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Proposed addition of a release_number parameter[edit]

I would like to propose the addition of a release_number parameter for Doctor Who books. I know that this parameter has already been added, but since the addition was never formally proposed here, I thought I would retroactively propose the addition. any objections? Frietjes (talk) 21:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

note that there are around 500 or so novels in this category, most of which are now using this parameter. Frietjes (talk) 21:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
@Frietjes: It's only fair that you mention why the parameter was added and also why it is already in use: it was this TfD and the one immediately below it. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
The addition was correctly challenged & reverted. See this appeal to the admin. I find it apalling that this thread is opened as if nothing happened, while he current template version is achieved by disruptive non-talking edit warring. Any editor with a sense of correct procedure would have reverted Pigsonthewing. In this hostage situation, looking for "consensus" with a bleeding nose is not the way to proceed. In this atmosphere, I do not expect that my contributions would be appreciated. -DePiep (talk) 22:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64:, yes, thank you for providing the link. in the edit summary, we were instructed to revert the addition if it is controversial. apparently it is controversial. now, as part of WP:BRD, I am attempting to start a discussion about the merits (or lack of merits) of adding it. Frietjes (talk) 00:21, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
OK, so if the decision is not to include this param, does that mean that the two infoboxes deleted yesterday should be reinstated? --Redrose64 (talk) 00:46, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64:, I could be wrong, but I thought the {{Torchwood book}} template was "unused", so it's not really part of this discussion? as far as the Doctor Who books go, a bot replaced all of them putting the 'release number' into the release_number parameter. so, possible outcomes could be (1) the parameter is deemed to be important enough to keep in the infobox, and nothing happens to the articles, (2) the 'release number' is deemed unimportant, and we just remove the parameter from the infobox, (3) a bot/editor moves the 'release number' to a different location within the infobox (e.g., the notes section), or (4) the Doctor Who book template is resurrected and the entire process is restarted as a merger discussion, or (5) something that I haven't considered. Frietjes (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
on a related note, I would support reverting Plastikspork's changes while this discussion proceeds (as a minimal good faith gesture) since Plastikspork did say "please revert/discuss if this is controversial". Frietjes (talk) 01:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I've informed the most relevant WikiProject, which I think should have been done at the start. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:10, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
re Redrose64: IMO there is no need to introduce the {{Torchwood}} TfD in here. It the has been discussed here and has concluded. -DePiep (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
My suggestion: make this series and number show in the same data row, e.g.: "Series, number 5, 12" or some other format, with the label if-ed. -DePiep (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
It's more problematic. Is a "Release number" an independent number or is it sub to a series (iow, does the numbering restart in a next series)? When answered whichever way, why would we specify this parameter specific for the Dr Who books, while this is the generic Book template? -DePiep (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
One editor disruptively making a point does not amount to a controversy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Of course the parameter should be included. ~500 is not a trivial number of articles. They were, and would again be, would be damaged by its removal. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
  • The parameter should be included. The only objection so far (running to several Kb over many pages) seems to be on a technicality. Oculi (talk) 10:42, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
    • The parameter has been in the template for several days. No other editor has seen fit to remove it. I suggest this section be marked as resolved. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:13, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
      • I don't see how it harms anything to add it, and only helps thing to not remove it, so I say it shouldn't be removed. — Cirt (talk) 16:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Process issues[edit]

Subthread to separate process issues from actual merge discussion. -DePiep (talk) 12:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Image size[edit]

For parameter image_size, it says "Default size is 250px. Use a number to change image size". This is incorrect. The infobox book for Adventures of Huckleberry Finn does not specify a size and it defaults to 220px. The infobox for The Scarlet Letter does not specify a size and it defaults to 183 px; this one uses the "upright" parameter. I suspect that other "defaults" are possible, and we're not explaining it at all here. — Anomalocaris (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

The default "size" is actually frameless the real value of which depends upon the user's preferences, see WP:EIS#Type. The Scarlet Letter overrides the infobox defaults because it uses the full image syntax
| image         = [[File:Title page for The Scarlet Letter.jpg|upright]]
not the bare filename. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:42, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Use abbr tag for ISBN?[edit]

I noticed that an <abbr>...</abbr> tag is not being used with ISBN in the infobox whereas OCLC and LC Class do use it. Is there any particular reason why? If not, perhaps we should change

| label30 = [[International Standard Book Number|ISBN]]

to

| label30 = [[International Standard Book Number|{{abbr|ISBN|International Standard Book Number}}]]

or something similar. Jason Quinn (talk) 20:51, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Just some relevant info: <abbr>...</abbr> is not used by some very old browsers (IE6 and IE7). The rendering is also different on different browsers as Firefox displays an underline while other browsers generally do not. Jason Quinn (talk) 07:32, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Alt and image_size params[edit]

Something appears to be wrong with the alt= and image_size= parameters. I can't change them. – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX! 02:50, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: When the full image syntax is used in the |image= parameter, certain other parameters (|image_size= |alt= |border=) are ignored. I fixed Think and Grow Rich like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:28, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, and forgive me for forgetting that. I increased the size a bit, as I used 100px just to try to get it to change. Anyway, thanks again! Joys! – Paine  10:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

What about a new parameter "website"?[edit]

I think it would be a good idea to add another parameter to the infobox for the official website of a book. These are getting more and more common for books and it would be informative and relevant content. --Fixuture (talk) 21:16, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

This has been suggested before, several times - see the archives. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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A man walks into a shop and asks "Do you have any blue shirts?"

The shopkeeper flies into a rage. "Blue shirts? BLUE SHIRTS!? What is it with you people? I'm sick of explaining about blue shirts. I'll tell you the same as I told the other 99 guys who asked me for blue shirts this week: We don't stock blue shirts. We will never stock blue shirts. And do you know why? I'll tell you that, too. There's no demand for them."

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I would like to see this too. Can someone who knows how to do it go ahead? Sarah (SV) (talk) 16:20, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Given that several people have asked for this in the past, I've gone ahead and added it, tested it, and it seems to be working. Sarah (SV) (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)