Template talk:Orson Scott Card

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Novels only currently[edit]

as I understand it these are only his Novels. If we want to good beyond Novels the template should be renamed to deal with all his "Works". Something like {{OrsonScottCard}} as many other similar or {{Orson Scott Card works}}. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You are absolutely right. When I started the template it was just for his novels. However as I began working on Card’s short story collections I decided to add them. I was tempted to use the “move” tab to change the name but since I put the template on the bottom of every novel, short story collection and short story Card wrote it would take me hours to change all the {{Novels by Orson Scott Card}} tags to {{Books by Orson Scott Card}}. Pmcalduff 10:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok I have the tools I'll do the work. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Pmcalduff 10:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


Orson Scott Card is the writer for two prominent comic series, Ultimate Iron Man and its sequel, Ultimate Iron Man Volume 2. Should these be included in the template, since they are his works? I know the template is busy as it is, and I'm not sure if these would go into standalone works or their own category, but I think that they should be included, if possible. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 20:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

This template is way too big as it is. Besides if I include Iron Man I would have to include Card's other comic book series. And then there is his nonfiction, his writing books, his plays etc. A line has to be drawn somewhere.Pmcalduff (talk) 01:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

I think that the following templates can (and should) be merged into Template:Orson Scott Card

  1. Template:Enderseries
  2. Template:AlvinMakerSeries

After some work Template:Orson Scott Card now has the same information as those other ones. Additionally Template:Orson Scott Card has the option of expanding the Ender's and Alvin Maker sections, so that all the information is "expanded when appropriate. Since all the books using these templates should have Template:Orson Scott Card on it, it only makes since to combine all three.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 17:08, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I see that all of the information was combined, but this makes for a very large navbox. Very unnavigatable. Maybe its just me, but I kept clicking the wrong section when trying to look for specific information. This navbox isn't good for potential readers who do not have a general understanding of OSC and his works. An example is a reader who read the first in the Alvin Maker series and wants to learn more about it would have to navigate the box trying to make heads or tails of thing. I would actually support breaking up the navbox as it currently is. But, that's just my two cents. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 17:36, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean. The only change to the Alvin Maker sections that I made was the addition of the "Short stories Comics MMORPG" information from the template. Even if you break the page apart, the Alvin Maker books are going to have to be listed, meaning that you only gain one line.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 17:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I better separate them by color. The changes I made only added 6 lines to the entire template. Since the is "Works by Card" even if you didn't merge them, the information is valid as it is.All your going to do is have Two templates with the almost the same info.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 17:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
The color change helps, but it is still very large. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 19:53, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree that the template seems overly large, both for the Works Of template as well as the Ender's Series template. Were it something I was more passionate about, I'd turn The Ender's Series template into a simpler one à la Alvin Maker one. Every concept and character is not essential for a navbox, as that's what the article is for. I'm more for the decentralisation of templates (even a characters template would be broken out in my view). As a minimalist in this sense, I think the "Works Of" would contain the general series titles in it, like Template:OrsonScottCardSeries. Once in the specific series, the more specific templates would show.
If only he didn't write so much! ;^) ~Araignee (talkcontribs) 23:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Here's a thought I just had, why cannot we have multiple smaller navboxes, one for AlvinMaker, Ender, etc and have them nested in the larger one, so if people are interested in seeing even more, then they can open the other navboxes? Would that potentially be a fair compromise? -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 16:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Achilles de Flandres in battle school[edit]

Achilles de Flandres is a character that never makes an appearance at the Battle School setting in either 'Ender's Game' or 'Ender's Shadow' - the only books that treat the Battle School satellite station as a school. It then logically follows that his location in the specific character roster of those who appear at Battle School is incorrect despite his later relations with the listed characters in 'Shadow of the Hegemon' and 'Shadow of the Giant'. Underpaidman (talk) 20:37, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually, Achilles de Flandres appeared in 'Ender's Shadow' when Bean becomes the commander of his own army. I don't have the book right in front of me right now or I would give you the chapter. Bean and 5 members of his army trick Achilles into admitting his role in the murder of Sister Carlotta, Poke and the unnamed doctor who fixed his leg.--- ARTEST4ECHO(Talk) 19:44, 28 April 2015 (UTC)