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Needs traded_as field (and possibly others)[edit]

In common with the comments above, I think this infobox needs the potential to host all the information that might be found in Infobox country. For example, I came to the Aer Lingus page looking for their stock market codes (the field traded_as in the company infobox) but it's not present. There's no parent company here, Aer Lingus actually is the listed entity. I think all such fields should be optionally available here. Thanks!  — Amakuru (talk) 17:27, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I came here to request the same thing. Sometimes ownership of the airline is a company without an article (possibly because the company is not notable enough to have an article separate from the airline) and sometimes the company which owns the airline also owns other (but smaller) airlines. For this reason, I think the "traded as" code should contain the name of the corporation in small font on the first line with the stock code on the second. AHeneen (talk) 20:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I am not convinced that stock codes have any encyclopedic merit in airline articles, I had to look up what they were so hardly of note to the average reader. MilborneOne (talk) 22:31, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
They are noteworthy for articles about businesses/corporations/etc which are publicly traded. The reason I believe they belong in this template is because the airline infobox is used on airline articles where there is no separate article about the company, in which case Template:Infobox company would be used. Exceptions I've found are where multiple airlines are owned by one group or one airline is owned by a holding company: LATAM Airlines Group, AMR Corporation, International Airlines Group, Air France–KLM, United Continental Holdings, Frontier Airlines Holdings. However, this information is not present in the infobox on airlines like Delta Air Lines, Qantas, Southwest Airlines, or Malaysian Airlines, where the company owning the airline (Delta Air Lines, Inc.; Qantas Airways Limited; Southwest Airlines Co.; Malaysian Airline System) has no separate article (the stock code may be in the first sentence, however). AHeneen (talk) 23:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 09:51, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Regarding User:AHeneens comment, I don't think the stock code should be in lead. WP:TICKER gives arguments for removing it and suggests putting it in an infobox. I would support adding it to this infobox. --Svgalbertian (talk) 18:19, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Agree As long as an airline is a company, which seems to be the case, the infobox should include the traded_as parameter.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 19:46, 7 July 2015 (UTC)-
Agree makes sense to have the associated financial data similar to the company infobox.Devopam (talk) 13:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I've reset the edit request. When the airline article is for the publicly-traded company, it should have the parameter |traded_as= like Template:Infobox company has. This is a noteworthy aspect of any business that is publicly traded. See WP:TICKER and this RfC about ticker symbols in leads for reasons why the ticker symbol should be in the infobox. Airlines are no less a company than any other. Of course, as with businesses, this would only be used in cases where the airline and publicly-traded company are the same (ie. don't merit separate articles) and won't be used in cases where there are separate companies, eg. Delta Air Lines is not substantially different than the publicly-traded company Delta Air Lines, Incorporated (wouldn't consider a separate article) and thus would include NYSEDAL. It would not be added to subsidiaries such as British Airways (part of publicly-traded International Airlines Group) or brand names like Delta Connection, just like business subsidiaries like GE Capital don't have a stock ticker only their publicly-traded parent (in this case, General Electric) does.The last two comments came after I mentioned this discussion at WikiProject Companies (in a way to encourage discussion here, not to canvas). Even without that support, there have been three supporters of this parameters with clear and reasonable arguments for its inclusion (plus another in an archived discussion) vs. one editor giving a fallacious argument. AHeneen (talk) 23:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

 Done --Ahecht (TALK
) 15:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Add field for Ticket Stock number[edit]

I would like to add the airline's ticket stock number (a three digit number) to the template - and also use that data, as it becomes available, for an automatically created list of ticket stock numbers. This information is sometimes hard to come by. However, I don't know how to do this on Wikipedia. :-) Ds77 (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree that this template needs the "traded_as" field for the stock code/number, such as found in Template:Infobox company. This was previously discussed above in the section Needs traded_as field (and possibly others) with compelling arguments but no clear consensus for inclusion, but the above comment is the second additional person supporting this field. As such, I have added the edit request. AHeneen (talk) 01:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Ds77 is talking about the three-digit "prefix" or "accounting" codes. These are allotted by IATA and appear on printed tickets. I'm disabling {{Edit template-protected}}, which should only be used when there's consensus for a change. Alakzi (talk) 01:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
As we are not a travel guide I cant see any encyclopedic value in the accounting code being displayed, which as far as I know are never mentioned in the article body because they are not notable. Perhaps something for wikidata. MilborneOne (talk) 11:41, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it would be convenient to add that field. IATA names it "Accounting code (PAX)" and/or "Airline prefix code", as seen in their code look-up page: http://www.iata.org/publications/Pages/code-search.aspx. For instance, if you search for LH, you will see that the prefix code is 220. So, what about prefix_code for that new field? I can add it in case you agree. -- Denis.arnaud (talk) 16:49, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
As already mentioned this is not a travel guide and it has no encyclopedic value so I don't agree that it should be added here, perhaps a field for wikidata. MilborneOne (talk) 11:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Planned Hub[edit]

I would like to ask if putting "planned" after a specific airport which is considered as secondary hub is accepted or not? I have noticed an edit on Philippine Airlines where Clark International Airport is planned to become PAL's secondary hub. SkyHigher (talk) 03:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

It may be best to wait until it actually is, and planned things can just be mentioned in the main body. MilborneOne (talk) 20:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Airport lounges[edit]

A list of the names, but not of which airport, of various airport lounges in infobox (see infobox of the article of Cathay Pacific) would be meaningless to a novice. Is there any encyclopedic value for such list?---Now wiki (talk) 15:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Not really most of the stuff we have on lounges is bordering on travel guide stuff, so unless they are individually notable for some reason you are probably right and should not be included in the infobox. MilborneOne (talk) 20:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Noted.---Now wiki (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
When will the template be updated???---Now wiki (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
I agree that the names of airport lounges is unnecessary. AHeneen (talk) 01:43, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
done. Frietjes (talk) 14:53, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Additional fields[edit]

It would be great if we could add additional fields of stats that are commonly measured like PRKs (revenue per passenger kilometer), ASK (available seat kilometers), Load factor, and Passengers per year. Is anyone willing to do this?Keizers (talk) 19:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Most readers probably would not have a clue what they are, are this figures actually included in the main body of the article? Appears to be something that could be done in wikidata rather than here. MilborneOne (talk) 20:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Load factor is usually a value that is used to measure the performance of a particular route, I don't think I have ever seen it used to measure the performance of an entire airline. ASK and annual revenue passengers are common figures to measure airline performance and would be appropriate measurements for the infobox. I'm not too sure about whether PRKs would be appropriate. AHeneen (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2017 (UTC)