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German Shepherds[edit]

German Shepherds are for Germany and they are very popular. German Shepherd only live up to 12 or 13 years old amd when they are pupps there ears are down until about 6 months. Most police have German Shepherds because of there sense of smell

Pastoral dogs[edit]

I've completed adding the Pastoral dogs template to all of the currently listed dogs in the template. Now we just need to add some more dogs. So don't spin your wheels trying to add the template to the existing dogs in the template. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC) Stan

Inclusion of the St Bernard[edit]

David Hancock's Dogs of the shepherds: a review of the pastoral breeds describes the St Bernard as "originally ... a mountain dog/flock protector."[1] Cavalryman V31 (talk) 21:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

The Kennel Clubs, which created and define the breeds including "St. Bernard" and their definitions including term "Pastoral Dog", define the breed as a Working Dog. None of those organizations include the St. Bernard in the Pastoral group. Mediatech492 (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Mediatech492, just because a number of show-fancier organisations classify a dog as one thing does not categorically rule it out as another:
  • Genetic analysis of 85 domestic dog breeds theorises St Bernards "are either progenitors to or descendants of herding types".[2]
  • The Fondation Barry du Grand-St-Bernard, which in 2005 took over the breeding kennels and dogs from the Great Saint Bernard Pass Hospice states "The direct ancestors of the Saint Bernards were the large farm dogs found widely across the area."[3]
Additionally, a number of books written soley about the St Bernard reiterate this point:
  • Charlotte Wilcox's The Saint Bernard states "No one knows when large dogs with Red and white patches first appeared in Switzerland. They were part of farm life there for many centuries. They herded cattle and sheep. They carried supplies on their backs. They guarded the farms from wolves and robbers. They played with the farmers’ children. The monks of the Great Saint Bernard Pass chose these farm dogs as helpers."[4]
  • Ross Clark's (admitedly self-published) Medical, Genetic & Behavioral Risk Factors of Saint Bernards states "The St. Bernard is thought to have descended from the Asian Mollossian type dog, which was brought to Switzerland during various invasions. These dogs served Swiss farmers as herders, guard and cart dogs and were well established by 1050."[5]
Kind regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 04:48, 11 December 2018 (UTC).


  1. ^ David Hancock, Dogs of the shepherds: a review of the pastoral breeds, Marlborough: Crowood Press, 2014, ISBN 978-1-84797-809-7.
  2. ^ Heidi Parker, Lisa Kim, Nathan Sutter, Scott Carlson, Travis Lorentzen, Tiffany Malek, Gary Johnson, Hawkins DeFrance, Elaine Ostrander & Leonid Kruglyak, "Genetic Structure of the Purebred Domestic Dog", Science 304, 1160, 2004.
  3. ^ Fondation Barry du Grand-St-Bernard, "History", fondation-barry.ch/EN/, retrieved 11 December 18.
  4. ^ Charlotte Wilcox, The Saint Bernard, Mankato, Minnesota: Capstone Press, 1998, ISBN 1-56065-544-5.
  5. ^ Ross Clark, Medical, Genetic & Behavioral Risk Factors of Saint Bernards, Xlibris LLC, ISBN 978-1-4990-4599-4.

Split and rename[edit]

I have moved this navbox to the new name and split the lower half into Template:Livestock guardians, this will create two more manageable navboxes & divides two types of dog that are unrelated and used for very different roles. Cavalryman (talk) 01:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC).