Template talk:Namespaces

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Thread and Summary namespaces[edit]

I removed Thread and Summary namespaces which currently, I think, are not namespaces.

This template is currently transcluded at Wikipedia:Namespace which states there are 10 basic namespaces but the template table contained 12, which was very confusing.

A discussion [Wikipedia_talk:Namespace#Thread_space.3F_Summary_space.3F here] says they are for mw:Extension:LiquidThreads , which to the best of my knowledge does not make them currently namespaces. --phauly (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

There's an RFD related to this template[edit]

There's an RFD related to this template at Wikipedia:Rfd#Wikipedia:File_namespace. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 10:36, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

On a singular talk namespace[edit]

To DePiep: Since these are all actually in the same namespace, "talkspace", I felt it was misleading and confusing to call them "talk namespaces". Technically, "Wikipedia talk:" is no different from "Help talk:" is no different from "Template talk:" – they are all in "talkspace". I thought this would be uncontroversial; however, I am glad to discuss it with you.

I do a lot of redirect categorization, and one that I use from time-to-time is {{R to talk}}. I recently emptied its cat, Redirects to talk pages, of all talk-page redirects and I found that it's very confusing to editors to see talkspace as several different talk spaces. So there were a lot of redirects that were at, say, "Help talk" and that targeted, say, "Wikipedia talk" and were tagged with {{R to talk}}. But that Rcat should only be used to tag redirects that are outside talkspace when they target pages that are inside talkspace. Can you see how leaving it "Talk namespaces" in this template is misleading and confusing? especially for newer editors? – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 12:12, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but I agree with DePiep. There is not one single talk namespace, as Template:Namespaces clearly shows. Each subject namespace has its own distinct talk namespace, e.g., the Template talk: namespace (11) is "technically" distinct from the Wikipedia talk: namespace (5). To assert otherwise will confuse readers. What I sometimes find confusing is the rationale behind the "R to..." series of templates. {{R to talk page}} at first glance implies a redirect to namespace 1, the Talk: namespace. But actually it says talk page not talk namespace, and while namespace is very specific, the term talk page is a more general term that can more broadly be used for all of the talk namespaces. The template name says nothing about where the redirect is coming from, just that it is going to a talk page. If "R from talk to talk" is outside of the desired scope, then perhaps a rename to {{R from subject page to talk page}} would help. In any event, the purpose should be clearly explained by the template documentation. – Wbm1058 (talk) 14:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
That makes a lot of sense to me Wbm1058. I suppose it can be said that for the purposes of redirect categorization there is only one talk namespace, which is represented by all the talk pages regardless of what namespace their content page is in. On the other hand, for all other purposes I do see where it may be confusing to singularize "Talk namespaces". Perhaps the R to talk page category's name should be changed. For example, the category name for the R to template namespace Rcat is Category:Redirects to template from non-template namespace. We might want to consider a similar name for the Redirects to talk pages category – perhaps something like Category:Redirects to talk page from non-talk-page namespaces. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 15:17, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict)First, to be clear about the words. "subject" and "talk" are those complementary opposites, always. They make the pair, both per page and per namespace.
Re PE. In your first paragraph you talk about "one" talkspace, where all x_talkpages would be. That is not true. There are 13 independent, differently named and identified talkspaces. Your confused reader is probably confused by ... someone saying that there is only one talkspace.  :::Very often "talkspace" can be singular without any confusion at all. That is good then. This is mostly when thinking/talking from a subject page or from a subject space. A subject page has a talkpage. A subject space has a talkspace. All correct.
Still no problem when you use the {{R to talk}} as you describe. But we must remember it is a simplification. It actually means to say: {R to a talkpage}, or {R to a talkspace}. If you can handle the redirects with that simplification: OK & fine. But do not let the language come back to bite you. What you describe is: I have this single template with that name, and it works for its purpose, so by reverse all talkpages are in that one. That reversal grouping is the illogical step.
As a table column header the plural is correct (and very clear for any reader, I dare say, who arrives here). It also is in good balance & complementary with the opponent, "subject namespaces". I am not saying that your template topic should change to plurals or to specific ns names - again, if it works for you its OK. I even guess that the essence for that template is only about redirecting to a talkspace (any). (but if it confuses you you might want to think again: what if you'd approach them as separates? - just a hint).
Don't think I can explain it any better. Glad Wbm gave it a try too. -DePiep (talk) 15:29, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
No, DePiep, you both have explained it very well, and I do understand it from a more general, less (Rcat) specific point-of-view. It is better to see all the talk pages as just as different as all the content pages for most purposes. It would probably be unnecessary to have different redirect categories for each different type of talk page, but who knows? There may come a time when that will become necessary. At any rate, thank you for catching my mistake, and thank you both for your lucid explanations! Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 16:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)