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Cooper?[edit]

IIRC, Hanging with Mr. Cooper was never produced by Nickelodeon (original run was 1992-97 on ABC), so why is it listed on this template? WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

This template is for any show (Nick produced or not) that aired on SNICK or TeenNick. --Caldorwards4 (talk) 22:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

2005-Present[edit]

Unless something's still airing in the present, it probably shouldn't be listed, seperation between any time and the present should be from the original time things were the present's norm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.38.98 (talk) 11:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Color and order[edit]

I think that there is need for it to be in the "currently running" order since u can always view the show's time period on the shows's page or on the wiki page that says the list of original shows from that channel,the reason for the color is that is is more appealing to the eye and it represents that channel's official color.I really hope that you will respect my decision.744cody (talk) 20:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree, orange is associated with it, and should be used. 117Avenue (talk) 00:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Crashletes and Other Non-Distributed Shows[edit]

The reason that shows such as Crashletes is not put on the page is due to the fact that they are not produced by Nickelodeon. It thus, does not make them an original Nickelodeon show. It is the same thing as how DC shows are put on Cartoon Network. They are distributed by the network, but not produced. Tapper930 (talk) 06:43, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, if true, this seems like it might be a valid point. Can anyone check Crashletes and Jagger Eaton vs., say, Henry Danger, and see if they've got the "Nickelodeon" production card at the end of the show? Amaury?... --IJBall (contribstalk) 00:30, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
@IJBall: Yes. For confirmation, skip to to the black line toward the end, where the credits are and watch. These episodes don't require logging in:
Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:04, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
OK, I just checked the Jagger Eaton one there, and the Nickelodeon production card is indeed there. Based on that, both should stay in the list, unless someone can produce a bona fide WP:RS actually stating that they aren't a "Nickelodeon original series". But anything short of that, and it looks like they should stay in. --IJBall (contribstalk) 01:12, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
There is a difference between what is a true "Nickelodeon Production", and thus an original series, and one that simply carries the logo for the network. The show is distributed by Nickelodeon Studios, however, it is not produced by them. Many stations distribute a program and still show their logo because they have influence in it. This can be seen often when you look in the credits of programs on PBS such as "Call the Midwife", which is a BBC program rather than a PBS one. To be an original production of a studio, that studio must produce that program, and not simply distribute it.Tapper930 (talk) 03:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
And who decides that? You? No. That doesn't matter. It has the Nickelodeon card at the end, it originated from Nickelodeon and is a Nickelodeon series. Plain and simple. Again, what is or isn't a Nickelodeon series isn't for you to decide. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:56, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Regardless, at this point you need a WP:RS verifying that it's not a "Nickelodeon production" or a "Nickelodeon Original Series". In the absence of that, the Nickelodeon production card at the end of these shows is enough to justify their inclusion here. --IJBall (contribstalk) 04:16, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
As I said, I am not deciding on anything. I am simply following something that has been done for as long as I can remember. This is a definition of how networks work. Again, simply having the Nickelodeon card, originating on Nickelodeon, and being a series currently on Nickelodeon does not make it an original series of the network. I will give a simple example that I have found that shows that the Nickelodeon card does not signify a show being an original production of the network. As we all know well, Yu-Gi-Oh! is a series that does not originate in the United States anywhere, but rather Japan. Thus, no network here could call it its original series. At the same time, the first series was picked up by the Kids' WB when it first aired. Yet, even when all of this is said and done, the Nickelodeon network still put their production logo at the end of the credits when they picked the series up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2cIZtUpTe0 This shows that Nickelodeon will show the logo at the end, regardless of whether the show is theirs, due to the fact that the network is theirs and they have payed to distribute the show.Tapper930 (talk) 02:45, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
You're not exactly proving your case, just more empty talk because you can't accept that you're wrong. The series were ordered by Nickelodeon, originated in the US, and have the Nickelodeon card at the end. You're also trying to argue over a small technicality. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:54, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
You pretty much proved what I was saying right there with the statement. They ordered the making of the show, true. However, they did not produce them and the show was not created at the Nickelodeon Studios, thus not making it an original production. As I said before, it is like Cartoon Network-a Turner corporation-making a deal with Warner Bros. and then ordering the making of a DC superhero show. This does not make the show an original to that network. I have given proof as to why they have to produce the show to call it an original. They post their logo at the end to state that they distributed it, as can be seen in the Yu-Gi-Oh! show that they had the American rights to, but were not creating.
What I am arguing is that all shows need to have proof that they were produced by Nickelodeon in order to be on this list. Otherwise, it can't be called "Nickelodeon Original Series", as the list states.Tapper930 (talk) 05:12, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
You're being pedantic and arguing over a minor technicality. This is pretty much for any Nickelodeon series. You've provided proof of nothing, and unless you work for the network and know the exact workings, you do not get to decide what is included or not included here. If it has the Nickelodeon card at the end, it is included here. End of discussion. Just because you don't like it or refuse to accept it does not mean it shouldn't belong here. I'm done discussing this with you. IJBall can provide further feedback if he has any, but I'm done here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
No, this is not a minor detail. Just as they tell us "An all new original series", they also, at times, bring up a series that is not an original one. What I am seeing more is that you don't like that an original edit of yours was removed, and you simply can't take the reasoning that I have brought up. There is a way to solve this that you haven't brought up. We have the list that is here that has "Original" series, and another that has "Non-Original" series, or, in other words, acquired programming, such as Alvinnn!!! and the Chipmunks, the Power Rangers, or any Anime show. This would provide more clarity of the list and make it easier for people to find what they are looking for.Tapper930 (talk) 06:47, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Still need a source. I am seeing nothing in the press releases of these two shows, and something like Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, to indicate that there's a difference. At this point, you need to provide a source that Nickelodeon is not involved in the production of these at all. Because I have so far seen nothing to verify that. --IJBall (contribstalk) 15:58, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
There is enough proof right on the pages themselves. If you look to the links, you will see that there is no credit for Nickelodeon besides distributing them. Even IMDB, which is allowed as a source for credits if the program is currently or formally running, states Nickelodeon only as a distribution network. Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn is stated on other sites as being produced by the Nickelodeon Studios. If you look around the web, you will see that there is no proof anywhere else that the network does produce Crashletes. Again, they put their logo at the end of the shows they own the rights to to show that they own them, as can be seen with the Yu-Gi-Oh! program. Tapper930 (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Though I don't watch these shows, I agree with Amaury that in this case unless you have a reliable source stating otherwise, we should include them. I know what you're talking about, for example Netflix likes to call many shows such as Shadowhunters and Lost & Found Music Studios "original" series in countries where they have an exclusive license. But there's no obvious other network the shows would belong to according to a reliable source in this case. Also, "... IMDB, which is allowed as a source for credits if the program is currently or formally running, ..." – that's news to me, since when is IMDb allowed as a source? As far as I know, it may be used for convenience sometimes, but not as a trustworthy source of information. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:28, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, to me, the production card in the end-credits is hard to ignore. That implies to me that these series are at least Nick co-productions (and co-productions should "count" for this template list, IMO). I went ahead and looked at the press releases for the premieres of these two shows, and then the press releases for the premieres of a couple of other (scripted) Nick shows that are definitely "Nickelodeon Original Series" at The Futon Critic, and there was no difference in the various press releases. So I can't find anything that suggests Crashletes and Jagger Eaton... should be treated differently than any other show on the list. Until a WP:RS is produced showing something else, I believe they need to be kept in the list. --IJBall (contribstalk) 14:58, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
As I stated numerous times, when a network puts the label at the end, it signifies simply the they own the rights to the show. Not that they have produced the show, nor that they have created it. In order for a network to call a series its original program, it must have been the one to have created it, not have simply acquired the rights to it. From what I was able to find, the press releases simply stated that Nickelodeon announced the green light of the project. (Side note: there were many misspellings in the release) When a company green-lights something, they simply state that they approve with it, and will take it in. That does not mean that they are to be the ones who produce it, nor the ones who originate it.
To answer your question about wikipedia's IMDB uses, here is the page regarding the rules: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_IMDb. True that the rules regarding writing and company credits for television shows that have aired are not posted, but I assume that they apply the same for film rules. Also, true that they are in the disputed section, but the source is still more that any other source that has been found thus far.Tapper930 (talk) 19:15, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Nick Pakistan[edit]

Hi! A series Burka Avenger is officially originally broadcast on Nickelodeon (Pakistan) since 2014. Should it be mentioned in here? Also in Category:2010s Nickelodeon shows? Thanks! M. Billoo 04:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Due to the fact that the show is not produced by the Nickelodeon company, I don't believe it is an original Nickelodeon series, but simply airing on Nickelodeon. It is similar to the recent "Chipmunk" series that has been put on Nickelodeon.Tapper930 (talk) 15:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)