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Too much[edit]

This template now contains far too many links for a single navigation template, and there is lots, lots more out there on heraldry in templates. This merging should be reconsidered and discussed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

The idea is not to merge all, but notably the ones about charges and related. There are still templates around that are larger. Typically, it isn't too large if it fits well within the frame of a typical computer screen size. So there is arguably even some space left for extentionals. However, per WP:Notfinished, if it gets too heavy later on, it could indeed use a split. Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:01, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Even merging just the ones about charges would create a monster-sized template. We have to think not only about "typical" computer screens, but what is available in schools, laptops, and mobile devices. This is already well over the size on many mobile devices. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Mobile devices don't include navboxes. There are plenty of navboxes that are much larger than this one. A collected overview is justified, until it becomes to extensive. Then it could use some division. Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
It already did get too big in the past. That's why it was divided up into separate nav boxes. There is no need to repeat that process; it has already happened. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:05, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The collective overview has its merits. When, and if, it becomes too big, it should be splitted. Until, however, there are too many other navboxes that are as big or bigger. See for instance Template:Greek religion, etc. I can't see any prevailing arguments for an exception in this case. Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:32, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I can't see any reason to merge, but the choice was already made in the past to split. You have given to reason to reverse that decision. Th fact that some other templates out there are too big is not a reason to make this one too big as well. That kind of reasoning has never been valid. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:02, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: I have taken your objections into account. How about splitting it in two, with one navbox footer titled "Heraldic achievement", including "Escutcheon (shield)", "Tinctures", "Creatures", "Knots" as groups, along with the image to the right? Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:12, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand how you are proposing to divide this up, or how additional content that isn't yet in the template(s) would be allotted. I would think that the Heraldic tinctures would be an entirely separate navbox, for one. There is no overlap into the other sections of the template, but it is necessary to set the heraldic tincture series apart from the countless "color" pages on Wikipedia. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:02, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree with EncycloPetey. This navbox is now just too crowded :( ... Simplicity is key and this template should be about a general overview on heraldry. The reasoning that other templates are larger is quite a poor one... --Re5x (talk) 08:38, 30 September 2017 (UTC)