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The map is old and somewhat limited. It is also meaningless without a key. I suggest a different image is picked. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 19:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC).

I am removing the map. If anyone wants to Revert and Discuss, feel free. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 21:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC).
@Rich Farmbrough: But the key is available under the caption link – see Boundless Informant. --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 19:36, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The key I refer to is the one linking the colours to the numbers. I opposed deleting the image for having no key (see the en:WP talk page for the image) but I cannot support having it in this sidebar. It conveys nothing, it is a map of the world with some green and some red on it. Even with an explanation it represents a snapshot of statistics for one of many NSA programs, and an outdated snapshot at that. It is in no way symbolic of the NSA. I am not arguing that it is not an important document, but that it is not a recognisable or informative symbol for a sidebar. All the best: Rich Farmbrough01:33, 11 November 2014 (UTC).
Original from Xanchester
Boundless Informant data collection - my vector version
I noted that the one thing which wrong, is that is outdated. But IMO this map is pretty appropriate for this. @Xanchester: you created this template with a map, I vectorised. Do you agree with me? --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 10:23, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
OK, I'm restoring this per WP:SILENCE. --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 08:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

You have not addressed my concerns:

  • It conveys nothing, it is a map of the world with some green and some red on it.
  • Even with an explanation it represents a snapshot of statistics for one of many NSA programs, and an outdated snapshot at that.
  • It is in no way symbolic of the NSA.
  • It is a waste of real-estate in the articles using the sidebar.

I would argue that it is also verging on, if not actually, NPOV, or at least WP:UNDUE if sufficient explanation were provided.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough21:24, 21 December 2014 (UTC).