Template talk:Leaders of British political parties

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Re Caroline Lucas(Green Party leadership election - 5 Sept, 2008)[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} Could someone please update info for Caroline Lucas MEP leader of the Green Party. Have updated on main list but have no access to change this one? Cheers, bisto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by bisto143 (talkcontribs)

Yes check.svg Done, now added to the template. ~ mazca t | c 17:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Lucas has been removed as the green party are no longer represented in the UK parliament.--Lucy-marie (talk) 19:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Nigel Farage/UKIP[edit]

I have removed Nigel Farage from the list. According to the page on Bob Spink, Spink is an Independent, not UKIP, MP and so UKIP has no Westminster representation.

Perhaps it might be in order to have an extra section in this template indicating parties with MEPs? Uncantabrigian (talk) 19:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm reinstating Farage; UKIP has members in the House of Lords.--Mas 18 dl (talk) 19:40, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2015[edit]

Add "Tim Farron" to Liberal Democrats. He was elected on 16 July 2015. (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Thanks for pointing that out. - Arjayay (talk) 11:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Parties or Groups[edit]

Is this really a list of Leaders of British political parties? Or is it a list of group leaders within the various legislatures in the UK?

  • Douglas Carswell (UKIP) & David McNarry (UKIP)
  • Martin McGuinness (Sinn Féin)
  • Nigel Dodds (DUP) and Peter Robinson (DUP)
  • Angus Robertson (SNP) and Nicola Sturgeon (SNP) (talk) 18:37, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I don't know what the answers should be to these questions, but I'd completely agree with the notion that this template is confusing. Also, I think that it is rather preposterous that a template with the words "Leaders of political parties in the United Kingdom" written across the top of it should make no mention of Natalie Bennett or Nigel Farage, despite their parties' significant elected representation. RedvBlue 19:39, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

House of Lords[edit]

Why is the house of Lords excluded from this? (talk) 19:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Another good reason why this template needs looking at.
I really think that there needs to be a solution put in place for these problems. There is the 'Template:British political parties' which could act as a good guideline for the parties which need including here. At the same time, maybe that template could act as the one which readers should go to if they want to see which party is represented in which institution, whereas this template could simply name the leaders of all the parties on that template, while being careful not to repeat any names. I don't think that we need two templates telling us where all the politicians are in place, so I think that we can change this template to just an alphabetical list of the parties with the names of their leaders. RedvBlue 23:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
I would tend to agree with you, there are many issues with this Template:
  • This is a list of group leaders of groups within legislatures in the UK, not party leaders
  • Representatives in the House of Lords and European Parliament are not included
  • Minor parties have no inclusion/exclusion criteria
As you suggest a simple list of "Leaders of British political parties" and their parties would fix these problems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:08, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Well, the first thing to consider is what the new look of this template should be. Should it be 'David Cameron (Conservative)' or 'Conservative: David Cameron'? I'd probably favour the first of those two options, seeing as this template is supposed to be about the leaders, rather than the parties. The next issue is whether to alphabetise the template based on parties, or leader's surnames. I'd probably favour doing it by parties, as that would probably make it easier for readers to navigate in most circumstances, although that would seem to contradict what I just said about the template being about the leaders first.
I'd say that the second thing to think about would be whether it would still be a good idea to include all the group leaders in one place, though not this template. A new template could be created, specialising in group leaders. However, I believe that would still lead to confusion, as I think a lot of readers could still end up nonplussed as to why Natalie Bennett, for example, would not warrant inclusion. Maybe the best answer to this is to list them all in the 'Leaders of political parties in the United Kingdom' article, which is linked to across the top of this template. That article already seems to be operating on a basis of group leaders. Yet, one glance at the 'Leaders in the House of Commons' section, and I can already see that the article itself has no idea which rules to follow.
With regards to inclusion criteria for this template, that is an issue which could potentially lead to a long and drawn out discussion. As a means to bypass this, I suggested using the parties listed in the template that I mentioned when I made my previous comment, as it will already have its own inclusion criteria. RedvBlue 16:27, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
So my First draft:

Main parties in Westminster, Europe or devolved legislature, No changes to minor

Don't know what happened to this discussion but I fully support changing to your draft RedvBlue. I came to this talk page because it is preposterous to have a template stating that, among other things, Douglas Carswell is the leader of UKIP. He is not. Jdcooper (talk) 21:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2016[edit]

Change the incorrect claim that Caroline Lucas is leader of the Green Party so that it makes clear Natalie Bennett is the current leader. 2A02:C7D:411F:EC00:95EB:54AA:7BF:C8AC (talk) 23:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Music1201 talk 01:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)