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Tatanua mask[edit]

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The result was: rejected by Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle}

~~... that André Breton said that Malagan culture, which includes Tatanua masks (pictured), illustrate the civilised masks that others wear to hide their primordial fears?~~

Reviewed: not yet

~~Created/expanded by Sanko (talk).~~ Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 22:36, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's a bit of an odd hook. Would you be interested in choosing another? Breton wasn't talking about the mask, but the culture as you note, and the source puts it in a different way altogether: "In the 1940s, the French Surrealist artist André Breton proclaimed the power of Melanesian art to unveil the primordial fears that “civilized” life masks."[1] IMO, when you are attributing someone by name, you want to stick as close as possible to what they are saying. Yes, Breton is making a general comment about Melanesian art, but he isn't saying anything about this Tatanua mask. Viriditas (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:
Hook

Length, format, content rules: Not supported. The confusion here stems from a misunderstanding of the text included in a source about the mask. See my comment above explaining the problem at 12:22. Viriditas (talk) 08:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Viriditas (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Interest: Viriditas (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Image suitability, if applicable: Viriditas (talk)
ALT hooks, if proposed: ALT needed. Current hook isn't accurate or supported. Viriditas (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article

Length: Sharktopus ^talk 22:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Vintage: Sharktopus ^talk 22:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sourcing (V, RS, BLP):
Neutrality:
Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: Problem with close paraphrasing, see article talk page. This needs to be repaired, put a note here after it is fixed. Sharktopus ^talk 22:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Copyvio:
Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting:

Comments/discussion: Problem with close paraphrasing, needs repair. Sharktopus ^talk 22:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Current hook is inaccurate and misrepresents the original source. I've requested a new hook to replace it. Both authors have been contacted. Viriditas (talk) 08:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very concerned that we had copyright violation in this article and I didn't check it enough before nominating it. I have rewritten those sections that were identified. If someone else wants to nominate this article then please feel free to add a hook. It doesnt contain the Andre Breton quote now so I have struck out the jook above. Victuallers (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the creator of the Indonesian article from credits, considering that article's unacceptable use of the Derby Museum's website, as documented on the article talk page, and confirmed by me using a Google translation of the Indonesian article. Victuallers has done a rewrite, so I changed his credit line from Nom to Make. Do you want to add a hook or to withdraw it? The article could also use copyedit for spelling, etc. Sharktopus ^talk 16:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be happy to withdraw the article Victuallers (talk) 17:00, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]