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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

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Count of DYK Hooks
Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
April 10
August 19	1
August 21	1
August 26	1	1
September 1	1
September 4	1
September 7	1	1
September 9	1
September 13	2
September 20	3	1
September 21	1	1
September 22	2	1
September 23	3	2
September 24	1	1
September 25	1	1
September 26	1
September 27	3	2
September 28	3
September 29	1
September 30	2	1
October 1	5	4
October 2	5	1
October 3	1
October 4	3	2
October 5	3	1
October 6	7	4
October 7	3	3
October 8	4	2
October 9	6	5
October 10	8	8
October 11	6	3
October 12	7	5
October 13	7	5
October 14	11	11
October 15	11	7
October 16	8	3
October 17	8	5
October 18	7	4
October 19	10	4
October 20	10	3
October 21	6
October 22	3	1
October 23
Total	169	93
Last updated 00:06, 23 October 2020 UTC Current time is 00:09, 23 October 2020 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:

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To nominate an article

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.

For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.

I.	Create the nomination subpage. Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.
II.	Write the nomination. On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information. Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines. Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page. Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.	Post at Template talk:Did you know. In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination. At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}. Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.

How to review a nomination

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

• Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
• Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
• The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
• To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

  Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

  If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
• Save the page.

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Frequently asked questions

Backlogged?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

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If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Instructions for other editors

How to promote an accepted hook

• See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
• Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
• In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
• In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
• In the prep set...
  • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
  • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
  • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
• Back on DYK nomination page...
  • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
  • change |passed= to |passed=yes
  • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook

• Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
• In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
• Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
  • View the edit history for that page
  • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
  • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
• Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on August 19

Offending religious feelings (Poland)

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that, in Poland, offending religious feelings is punishable by two years in jail? Source: "Poland’s blasphemy law, Article 196 of the Penal Code, states that “anyone found guilty of offending religious feelings through public calumny of an object or place of worship is liable to a fine, restriction of liberty or a maximum two-year prison sentence.”" Freedom House

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Polish Underground and the Jews, 1939–1945

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 10:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC).

• Comment: Not reviewing the hook, but it seems a bit misleading. The hook creates the misleading impression that Polish law prohibits merely offending someone's religious feelings. In fact, the law prohibits calumny (i.e., the making of false and defamatory statements causing reputational harm) directed at religion. Cbl62 (talk) 04:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

• If you read the article, you would discover that not all of the incidents involve false statements about religion; in fact, many involve things that are not defamation by any strech of the imagination but simply things believers find offensive (such as rainbow halo on Madonna). "Offending religious feelings" or "insulting religious feelings" is the term used in reliable sources. (t · c) buidhe 04:40, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

• There is a separate law, Article 256, which forbids incitement to hatred based on religious belief. (t · c) buidhe 05:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

The language of the statute, as quoted in the article, limits the crime to offense "through public calumny of an object or place of worship". Cbl62 (talk) 05:07, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but in practice the law also punishes modifications / reproductions of objects that believers don't like, irreverent statements about the Bible and such, there is nothing misleading about the hook. (t · c) buidhe 05:27, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

IMO the hook grossly oversimplifies the statute, in an apparent attempt to make it appear ludicrous, but I will leave it up to the person conducting the review to make the final call. Cbl62 (talk) 02:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Maybe ALT0b would help: --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:23, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

... that, in Poland, extreme offending religious feelings is punishable by two years in jail?

I don't think that works. Whether these incidents are "extreme" or not is a value judgement not found in reliable sources. (t · c) buidhe 13:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

• Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, this is interesting and hooky, but I do kind of share some of the concerns of the previous drive-by commenter: in particular, does this article meet, or aspire to meet, DYK eligibility criterion 4a on neutral point of view? To start with, the translation of the law in question (the article's lede) is sourced from a site that is criticising this law, indeed from a document that concludes: "(blasphemy) prosecutions under Article 196 of the Penal Code represent undue restrictions on freedom of expression". The wiki Polish Penal Code article linked has an external link to this translation: "Whoever offends the religious feelings of other persons by outraging in public an object of religious worship or a place dedicated to the public celebration of religious rites, shall be subject to a fine, the penalty of restriction of liberty or the penalty of deprivation of liberty for up to 2 years." [1] "Outraging" is also the translation used by the UN here; (znieważając seems to be the Polish word in question.) If you look at the definition of "calumny" in wiktionary, Wikt:calumny, this is defined as (noun) (1) "A false accusation or charge brought to tarnish another's reputation or standing" (2) "Falsifications or misrepresentations intended to disparage or discredit another"; (verb) "To make false accusations or levy false charges against a person with the intent to tarnish that person's reputation or standing; to calumniate". As might be expected the attack article you use as your source is spinning the law before it even starts. Such articles may not be the best sources of statute law, you must know that, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, the translation used (1) elides the "victims" of the "crime", by vague reference to "religious feelings" rather than offence to "other persons"; (2) introduces a structural ambiguity through calumny of "an object" rather than "an object of religious worship", and (3) reduces "a place dedicated to the public celebration of religious rites", emphasising the public/communal spirit of such, and thus the lack of concern for the public/communal good of contravenors of such, to "place of worship" (?also now private, despite "publicznego"?); (?4?) both with "an object" and "place of worship", this "translation" could be seen as purposely geared to lead readers to thoughts of overreach, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:37, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I had a quick look, but couldn't immediately find anything - in the UK, while the church is in general a legitimate target for attack (from the left), (some) other religions of the book are not; it would be interesting to know whether this law has been used in relation to/to protect "minorities"/other beliefs in Poland (do you think the article should have "(Poland)" in the title)? This may be one way in which this article becomes a little more NPOV. Are there any others? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:22, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Finally, from me before I hear from you.., would it be possible to expand in the image caption upon why this might be regarded as "offensive" - indeed, why on earth the "LGBT" movement, or an artist so affiliated, chose to put some colourful stripes in the halo of an early mediaeval icon of all places to put them, why on earth would they chose that rather than say a box of shreddies that may be more readily to hand? (The article linked in the caption does not explain.) Where is the frisson? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:00, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• You're mistaken, rule 4a states "Articles must meet the neutral point of view policy." There is no requirement for hooks to do the same. Please see WP:BIASED when it comes to biased sources. News articles in English use similar translations with "offend",[2][3][4] The Cambridge book cited translates as follows:

  Th e provisions of Article 196 of the PPC are directed at anyone who ‘ o ff ends the religious feelings of other persons ’ , that is, who acts in a manner that is perceived as demeaning or off ensive to the object of religious worship or a place dedicated to the public celebration of religious rites. A particular type of behaviour is to be viewed as demeaning or off ensive based on objective criteria, following the moral standards of a particular religious community.

  And as I say above, "calumny" in English is misleading, because per that quote it does not require a false statement, just any action or statement that offends believers. (t · c) buidhe 18:24, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, where am I mistaken? Do I not question the NPOVness of the article, not of the hook? Re WP:Biased, to which you refer me, are you saying that such may be good sources for supporting information? I'm not denying that, I'm saying for statute law. For the law itself, it may not be. Would you be prepared, or be happy for me, to switch the translation and the reference to such in the lede to that per and eg the UN link provided above? Also, are you happy for me to put an X against this article on lack of article NPOV grounds? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

If the Freedom House translation is inaccurate or that the ones you cite are better, I would be happy to replace it, but you've not presented any evidence that it's the case. The bias of a source is not necessarily related to accuracy and there is no issue with citing a biased source in the lead of an article. (t · c) buidhe 18:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Have you yourself not just said that the translation you have used, that forms the lede, and is cited above, is "misleading"?... (In terms of (wiki)-pedagodical value here, should we not be trying to encourage good or at least neutral sourcing for such as laws; what is the best source for English translation of Polish law? It's a new field for me and you seem to be better placed language-wise, where should we be sourcing translations of Polish law?) Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 18:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I switched to the translation provided by European Court of Human Rights, which is probably more authoritative. (t · c) buidhe 19:26, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Great - though you're probably right to question that... in fact this avoids "outrage" so is probably at least as good as the others, and as that is the court the article says is hearing some of these cases, hopefully they've pored over the semantics of the legislation in question. Are you able to address the points about the image caption and maybe some balance in non-criticism/relation to other beliefs? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:37, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

1. For the purpose of the law, it does not matter why believers find it offensive, just that they do; further context is provided at the article linked in the caption. The caption already meets WP:CAPTION and adding more info is likely to impede the second criteria, being succinct.
2. WP:NPOV requires the balance of reliable sources, not the balance of opinions. The article already states that the law has not been found to contravene the Polish constitution or the European Convention of Human Rights. However, most reliable sources, either inside or outside of Poland, are critical of the law. The article should reflect that. The highest quality source I was able to find, the Cambridge one, states at the end: "Consequently, the necessary prerequisites of predictability and proportionality needed for any restriction of a fundamental human right [i.e. freedom of speech] to be legitimate are not met by the Polish criminal blasphemy clause." (t · c) buidhe 20:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: Y
• Neutral: N - n
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: someone is trying to have this article merged/deleted; like the nominator, I strongly oppose this, but presumably we need to wait for this to conclude before promoting; I have amended the article semi-considerably to try to address previously significant NPOV concerns; assuming there is no reverting of my edit, this is/should be otherwise good to go, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

- revert of reliably sourced additional material to reinforce the POV-pushing, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

: Changing no to a maybe as the nominator has attempted to address (some of) the points raised, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

What is POV-pushing? Please be specific. (t · c) buidhe 00:34, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I have no more time to spend on this since this is simply time wasted; of course someone else can override, but WP:DUCK or what; look at the exchange above for how difficult it is - "you are mistaken", erroneous citation of policy, so reluctant to move from sourcing/translation of legislation you yourself stated was misleading but helped shape the law one way (followed by a constitutionality section, a largely fail section, and a criticisms section); also, and on a somewhat different if semi-related note (and thanks for the WP:INVOLVED flag) do you really think there was nothing that could be rescued from the edit you reverted? Was the see also - hate speech, which references article 196 - so objectionable that another user's contribution had to be rejected? Does the image caption now better explain for those not already in the know what is going on? Why removal of contextual information on Catholicism in Poland that helps users not already in the know understand the background; there are articles on Ordo Iuris in Polish, French etc, wikis, may be an RS, but if you are so sure it is not - the article in question seemed pretty serious and sensible and at least as reliable as some of the other sources cited, if you wished to show a modicum of respect for another user's efforts, since this source was used to provide historical context in terms of prior similar legislation for Article 196 - presumably of relevance to this article - with your familiarity with the sources, you could have found alternative sources, or piped the legislation for much of it - or did you not like the conclusion from this mini-survey that "the provision has moved from penalizing blasphemy to protection of the right to respect for one's religion and beliefs", etc; as I say, someone else can overrule, but I'm not the first on this page to express their concerns, and they extend beyond hook content, to article content, and editing style; sorry to be so stentorian; (see also the article/dyk nom for profaning a monument), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 01:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

1. For "most revered Catholic icon", even if it's true, you would need to cite a more authoritative source than The Independent. Also, your expansions brought the caption to 8 lines, violating the requirement to be succinct.

This was a quote. Abbreviated to the point of incomprehension unless you already know, policy sounds good though, and it helps the slant, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

1. It's not clear to me what the population of Catholics in Poland has to do with the law; the source doesn't mention any connection. According to WP:OR, "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented."

Catholics, and Conservative Catholics to boot, sound like some kind of fringe group. Apparently lots of Catholics in Poland, which the link, the source, and the text helped communicate, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

1. Ordo Iuris is mostly known for right-wing culture warrioring[5][6] It is influential among certain circles in Poland but I cannot see any indication it is a reliable source. If you think it's reliable, WP:RSN would be the right place for the discussion.

I have done as suggested here, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

As I said this is not being used for their editorial but as a convenient summary of the preceding related legal provisions. If you wished, you could have found alternatives, if their quotes of the historic/legacy legislation are no good. It's the same point I was making before but I don't know where to turn. I provided pdf links for better translations. You could show similar willing. Presumably the content is relevant at least, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

1. Hate speech article is already linked in the article so it should not be linked in see also (MOS:SEEALSO). (t · c) buidhe 01:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Is it? That hate speech in Poland article? Where? Ah, did a search in the edit screen; lurking behind "Article 256". Could probably risk a see also with hate speech in Poland in its own right? Quack Quack Quack even more, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 02:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I added what the Cambridge source says about the Catholic aspect and about the history of the law. WP:DYKRULES requires that the article only cite reliable sources. Nor is the article expected to cover all aspects comprehensively; this is not GA review. As for Catholics, and Conservative Catholics to boot, sound like some kind of fringe group, I really have no idea where you got that idea. (t · c) buidhe 03:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

You have now, at least in part, addressed this point by adding contextual information to Catholicism being widespread in Poland, if not by also reinstating the link to the related article; I am not saying this needs to be GA quality; at the same time, that it does not need to be does not necessarily mean it should be (kept) as non-GA as possible; where are we with the renaming of the article to "(Poland)" or similar? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

• If you make significant changes, you cannot review the article, because you've become WP:INVOLVED. Also, these changes were made without regard to WP:RS and in my opinion did not improve NPOV. (t · c) buidhe 00:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

  I do wonder if the article title needs disambiguation; many countries have similar laws, after all. When I clicked the link, I fully expected an article about the concept generally, not a legality specific to one country. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:21, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

  Vanamonde93, thanks for your comment. Now moved to Offending religious feelings (Poland). (t · c) buidhe 20:23, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

  Much appreciated. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:27, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• I've updated this template page to reflect the article move; the nomination page itself should not be moved. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

• Any updates to this? There hasn't been any progress in this page in several weeks now. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:32, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - ?
• Neutral: N - ?
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - ?
• Interesting: N - ?
• Other problems: N - ?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Oh dear. This is one of those nom templates where a lot of people come in and spend so much time arguing the toss that the nom doesn't get anywhere, and the resultant confusion holds up progress. As I understand it, there are three basic issues: (1) ALT0 (the only ALT as I write this) is misleading. According to the source, offending religious feelings in Poland is not punishable by jail. It is potentially punishable in three ways - a fine; restriction of liberty (whatever that may involve?); a prison sentence. (2) One or more editors have shown (at some length) a strong doubt about the neutrality of the article; (3) Some editors have voiced strong doubt about either quality of sources or interpretation of sources. It is my own view that ALT0 is misleading, but that problem could be solved with an alternative ALT. The real problem here is the strong controversy about neutrality and sources. I do believe that the article is lacking in a clear section dedicated to recorded rebuttals of complaints about the law. That would probably balance up (at least superficially) the most obvious neutrality issues. I don't believe, however, that we are ever going to resolve the argument about interpretation of the sources, and I think that that is going to kill this nom. If the above editors have responded so strongly in this way, then so may readers of the main page. That puts the article at risk of damage, and all that sort of thing does not benefit Wikipedia or the stability of useful information carried within this article. So I am with a heavy heart requesting the closure of this nomination. Buidhe, if you don't agree with this, fair enough. But please consider the stability of the article. If we close this nom, and if you can then be left in peace to take your time over gradually strengthening the sources and their clear interpretation, you may end up with something really strong and good. Storye book (talk) 15:57, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Storye book:
  1. The article is stable. It has not been edited since 23 September 2020‎ — almost a month.[7]
  2. It is worth noting that one of the editors objecting to the article, Zezen, was indeffed as a WP:NOTHERE editor. Also, the source that Maculosae tegmine lyncis was pushing to be included was discussed at the reliable sources noticeboard where three uninvolved users argued that the source was unreliable. One of them described Ordo Iuris as "an extremist organization not reliable for the time of day".
  3. The article does not have a criticism section. It does have a section on "Repeal attempts" which have not been successful to date. The sources don't provide the reasons why the repeal efforts didn't succeed (presumably there were not enough votes in favor). Nor was I able to find any one who responded to the opinions of Mieszkowski and Biedron in favor of the law. The section lists international human rights organizations which have opposed the law, but, I could not find any in favor.
  4. The hook is accurate. It states that the crime of offending religious feelings is punishable with a 2 year prison sentence. This is provided for in the law. I don't see an issue since "jail" is a synonym for prison but if necessary this could be changed to "punishable by two years imprisonment". (t · c) buidhe 17:20, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• OK Buidhe, I'll have another look at it, in the light of the information that you have given. This may take some time. Storye book (talk) 17:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Update. I have checked the dictionary meaning of "punishable" and it means that anyone who commits the particular crime IS punished in a particular way. I cannot find an instance of a dictionary saying that "punishable" by jail means the miscreant could be punished in various ways including that way. To put it another way, ALT0 means that anyone who offends religious feelings in Poland will be punished by imprisonment. The source does not support that fact; the source says that the miscreant may be punished by various methods including possible imprisonment. Could we perhaps have an adjusted ALT with something like "may be punishable by two years in jail"? The word, "jail" is not a problem. (I still have to check through all the rest of the sources in the article, regarding the other matter). Storye book (talk) 09:54, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• I don't think that is correct. Several RS dictionaries define the term as "liable to punishment" or equivalent, not that it is necessarily used.[8][9][10][11] For an example, this source states that the entire UK had a permanent moratorium on capital punishment after 1973, but "However, several crimes, including treason, remained punishable by death in Great Britain until 1998."[12] (emph added) So it is punishable if the law provides for it, even if not used in practice. (t · c) buidhe 13:54, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• As I understand it, when the English word "liable" is used in a legal sense, that means "legally responsible", where as in non-legal, casual terms, "liable" means "likely", as in "this person is liable to be late for work" which means they are likely to be late for work, but that will not always be the case. I think that the problem here, is that a fair proportion of readers will understand the hook my way, and another fair proportion may understand it your way. That makes the hook ambiguous. Bearing in mind the seriousness of the statement about the laws of Poland, I think that we need to make sure that all readers will understand exactly what the law is on that matter. We don't need to make the hook longer - just clearer for all readers. Storye book (talk) 16:10, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• On re-reading all of the above discussion, and the article, I think that the best that we can do for the article's hopes for DYK and for fairness to the creator is to ask for a new review. I wish you all the best, Buidhe. Storye book (talk) 12:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Buidhe, Storye book, can this potential hook ambiguity be solved by replacing "is punishable" in the original hook with "can be punished"? BlueMoonset (talk) 15:14, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• I don't object to that (t · c) buidhe 15:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• I agree to it too. Thank you, BlueMoonset and Buidhe. I am writing the following ALT having stepped down as a reviewer.
• ALT1: ... that, in Poland, offending religious feelings can be punished by two years in jail?
• I'm sorry that I cannot help further with the sources issue. Storye book (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 21

Yeshivas in World War II

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• Article history )

• ... that the Soviet government sent some students of yeshivas in World War II to do forced labor in Russia's Komi Republic? (Eliach, Rabbi Dov Tales of Devotion (pp. 50-51) "The replacement soldiers who arrived ordered us onto freight boats that took us to the Komi Sasar Republic ... We were taken to Zeschart, a small village ... We were sent to forced labor the very next day ..."

• ALT1: ... that some of the students of yeshivas in World War II were exiled to labor camps in the remote Komi Republic? (Eliach, Rabbi Dov Tales of Devotion (p. 366) "These sailed up the river, bringing us to our destination on the banks of Vychegda River - the autonomous republic of Komi, which was part of the Soviet Union ... In the end we weren't taken to Siberia, but to a forsaken region to its northwest called Komi-Koli, which is inhabited by a small, impoverished population.")
• Reviewed: First nomination

Created by Charlie Smith FDTB (talk). Self-nominated at 22:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - Unreliable sources such as Jewishgen are used.
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - I am not convinced that "Tales of Devotion" is a WP:RS. (It is reliable for that Eliach said so, but without corroboration may not be reliable for a factual claim).
• Interesting: Y

QPQ: None required.

Overall: This is a good start, but needs some work. (Also, the title does not match the topic—it does not discuss the situation of yeshivas outside Europe during World War II.) (t · c) buidhe 18:20, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for reviewing my DYK nomination. At Template:Did you know nominations/Yeshivas in World War II, you said that the book, Tales of Devotion, may not be a reliable source. What prompted you to come to that conclusion? Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 00:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Charlie Smith FDTB, there is no presumption that sources are reliable. I take the perspective that memoirs are not generally reliable, as an individual person may be mistaken or misremember, as well as the possibility of occasional hoaxes. If cited at all, it should be attributed as the claims of so-and-so (unless you can find a reliable secondary source which corroborates the information).

The article also has other issues: some WP:editorializing ("warmly welcomed", "famous", "infamous"), non-cited information, and other sources which are questionable (dead link to "project witness" which, despite its claims, does not appear to be referenced in actual Holocaust research[13]). (t · c) buidhe 01:17, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your feedback on the WP:editorializing problems. I intend to fix them as soon as possible, if they're not fixed yet. It may take some time though, as I'm in school and have less time for editing. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 18:26, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Tales of Devotion is not a single memoir. Rather it's composed of conversations that Rabbi Dov Eliach had students in pre-World War II yeshivas. Among the interviewees were two students who were sent to do hard labor in the Komi Republic. As for the Project Witness source, it was a webinar about yeshivas in World War II, likely recorded, although the link may no longer exist.Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 18:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Buidhe, I removed the words "infamous" and "warmly welcomed", although I think the saying that the yeshivas were "famous" is a factual statement. Regarding the non-cited information, were you referring to anything specific? I will try to replace the Projcet Witness reference with more reliable sources. Thank you. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 20:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

The article still uses unreliable sources such as JewishGen, which are self-published and/or user-generated. Whereas, there are reliable sources that cover the subject:[14][15] (t · c) buidhe 22:13, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Charlie Smith FDTB Hi any progress on this? Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 10:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I replaced JewishGen references. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 21:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - ?
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I began this review mainly to see where we are at with this DYK nomination. As far as I can see, all issues raised about sources and wording appear to have been resolved, apart from the sticking point of the validity of the Tales of Devotion as a reliable source. I believe that this can be resolved as suggested above: "it should be attributed as the claims of so-and-so". So please could you check through all the Tales of Devotion citations within the text, and make sure that each relevant bit of text includes something like "Rabbi Dov Eliach says that ..." Once this is done, I believe this nom will be good to go. Note: I have copyedited the article for language style, but have not changed content, and that copyedit does not affect the DYK. Storye book (talk) 20:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Charlie Smith FDTB: Please see the above review? Thanks. Storye book (talk) 10:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 1

Marian Anderson

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• Article history )

Marian Anderson

• ... that African-American contralto Marian Anderson (pictured) was denied permission by the Daughters of the American Revolution to sing at Constitution Hall in 1939, causing thousands of its members to resign? In 1939, the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) denied permission to Anderson for a concert on April 9 at Constitution Hall under a "white performers-only" policy in effect at the time. . . . As a result of the ensuing furor, thousands of DAR members, including First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, resigned from the organization.
  • ALT1:... that African-American contralto Marian Anderson (pictured) was a significant figure in the American civil rights movement, singing for benefit concerts at the NAACP and at the 1963 March on Washington? She was active in supporting the civil rights movement during the 1960s, giving benefit concerts for the Congress of Racial Equality, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the America-Israel Cultural Foundation. In 1963, she sang at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.

• Reviewed: Mary Clarke (letter writer)

Improved to Good Article status by Ahsoka Dillard (talk). Self-nominated at 17:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC).

Substantial GA on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. - The iconic image is licensed and almost must. I learned a lot reading! I knew that she was the first African-American at the Met, but didn't know it was her only role there. I like the original hook a bit better, but perhaps only because I'd have to look up NAACP ;) - I'd probably say that Sibelius dedicated a piece to her. Finland seems not regarded as Europe then? I'd say "recital tour" instead of "singing tour". Do know what she sang for her first in Carnegie Hall? ... or anything more detailed about repertoire? Just curious, having written some of Jessye Norman. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

• The QPQ is not a full review, but as the nominator has less than 5 DYK credits, no QPQ is necessary. Yoninah (talk) 20:21, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote ALT0 to an image slot, but the hook is over 200 char. We see she's African-American. Can we delete that?
• There is also close paraphrasing from the sources:
• Source: In the late 1930's, she gave about 70 recitals a year in the United States. But her fame did not entirely eradicate the prejudice she confronted as a young black singer touring the United States.
• Article: In the late 1930s, Anderson gave about 70 recitals a year in the United States. Although by then quite famous, her stature did not completely end the prejudice she confronted as a young black singer touring the United States.
• Source: In 1980, the United States Treasury Department coined a half-ounce gold commemorative medal with her likeness, and in 1984 she was the first recipient of the Eleanor Roosevelt Human Rights Award of the City of New York.
• Article: In 1980, the United States Treasury Department coined a half-ounce gold commemorative medal with her likeness, and in 1984 she was the first recipient of the Eleanor Roosevelt Human Rights Award of the City of New York.
• And why is there so much copying from the Western Connecticut State University site? Yoninah (talk) 20:41, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, Could you verify when the Western Connecticut State University site page was written and published? Is it possible that WCSU copied from Wikipedia? When you look at the citations for those sections, they do not cite the WCSU copy as the source. Please let me know. Ahsoka Dillard (talk) 20:59, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• I do not know how to check that. The website is copyright 2018. Yoninah (talk) 21:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• I think that the entire university website was certainly present in 2018. From the wayback machine, the Marian Anderson History Page was captured on June 22. I've been trying to search the page for when the fundraising campaign began, but to no avail. I began revising the article in July to be considered for GA status. As a trained historian, I would not have used this page as a source because I understand the 5 Tenets of Wikipedia and went through a 10-week Scholars and Scientist course through WikiEdu this past spring. Please feel free to review my article history and to confirm that the sources within Wikipedia are correct. I suspect that WCSU copied from Wikipedia. Ahsoka Dillard (talk) 21:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah and Ahsoka Dillard, I did note on the GAC review that two websites had copied the Wikipedia article verbatim, and that only one bothered to acknowledge it. I should have left urls in the review, but I didn't - my error. WCSU specifically credited their entire biographical text to Wikipedia. I thought it was odd that, given their naming their school for the performing arts after her, that they would not dig into their own records and write an original bio of her contributions. That declaration seems to have been removed, as I see nothing on the WCSU page that credits Wikipedia. Without urls, I can't recall the other website I noticed. — Maile (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, Ahsoka Dillard, Gerda Arendt: Thanks to Alanna the Brave, I can at least account for some verbatim copying from Wikipedia to other sites, other than WCSU: diff. She was unable to help with the WCSU issue, but in my leaky memory, I'm pretty sure I saw that Wikipedia attribution somewhere on their site. But not now. So, how do we resolve this issue? — Maile (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Maile66: I think you rewrite the phrases that are coming up as close paraphrasing so there will be no doubts. Yoninah (talk) 17:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• Ahsoka Dillard, as the nominator, can you accommodate that suggestion? — Maile (talk) 17:49, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah and Maile66, yes! I will get those phrases rewritten. Will take a closer look to see if there are more. Ping you back, later.Ahsoka Dillard (talk) 17:10, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Ahsoka Dillard: Have the concerns been addressed now? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, Maile66 and Narutolovehinata5, the above close paraphrased issues have been adjusted. See article history. Let me know if it is sufficient. Thank you. Ahsoka Dillard (talk) 04:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Ahsoka Dillard: Please see this Earwig's report highlighting the excessive close paraphrasing that remains. Yoninah (talk) 21:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  (watching:) I don't see why Wikipedia's text has to be changed, just because others copied it which is permitted. (And then when it's changed, another site copies that version, and we need to change again, or what?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  • If that is happening, that as soon as we update the text, the other website copies it, how do we verify that? How do we calculate when the other website uploads the new text? Yoninah (talk) 21:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

    I'm not deeply into this, but remember Jessye Norman: hard work to rephrase what was similar to another site, and thinking all the time that the other site probably took it from us ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, there seems to be a great deal of close paraphrasing, if not copyvio, still remaining in the article of reliable sites that clearly published before we did. I am very surprised that it was not identified in the GA review. Maile, I went through the top six sites identified by Earwig, and while it's clear that WCSU copied from Wikipedia, the article is too close to the New York Times obituary in the "70 recitals" and Eleanor Roosevelt Award material, and the second paragraph in the "1939 Lincoln Memorial Concert" section is mostly copied from the Washington Spark source (none of the material was in the article the day prior to the Spark publication). The BlackPast material doesn't seem to be an issue (the 57.6 score was 29.6 when comparing BlackPast to the article as it stood the day before that source was published, and the similarities then and now look to be names of organizations and the like), UPenn appears to be standard names/phrases/sources, and PBS appears to be based on long quotes. When I realized that two of the top six Earwig reports were actual problems, I stopped at that point, since the article needs going over by someone who is particularly skilled at identifying close paraphrasing/copyvio issues. If Nikkimaria feels it's worth her time, it would be great if she could check, but if she'd rather wait until the issues I've identified are dealt with, I can understand. Even though the GA review was passed seven weeks ago, perhaps it should be reopened to address these issues; as it stands right now, it does not meet the GA criteria. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Ahem. As mentioned above, I did indeed miss the copyvio from WCSU, or somehow in that review saw something that made me believe they had copied Wikipedia. However, please see what I mentioned above, that Alanna the Brave, can at least account for some verbatim copying from Wikipedia to other sites, other than WCSU: diff. Unless something else has come up since she posted and ran a copyvio of her own, it's only the WCSU site that is copied. But as I also mentioned above, somehow in my GA review, I remember seeing a notation that they also copied from Wikipedia. But that's neither here nor there now, so ... we still deal with the other. If something else has cropped up, it was at least after Alanna the Brave did her run through. — Maile (talk) 21:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Maile, it is clear, at least to me, that the WCSU copied Wikipedia without attribution: this is a page set up there for a current campaign to raise money for a Marian Anderson institute or department or somesuch, and hasn't been around nearly long enough as compared to the Wikipedia article. I'm sure there are other sites out there that have copied Wikipedia as well. My point is that there are at least two sites where the material existed prior to the information's introduction to the Wikipedia article, and that needs to be dealt with. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Well, at least we agree on WCSU - I feel better about that one, now. But what other two sites are you talking about? Of the two Alanna the Brave linked, I think one of them actually attributed Wikipedia as their source, and the other one was determined by the dates she saw to have copied from Wikipedia. — Maile (talk)

• Maile, I mentioned them in my post starting this thread: the New York Times obituary (source 1) and the Washington Spark article (source 27). They're the second and sixth entries on Earwig. As noted, I stopped after finding these, since it was clear that the article here had issues. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Ahsoka Dillard, Yoninah, Alanna the Brave, Gerda Arendt - I guess all I can do here is say I messed up on the GAC review, and apologize. Hopefully, one or more persons here can help fix this. It's been a long day other than Wikipedia, and I'm already worn out. No more today, please. — Maile (talk) 01:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 4

Suffix automaton

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Suffix automaton of abbcbc

• ... that Weiner's 1973 suffix tree construction algorithm while building suffix tree of the string $S$ constructs suffix automaton of the reversed string ${\textstyle S^{R}}$ as an auxiliary structure? (pictured)
  • ALT1: ... that Weiner's 1973 suffix tree construction algorithm constructs suffix automaton of the reversed string as an auxiliary structure? (pictured)
  • ALT2: ... that suffix automaton (pictured) appeared as an auxiliary structure in 1973 suffix tree scholarly article, 14 years before it was discovered and introduced to scientific community as an independent concept?

5x expanded by Adamant.pwn (talk). Self-nominated at 04:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC).

• Hi, before I do a review, could you simplify the hook please? You have the word suffix three times, and I don't really understand it because there doesn't seem to be a verb. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:01, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, Yoninah! I changed it a bit, hope it's clearer now. The most interesting part here is that Weiner's algorithm is of 1973, but suffix automaton was formally introduced as an independent concept only in 1987. But I'm not sure how to include this part without stepping in too much of verbosity. The word suffix is a part of "suffix tree" and "suffix automaton" titles, it stands for suffix as for the last part of arbitrary string in computer science. adamant.pwn — contrib/talk 13:14, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, but please do not overwrite hooks. It makes it impossible for other editors and administrators to follow the discussion. I have restored the thread. Yoninah (talk) 13:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Adamant.pwn: The alt hook is still too technical and the lead of your article is very difficult to read for someone who is not familiar with this subject. Could you find a hook angle that, while mentioning a technical term, would still appeal to a broad readership and make readers want to click on the article? Yoninah (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, I hope new version is more appealing to a broad audience, what do you think? If it's still too technical, I would be grateful if you point on some specific areas for improvement. adamant.pwn — contrib/talk 16:30, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Adamant.pwn: thank you. In the hook and the article, you are neglecting to use the definite article ("the") and the indefinite article ("a") before nouns, which makes it hard to read. Please have someone edit your article with an eye to English grammar. I'm wondering if you can work the words computer science into your hook? Like:
• ALT2a: ... that a suffix automaton, a string of symbols used in computer science, appeared as an auxiliary structure in a 1973 scholarly article 14 years before it was discovered to be an independent concept? Yoninah (talk) 16:52, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Sorry for (in)definite article thing, my native language does not have them, so I often forget about them... I left a request on WP:GOCER, but it might take time to be processed. I'll try to ask some friends who are more familiar with this stuff as well. Meanwhile, I've updated the hook with your recommendations.
• ALT3: ... that a suffix automaton (pictured), a data structure used in computer science, appeared as an auxiliary structure in a 1973 scholarly article 14 years before it was discovered as an independent concept? Source: "A clean version of Weiner's linear-time compact-subword-tree construction simultaneously constructs the smallest deterministic finite automaton recognizing the reverse subwords." (Efficient and Elegant Subword-Tree Construction )
• adamant.pwn — contrib/talk 17:49, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• Article has been listed at WP:GOCE, thank you. Yoninah (talk) 13:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed: Y
• Used in article: N - no
• Clear at 100px: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: This review is in respect of the new image (which appears in the article), and ALT3 which was contributed by the creator. ALT3 is a bit long, but I accept that it cannot be shortened without sacrificing clarity for the general reader. The article had been expanded enough and recently enough on 4 September when the nom was listed. I have had to take all sources AGF whether inline or not because I am not qualified to do otherwise, however I have no reason to mistrust this editor. GOCE completed the copyediting on 7 October (confirmed on Adamant's talkpage). No QPQ is required. The only remaining issues are the DYK image and missing definite/indefinite articles in the text. (1) The DYK image does not appear in the text; please add it to the article OR add the article image here. (2) Examples of missing articles include "prefix trees are special kind of deterministic finite automata" and "Suffix trie" of the word {\displaystyle S}S is a prefix tree recognizing set of its suffixes". I accept that we need a computer scientist to check for missing articles, because (for all I know) in some cases the technical terms may require the absence of articles. So could somebody please call for a computer scientist to copyedit for missing articles only? When those issues are resolved, this nomination should be good to go. Note: I have struck out all previous ALTs to prevent confusion. Storye book (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review! As the hook doesn't mention suffix trees anymore, I think we may go with the following image instead. I will try to ask someone to copyedit articles and update here afterwards. adamant.pwn — contrib/talk 01:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Suffix automaton of abbcbc

• Thank you, @Adamant.pwn:. We now have an image which appears both in the article and with the DYK. Having thought about it, I now have a worry about the clarity of the image. I can hardly see it at DYK-size on my pc monitor, although it is clear at full size. Are you able to re-draw it with thick black lines, using e.g. Gimp or photoshop? I can do it for you, but I am not a computer scientist, so it would be best if you had full control over it. I look forward to seeing the missing words added to the text. (@Yoninah: please could you now remove the image at the top of the template? Thanks.) Storye book (talk) 10:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Storye book: I copied the bottom image to the top. Yoninah (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, @Yoninah:. All that remains now is making the DYK image clearer (with thick black lines?) and the matter of the missing definite/indefinite articles ("the", "a", etc.). Storye book (talk) 12:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 9

Baburao Shedmake

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• ... that during Indian Rebellion of 1857, Baburao Shedmake fought multiple battles against the British within a short period of seven months before being captured and hanged to death? Source: Bhukya pp. 298-300 , Bhagat (2019)

Created by Shivashree (talk). Self-nominated at 14:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC).

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2020 London Marathon

• Article is new, long enough and neutral. It is sourced with inline citations. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports no significant text similarities. The hook is well-formatted, neutral and interesting. Its length is within limit. Its fact is cited inline. QPQ was done. Good to go. CeeGee 12:15, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hook was pulled from Queue. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 11:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Based on one of the sources, Gatoclass has raised an objection on word "won" rightly stating that some of the battles were indecisive. I am removing the word "won" from hook, rest remains the same. I hope that is good enough.

• ALT: ... that during Indian Rebellion of 1857, Baburao Shedmake fought multiple battles against the British within a short period of seven months before being captured and hanged to death?

GD (talk) 11:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• ..also removed honorific from hook. GD (talk) 18:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

  • I would be glad to review the alt to get this nomination moving, but the lead still says that "he fought and won multiple battles against the British". SL93 (talk) 22:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
    • Check now please. GD (talk) 11:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
      • I checked it again and it still said that, so I removed "and won" from the lead. This is ready. SL93 (talk) 16:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
        • I noticed some things after a double check. The article does say "The Gonds won this battle" and "Shedmake's troops won both of these battles". I also see that the unreliable source is still being used. It was also raised on the RSN noticeboard that this reference appears to be unreliable. SL93 (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• @CeeGee, Gatoclass, and SL93: It appears that the nominator hasn't edited since September 25th. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Tagging for closure. The editor hasn't been online and the article uses two unreliable sources extensively still. SL93 (talk) 02:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I've left the nom a talk page message, maybe we can wait a few more days before closing this. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 13

Jan de Vries (philologist)

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• Article history )

Photograph of Jan de Vries, January 1932

• ... that Altgermanische Religionsgeschichte (1956-1957) by Jan de Vries is still considered the definitive work on Germanic and Old Norse religion? Source: Price, Neil (2019). The Viking Way: Magic and Mind in Late Iron Age Scandinavia. Oxbow Books. p. 158. ISBN 1842172603.; Arvidsson, Stefan (2017). Draksjukan: Mytiska fantasier hos Tolkien, Wagner och de Vries (in Swedish). Nordic Academic Press. p. 77. ISBN 9189116933.

Improved to Good Article status by Krakkos (talk). Self-nominated at 15:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

• This was listed as a Good Article on September 13, over five weeks prior to it being nominated. Nominations must occur within seven days, and this is over a month beyond that deadline. Regrettably, it is not eligible for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Raissa Calza

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• ... that actress and dancer Raissa Gourevitch moved to Italy after divorcing Giorgio de Chirico and became an archaeological authority on Roman statuary? Source: "In the year 1950, Raissa, universally known as the "Signora Calza" (so, in italian, she is also cited in most scientific papers in foreign languages), had an authoratiative reputation in the study or Roman art" Da Ostia a Roma e Oltre: Raissa Calza e la Fotografia source for De Chirico marriage
  • ALT1:... that Raissa Gourevitch married painter Giorgio de Chirico after he saw her playing Pierrot in his brother's play The Death of Niobe? Source: "Raissa, wearing a Pierrot costume was portrayed by the Bragaglia brothers, most probably during this performance. Raissa and De Chirico got married in Paris after some time." source
    • ALT2:... that actress and dancer Raissa Gourevitch performed surrealist plays before moving to Italy, where she helped excavate Roman Ostia Antica and became an archaeological authority on Roman statuary? Source: "In the year 1950, Raissa, universally known as the "Signora Calza" (so, in italian, she is also cited in most scientific papers in foreign languages), had an authoratiative reputation in the study or Roman art" Da Ostia a Roma e Oltre: Raissa Calza e la Fotografia surrealist performance source

Created by Wingedserif (talk). Self-nominated at 20:15, 14 September 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Please link and bold the subject of the hook, and use the article title. "Ukrainian" in the infobox needs to be disambiguated. I am AGF that the two sources provided here are reliable. I find ALT0 more interesting. Corachow (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

• Just realised the subject was known as Raissa Gourevitch during the events in the hook so that's fine; Infobox had been disambiguated. Corachow (talk) 16:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this woman's biography, but focusing on her marriages and divorces in the hooks is not something that the WP:Women in Red project encourages, nor should we. Could you provide a hook that focuses on her achievements? It's particularly interesting that she moved from dance to archaeology. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:50, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• I have also added a few "citation needed" tags to facts in the article. Yoninah (talk) 20:52, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• OK, I have altered the hooks accordingly. Wingedserif (talk) 22:59, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Wingedserif: please do not overwrite the original hooks; it makes it impossible for reviewers and promoters to follow the discussion. Yoninah (talk) 23:06, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Wingedserif: thank you. The new alt is quite wordy and full of information, which doesn't give the reader much reason to click on the bolded link to learn more. Could it be condensed to the salient points, like:
• ALT3: ... that actress and dancer Raissa Gourevitch performed in surrealist plays before becoming an archaeological authority on Roman statuary?
• Also, please note the "citation needed" tags in the article. Yoninah (talk) 14:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah:, I have removed the tags from the article, added the missing citations (from Italian WP) and added a link to Italian WP in the External links section. Time for an update to the review @Corachow:? Storye book (talk) 15:44, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 20

Lion Attacking a Dromedary

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

"Lion Attacking a Dromedary"

• ... that the Carnegie Museum of Natural History purchased Lion Attacking a Dromedary (pictured) in 1898 for $50? Source: "The museum had plans to discard it before selling it to Carnegie Museums in 1898 for $50." https://carnegiemuseums.org/magazine-archive/2016/winter/article-596.html
  • ALT1:... that the male depicted in Lion Attacking a Dromedary (pictured) is a pastiche of five North African cultures? Source: "The male figure, the so-called ‘Arab’ who is riding on the dromedary, is also somewhat imaginary. We’ve looked at his costume, and it is derived from five different North African cultures." https://triblive.com/aande/museums/carnegie-museum-hiding-famous-lion-attacking-a-dromedary-diorama-from-view/?fbclid=IwAR2GBFoQ7t-ELSgGX1rwt_WPaUCRJ5KvFKxZPiw7zGBXR6LdMVY8Qszprt8
  • ALT2:... that "Lion Attacking a Dromedary" (pictured) was removed from display by the Carnegie Museum of Natural History due to its lack of accuracy?Source: "This diorama is a marvelous work of art, but it’s not an accurate portrayal of much of anything." https://triblive.com/aande/museums/carnegie-museum-hiding-famous-lion-attacking-a-dromedary-diorama-from-view/?fbclid=IwAR2GBFoQ7t-ELSgGX1rwt_WPaUCRJ5KvFKxZPiw7zGBXR6LdMVY8Qszprt8
  • ALT3:... that Lion Attacking a Dromedary (pictured) was removed from display by the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in response to the Black Lives Matter movement?Source: "Stephen Tonsor, the Daniel G. and Carole L. Kamin interim director of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, said the reason for the diorama being removed from view intersects with recent events and demonstrations related to systematic racism and the police killings of Black people." https://triblive.com/aande/museums/carnegie-museum-hiding-famous-lion-attacking-a-dromedary-diorama-from-view/?fbclid=IwAR2GBFoQ7t-ELSgGX1rwt_WPaUCRJ5KvFKxZPiw7zGBXR6LdMVY8Qszprt8

• QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Santa Fe Freight Building (Fort Worth, Texas)

Created by Guerillero (talk). Self-nominated at 02:16, 20 September 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: Y
• Interesting: Y
• Other problems: Y

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed: Y
• Used in article: Y
• Clear at 100px: N - I would prefer excluding the pic since it is not very discernable at 100px (it is a bit difficult to distinguish the subject from the background at that size)

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough and long enough, text OK and seems well-sourced and free of plagiarism (Earwig is at 20% but that's mostly because of proper nouns etc). All hooks are OK and they are cited and interesting (I would prefer ALT1 or ALT3). I took the liberty of correcting a typing error in ALT0 by changing "1989" to "1898". Regarding ALT1, I would suggest changing "male" to "man" since the former could refer to one of the animals rather than the human. QPQ done. I don't like the pic at 100px as stated above, but everything else seems good to go. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this. The source for ALT3 doesn't mention anything about the Black Lives Matter movement, but to demonstrations (which were held by numerous groups). Please fix that fact/source in the article. If this is running without the image, I find it far more hooky that human remains were found inside the plastic diorama. Yoninah (talk) 12:24, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I see "intersects with recent events and demonstrations related to systematic racism and the police killings of Black people" being a fairly direct statement about the George Floyd protests which are part of the Black Lives Matter Movement --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 01:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

• But there are many groups involved in these protests. And the source doesn't mention Black Lives Matter. Yoninah (talk) 01:42, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Would you be okay with saying the George Floyd protests? --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 03:49, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Guerillero: well, if you could provide another source that explicitly links the decision to either Black Lives Matter or the George Floyd protests, then yes. The way it is, the source you're using only credits the decision to protests against police brutality in the United States. Yoninah (talk) 13:42, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Three Warfares

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that "three warfares" is a Chinese Communist Party doctrine which involves using public opinion (or media) warfare, psychological warfare and legal warfare?

Created/expanded by ArvindPalaskar (talk), DiplomatTesterMan (talk), Georgethedragonslayer (talk). Nominated by ArvindPalaskar (talk) at 16:40, 20 September 2020 (UTC).

• I formatted this nomination template and also moved the page to Three warfares, as it is not some official policy that needs capitalization. I notice in the article that you are occasionally capitalizing other kinds of "warfare" and suggest that you lowercase it. Additionally, the hook repeats the word "warfare" four times. Surely DiplomatTesterMan can help you write a better hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• Let me try... DTM (talk) 11:59, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: Y
• Neutral: N - The presentation seems to only present the views of non-Chinese parties such as Western military analysts and so lacks balance. Characterising China's use of the law and media as "warfare" seems tendentious. Compare, for example, soft power.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: None required.

Overall: We could use more Chinese input to this. For example, what is the literal meaning of the phrase (three kinds (of) war law?). Google suggests "three tactics" as a translation which seems to be better English. What is the current Chinese view and how does it fit into their overall geopolitical strategy? Andrew🐉(talk) 17:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Noted. DTM (talk) 05:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Andrew The article is a warfare doctrine and strategy. There will be strong opposing views. You can't defend warfare strategies all the time.

Google suggests "three tactics". I don't think we are going by google's view since academics and nearly all articles I have come across use "warfare". I stumbled across this myself too and clarified the usage of warfare. Better English just doesn't work here. DTM (talk) 05:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

That said, I will work on the points raised. DTM (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Lastly, you wrote Characterising China's use of the law and media as "warfare" seems tendentious.. Did you even read the article, even a bit? DTM (talk) 05:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yes, I read the article and I have just taken another look. Let's start with the lead:

1. The lead gives the phrase in Simplified Chinese characters and pinyin but does not provide a literal translation. As this is the English language Wikipedia, our readership cannot be expect to read Chinese.
2. The lead also styles this as the 3Ws but I'm not sure that this is a standard abbreviation
3. The lead does not say what the three different components are
4. The lead references the amended Regulations on the Political Work of the People’s Liberation Army (2003) but doesn't provide much context. The PLA has lots of rules and regulations which are regularly revised.([16]) Why are we cherry-picking this particular detail from them and emphasising it? Is it still current?
5. The lead then gives the opinions of a couple of think-tanks. Are these impartial or do they represent the strategic interests of their respective nations -- Australia and USA?
6. When the lead concludes by saying that "is a strategic option that is underway all the time", this suggests a state of cold war in which China's statements are not to be taken at face value and in good faith, but as aggressive and devious. This seems to be an expression of Anti-Chinese sentiment.
7. If we read about psychological warfare, we find that most great powers do this sort of thing, going back centuries. Is the Chinese doctrine anything special or is it just standard military thinking? Is this not just the latest form of words expressing the idea that it's smart to dominate without fighting -- an idea that goes back to Sun Tsu?

Now this is just my take on the topic but, as a reviewer, I am supposed to challenge nominations with respect to core policy such as WP:NPOV. As the Chinese tend to react hotly to suggestions that they are bad people, we should be careful before we go splashing this onto the front page. As Wikipedia is banned in China, I don't suppose that we're going to get much help from inside the country but perhaps some editor such as User:Deryck Chan can help?

Andrew🐉(talk) 11:09, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay thanks Andrew and I've delved into this and checked the sources. Here's what I understand about this topic:

1. Basically, this "three warfares" strategy first came into public discourse via international observers' testimonies. Almost all the Chinese-language articles I can find are responses to international publications about this strategy. (e.g. [17][18][19][20] - note, some of these are banned from being used in Wikipedia article citations)
2. These Chinese-language reports parroted the international media reports rather matter-of-factly, without challenging the content. Notably even Chinese state media Huanqiu parroted without much original commentary. This, and the strength of international sources, give credence to the verity of the "three warfares" strategy's details.
3. "Three warfares" is the English term used by the vast majority of sources cited by this article. There is no reason to change that.
4. I don't see any sources using the "3W's" abbreviation. @DiplomatTesterMan: Please provide a source.
5. I guess one could say "三种战法" is better translated "three strategies" than "three warfares", but I don't feel strongly about this.
6. With all these in mind, I guess we could caveat both the DYK hook and the lead section of the article with "According to international observers, Three Warfares is...". But again I don't feel strongly about this.
7. Concerning possible Chinese establishment backlash if this goes onto Main Page, I really wouldn't worry about it. It seems that this topic first emerged into public view through international media a decade ago. As Andrew said, Wikipedia is banned in China. And each hook only gets 8 hours on Main Page. I seriously doubt that Chinese censors will even care, but - disclaimer - I don't claim any responsibility if DiplomatTesterMan gets banned by China as a result of getting this article onto Main Page.

--Deryck C. 00:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Andrew and Deryck, thank you both for the above points which I am seeing only now; I will make changes to the article accordingly.

Thank you for the light hearted humour of the disclaimer and the seriously improbable chance of all this leading to a ban. DTM (talk) 13:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• The article is about a policy/doctrine announced by the CCP's subsidiary organization. See [21][22] ArvindPalaskar (talk) 15:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Addressing the points raised by Andrew

1. Done. English translation provided.
2. Done. 3W's removed.
3. Done. 3 components added to the lead.
4. to do
5. Done. Moved to other section, location of source mentioned inline; or integrated
6. This line has been shifted to a section titled "commentary"
7. to do; but Sun Tsu is mentioned in the article

Addressing the points raised by Deryck

1. No changes in article needed
2. No changes in article needed
3. No changes in article needed
4. Done. 3W's no longer used in article.
5. Done. "three strategies" added to lead.
6. to do
7. No changes in article needed

DTM (talk) 04:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• @DiplomatTesterMan: Thanks for responding to my comments! I'm not sure what sources 3 and 4 are for? It seems that you're trying to justify the "three tactics" translation but the sources are in Chinese. Also it's been a week since this comment, are you still working on the DYK nomination? Deryck C. 00:41, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

• Andrew, Deryck, thanks for pointing out 3 & 4. I won't be able to fix all the errors in this article within the stipulated DYK nom timeframe, though I will continue to make improvements slowly over a period of time irrespective of this DYK nom. I myself had shyed away from nominating this as a DYK nom so soon because I knew it would take some time to shape this article. I don't mind if this DYK nom is closed. If the others listed, and the nominator, ArvindPalaskar, want to carry on with it, please do so. Cheers. DTM (talk) 09:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

• @DiplomatTesterMan: Thanks for the updates. A DYK nomination can remain open for months and so there's plenty of time available, if needed. I'll take another look through the article and see if it's nearly ready now. Perfection is not required – that's a different department! Andrew🐉(talk) 12:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Andrew Davidson: From my point of view the article and the hook are both good enough for DYK. The fact that Chinese state media also give same details about the Three Warfares rather matter-of-factly has convinced me that the current presentation of the article complies with NPOV. In my opinion the remaining suggestions are optional for DYK, but you're the reviewer so it's your call. Deryck C. 16:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

• I've made some more changes, some as per suggestions above.
• The initial point made by Yoninah, Surely DiplomatTesterMan can help you write a better hook, still stands. Though if Andrew thinks the current hook is fine, and no one can come up with a better hook...Deryck... then I guess this is coming closer to being given that green tick. Thanks for being so considerate everyone with the timelines.DTM (talk) 15:12, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 22

Fred Bang, Betsy Bang

• ( Review or comment )

• ( Article history links: Fred Bang
• Betsy Bang )

• ... that Fred and Betsy Bang were introduced by a 700-pound (320 kg) gorilla called Marmaduke?

• Reviewed: Three Warfares; Timothy S. Matthews
• Comment: The articles were created some time ago but have lately been expanded. Fred has certainly been expanded x5 and Betsy is getting there. They make a natural pair and the story of their first meeting can be read at The Conversation.

5x expanded by Andrew Davidson (talk). Self-nominated at 16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC).

• Fred Bang: Article length is 2,232 chars, but assessed as stub. Needs re-assesing at lest as start. It was expanded at least five-fold, was nominated on due time, and is neutral. It cites sources inline. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports moderate text similarities for four sources. They can be easily reworded. the fact "introduced by a 700-pound gorilla called Marmaduke" is not contained in the article. Betsy Bang: Article's expansion began at 952 chars on 17 Speptember, one week before the DYK nomination. It was 2,886 chars long at the nomination date, which does not meet the five-fold condition. It is assesed as stub, which is not any more. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports moderate text similarities for four sources. They can be easily reworded. The hook fact is cited offline, for which I AGF. It is interesting. Its length is within limit. The image is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License. It is contained in both articles. QPQ was done. CeeGee 11:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Both are now rated C. Johnbod (talk) 03:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: Y
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: N - ?

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - ?
• Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I am giving this nomination a second review because (a) time has passed, (b) the nomination template shows almost no progression beyond the first review, and (c) the article Betsy Bang (in my opinion) is unlikely to be expanded sufficiently any time soon. I have therefore taken the liberty of un-bolding the Betsy Bang link, so that this review deals only with Fred Bang. If you agree with my response, then the remaining issues are as follows: (1) ALT0 is fine, but I suggest that we have "Betsy and Fred Bang" so that Fred gets his full name linked. So please could we have an ALT1 identical to ALT0 but with the phrase "Betsy and Fred Bang"? (2) The four plagiarised sentences/phrases are still there - please rephrase them or put them in quotation marks? They are, "in applying marine biology to medical research", "as assistant professor of medicine in 1946. In 1953, he was named chairman of the department of parasitology at the School of", "in the United States Army Medical Corps, he directed research studies on malaria and other tropical diseases in Australia, New Guinea, the Philippines and Japan.", "to Sweden and West Germany to present scientific papers". (3) The hook and its citation are not in the Fred Bang article. Please put them in? Notes: I have accepted your Timothy S. Matthews review for QPQ, so your other review can now be set against another nomination if needed. Also, if you disagree with me un-bolding Betsy Bang, then please accept my apologies and please re-bold that link. However in that case you will need another review of Betsy Bang when the article has been expanded five times. Storye book (talk) 11:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: Please see the above new review. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 19:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Storye book: Thanks for the reminder. I was discouraged by what's happened here but may yet regain my enthusiasm. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Andrew Davidson: I don't think you need to be discouraged. CeeGee's initial review was helpful and constructive, showing you exactly how to improve the article to DYK standards. There has been no editorial interference on the article page since the DYK nomination date, which is good - you have been left in full control of the article. If there is anything that you don't agree with or understand, or if you need help with anything, please let us (or other editors) know. We are all here to improve WP. You have two interesting articles here, about two important scientists, and any contribution we make to the improvement of that type of article is worthwhile. Keep up the good work. Storye book (talk) 20:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 23

Polish folk dances

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that each region within Poland has unique dances native to the region, as well as versions of dances that may also be found in other regions, and some regions have over 30 different known dances?

Created/expanded by MandatoryStudentAccount (talk). Self-nominated at 00:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC).

• Comments by Tbhotch

General eligibility:

• New Enough: Y
• Long Enough: N - The article had around 3,829 characters before the expansion. It currently has around 9,750 of the 19,145 characters required for a 5x expansion.

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - Several unsourced sections; a refimprove template at the top of the page.
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: ??

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: N - Yes and no. The hook is never mentioned or sourced directly, but through WP:Synthesis. An appropriate link(s) that verify it is required.
• Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: QPQ unrequired (first DYK nomination). @MandatoryStudentAccount: There are several issues listed above. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 04:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Tbhotch: The nominator hasn't edited since October 3 and only appears to be editing as part of a college course. The course doesn't end until December so there's still a chance that the nom will return. In the meantime, to see if the nomination can still be saved, let's also ping the instructors (Pmmccurdy and Sabprem24), as well as Helaine (Wiki Ed) and Ian (Wiki Ed) who are both listed as the advising WikiEd staff on the course page. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 26

Bob Hindmarch

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that Canadian professor Bob Hindmarch established exchanges between the University of British Columbia and Japan that advanced the philosophy of physical and psychological education in ice hockey? Oliver, Greg (2017). Father Bauer and the Great Experiment: The Genesis of Canadian Olympic Hockey. Toronto, Ontario: ECW Press. pp. 185–186. ISBN 978-1-77041-249-1. OCLC 954430059.
  • ALT1:... that under coach Bob Hindmarch, the UBC Thunderbirds men's ice hockey team toured China, where they played a series of games focused on friendship and teaching hockey skills? [23][24]
  • ALT2:... that Canadian professor Bob Hindmarch donated his own money to feed starving student athletes on the Canada men's national ice hockey team? Oliver, Greg (2017). Father Bauer and the Great Experiment: The Genesis of Canadian Olympic Hockey. Toronto, Ontario: ECW Press. pp. 101–103. ISBN 978-1-77041-249-1. OCLC 954430059.
  • ALT3:that Canadian physical educator Bob Hindmarch was a co-captain of both the football and baseball teams while playing on the UBC Thunderbirds? [25]

• Reviewed: Miranda Du

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 00:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New article, no issues with prose size or copyvio detected. My only question about the article itself is whether it's standard to back-calculate the birth year without a specific source for the year? QPD done. I would support ALT1. Although after having another look at the article I think it would be more interesting put as:
ALT4: "that under coach Bob Hindmarch, the UBC Thunderbirds men's ice hockey team became one of the first Western sports teams to tour China?" Jr8825 • Talk 00:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• I feel that calculating the birth year based on age as of a date is fine, and I have seen it used many times in other articles. The review is unclear whether an opinion was offered on ALT0, ALT2 or ALT3. I prefer these hooks since they focus more on the person rather than the team. A second opinion from a new reviewer is needed for ALT4, and possibly the other hooks. Cheers. Flibirigit (talk) 00:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for being unclear with my original review @Flibirigit:, I should have said that my preference is for ALT1 (and by extension ALT4), but that I support the other variants as well. I understand your point about focusing on Bob specifically, and I think ALT0 and ALT2 are both very interesting. Jr8825 • Talk 01:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• Flibirigit, please strike the hooks you don't want to use; then we can ask for a new reviewer. I was going to promote ALT1, but if you don't like it, please strike it. Jr8825, per Rule H2, you cannot approve your own hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• Nowhere above did I state that I wanted to strike any hook. I stated my preference and ask for other opinions. Flibirigit (talk) 23:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• I'm confused. But I'd like to ask evrik if he would mind doing a proper review of ALT0, ALT2, ALT3, and ALT4, and whether any of these are better in his opinion than ALT1. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• Second opinions are needed on all hooks above. Cheers. Flibirigit (talk) 00:19, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
• Alt2 and some version of ALt0 are my favorites. --evrik ^(talk) 05:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

I am here to offer a second opinion on all hooks, as requested. As per habit, I have checked through the article to familiarise myself with it, and I confirm and agree with the above review of the article. Sources: ALT0 offline, taken AGF. ALT1 online, checks out except it says (or implies) sharing of skills, not teaching. ALT2 offline, taken AGF. ALT2 checks out online. ALT4 checks out online. Re hook interest: The editors above have between them shown preferences for all of the hooks, and I take it that they're here because they know something about ice hockey (my Canadian 3rd cousin was a goalie, and they could really whack that puck - and him the target - and they were big - so I can visualise that China visit from the Beijing perspective). So bearing in mind that I (and presumably all the other Rest-of-the-Worlds like me) don't know a lot about ice hockey, I'd go for ALT2 where Hindmarch feeds the starving. That one, for me, is unforgettable. But I leave it up to whoever promotes it to have the last word (unless any one of the above editors disagrees with that?). Note: If you want ALT1 to be one of the choices, you must change the wording to "sharing", not "teaching". Thank you for a great article, Flibirigit. Storye book (talk) 10:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Flibirigit: Please see the review above. Thanks. Storye book (talk) 20:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 27

Ledlenser

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

LedLenser's T7M Tactical Flashlight

• ... that Ledlenser developed the first commercially available LED flashlight? Source: "Fineartmultiple Art Magazine - Why Has a Pack of Wolves Descended on Berlin?". fineartmultiple.com. "The artist behind the project, Rainer Opolka, was a highly successful inventor who alongside his twin brother made a fortune from developing power saving technologies such as the first commercially available LED torch"
  • ALT1:... that Ledlenser are an official partner with Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) in 2020? Source: Hardisty, Carin., Ledlenser helps Doctors without Borders, Sports Trader, March 31, 2020.

Created by Arthur Sparknottle (talk). Self-nominated at 19:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC).

• A brand-new article from a brand-new editor, who, despite his “newness”, and his rather narrow focus, knew just how to submit this. Qwirkle (talk) 04:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• Concurred with Qwirkle. The article doesn't meet WP:NPOV, and hooks are of dubious verifiability in their own right. Hportfacts5 (talk) 16:11, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• Who did invent the first LED flashlight then, clever clogs? That's an interesting fact people should know. Why are you trying to hide it? You need to read WP:ABF too. What sources are unreliable? Why isn't the German verson tagged with NPOV if your claim is true? [26] It's almost exactly the same! Are there actually any English speaking editors out there that make good faith edits or explain anything clearly? I despair! This place is disgraceful. An enyclcopedia nasty! Arthur Sparknottle (talk) 19:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I would like to undertake a second review. The article is new enough and long enough. Numerous paragraphs are uncited, which does not meet Rule D2. The references should be better formatted so we see sources and dates. Images are freely licensed.
• It's unclear to me why a factual accuracy tag has been appended without any corresponding explanation on the talk page. I do not read German so as to check the corresponding German Wikipedia page (maybe Gerda Arendt can help here) but the article seems like a pretty straightforward company write-up. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 00:33, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• The first commercially available LED flashlights were made in the 1970s, possibly before the principals of this company were born. In the beginning, of course, they were either very weak or very expensive, and you could have any color of light as long as it was red, but that changed steadily over time. For a bright white flashlight with low power draw, HDS beat these guys handily.

  As a glance at the article will show, it it sourced to commercial press realeases for the company founders new, unrelated project, bad public art. Qwirkle (talk) 01:40, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  Sorry, I have no time. I know German but not the technologies. This is a translation of an article that comes in several languages. I'll remove the tags. Please say precisely what seems factually disputed for a fact or paragraph, not the whole thing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  Restoring the comment I removed by mistake. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  I looked a bit closer now. Arthur, I find indeed that the article is rather closely modeled after the German, which is no problem, but also means it is not better sourced than the German, which is a problem. (Look at several other nomination and articles - on different topics - with the same problem.) For the English Wikipedia, we need independent reliable sources (WP:RS), and for DYK, we need them even more, and for all paragraphs. The company's website and press releases are NOT independent, and can only be used as external references. Arthur, are you willing to find independent references? - IF you are, please also find a hook that doesn't include "first", which is always hard to prove. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• ALT0 should be struck out because it is provably wrong. Binksternet (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• Can a new hook be proposed here? ALT1 sounds promotional. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

  ?? medical help without borders, - shouldn't we "promote" that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I meant it sounds like an advertisement. Kind of the same things as, for example "Our group is sponsored by ACME Corporation". Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:04, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

"being sponsored" is different from "participating in a humanitarian project", for me at least. Having said that, what we need first is an article based on reliable sources, and we so far from it that hook criticism seems a waste of time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

A suggestion, from someone who is obviously a bit apart from the whole spirit of a mandatory, daily, DYK: any newly created article with a strong commercial, political....well, anything with a strong POv attached...really isn’t the best fit for DYK. Wiki is practically inviting NPOV and COI problems by encouraging this. Qwirkle (talk) 21:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Well, since the nominator hasn't edited Wikipedia since September 29, unless someone else adopts it, we're going to have to close this nomination as stale. Yoninah (talk) 22:14, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 28

Gerberian Shepsky

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• Article history )

Dolce

• ... that the FBI's first therapy dog was a Gerberian Shepsky named Dolce (pictured)?
  • ALT1:... that ...?

• Reviewed: To be done
• Comment: 5 x expanded from 28 September

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 09:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC).

• Date created from a redirect fine, as is the length. The hook cite needs to be inline. There are several problem citiation tags and also the GNG tag at the top which will need to be sorted @Philafrenzy: and @Whispyhistory:. A QPQ is also needed. The picture licence is fine but the image is not currently in the article. No close paraphrasing. But these issues need sorting before I can pass it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

• Some users are trying to have this dog put-down and buried in the pet cemetery of list of cross-breeds with a short obituary. In pursuit of this they have thrown every tag they can think of at the article but I think there's life in this dog yet. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

That is because there is not one WP:RELIABLE source that uses this name. "Some users" do not want Wikipedia to become a laughing stock. Refer Talk:Gerberian Shepsky#Did you know nomination - the issue has not been resolved. William Harris (talk) 04:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

It may be the Common Name now. That's how it works - someone makes up a common name and some of them gain traction and stick. Even if not, the article can easily be moved to "German Shepherd-Huskie cross" or something similar. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:23, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Philafrenzy, your response above appears to be an admission that it may be WP:TOOSOON for this as an independent article. Cavalryman (talk) 09:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC).

You are confused. My comment was about the article title. Toosoon relates to notability which matter was settled in the AFD. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

No, notability was not established for this article at AfD, please show me where it was. There is one source. Cavalryman (talk) 10:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC).

Nine sources in the article. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Philafrenzy I have no desire for conflict, the sources just don’t stack up. Only one uses the name and comes close to WP:SIGCOV, the other eight are fleeting mentions three of which are inconsistent with the definition of this crossbreed. Cavalryman (talk) 22:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC).

There is no reference which states "that the FBI's first therapy dog was a Gerberian Shepsky named Dolce". That remains a fact. Therefore, that statement should not appear as a DYK. William Harris (talk) 09:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• Note that the article currently has notability and merge tags, so the nomination can't be passed until those are resolved. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Dolores Cabrera y Heredia

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Dolores Cabrera y Heredia

• ... that Dolores Cabrera y Heredia (pictured) was a Spanish Romantic poet and novelist whose poetry collection Las violetas referred to the evocative power of violets?Fernández-Xesta y Vázquez, Ernesto (2014). "Dos románticas pioneras y un mentor romántico, en Madrid: Gregorio Romero Larrañaga entre Dolores de Cabrera y Heredia y Paulina Cabrero Martínez" [Two Romantic Pioneers and a Romantic Mentor, at Madrid: Gregorio Romero Larrañaga as Nexus of Union Between Dolores de Cabrera y Heredia and Paulina Cabrero Martínez] (PDF). ARAMHG (in Spanish) (XVII): 145–213. Retrieved 2020-09-28.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Statue of Lenin at Finland Station

Created by Nick Number (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 02:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC).

• @SandyGeorgia: You said that, the text was "not verified by sources" and that there were "source-to-text integrity issues". Care to elaborate? @Nick Number: please take note. Also, I am posting this at GOCE. --evrik ^(talk) 03:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• I will try flagging them tomorrow while on a long drive home, but be forewarned ... typing on iPad from hotspot in car = many typos. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• With a quick look only ... What happened here seems to be a mixing up of sources between the original Spanish version and the translated English version, such that text is not found in the cited sources, but is found in other sources by tracing back to the Spanish version. The hook is not found in the cited source, nor is the year of her marriage, although that info is found in other sources cited as in the Spanish version. I have not yet found where she followed her husband to three locations named, but the hook is not correctly cited and all of this needs sorting. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• The evocative power of violets comes from this source: [27] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

That source is cited after "She identifies that love with the flowers that give the work its title". If you think it's unclear, a second named ref could go after "whose aroma transported her to her childhood". Nick Number (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The hook should be explicitly cited in DYKs, so that should be switched out, or both added. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• This source does NOT say she married in 1856;[28] it says she returned to Madrid in 1856, and there she married ... but this source says she married in 1856.[29].

Footnote 1 (cellit.es) supports that she returned to Madrid and married, and footnote 3 (ramhg.es) references the entire paragraph, including the marriage year. My thinking was that this was close enough in the text per WP:CITEFOOT, and that these facts aren't particularly contentious, but if you think it's unclear, a second named ref for ramhg.es could go after the first sentence. Things moved a little from the Spanish original because it didn't list her husband's death year, and its paragraph ends with "Este matrimonio fue apadrinado por los reyes", which is an expression I wasn't entirely clear on and omitted. Nick Number (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The "apadrinado" means that the royals were godparents at their wedding ... godfathers in Spanish for a wedding is something similar to best man and maid of honor-- it would be interesting information to include, but I can understand leaving it out if we have to fudge to explain it. Another oddity is that one of those two sources says her date of death is not established, and yet it seems that it is. Yes, it is better to attach the specific citation to each piece cited, as I was initially doing a copyvio/close paraphrasing check, so getting to the exact citation is helpful! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

That is two mixed up sources, and I haven’t yet found the travel with her husband. That is all I have time for. The good news is I have not found copyvio or too close paraphrasing. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The travel with her husband appears to have originally come from here (though it is not cited at that point in the Spanish original). I was leery of referencing a Wordpress post, even though this one does appear to be well written. It draws on the biography from El Correo de la Moda, but pages 261 and 262 of that, covering her life after 1850, are unfortunately missing from the online copy at BNE. Nick Number (talk) 15:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

With DYKs, the main issue is that the hook be cited, so Evrik should be sure to fix that piece as I noted above. Unless you can cite the business that she moved around with her husband, it would be best left off. I am unsure if you are saying there is a non-wordpress source that cites it, and I'm out of time on this particular review. Nice work, though! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Number: Can you please adjust the citations in the article? --evrik ^(talk) 16:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Number, one thing you may find useful is to make use of the quote= paramater in the citation templates (along with the trans-title parameter for translation of titles) to single out the piece of the text from the source you are citing, to make it easier for WP:NONENG verification and copyvio check. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

• Any interest in making this a double? (Template:Did you know nominations/Hermandad Lírica)
• Alt1 ... that Dolores Cabrera y Heredia (pictured) was a Spanish Romantic poet and novelist who was a prominent member of Hermandad Lírica? --evrik ^(talk) 03:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hermandad Lírica, Dolores Cabrera y Heredia

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• ( Article history links: Hermandad Lírica
• Dolores Cabrera y Heredia )

Dolores Cabrera y Heredia

• ... that Dolores Cabrera y Heredia (pictured) was a Spanish Romantic poet and novelist who was a prominent member of Hermandad Lírica? [30]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Heschong
• Comment: Proposing as a double with Dolores Cabrera y Heredia

Created by Evrik (talk) and SandyGeorgia (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 19:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: N - ?
• Neutral: Y
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed: Y
• Used in article: Y
• Clear at 100px: ??

QPQ: Done.

Overall: This was nominated previously as Template:Did you know nominations/Dolores Cabrera y Heredia, and is now a double nomination. The above review-set is for both articles. There is one issue, of sources: Dolores Cabrera y Heredia is not fully sourced. Some guidance on sources is given by SandyGeorgia in the abovementioned template. Hermandad Lírica appears to be fully sourced, although I have not checked every source. Two QPQs have been done by Evrik (one is listed here; one is listed on the abovementioned template). Note: The image is free and used in both articles. I have corrected the image licence because it is out of copyright. Thank you to Evrik, Nick Number and SandyGeorgia for two really intriguing articles; I must brush up my rusty Spanish and see if I can read some of the poems, though I guess I would miss most of the ambiguities - and that's the interesting bit! Storye book (talk) 12:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 29

Cleveland School fire (South Carolina)

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• ... that the Cleveland School fire was the deadliest fire in South Carolina history? Source: https://www.wltx.com/article/features/seagrave-the-fire-truck-that-witnessed-history/101-43489020-588f-4189-b2a4-f06e14395db6

Created by Scorpions13256 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC).

No QPQ needed.

• New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
• I question how you can pull an image off some site and declare it public domain because it was taken before 1924. Where is this image really from? If you'd like to check on copyright issues, you could ask our helpful advisor GRuban.
• DYK generally frowns on stacking all the citations at the end of each paragraph. It makes it impossible to verify hook facts. Also, you don't need all those uncontroversial cites in the lead at all. However, you do need an inline cite for your hook fact. Personally, I find the hook too brief; I wish it had one more detail or fact in it other than it being the worst to give it a little more flavor. Yoninah (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think there are any issues with copyright because I asked about it on Wikimedia Commons, and they told me it was okay. Nonetheless, I will ask the person you recommended that I talk to just to be sure. I will also try addressing the hook and referencing issues in a few hours when I finish my schoolwork. Thank you for your time. Scorpions13256 (talk) 22:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I see the URL contains both "townnews.com" and "postandcourier.com". Is it from a US newspaper? See, the key point is that if it was published before 1925, then it's public domain. (See Public domain in the United States.) Can you give a bit more detail about the image than just https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/postandcourier.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/f8/9f88fa33-fb8e-511d-beb2-8eacbd0cbb46/5e9e0f7a94f1c.image.png? Ideally not to me as much as on the image page. --GRuban (talk) 23:09, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't know exactly where it came from because it appeared on so many different sites. I likely got the image from either scfirefighters.org or postandcourier.com, but I am not 100% sure. I'll try phoning the newspaper you brought up. I almost cited the "postandcourier.com" article, but I didn't because it was an opinion piece. Scorpions13256 (talk) 23:29, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Cleveland School fire, South Carolina's deadliest fire, took place during a play called topsy turvey? Source: https://www.wltx.com/article/features/seagrave-the-fire-truck-that-witnessed-history/101-43489020-588f-4189-b2a4-f06e14395db6

• ALT2: ... that the Cleveland School fire, South Carolina's deadliest fire, led to the implementation of many modern fire codes in the United States? Source: https://www.wltx.com/article/features/seagrave-the-fire-truck-that-witnessed-history/101-43489020-588f-4189-b2a4-f06e14395db6

Bad news about the image. I searched for some time, hoping to find it in a 1923 newspaper, but couldn't. Instead, I found it at much better resolution here, with explanation. https://digital.tcl.sc.edu/digital/collection/scpcexhibit/id/129 It's a personal image from the collection of John C. West, who donated it to a university, so may well have not been published until only a few years ago. So you could write to the university, and ask if it was published before they got it, or if they would release it into the public domain or under https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/. Even if they don't, you can definitely use it under WP:FAIR, since the school burned down 100 years ago, so there may well be no other image of it on earth; but we couldn't put it on our front page in the DYK section. Meanwhile, there is some good news (in terms of the article; in absolute terms, tragic news, of course): if you read the page I linked, the image is apparently from the mother of John C. West, who later became governor of South Carolina, which is why we have an article on him; she was a teacher there and the fire took the life of his father - that may well be worth a sentence or two in the article! It's already in our John C. West article, but should be linked from there to your article. I'll let you have the honor.--GRuban (talk) 13:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually, do write, and ask carefully. Because if you look at https://imree.tcl.sc.edu/exhibits/scpc/John_C._West.pdf that implies that picture may have been published in J. O. Moseley, The Terrible Cleveland Fire, Charleston, S.C.: Southern Printing and Publishing Co., 1923. I can't find that book on Google Books, so can't check. But https://www.worldcat.org/title/terrible-cleveland-fire-its-victims-and-survivors/oclc/6941501 says it does have some photograph plates. So if it was published there, then it is public domain after all! Do ask. Or ask a library that holds the book. --GRuban (talk) 13:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your work. There is a copy of the book at the University of South Carolina. I'll phone them today. Scorpions13256 (talk) 14:02, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Gruban, I emailed the university of South Carolina, and I spoke to a librarian. The photo was in fact published in that book in 1923, meaning that it is public domain. They agreed to provide an HD scan from the book so that I could use it in this article. I plan on deleting the current picture. They said that they would also provide the appropriate language to attribute the scan to them. Scorpions13256 (talk) 18:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

That is Wonderful! If you like, you can use the somewhat higher resolution image from https://digital.tcl.sc.edu/digital/collection/scpcexhibit/id/129 until they get that one to you. Write on that image page that the image was published in (details of that book) in 1923, use https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-US-expired and Bob's your uncle. --GRuban (talk) 18:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

In the meantime, what do you think of my new hook and reference formatting? Is it satisfactory now? This is my first DYK. Scorpions13256 (talk) 19:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I'm reviewing the hooks. I think ALT1 is better, but the name of the play is being spelled differently here than in the article. You also need to add an inline cite in the article (right after the sentence in which the name of the play appears). Yoninah (talk) 19:14, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Done. However, there does appear to be a conflict between the sources though. I'm unsure how to proceed from here. Scorpions13256 (talk) 19:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• Well, if your sources conflict, you need to choose the ones that are most reliable or verified by other sources. Often there will be typos in a source, but other sources together can confirm the fact. Yoninah (talk) 20:17, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• Actually, I was only talking about the information in the first hook. There is no contradiction for the rest of the information in the article. For that reason, I think that hook 2 would be better. What do you think? I could reword it to say that schools have monthly fire drills because of the disaster. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• Well then, I think you're going to get a lot more clicks if you say how many children died (inline cite please), the bodies couldn't be identified and they were buried in a mass grave. Yoninah (talk) 21:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that after the Cleveland School fire, most of the deceased could not be identified and were buried in a mass grave? Source: https://www.wltx.com/article/features/seagrave-the-fire-truck-that-witnessed-history/101-43489020-588f-4189-b2a4-f06e14395db6
• ALT4: ... that after the Cleveland School fire, South Carolina's deadliest fire, most of the deceased could not be identified? Source: https://www.wltx.com/article/features/seagrave-the-fire-truck-that-witnessed-history/101-43489020-588f-4189-b2a4-f06e14395db6
• ALT5: ... that after the Cleveland School fire, South Carolina's deadliest fire, most of the deceased could not be identified and were buried in a mass grave? Source: https://www.wltx.com/article/features/seagrave-the-fire-truck-that-witnessed-history/101-43489020-588f-4189-b2a4-f06e14395db6

I hope one of these three hooks is good enough. Scorpions13256 (talk) 22:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid these are not what I mean by "hooky". They sound like a news item, not something that will "reel in" readers to click on the article and learn more. Let's go back to ALT2. The only problem with that is that the source is not talking about many modern fire codes in the United States—you added that. The source seems to be a Cleveland local news article, perhaps referring to Cleveland schools but not expressly saying so. Your article would be better served by citing book sources that deal with the subject in a more scholarly way. BTW I am going offline shortly for a couple of days. Yoninah (talk) 22:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I find it interesting that you say that because the article says that The fire was instrumental in creating the modern fire codes we have today.. If I understood you correctly, maybe I could reword the article to better reflect what the source actually says? You're right that I should have included more scholarly sources. I didn't have access to a lot of scholarly sources at the time. Scorpions13256 (talk) 22:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the article needs to follow the source. If it's not in the source, it shouldn't be in the article. I do all my research on Google and Google Books. Yoninah (talk) 22:36, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I thought that the information I included was in the source. The thing I was quoting was from the newspaper article, not the Wikipedia article. The same newspaper article also says that these codes were all because of the Cleveland School fire. I would never include something in an article without first citing it. Scorpions13256 (talk) 22:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

The source says: The fire was instrumental in creating the modern fire codes we have today. Where is it talking about exactly? The U.S.? The world? On a close reading, it seems to be talking about Camden. Such a general statement, from a local news outlet at that, really needs to be backed up by a more reliable source before being included in your article. Yoninah (talk) 22:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh. I get you now. Everything you said makes sense. I'll see what reliable sources I can find. Sorry if I'm taking up too much of your time. Scorpions13256 (talk) 22:55, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

No, you're fine. I know what I mean in the beginning, but sometimes it takes me time to express it clearly. Yoninah (talk) 23:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• ALT6: ... that the Cleveland School fire took place the day the school was to permanently close. Source: https://www.newspapers.com/image/670468071/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/93197965/

Okay, I provided two sources just to be safe. I'm putting one of the references in the article right now. I'll use the WITX source instead if it's acceptable though. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:20, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• OK, here's what I suggest. First add a little more oomph to the hook with your original statement. What do you think about:
• ALT6a: ... that the Cleveland School fire, the deadliest in South Carolina history, took place on the day the school was to close for good?
• Second, please deal with the image. Replace it with the higher resolution image as GRuban suggested above.
• Third, I cannot believe that this one fire led to all those safety measures. As I said above, this is a local news source. If you cannot provide a more reliable reference for this information, I suggest removing it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Scorpions13256: I tweaked ALT6a based on what you say in the article. Is that what it says in the sources? And what are those two newspaper sources doing on this template? Do you want to add them to the article? And if they are Newspapers.com sources, please clip them and post them per the open access policy. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:38, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• Corrected my mistake with the hook. But please make the Newspapers.com sources visible. Yoninah (talk) 18:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• I promise you I'll do that. I also uploaded the picture that USC provided to me. I hope I labeled it correctly. Scorpions13256 (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• I think you need to edit the image upload form based on what GRuban told you above. Yoninah (talk) 19:10, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• I'm just working on linking the permission document. Scorpions13256 (talk) 01:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Everything except the stamp removal of the new picture is done. Scorpions13256 (talk) 19:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Scorpions13256: Great! Let me know when you're ready to continue the review. Yoninah (talk) 19:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: I'm ready. Scorpions13256 (talk) 22:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 30

Ann Bedsole

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• Article history )

• ... that Ann Bedsole was the first Republican woman to serve in the Alabama House of Representatives and the first woman to serve in the Alabama Senate? "Ann Smith Bedsole". Encyclopedia of Alabama. Archived from the original on September 26, 2020.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Butters

Created by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: ??
Overall: QPQ needed, or nominator needs to claim the exemption. Otherwise, this looks good Imzadi 1979 → 18:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Imzadi1979: Just completed the QPQ so that article can go ahead. Jon698 (talk) 18:38, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
  • now. Imzadi 1979 → 18:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Jon698: Isn't there anything else you can say about her accomplishments other than that she was the first? And so many firsts? Yoninah (talk) 23:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

• Repinging Jon698. I agree with Yoninah. SL93 (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
• @Yoninah: There is nothing else important about her and I don't see how two firsts is "so many". Jon698 (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Jon698: It seems you were only using your primary source to talk about her political career. I added a lot more about her business and philanthropic activities. She sounds like quite a doer. Maybe you can take one of the "firsts" and add it to something else from her career to make a better hook. Yoninah (talk) 16:34, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Ann Bedsole, the first woman to serve in the Alabama Senate, received a Philanthropist of the Year award for her numerous educational and philanthropic initiatives?
• ALT2 ... that Ann Bedsole, the first woman to serve in the Alabama Senate, was inducted into the Alabama Academy of Honor for her numerous educational and philanthropic initiatives?

I tried to come up with a hook that highlighted her philanthropical activities, but none of the things mentioned in the article appeared to be broadly appealing. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that Ann Bedsole, the first woman to serve in the Alabama Senate, included a timetable for the state's hunting season on the back of her re-election campaign materials? Yoninah (talk) 02:10, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

That sounds a lot better. Would you want to be listed as a co-contributer for this nom? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

OK. I've been expanding the article while watching the World Series! Yoninah (talk) 03:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I've listed you as a co-expander. We're gonna need a new review for this. Courtesy ping Imzadi1979. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 1

Aomori Prefecture

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• Article history )

Potsherds from the Odai Yamamoto I site

• ... that Japan's oldest pottery was found in Aomori Prefecture? Source: "Potshards and arrowheads have been discovered along with stones showing technical features of the Paleolithic era. Radiocarbon dating of carbonized material adhering to a potshard reveals that it is approximately 15,000 years old, which is the oldest pottery in Japan," [31]
  • ALT1:... that 59 percent of Japan's apples were grown in Aomori Prefecture in 2018? Source: "りんごの収穫量（しゅうかくりょう）は445,500トン（2018年）で、全国の半分以上（約59パーセント）をしめています。 " [32])

• Reviewed: Lisa Nowak

Improved to Good Article status by Mccunicano (talk). Self-nominated at 00:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Y Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT1 is preferred. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 11:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• The GA review is being reopened due to a problematic review, so while this article was nominated for DYK in good faith, the nomination needs to wait until the GA promotion has been confirmed or undone. Putting this nomination on hold until the process has been completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Changed to maybe per BlueMoonset. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 05:51, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 2

Pastia people

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• ... that unlike neighboring tribes, the Pastia people of south Texas escaped detection by Spanish explorers until the early 18th century?<Source: The Pastia...became known to Spaniards relatively late, mainly because they lived off of early routes of Spanish travel in Texas>
  • ALT1:... that in lean times, the indigenous Pastia people of southern Texas, subsisted on worms, insects, lizards, and the undigested nuts retrieved from deer dung?
  • ALT2:. .. that the Pastia people were first contacted by Spanish explorers in the early eighteenth century, and were extinct as an ethnic group by the middle of the following century? <Source: [from] the early 1500s, only a few hundred years passed before the indigenous peoples of the South Texas Plains had lost almost all ethnic identity and were, effectively, culturally extinct...>
  • ALT3:... that the Pastia people were one of the three groups present at the 1720 foundation of Mission San José y San Miguel? <Source: ...where they were one of three Indian groups said to have been present when the mission was established in 1720.>

• Reviewed: will do Carbonaceous sulfur hydride

Created by GenQuest (talk). Self-nominated at 19:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC).

• New enough, long enough, well cited (perhaps too much), no image. Passes earwig. Waiting for the QPQ. Tentatively Approving Alt0. --evrik ^(talk) 17:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• Pinging GenQuest just in case. SL93 (talk) 00:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

@Evrik: and @SL93: QPQ done. Thanks, GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 06:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Piccadilly line

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• ... that an experiment to encourage passengers to step on the escalator three at a time was trialed at a Piccadilly line station? Source: Horne's Piccadilly book (offline) (ref32)
  • ALT1:... that Buckingham, Heathrow and Harrods are on the Piccadilly line? Source: Tfl poster and google maps
  • ALT2:... that it took the Piccadilly line 31 years to fully replace District line services to Hounslow? Source: several in the Western extensions subsection in History
  • ALT3:... that the Aldwych branch of the Piccadilly line was to be extended to Waterloo for decades, but the branch was closed instead in 1994? Source: several in Notable incidents and events, Aldwych branch closure subsection. Also cited in the Aldwych tube station article
  • ALT4:... that 200,000 children were evacuated via the Piccadilly line during World War II? Source: Horne's book (ref86)
  • ALT5:... that torpedo sights were produced on the Piccadilly line at Earl's Court station during World War II? Source: same ref as above
  • ALT6:... that in October 1965, 960 m of new diversion tracks were laid near Finsbury Park within 13 hours? Source: Horne's book (ref94)

• Reviewed: Shukri al-Asali
• Comment: A December 15 date for the line's anniversary is kindly appreciated. The article may go through a GAR so I suggest leaving this onhold after a review is done. Thank you <3 Another note: I also would love to know whether a picture should be inserted into this nom :D

Improved to Good Article status by Vincent60030 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:19, 4 October 2020 (UTC).

Interesting line, fine substantial GA on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF. I'm [only] approving 2 ALTs, to make life easier for the prep builder. I'm sorry, but believe that 15 December is asking too much, - 6 weeks is max unless we make an exception. None of the images looks exceptional to represent the line (to me). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• As Vincent60030 noted, the GA review was problematic and a new review there will need to be done. This is being put on hold until the new GA review has been completed and the article properly listed. So it is possible that the GA status may not be awarded until much closer to December 15, in which case the nomination might be eligible for the special occasion after all, though it's unlikely that it will take a month to complete the review. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I am attempting to request for 15 December because I have really worked hard on adjusting the timings for this promotion, as well as on the GA, but the GA review was cut short, and yes as what BlueMoonset stated, GAR/re-GAN may appear soon seen here so yea. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:21, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: In ALT1 above, is it seriously intended to call "Buckingham Palace" just "Buckingham"? I hope it is an error, as it is not a usable form. Could you please clarify? Thanks DBaK (talk) 08:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  @DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered: Yes, I did intend it to be put that way because it sounded more quirky lol. But if the word Palace is in there it kind of gives away the quirkyness. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 08:37, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  @Vincent60030: OK and thanks so much for the reply. It's your nom and I am not going to put up a big fight but I would like to note that I really really hate it! Sorry. :) I think it sounds not quirky, but simply like you don't know the difference. It is not something that someone ever says for the palace, so it makes you sound, ermm, ignorant (sorry, sorry, this is getting terribly rude!) or like a visitor from overseas who doesn't know the difference or contracts things they don't understand. The quirk doesn't work - it falls flat. It would be like saying "The Heath" for "Heathrow" or something ... the meaning just isn't there. Just nooooooo. Gosh, I am sorry, I am going on like my Granny – not a good thing. I have had my say and will now stfu as I understand the young people charmingly put it. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  @DBaK: more like I should be the one feeling sorry that I hurt your feelings. I didn't mean to as all I go for is quirkyness which kinda disregarded cultural forbidden omissions. I do admit that I would do the same for DYKs of my local area but I am sure there can be a compromise. We'll see how it goes as I am not a British expert and I guess I am not in a position to even comment about it. How about I ask for some opinions from @Redrose64 and Ritchie333:? Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 09:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  To add on to this, well I do know Buckingham is a place name so I wouldn't say I haven't a clue but...I guess I apologise. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 09:20, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  @Vincent60030: absolutely nothing to apologize for here! If anything it should be me, for getting out of my pram about trivia. I wish I had realized you weren't British – I would have been much, much nicer about this! Sorry. And seeing what those two megaexperts think is a brilliant idea – I have the highest respect for their views. If either of them tells me to just shut up and go and put the kettle on I am right there! Thank you for your fantastically civilized approach to this unmajor issue. :) Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  Using simply "Buckingham" is not a good idea, it's not a place nor is it named after a place. Buckingham Palace is named after the Dukes of Buckingham, who until 1761 owned the land upon which the palace was subsequently built. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

  I hope y'all understand that I moved this discussion to below the nomination. What do you think of not mentioning Buckingham at all in an ALT1a? Even quirkier with just Heathrow and Harrods, no, and Ha Ha? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

  ALT1a:... that Heathrow and Harrods are on the Piccadilly line? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

  Personally, I think that ALT4 is by far the most interesting proposed; that various landmarks can be traveled to on a particular transit line has nowhere near the same interest, and I don't see the "quirky" attraction to either of the ALT1 variants. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:53, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

  I'd approve it but wait for the GA proceedings, hopefully to the end of the month. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Piotr Potworowski

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• ... that Piotr Potworowski's paintings and constructions were considered some of the finest works of British art in the 1950s? Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iZTrAAAAMAAJ&dq=isbn%3A9781904537663&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=potworowski

Created by Samdutton (talk). Self-nominated at 10:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC).

• Unfortunately, this was nominated 4 days outside of eligibility. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• I think we can relax the newness rules a bit in this case. Samdutton has relatively little recent experience editing, and hence may not be as familiar with our rules. Plus, at 61 verified hooks, our DYK backlog is quite small. feminist (talk) wear a mask, you stupid bastards 14:58, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
• Despite this, I see that a lot of this article is unsourced. @Samdutton: note that DYK requires each paragraph to have at least one inline citation. Please ensure that everything in this article is sourced and verifiable. feminist (talk) wear a mask, you stupid bastards 15:01, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
• The source of this content is the subject's son. Can I add a citation like that? ('Conversation with the artist's son, xx September 2019', or similar?) (talk)

• @Samdutton: If you obtained the information by personally talking to the subject's son, unfortunately this would fall under original research, and any such content where the only source is the subject's son would have to be removed. You may have better luck if you can get him to publish an article covering what he told you, in which case it would likely be usable as a WP:PRIMARY source. feminist (talk) wear a mask, you stupid bastards 14:32, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Feminist: OK — thanks for the heads-up. I'll ask the subject's son for citations (since the dates, etc., are actually taken from books about the subject rather than from memory). (talk)

• @Samdutton: Great. Add the books as inline citations, and make sure that every paragraph is sourced. feminist (talk) | free Hong Kong 13:09, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Feminist: Added citations provided by the subject's son.

• @Samdutton: Unfortunately some statements still lack citations, such as the last paragraph under the Life section which concerns his death, and the last sentence of the fourth paragraph. Ensure that every statement is sourced. feminist (talk) | free Thailand 11:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 3

A-2 (Michigan county highway)

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• Article history )

• ... that with the designation of County Highway A-2 in 1970, Mrs. Howard "Gene" Temple became "the first woman in the state of Michigan to obtain a highway designation from State Highway Commission"? Source: "Blue Star Highway Gets Additional Road Signs". The Holland Evening Sentinel. May 5, 1970. p. 18. ISSN 1050-4044. OCLC 13440201. Retrieved May 17, 2017 – via Newspapers.com.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ann Bedsole
• Comment: Article was moved to mainspace earlier today by admin Jackmcbarn at my request after deleting a redirect in the way. Imzadi 1979 → 18:23, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace by Imzadi1979 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:23, 3 October 2020 (UTC).

• New enough. Long enough. Free of copyright violations. Earwig is clear. Hook is interesting (IMO) and supported by in line citation to WP:RS. Having personally driven this road (I like blue lines), I am happy to see it get some well deserved recognition. QPQ confirmed. Well done! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but first I removed the unnecessary quoting in the article. The hook can be written:
• ALT0a: ... that with the designation of County Highway A-2 in 1970, Mrs. Howard "Gene" Temple became the first Michigan woman to acquire a highway designation from the State Highway Commission?
• But this fact isn't so interesting; it's just another "first woman" hook and says nothing about the story behind it. It would be more hooky to talk about the motel successfully gaining 50 signs to help people find it. Yoninah (talk) 13:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 4

Portrait of Sir David Webster

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• ... that if the Royal Opera House is to survive it has no alternative but to sell a painting by David Hockney? Source: "Current chief executive Alex Beard said it was "tough call" to sell the picture, but there was no alternative if the organisation was to survive" BBC News - 'Royal Opera House to sell Hockney portrait to raise funds' 4 October 2020

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fratelli tutti

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 13:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC).

• Comment For a variety of reasons, it would be better to rephrase as follows:

• ALT1 ... that the Royal Opera House, London says it has no alternative but to sell a painting by David Hockney if it is to survive? Source: "Current chief executive Alex Beard said it was "tough call" to sell the picture, but there was no alternative if the organisation was to survive" BBC News - 'Royal Opera House to sell Hockney portrait to raise funds' 4 October 2020

Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Interesting painting and destiny, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I prefer the ALT, but think a comma is missing after London, or we could drop London. I am not happy with piping the title of the painting, because the name of the person portrayed would at least connect the ROH to the painting for those who know. No hook reader will get to know about the lonesome tulips and the "icily arrogant" scene ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Comment: Could a WP:FAIRUSE image of the portrait be added to the article? Ivar the Boneful (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

To the article yes, to the nomination no, if you have one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

The image is already in Fair Use on the David Webster (opera manager) article, so it should be ok as Fair Use on this article - why it hasn't been added is unclear. I notice that there is no link back to this article from the David Webster article, and that neither article, not even this one which is actually about the painting, even once give the painting's official title.86.56.21.175 (talk) 14:09, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Comment: This might be the wrong place to say this, but the title of the article should be changed to "Portrait of David Webster". The standard way of naming articles about paintings is to just title them with the name of the painting. In the David Hockney template at the bottom of the article, the title has actually been piped to "Portrait of David Webster", so you know that is what the article should be called, so why not just call it that? 86.56.34.181 (talk) 08:07, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I should have spotted that above. Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

The official title, as given by Christies is "Portrait of Sir David Webster", so that's what the article should be called, and it should be linked in the Hockney template under that name. https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/david-hockney-b-1937-portrait-of-sir-6285715-details.aspx 94.139.29.156 (talk) 07:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I've moved it to its Christie's title...although Hockney signed it 'Sir David Webster with tulips'! There's a magnificent accompanying essay on Christie's which I shall expand the article from. Creating this article led me to start Nicholas Wilder, and I have two more Hockney articles in the pipeline! No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I will also add that as the auction at Christies is on 22 October (in 9 days time), wouldn't it be better to wait until after that, because this article and the hook will be out of date once the work has been sold and the sale price is known.94.139.29.156 (talk) 05:33, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

If we did wait, we could have ".. that the Royal Opera House, London said it had no alternative but to sell a painting by David Hockney for £XM to survive? Johnbod (talk) 15:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, something like that, but as it is the auction that determines the sale price, rather than the ROH deciding what the price will be, I wouldn't word it quite like that. Other things of hooky interest might result from the auction - it might not reach the reserve price or if the buyer's identity is made public, it might be someone interesting, etc. Because of Covid, auctions aren't being held in crowded rooms as they usually are, and the way the auction is held could give rise to interesting hooks e.g." ... a painting by David Hockney, sold to keep the Royal Opera House solvent during the Corona crisis, was auctioned before an [almost] empty room." 94.139.4.117 (talk) 05:44, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I like the last idea! The ROH didn't specify a price. Now what about the article title? The painter should not be in it. We could change that now. For the hook, we can just wait for the reports about the auction. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I adjusted to Portrait of Sir David Webster in the hooks, - Mandarax, could you do your magic for the rest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 5

Act II: The Patents of Nobility (The Turn)

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Jay Electronica

• ... that thirteen years after it was initially announced, Jay Electronica (pictured) released his album Act II: The Patents of Nobility (The Turn) because it leaked online?

• Reviewed: To be done

Created by Nice4What (talk). Self-nominated at 18:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Y Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: Y

QPQ: N - Pending
Overall: Article's age and length check out, hook is interesting and has an adequate amount of sources to back it up, and image doesn't raise any concerns, so once the pending QPQ is taken care of, I'd be happy to give this the clear. Course, it bears mentioning that this is my first DYK review, so a second opinion would be appreciated. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 00:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Giving a second opinion as requested: all stuff appears to check out apart from the still-required QPQ. The only issue I found in the article was the lede wording: should it not be "It was released on" rather than "It released on"? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Ulung Sitepu

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• Article history )

• ... that the Governor of North Sumatra, Ulung Sitepu, donated 2,400 bottles of passion fruit drinks for the Games of the New Emerging Forces? Source: Dahlan, Budiman M. (2016), Ganefo: Olimpiade Kiri di Indonesia, p. 51

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sanders-Trump voters

Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 07:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC).

Article created today, new enough, long enough, hook is interesting, QPQ done. No image used. Please note this is my first time reviewing a DYK so a second opinion is requested. Best, 19jshi (talk) 15:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Giving a second opinion here. The article feels incomplete as there is no information given about his early life or about his life after his sentence was commuted. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Giving this an appropriate tick. On the other hand, no close paraphrasing was found. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: There isn't. There's a video on Youtube that shows him celebrating his 50th wedding anniversary in 1992 in Karo, his place of origin. Unlike other governors in the list of governors of North Sumatra, this guy is just lacking information. There's this book which shows his birthdate, but then again, I'm not quite sure.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 14:20, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

In that case the article may still need to be copyedited and the DoB be added to the article (assuming the book is reliable). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:19, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Well, my main concern about the book is that the book is a primary source, it's a directory of books from a library in USA. And for the copyediting part, what is the main problem? Is it grammar or spelling or something else? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 14:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

For starters, the article sections could probably be renamed, "As the X" sounds weird as an example. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Done Section header fixed. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 10:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

As for the DoB and the book you mentioned, it depends on what context it's mentioned in in the book. If you can't find a better source, maybe it could be left out. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Not sure Do you mean keeping the DoB, or leaving it empty?

Ideally the DOB (and DOD if applicable) should be mentioned in the article if it can be verified. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Done DoB added.

Articles created/expanded on October 6

Nicholas Wilder

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• ... that Nicholas Wilder said that being diagnosed with AIDS was "just one more ... adventure"? Source: "the bad news is that I have AIDS. The good is that I am going to live to be 80. ...I don't feel cheated. I never have. My whole life has been adventure and this is just one more" [https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-05-14-mn-442-story.html Nicholas Wilder; Was Contemporary Art Dealer in L.A., 14 May 1989, Burt A. Folkart, The Los Angeles Times

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 07:53, 13 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: N - Still needed.
Overall: Earwig says 51% but this is acceptable because it mostly involves direct quotations. I added quotation marks to the hook because what he said isn't really objective language. feminist (talk) | free Hong Kong 12:55, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: The ellipsis in such a short quote looks strange. It also doesn't adequately reflect the source, in which he calls his whole life an "adventure". Could this be rephrased:
• ALT0a: ... that Nicholas Wilder said that being diagnosed with AIDS was just another "adventure"? Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• ALT0a works. @No Swan So Fine: QPQ still needed. feminist (talk) | free Thailand 13:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Mats Löfving

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• Article history )

Löfving

• ... that a radio interview with Swedish police chief Mats Löfving (pictured) was reported as "a bombshell"?
  Source: Paulina Neuding, "Sweden’s new epidemic: clan-based crime", in The Spectator (US edition at spectator.us), 17 September 2020: "The interview was a bombshell."

• Reviewed: Danièle Aron-Rosa

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 10 October 2020 (UTC).

• First thing is that I would like to see a little more about how Löfving's statement is deemed partly true according to researchers.[33] Let's tell the reader that Löfving is not entirely off his rocker by suggesting some sort of countermeasures. And we can say that he started a taskforce to fight gangs last November after the brazen killing of a 15-year-old boy which he said was the final straw.[34] Binksternet (talk) 20:36, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

• Otherwise, the photo is public domain, the article's length and date are appropriate, and the referencing is good. The emphasis on the quoted word "all" should be changed to italics rather than capital letters. The hook is properly formatted and supported by article reference. Binksternet (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Binksternet, the word ALL is in capital letters in the quotation. Do you think we should be editing quotations for style? When it comes to “how Löfving's statement is deemed partly true according to researchers“, I am afraid you have lost me. He made a statement which no one seems to have questioned, as a matter of fact. Clearly, saying it was controversial. Are you suggesting that controversial statements can’t be reported without “researchers” investigating whether they are “partly true” or not? If you think something like that is in the DYK Rules, or in any guidance, please give a link. Moonraker (talk) 11:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

The style guide says that we commonly edit quotations to fit Wikipedia's house style. Regarding the word ALL in all-caps, MOS:CONFORM says that direct quotes containing all caps "should generally be normalized to plain text. If it clearly indicates emphasis, use italic emphasis." One method of italic emphasis is the HTML emphasis tag, coded as <em>...</em>. The style guide MOS:ALLCAPS gives a variation of the same advice: "Do not write with all capitals for emphasis; italics are preferred..." The latter guide also offers a kind of bolding option with Template:Strong or HTML strong tags. I think italics are easier.

For the controversial statement by Löfving, I'm just looking for more information, to add more viewpoints and analysis, to get more neutrality in the article. The only DYK rule of concern is 4a, asking for neutrality. Binksternet (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Houkje Gerrits Bouma

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Bouma (right) skating with ‘obscene’ bare arms

• ... that after Houkje Gerrits Bouma won one of the earliest women's speed skating competitions in 1809, women's speed races were not held because skating with bare arms was seen as obscene? Source: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/SK-A-5020 “ Baur schilderde de finalisten met hun blote armen, een afgeworpen mantel op het ijs. De weinig verhullende kleding zorgde voor veel ophef en daarom was het voorlopig de laatste vrouwenwedstrijd.“ (in Dutch)
  • ALT1:... that ...?

Created and moved from Draft space to main space by SportsOlympic (talk). Self-nominated at 17:46, 6 October 2020 (UTC).

• The article is new enough and long enough at 1,801 characters by my count. I'll AGF on the hook reference since I can't read Dutch-language sources, but a few problems prevent me from being able to approve the page for DYK at the moment. First, the article doesn't really support the hook fact. It says the bare arms "caused a commotion", but that just means it received attention. This doesn't back the claim that the act was thought to be obscene. Second, the last sentence is unsourced; a reference should be added to cover this part. Third, two of the four references include unreliable links. Ref 3 includes a Facebook summary, which as a Facebook page is not a reliable source. Print books are reliable sources, so I see no need to even include that link. Ref 4 is to WikiTree, which isn't reliable because it is user-edited like Wikipedia. The sourcing will have to be improved before this gets a check mark. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:15, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  • CommentThanks! All have been solved. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 8

Maulana Abul Kalam Azad Trophy, National Sports Awards, Rashtriya Khel Protsahan Puruskar, List of Tenzing Norgay National Adventure Award recipients

• ( Review or comment )

• ( Article history links: Maulana Abul Kalam Azad Trophy
• National Sports Awards
• Rashtriya Khel Protsahan Puruskar
• List of Tenzing Norgay National Adventure Award recipients )

• ... that the annual Indian sports awards ceremony at the Presidential Palace includes awards for adventure, top performing university and sports promotion? Source: National Sports Awards 2019 announced, National Sports Awards 2020 announced

• Reviewed: Louise Elisabeth Coldenhoff, Dayahang Rai filmography, Folker Bohnet, Edward G. Faile
• Comment: List of Tenzing Norgay National Adventure Award recipients has been added later. Note that this article was created on 27-September-2020 not following "the 7 day rule". However as per D9 criteria, I believe its eligible as the backlogs of the hooks is quite manageable right now. Also it makes the hook more interesting. The rest 3 articles follow all the DYK rules. If the reviewer or promoter does not feel that the above article can be allowed, then review for the rest 3 articles and the hook without the word adventure.

Created by Roller26 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC).

• Comment: @Roller26: if you were a first-time nominator, there would be room for leniency on the date. But as you have enough DYK credits to be doing QPQs, I don't think it's appropriate to allow an 18-day lead time for the nomination of List of Tenzing Norgay National Adventure Award recipients. You could include it in the hook without a bolded link. Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah:, I am not asking for any leniency, though its understandable for a first-time nominator. I thought that the 7 day rule, was pretty stone set until I chanced upon the D9 criteria in the Supplementary guidelines, which doesn't mention a first-time nominator. As I have mentioned in the comment above that I have added the List of Tenzing Norgay National Adventure Award recipients later after the nomination and it can be not allowed by a reviewer or promoter. I just included it as it makes the hook a little more interesting. Also I am not experienced enough to understand what "large backlog of hooks" as mentioned in D9 truly means. But seeing as we are only running on 1 set of hooks per day and also that very few hooks haven't been reviewed atleast once in the nominations section, I felt that currently we don't seem to have a case of "large backlog of hooks". However the final decision to include or not include it, lies with you and any other senior contributor. Roller26 (talk) 17:10, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• Honestly, I have no idea what D9 is doing there, especially if it could be argued that an 18-day-old article qualifies because we have a backlog of unreviewed hooks. I'd like to bring this up at WT:DYK. Yoninah (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 9

William H. Robbins

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• Article history )

• ... that William H. Robbins was a NASA engineer and project manager who worked on the NERVA nuclear rocket engine, NASA wind turbines, communication satellites, and the Shuttle-Centaur program? Source: "He was a Scientist-Project Manager who has a distinguished 38 year career at NASA while working on Nuclear Power, Nuclear Rocket engines, Wind Power, Communication Satellites, and the Shuttle/Centaur Program " ([35])
  • ALT1: ... that NASA engineer William H. Robbins worked on what was the world's largest windmill when it was dedicated in 1979? Source: "He worked early domestic Wind Power projects during the early eighties installing a 2 MW Wind Turbine in North Carolina " ([36]), "On July 11, 1979, the town of Boone celebrated the dedication of what was then hailed as the world’s largest windmill. The windmill, perched atop Howard’s Knob, had been installed as part of a program by NASA and the U.S. Department of Energy to develop wind power as a renewable energy source in response to the country's dependence on petroleum during the 1970s OPEC oil embargo and resulting gasoline shortages." ([37])
  • ALT2:... that NASA engineer William H. Robbins was in charge of a project that won an Emmy Award? Source: You can see him with the Emmy on page 218 of [38] I didn't nominate this hook in the first place because his obit says he won the Emmy in 1985, but the NASA sources confirm that it was in 1987.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kathy Karpan

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC).

• Article is new (9 Oct), long enough (3686 characters), and within policy (referenced, no copyvios, etc). The article image is fair use, so can't be used here. The main issue is that the hook reads like a list, it would be better to pick one (or several connected) projects that he worked on, and focus on that. @Hawkeye7: could you propose an ALT please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
• The hook, even if pared down to a single accomplishment, is also very, very dull. A hook should "catch" the attention of readers not familiar with the subject, not simply state facts. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I've supplied a couple of ALT hooks. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:28, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
    • @Hawkeye7: Getting there. On ALT1, it would be better to specify the year. On ALT2, it says in the article that he received the award on behalf of NASA, and it's not clear that he received it for a project he was in charge of. Also, perhaps @Animalparty: is more awake now? ;-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
    • In my opinion Alt 1 is the most interesting, but it seems a bit misleading to bury the basis of the hook among references: the article text states "wind turbine", not windmill. Either the hook or the article prose should be modified appropriately, perhaps place "windmill" in quotes, as a wind turbine is similar but not exactly the same as a windmill, though they may be called such colloquially. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Tweaked the wording it the article to make it clearer for ALT2, and the hook of ALT1 to add the year it was dedicated. Per Windmill: A windmill is a structure that converts wind power into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails or blades, specifically to mill grain (gristmills), but the term is also extended to windpumps, wind turbines and other applications. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
        • @Hawkeye7: I'm OK with ALT2 after your article changes. With ALT1, please propose changes as a new ALT rather than changing the existing one. I also think you could make the sentence much shorter now (something like 'worked on the world's largest windmill in 1979'). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 11

Herr, wir bringen in Brot und Wein

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• Article history )

• ... that only the refrain of "Herr, wir bringen in Brot und Wein", a 1970 offertory hymn based on a Dutch model, appeared in the 1975 Gotteslob, but the complete text in the second edition in 2013? Source: several

• Reviewed: Fanfare (ballet)
• Comment: Sorry, I missed it by a day.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I have one problem with the third paragraph of the History section, where it says that in the Eucharist the bread stands for a necessity for survival and the wine for enjoyment. Forgive me; I am only familiar with the King James bible which says something different. I think that other readers may be puzzled too. Please could you clarify further in the text about where this information comes from, e.g. perhaps you could add at the beginning of the para: "The German Catholic Church teaches that ...", or Dr Thomas Weisser has exegesised that ...", or "the song's text says that ..."? The hook is cited, partly online and partly offline (taken AGF). The hook has 192 characters, within the length limit. Storye book (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports, List of National Sports Award recipients in athletics, List of National Sports Award recipients in hockey, List of National Sports Award recipients in wrestling, List of National Sports Award recipients in boxing, List of National Sports Award recipients in shooting, List of National Sports Award recipients in badminton, List of National Sports Award recipients in non-Olympic sports, List of National Sports Award recipients in cricket, List of National Sports Award recipients in parasports

• ( Review or comment )

• ( Article history links: List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports
• List of National Sports Award recipients in athletics
• List of National Sports Award recipients in hockey
• List of National Sports Award recipients in wrestling
• List of National Sports Award recipients in boxing
• List of National Sports Award recipients in shooting
• List of National Sports Award recipients in badminton
• List of National Sports Award recipients in non-Olympic sports
• List of National Sports Award recipients in cricket
• List of National Sports Award recipients in parasports )

• ... that most Indian national sports awards have been given in Olympic sports such as athletics, hockey, wrestling, boxing, shooting, and badminton, and in non-Olympic sports such as cricket and parasports? Source: multiple sources

• Comment: 10 reviews as per QPQ coming

Created by Roller26 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC).

• Before we go any further with this, please may I request that the word, "Indian", is included in all of these article page names? This is an international site, and I'm guessing that if you don't include "Indian", anyone reading any of those pagenames will at first think that it refers to their own country. You would need to ask an administrator to move the pages to new titles for you. Storye book (talk) 15:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Tomasz Jędrowski

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• Article history )

• ... that Swimming In the Dark by debut novelist Tomasz Jędrowski is a gay love story set in the twilight of Communist Poland that makes frequent allusions to Giovanni's Room by James Baldwin?

Created by Nigetastic (talk). Self-nominated at 12:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC).

• Comment. While it technically passes (date, size, copyvio, hook, etc.) please see Talk:Tomasz_Jędrowski#Notability. I am not sure if the subject is notable. We should discuss this first, putting this on hold. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
• strong oppose - putting it at the Main Page of wikipedia is a shameless misuse of wikipedia for promotion of a book fresh out of print. By the way "technically" has turned DYK into a travesty. DYK was intended to be collection of interesting jewels, morsels of knowledge. An now we have collection of pointless factoids. I stopped looking at this section of Main Page long time ago. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Staszek Lem: Frankly, I don't mind promoting as a side-product, IF the topic is notable. Wikipedia should not be used only for promotion, but if it is a byproduct of creating an entry on a notable topic, where's the harm? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:48, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

  Wikipedia notability and real-life notability are different animals. And this book is an artificial hype. Not to say that the article is of questionable notability even by Wikipedia standards. Staszek Lem (talk) 12:18, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 12

The Green Pastures (Hallmark Hall of Fame)

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• Article history )

Newspaper advertisement for The Green Pastures

• ... the all-black television play The Green Pastures (pictured) was criticized in Alabama for having "bowed to the inverted prejudice which insists that Negroes shall never be portrayed as Negroes"? Source: Here: "The characters have been divested of their Negro traits and manners ... the producers had bowed to the inverted prejudice that Negroes shall never be portrayed as Negroes.""
  • ALT1:... Source:

• Reviewed: Hadassah (dancer)

Created/expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: Y
• Interesting: N - ?
• Other problems: N - ?

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Y Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article is fine. I am not comfortable with seeing the N-word in the hook, even though (if I understand correctly) the hook is being used to expose an old historical complaint, about a play which did not portray stereotyped people on TV. Again if I understand the source correctly, the writer is saying that they didn't enjoy the TV version of the play because in their culture stereotyping was considered cute, and they missed seeing something cute when the stereotyping was cut out. So, that writer was just thinking about their own type of enjoyment, and not about that fact that stereotyping for entertainment is a form of exploitation which can lead to racial abuse. I guess that the two main problems in the hook are that the hook doesn't make clear that the writer is wrong to talk like this, and that probably most of us don't want to see the N-word. However, there are other reviews, and some of them say nice things. Can we find an acceptable review to use in a hook? Maybe praise of William Warfield's acting? Storye book (talk) 16:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

There are, of course, positive reviews of the program, but a hook simply reciting praise for the production is not IMO nearly as striking, interesting, or "hooky" as the review criticizing the production for failing to abide by then-common racial stereotyping in portrayal of African-American characters. I think it entirely appropriate, and indeed important, to use the word "Negroes" in the hook to convey accurately the prevailing attitudes in Southern culture in the 1950s. It has often and accurately been said that we must truthfully confront our history of racial injustice before we can repair its legacy. Cbl62 (talk) 18:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

"Nigger" is the racist slur. "Negro" is somewhat outdated in today's vernacular, but during the 1950s to at least 1970s, "Negro" was the polite term used for persons of color, such as the United Negro College Fund, or the old Negro league baseball. The last decade or two, we've gone through a whole whirlwind of terminology for any group of human beings. As far as racism, nobody used "Nigger" more flagrantly that black comedians, such as Redd Fox calling other black people "niggers" - in that era, it was OK for black people to call each other that, as long as white people never used it. The above is a 1950s quote, and Wikipedia does not censor. And given that the above quote comes from a review of an all-black production, I don't see it as racist. — Maile (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Tentative suggestion: maybe adding the date will give the quote that historic context? "...the 1957 all-black television play..." ? Schazjmd (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• (Edit conflict): You are right in your intentions, but the hook is not clear enough about it. Analysis: the sentence says that an unknown critic of unknown race or attitude told the people who put up the play that they should not not not not stereotype the characters in the play. The first "not" is "criticised". The second and third "not"s are "inverted prejudice". The fourth "not" is "never". "Stereotype" is "portrayed as". It took me a while to carefully work that out. A hook should work instantly. In that instant, anyone could pick up the wrong number of negatives and take the hook the wrong way. That sort of construction is fine in context within the article, but not fine as a hook, and I would say not fine in the present fraught public situation where I believe we must be clear about what we say. Your intention is honourable, but this hook just teases the reader. Storye book (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I am fine with Schazjmd's suggestion clarifying the time period and thus propose the following:

* alt 1 ... the 1957 all-black television play The Green Pastures (pictured) was criticized in Alabama for having "bowed to the inverted prejudice which insists that Negroes shall never be portrayed as Negroes"?

Or alternately to clarify the identity of the critic

* alt2 ... that The Green Pastures (pictured) was critiqued in the white Southern press of 1957 for having "bowed to the inverted prejudice which insists that Negroes shall never be portrayed as Negroes"? Cbl62 (talk) 20:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, Cbl62. I am happy with ALT2 because the date and ID of the critic helps the reader to quickly work out that the quotation is racist. That is important, because outside the US, the expression "inverted prejudice" is likely to be new to a lot of people. I remember the antisemitism of my grandparents' generation, going back to the 19th century when they were born. I remember the general racism (but not including antisemitism following WWII) of my parents' generation. I remember the Civil Rights movement arriving in the UK in the 60s, affecting the educated youth, but I'm afraid not so much the less-educated youth in that decade. We have the expression "inverted snobbery" referring to class, but I don't remember ever hearing "inverted prejudice" or people needing to act that way - although maybe "inverted prejudice" was a concept invented by US anti-liberals? I am explaining this to demonstrate why some people outside the US have to make an effort to work out what that phrase could mean, and why ALT2 is is acceptable to me, and ALTs 0 and 1 are not. As for the above explanation of what the N-word is in the US, I think that probably both words are treated as N-words in the UK because both words are associated with colonialism and slavery here. Storye book (talk) 08:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• ALT2 has 182 characters incl. spaces and without "pictured", so it is within the length limit. Storye book (talk) 08:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Dilys Price

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• Article history )

• ... that Dilys Price was the world's oldest female solo parachute jumper? Source: [39])

• Reviewed: Tom Pope

5x expanded by MerielGJones (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 11:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC).

• Hi, Ritchie333 and MerielGJones, review follows: New enough, long enough, QPQ is good, hook is verifiable, interesting enough, no evidence of copyvio. Sourcing in the article is a bit iffy, I cannot find her birth date sourced anywhere, the cited source for After parachuting for 32 years, Price stopped doing solo jumps when she was aged 86. Her parachute jumps raised thousands of pounds for charity. [40] is a profile of her when she was 85, so cannot source her stopping when she was 86. That's just a check of two, I'd like to see them resolved. this might be a good source to incorporate, not sure whether there's any good info. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I might suggest expanding the hook to

• ALT1 ... that Dilys Price, who was the world's oldest female solo parachute jumper, conducted over 1,139 solo jumps before retiring at the age of [AGE when you verify it]?

--Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Eddie891: The date of birth is verifiable to Guinness World Records official Twitter feed. I'm always a little uncomfortable about citing something only to Twitter, though, what do you think? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:46, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Eddie891: @Ritchie333: The date of birth is in the Guinness World Records page (8th reference in the reflist) as well as their Twitter feed.MerielGJones (talk) 11:17, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok that seems good enough. How about her age at retirement? Was it 85 or 86? MerielGJones. Best, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:47, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

@Eddie891: @Ritchie333: OK, I have added citation to the Guinness Record webpage at the start of the article, as evidence of date of birth and parchute jump. In ref 3 (BBC obit) it says she gave away her parachute aged 86. I have therefore cited it after the sentence 'After parachuting for 32 years, Price stopped doing solo jumps when she was aged 86. ' (She did at least one tandem jump after this, and others have done tandem jumps aged up to 102. Dilys Price's record is for a solo parachute jump.) I have also now changed the wording about when she stopped solo jumps. After thinking about it, if she had made a solo jump after the one when she was 80 years and 315 days old, that later jump would be the record. 'After the 2013 jump, Price stopped doing solo jumps and sold her parachute when she was aged 86.' (Also moved sentence about oxygen assisted jump to keep things in time order.) OK? MerielGJones (talk) 21:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Articles created/expanded on October 13

Expulsion of Istanbul Greeks (1964–1965)

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that the expulsion of Istanbul Greeks in 1964–1965 was part of the final phase of state measures aimed at the turkification of the local economic, social and cultural life?

Source: "Kaliber, Alper (2019). "Re-engaging the Self/other Problematic in Post-positivist International Relations: The 1964 Expulsion of Greeks from Istanbul Revisited". Southeast European and Black Sea Studies. 19 (3): 10. doi:10.1080/14683857.2019.1651082. ISSN 1468-3857. S2CID 201349840. Retrieved 15 September 2020. The expulsion of Istanbul Greeks in 1964 constituted the final stage of Turkish governments’ deliberate moves since 1914 to Turkify the economic, societal and cultural life in the country., p. 18: "The expulsion of the Greeks of Istanbul began in 1964 and continued into 1965. However, I will use the phrase ‘the expulsion of the Greeks of Istanbul in 1964"

Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: N - Not done
Overall: All fine, except that the QPQ is pending. (I should add that I have copyedited the article; a minor edit not affecting content, which should not affect the review.)

Reception of war criminals

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• Article history )

• ... that in the former Yugoslavia, convicted war criminals are glorified as heroes? Source: https://www.dw.com/en/hero-worship-and-villain-worship-in-the-balkans/a-46341120 https://balkaninsight.com/2020/10/12/a-hero-returns-how-freed-war-criminals-are-glorified-in-kosovo/ https://balkaninsight.com/2018/12/27/serbia-unrepentant-war-criminals-enjoy-public-spotlight-12-21-2018/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/United Kingdom-India bus routes ‎

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:30, 14 October 2020 (UTC).

• Given the nature of the subject and the wording of the hook, this nomination probably needs a very close look and perhaps reviews by more than one editor. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• I will quote sources here. Note, all the news sources are hard news, not opinion pieces:

Sources

Brammertz, who was interviewed during a visit to Serbia, warned that in some countries, convicted war criminals are considered heroes and glorified by politicians, and war crimes are still being denied, sending out negative signals to potential witnesses. “We cannot change the political reality, we cannot change the fact that in this country [Serbia], as in others, there are politicians who celebrate war criminals, which is an insult to the victims of these crimes, but we hope that there are enough politicians in positions who will support this process,” he said. — Serge Brammertz, chief prosecutor at the Mechanism for International Criminal Tribunals, https://balkaninsight.com/2019/05/24/balkan-states-backsliding-on-war-crime-cases-hague-prosecutor-warns/ Politicians on all sides undermine judicial accountability for war crimes and support glorification of war criminals as heroes. — Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-balkans-icty-legacy/u-n-war-crimes-tribunal-urges-balkan-leaders-to-carry-on-its-work-idUSKBN19F0J0 War criminals are still glorified across ex-Yugoslavia. ... Unfortunately, political elites in other ex-Yugoslav states [besides Serbia] are just as quick to embrace their own war criminals. In September 2018, Defense Minister Damir Krsticevic greeted "General Mirko Norac" at an event marking an anniversary of a Croatian wartime operation, Medacki Dzep, to the cheers of those attending. Norac had been stripped of his rank after being sentenced for war crimes... In Bosnia, supporters of suspected war criminal Atif Dudakovic took to the streets to protest his arrest in April this year. The popular general and 16 of his aides are charged with killing over 300 people, abuse of civilians and prisoners, and destroying dozens of Serb churches and religious buildings. Dudakovic has not yet been convicted, despite a video recording showing him ordering his soldiers to execute two prisoners "on the spot."... In Kosovo, the state's parliament held a minute of silence to mark the death of convicted war criminal Haradin Bala in February this year. — Deutsche Welle https://www.dw.com/en/hero-worship-and-villain-worship-in-the-balkans/a-46341120 The glorification of one's own crimes and the contempt for victims of others is a common denominator of sociopolitical existence in post-Yugoslavian societies. — Branko Sekulić, Occasional Papers on Religion in Eastern Europe https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2190&context=ree Many Serbs consider Krajisnik and other Bosnian Serb wartime officials as heroes despite the U.N. war crimes convictions against them. — AP https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-yugoslav-wars-the-hague-war-crimes-virus-outbreak-9d39e147fe9d6cfcb6894f6f73510357 There is no legal obstacle to war criminals holding public office in Kosovo after they serve their sentences, and senior officials have repeatedly given them jobs, attended ceremonies in their honour and praised them as role models. — Balkan Insight https://balkaninsight.com/2020/10/12/a-hero-returns-how-freed-war-criminals-are-glorified-in-kosovo/ Despite mounting criticism, Croatian President Zoran Milanovic has presented an award to a Bosnian Croat war crimes suspect, decorating a wartime Croat police unit for their “contribution to the liberation of Croatia”. — Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/8/5/croatian-president-presents-award-to-war-crimes-suspect The disheartening outcome of the legal proceedings [of the ICTY] seems to have enabled the rise of hate speech,, genocide denial, the glorification of convicted war criminals,, and the suppression of memorials for the victims in Republika Srpska... In addition to the explicit denial of the Srebrenica genocide, there is an ongoing glorification of convicted war criminals, through memorials, commemorative plaques, and the dedication of buildings. — David Pettigrew, Mandate Interrupted: The Problematic Legacy of the United Nations International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, 19 Wash. U. GLOBAL Stud. L. REV. 381 (2020). https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/wasglo19&div=20&id=&page= the glorification of ICTY indictees makes it all the more difficult for Serbian citizens to honestly assess the crimes for which these individuals stand accused, let alone their state’s complicity therein. — Spoerri, M. (2011). Justice Imposed: How Policies of Conditionality Effect Transitional Justice in the Former Yugoslavia. Europe-Asia Studies, 63(10), 1827–1851. doi:10.1080/09668136.2011.618682 Additionally, the trials were used by Serbian politicians to glorify war criminals... — Stephanie C. Edwards, Healing and Peacebuilding after War: Transforming Trauma in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Routledge 2020 https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=8M3nDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT87&dq=glorification+war+crimes+Yugoslavia&ots=rQ_PksK-0u&sig=bfeqKasDt3zRfsVC1OEJU5x7tDQ#v=onepage&q=glorification%20war%20crimes%20Yugoslavia&f=false In Republic Srpksa and Serbia today, popular culture canonizes Karadžic. Children sign rhymes that glorify the war criminal, and the Serbian Orthodox Church considers sanctifying him. — Doubt, K. (2007). Scapegoating and the Simulation of Mechanical Solidarity in Former Yugoslavia: “Ethnic Cleansing” and the Serbian Orthodox Church. Humanity & Society, 31(1), 65–82. doi:10.1177/016059760703100105 In Croatia, the real obstacle is the absurd conviction, nursed for nearly two decades, that the Croatian army cannot be guilty of war crimes because it was defending the nation. This has had a very important consequence: that war criminals are regarded as war heroes. — Slavenka Drakulić, https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=147622

• (t · c) buidhe 14:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• I think with such a controversial hook, either sourcing needs to be given for all current subdivisions of the former Yugoslavia, or the hook needs to be more specific and less expansive. Does this happen in Slovenia, Macedonia, and/or Montenegro? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• BlueMoonset: Thanks for your comment. Here is a source for Macedonia[41] (elected to Parliament and called a hero). I can't find any for Slovenia or Montengro, probably because ethnic Slovenes and Montenegrins did not commit as many war crimes, which is why the hook doesn't say "all countries in the former Yugoslavia". It would be possible to focus on the worst offenders, Republika Srpska and Serbia, but I didn't want to be partisan since this also happens in most other ex-Yugoslav countries.
• An alternative would be a hook that doesn't focus on Yugoslavia. But I thought it would be considered an easter egg: (t · c) buidhe 02:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Tomb of Talaat Pasha in the cemetery of Monument of Liberty, Istanbul

• ALT1 ... that the architect of the Armenian genocide, Talaat Pasha, is buried under a monument dedicated to "heroes of the fatherland"? Source: https://archive-ouverte.unige.ch/unige:104682

Articles created/expanded on October 15

2020 Northern Cypriot presidential election

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that Mustafa Akıncı, the incumbent President of Northern Cyprus, claimed he was threatened by Turkish authorities in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election? Source: [42]

• Reviewed: to be completed
• Comment: Expansion started on 15/10 and finished on 16/10. This was initially a candidate for WP:ITN/C, but since it's clear it's not going to be posted there, I'm attempting this.

5x expanded by GGT (talk). Self-nominated at 23:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

Sandister Tei

Sandister Tei

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that Sandister Tei (pictured) was the first female Ghanan Wikipedian to attend Wikimania? Source: "Sandister Tei of Ghana was one such attendees and the first female Ghanaian representative ever at a Wikimania conference." ([43])
• ... ALT1: that Sandister Tei (pictured) was named the Wikimedian of the Year for 2020? Source: ([44])

• Reviewed: John F. Yardley
• Comment: I'm no good at hooks. Hopefully somebody else can suggest a better one.

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk), Ritchie333 (talk), Enock4seth (talk), and TJMSmith (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 16:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

• Added an obvious ALT hook. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• While the hooks are probably interesting to Wikipedia users and enthusiasts, aren't both hooks rather WP:NAVELy? Maybe something could also be said about her non-Wikimedian career? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Chilocorus orbus, Quadraspidiotus juglansregiae

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• ( Article history links: Chilocorus orbus
• Quadraspidiotus juglansregiae )

• ... that the twice-stabbed lady beetle preys on the walnut scale? Source: "Two predators—the twicestabbed lady beetle, Chilocorus orbus, and another small beetle, Cybocephalus californicus —often occur in large numbers and may control low numbers of the walnut scale."

• Reviewed: Far future in fiction
• Comment: This QPQ is a two article hook

Created/expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

• Hi Cwmhiraeth, review follows:

Chilocorus orbus: 5x expansion from 15 October; article is well written and cited inline throughout; I am not familiar with some of the sources used but happy to AGF that they are reliable for this field; I didn't find any issues with overly close paraphrasing form the sources used; my only issue with this article is that the fact that it is named for the red slashes on its back is not cited, I also like to stick quite rigidly to WP:LEAD in that it shouldn't contain information not in the main text

Quadraspidiotus juglansregiae: new article created 18 October; meets length requirement; article is well written and cited inline throughout; sources all look to be reliable; no issues with overly close paraphrasing found;

Hook: I find the hook interesting based on the common names of the insects, if desired more interest might be generated by mentioning the "alligator-like" larvae which also prey on the walnut scale; hook is mentioned in both articles and checks out to the source cited; a double QPQ has been provided. Looks good to me. If the minor issue with the ladybird article (source for common naming) can be sorted then this is can be ticked - Dumelow (talk) 10:58, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Dayahang Rai filmography

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Dayahang Rai

• ... that the film roles of Nepali actor Dayahang Rai (pictured) include a crime boss, an anti-regime partisan Maoist, the suspected killer of Madan Bhandari, a police officer, and a bank robber?

• Reviewed: Reactive transport modeling in porous media

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 20:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New Enough: Y Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Y Used in article: Y Clear at 100px: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Would appreciate if next time, you put up the sources for the hook here in the nomination itself rather than making the reviewer hunt for them in the article. Also there is no need for wikilinking crime boss, police officer and bank robber in the hook. These are common words understood by most readers. Also I think there is a lot of adjective before Maoist and Madan Bhandari can be written as popular communist leader. My suggestion ALT0a: ... that the film roles of Nepali actor Dayahang Rai (pictured) include a crime boss, a Maoist, the suspected killer of a popular communist leader, a police officer, and a bank robber? Roller26 (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

• Roller26, I have added my QPQ. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 11:45, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• CAPTAIN MEDUSA, what about the hook? Roller26 (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Roller26, Sounds good. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 11:29, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on October 16

Stefania Berlinerblau

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• ... that Stefania Berlinerblau was one of the first Jewish-American women who practiced surgery in the United States? Source: " in the late 1800s Fanny Berlin became one of the first Jewish women to practice surgery in the United States." (Judith Chasin [45])
  • ALT1:... that pioneering American surgeon Stefania Berlinerblau worked at the New England Hospital for Women and Children, the only hospital that accepted female physicians in Boston in the late 1800s? Source: " in the late 1800s Fanny Berlin became one of the first Jewish women to practice surgery in the United States... Women doctors were not able to practice in other hospitals in Boston." (Judith Chasin [46])

• Reviewed: Adalet Cimcoz

Created/expanded by Darwin Naz (talk). Self-nominated at 21:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

MeleTOP

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Neelofa and Nabil on MeleTOP

• ... that when co-host Neelofa announced live on air that she was leaving talk show MeleTOP it was a surprise to her co-host of eight years?Source: https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/national/supernumbershowbiz-i-have-to-let-go-of-one-in-order-to-acquire-another-%e2%80%93-neelofa-bids-adieu-to-meletop/ar-BBXHWeo "Neelofa announced her departure from the show during its live telecast today. The news took the audience by surprise, including Nabil."
  • ALT1:... that two of the main entertainment awards from the MeleTOP television show were won by one of the show co-hosts? Source: https://www.malaymail.com/news/showbiz/2018/04/17/neelofa-thankful-over-fans-support-during-troublesome-period/1621008 "Last week, she picked up four awards during the Anugerah MeleTOP Era 2018 ...[including]... the Top Top Meletop award — the main award for a female celebrity. ... “I know a lot of Malaysians out there are questioning my win. They are claiming that I was the host and that they set me up to win everything. It’s unfair for them to say that because this is my fifth time hosting the event and only the second year I’ve won..."

• Reviewed: Callaway Arts & Entertainment
• Comment: The image isn't actually of the moment when she announces she's leaving (they stopped putting episodes under Creative Commons by then), it's just a representative shot of them together, before she started wearing hijab.

Created/expanded by GRuban (talk). Self-nominated at 17:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC).

General Electric Building

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General Electric Building

• ... that the RCA Victor Building (pictured) became the General Electric Building after RCA moved to the RCA Building, later the GE Building? Source: (1) Balfour, Alan (1978). Rockefeller Center: Architecture as Theater. New York: McGraw-Hill, Inc. p. 19. (2) Hampson, Rick (May 22, 1993). "N.Y. building name changes confusing". Las Vegas Review Journal. Associated Press. p. 13b.
  • ALT1:... that the facade of the General Electric Building (pictured) was meant to blend in with the adjacent St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church? Source: New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission; Dolkart, Andrew S.; Postal, Matthew A. (2009). Postal, Matthew A. (ed.). Guide to New York City Landmarks (4th ed.). New York: John Wiley & Sons. p. 119.
  • ALT2:... that the General Electric Building's tip contains Gothic tracery with four electric deities atop the roof? Source: same as ALT1
  • ALT3:... that the RCA Victor Building was only occupied by RCA for two years? Source: (1) "RCA Moving Uptown; Radio Corporation Will Occupy Three Floors at 570 Lexington Av". The New York Times. April 24, 1931. (2) "R.C.A. Chiefs to Move to Rockefeller Plaza; National Broadcasting Co. to Follow Later". The New York Times. June 2, 1933.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trump House
• Comment: QPQ pending. I will think of more alt hooks later, but for ALT2, maybe File:570 Lexington Avenue2.JPG will do.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 23:42, 16 October 2020 (UTC).

Corybantic Games

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• ... that the title of the ballet Corybantic Games is a reference to the Corybants in Greek Mythology, even though the music was inspired by Plato's Symposium? Source: "Not to be confused with Corbynites, the Corybants were the dancing worshippers of the Phrygian goddess Cybele." ([47]) "But rather than referencing the text that inspired Bernstein’s music – Plato’s Symposium on Love – Wheeldon conjures a more generic classical world of athletes, acolytes and lovers, presided over by Tierney Heap as an Amazonian goddess." ([48])
  • ALT1:... that the ballet Corybantic Games marked the first time Erdem Moralıoğlu designed for men? Source: "This week has been tied up with fittings for the ballet — a five-month project for which he is costuming 24 ballet dancers, including men for the very first time" ([49])

• Reviewed: Hideaway (U.S. Senate)
• Comment: None of the sources explicitly mentioned Greek mythology, but the first line of the Corybants (Korybantes) Wiki article mentions Greek mythology and the description matches the sources so I went with that. I think ALT1 has to be rephrased, just not sure how.

Created by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 21:53, 16 October 2020 (UTC).

Hideaway (U.S. Senate)

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A hideaway in the United States Capitol

• ... that some members of the United States Congress are assigned secret offices called hideaways (example pictured) where they can take naps and entertain mistresses?

• ALT-1: ... that some members of the United States Congress are assigned secret offices called hideaways (example pictured) whose locations are sometimes unknown even to their own staff?
• Reviewed: ForthcomingTemplate:Did you know nominations/Patricia Haynes Smith

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 17:52, 16 October 2020 (UTC).

• @Chetsford: Article new enough, long enough, sourced, neutral and plagiarism free. The image is free, used in article and clear. Hook is interesting but next time please attach the hook here rather than making the reviewer search it in the article. QPQ not done. Corachow (talk) 21:42, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Did you know § Hideaway (U.S. Senate)

Pinging nominator Chetsford. Need feedback from the community here.

First of all, I have concerns that the tone of the article is more tabloid than encyclopedic. We have some BLP issues in that article. What specifically jumped out at me was, "Senator Bob Packwood, meanwhile, is alleged to have sexually assaulted a woman in his hideaway" I don't even see Packwood's name in the source: 1 I went to Bob Packwood that claims, "a Washington Post story detailed claims of sexual abuse and assault from ten women", but the Washington Post source says, "unwanted sexual advances as reported by 10 women, mainly former staff members and lobbyists."2 There's an ocean of difference between "unwanted sexual advances" and "sexual abuse and assault"

Just removed from the article by another editor was an external link "An image of Joe Biden in his hideaway", which was nothing more than Biden sitting in a chair in front of a table, with no one else visible.

Feedback, anyone? — Maile (talk) 23:59, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree that it needs some attention and, being both political and non-encyclopedic in tone, is not fit for DYK at present. Kingsif (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Both the article and the hook are written as though the US Senate is all male. There are currently 26 US Senators who are women. Also Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has a private extra office space, as do some others in the House. Not that much difference from private corporate America, where management gets offices, but everybody else has a cubicle. — Maile (talk) 01:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

"I don't even see Packwood's name in the source" -- From the source [50] (which is bifurcated between two pages): Senate Finance Committee Chairman Bob Packwood, R-Ore., resigns to avoid expulsion after after more than two dozen women accuse him of sexual assault. One incident allegedly took place in his hideaway.

"Both the article and the hook are written as though the US Senate is all male. There are currently 26 US Senators who are women. " No, it is not written "as though the US Senate is all male". It tells the history of hideaways from 1800 to 2020, during which period there have been 57 female and 1,382 male senators. That is a sad reality of history but not something it is within the scope of my ability to control. I have included, to the greatest degree possible, references to females using hideaways. However, I am unable to create content where content - due to historic political paternalism - simply doesn't exist. If there are sources I have missed, however, that tell more of the story of females using hideaways, please feel free to add them to the article or, send them to me and I'll be happy to do so.

Let me know if you have any other concerns. Chetsford (talk) 01:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

being both political and non-encyclopedic in tone, is not fit for DYK at present" While that may be your opinion, we have no such policy. Recent DYKs on political topics include: Hans Ustrud, Huey Long, 1860 Londonderry City by-election, National Council of the Judiciary, Group of Personal Friends, Death and state funeral of George H. W. Bush, etc. etc. If your concern is that this history and architecture article involves current politics, you are mistaken. Seven politicians are mentioned by name in the article, of whom, four are dead and three are retired. Chetsford (talk) 01:34, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Alt-1 added. Chetsford (talk) 01:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 17

Edgar C. Polomé

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• Article history )

• ... that the American philologist Edgar C. Polomé was a leading authority on both Indo-European and Bantu linguistics? Source: Louden, Mark L.; Justus, Carol F.; King, Robert D. (Fall 2000). "In Memoriam: Edgar Charles Polomé" (PDF). American Journal of Germanic Linguistics. Cambridge University Press. 12 (2): 182–183. doi:10.1017/S1040820700002675. Retrieved 22 January 2020.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Camille Cordahi 2

Improved to Good Article status by Krakkos (talk). Self-nominated at 15:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

James R. Hall

• ( Review or comment
• Article history )

• ... that upon taking command of the Fourth United States Army, James R. Hall became the highest ranking United States military office in the Midwestern United States? Source: "Jet Magazine"

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Matthew Hedges (I intend to do additional reviews out of interest but never used this one for a QPQ) Mifter (talk) 21:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Created by Mifter (talk). Self-nominated at 21:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

Cherry Magic! Thirty Years of Virginity Can Make You a Wizard?!

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• Article history )

• ... that Cherry Magic! Thirty Years of Virginity Can Make You a Wizard?! was originally a webcomic posted on the author's social media? Source: Anime News Network (link): "That said, Toyota (who started this online and was shocked to be offered a book deal) states that they do plan to make it sexier later on..."
  • ALT1:... that Cherry Magic! Thirty Years of Virginity Can Make You a Wizard?! is the first boys' love series published in English by Square Enix? Source: Anime News Network (link): "1st boys-love manga Square Enix is publishing in English..."

Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 01:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 18

2b2t

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2b2t's destroyed spawn-in area

• ... that 2b2t, a no-rules Minecraft multiplayer server running since 2010, has gone to war against YouTube for the future of the server? Source: [51]
  • ALT1:... that 2b2t is a no-rules Minecraft multiplayer server running on the same map since 2010, with no player-bans and a hands-off administrator?
  • ALT2:... that 2b2t, a no-rules Minecraft multiplayer server running since 2010, has seen over 510,000 distinct Minecraft players join and explore its 8 terabyte map?
  • ALT3:... that 2b2t is a no-rules Minecraft multiplayer server running since 2010 with a world of over 8 terabytes in size?
  • ALT4:... that 2b2t is the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft, and over half a million players have joined and left their mark on it?
  • ALT5:... that 2b2t is a no-rules Minecraft multiplayer server running since 2010, making it the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft? Source: 2b2t is an "anarchy server," the oldest and most infamous of its kind. [52]
  • ALT6:... that 2b2t is a no-rules Minecraft multiplayer server running since 2010 with an initially procedurally generated world now exceeding 8 terabytes in size?

• Comment: GA review. The alt hooks are a WP:SELFSOURCE from 2b2t's official web presence, the relevant quote is 2builders2tools is a minecraft server with the goal to never reset the world in a free for all no rules pvp environment, with little modification to the vanilla survival gamemode. The world is nine years and seven months old, with a size of 8376 GBs and over 513,255 players visiting at least once (see GA review). The main hook is from Kotaku, and the quote is pretty much just the title of the article.

Improved to Good Article status by Melofors (talk) and Leijurv (talk). Nominated by Leijurv (talk) at 18:06, 18 October 2020 (UTC).

2007 World Cup of Pool

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• ... that the USA team at the 2007 World Cup of Pool wore orange shirts after both home nation Dutch teams had been eliminated? Source: https://www.azbilliards.com/world-cup-of-pool-belgium-and-austria-shock-the-giants/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/TBA

5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 17:59, 18 October 2020 (UTC).

Living instrument doctrine

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• ... that the European Convention on Human Rights is a living instrument? Source: https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Seminar_background_paper_2020_ENG.pdf
  • ALT1:... that the European Convention on Human Rights is interpreted in light of present-day conditions? Source: same as above
  • ALT2:... that due to the living instrument doctrine, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that "it is no longer considered to be necessary or appropriate" to criminalize homosexuality? Source: same as above

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kōichi Kitamura (Japanese domestic terrorist)

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 04:05, 18 October 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 19

The Thirty-Year Genocide

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• ... that in The Thirty-Year Genocide, Benny Morris and Dror Ze'evi argue that the Armenian Genocide was part of a larger genocide which targeted all of the Christian minorities in Anatolia? Source: 10.1080/14623528.2020.1735560
  • ALT1:... that in The Thirty-Year Genocide, Benny Morris and Dror Ze'evi argue that Islamic fundamentalism led to a genocide of all Christian minorities in Anatolia, including the Armenians? Source: 10.1080/14623528.2020.1735560

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/United States Public Health Service reorganizations of 1966–1973

5x expanded by Buidhe (talk) and E.M.Gregory (talk). Nominated by Buidhe (talk) at 20:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

Winfred P. Lehmann

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• ... that linguistics professor and environmentalist Winfred P. Lehmann donated 160 acres of land in Travis County, Texas, to The Nature Conservancy? Source: " He and Ruth were dedicated environmentalists and donated 160 acres in far northwest Travis County to the Nature Conservancy to create the Ruth Lehmann Memorial Tract" [53] p. 618
  • ALT1:... that linguistics professor Winfred P. Lehmann owned a house overlooking Lake Travis where he cared for rescued animals? Source: " All this time he led a subdued life devoted to family and scholarship, driving twenty miles to the campus and back from his house on magnificent acreage overlooking Lake Travis ... They loved animals and always had rescued birds and animals to show off when one visited them on the lake" same source as above

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Safford Unified School District v. Redding

Improved to Good Article status by Krakkos (talk). Nominated by Bait30 (talk) at 18:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

Hidden Lake (Alaska)

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Hidden Lake

• ... that Alaska's Hidden Lake (pictured) was formed by an ancient channel of the Kenai River? Source:[54]

Created by Beeblebrox (talk). Self-nominated at 01:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

QPQ:Template:Did you know nominations/Lit Lounge.

• Full review to follow, but could an alternative hook be proposed here? The currently proposed one doesn't really sound that hooky, especially to those unfamiliar with the river in question. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 16:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Area of burned/down trees on lake shore

I usually find coming up with a good hook one of the more difficult parts of this process. Maybe soemthing about the efforts to save the campground from a wildfire last year? Alternate photo posted of that. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea if it can be paired with the image. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Historical policy of the Law and Justice party

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• ... that the historical policy of the Polish ruling party has been described as "a pumped-up martyr complex focused on conspiracy theories"? Source: "Poland has always been invested in the idea that its role and suffering in world history has been underestimated, and PiS’s version of that history — a pumped-up martyr complex focused on conspiracy theories — has found an audience." https://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/8066/curating-a-nation-controversy-gdansk-ww2-museum
  • ALT1:... that the 1941 Jedwabne pogrom, in which hundreds of Jews were murdered by Poles, is viewed by the Polish ruling party as an attack on Polishness and Polish identity? Source: "According to the politicians, historians, and journalists representing PiS’s ideological position, Jedwabne and other events that cast a negative light on Polish national identity must be revisited and retold for both Poles and the West. In their eyes, Jedwabne is a key sign of ‘all the lies voiced against the Polish nation,’ and is understood as the ‘central attack’ on Polishness, Polish values and traditions, and Polish identity (understood in an ethnic sense)" 10.1080/23256249.2017.1376793

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ground Swell (painting)

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 00:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

• Not yet. Needs work. At the moment it looks like WP:SYNTH. From the article it is unclear that the "historical policy" does officially exist (it does), rather than a collection of factoids that demonstrate a biased presentation of country's history, not uncommon in many countries. For example I would love to see an article about revisionism, often really idiotic, of the History of Ukraine since 2010s. Staszek Lem (talk) 05:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

• It could use improvement but it is a valid topic and meets DYK requirements. Żuk's, Hackmann's, and Michlic's articles, published in academic journals, unambiguously state that the historical policy exists. Please feel free to expand or improve the article; I don't own it. (t · c) buidhe 05:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Żuk's unambiguously state that the historical policy exists --The article also says "Polish Law and Justice party has developed a "historical policy". -- If it exists, the article must show how it is stated by the Party as a party policy, otherwise this is dismissible as an opinionated cherry-picked bullshit by the liberals and enemies of the Polish state. Staszek Lem (talk) 10:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
    • Zuk quotes from the PiS party programs, for instance:

      The lack of any coherent “textbook” policy prevents the formation of a common consciousness of students and, at the same time, leads to the transmission of scandalous content, for example, communist crimes and the scale of German crimes in World War II are relativized. These measures use education to deconstruct our identity. […] The attack on tradition and the associated national consciousness is ostentatious in the cultural sphere. The preference for creativity that is detrimental to Polish values is clear. Leftist periodicals are supported; various types of state-funded cultural transmission attack patriotism and national values.

      Hackmann states:

      Since 2015, the right-wing Polish government has attempted to closely control those institutions that are regarded as crucial for shaping the national remembrance in order to implement a mnemonic policy with the aim of promoting patriotism and defending a positive image of the ethno-linguistically defined Polish nation abroad.

      (t · c) buidhe 16:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

My review: date, size, refs, are good. Notability and neutrality - likely ok, but this is a touchy topic and I am not sure if the ALT1 about Jedwabne is neutral. Anyway, a techical issue - this needs to have lead cut to size (I don't suggest removing content, just moving it to the article's main body). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

"Jedwabne Pogrom... is viewed as an attack on Polishness" -- the author really has problems with logic. I hate editing political articles, but I have to note that the colleague seems to raise his struggle with Polish neoconservatism in Wikipedia to nonencyclopedic levels. Staszek Lem (talk) 10:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

The author is stating that the conclusion that Poles were responsible for Jedwabne is an attack on Polishness, at least according to PiS. These historical facts are inconvenient, hence the claim (not supported by the available evidence) that Poles were not responsible... (t · c) buidhe 16:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

I know well what was and is with Jedwabne. I am saying that logic in your writing sucks, and you still do not see this. Please somebody else explain them or somebody explain me how a pogrom may be seen as an attack on Polishness. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Also, I am afraid the article is not stable. Both me and Staszek raised neutrality concerns, that Buidhe has promptly reverted: [55], [56]. There is ongoing discussion on talk. Setting aside a quickly decline AfD by a user blocked as sock, I am increasingly convinced this likely fails the stability and neutrality criteria for the main page. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• The neutrality concerns were all about one sentence, which I supported with a quote on talk page. I am always ready to consider if another wording may be best, but it is not appropriate to tag an entire article for neutrality based on one sentence. Also, Piotrus used failed verification tags without actually trying to verify the content in the cited source. Since the article was just created it has undergone edits in the last few days but not beyond what is expected for a dyk article. (t · c) buidhe 16:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The article seems to be based on politically engaged polemics that are blatantly false in certain parts. For example the statement: According to this narrative, Poles were exclusively victims and heroes during World War II and the Communist era is absurd as PiS is waging at least two campaigns to shame and deprive of memory any Pole who in their view "collaborated with Communism" [57]Kiszczak i Jaruzelski to byli zdrajcy narodu:Kiszczack and Jaruzelski were traitors to the nation or wszyscy komunistyczni kolaboranci, którzy uczestniczyli w prześladowaniach Polaków i sprawowali władzę w imieniu Moskwy, powinni być przeniesieni z cmentarzy, które dzisiaj są narodowymi nekropoliami all communist collaborators who took part in repressions against Poles and waged power in the name of Moscow should be removed from cemeteries that are today national necropolises. So yeah, the claim that PiS sees Poles only as heroes is easily verified as false.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• I don't think this is an accurate representation. As the statement you quote indicates, any Poles who do not behave the way they are supposed to are not "real Poles". This division has been noticed in research:

Epithets which divided Poles in two groups and indicated on bad intentions of political opponents became a part of newspeak of Polish rightist spectrum. Here it is possible to identify a division into “real Poles” with reference to followers of “right”and “false” Poles with reference to the rest as well as [insults such as] “lemmings” with reference to voters of PO and left wing,“communists”, “thieves” etc. [and suggesting that not only Donald Tusk but entire population groups such as Kashubians or Silesians are German]

— Modrzejewsk, Arkadiusz (2017). "Catholic and Nationalist Populism in the Current Poland". Perspective politice. Scoala Nationala de Studii Politice si Administrative. ISSN 1841-6098.

• Hence why, as Sadurski put it, "the [2018] law clearly resonates with a nationalistic government rhetoric, under which Polish history is comprised exclusively of heroic acts and undeserved victimhood, and never of criminal deeds." If they're responsible for "criminal deeds" one can conclude that they are not really a Pole but a communist puppet, etc. Hackmann notes that in the Ulma museum, "the policeman who presumably gave the hint to the hidden Jews, is questioned to be a Pole, because he was Greek Catholic".
• You state that these peer reviewed papers are all "politically engaged polemics" but they are actually research papers published in respected journals such as Journal of Genocide Research and Dapim: Studies on the Holocaust. I think that the editorial boards of these journals should count for more than one wikieditor's opinion. (t · c) buidhe 21:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

If they're responsible for "criminal deeds" one can conclude that they are not really a Pole but a communist puppet Please read on WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. You are wandering of to creating your own personal theories. Wikipedia is not the place for this.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

The sentence you are complaining about has been rewritten. Are there any further complaints based on concrete issues, or is this a case of IDONTLIKEIT? (t · c) buidhe 22:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Snailfish

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• ... that snailfish can be found at more different ocean depths than any other family of fish?

Created by MitchG265 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC).

• Newly created article. Plenty long enough, well written, and no POV issues. However, there are several paragraphs that are uncited or lack citations for some information; this needs to be fixed before the article is ready for DYK. Hook is good and cited to a reliable source. QPQ not needed as this is the nominator's first DYK. If the uncited information can be properly cited, this will be ready for DYK. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

San Baw

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• ... that San Baw, chief orthopaedic surgeon of Mandalay General Hospital, pioneered the use of ivory protheses to replace ununited fractures of the femoral neck? Source: (Stafford 2014: 24), (Boden 2018: 41)
  • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

• Reviewed: K. W. Gransden

Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 04:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 20

Manufacturers Trust Company Building

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510 Fifth Avenue

• ... that the primarily glass facade of 510 Fifth Avenue (pictured) was said to have "led the banking profession out of the cellar and onto the street"? Source: White, Norval; Willensky, Elliot & Leadon, Fran (2010). AIA Guide to New York City (5th ed.). New York: Oxford University Press. p. 271.
  • ALT1:... that the bank entrance at 510 Fifth Avenue (pictured) was left unmarked, its purpose being conveyed via a huge vault door visible from the street? Source: "New Design Used for Bank Edifice: Pedestrians to View Work in Manufacturers Trust Unit Through Glass Walls". The New York Times. August 16, 1953. p. R1.
  • ALT2:... that the success of the Manufacturers Trust Company bank at 510 Fifth Avenue (pictured) led the bank to renovate its other branches with similar designs? Source: Harris, Gale (October 21, 1997). "Manufacturers Trust Company Building" New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. p. 7.
  • ALT3:... that a bank on Fifth Avenue (pictured) became a tourist attraction? Source: Olsen, Leif H. (February 13, 1955). "Glass Bank Lures Tourists, Deposits". The New York Times.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Metropolitan (bar)

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 23:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

Patricia Haynes Smith

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State Representative Patricia Haynes Smith.

• ... that state representative Patricia Haynes Smith worked with gay rights group Equality Louisiana to decriminalize sodomy in Louisiana? Source: [58]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ulung Sitepu

Created by 19jshi (talk). Self-nominated at 21:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

• Great article. New enough (created October 17), long enough, NPOV, hook is interesting and inline cited to the New Orleans Times-Picayune which is RS. Earwig returns "violation unlikely" for copyvio at 16.7%. My only question is a stylistic one; can we just paraphrase the quoted portion rather than quoting it directly which is a bit clunky? Also, the direct quote may be non-compliant with MOS:QUOTE as we have to include attribution either in-text or through a footnote and, when the hook appears on the front page, no footnote will be included. Chetsford (talk) 01:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Edited based on comments, thanks. Do you know how I can do the citation so it appears on the frontpage if the hook appears there? 19jshi (talk) 20:24, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Zygiella x-notata

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• ... that male spiders of the species Zygiella x-notata use vibrational courtship signals when entering a female's web to alert her of his presence as a potential mate rather than potential prey? Source: Tarsitano, Michael; Kirchner, Wolfgang (2001). "Vibrational courtship signals of Zygiella x-notata" (PDF). British Arachnological Society. 12: 26–32.
  • ALT1:... that Zygiella x-notata spiders received their common name, the missing-sector orb-weaver, by spinning webs with an area free of silk spirals (not including the signal thread) in the upper half of the web? Source: Anotaux, M.; Marchal, J.; Châline, N.; Desquilbet, L.; Leborgne, R.; Gilbert, C.; Pasquet, A. (1 November 2012). "Ageing alters spider orb-web construction". Animal Behaviour. 84 (5): 1113–1121. doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2012.08.017. ISSN 0003-3472.

5x expanded by SlyFox52 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

Trochodendron postnastae, Trochodendron rosayi

• ( Review or comment )

• ( Article history links: Trochodendron postnastae
• Trochodendron rosayi )

• ... that the extinct wheel tree leaf species T. postnastae and fruit species T. rosayi are possibly from the same plant? Source: "whereas T. postnastae may be the leaf type formed by plants that bore T. rosayi infructesences." (Manchester et al 2018)

• Reviewed: Halisarca caerulea
• Comment: Also reviewed Mucuna gigantea

Moved to mainspace by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 20:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

Improved United Kingdom Air Defence Ground Environment

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• ... that shortly after the Improved United Kingdom Air Defence Ground Environment radar network was ready for action "a mere six years" late, the Ministry of Defence had already started looking to replace it?

Source: the quote is from Barrie, the replacement is from Forecast page 6.

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 16:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

Intravenous therapy

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Modern intravenous therapy bags hanging from an IV pole

• ... that the first recorded attempt at providing intravenous therapy was an attempt to treat Pope Innocent VIII with IV injection of blood from healthy donors? Source: Millam D (January 1996). "The history of intravenous therapy". Journal of intravenous nursing : the official publication of the Intravenous Nurses Society. 19 (1): 5–14. PMID 8708844.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kommt ein Vogel geflogen
• Comment: Not too attached to the hook or image, so willing to work on either.

Improved to Good Article status by Berchanhimez (talk). Self-nominated at 14:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

L'An 2440, rêve s'il en fut jamais

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Title page from "L'An 2440, rêve s'il en fut jamais" (1772 London edition), by Louis-Sébastien Mercier (1740-1814)

• ... that the early French science-fiction novel Memoirs of the Year 2500 was one of the most popular titles of the 18th century, despite being banned by the Inquisition? Source: https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/37364176
  • ALT1:... that the early French science-fiction novel Memoirs of the Year 2500 is the origin of the futuristic setting of utopian fiction? Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4241146

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Historical policy of Law and Justice
• Comment: I am open to moving this to an English title, and started a discussion on talk.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 07:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 21

Jaan Puhvel

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• ... that the Estonian linguist Jaan Puhvel has worked for more than half a century on publishing his multi-volume Hittite Etymological Dictionary? Source: Kressa, Kaarel (March 21, 2008). "Jaan Puhvel otsib kiilkirjast indoeuroopa keelepuu juuri". Eesti Päevaleht (in Estonian). Retrieved September 4, 2020.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chori Chori Chupke Chupke

Improved to Good Article status by Krakkos (talk). Self-nominated at 19:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

Living Books

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• ... that book publisher Random House and games publisher Broderbund joint ventured a series of interactive storybook software called Living Books?
  • ALT1:... that Mark Schlichting, creator of interactive storybook series Living Books, was inspired by the interactive world of Dr. Seuss's Horton Hears a Who! he remembered from his childhood?
  • ALT2:Open to alternate suggestions.

• Reviewed: To Be Completed (please commence the review in the meantime)
• Comment: This is my first DYK nomination in a long time so please be a little patient. I am open to your suggestions and excited by the opportunity to see this article be approved.

5x expanded by Coin945 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

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Chisapani Gadhi

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• ... that females are not allowed to go inside the Chisapani Gadhi, Nepal? Source: [59] "We were baffled as the caretaker informed us that women were barred from entry here"

• ALT1: ... that females are prohibited from entering the Chisapani Gadhi in Nepal?
• Reviewed: Moin-ud-din

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 18:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

• Article is new enough and long enough. AGFing on the various Nepali sources. I am bothered by the similarity between The fort, which is spread on four bighas of land, was constructed in 1801BS during the rule of the Sen king in Makwanpur. The fort was used for military, administrative, trade and immigration purposes after the annexation of Makwanpur to Nepal in 1819 BS. Historians said there was a court, a check post and an office of Badahakim, a post equivalent to the governor of the region, on the premises of the fort. in the source and The Chisapani Gadhi is an ancient fort in Bhimphedi that was built during the unification of Nepal around the Sen rule in Makwanpur.[1] After it was annexed to the Kingdom of Nepal, it was used for military, administrative, trade and immigration.[1] Some historians say that in the fort there was a "court, a check post and an office of Badahakim, a post equivalent to the governor of the region".[1] , even with the quote it comes off like close paraphrasing. The grammar is also a little off - "military, administrative, trade and immigration", " and she added that local resident created a rumour that she died." and "Gadhi was being renovation and conservation" are just examples. Why is the funding provided by the provincial government not included? I am not sure that #2 mentions the fort in the context given. The image is properly licenced but it appears to be located in a different fort than the article claims. QPQ is low-hanging fruit, but passable. Hook is interesting and sourced inline, but the article has too many issues for me to feel comfortable approving it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Jo-Jo Eumerus, I believe that I have resolved your comments. The image is from the fort. The ref 2 does mention the fort but not for long. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 12:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Some grammar fixes are still needed. Also, I've asked for a Nepali reader to check the sources at WT:DYK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Nepali: "चिसापानी गढीको कारणले नै युद्ध गर्न आएका अङ्ग्रेजहरु यस क्षेत्रमा आउन नसकेर सिमभन्ज्याङतर्फ मोडिन बाध्य भएको इतिहास रहेको छ" Source
• English: The Britsh came to attack the Chisapani Gadhi but they could not so they went to Sim Bhanjyang instead.
• Nepali: "कर्नेल रणवीरसिंह थापा मुख्य कमान्डर । कोशी नदी पश्चिम र नारायणी नदी पूर्वको सेक्टर कमान्डर थिए । उनले सुमेश्वर गढी, उपरदाङ गढी, कविलास गढी, कान्द्राङ गढी, चिसापानी गढी, मकवानपुर किल्ला, ढुंगे गढी, डढुवा गढी, हरिहरपुर गढी, अम्वास गढी, हरिहरपुर किल्ला, सिन्धुली गढी, उदयपुर गढी, चौदण्डी गढी लगायत सेना तैनाथी गराए" Source
• English: Ranabir Singh Thapa was in charge of the west and east of Narayani River. He deployed soldiers in .....(the source talks about others forts he had put forces in)........ Chisapani Gadhi.
• Nepali: "चिसापानीमा बटुक भैरवको मन्दिर छ, जहाँ महिलालाई प्रवेश निषेध छ" Source
• English: There is a temple where females are not allowed.
• Nepali: "यस विषयमा बेलाबेला महिला अधिकारवादीले आवाज उठाई रहेका पनि छन्" Source
• English: In the past, females have protested against the "no females allowed" rule.
• Nepali: "मन्दिरमा प्रवेश गरे अनिष्ट हुने र ज्यान नै जान सक्ने मनोवैज्ञानिक त्रास फैलाइएको छ । तोप पड्काउँदाको आवाजले महिलाको गर्भ खेर गएकाले जान हुँदैन भन्ने मान्यता रहेको स्थानीयहरू बताउँछन्" source
• English: If a female goes inside they will become unlucky or die. Some people say the when the big cannon was fired the noise that came from it caused some miscarriages.
• Nepali: "२०६० मंसीरमा पहिलो पटक त्यहाँ पुगेकी हुँ। पत्रकारिता तालिमको सहभागी भएर स्थलगत भ्रमणमा गढी जाँदा महिलाले तोप हेर्न नहुने र मन्दिर पनि जान नहुने भनेर लेखिएको सूचना देखेपछि छक्क परें । साथीहरू र तालिमका प्रशिक्षकले नजानू भने पनि पसें । मेरो घर हेटौंडा भएकाले त्यो बाटो परेका वेला र त्यसपछि पनि पटक पटक मन्दिर पसेकी छु "। source
• English: I went there in 2060 N.S.. I was surprised by the sign which read no females allowed. My friends told me not to go but I went anyway. I live in Hetuda so I have travelled this road many times and visited the temple.
• Nepali: "मलाई आजसम्म कुनै अनिष्ट भएको छैन, तर चिसापानीतिर मेरो बारे ४/५ वर्षअघिसम्म अफवाह चलेको रहेछ । चिसापानी गढी नजिकैको होटलतिर ‘१५/१६ वर्षअघि पत्रकारको टोलीमा आएकी एउटी केटी मन्दिरभित्र पसेकी थिई, पछि मरिछ’ भन्दा रहेछन् । मान्छे मरेको कुरा पनि केही आधार नभई गर्दा रहेछन् भन्ने प्रमाण हो यो" source
• English: I am not dead as of now. The people in Chisapani told others about my death (about four or five years ago). ......................

• So what happened to the DYKAGF rule. Anyway, I translated the whole article for you. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• Sorry, but when close paraphrasing is involved then I look a bit more closely than DYKAGF would warrant. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Camille Cordahi

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Cordahi in 1964

• ... that Camille Cordahi (pictured) scored the Lebanon national football team's first goal? FA Lebanon; "[Camille Cordahi became Lebanon's first official goalscorer".]

5x expanded by Nehme1499 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:14, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

• General eligibility:

• New Enough: N - no
• Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: N - Not done
Overall: The article is not "new". This article is therefore not eligible for DYK unless it is expanded to GA status. Krakkos (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@Krakkos: Isn't the article 5x expanded? Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 21:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) The article currently has 4306 prose characters, and prior to expansion had 1368, so it's a bit over a 3x expansion when 5x is needed. Nehme1499, in order for this to qualify as a 5x expansion, it would need to grow to 6840 prose characters. Would you be able to add another 2534 prose characters to the article to make this a 5x expansion? You would also need to provide a QPQ review, since you have more than five prior DYK credits. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: Ah ok. I guess the DYK check is wrong (it says: "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 8 edits ago on October 21, 2020"). I would have to say no, I can't add any more than what's present. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 21:56, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Badhshala

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• ... that 2013 Nepali historical drama Badhshala was briefly banned by the Nepali Army because the actors wore military uniforms without permission? Source: Rana, Trishna (2013). "Arms and the men". Nepali Times. Retrieved 21 October 2020. "The NA initially said it objected because the actors wore military uniforms without permission."

• Reviewed: Turritopsis dohrnii

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 15:48, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

Joseph Stephen Paduano

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• Article history )

• ... that Joseph Stephen Paduano is the first party-list representative in the House of Representatives of the Philippines to serve as its Minority Floor Leader? Source: Rep. Paduano, Velasco's supporter, elected House minority leader

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John F. McCarthy Jr.

Created by Emperork (talk). Self-nominated at 05:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 22

Der nayer veg

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Cover of the first issue of Der nayer veg, published May 11, 1906

• ... that the 1906–1907 weekly Der nayer veg (cover page pictured) contained some of the earliest critical scholarly writings on Yiddish language literature? Source: "contained some of the first attempts to apply critical scholarly methods to the study of the Yiddish language, literature, and the material conditions of Russian Jewry in the Yiddish language, and [was, along with the Jewish Socialist organ Di folksshtime,] important precursors to the scholarly work that would appear in the post-1905 revolutionary period" ([60])

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Georges Dumézil

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 21:24, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

Chori Chori Chupke Chupke

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• ... that the release of the Hindi film Chori Chori Chupke Chupke was delayed for several months due to allegations that it was funded by the Indian mafia? Source: Dirty money cleans up for Bollywood blockbuster (2001). The Guardian
  • ALT1:... that Preity Zinta played a prostitute-turned-surrogate mother in Chori Chori Chupke Chupke? Sources: Majumdar, Anindita (2018). Surrogacy. Oxford University Press. pp. 19–23 and Derne, Steve D. (2008). Globalization on the Ground: New Media and the Transformation of Culture, Class, and Gender in India. SAGE Publications India. p. 109

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charlotte Taylor (cricketer)

5x expanded by Shshshsh (talk). Self-nominated at 12:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

• General eligibility:

• New Enough: N - no
• Long Enough: Y

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Y Neutral: Y Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Y

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Y Interesting: Y

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article is not "new", and therefore does not pass the eligibility criteria. Krakkos (talk) 21:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Krakkos, the article is not new, but the expansion is - I finished expanding it less than a week ago. Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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