Template talk:Norse paganism topics
|WikiProject Norse history and culture||(Rated NA-class)|
|WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies||(Rated Template-class)|
- 1 Weapons, armor, and tools/objects
- 2 Germanic mythology
- 3 Later influence
- 4 Norse Mythology > Germanic Heathenry
- 5 Perhaps a further subdivision of the Aesir and Vanir?
- 6 Repeated addition of "demons" to template
- 7 Edit request from Chainkill, 17 November 2010
- 8 Asatru or Germanic Neopaganism?
- 9 Add to the template
Weapons, armor, and tools/objects
Been going through the norse mythology articles and realized it's much harder to look up these things than it should be, would it be possible to get some listings added here? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:52, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
This template is really cool. However the problem is that gods like Thor and Freya are not only Norse but Germanic mythology as well. Somehow a better solution needs to be found to reflect that as well, because creating two separate templates would be a bit tedious and could clutter articles... any solutions? Gryffindor 23:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
- Generally, "Germanic" refers to all Teutonic peoples, with "Continental German" referring to those specifically on the European continent. Thus, "Germanic" would include the Germans, Frisians, Anglo-Saxons, Norse, Franks, Vandals, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Danes, Lombards, and so forth... So I think that simply renaming the template to "Germanic Heathenry would be the solution. Ƿōdenhelm (talk) 05:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Norse Mythology > Germanic Heathenry
I'm the one who made the change, and I did it primarily for better technical accuracy. The current title would imply that the religion was not only:
- Unique to the ancient Norse, but also;
- Is no longer practiced (per use of the term "mythology").
And in all truthfulness, neither of these are true. "Germanic" is an umbrella term, used to cover all non-Celtic/Gaelic, non-Slavic, non-Greco/Roman peoples of ancient Europe. These people include the Anglo-Saxons/English, the Norse (Scandinavians), the continental Germans (Saxons, Alemanni, Ostrogoths, Visigoths), the Vandals of northern Africa, the Dutch, Frisians, and so forth.
During ancient times, this faith applied to all of these peoples, over various periods of time.
Next, the term "mythology" is inaccurate today, due to the reconstructionist revival movements who are intent on reviving the ancient faith... which includes the biggest label name currently in use by practicing members, "Ásatrú." And as a final point for using "Heathenry," this was a genuine ancient term, as the Old English word for a practicing member was hǣðen. I'm a Heathen, and I speak Old English. I know what I'm talking about.
I'll leave the title as it is for now, in order to give people enough time to see my message about it on this discussion page. The faith is not unique to the Norse only (most people only interpret it that way, due to the fact that most written sources come from the Norse and Icelanders), but it being labeled as (unpracticed) "mythology" is also inaccurate. This is an encyclopedia... let's keep things accurate.
Perhaps a further subdivision of the Aesir and Vanir?
- After the Æsir-Vanir war, the Vanir are also considered a part of the Æsir. Going to Vanir (which I've rewritten from scratch and am in the process of expanding) will further explain the situation. For the purpose of this template, I don't think the distinction is necessary. We can't go into too much detail here. I'm currently debating a 'Vanir' template. :bloodofox: (talk) 06:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I have now made this change, based on the texts and the considerable body of scholarship about the Æsir-Vanir war and the distinction between them. This distinction has also been called into question, but the grouping remains useful and it doesn't matter in that respect that it only has 3 confirmed members. I also think this is more appropriate than a separate Vanir template. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:43, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Repeated addition of "demons" to template
Over (at least) the last several months, this template has been the target of the addition of "demons" and some other inaccurate tomfoolery. Please revert on sight. Thank you. :bloodofox: (talk) 02:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Chainkill, 17 November 2010
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In the list of the gods, Freyr is listed among the Aesir gods. He is of the Vanir gods, as is stated in the second paragraph of his entry on wikipedia. The peaceful, agrarian focused gods were Vanir deities, and the warlike, conquering deities were the first generation of the Aesir. (Subsequent generations of the Aesir produced more peaceful deities, such as Baldur, primarily because of intermarriages with the Vanir.)
- In the mythological timeline, the Æsir–Vanir War results in the semi-unification of these groups, with the Vanir being considered something of subgroup. Characterizing the Vanir as "peaceful, agrarian focused gods" is not correct; see Vanir. :bloodofox: (talk) 23:29, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: per comment above. -Atmoz (talk) 15:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Asatru or Germanic Neopaganism?
In the template (at the bottom) "Asatru" is used, though that link links to Germanic Neopaganism. Would it not be appropriate to use Germanic Neopaganism instead in the template then? - Cilibinarii (talk) 09:56, 10 July 2011 (UTC)