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Gender identity [from LGBT sidebar][edit]

As it is a template about LGBT, the T should also be represented. Maybe a section called Gender identity should be added under the Sexual orientation one, and include transgender, transexual, cisgender, intersex, third gender or genderqueer articles as well. DaddyCell (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I like this idea too. This sounds like a good addition.Tech12 (talk) 20:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
If you read intersex you will see that it doesn't belong under gender identity, any more than it belongs under sexual orientation. Trankuility (talk) 21:24, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I looked through the edit history; seems like this section has been added and removed since the discussion above took place. We still lack a category where we can link any of the above. Since the "Sexual Orientation" section duplicates half of the links immediately above it, it might make more sense NOT to link to individual sexual orientations in this section, and leave it as a section that collates broader information on demographics, biology, environment, etc. of sexual orientation. Seems to me that the part above it,
is where things like intersex would go. So I'm proposing that the links to homosexuality, bisexuality, and pan/poly, be removed from this section, and that the top header be changed to
lesbiangaybisexual (pansexualitypolysexuality) ∙ transgenderqueerintersexasexual
(I noticed that the asexual link got removed from Sexual Orientation last year, despite discussion here that suggests it shouldn't!)
I think that gender is a separate issue. It makes sense to me to have a section that collates different pages that address LGBT+ aspects of gender, whether that's about being genderqueer, third/fourth/fifth genders, ball culture, butch/femme gender expressions, or whatever. But I think what's needed there is for somebody to propose what should be in it and let the subheading follow from that, and I don't have a solid vision for it. Oakling (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Detransition as identity [from LGBT sidebar][edit]

I added cisgender and detransitioner to the identities section of this template. Another user left cisgender there but moved detransitioner to the healthcare section (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:LGBT_sidebar&oldid=882078649) with the note "not an identity - just going back to cisgender". While I appreciate not striking the additions, and I'm not at this time reverting the move, I must ask that this editor and other editors not dismiss detransitioners as "just cisgender", and not dismiss detransitioners' needs as "medical" only. Detransitioners are a unique and emergent identity group, whose experiences, perspectives, and needs aren't limited to healthcare (but also include great legal and social challenges). Most detransitioners are gender-conformists. Most become gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Many refuse the labels of cisgender, transgender, and non-binary (while some do adopt these). Please do not dismiss this group's right to self-identify. Thank you. A145GI15I95 (talk) 18:47, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Sidebar templates link to major topics, but there's no article on a "detransitioner" identity, and one seems unlikely to meet general notability guidelines, in part because the phenomenon is so exceedingly rare and, as you note, new. Even the article on the process of detransition faces a dearth of high-quality medical sources, as discussed at length on its talk page. I had removed it from this sidebar because this (broader-LGNT) sidebar omitted transition-related articles (on transition and on reassignment surgery and therapy); if we are going to link as obscure a topic as detransition here, I will add the transition links. -sche (talk) 00:10, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
There is no independent, direct, empirical evidence that detransition is "exceedingly rare", and (as I've stated multiple times on Talk:Detransition) I wish you'd stop making such claim, please. I agree that acknowledgment of detransitioners' existence is new. A145GI15I95 (talk) 00:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


In this diff, a user removed detransitioners, claiming "not a notable gender identity". This same user has similarly attempted to deny the existence of the detrans community in this talk page diff for the linked page.

Detransitioners are indeed a marginalized community within the LGBT+. Over the last decade, they've struggled for healthcare and legal assistance. They've tweeted and blogged and vlogged and formed online support groups and gathered secretly in person. In the last two to three years, the media has begun to take notice, as shown by the increase in news coverage, increase in Google Trends, and the backlash of those who continue to seek to deny and erase their existence.

Please let's re-include this link here. Thank you. A145GI15I95 (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Following the suggestion of another editor, I've added it instead to the more generic "related" section instead of the "gender id" section. Thank you, A145GI15I95 (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 February 2020[edit]

Please add Gender expression to Related section of Gender identity/Sexual identity collapsible group of the navbox. (talk) 04:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC) (talk) 04:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done Interstellarity (talk) 11:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)