Template talk:Hasidic dynasties by country of ancestral origin

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There are two pages on the Template. The first group should be Podolia- Ukraine, not Russia. Or Eastern Ukraine. Tolne should be in this group not in the Galcia group. --Jayrav 21:04, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Two pages??? the first group were in the Russian Empire. Podolia maybe (certainly not Ukraine, which did not yet exist), but chasidim do refer to these dynasties as 'Russian'. Will check Talne. --Redaktor 22:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Moved Talne—thanks for spotting this. --Redaktor 22:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

You have to be consistant to call the regions all by the same time frame. They were all founded under the Polish commenwealth, at that time Russia was only the regions further east. Even after the Russian empire, the area was Podolia. It only became "Russia" in the 20th century. Are we using 1780? 1840? or 1950? Pick a date and then we can standardize and add tags. I vote to use Podolia. --Jayrav 00:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Your divisions of Galcia and Hungary will change based on the date. You need to decide on the date used to set the template. --Jayrav 00:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to get into a major argument over this, but the Russian Empire existed in the 18th century, not just the 20th! Very few, if any, Hasidic dynasties came into existence during the Polsih Commonwealth. 1815 might be a good date to choose (Congress of Vienna). --Redaktor 05:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The region/country list is definitely inconsistent. I don't know enough about the political history, and who controlled what when. But I believe using regional names provides more consistency than countries/empires, since they didn't shift with the same frequency. Everything listed here under Russia should be either in Volhynia or Podolia. --Kotzker 23:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, it appears from here that the region was known as Ukraine for quite some time -- and not just as a geographical region, but also as a political entity (at least as far back as the Treaty of Pereyaslav in 1654). --Kotzker 23:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that I have already put all the Vohlin locations in the right list (correct me if I am wrong). The rest are Russian Podolia, so I could change the name. The name Ukraine was, AFAIK, not usd by Jews before WW1. I was trying to capture the names used by Jews eg Russian chasidus, Litvish chasidus, Galitzyaner chasidus. --Redaktor 07:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


Strashelye really should be in Lita, no?--Meshulam 18:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

You are quite right—thank you for noting this. --Redaktor 22:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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Isn't Chabad a Russian chassidus? The link to the Chabad page even says as such. I won't change it if others object, but I wouldn't call Chabad a Lita based chassidus. Yossiea (talk) 19:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

 Done by (3/Dec/07) and again by (14/Dec/07). -- -- -- 21:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


I wouldn't call myself an expert in chassidus, but isn't there at least one town in current-day Belarus that qualifies as a founding seat of chassidus? E.g. Kletzk, Drogichen [i.e. Drahichyn], Karlin, to name a few? -- kosboot (talk) 13:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Belarus is part of the region known to Jews as Lita (very roughly the Grand Duchy of Lithuania). Karlin is listed. If you know any more such towns, please add (or report here). I am not aware of any chasidus founded in Kletsk or Drohychin, but I may be mistaken. --Redaktor (talk) 15:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
My error: I now realize that the list is based on historic, not contemporary names of countries. I'll keep the desire to expand circles in mind. -- kosboot (talk) 19:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)