Template talk:Infobox Christian leader

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Proposed Change[edit]

I would like to add the parameter "retired" to the Template "Infobox Christian Leader". When active Catholic bishops reach the age of 75, with few exceptions, they are required to submit their resignation to the Vatican, whereby they become a Bishop Emeritus. The parameters "term_start/term_end" address the start/end of a tenure at a diocese, but not whether he has retired or not (e.g. he could be moved into some administrative position). Roberto221 (talk) 18:26, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Support - Its not just Roman Catholic bishops this would be used with. There are others who might have stepped down from their senior posting but who retire later. If someone was Bishop of X from 2001 to 2009 and then returned to parish ministry for a couple of years before retiring, without this new parameter it might appear that they retired in 2009. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 18:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

I propose to merge this infobox into Template:Infobox religious biography as christian leader is a religious person. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 06:20, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Against - There are a lot of differences between the two, most notably the parameters. The Christian leader infobox is specifically set up for bishops or senior priests. The religious biography infobox is to be used when someone is notable for their religous life, but hey are not necessary leaders. Its also used by other religions than just Christians. At the moment 8,512 pages use Christian leader vs 1,106 using religious biography. If anything, religious biography should be merged into this one, except that they have different coverage. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 18:01, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Abbot parameter required[edit]

Propose that additional parameter "blessed" below "consecrated" be created as abbots are blessed, bishops are consecrated. --Bill Reid | (talk) 16:08, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Against, that section is specifically about ordination. Abbots are senior priests, not another order. You could use |elected= to show when he was elected and then use |term_start= to show when they officially took up the post (if it coincides, add (blessed) at the end of the start date). Or you just have when they were "blessed" in the main section of the article. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 17:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Abbots are prelates, usually mitered and are leaders of Christian communities. Historically, they very often represented kings in ambassadorial roles and appointed directly by Popes. I would dispute that they were merely senior priests. --Bill Reid | (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
For individual mitred abbots who were ordained and consecrated to the order of bishop, then, sure, they're not "merely senior priests". DBD 20:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Oppose It's a difference without distinction. I support use of "elected" to indicate a term as abbot. I don't this is a case for a coding change. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:08, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Oppose because the term blessed is very generic, and also because such blessing is not a key notable step in their live to merit a separated notation in the infobox. However such blessing, at least according with Catholic and Orthodox theology, is not a sacrament, but such section includes also created cardinal that also is not a sacrament A ntv (talk) 20:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

So just to be clear, then. This infobox isn't designed to cater for the entire prelature within the Catholic Church and the simple addition of 'Abbatial blessing' and 'Blessed by' is unacceptable. --Bill Reid | (talk) 18:39, 21 April 2017 (UTC)