Template talk:Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania

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Proposed Edits in Center City[edit]

A number of these articles is this section of the template are arguably not a community or municipality or even a district:

  • Centre Square is a building
  • City Hall is a building
  • Eakins Oval ia a traffic circle
  • Elfreth's Alley is a street within old city
  • Market East is a redirect for Market Street
  • Naval Square is a gated community in SWCC or Graduate Hospital
  • Penn Center is a real estate development
  • Schuylkill Avenue is a street and or a neighborhood not in Center City
  • South Street is a street
  • French Quarter is another type of problem altogether

Arguments for removing these and others abound, but maybe another approach is to rethink the "community & municipality" language. Should it be neighborhoods and districts? Or is this just a free for all of "things located in center city or philadelphia?" Any thoughts before I jump in would be appreciated. PHILA19106 (talk) 05:16, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

I strongly agree. Although I'll note some tweaks, I'd much rather see all of these changes made than none.
I could see continuing to treat South Street below, say, Seventh Street, as a neighborhood. It has a distinctive style and vibe.
I would drop Franklintown. It isn't a neighborhood; it's a (largely unsuccessful) former development project in the Logan Square neighborhood. Keep it as an article, for its historic significance, but drop it from this list of communities.

TypoBoy (talk) 14:51, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Amanda Baker at Philly.com in this article elevates a version of neighborhoods by Jon Kostesich. His map is here. If this map is not immediately objectionable, maybe we use the Kostesich map as a starting place for center city, and evaluate other districts and neighborhoods on a case by case basis (like Jewlers Row, Independence Mall, and South Street). Sound like a good approach?
Acknowledged fully that the Kostesich map lacks the detail to be as useful outside of center city. For example, University City is a blanket term applied to well-established and distinct areas in West Philly like Spruce Hill and Cedar Park. See the VisitPhilly Map which is also a good reference for center city.
Some sources, like real estate brokerages have unreliable maps, and some other sources look very detailed but have boundaries with no support that I can find -- this for example.
Finally, some of the problem in the template is that there are no designated spaces to differentiate between neighborhoods, public space (Franklin Square), and roads/streets (Eakins oval, south broad, Ben Franklin Parkway) etc. That's an issue for another day.

PHILA19106 (talk) 01:44, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding my partial revert[edit]

First of all, boroughs, Districts, and Townships are municipalities, "municipality" is not synonymous with "incorporated city" Take {{Lebanon County, Pennsylvania}} for example: everything listed there (except the CDPs and Unincorporated communities) are municipalities.

Secondly this is not a standard county template because Philadelphia is not a standard county. Philadelphia is a consolidated city-county, and to the best of my knowledge I'm the one who pioneered the use of county templates for city-counties (and Virginia's consolidated cities), with some help from Zzyzx11. Most county templates for city-counties need the "City and County of" because the reader might not know that the county is a city-county, he might think that X County is something other then the City of X.

As for the county seat thing, I don't think it's obvious. The reader might just see that and be confused or think it's an error or something; he might not even know that it's possible for a county to be it's own county seat. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:17, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Edits made to Center City[edit]

Removed the following (from edit summaries):

  • (remove Washington Square pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Schuylkill Avenue pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Penn Center pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Naval Square pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Museum District pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Market East pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Jewelers' Row pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Independence Mall pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove French Quarter pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Franklintown pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Elfreth's Alley pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove City Hall pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Centre Square pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Avenue of the Arts pursuant to talk page discussion about not including buildings and streets)
  • (remove Eakins Oval pursuant to talk page discussion about

Given the comment about South Street, I left it in. I feel good that "neighborhoods" are covered, but I am less confident that we have a good, consistent, and universally applicable definition of "district." Certainly, no one would suggest that the Center City District or the South Street Head House District should be in this template, but three artivles might qualify here in addition to South Street: Jewelers' Row, Independence Mall and Avenue of the Arts.

Does anyone have a strong opinion?

PHILA19106 (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2017 (UTC)