic area to review topics in it. I have never suggested that you should not comment on my DYKs, through you commented on a number in the past. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:38, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • You are involved (Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide, Wikipedia:Closing discussions) in the article, and have been prior to the review - and as such you clearly shouldn't be reviewing. Your comment on ARBCOM is irrelevant (and mixes conduct with content discussions - see Wikipedia:Casting aspersions) to the topic on hand (content of this article and this hook), your comment on the hook is not policy based nor does it have a rationale (An attributed statement is by definition neutral, and Le Figaro is a reputable sources for such a statement (+around 5 other mainstream sources reporting the same)). Your comment on tags presently in the article is factual, and yes this is a dispute that should be resolved. Icewhiz (talk) 11:47, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I have never edited that article (prior to doing this review, and I only did some minor c/e edits few minutes ago), so do tell me how am I involved? I'd suggest that attacking a reviewer who gives you something besides a positive endorsement is not the best strategy to get your DYKs accepted. How about you try to fix the issues I noted, starting with the hook neutrality? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Beyond your involvement in the topic area (see - " the closing editor may have become inextricably involved through previous experience in the conflict area" in Wikipedia:Closing discussions), you've made this edit - 14:53, 13 August 2019 which clearly makes you invovled on the article level (I'll note - the article moved to a new title following your comment). You should strike your tick above. As for the hook - you didn't actually point out anything wrong with it beyond voicing your personal dislike. If you have a specific issue with the hook - please raise it ("Hook is not neutral" is close to useless without properly identifying what is non-neutral, based on Wikipedia policy, in the hook) - and I'll be happy to address it. Icewhiz (talk) 12:02, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I fail to see how a single comment on a talk page disqualifies someone from the review. But I agree, let's focus on the article. And you are right, it may not be obviously apparent to a neutral editor what the problem is here, outside, of course, the issues of notability and lack of stability. So: criticism of IPN is controversial, and possibly undue. It is neither the main issue in the article, nor is it neutral. Please propose a hook that isn't an attempt to discredit IPN smuggled onto the Wikipedia's Main Page in the form of a DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:08, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • You are deeply involved - strike your tick please. The disruption of the conference caused an international incident. Vidal's comments, which are inline with academic WP:RS coverage of the IPN (e.g. in this recent academic book chapter), are a major component of this international incident - and is definitely DUE. I will also note that Vidal's comments are backed up by coverage of this event by NEWSORGs in multiple countries (the sole possible exception being far-right and right-wing press in Poland- sources of little weight). And all this being said - this is an attributed statement, by a major government figure (of the country hosting the conference). That some editors may WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT criticism of the IPN does note make such criticism, when properly sourced, "controversial". It actually probably would've been possible to have an unattributed critical hook of the IPN (as basically all RSes are covering this in the same manner) - an attributed hook shouldn't be a problem at all. Are you contesting Vidal's statement? Is the hook misrepresenting Vidal is some manner? Icewhiz (talk) 13:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
  • The French minister has been answered by the Polish one - solve French antisemitism - and lost her colonial zeal.Xx236 (talk) 08:52, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  • This nomination and the nominated page are parts of revisionistic project by Icewhiz and FR. They transfer responsibility for the Holocaust from Nazi Germany to Polish people. They use also subjects not related to the Holocaust like Islam. Any subject is good to dehumnaize Polish people. This Wikipedia is misused. It's your problem. Xx236 (talk) 09:08, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
    I suggest you strike that comment per WP:NPA, WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:LIBEL. François Robere (talk) 13:12, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination is on hold until the merger discussion is closed by an independent editor, preferably an admin, and until the neutrality template on the article is no longer an issue. It might also be wise, given the notability comments, to get a determination at AfD to settle whether the subject is indeed notable while this waits for the other issues. Presumably, by the time the merger discussion has concluded, the article's lack of stability will also have been addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:35, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Minor disambiguation point: Vidal is the Minister of Higher Education (l'enseignement supérieur). She reports to Jean-Michel Blanquier, who is the Education Minister. 🌿 SashiRolls t · c 20:31, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @SashiRolls: Thansk! Added higher to hook. I'll note that I've frequently commented at various fora that the length one's job title (particularly in a political context) is inversely related to the relative importance of the position at that level (the shorter a minister/secretary's job-title post is - he's likely to be more senior). Refrained from adding "Higher Education, Research and Innovation" as that is way too many chars and it seems this gets shortened to "higher education". Icewhiz (talk) 11:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Church of St. Nicholas in Tolmachi, House church (Russia)

Church of St. Nicholas in Tolmachi
Church of St. Nicholas in Tolmachi
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nanhaipotamon
  • Comment: Because this church has made me temporarily insane, I am going to attempt to get Our Lady of Vladimir up to GA standards to make this a triple nomination (hence the qpq for my last two exempt nominations). I ask for patience in this task for the mere fact it is my birthday today,(in two hours my time) and this will be my first GAN as well.

Moved to mainspace by MJL (talk). Self-nominated at 02:02, 13 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the hook facts are mostly cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. Could you add and cite a sentence more explicitly stating that the church is being used as a museum, perhaps in the "Recent usage" section. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:29, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
    @Cwmhiraeth: I'm still waiting on Johnbod to finish the GAN for Our Lady of Vladimir. He has been made aware of this Did You Know nomination but has yet to give it a pass/fail as it has not been fully reviewed. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 13:32, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
I suggest you just get on with dealing with the points raised. As usual you seem to prefer raising meta-worries to actually dealing with review points. Johnbod (talk) 17:32, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Judging by my comments above, I think I was not aware that this was a 2 article hook. You will need to do a second QPQ, and a third one as well if/when you add Our Lady of Vladimir to the nomination. Give me a ping when you are ready and I will review all two/three articles. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset and Cwmhiraeth: Hey, sorry if it looked like I was ignoring this (John seemed to not appreciate my last comment). This is actually only my fourth DYK nom. One, two, and three. For some reason I burned two DYK credits when I didn't have to, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I like reviewing things. The QPQ provided is for the third article. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 03:03, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 14[edit]

Coat of arms of Sevastopol

Created by Toreightyone (talk). Self-nominated at 02:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC).

  • This is only a drive-by comment for now as I'm not currently comfortable reviewing this nomination due to its political subject, but I would have to note that the second paragraph of the "Design" section lacks a reference. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
plus Added, Thanks, Toreightyone (talk) 15:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that reference has been added. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Drive-by suggestion to combine the hooks, something like: ALT2: ... that Sevastopol had no official coat of arms from 1917 until 1969, but two official coats of arms from 1993 until 2000? – Levivich 01:18, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
That works for me! Thanks, Toreightyone (talk) 19:09, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg @Toreightyone: I have been reading this article, thinking about reviewing the nomination. One thing strikes me as a potential issue with NPOV. The article is titled "Coat of arms of Sevastopol", and the info box is headed "Coat of arms of Sevastopol". It shows the Soviet era design, with two versions of it. The royal coat of arms is shown below in the History section. I think it would be more neutral to have the article title and, especially, the info box header as "Coats of arms of Sevastopol", showing both the Soviet era design and the royal coat of arms (if that's possible for a coat of arms info box - otherwise, two info boxes). The versions could be placed below in suitable sections. Also, the info box should show the date that the Soviet era design was disallowed, as well as the date it was approved. And in the article, I think "current design" should be avoided, and "Soviet era design" and "royal coat of arms" or "royal design" used instead. I'd also suggest not starting with Design and Usage sections, but rather with History, describing within that the design and usages of the royal coat of arms, then the Soviet era coat of arms, then the post-annexation controversy. This is not something I know anything about (coats of arms, or Crimean history), but I offer these suggestions that I think would make the article more neutral. RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Babak (Sasanian officer)

  • ... that after establishing the reformed army of the empire, the Persian officer Babak asked King Khosrow I to wear his armor and participate in the military parade like all the other warriors? Source: "but he would send them back and have them come the next day until “everyone,” meaning King Ḵosrow, would also present himself, properly dressed and fully armed; otherwise he would not be given his annual sum." [13]

5x expanded by ZxxZxxZ (talk). Self-nominated at 19:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ needs to be done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 15[edit]

Eagle Woman

  • ... that the Sioux's first and only female chief, Eagle Woman, was called "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations", aside from Sacagawea? Source: 1
    • ALT1:... that the Sioux's first and only female chief, Eagle Woman, helped her people adapt after they were forced onto reservations? Source: "When the Sioux War ended in the early 1880s, Eagle Woman again played an instrumental role in easing the transition to reservation living for her people." 1
    • ALT2:... that Eagle Woman, the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux, helped her people adapt after they were forced onto reservations? Source: "When the Sioux War ended in the early 1880s, Eagle Woman again played an instrumental role in easing the transition to reservation living for her people." 1 "Because these tribes were giving up their way of life, Mrs. Galpin adopted a new mission: “to help the Sioux to learn and to adapt.”" 2
    • ALT3:... that Eagle Woman, the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux, was called "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations", aside from Sacagawea? Source: 1
  • Reviewed: (in progress)
  • Comment: I think this article should be reviewed by someone who knows the right words for native/indigenous issues before DYK goes through. Also not sure about the hooks.

Created by Originalmess (talk). Self-nominated at 18:42, 21 August 2019 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - Issues for ALT and ALT1: "first and only female chief" - the source states "the only woman to become a chief of the Sioux" but dates to 1986, so it is possible someone else has become a female chief since then. "first" would be acceptable based on the source cited. Issues for ALT: "the most noted Indian woman of all the western Indian nations" - the source refers to her as "Matilda Parkin", which appears to be the same person as "Matilda Galpin" and "Eagle Woman", but this "Matilda Parkin" naming of her is not mentioned in the Wikipedia article. 3) inconsistent spellings of "Sacagawea" (Wiki link name), "Sacajawea" (DYK nom) and "Sakakawea" (Eagle Woman article, source cited): use Sakakawea in article & DYK to resolve. Further review of ALT1: "adapt" is supported by the cited source.
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: Red XN - ?
Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Created on August 15, nominated August 21, 2019; Earwig does not report significant copyvios. QPQ pending. I agree that a culturally-sensitive review is desirable before release. Hooks need work. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the phrase "chief of the Sioux" might be misunderstood to mean leadership over all the Sioux, but I'm not sure what a good alternative phrasing would be. Kim Post (talk) 14:00, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I've rephrased the sentence to read "the first woman to become a chief among the Sioux" to address this. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:22, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Sorry about the late response, I should be free enough to do more editing/look for someone to do a culturally sensitive review a bit later tonight. Thanks for the rephrasing, that's definitely clearer for readers who don't know the Sioux had/have multiple chiefs at once. originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 18:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Added new hooks using Mary Mark Ockerbloom's phrasing. Does it sound hookier starting with "first woman" or with "Eagle Woman"? originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 19:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Vsevolod Kukushkin

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 20:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. I prefer the ALT1 hook fact for color, but the source seems to say that the nickname is "The Big Red Machine". I suggest beginning the hook: "... that according to Russian journalist Vsevolod Kukushkin..." Yoninah (talk) 00:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • The cited source says The exhibition “The Red Machine. Race for gold” has been opened on the second floor. The press was led by Vsevolod Kukushkin, a famous journalist who presented his book with the same name – “The Red Machine”. “Do you know how this nickname, which got tied to our hockey, got to be?” asked Kukushkin. “It happened in January 1983. Our players were finishing their tour in North America. They arrived in Minneapolis. We open the papers and see the headline: ‘The Red Machine rolled down on us.’ I believe the hook is properly cited. Flibirigit (talk) 23:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • But that same source continues: "Only then, in his next article, the journalist called us 'The Big Red Machine', so as not to mistake us with the baseball team of Detroit." Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • The source states the nickname came from the newspaper headline in Minneapolis, and not from a subsequent article. Flibirigit (talk) 21:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 16[edit]

Scyller Borglum

  • ... that Scyller Borglum has five college degrees? "Borglum courts 'exhausted middle' of GOP | Local". rapidcityjournal.com. 2019-07-28. Retrieved 2019-08-16.
  • Reviewed: IOU

5x expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 16:30, 17 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: I love ALT 1; I appreciate the work; but do you really think it should count as 5× expansion if you delete 11k characters of content and then bounce it back up to not even 2k? — LlywelynII 19:51, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • LlywelynII, oh poop, I forgot that the supplemental rules might invalidate this nomination because that COI version counts, even though it so badly doesn't conform to policies. Someone expanded it badly, so I expanded it in line with policy. To answer your question, I can see it both ways. It's less than it was after the bad editing, but it is 5x more than the previous version, when I created it as a microstub. WP:IAR can apply, but it's up to you. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:52, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Dunno. It was just something I noticed. I'd say it's worthwhile explaining on the talk page why that other version was so awful, but since it was just a comment it's really up to your formal reviewer whether to ignore that or not. — LlywelynII 20:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Muboshgu, what a pity! And what a pity that the supplementary rule doesn't exclude COI, unsourced, non-encylopaedic content! Or, that someone other than you reverted that edit :-( I am new to DYK, so I don't want to make a call on this. I would be inclined to ignore the bad edit, as if it hadn't been made, and quickly reverted, this would be a 5x expansion.RebeccaGreen (talk) 21:00, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Again, though, there's been no explanation here or on the article's talk page about what was "bad" to begin with. Since tons of material has obviously been removed, I've of a mind to simply revert all of these changes to begin with, pending some clarity about what was "bad" in the previous article. — LlywelynII 21:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • LlywelynII, as Rebecca said, COI, unsourced content, and non-encyclopedic content. The "bad version" is a contains POV language like "Borglum was an achievement-oriented child" and "Her Senate campaign and the policies that underlie it are based on achievement. Borglum is an engineer and she approaches government as an engineering problem with specific issues that can be resolved.". – Muboshgu (talk) 22:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  • LlywelynII, I am not sure which changes you're referring to when you talk about reverting them? The edit history of Scyller Borglum shows that a large amount of text was added by an editor who has made no other edits at all, and who left an edit summary saying "Details added to stub at request of Scyller Borglum using media interviews, biographical data, her resume and personal discussions" - clearly COI. Much of it is unsourced, and includes statements like "After high school, Borglum spent two decades compiling a diverse array of college degrees and professional experience"; "Borglum announced at the wedding reception, “My mother told me to finish college before getting married.” " Any other editor who noticed those additions would have reverted them, as Muboshgu did, to the previous version. I have placed a COI tag on the article Talk page. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • My feeling is that the COI material that was in the article for under 48 hours shouldn't be counted in this situation, making this a valid expansion. As I'm just one person, my suggestion would be that you post about this at WT:DYK, to get consensus about whether this should be counted as valid; it's best to have consensus so that if it says the nomination is okay to continue, there won't be a later challenge (or if there is, the consensus will prevail). BlueMoonset (talk) 03:43, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Pinging Muboshgu: as this is your nomination, it's up to you to pursue this at WT:DYK. Best of luck. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
┌─────────────────────────┘BlueMoonset, thanks for the ping. I hadn't seen the previous messages. I will pursue. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 17[edit]

Cebu City Council

Created by Emperork (talk). Self-nominated at 13:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Emperork, welcome back to DYK! As best I can tell, this is your third submission, the last two having been in late 2006, nearly thirteen years ago. Things have changed a bit since you were last here.
Nominations need to be made within seven days of an article's creation or fivefold expansion. You created the article back on July 3, over seven weeks ago, so it can't count as a new creation. Seven days takes us back to August 17; it was 1793 prose characters immediately prior to the expansion that started that day, so a 5x expansion would require 8965 prose characters; the article is currently 5966 prose characters, or 2999 short of a 5x expansion.
In addition, neither of the hooks you have proposed are sufficiently interesting per the DYK rules, which require a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience.
Since it has been so long since you participated here at DYK, I think we can allow some leniency: prior to some additions on August 14, ten days before the nomination, the article was 1614 prose characters, which would require an expansion to 8070 prose characters only, or an additional 2104 (rather than 2999). I don't know whether that would be feasible, however.
Another change since your last DYK submission is that we now accept newly approved Good Articles, and I see that you've just nominated the article to be one. Should this nomination not succeed, but your GA nomination ultimately does, just nominate the new GA here within seven days; there are no expansion requirements for GAs.
Please let me know if you have any questions, and how you would like to proceed. Thanks again for submitting to DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the insight. I am currently expanding the article. Can I also change the hooks or maybe add in this nomination? Emperork (talk) 22:25, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
The article has now 9,672 characters. Hope you can recheck. Thanks! Emperork (talk) 01:15, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I would also have to note that some paragraphs don't have a reference, such as in the membership section. As a Filipino myself, I don't think any of the hooks would appeal to those unfamiliar with Philippine politics, so a new hook is likely needed. I tried thinking of some but none come to mind right now; I'll comment back if I think of anything. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2, with some tweaking, might be interesting, as cock fighting is illegal in many parts of the world, so it's not something that councils in the UK, US or Australia, for example, would pass ordinances about. RebeccaGreen (talk)
There's probably a better wording to use than "cockfighting venues" (I'd use cockpits, but that language might not be clear to those unfamiliar with cockfighting). I'd also strongly recommend that this go through WP:GOCE/R too as I think the article's wording still needs a lot of work. Any thoughts on these @RebeccaGreen:? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:53, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
@Emperork: Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:54, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
The alternative ALT2 wording seems fine with me. - Emperork (talk) 14:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Pinging RebeccaGreen to give this another look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, Emperork: ALT2a wording seems fine to me. I agree that the meaning of "cockpits" in this context would not be clear to many readers. As this article hasn't been reviewed apart from consideration of its newness and length, it needs a full review, but if a WP:GOCE/R hasn't been requested yet, I guess that should happen first. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Already submitted this to WP:GOCE/R for review. - Emperork (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Ulrike Sonntag

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Just here to comment, hi Gerda, is there nothing more interesting to have as a hook? Or anything that is expandable on in the article/not just repeated verbatim in the lead? Kingsif (talk) 21:57, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I didn't know that Felix Mendelsohn's sister wrote an oratorio, - did you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
The hook is about Sonntag though and not Hensel, so I'm not sure if using that as a hook fact would be suitable. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:49, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I only explain the existing hook: she is singing in little known oratorios, which some singers would not do, so it says a lot about her. Also, these are only an addition to the key fact that she was a longterm member of the Staatsoper Stuttgart and academic there, - which of course she has in common with many others, so I'd like to add something unique to her. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Also, it appears that several statements in the article don't have a reference. Could references be supplied for these statements, such as the awards and other biographical information? Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:04, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Will look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I referenced one prize, will look at the other later (commented out so far.) I don't have a source for the school (translated from the German WP), but am ready to believe AGF that she went to that school. Anything else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
The other prize is de:Mozartfest-Wettbewerb für Gesang. The link to the recipients is broken. The prize seems to have discontinued in 2006, - no trace of it on the current website of the university. I have no time to dig deeper. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
@Kingsif: Would a different direction work here? Perhaps something like:
ALT1... that operatic soprano Ulrike Sonntag won first prize at the Deutscher Musikwettbewerb, which is considered the most important competition for young musicians in Germany?
The part about it being "most important" would need to be added to the article and referenced if this hook is to be used, but it's just a suggestion. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:44, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
That is quite a nice hook, yes. (And for Gerda, I did know Mendelssohn's sister composed, it was a question on a popular UK quiz show last week!) Kingsif (talk) 00:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Please no, many many others did the same (+ it was early and only 2nd prize), - please say something only SHE did. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
ps: I also knew that she compoed, yes, but a large-cale oratorio? No. That's a bit we can tell our readers, not that Sonntag was one of hundreds to win a prize for young singers? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
But that wouldn't make sense, because if we write a hook about Mendelsohn's sister composing, that would take attention away from Sonntag, who is supposed to be the subject of the hook. We're writing about Sonntag and not Hensel, so the hook would need to be about Sonntag in particular. @Kingsif: Do you have any other ideas? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
We are going in circles, again. Please read above: the hook is about a singer and academic teacher in Stuttgart. Period. The rest is extra, and better to hint at Hensel writing an oratorio - implying that Sonntag dares to do unusual things - than another mentioning of the roles and parts everybody knows already, and many others also perform, such as Susanna. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Reading over the Life section, do we know where Sonntag was a student in Stuttgart in the 80s? If it's the same place that she taught from 2005, that could be quite an interesting hook to write up. The problem with Hensel's oratio is that barely anyone will know who she is (Fanny Mendelssohn would be clearer) and they won't know of the significance of her writing an oratio or of Sonntag performing it, for most readers it will be meaningless jargon of a subject they know little about, so they'll skip it. But most folk know about teaching and stuff. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
For disclosure, @Narutolovehinata5: has asked me for some help on Discord in regards to this hook. Reading through these comments, I have a few comments myself. I agree with @Kingsif: that it would be interesting if the university where she studied was the place that she is now a professor. However, I'm not sure if this is 100% true. If you're looking for something unique @Gerda Arendt: , I would suggest her professorship at the Staatliche Hochschule für Musik und Darstellende Kunst Stuttgart, as the wikipedia article states that " it is one of the oldest schools of its kind in Germany" in terms of schools for professional musicians. Or, the globality of the cities she has been a guest singer / masterclass teacher seems unique as Sonntag has made a career outside of Germany. My final suggestion would be something to do with her roles at the Vienna State Opera. Appearing in at least eight operas by well known composers in just three years? Seems important! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk)
I feel so sorry for the time you put into this, because I was possibly not precise. What I want in a hook is to answer as many of the jornalist's questions who when where what why, about the subject. Not about her university. It's rather frequent that someone teaches where she studied, because of the location. This hook says who where what, and I like it. A similar one (Ursula Boese) just made the stats. Why all this argument? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:28, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
If you would not prefer the university one, how about my other suggestions with where she made her career in the world, or the eight operas she was in while at Vienna? The Vienna one would possibly fill in who, what, where, and when, while the world one would fill who what and where. If you don't like either of these suggestions, no worries from me. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:39, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, MrLinkinPark333, Kingsif, Narutolovehinata5: How about a tweak on ALT0,
ALT2: ... that Stuttgart operatic soprano and voice teacher Ulrike Sonntag has recorded little-known oratorios by Fanny Mendelssohn and Paul Hindemith?
I am picking up on your comments about Felix Mendelsohn's sister writing an oratorio - using the name Fanny Mendelssohn will lead readers to think there is a possible connection, while the name Fanny Hensel suggests nothing to me. Also, that they are little-known oratorios - so let's say so. I don't really know what has been preferred and not preferred, but reading Gerda's comments made me think the first hook could be made clearer, and so more interesting. RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────┘ I think Alt2 is a better version of the hook, and I would support it. But, Gerda, again remember that the purpose of DYK is not to explain who, what, etc - it's to avoid those and make the target article interesting enough for readers to want to click so they can find out who and what. It is a form of article promotion, not a summary (there can be significant crossover depending on topic, but good hooks are more 'fun fact' than 'main facts' - e.g. here, adding "little-known" takes this more into 'fun fact' territory) Kingsif (talk) 20:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Rebecca. I am not convinced that "little-known" will raise curiosity, but may be wrong. I believe that the rather pompous "Staatsoper" would add interest (and know that ERRORS is against easter egg links). - Kingsif, sorry, I feel that when looking at a life"s achievements, just one fun fact is poor. - How is this?
ALT3: ... that Ulrike Sonntag, an operatic soprano at the Staatsoper Stuttgart and an academic voice teacher in Stuttgart, recorded oratorios by Mendelssohn's sister Fanny and Paul Hindemith?
... although hate it when a woman is reduced to being someone prominent's sister, - trying to please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
While ALT2 and ALT3 have potential, they seem to take attention away from Sonntag and instead put focus on Fanny, plus they don't seem to solve Gerda's comment before about uniqueness. Like, is Sonntag the only modern person to have recorded Fanny's oratorios? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, I am not sure that using "Staatsoper" would add interest, as most readers of English WP would not know what it meant. I'm not sure what an "easter egg link" is - is that to do with Stuttgart? I hope other editors will comment! RebeccaGreen (talk) 23:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't know why it's called "easter egg", but it's the name of when you expect something (the city of Stuttgart) and find something different (Staatsoper Stuttgart). When you don't know something on Wikipedia, try to use preface WP:, WP:EASTEREGG. You could use State Opera instead, but I fear it looses in translation, + readers might confuse it with National Opera. In Germany, state opera is an opera house run by a federal state, and most states have several. Opera DYK has the term Staatsoper eleven times, State Opera 14 times.
Narutolovehinata5, perhaps "unusual" is a better word than "unique". I want to find something in her bio that is not so usual, so more interesting (or should we say: making curious) for a reader. I created the article because she was a red link for a recording of the Mass in B minor, and while I believe that it's one of the greatest music on Earth, I don't want to mention it again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I am not sure that my suggestions are helping much, but I thought I would mention that I personally think that it's interesting that this singer has "recorded works by women composers", as the article says - by Lili Boulanger as well as by Fanny Mendelssohn. Not all singers like to record works by lesser known composers, or women composers, so that does say something about this person, to my way of thinking. I don't see it as moving the emphasis away from the subject onto the composers whose works she has performed. Singers perform works, make recordings, appear at certain places, teach at certain places, have teachers - we have to mention some of them in a hook about a singer, and the choice of works or choice/chance of places, teachers, etc, is one of the things that distinguishes singers from each other. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, why not?
ALT4: ... that Ulrike Sonntag, a soprano at the Staatsoper Stuttgart and an academic voice teacher in Stuttgart, recorded an oratorio by Fanny Hensel and psalm settings by Lili Boulanger?
Nice coinsidence that both are less known than their siblings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Approving ALT4. As I said above, I think it's interesting that this soprano has recorded works by two women composers. I would personally prefer a shorter version of the hook, possibly leaving out the words "operatic" and "academic", but the hook as it stands is 187 characters, within the length required, and I will leave any editing to the promoter/approving admin. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:35, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I dropped "operatic" - meant to accent vs. the oratorio and psalms, but see that it is duplicate to the opera house. I'd drop "academic" if we had room for the university, but with just "in Stuttgart", she could simply give a few private lessons. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

John McLean (explorer)

  • ... that, despite what the historical marker says, John McLean (pictured) was not the first white man to cross Labrador?
    • ALT1:... that Scoto-Canadian author John McLean (pictured) considered the War of 1812 an act of unprovoked American aggression but complimented American English as "elegance itself"?
    • ALT2:... that explorer and fur trader John McLean (pictured) was secretly Viator, the writer sometimes credited with saving the western half of Canada from American annexation?
    • ALT3:... that John McLean (pictured) was the first European to find Canada's Churchill Falls?
    • ALT4:... that John McLean (pictured) was the first European to find Canada's Churchill Falls, an accomplishment that posthumously became less impressive when a hydro project diverted almost all its water?
    • ALT5:... that, after his monopolist employer repeatedly passed him over for promotion, ruined his health, and refused him a pension, John McLean (pictured) spent his retirement starting a conservative newspaper?
    • ALT6:... that Scottish-Canadian grocer John McLean (pictured) was forced to admit that dog was "food for the gods"?
    • ALT7:... that Canadian trapper and author John McLean (pictured) felt that the Hudson's Bay Company owed its success to the Quebecker Northwesters?
    • ALT8:... that, expecting "to fare like a dog" in British Columbia, John McLean (pictured) found instead that it was the most beautiful place he'd seen in Canada?
    • ALT9:... that trapper, trader, and explorer John McLean (pictured) took his first vacation in 20 years to visit his mother in Scotland?
    • ALT10:... that John McLean (pictured) was "a person of intelligence and information beyond what one might expect from a man who has all his life been scraping beaver skins together"?
    • ALT11:... that John McLean (pictured) is sometimes credited with having saved western Canada from American annexation?
  • Reviewed: Will do. Zhai Xiangjun
  • Comment: Don't worry. You only need to review the hook most interesting to you. There's a lot to this guy/article, so if you prefer other hooks instead (his first wife the Métis or his second and the bank robber etc.), I can figure it out. Kindly don't add extraneous links to the hooks above. If people want to learn more, they can click through to the article I've worked on, learn some stuff, and move on from there.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 21:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This article is about a Scotsman and his work and travels in North America in the 19th century. It makes heavy use of the subject's memoirs, and some quotations and information from them are unnecessarily long or unnecessary altogether. The memoir and McLean's other book are listed in the article, but should also be included in the bibliography under References, since they are used as sources. Other 19th- and early 20th-century sources are only used for uncontroversial claims, and are complemented by a good selection of modern sources.
There is an issue with readability. Some sentences are full of details about travel stops, how long it took to cover a particular distance etc. This flows poorly, and while the info can be fun in a travelogue, it isn't relevant in an encyclopedia unless there is something remarkably about it (if there is, that's not clear in the article). I suggest that some quotations are removed or replaced with very brief summaries, and that less relevant details about specific journeys are removed.
There are many alternative hooks. ALT5 is just above the 200 character limit. The rest are short enough and interesting. I'll focus on the first one, assuming that's the one the nominator prefers. Bryant (1892), pp. 5–6 makes it clear that McLean was not the first to cross the Labrador Peninsula, although the text in the article comes dangerously close to WP:SYNTH. The text says that it is "sometimes" claimed that McLean was first, but it's sourced with one example in the form of a memory plaque. It would be more accurate to simply say that a plaque claims this, unless it can be replaced with a source that uses "sometimes" or has more examples. It is also slightly spurious to write that McLean "credited Erlandson's earlier trek", when the original claim was about being "the first European to have crossed the entire peninsula". The source neither mentions Erlandson by name nor anything about ethnicity. (The plaque does this, but it's still very close to synthesis). Maybe there is another source that can get around this, otherwise it's probably best to reword the note.
Other than that everything looks good. The article was nominated for DYK two days after its creation, the prose size is grand, there are no copyright violations, everything is sourced, QPQ is done. Ffranc (talk) 18:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Mike Wallace Is Here

Created/expanded by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 11:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The date and the length of the article are OK, and the article is well sourced. I have a bit of an issue with hookiness of the hook, as currently given. The hook misses the most interesting part, which is that Wallace was already dead when Belkin wanted to interview him. I suggest that you use an alt hook. Something along the lines of: "... that the film director Avi Belkin wanted to interview an American journalist, Mike Wallace, after Wallace's death, and that led to creation of an archival documentary Mike Wallace Is Here?". In that case the hooked sentence at the start of the Production section of the article would need to be adjusted as well. Nsk92 (talk) 10:12, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @CAPTAIN MEDUSA Ok, thanks, I see that you have added an ALT1 hook. The length of ALT1, at 188 characters, is OK. However, the first sentence of Mike Wallace Is Here#Production still needs to be tweaked, to more precisely correspond to ALT1 hook. Perhaps something like "Film director, Avi Belkin wanted to do a interview with American journalist, Mike Wallace, after Wallace's death." Nsk92 (talk) 10:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
@Nsk92: i have added to production section. also use {{re|addusernamehere}} to notify other users. Thanks.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Ok, very good, thanks. Everything looks pretty good in the article right now. I'll take another look later today to double-check everything, and if nothing else comes up, I'll approve the nomination.Nsk92 (talk) 12:19, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Nsk92, Thanks.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:21, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Oops, I just noticed that your QPQ is still listed as 'soon'. That will need to be taken care off before the final approval. Nsk92 (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: OK, I double-checked the article and the hook, and everything looks good. The only thing missing is the QPQ. Once you have taken care of QPQ, please ping me and I'll formally approve this nomination. Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 15:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Nsk92, QPQ has been completed.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Hmm, I see that Template:Did you know nominations/Josh Yorwerth is still not quite completed since the nominator there has not yet provided their QPQ. My understanding of the DYK rules is that for QPQ purposes the nomination you have reviewed must be either marked with File:Symbol confirmed.svg (or marked as declined if the nomination was declined). Nsk92 (talk) 11:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Nsk92, I have reviewed the nom. However, when the user will add QPQ I will approve the nom. Hmmmmm QPQ rules doesn't state that It needs to be approved or else. Is there something.......___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: I find the DYK rules on this issue to be confusing and insufficiently detailed. I have just asked for clarification at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#QPQ completion?. Let's see what the others say. Nsk92 (talk) 11:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Nsk92, far as I am aware that if you add tick, or maybe to a nom that counts as being reviewed. Let's see what other editors think.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:44, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: After a clarification at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#QPQ completion?, I am approving ALT1 hook. (I also saw that you updated your review of Template:Did you know nominations/Josh Yorwerth, using the DYKchecklist template, to indicate that the various required DYK elements have been checked). Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 16:13, 6 September 2019 (UTC)


QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg returned for further work Nsk92 (talk) 16:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep for a copyedit of the article and a better hook. @CAPTAIN MEDUSA: You are interpreting this too literally: Film director, Avi Belkin wanted to do a interview with American journalist, Mike Wallace, after his death. He did not want to interview a dead person, but to produce a documentary of Mike Wallace. @Nsk92: while you are allowed to help the nomination by proposing new hook wording, per Rule H2 you are not allowed to review your own hook. The article desperately needs a copyedit for English grammar; perhaps WP:GOCE can assist. There are other interesting facts in the article to produce a better hook. Yoninah (talk) 19:54, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Ok, thanks. Not being a native English speaker myself, it is harder for me to spot minor grammar errors. Regarding proceeding further, do you think that I should continue the review? Or is it better to let another reviewer do that? Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 19:59, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Nsk92 well, that is going to be a problem for your future reviews. Articles that are featured on the main page need to satisfy all Wikipedia guidelines, including being readable.
  • I think we should wait for CAPTAIN MEDUSA to respond here. I'm also thinking that all the sources need to be reviewed to see if CAPTAIN MEDUSA reported them correctly (actually, I would prefer CAPTAIN MEDUSA doing that, since it's his submission). I'll watchlist this page to handle further developments. Yoninah (talk) 20:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Article was submitted to GOCE back in August. All the content in the article has been reported correctly.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry, sentences like these are not grammatically correct: Belkin, film director whilst getting into this project he was not anticipating to get into Wallace's personal life. I will do an edit of the article later, when I have time. Yoninah (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 18[edit]

Salomon Klass

Captain Salomon Klass
Captain Salomon Klass

Created by Pudeo (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 21:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC).

  • @Yoninah: Given that some may consider the hook claim to be extraordinary, here is a direct quote from the Journal of Contemporary History article for verification (page 83, the author quoting an interview with Klass): Colonel Pilgrim thanked us for the work we had done. I invited him to sit down and we had coffee. We talked of this and that until he suddenly asked if I’d come from the Baltic provinces. My German reminded him of the way it was spoken there. ... I could not keep from mentioning that I was Jewish and that the language I spoke at home was Yiddish, which resembles German. It is for that reason, perhaps, that my speech differs from ordinary German. The colonel rose to his feet, took me by the hand and said: ’I have nothing personal against you as a Jew’. [Saying] ‘Heil Hitler’, he straightened out his arm and walked out of the tent. --Pudeo (talk) 21:55, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg@Pudeo: thank you. I added an alt to more closely follow the source. Ready for review. Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Created on 18 August, not nom until 31st, which is outside the 7 day window. Perhaps an exception can be given, based on Yoninah's observations above? 3697 char, long enough; cited, neutral, no apparent copyvios. QPQ done. Correct link for quote is here the one above does not work, however, AGF quote, as source is locked. Hook is 175 char, under maximum, and interesting. Cited in the article. On the photograph, how do we know its date? The source link does not give one, or maybe I missed it? According to Finnish copyright law of 1961, copyright extended to 25 years after creation or publication, but it needs a copyright validation for the US which goes off of publication date. If it is in the PD in Finland, perhaps URAA applies, but you would need to verify that it was first published abroad and not republished in the US in 30 days; it was first published before 1978 without complying with U.S. copyright formalities or after 1978 without copyright notice and it was in the public domain in its home country on 1 January 1996. SusunW (talk) 17:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • SusunW, since Salomon Klass was originally included in the Leo Skurnik nomination as of August 18, and when a Skurnik-only hook was promoted on August 31, the natural thing to do in that situation is to either continue Klass in the original nomination, which holds the template open longer, or split it off into its own nomination; Yoninah opted for the latter course. Under these circumstances, this is considered a continuation of the original nomination, and since the article was originally nominated on the day it was created, it qualifies for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:11, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review. Pudeo could you please comment on the image license? The photo has been taken from a Telegraph article. Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────┘It is public domain in Finland for 100 % certainty per commons:PD-Finland50 that allows PD for images published up to 1966. Sadly, the exact year wasn't mentioned in the Telegraph article or other sources. There is a slightly less-cropped version elsewhere (WW2incolor), which shows the band for the 4th class Cross of Freedom with swords, so it wasn't wasn't taken before the Winter War (1939). Most of these official military photographies were taken during the "Interim Peace" in 1940, but it's also possible it was taken later 1940-1944, but not later than that. I don't think there's any reason to believe it was published in the United States, but I don't know how to verify that. --Pudeo (talk) 07:35, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I read the Commons documention for Template:Information, and it is acceptable, atleast in Commons, to have a slightly less precise date as long as the copyright status is right. I updated the Commons file description with their {{other date}} template to state the date is "between 1940 and 1944". --Pudeo (talk) 07:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Pudeo and Yoninah: a search of copyright.gov for "Salomon Klass" using it as a title, keyword, and name returns no results, so there is no US copyrighted material by or about him. I think you could add your rationale for the dating and the copyright.gov information with the URAA tag. Even if it was published in 1944, it went into the PD in 1969, well before the 1996 date, since subsequent Finnish laws were not retroactive restorations. Ping me when you have added a US template and I'll clear it. SusunW (talk) 14:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
@SusunW: I updated the commons description. I'm not exactly familiar with URAA, so hopefully it's correct now. Regards, --Pudeo (talk) 18:16, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg AGF source I cannot access for veracity of the hook and rationale for US PD copyright on the photo. You should be GTG. SusunW (talk) 18:25, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Yu Dunkang

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 22:36, 18 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: Without having looked at the article, the line you translated doesn't match the hook. It doesn't say he took comfort in the philosophy itself; it says he took comfort in the legacy of the philosophers' struggle. It's the difference between being inspired by Protestantism and by Martin Luther King Jr, which is pretty big. — LlywelynII 19:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@LlywelynII: Fair enough, but the idea that he found solace in Xuanxue imbues the entire article. For example, this sentence from the same source: "魏晋玄学成了我的精神寄托" ("Wei–Jin Xuanxue became my spiritual support"), followed by his elaboration about how the philosophers dealt with adversity. -Zanhe (talk) 20:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • And that would be fair enough. Like I said, my comment was only about the source you were quoting here. — LlywelynII 20:03, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Kate Dover, Thomas Skinner (etcher)

Created by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I came here to review the hooks (with a preference for ALT1, as ALT0 is not as eyecatching), but reading through Dover's article, it's almost entirely about the crime and her trial, and only a few short paragraphs about her personal life (in contrast to Skinner's article, which seems to be a lot more thorough on the rest of his life). Could this be addressed? In addition, the section headings "The perpetrator, Kate Dover" and "The victim, Thomas Skinner" among others seem to be non-standard. Could this be addressed? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:28, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much for the heads up on those problems. I agree, and have changed section headings and moved page as you requested. Please let me know if you find any further problems. I have also corrected the link in both ALTs. Storye book (talk) 07:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I have had a re-think about whether this should be a biography or not, and what a biography of this woman should consist of, and why it should be different from Thomas Skinner's biography. I created the article in response to the Women in Red project, bearing in mind that not all notable women's biographies can consist of lists of worthy achievements. The value of Kate Dover's trial is not ultimately the schadenfreude of seeing the man who hit her get poisoned, or of seeing the poisoner imprisoned for life with hard labour. The value of the trial in this article is the extraordinary view, that the reporters' obsession with Kate Dover gives us, of the complexity of her character, and of the multiple 19th-century social influences which bore on her life. This girl had it all - youth, looks, a surprising standard of literacy for her position at that time, and artistic skill. But at the same time she had clear fatal flaws and disadvantages (one being her perjuring, helicopter mother) - all laid out for us to see in the reportage of her trial. What really worries me is when I look at the article's infobox, which should really be changed to one suitable for the trial (if there is one) or none at all. And will I then have to remove most of Kate's background biographical material because it doesn't fit the new article title. One of the main reasons why historical articles about women are so much in the minority on WP is that in the past women's lives were mostly unreported, unrecorded and therefore not seen by us, so that biographies of men like Skinner appear more valid on WP today, and criminal women fade into nothing until their trial becomes the subject, and not them. The trial gave us an opportunity to see Kate Dover's character clearly. I'm not sure where to go from here, though one thing I'm sure of is that the full details of Kate Dover and her life should be preserved here. 08:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @ Admin. My apologies for the inconvenience - the template-name will have to be adjusted again, this time for three articles. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 15:16, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Note: I have just realised that this is now a triple nom, so it needs a third QPQ. I have added it (see above). Storye book (talk) 11:35, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you for the edits. Due to limited time, I will be unable to continue reviewing this nomination, so I will leave the rest to Mary Mark Ockerbloom or another editor. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 22[edit]

Erland Erlandson

The hooks don't use this picture but it still looks cool.
  • ... that the Hudson's Bay Company recruited the Danish explorer Erland Erlandson from a British prison ship?
    • ALT1:... that Canadian historians wonder whether explorer Erland Erlandson robbed his boss's bank?
    • ALT2:... that Dano-Canadian explorer Erland Erlandson may have robbed a bank but left the money to the Toronto General Hospital?
    • ALT3:... that the Danish carpenter Erland Erlandson became the first European to cross the Labrador Peninsula because his guides didn't follow his instructions?
    • ALT3a:... that, because his guides didn't follow his instructions, the Danish carpenter Erland Erlandson became the first European to cross the Labrador Peninsula?
    • ALT4:... that the Hudson's Bay Company promoted Erland Erlandson quickly for being a good servant but balked at making him management because he was Danish?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Betty Cantor-Jackson
  • Comment: You only need to review the one hook you like best. Kindly avoid adding extraneous links to the hooks; we're here to promote new/improve articles, not to send more traffic to Canadian historiography or HBC, and the curious can click through and learn sth about the article that has been worked on.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 20:49, 22 August 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2 and ALT3/3a approved. Image would be appropriate with ALT3/3a.
I have struck ALT0, ALT1 and ALT4 because they are not fully supported by the article or the sources (ALT0: he was held in a prison ship; he was recruited the following year after the war ended; ALT1: the source does not say who suspected him of robbing a bank; ALT4: the article and source say because he was "a foreigner and raised from the ranks.", not just because he was Danish.)
In ALT2, I have changed "donated" to "left" ("bequeathed" would also be fine), as "donated" suggests to me that he gave it during his life, while 'left' or 'bequeathed' make clear that it was after he died. I'm not sure about "may have robbed a bank" - that is ambiguous, and could mean "he did it, but anyway he gave the money away" or "it's not known if he robbed a bank or not". Maybe that's OK in a hook.
ALT3 is fine - I have changed the order as in ALT3a, so it's clear that he was the first European to cross it, not just the first of the Europeans whose guides didn't obey them ... but perhaps it's better to have the subject upfront. RebeccaGreen (talk) 22:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see him being credited as crossing the Labrador Peninsula in any of the sources. Each source gives a different route that he crossed, but none of them say the Labrador Peninsula. Yoninah (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Yoninah, they don't specifically say "crossed the Labrador Peninsula", but the Dictionary of Canadian Biography says "The party left Fort Chimo on 6 April 1834 ... On 22 June they reached the western end of tidal Lake Melville (in the area of present-day Goose Bay, Labrador) and Erlandson thus became the first European to travel overland from Hudson Strait to the Atlantic coast." From the Hudson Strait to the Atlantic Coast is south-east across the Labrador Peninsula. The Woman Who Mapped Labrador source says he went from Fort Chimo to the settlement of North West River (which is at the western end of tidal Lake Melville). The North American Exploration source says he went from Fort Chimo to Lake Melville and Hamilton Inlet on the Labrador Coast. This article describes how Erlandson and his guides went from Fort Chimo ... "followed the Whale River to Lakes Petitsikapau and Michikamau ... Passing through a series of small lakes to the Naskaupi and Grand Lake, they reached Goose Bay—the deepest inlet of Esquimaux Bay (now Groswater Bay)—on June 22nd." The hook could of course say "the first to cross from the Hudson Strait to the Atlantic Coast" or "the first to cross from Fort Chimo to North West River", but no one is going to know where they are - especially the latter. They are places on different ends of the Labrador Peninsula, so going from one to the other means crossing it. I did not feel that this was WP:SYNTH or WP:OR - they are places on a map. However, if you're not happy with it, perhaps we should ask the nominator for other suggestions? RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:01, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi again Yoninah, a quick google shows that John McLean (explorer) has been mistakenly described as "the first white man to cross the Labrador peninsula from Ungava Bay to Hamilton Inlet" [18], so following that idea, perhaps a tweak like one of these would solve the problem?
ALT3b: ... that because his guides didn't follow his instructions, the Danish carpenter Erland Erlandson became the first European to cross the Labrador Peninsula from the Hudson Strait to the Atlantic Coast?
ALT3c: ... that because his guides misled him, the Danish carpenter Erland Erlandson became the first European to cross the Labrador Peninsula from the Hudson Strait to the Atlantic Coast?
- using another way to say "didn't follow his instructions" to make the hook a bit shorter in ALT3c. RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi. Even if you choose not to reconstruct the route or to insist on the word 'Labrador' appearing in a source, which is doable but time consuming, I fail to see why any of that is a reason to hold up the nomination. Ms Green didn't need to check all the hooks but apparently did anyway. Just use the verified ALT2. — LlywelynII 03:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • What are you saying? You provided a list of hooks and we are trying to verify them. RebeccaGreen simply wrote down all the sources that I checked. I prefer to use the "guides misled him" hook and will consider Rebecca's alts shortly. Yoninah (talk) 09:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It would be good if another reviewer could check ALT3b and ALT3c, tweaked by me after Yoninah's feedback. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:51, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 24[edit]

Daryl Peach, 2010 World Team Championship?

  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Su Shuyang
  • Comment: Sadly, I don't have any pictures :/ - There's a tonne of interesting things here, but these ones stick out. The team one is my choice, as the team article also meets the criteria, so it's preferable for two noms. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:09, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 14:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Lee Vilenski, please note that you will need to supply a second QPQ review, one per each article used in the hook, since you prefer the double hook ALT3. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:54, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg These two articles are new enough and long enough. The articles are neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. Two QPQs have been done. If we are wanting a two-article hook, we are looking at ALT3. Now I am familiar with snooker and its scoring, but not pool. I can see the hook facts in both articles, so please tell me how the tiebreaker works. Was Peach involved in all of these frames or did he just clinch the match? Why does the article mention Britain in one place and the United Kingdom elsewhere? Should the hook mention the nationality of the team involved? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:11, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • thanks for the review Cwmhiraeth, the playoff isn't a normal thing in pool, it was specific for this tournament. So, it was a playoff match with a first to six frames, but each team had to win by two frames. It was also in rotation, so the interesting bit is that the match was tied for such a long time, and that Peach was the one (out of four) that won the match. The thing about the countries was the sourcing was in German for some of the articles, I'm pretty sure it was a British team, rather than a United Kingdom, but I don't think there are any Irish pool players regardless. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Would you be happy with ALT3a? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 26[edit]

Nurul Alam Chowdhury

Created by S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk). Self-nominated at 17:33, 26 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svgAt 927 characters this seems too short for DYK, and the grammar needs some work. AGFing on the sourcing (the Google Translate results of the sources are obviously nonsense - a 12 year old parliamentarian?) but some of the infobox data are not supported by the article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:20, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your review. Google translation didn't give you proper result. Minimum age to become an MP in Bangladesh is 25.(see Qualifications and disqualifications for election to Parliament) Nurul Alam Chowdhury was the youngest MP in the 1st Parliament of a country. So, I want this to feature on DYK.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 10:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
@S. M. Nazmus Shakib:Yeah, my "nonsense" comment was that I can't rely on Google Translate to check the sources as the translations are obviously incorrect. But the point that we need more prose here still stands. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:13, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: I have added some texts. I think it is enough long for DYK.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 09:53, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, but the infobox needs some sourcing, and I think the article text could also use some prose cleanup; right now it's very choppy. I also wonder if someone can spot-check the sources... Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:59, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: The texts are reorganized. A source is added to infobox too.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
I am not sure about whether their party membership is sourced. I've requested a source spot-check at WT:IN. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:12, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Bangla is the language of both Bangladesh and India. @Jo-Jo Eumerus:, you can verify the DYK on Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for Bangladesh-related topics too.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 16:34, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg At 2294 prose characters, this is now more than long enough for DYK, so superseding the "X" icon so this doesn't get closed by mistake. Assuming Jo-Jo Eumerus will resume once WT:IN report back. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:42, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
    Yeah, on this one I want a double check. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 27[edit]

Type 271 radar

Type 273Q atop the mast of Duke of York
Type 273Q atop the mast of Duke of York

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 17:37, 27 August 2019 (UTC).

  • Can someone crop the image down a little? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandarax (talk • contribs) 19:26, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Maury Markowitz: New, plenty long enough, well-referenced. QPQ is done. The hook is not as clear in the article as it needs to be - the body of the article says that the Duke of York tracked Scharnhorst, but there's no referenced mention that this led to the sinking of the ship. Can that be fixed, please? As Mandarax mentions, the image needs to be cropped if it's going to be used. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
DOY's radar detected S after it had been earlier picked up and then lost again. That detection led to the battle that sunk her. Suggestions on better ways to word this? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: think you need to explain that (with references) in Type_271_radar#Q_models_in_action - at the moment it just says detected + tracked, not that it led to a battle or that it was sunk. It does say that in the lead, but without references, and it should be repeated in the body of the article somewhere anyway. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Oh, so you are saying we need a reference on the battle as a whole? Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: If it's in the hook, then it should be in the body of the article with a reference. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:29, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Ok, I think I have added what you are looking for. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
@Maury Markowitz: That looks better, but has raised a new question - the hook implies that it was the HMS Duke of York that sank Scharnhorst, but the article now says "the other ships in the British and Norwegian destroyers were able to close and destroy her"? Perhaps this needs a tweak to the hook wording? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 28[edit]

Special Area Games Scheme

  • ... that sports promotional scheme Special Area Games of India tries to find and train genetically gifted people? Source: "Livemint"

Moved to mainspace by Deepak G Goswami (talk). Self-nominated at 17:18, 28 August 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 29[edit]

Maud E. Craig Sampson Williams

  • ... that African American suffragist Maud E. Craig Sampson Williams was denied membership in the National American Woman Suffrage Association? Source: "On August 31, 1918, Minnie Fisher Cunningham, the president of TESA, wrote the official response to Williams’ request for membership" ([McCallum (Jane Y.) Papers. AR.E.004. 889-1957. Austin History Center, Austin Public Library, Austin Texas. Box 5, Folder 10])
    • ALT1:... that African American suffragist Maud E. Craig Sampson Williams played a key role in desegregating Texas Western College in 1954, the first Texas undergraduate college to desegregate? Source: "In September 1954, only months after Brown vs. Board of Education, Williams’ committee attempted to desegregate Texas Western College. Williams accompanied Thelma Joyce White, the valedictorian of Douglass School in 1954, to Texas Western to register her for classes" ([WILLIAMS, MAUDE EVANGELINE CRAIG SAMPSON

Created by ZoyaBoris (talk). Self-nominated at 04:26, 4 September 2019 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - ALT0 is good to go, but I think ALT1 could benefit from revision. The phrase "went on to" only makes sense in the context of ALT0; if ALT1 was on the main page, it would be by itself, and "went on to" wouldn't have the necessary context. Also, I think the hook would benefit from being more specific than "helped desegregate universities in Texas" (Helped how, exactly? Which universities?). The idea for the hook is solid, I just think it needs some re-wording.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg This is a great article subject, and a very good article creation. There are a couple of items that need to be addressed, see above, before the nomination can be approved. Please ping me or leave a message on my talk page with any questions, and if you'd like me to take a look again once the above items have been addressed. Good work! – Levivich 23:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  • @ZoyaBoris: Thanks for taking another run through this; I reviewed your changes to the article and the hook and they're both much better. Your changes to ALT1 are great, and you've also taken care of the El Paso Times copyvio issue–great job, both of those issues are all set. It's still unfortunately too high for the TSHAonline.org source (see this comparison showing 50%). Can you do another round of revisions to get that one down like you did for the El Paso source? Thanks! – Levivich 21:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
    • @Levivich: Okay, let's try this again. I made additional revisions. Please let me know if further revisions are needed. ZoyaBoris (talk) 23:42, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the ping, ZoyaBoris! It got better, Earwig score is now at 47.9%, but sorry, that's still too high, "in the yellow". I think the two problem areas are "precinct campaign organizer for the prohibition candidate in the Democratic primary, Robert E. Thomason" and "In 1968, the Interdenominational Ministerial Alliance in El Paso created a Memorial Scholarship Fund in honor of Lawrence A. Nixon, Maude Williams, Leroy W. Washington and other civil rights leaders for a student attending the University of Texas at El Paso.". Both passages appear word-for-word in the TSHA source. I think if you can rewrite those two passages, it should significantly drop the Earwig score and we'll be good to go. Thanks for sticking with this! – Levivich 23:57, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
        • @Levivich: I revised those two passages. Thanks! ZoyaBoris (talk) 00:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
          • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT0 and Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 are good to go. Copyvio issues seem to be sorted now (Earwig green, showing just proper nouns and common phrases). Good going, ZoyaBoris, thanks for all the work you put into the article and nomination! – Levivich 01:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Amy Brown (dietitian)

  • ... that Professor Amy Brown researches social barriers to breastfeeding, one of which is that British people believe that smacking children is more acceptable than breastfeeding in public? Source: [1][2]

Created by Nejaby (talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 29 August 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg the hook is not mentioned in the article. The hook needs to be rewritten. I've fixed the template for you. Also, make sure to read the rules of dyk at WP:DYKRULES. Pining @Nejaby:.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 09:47, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the template Pining @CAPTAIN MEDUSA:. I have amended to include only text in the article. Will do a couple of reviews since this is my second DYK article. Nejaby (talk) 14:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Changing breastfeeding policies worldwide - Economic and Social Research Council". esrc.ukri.org. Retrieved 2019-08-29.
  2. ^ Dean, Sam (2016-09-09). "Britain has world's lowest breastfeeding rates because young mothers are pressured to 'get their lives back', expert says". The Telegraph. ISSN 0307-1235. Retrieved 2019-08-29.

Articles created/expanded on August 31[edit]

Margaret Barr (choreographer)

Margaret Barr's "Strange Children" (ballet), 1955 - photographer unknown (4944459226)
  • ... that Martha Graham-trained choreographer Margaret Barr created over eighty works inspired by topics as diverse as Gandhi, Margaret Mead, the Snowy Mountains scheme and paintings by Gauguin? As for ALT1, plus R.R. (29 August 1960). "Benefit Concert By Dance Group". The Sydney Morning Herald. Sydney, New South Wales. p. 6: "A Poly-Asian Nursery Rhyme is a ballet of rich and unique humour. Beautifully based on, and reproducing in colour and costumes, the Tahitian paintings of Paul Gauguin."
    • ALT1:... that that Martha Graham-trained choreographer Margaret Barr created over eighty works inspired by topics as diverse as Gandhi, Margaret Mead, drought and the Melbourne Cup? Australian Dictionary of Biography entry [19]; Harris, Joanne (June 2004). "Margaret Barr, storyteller. Part one: Snowy". Brolga. An Australian journal about dance. AusDance - the Australian Dance Council (20): 43. "Barr produced and staged dance dramas in Australia every year from 1952 until her retirement in 1990. She died on 29 May 1991 and at her funeral on 4 June John Ellis brought to our attention that Barr had created over eighty works throughout her life."; "Teacher's unique contribution to Australian dance". The Sydney Morning Herald. Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. 1 June 1991. p. 11: "Margaret Barr ... went to New York to study with Martha Graham ... her dance presentations ranged over topics as diverse as the work of Mahatma Gandhi and Margaret Mead, drought and the Melbourne Cup."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Roberts Landing
  • Comment: Oh dear, I think this is a few hours over 7 days old! (no, I think it's just under - time zones are confusing!) Other hooks would no doubt be possible. There is one possible image in the article (Strange Children) - I hope to get more from the State Library of NSW, and will add one here if I get one of Barr herself.

Created and moved to mainspace by RebeccaGreen (talk). Self-nominated at 20:30, 7 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: @RebeccaGreen: I've moved this nom to 31 August as per DYK rules, because that is when the article was created. You listed it under 7 September, the day you created the nomination. As long as the date the article was created was still in the unshaded part of the table (not the pink part) when you made your nomination, it is current, and 31 Aug would have still been unshaded on 7 Sept, so you are fine. The image in the article, "Margaret Barr's Strange Children", is interesting and would be good added to your nom. That image might be more interesting than just a standard portrait photo of Barr. Felixkrater (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Felixkrater! I did it in a bit of a rush, thinking that the week had passed by a few hours. I am very glad to know about the shading in the table, thank you, and to be reminded of which date it's supposed to be added to. Re photos, if I am able to obtain more, I think that they will likely be of other performances and perhaps even of Barr dancing. I'm not aware of any standard studio portraits of her - most of the ones I have seen are either of performances or classes. 'Strange Children' was also based on a painting, but I doubt anyone would have heard of the painting or the artist, otherwise I might have included that in the hook. Thanks again, RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:13, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
I have added the 'Strange Children' image here, as suggested. The hook would probably need to be tweaked to include it. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 1[edit]

Lady Elizabeth Echlin

  • ... that Lady Elizabeth Echlin published a revised ending to Samuel Richardson's classic novel Clarissa, and made a shell grotto with verses specially written by Richardson at Rush, County Dublin? Echlin [née Bellingham], Elizabeth, Lady Echlin". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/39722
    • ALT1: ... that Lady Elizabeth Echlin, a correspondent of the author, published a revised ending to Samuel Richardson's Clarissa, in which the rape that was central to the original version is averted? Echlin [née B ellingham], Elizabeth, Lady Echlin". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/39722
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment:

Created by PamD (talk). Nominated by SeoR (talk)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Date and length of the article are OK. There are a few small issues in the article that need fixing (which I'll address later), but there is also a more substantive problem. The article misreads the sentence "...the rape fails, Clarissa recovers to live a single life, and Lovelace, wounded by James, becomes 'a cripple & a sincere penitent'" in Keymer. That sentence in Keymer refers to another possible alternate ending of Clarissa, planned by Lady Bradshaigh (Elizabeth Echlin's sister). The full sentence in the source makes this point clear: "Lady Bradshaigh herself ... plotted an alternate ending in which the rape fails, Clarissa recovers to live a single life, ..." The source later, still on p. 214, says: "But Lady Echlin went further, realising her desire for a more harmonious conclusion in a lengthy manuscript pastiche of Richardson's text. In it she accepts [...] But she changes the circumstances completely: the rape is removed, Clarissa dies of grief, ...". The "Oxford Dictionary of National Biography" source says basically the same thing about Echlin's alternate ending: "The novel's two protagonists still die, but Clarissa's rape is averted and Lovelace turns penitent". This issue needs to be fixed both in the article and in the hook(s). Pinging the article's creator here @PamD:, just in case. Thanks Nsk92 (talk) 11:31, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks, and I hope the article's creator won't mind if some initial corrective work is made.SeoR (talk) 12:34, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh dear, I feel mortified at my careless mis-quoting. Thanks for spotting the problem, @Nsk92:, and for working on it, @SeoR:. I often remind other editors to take more care over their edits (usually when they're linking to disambiguation pages etc) ... pots and kettles. PamD 14:49, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

KOET (Utah), KWCS-TV, KUSU-TV

  • Reviewed: Coney Island Cyclone; Joseph Marie LaBarge, Senior; Magdalene Visaggio
  • Comment: ALT1 is only for KOET and KWCS-TV and, if used, should be promoted with the ALT2 for KUSU-TV.

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 19:18, 2 September 2019 (UTC).

2018 Women's World Snooker Championship

Created by Lee Vilenski (talk) and BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Nominated by Lee Vilenski (talk) at 20:32, 1 September 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 2[edit]

Edgardo Labella

Created by Emperork (talk). Self-nominated at 13:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC).

2019 Chungju World Martial Arts Masterships

  • Reviewed: Exempt-fewer than 5 DYK credits (this is my 2nd dyk)

Created by Taewangkorea (talk). Self-nominated at 12:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC).

References

  1. ^ 심규석 (2019-08-30). "'지구촌 무술 축제' 충주 세계무예마스터십 '팡파르'". 연합뉴스 (in Korean). Retrieved 2019-09-02.

Articles created/expanded on September 3[edit]

Hans Riemer (Austrian politician)

  • ... that the Austrian politician Hans Riemer wrote a brochure Ewiges Wien (Eternal Vienna) in 1945 when he was the city's press secretary? Source: several
  • ALT1: ... that the Austrian politician Hans Riemer went from a prisoner of war in 1945 to the of the presidency of the Bundesrat in 1955?
Grave of Hans Riemer
Grave of Hans Riemer

Created by Evrik (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:34, 8 September 2019 (UTC).

  • comment: I formatted the image but find ALT2 not informative, - something he shares with hundreds of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't think ALT0 and ALT2 are interesting enough, to be frank. From reading the article, I think a hook about Riemer leading the photography and film department at the Socialist Education Center might be more interesting. SounderBruce 04:51, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Madara Uchiha

  • ... that the article Madara Uchiha was created on 3rd September, 2019 through Article for Creation.

Created by AbhiMukh97 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Firstly, the hook proposed is unsuitable as it does not give an interesting fact about the subject. Secondly, there is currently a cleanup template in the article, which will need to be resolved before this can be approved for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:01, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I revised the reception a bit and thought about this:
  • Did you know that while Madara Uchiha is one of the final antagonists of Naruto he does not make his first appearance until the final arc?
  • Did you know that Madara Uchiha has been impersonated by Obito Uchiha for most of his appearances in Naruto?
  • ... that Madara Uchiha's surprising debut in the series confused his own English voice actor Neil Kaplan about how should he handle his characterization? "GAMRs Ep 11 Extras - Optimoose Kaplan: Pre-show banter". Gamr. Retrieved August 31, 2019.

@Narutolovehinata5:

The hook still sounds a bit niche and might not appeal so much to those unfamiliar with anime. Maybe something else could be proposed here? Possible suggestions could include how he was created as part of an effort to create characters that could "resolve conflicts as opposed to killing each other", or maybe something about the reception he received? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Space National Guard

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 04:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. One paragraph is unsourced. I don't think that that op-ed can be interpreted as the proposed U.S. Space Force did not contain plans for a Space National Guard; also is this guy's opinion particularly noteworthy? - the US military is a big organization. Also not sold on the Defense Department promised further study of the matter. I think comitteed is a typo. Is source #7 talking about the Guard in general or only its Colorado part? I am not sure if I would interpret #8 as a "transfer". Didn't see any copyvio or plagiarism. Now about the hook - I kinda think that the first version is dependent on the "transfer" point I raised before. Beyond that it's a little more interesting than the ALT hook. Something is broken about the source link to the map. QPQ is OK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Jo-Jo Eumerus - thank you very much for the review. I've made all these corrections but please let me know if I missed anything. To the question about Dunbar; I believe he's noteworthy as he's the commanding general of the entire Wisconsin National Guard. Chetsford (talk) 21:32, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Er, the "further thought" does not seem to refer to the comments by these senators, despite how it is implied in our article. I don't think the new source addresses the problem I have with "transfer" - "How would I present the bureaucratic, the operational piece in the bureaucracy into a new Space Command is, I would do it from those seven states," in the source is a bit difficult to understand - are you sure it can be read as "transfer"? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:00, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • We might have to agree to disagree, but I've removed the passage in question from the article in any case. Chetsford (talk) 14:49, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • OK, then. ALT1 is OK, the first hook is a touch more interesting but needs to be stated in the article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 4[edit]

Misty Mountain

  • Reviewed: Winnie Quagliotti
  • Comment: The page numbers are unclear on Google Books, and there is a tantalisingly unavailable further mention of Hepburn and snakes later in the book. No Swan So Fine (talk) 11:38, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 11:38, 8 September 2019 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 14:04, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Marie Dacke

Marie Dacke
Marie Dacke
  • ... that Swedish scientist Marie Dacke (pictured) won the Ig Nobel Prize for discovering that dung beetles use the Milky Way as a compass? Source: "In 2013 she won the Ig Nobel Prize in the joint astronomy and biology category for showing that nocturnal dung beetles can use the Milky Way as a compass" ([20])
    • ALT1:... that Swedish scientist Marie Dacke (pictured) was named the best science communicator of Sweden in 2012? Source: "In 2012 Dacke was named the best science communicator in Sweden in a national competition called the Forskar Grand Prix (Science Grand Prix)" ([21])

Created by Achaea (talk). Self-nominated at 08:43, 8 September 2019 (UTC).

  • I'd prefer dropping the Ig Nobel, which could be taken as making fun of Dacke. How about just ALT2: ... that Swedish scientist Marie Dacke (pictured) discovered that dung beetles can use the Milky Way to orientate? Haukur (talk) 10:23, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm basing the wording here on the abstract of the research article itself, which seems the safest course.[22] Haukur (talk) 10:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • It bothers me a little bit that the image and the Swedish article were created by an editor without other significant contributions. For one thing, uploaders with little experience often don't have understanding of the image licensing policy. The actual photograph was taken by one Erik Thor according to the SUA website: [23] It's possible, of course, that Climbingsloth is Erik Thor but it also seems quite possible that this is a copyvio upload. This should be looked into. Haukur (talk) 11:32, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg The size is below 1500 characters (pagesize.js gives me 1373). Haukur (talk) 12:16, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Haukur Thanks for the review! Sorry about the size, I must have counted the characters wrong! Will see if I can expand the page and will comment here when/if it's over 1500 character (or if I think it's not possible in which case obviously happy for the DYK to be rejected. Personally I see the Ig Nobel Prize as a badge of honour, but happy to drop it if you think this is not generally the case. With regards to the image and Swedish article, I used the Swedish one as inspiration, but it is not a literal translation and I have sought out additional sources myself, so the English article should be absolutely fine. With regards to the photo I'm not sure what is going on there and what the best step is to resolve that, I just found a photo on Wiki Commons and figured that if there was something wrong with the photo it would be resolved there. Achaea (talk) 08:42, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I looked into the Swedish article too and it seemed okay, so I'm not worried about the text anymore. As for the image, I suggest you contact Erik Thor or the SUA to clarify the matter. The photographer could then confirm the license or (if it wasn't his upload) maybe agree to release it freely anyway. Or he might not, of course. Good luck with the article revisions. Haukur (talk) 09:10, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I have expanded the article and emailed the SUA to check re the photo (but still waiting for a reply). Will update as soon as I get one! Achaea (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 5[edit]

Julie Dretzin

  • ... that Julie Dretzin assumed that she would not have a role in The Sisters Rosensweig, but she had to later move for the role even though she was already shopping for an apartment near her campus?

Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:38, 5 September 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 6[edit]

Seventh German Inner Africa Research Expedition

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 17:21, 6 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I haven't taken a thorough look at the article yet, but the main source (Da Riva) calls the Frobenius expedition of 1914–15 the "Fourth German Inner African Research Expedition", while our article calls it the seventh. Could you please explain the discrepancy? -Zanhe (talk) 20:12, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Zanhe, this is addressed in the article (towards the end of the "Strategic aims" section). Da Riva calls it the fourth but the Frobenius Institute, who hold all of the records relating to the expeditions, list it as the seventh, I've listed all the expeditions in the German Inner Africa Research Expeditions article - Dumelow (talk) 13:06, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Catherine S. Lutz

Major General Catherine Lutz
Major General Catherine Lutz
  • Reviewed: to follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:44, 6 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and well sourced. Hook is interesting and supported by supplied source. Image is PD. There is some minor close paraphrasing with the National Guard source, but that's not an issue as the source is PD itself. Awaiting QPQ. -Zanhe (talk) 19:53, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Erramatti Mangamma

  • ... that Erramatti Mangamma at 74 years of age became the oldest mother to give birth to twins?

Created/expanded by Abishe (talk). Self-nominated at 16:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This is an interesting article and subject, but there are some issues. Some copyediting is needed. Currently the article is 1011 characters (and with copyediting likely to fall), it must be a minimum of 1,500. The article is very stubby, only having a brief mention of the birth, and very little about the subject. The references are all Indian news websites, I'd expect something medically significant such as this ought to have greater coverage, both internationally and in more rigorous scholarship. Of the sources, one is "74-year-old Andhra woman delivers twin girls, may be the oldest ever to give birth" or that she is "possibly the oldest woman in the country to have attained motherhood", or that she is the "oldest living mother" - which introduces some ambiguity to the statement and indeed the subject's notability. No mention is made in the cited source of being the "oldest mother to give birth to twins" - though it can be logically implied if it is true that she is "the oldest ever to give birth" and that she gave birth to twins. That said, I'm not sure if the wording does support this, and even if it does, it ought to be explicit rather than implicit for the hook fact. The article is in date and QPQ does not appear necessary. No copyvio detected. Spokoyni (talk) 18:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 7[edit]

Fred Thomas (bassist)

  • ... that ...? bassist Fred Thomas performed with James Brown for over thirty years. Source: "Fred held the the bass chair in Mr. Brown’s band for more than 30 years", source link
    • ALT1:... that ...? bassist Fred Thomas' first and last studio recordings are forty seven years apart? Source: "has a great bass pattern from Fred Thomas", Album review: Hot Pants 1971 link 1. "A few months before this show [in September 2018], the J.B.'s self-released a new album" link 2
  • Reviewed: To be done
  • Comment: Real life took a few days, therefore nominating on the 8th day after creation.

Created by Bammesk (talk). Self-nominated at 14:09, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

Lothagam North Pillar Site

Lothagam in Kenya
Lothagam in Kenya

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 21:22, 12 September 2019 (UTC).


QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Both hooks approved. Everything looks good. Thanks for another interesting article! – Levivich 03:30, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Brandon Specktor (2018-08-22). "Massive, Ancient Stone Monument in Kenya Held More Than 500 Bodies, 400 Gerbil Teeth".
  2. ^ Maya Wei-Haas (2018-08-20). "Ancient Riches Discovered at Mysterious Burial Monument".

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Celebes warty pig

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 10:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC).

Victoriano G. de Ysasi

Victoriano G. de Ysasi
Victoriano G. de Ysasi
  • ... that before his death in a railway accident in 1881, Victoriano G. de Ysasi (pictured) owned an almost complete collection of the stamps of Spain?
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 08:33, 13 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is in the public domain, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ still needs to be done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:19, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Brett Toth

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 12:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new enough and long enough, but the hook fact isn't explicitly included in the article. The article states, "became the first person to represent West Point at the Senior Bowl", rather than the first Army Black Knights football player. I can't access the source (US news sites don't like the EU's GDPR) to confirm what is said there. With a small tweak to either the hook or the article though, this would be good to go. Harrias talk 08:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on September 8[edit]

Andrea Ihle

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 08:47, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

Alicja Iwańska

  • ... that Polish resistance member Alicja Iwańska became an academic and compared political, religious, and racial persecution in Europe to United States segregation restrictions?Source: "zaangażowani już w konspirację AK" [involved already in the Home Army underground] and "u podstaw programu seminarium, jakie zaproponowała studentom z Atlanty, pt. „Katastrofy społeczne”, na którym przedstawiała takie zagadnienia, jak niemieckie kacety, rosyjskie łagry, prześladowania polityczne, religijne i rasowe w XX wieku, a wszystko na tle rasizmu na Południu USA" [...at the heart of the seminar program she presented to Atlanta (University) students, "Social Disasters", in which she presented issues such as German hangouts, Russian gulags, political, religious and racial persecution in the 20th century, all against the backdrop of racism in the South of the USA.[24]

Improved to Good Article status by SusunW (talk), Piotrus (talk), and Ipigott (talk). Nominated by SusunW (talk) at 16:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

Sulfur-breathing organisms

Created/expanded by Sm8900 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Sm8900, this article is currently below 500 characters of text length. The minimum for DYK is 1500. Happy to take another look if/when it is expanded, if you could ping me. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 09:07, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
that sounds fine. I appreciate your help. thanks, To Dumelow:. Sm8900 (talk) 19:12, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I will add that we already have an article on Sulfur-reducing bacteria, although the content of the nominated page is actually about Sulfate-reducing bacteria. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg The nomination is on hold until the merge proposal is settled. Graeme Bartlett, the Sulfate-reducing bacteria link redirects to Sulfate-reducing microorganisms—the article was moved back in 2017—so I'd like to suggest that you update the merge template, and also start a discussion on whichever talk page it links to, since a merge proposal is never going to go anywhere without a place to discuss it and come to consensus. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
The discussion was already here: Talk:Sulfur-breathing organisms#Merge. I have now added a header to make the discussion distinct from this transcluded DYKN. I have updated the merge template as you suggest. CatPath agreed and already transferred content. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:36, 14 September 2019 (UTC)


The Ramble and Lake

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:56, 8 September 2019 (UTC).

William Smith (antiquary), The Annals of University College

The Annals of University College (1728)
The Annals of University College (1728)

Created by Tenpop421 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:11, 8 September 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 9[edit]

Aristide Blank

  • Reviewed: Getting around to it
  • Comment: This was created 8 days ago (so one day longer than the technical term set here), but was expanded by me in the interval. I'm hoping we also count this is a nomination for Biruitorul (talk · contribs), without whom there would be nothing to expand. Dahn (talk) 07:31, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Created by Biruitorul (talk) and Dahn (talk). Nominated by Dahn (talk) at 07:31, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

M. Sreeshankar

  • ... that two months after being unable to walk properly, Indian long jumper M. Sreeshankar won the bronze medal at the 2018 Asian Junior Athletics Championships? Source: "Long jumper M Sreeshankar hasn't celebrated the bronze medal he won at the Junior Asian Championships" [26] "He couldn’t muster enough strength to walk properly." [27]
    • ALT1:... that two months after an appendix surgery, suffering significant weight loss and being unable to walk properly, long jumper M. Sreeshankar won the bronze medal at the Asian Junior Championships? Source: same as above plus "had an emergency operation for the appendix" "he lost significant body weight" [28]

Created by Dee03 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

Maggy Hurchalla

Created by Enwebb (talk). Self-nominated at 15:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

Walter Bartley Wilson

  • ... that, during 44 years working with Cardiff City F.C., club founder Walter Bartley Wilson was also instrumental in building its first ground, managed the team, worked as secretary and even wrote match reports for the South Wales Echo? Source: WalesOnline (match reports & ground) From Grahame Lloyd's book: "Bart laboured tirelessly for the good of Cardiff City as inspirational founder, enthusiastic first secretary and even, for a disastrous six months in the Thirties, as manager. Indeed, when he died at his home in Llanfair Road, Canton, he had only recently retired as assistant secretary at Ninian Park, the club's home since 1910"

Improved to Good Article status by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 06:10, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

Phyllanthus balgooyi

Phyllanthus balgooyi phloem sap
Phyllanthus balgooyi phloem sap
  • ... that the phloem sap (pictured) of Phyllanthus balgooyi contains up to 16.9 percent nickel by weight? Source: van der Ent, Antony; Callahan, Damien L.; Noller, Barry N.; Mesjasz-Przybylowicz, Jolanta; Przybylowicz, Wojciech J.; Barnabas, Alban; Harris, Hugh H. (2017). "Nickel biopathways in tropical nickel hyperaccumulating trees from Sabah (Malaysia)". Scientific Reports. 7 (1). doi:10.1038/srep41861., p2: "Phyllanthus balgooyi (Phyllanthaceae) was only recently discovered and described from the Philippines and Malaysian Borneo. This species is highly unusual because its stem exudes a green sap that contains up to 16.9% Ni"
    • ALT1:... that the phloem sap (pictured) of Phyllanthus balgooyi contains so much nickel, that it has a bright green color? Source: Hoffmann, Petra; Baker, Alan J.M.; Madulid, Domingo A.; Proctor, John (2003). "Phyllanthus Balgooyi (euphorbiaceae S.L.), a New Nickel-Hyperaccumulating Species from Palawan and Sabah". Blumea. 48 (1): 193–199. doi:10.3767/000651903X686178., p193: "Phyllanthus exudes a jade-green sap as a consequence of the extremely high Ni concentrations in the phloem tissues"
    • ALT2:... that some insects consume the nickel-rich leaves of Phyllanthus balgooyi to concentrate the metal in their own bodies as a defense mechanism? Source: van der Ent, Antony; Erskine, Peter; Sumail, Sukaibin (2015). "Ecology of nickel hyperaccumulator plants from ultramafic soils in Sabah (Malaysia)". Chemoecology. 25 (5): 243–259. doi:10.1007/s00049-015-0192-7., pp255-256: "Specialist insect herbivores may feed on Ni hyperaccumulators without negative effects and one geometric moth species has been found in this study to feed exclusively on the Ni hyperaccumulator Phyllanthus balgooyi. Such Ni-tolerant insects preferentially feed on Ni hyperaccumulators to increase their own body Ni content to deter their predators"
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 21:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article moved to mainspace recently enough and long enough. No copyvio. Article looks well-cited. I like Alt1 best! I think it accompanies the picture well. The facts from Alt1 are cited in the article and supported by the source. The image is used in the article in question. The image is accurately licensed from the source material and of suitable copyright status to use. Just waiting for QPQ. Enwebb (talk) 15:30, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Juxlos Just waiting for QPQ. Enwebb (talk) 13:58, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Gabriel Amavizca

Amavizca at the game against the Toronto Argonauts.
Amavizca at the game against the Toronto Argonauts.
  • ... that in June 2019, Hamilton Tiger-Cats placekicker Gabriel Amavizca (pictured) became the first global player to score points in a CFL regular season game kicking two converts at his team's 64–14 win over the Toronto Argonauts? Source: "Hamilton’s Gabriel Amavizca-Ortiz kicked two converts to become the first global player to score points in the CFL." CFL.ca

Created by Cocu15 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:35, 9 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Image is very low-brightness and should be increased in contrast. Hook is over length and "global player" may need to be defined for a general audience. (Reviewer is Canadian and unfamiliar with the phrase's exact meaning - does it refer to players originating outside Canada and the United States, or just Canada?) I think this is a really good fact, if I understand it correctly - can't believe the CFL has gone so many years without accomplishing this! Awmcphee (talk) 20:35, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that in June 2019, Hamilton Tiger-Cats placekicker Gabriel Amavizca (pictured) became the first non-Canadian or non-American player to score points in a CFL regular season match?
@Awmcphee and Cocu15:Would this wording work better? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
@Awmcphee: Indeed, "global player" refers to any player originating outside Canada and the United States.
@Narutolovehinata5: I think it works, thanks. Cocu15 (talk) 6:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Lilias Adie

Torryburn Bay, where Lilias Adie's remains were discovered.
Torryburn Bay, where Lilias Adie's remains were discovered.
  • ... that the philanthropist Andrew Carnegie had a walking stick made out of a piece of the coffin from Lilias Adie's grave – the only known grave for an accused witch in Scotland? [29]
    • ALT1:... that forensic artists at the University of Dundee digitally reconstructed the face of accused witch Lilias Adie from century-old photos of her skull? [30]

Created by Stinglehammer (talk). Self-nominated at 14:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 00:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, will redraft problem parts and ping when it's ready for review again. Thanks.Stinglehammer (talk) 09:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 10[edit]

Ye Zhupei

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:46, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

Glory to Hong Kong

  • ... that some protesters have described "Glory to Hong Kong" as the unofficial national anthem of Hong Kong? Source: TIME

Created by Laiwinglong (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 06:40, 14 September 2019 (UTC).

People singing Glory to Hong Kong in New Town Plaza
People singing Glory to Hong Kong in New Town Plaza

iPhone 11 Pro

  • ... that the iPhone 11 Pro is the first iPhone to feature a "Pro" designation, which was previously only reserved for larger Apple devices (such as the iPad Pro)? [1]
  • reviewed: Exempt- fewer than 5 DYK credits (this is my 4th DYK)
  • Comment: As of now, the XTools article info says I wrote 50.6% of the article. I wrote the hook.

5x expanded by Taewangkorea (talk). Self-nominated at 21:47, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

Enea Scala

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:08, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg ALT1's wording is rather confusing and seems to be focusing more on Otello than Scala himself. It has potential, but it needs to be rephrased to be suitable. ALT0 on the other hand is fairly niche and might not appeal to general readers. Can something else be said about him, like perhaps reviews of his performances or other personal information? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:17, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
I try to avoid reviews, because they can be biased. To be the first among five (!) tenors is something even the person not interested in opera should understand. It was news in a German tabloid, DYK, probably THE German tabloid? - Btw, Otello - Othello - is probably a character most people will associate with, love jealousy, murder of an innocent. (Let's not tell them that in this staging, she kills herself.) -Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
ALT2:... that the tenor Enea Scala has appeared in roles by Rossini, most recently Otello as the first of five tenors? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
I would suggest just re-ordering the words in ALT1, to say:
ALT1a:... that the tenor Enea Scala has appeared in roles by Rossini, most recently in the title role of Otello, an opera which requires at least five tenors?
To me, that makes it clear that he sang Otello, and that Rossini's Otello requires at least five tenors. I find "the first of five tenors" a bit confusing, as if five tenors sing one role. This alternative wording doesn't say he was the first of the five, but that he sang the title role, which is clearly the most important. Or you could say "which requires at least four other tenors", perhaps? RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:01, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Sarah Robinson (activist)

  • Reviewed: to follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 12:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, length, references and neutrality are all good. All hooks are interesting and cited; my personal favourite is ALT1 but the promoter is free to choose. No apparent close paraphrasing from the sources I can access. Just waiting on a QPQ. 97198 (talk) 13:42, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 11[edit]

William Rath

Quote: "He is shown drinking from a 'Fountain of Youth,' something that was in vogue in the late 1800s." Source: The Colorful Murals of Ludington

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:35, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

KSJU (Minnesota)

  • ... that after KSJU radio was forced off FM and onto a cable system, students at the College of Saint Benedict could not listen to it on campus, even though their activity fees supported it? Several articles attest to the lack of service on CSB's campus between 1988 and 1993

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 03:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC).

Battle of Bovey Heath

  • ... that during the Battle of Bovey Heath, Royalist officers escaped by "throwing their stakes of money", which the enemy soldiers paused to collect? Source: "officers ... only escaped by throwing their stakes of money out of window among the Round Heads; which whilst our soldiers ... were scrambling for, the escaped out at a back door". (Besley, Henry (1846). The Route Book of Devon: A Guide for the stranger and tourist. p. 257.)
  • Comment: QPQ to follow

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self-nominated at 10:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Harrias: Recent expansion and sufficiently long, well-cited, hook interesting and cited in article. No copyvio detected by tool, just pending QPQ now.

Sheep Meadow

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 13:38, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is newly promoted to GA, neutral, and well referenced. Because of the huge number of sources I ran the article through Earwig's copyvio detector; it showed a close match to a source from the NY Daily News, meaning part of the "Use in media" section should be reworded (see the comparison here). I much prefer ALT1, which I think is more interesting to a broad audience, and the hook facts are cited. Also waiting on a QPQ (pinging Epicgenius). 97198 (talk) 11:08, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @97198: Thanks for the review. I have done a QPQ, and also added an ALT2 - see what you think about that. epicgenius (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius: Do you feel strongly about combining the two articles into one hook? In my opinion the individual hooks are certainly interesting enough to stand on their own, but if you would prefer to combine them that's up to you. I'll hold off on giving this one the tick until we've decided, so it doesn't get accidentally promoted in the meantime. 97198 (talk) 07:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @97198: I don't really have an opinion one way or the other. I just threw out ALT2 as a suggestion, since it's interesting that Central Park had these two features (to me at least). If you think these would be better as two separate hooks, that's also fine. epicgenius (talk) 14:09, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Ask Dr. Ruth

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 12:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The full review is to follow, but for now I wonder if it might be appropriate to mention that Westheimer was a Holocaust survivor since the current hook feels rather pedestrian. Then again, the description "sex therapist" may be enough to raise interest (it sure caught my attention at least). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Patricia Swallow

  • Reviewed: to follow
  • Comment: ALT0 plays on the surname relating to bird watching. I have used HM Naval Service rather than Royal Navy in ALT1 as her father served in the Royal Navy and she served in the Women's Royal Naval Service.

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 09:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewing...new enough, long enough, interesting hook. QPQ to be done. One disamabig. link to fix, will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Copyvio ok, hook in article and in following citation. I prefer proposed hook. Will tick when QPQ done. Whispyhistory (talk) 07:27, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Japan National Route 280

  • ... that what today is Japan National Route 280 was established for officials traveling through northern Japan and it also had defensive importance to the Japanese who feared of a Russian incursion into Ezo? Source: "What is known today as National Route 280 was originally established during the Edo period by Tokugawa Ieyasu as the Matsumaedō. Its primary purpose was for government officials traveling through the area as a branch of the Ōshū Kaidō, one of the Edo Five Routes connecting the capital to the rest of Japan. It also had defensive importance to the Japanese who feared a of a Russian incursion into Ezo which was ruled by the Matsumae clan; however the main threat to Japanese control of the area was rebellion by the native Ainu." (Marius B. Jansen (2000). The Making of Modern Japan (PDF). Psychology Press. pp. 258–264.)

5x expanded by Mccunicano (talk). Self-nominated at 02:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Mccunicano: New enough and large enough expansion. No QPQ necessary; first nomination. However, I cannot find the quote at all in Jansen. Can I get clarification? I need it to verify the accuracy of the hook.
As to the hook, I would like to suggest that the hook be split into one or the other... Raymie (t • c) 03:16, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that National Route 280 was originally established as a road for officials traveling through northern Japan?
  • ALT2: ... that National Route 280 was of defensive importance to the Japanese, who feared a Russian incursion into Ezo?
I like the second hook you suggested, it's a bit more compact than the hook I proposed, but it still gets the same message across. As for the source, Jansen doesn't directly state that the Matsumaedō was important in this regard, but he does mention the importance of the domain it went to. I just added a Japanese source that directly talks about the importance of the road in regards to the Russian interests in the area. Mccunicano 01:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

The Dairy

Created by Buckyboot (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 00:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Also pinging @97198:, who also reviewed the Sheep Meadow article, in regards to ALT2. epicgenius (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 12[edit]

2019 British prorogation controversy

  • Reviewed: Jeannette Guyot
  • Comment: Another Brexit new article. The main hook might be dated come Tuesday, but even if prorogation is found lawful, it's interesting enough for a hook.

Created by Sceptre (talk). Self-nominated at 22:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date and length fine. I am striking ALT0 as the case is still ongoing and may be overruled. Also ALT1 is stricken for NPOV violations. I am more inclined to favour ALT3. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing. However @Sceptre: I would hold this until the Supreme Court make their decision, hence why I am not approving it at this time. When the Court has made their decision, I will pass it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Jeni Bojilova-Pateva

Improved to Good Article status by SusunW (talk) and Ipigott (talk). Nominated by SusunW (talk) at 19:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

Rockaways' Playland

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 18:23, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

Mill Basin, Brooklyn

  • ... that the New York City neighborhood of Mill Basin, once a desolate swampland, now contains multi-million-dollar homes? Source: NY Daily News
    • ALT1:... that the New York City neighborhood of Mill Basin, once a busy industrial area, now contains multi-million-dollar homes? Source: NY Times 2017
    • ALT2:... that the New York City neighborhood of Mill Basin, once a desolate swampland and an industrial area, now contains multi-million-dollar homes? Source: NY Daily News; NY Times 2017
    • ALT3:... that a ship captain allegedly formed an alliance with the pirate William Kidd and allowed him to bury treasure on New York City's Mill Island? Source: NY Times 1991

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 16:12, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

Ellen Lee Zhou

Zhou in 2018
Zhou in 2018
  • that San Francisco mayoral candidate Ellen Lee Zhou (pictured), an immigrant from Guangdong, China, wants to build a wall on the US–Mexico border? Source (that she's an immigrant): "Born in 1969, Zhou is the sixth in a family of seven children in Taishan, a city west of Hong Kong. Her mother was a peasant, and her father worked in Guangzhou, the provincial capital." (SFGate)
    Source (that she wants a Trump wall): "Once and future mayoral candidate Ellen Lee Zhou’s noontime City Hall pro-Trump, pro-wall rally — for the immigrants — was attended by a crowd of, say, four people which, at times, dipped to two and, at others, rose to six." (Mission Local)
  • Reviewed: Johannes Latuharhary
  • Comment: Sorry guys, no ALT1. It's my hook or nothing, I can't think of anything else, and think my hook is strong.

Created by Psiĥedelisto (talk). Self-nominated at 08:25, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg This needs to survive and AfD first. I will resume he review if there's anything left to review when the AfD dust settles. Also, the thumb used here is not present in the mage page, nor do I see a commons category allowing access to this in the article (also that image may not be free, started a discussion on Commonsresolved, image is free). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

The image is 100% free and another editor vandalized my article, which you decided to AfD before even reverting. I've responded both on AfD and Commons and look forward to a prompt resolution. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 04:16, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Confirmed. I will also note that there is an edit war there between the SPA and the creator (Psiĥedelisto), through I expect the SPA will just get blocked soon for edit warring, solving this particular problem before the AfD finishes. FYI if the AfD is finished without deletion, I expect this article will pass for DYK; we will see how it looks, if at all, when that happens. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:49, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
A single revert does not an edit war make. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 08:13, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 13[edit]

WGBP-FM

  • ... that Kevin Harlan said his "first good move" in sports broadcasting was getting into radio at WGBP-FM? Source: "That [going to Kansas] was probably my second good move, my first being getting into radio in the first place at WGBP."

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 16:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

Lü Peijian

  • ... that a few months after Lü Peijian was appointed China's Auditor General, he announced the discovery of more than US$1.6 billion worth of tax evasion, fraud, and waste? Source: Washington Post

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:57, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

Starrett City, Brooklyn

  • ... that after the creation of a private police force in the 1970s, Starrett City went from being one of New York City's most dangerous neighborhoods to one of its safest? Source: NY Magazine; NY Times 1979
    • ALT1:... that to circumvent a racial quota struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, apartments at Starrett City were left vacant instead of being rented to black and Hispanic families? Source: NY Times 1990
    • ALT2:... that Starrett City is said to be the largest federally assisted rental property in the United States? Source: NY Times 2017

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 21:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC).

Andrei Volozhinsky

  • ... that with his appointment to head the 12th Submarine Squadron, Rear-Admiral Andrei Volozhinsky commanded almost 14% of strategic Russian warheads and 63% of Russia's naval strategic nuclear forces? Source: In Russian, "Rear Admiral Andrei Volozhinsky, who graduated from the General Staff Academy this summer, became the commander of the 12th squadron ... The status of the 12th ... six "Delfins" carry 96 RSM-54 missiles with 384 nuclear warheads - this is almost 14% of the total number of all strategic Russian warheads and 63% of naval strategic nuclear forces." ([33])

Created by Spokoyni (talk). Self-nominated at 14:41, 13 September 2019 (UTC).

The Ten Thousand Things (2014 novel)

Moved to mainspace by Dharmadhyaksha (talk). Self-nominated at 12:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Dharmadhyaksha Long enough, moved to mainspace recently enough. Fact has been verified from the hook, is short enough, and is broadly interesting. No copyvio, and article is well cited. QPQ done. Just need a citation directly after the sentence in the article stating it won the Walter Scott Prize.

Ignacio Garriga

Garriga in July 2019
Garriga in July 2019
  • ... that Ignacio Garriga (pictured) is the only politician of African descent in the Spanish far-right political party Vox? [2]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: Janice Kavander
  • Comment: I'm not sure if this article satisfies the length requirements, excluding the citations and the infobox it is only 1,608 characters long (I mesured it on Microsoft Word)

Created by Inter&anthro (talk). Self-nominated at 19:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC).

References

  1. ^ Griffin, Andrew. "IPHONE 11 PRO: RELEASE DATE, PRICE AND DETAILS RELEASED ABOUT NEW PREMIUM APPLE HANDSET". The Independent.
  2. ^ Gonzalez, David (15 December 2018). "Así es Ignacio Garriga Vaz de Concicao, el polémico "Negro de Vox"" (in Spanish). El Cierre Digital. Retrieved 13 September 2019.

Articles created/expanded on September 14[edit]

Adele Zay

Improved to Good Article status by SusunW (talk) and Ipigott (talk). Nominated by SusunW (talk) at 20:13, 14 September 2019 (UTC).

The Homeric Gods

Created by Ffranc (talk). Self-nominated at 14:53, 14 September 2019 (UTC).

Felicity Smoak (Arrowverse)

  • Reviewed: QPQ does not apply, as first time nominator

Improved to Good Article status by Autumnking2012 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:02, 14 September 2019 (UTC).

Sean Morrison (footballer)

  • ... that footballer Sean Morrison was described as being "45 minutes from death" after undergoing emergency surgery? Source: The Express
    • ALT1:... that footballer Sean Morrison was described as being "45 minutes from death" after undergoing emergency surgery for a burst appendix? Source: Same as above
  • Reviewed: Pending
  • Comment: I've omitted the reason for surgery from the main hook to potentially increase intrigue. The ALT1 contains it if anyone thinks it's more appropriate.

Improved to Good Article status by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 10:45, 14 September 2019 (UTC).

  • @Kosack: Symbol question.svg (QPQ pending) New enough good article. The hook is cited and matched by the source. It's probably the promoter's decision to include the appendix part or not; it's basically the same hook. When the QPQ is done, this will be tick-able. Raymie (t • c) 16:47, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Girl on the Third Floor

  • ... that the horror film Girl on the Third Floor is an intriguing spin at toxic masculinity? Source: "What do you get when you cross an ex-wrestler with a dilapidated house that might be alive? You get an intriguing horror spin at toxic masculinity" ([37])
    • ALT1:... that the horror film Girl on the Third Floor is all about a bad man paying for his behavior? Source: "It’s all about a bad man paying for his behavior and, thusly, the actions that his misogynistic forbearers committed decades ago, and when that bad man is played by Phil Brooks, it becomes infinitely more interesting." ([38])

5x expanded by Jack Sebastian (talk). Self-nominated at 05:45, 14 September 2019 (UTC).

Signal Corps Band

  • Reviewed: Forthcoming

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 04:22, 14 September 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 15[edit]

The Life and Deeds of the Immortal Leader Karađorđe

Improved to Good Article status by 23 editor (talk). Self-nominated at 15:51, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

Shadrack Frimpong

Created by Enwebb (talk). Self-nominated at 14:34, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The hook is cited with a WP:RS. Symbol confirmed.svg
  • Interesting: Red XN - The hook is interesting. Symbol confirmed.svg

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Red XN - The nominator has more than five DYK reviews. The nominator has reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/The Ten Thousand Things (2014 novel). Symbol confirmed.svg
Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg An interesting little article about an enterprising young man. Great work! 23 editor (talk) 16:14, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Archer Avenue lines

  • ... that the Archer Avenue subway took 15 years to finish, was completed at a cost of nearly five times its original budget, and cut back to a fraction of its original length? Source: "New Subway Line Finally Rolling Through Queens". Newsday. December 11, 1988. p. 7
    • ALT1:... that the Archer Avenue subway was intended to provide subway access to residents of southeast Queens, New York City, but was truncated to a fraction of its original length? Source: Shapiro, Hal (August 16, 1972). "A groundbreaking... with an eye on the el". Long Island Press; Newsday 1988
    • ALT2:... that when it opened, the Archer Avenue subway was hailed as a catalyst in the redevelopment of the New York City neighborhood of Jamaica? Source: NY Daily News 1988
  • Reviewed: QPQ pending

Improved to Good Article status by Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 02:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

Women's Defence Relief Corps

  • Reviewed: to follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 07:59, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

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