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Discussion[edit]

We might consider adding the following:

  • Houston Wrestling (Paul Boesch)
  • International Championship Wrestling (Angelo Poffo)
  • National Wrestling Federation (Pedro Martinez)
  • NWA Detroit (The Sheik)
  • NWA Hollywood Wrestling (LeBells)
  • NWA Mid-America (Nick Gulas)
  • NWA San Francisco (Roy Shire)
  • NWA Western State (Funks)
  • Southwest Championship Wrestling (Joe Blanchard)

Those are the remaining defunct major U.S. (I excluded Canada, since we now have our own template for it) promotions/territories, as depicted in a WWE-made, even though there are no articles on those promotions yet.


--Darkguy 01:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Alphabetical Order?[edit]

I have thought that maybe we should put the promotions in alphabetical order? Mr. C.C. 07:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... I thought about that too at first, but the decided to go for an approach to sort them by importance/recognizability instead. Arguably, the most important indy in the US is ROH, OVW being the major WWE-development territory and genereally considered a very good promotion would follow, etc. My line of thought was, that people could easily browse the more important promotions that way. Alphabetical sorting might help to easier find the desired promotion. Since I actually put some time n establishing the order as it is now, I would leave things as they are. But if the majority disagress, we might as well sort them in alphabetical order. --Darkguy 03:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Well seeing as we are going by notability at this time, shouldn't CHIKIRA PRO be ahead of Heartland Wrestling? Mr. C.C. 04:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
they should be liasted by importance
Importance is subjective and will lead to an unmanageable list.LM2000 (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Absolutely. Anything other than straight, objective alphabetical order. Anything else is WP:OR. oknazevad (talk) 00:19, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Dragon Gate USA[edit]

Is not by any means notable enough to be called a national promotion. I can think of a few other indies that have more notability. KP McZiggy (Allow Me To Introduce Myself...) 01:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Ring of Honor[edit]

Can some provide some clarification why ROH is not listed as a national? They really aren't an "indy" promotion anymore since Sinclair Broadcast Group bought them out. Thanks! (Bes2224 (talk) 17:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC))

Because they have no true national television deal. Their show is shown exclusively on Sinclair stations, none of which are in the top 10 media markets. Not even Philadelphia, where they are nominally based. So they don't have national distribution, and therefore aren't a national promotion. oknazevad (talk) 19:57, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying! (Bes2224 (talk) 05:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC))
ROH from 2009-2010 was on national cable network HD Net. Current owner Sinclair is continually buying stations in new markets all the time, increasing ROH's footprint. ECW didn't "become an indy" again after it was booted off Spike TV when WWF came in. Point is ROH did make it to national TV with HD Net, and once you're there, the top title should be regarded as world title level. (talk) Vjmlhds 23:05, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to revisit this item. To me, a national promotion needs to be nationally accessible on television and ROH is no longer such. Just because it was for a year should not mean it retains "national" character forever. According to the ROH TV map online], at the present date, 24 states don't have any access to it whatsoever. If a promotion isn't accessible to a large area (New England and the entire Midwest and then some, 24 states in all), that pretty much defines it as regional. MSJapan (talk) 05:29, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

CWF Hollywood[edit]

Just so it's clear, after further review, CFW Hollywood is not on MAVTV any longer, and they've never toured outside their home territory. I wouldn't call them national by any means. They're the quintessential local independent. oknazevad (talk) 06:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't disagree but I'm wondering why Lucha underground is listed as national. They have a show on a minor network that isn't carried by many. They also don't tour.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 05:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
It's on the second largest Spanish-language network in the country. Yes the English broadcast is on a minor network, but last I checked there's no requirement for it to be in English. oknazevad (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
I dont think Lucha Underground should be listed as one. Its very much an indie promotion and isnt on the level of WWE, TNA, etc. It is a minor network, most of my friends dont even get the channel. Besides just having a tv deal doesnt make it a national promotion.
Lucha Underground is set in one location and doesnt tour and is a very small promotion. 75.121.248.209 (talk) 15:39, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Again, the second-largest Spanish language network, which is truly national in coverage, is a pretty big deal. oknazevad (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria?[edit]

So folks, before this template becomes a bloated mess of links to every promotion that has ever existed in the United States, should we have a narrower inclusion criteria. Because some of the recent additions have been barely notable indies that put on like 4 shows 5-10 years ago (recent enough for someone to create an article, but not for anyone to follow up) and then disappeared. I truly question their notability. Unfortunately, instead of discussing like I asked, the anon who has added these have just reverted without discussion. oknazevad (talk) 01:28, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Well... I think the criteria is to have an article. Notable promotions. If a promotion has an article in Wikipedia, it's notable. If you think a promotion isn't notable, AfD (I opened a discussion for Atlanta Wrestling Entertainment) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:14, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
I was think more along the lines of "c-class and above" on the quality scale, as we have at {{Martial arts}}. Then maybe we can see if the promotions that don't make that cut really are notable or are they just promotional pieces for a non-notable Indy. oknazevad (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC)