Template talk:German borders

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While it's a good couterpart to Template:Polish borders, there are some changes needed, primarily in light of the changes discussed at Talk:Historical Eastern Germany. Please also note this great animated map - only for 37-39, but perhaps it could be expanded even more? It's very informative.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is the heading "Territorial changes of Germany in the 20th century"?[edit]

Since Germany was only formed as a unified nation in 1871, why not just make it "Territorial changes of Germany". Then we can have the top-level article be Territorial changes of Germany with subsidiary articles such as Treaty of Versailles, Territorial changes of Germany after World War II, etc.

--Richard 06:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I was bold and made the change so that the heading points to Territorial changes of Germany which covers all changes from 1871-1990. (Actually, I did it a couple of days ago but I forgot to leave a note here documenting what I had done. Sorry.)

Reversion of User:R9tgokunks' recent additions[edit]

R9tgokunks added several links which I have reverted because they expanded the scope of the template beyond what I think they should be. I believe that the scope of this template should match the scope of the Territorial changes of Germany article. The scope of that article, as I envision it, would be restricted to the formal changes in territorial borders of Germany (i.e. annexations and cessions). Thus, occupied territories in France, Scandinavia or Russia would not be included.

The links that R9tgokunks added include the following:

These are all worthwhile articles; heck, I am a major contributor to three of them. However, these articles are not about changes in German borders per se although they are related to them. I can understand why R9tgokunks thought that they should be included in the template but I am concerned that the template will get too long and so I think we should limit the scope as I have described above.

--Richard 02:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sugestion of merge[edit]

Hi,

Anachronous map of modern Germany and Poland (in gray) with former territories (light gray) and borders (in white)
Border changes of Germany and Poland during the 20th century

Accords
Versailles and Saint-Germain, 1919
Riga, 1921
Molotov-Ribbentrop, 1939
Yalta, Berlin and Potsdam, 1945
Zgorzelec, 1950
Varsaw, 1970
Two Plus Four and German-Polish Border Treaty, 1990

Current countries
Belarus
Belgium
Czech Republic
Denmark
France
Germany
Lithuania
Poland
Russia
Ukraine

It wouldn’t be interesting to merge this template with the template about border changes of Poland? At least between the 19th and mainly 20th centuries, the border histories of these two countries are quite intertwined.

Anyway, I’ve just made a template that could serve as a base for the proposed merge (it’s at the right).--MaGioZal (talk) 06:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)