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Redirections

to "expand list"

Would anyone complain if I redirect this to Template:expand list? --SPUI (talk) 01:27, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've put it on templates for deletion instead. Thryduulf 01:15, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

from "incomplete list"

I've redirected {{Incomplete list}} to this template, as both {{expand list}} and {{Stublist}} both redirect here as well. However, I do prefer expand list over listdev, personally. Courtland 00:22, 2005 May 31 (UTC)

Template placement

See Wikipedia:Template locations for discussion on template placement (article versus talk page). <>Who?¿? 15:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Just a related note ... there is unlikely a clear consensus on which space to place this template in ... article or discussion ... though by inspection it appears that most applications of the template are in the article space. The debate on this particular class of templates is between those who feel that this is a message directly to editors vs. those who feel that the message is directed to both editors and readers. Courtland 23:30, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Possible improvements

In the dutch language the template has a better look then the current english version. I believe we should have a similair looking template.

<!-- first a whiteline to solve a little bug -->
{| class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; width:100%; font-size:85%; clear:both; margin-top:1em;"

| This list is not complete. You are invited to click on 
'''<span class=plainlinks>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} edit]'''</span> to expand this list''.
| width="20" 
| [[Image:Crystal txt.png|20x20px]]
|}

This just looks nicer then the current version. Rmfloris 09:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I think an icon (e.g. exclamation mark) ahead of the text would make it stand out. List pages can sometimes be 'busy' and a short string of text is liable to be 'lost'. Saga City (talk) 11:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Usage note: Closed lists only

There are lists of clearly enumerable items which ought to be complete. A hypothetical "List of all US Presidents" for example, should be complete, and if it isn't, a tag like this should warn the reader not to rely on it and encourage any editor to complete it. I will refer to these lists as closed lists.

On the other hand List of legal terms or a hypothetical "List of Historical Novels" by their nature can't be expected to be complete, and certainly can't be proved complete at any specific point. This tag should be reserved for closed lists -- the sorts of list that a reader would naturally expect to be complete an even definitive, and warn when they fail of this standard. It should not be used on open-ended lists. Most categories are open-ended lists, and this template should not be used on them. DES 17:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

for open-ended lists, one appropriate template for labelling the lists as such is {{dynamic list}}. Courtland 23:30, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Expand Link

Hi. I've noticed that the link 'you can help Wikipedia by expanding it' will open the edit page for the entire article. Is there someway this could be changed to open the edit page for that section to make it easier to edit? Just a thought. -- Jatkins 19:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you could subst the template, and then go back and make a second edit adjusting the edit link to point to the appropriate section. -GTBacchus(talk) 06:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

See also

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was TEMPLATE MOVED per unopposed request. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Template:ListdevTemplate:Expand list – More meaningful. David Kernow (talk) 16:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Add interwiki's

Could you please add an interwiki link to nl:Sjabloon:Lijstbeg - Ronaldvd 22:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Sherool (talk) 19:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Update per merged projects

I've merged Wikipedia:Incomplete lists to Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists (per talkpage, from inactive project to active one). Could someone update this template's link? Thanks. --Quiddity 23:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it make more sense to target Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists#Incomplete_lists? Someone seeing "This list is incomplete" and clicking that link is probably looking for an explanation, not a welcome to a WikiProject. In fact, maybe merging was not quite the right solution... —dgiestc 00:16, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Sure, a section link would work too.
The page was getting outdated, and hadn't seen activity (except reverting vandals) in two years. My mergist leanings are to blame for my boldness, especially where our help pages are concerned! I don't at all object to being reverted though, I can see how that page stands well on its own. Simplicity in any form is fine by me :) --Quiddity 04:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
YesY Done ^demon[omg plz] 06:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Is this a cleanup template?

I was diggin' around, trying to find this template, and was surprised not to see it listed here: Category:List cleanup maintenance templates. Would it do any harm to add it to that cat? MrZaiustalk 22:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Here's a slightly better fix: Move it to Category:List expansion request templates
That can be a subcat to both Category:List cleanup maintenance templates and the current Category:List cleanup maintenance templates. This, Template:Inc-lit Template:Inc-sport, and Template:Inc-video all actively call for expansion, makin' em cleanup templates in my book. Any objections? MrZaiustalk 22:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

proposal

{{editprotected}}
Should this template be changed to look more like template Template:Incomplete or Template:Expand to get a result like

--Avala 18:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to see some greater input on this change. This template is included in a large number of locations and will impact a great number of pages. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to keep text message same as the current one. Like:
Thanks. Lara_bran 10:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of having both of 'em? They essentially prompt the reader for the exact same sort of input and address an identical problem. What's odd is that the current wording of this template is more apt than that of {{incomplete}}, as only this uses the word incomplete and links to a page that's uniquely relevant to lists. I'd be tempted to simply copy the link over "incomplete" from here to {{incomplete}} and then redirect this there. I can't see any compelling reason to keep both. MrZaiustalk 13:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

This change would be quite a large one; and it could have unforeseen consequences. When editors add this template (currently), they expect a single italicized line of text. This proposal changes this to be a centered, boxed, message with color and more text. On the surface, this change seems like a very bad idea; if an editor wanted a messagebox when they added {{expandlist}}, they would've chosen one instead, God knows there are plenty. This proposal should be brought up on WP:WPR, in my opinion, before any change is made. Cheers. --MZMcBride 21:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that - I was just looking at the text above, not the actual template itself. Executing this edit request would create the situation I described above, with a ridiculous amount of overlap between the two templates, but there are no such issues with the way things currently stand. MrZaiustalk 07:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

 Declined - Declining the immediate edit based on the noted need for advance discussion. -- JHunterJ 02:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Add interwiki

Please add [[la:Formula:Index imperfectus]]. Thanks -- Andrew Dalby 12:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

  •  Done ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Please add [[hr:Predložak:Proširi listu]]. Thanks Andrej Šalov (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Spacing?

As used on Doors Open Toronto#Buildings participating in 2008, the template seems to have a significant amount of space above and below the line which seems unnecessary. {{main}} is a template used in similar situations (top of sections); Could we match the spacing of that template? TheHYPO (talk) 18:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The proposed change is to basically a) add a colon (: spacer) to the beginning of the tag text, as well as b) nix the "notice" class from the div, because it's adding space under the tag that is unnecessary (not sure what {{main}}'s other classes do, but if someone does know, perhaps they would be usefull in this template as well. TheHYPO (talk) 06:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Inter Wiki Link

Hi can someone add simple:Expand list Thanks--CPacker (talk) 06:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Please add also ru:Template:list-stub. Mashiah (talk) 00:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Class change

{{editprotected}} I suggest changing the class name of the DIV element to "boilerplate metadata". The current message doesn't align properly with other template messages, such as {{for}} and {{dynamic list}}. SharkD (talk) 01:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to bring this up at MediaWiki:Common.css first. It seems that the notice class is the issue here - it was never updated as other classes were updated. --- RockMFR 16:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Disabled the request while discussion at Common.css occurs. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Indentation

Would it be possible to indent the template text a little more? As I noticed here, it looks untidy to have two templates with differing indentation. - Dudesleeper / Talk 01:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that this should be indented. Anyone else have any feedback on this? Gary King (talk) 02:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Bases missing from closed installations list

Kincheloe AFB MI - closed 1977

Wurtsmith AFB MI - closed about 1990 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.87.26.180 (talk) 16:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Possible improvement

The template currently places a notice similar to the following:

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it

I suggest that this notice be changed to something like the following:

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it and/or by providing supporting sources for information which it presents.

-- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I've got a new version on the sandbox. It has a small option, which I think would be appropriate because it doesn't stand out too much. There are some examples in testcases. Let me know what you think. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:14, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I like it. A look at Wikipedia:Template messages/Lists suggests to me that {{Dynamic list}} and {{Complete|date}} should be similarly updated. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I've implemented. I've set the small version to be the default because I think this is more likely to fit in with the current usage. And I found a better image. Now, let's see if we get any complaints :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

NO this is meant to be an unintuitive unobtrusive comment it should remain as it was a simple italic line of text. I am reverting the template to that. --PBS (talk) 07:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, let's discuss this. What do you mean by "unintuitive comment" and why do you feel that this change was not an improvememt? Personally I think that it is good practice to clearly distinguish between article content and maintenance tags such as this one, and using {{ambox}}, or its small equivalent as we did here, is the best way to make this distinction. It also brings it into line with all the other article message boxes. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Typo meant "unobtrusive". I do not see this message the way that you do. I am against maintenance templates in article space (that is what talk pages are for) unless the templates carries some information that is useful for the reader. For example the {{Unreferenced}} template when placed in a references section is useful at two levels it warns the reader that not all the article is to be trusted as well as asking for editors to edit in citations. This message is similar, it tells a reader that the list is not complete (useful information) as well as asking editors to add more. I think that highlighting the information in the way that was done recently helps bring it to the notice of editors but it distracts the eye of the reader from reading about the primary information they are searching for. --PBS (talk) 20:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)