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This allows a ref, such as a {{harvid}} to be passed through, and for this to be invoked via {{sfn}}. example. (talk) 06:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

IUCN changing IDs frequently[edit]

IUCN seems to be happy to change the IDs at will. Perhaps the template should be modified so that the taxon parameter is used instead - so that we have something like a link to http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/search/?external%20text=taxon Shyamal (talk) 10:36, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

So, the id's are all being changed with the 2011.2 version, even for species where the listing has not been changed since the 2.3 criteria were used. This appears to have been done only a few times before, and never between 2009 and now. What a lot of trouble. We probably can't just go and change the URLs to new id's and maybe not to search, since they won't be citing the version of the IUCN originally used. The search link you gave does not seem to work for me, http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/search/?external%20text=Zeledonia goes to the last search I made, just now for the Dead Sea Sparrow; plus wikimarkup means there would need to be space bars inside species names with more than one word if this worked. Looks like our choices are updating the entire citation at every page (as we need to with citations to old versions such as 2006 already); or mostly for the long term contacting the people who run the Red List website, or archiving all IUCN links (there've been schemes to do that for all links on enwiki but I don't think they've got anywhere yet, perhaps there could be a bot or something to do that for these only). I've archived the IUCN links cited for some articles, including all the Passeridae, and think there should be some provision for using archived urls (the parameters needed, not changing links in these cases), also to allow citing multiple versions. —innotata 15:10, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Oops, you are right, the link does not work. Shyamal (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, not all of the id's were changed[1], but still clearly a lot, maybe all birds. —innotata 23:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Maybe the Red List website has fixed this, since the links I've just tried, like http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/149100, though dead previously now redirect to the new URL. —innotata 15:27, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Good to see that the problem has been solved ! Shyamal (talk) 10:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't think this is solved. The last few links I've tried have been broken. See Yellow-throated Petronia for example. http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/106008391 is wrong and page is now http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/22718299 Maybe the template should be modified to remove the link until this is sorted out. Chuunen Baka (talkcontribs) 11:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit request from Innotata, 18 November 2011[edit]

Please add the parameters that allow archive linking:

| archiveurl =  {{{archiveurl|}}}
| archivedate =  {{{archivedate|}}}

Discussed above; otherwise we'd have to remove this template and fill out the details of the citation into {{cite web}} to link old versions of the source (the 2010.1 version, say).

innotata 23:28, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. Ucucha (talk) 23:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Please change

            | last1={{{last1|}}}
            | first1={{{first1|}}}


            | last1={{{last1|{{{last|}}}}}}
            | first1={{{first1|{{{last|}}}}}}

so "last" and "first" can be used as parameters (they probably already are at some pages). —innotata 23:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

innotata 23:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. Ucucha (talk) 23:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I fear we may have to undo that last edit. I'm not sure, but it appears to be preventing the assessors from appearing in most transclusions of {{IUCN2010}} at least. See Typhlocypris trigonella, which always used to show "Boris Sket" at the start of the citation, but no longer does so. I don't understand why adding the facility to use last= and first= should prevent assessors= or author= from appearing, but that seems to be the cause. --Stemonitis (talk) 20:31, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Are you sure? I haven't investigated fully, but if I understand the cause of the problem correctly, the earlier version should not have worked either. These two edits seem to have fixed the issue; some of the other subtemplates may need edits like those I made to IUCN2010. Ucucha (talk) 22:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Just tested this in the sandbox/testcases, and it looks like the older version was broken, for "assessors" but not "author". —innotata 22:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
By the way, can you add "authors" as another synonym? (I think I've used this.) —innotata 22:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Done. Rich Farmbrough, 13:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC).
Any idea how we fix it? "Assessors" is the standard syntax, so a lot of references are not showing properly. --Stemonitis (talk) 08:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Ignore that. I see you've fixed it. Thanks. --Stemonitis (talk) 08:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Proper name format[edit]

Would the template be an appropriate place to provide any kind of "style guide" as to how names should be included in Wikipedia IUCN citations? I couldn't locate any guidance in Wikipedia's Manual of Style pages. Some example style questions when the "assessor" is a person or group of people:

  • Last name first, or first name first, or whatever IUCN uses for an entry?
  • First initials instead of first names? (assessors = Smith, J; Gomez, J.)
  • Okay to omit multiple assessor names with et al.? (assessors = Smith et al.)

I have seen different approaches to these in Wikipedia, and some Wikipedia citations just copy IUCN's assessor field, which lacks any consistency. I gather the official recommendation of date format for accessdate is to make it consistent with other citation date formats in a particular Wikipedia article, and in the absence of specific guidance I'll use an analogous approach for assessors. Agyle (talk) 08:22, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Should the IUCN templates have one talk page?[edit]

Would it be beneficial for the IUCN templates to share one talk page? For example, I created Template talk:IUCN2010#Question about downloaded date, but the question really pertains to more than one of the templates. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:34, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Does anyone know why there are different IUCN templates? It seems like the Template:IUCN2012.1 is just Template:IUCN with version=2012.1. ––Agyle (talk) 15:32, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Citing Wikipedia[edit]

The IUCN assessment for the Japanese sea lion cites Wikipedia, should it even be used as source beyond conservation status?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  16:38, 23 August 2017 (UTC)