Template talk:Dublin residential areas
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Purpose, discussion, validity of division..?
I can see some point to this, and for Dublin, I like the name "residential areas" better than "Towns and Villages" (I argued before for "Towns, Villages and Suburbs"), but as there is also a category, and other structures, I would like to ask what prior discussion there was on this idea, and the value it adds? Also, it divides into Northside and Southside - these are already complex concepts here, as the ideas differ from the pure geographic, and anyway today much of new Dublin development is in the west of the urban zone, and would traditionally not have figured in any Northside / Southside divide (Lucan, for example). I'm not opposed, but I do think this idea and its implementation need to be debated. SeoR (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- Candidates for West Dublin: Adamstown, Blanchardstown (not traditionally Northside, but sort-of leader of the North part of West Dublin), Clonee, Corduff - and a whole bunch beginning with Tallaght and Jobstown could form a South part of West Dublin
- Not Southside, and not really West Dublin either: Lucan, Newcastle (far rural Co. Dublin), Rathcoole (see previous), Saggart (see previous)
- Part of bigger established areas: Clongriffin (unfinished new housing in north Donaghmede), Sherriff Street (part of North Wall / Docklands), Summerhill (North Inner City), Windy Arbour
- Not a residential area: Belfield (a university campus), Citywest (an industrial estate in Saggart, or in once-empty county fields), Park West (???, never heard of it)
- With all the complexity, and the development now reaching to and beyond Dublin's borders, why bother with NS / SS at all?
I got the idea of creating this template from the templates of the boroughs of New York. I thought it would be a good idea to have such a template for Dublin since most areas already had a page on WP. I took the list from the Northside and Southside pages. If anybody feels an area should be added or taken off from the template you might want to add/remove it from those pages as well, so we have a minimum of consistency. As for the NS/SS question, I agree that Dublin has changed so much in the last 10 years or so, that maybe we shouldn't bother with NS and SS anymore. But since the list was taken from 2 pages I thought I'd divide the template into 2 sections. Initially I was thinking of creating a section for each postal code but then I quickly realised it would be a nightmare as some areas spread over 2 or 3 PC and some spread over Co. Dublin. Saebhiar Adishatz 02:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
- I think the template is good. Using the Liffey as the North/South divide is the most widely accepted use, and it is very widely used. There is no "Westside" in Dublin and "West Dublin" doesn't join Tyrellstown and Rathcoole in any common usage. I'd support the template in its current form and also think the term "residential areas" is a good one for an overwhealmingly urban area. If applied outside the boundaries of County Dublin it could be used to include every little clutter of one-off houses; we are better to cover that under the "townland" format. Sarah777 (talk) 06:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- I like the concrete points of the second writer above but would favour simply listing areas in one "run" as the Northside / Southside is completely messed-up nowadays, and the more-so on Wikipedia, which has made what were qualitative (and yes, often somewhat perjorative) terms purely geographic - historically no one would have described Tallaght or Jobstown as Southside, nor Malahide as Northside. And likewise Lucan is neither Northside nor Southside, nor the likes of Saggart or Portrane. I think to general readers this distinction is just time-wasting (they have to search visally through two dense lists instead of one) and not based on facts. So yes to template but no to the split. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- ANd as a native of Lucan, I can attest that we never thought ourselves North- or South-side. But come on, we all know very well that Malahide was never "Northside" in the Dublin meaning (though upper-middle-class Clontarf was, and middle class Glasnevin, Raheny and so on), nor was Tallaght embraced by "Southside." There is a simple solution, short of just having one list, which avoids imposing a mis-use of Dublin terminology on an uncaring world. BEing BOLD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 23:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- Nope. From where I was reared Clontarf, Malahide, Glasnevin etcetera were "Northside". It was/is purely a geographical term. Though we looked down equally on the denizens of Coolock and Clontarf. This was about location, location, location. Malahiders were merely wannabe Southsiders. But there is only one solution: move. Sarah777 (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Not all areas included
There are some areas with pages that are not included in the template, Smithfield for example. I would add them but i don't know how.