Template talk:Punctuation marks

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Focus on Western/English typography[edit]

Given that this template focuses on Western punctuation (which makes sense, otherwise it seems like it would be too big), that scope should be made clear. Otherwise, it looks like we're considering "punctuation" to mean only "Western punctuation", which sounds culturally biased. We have links to Chinese, Hebrew, Japanese, and Korean punctuation, which are clearly non-Western, but we also treat non-English quotation marks as "related" rather than first-class marks (which implies an English-only focus). Also note that e.g. the Chinese script symbol for Chinese yuan (元, arguably a grapheme) is not given, only the Latin script one (¥).

What is the best way to do this? Maybe add a centered-text row that says "Western Typographical Symbols" or "English Typographical Symbols" above "Punctuation"? That could also replace the name of the punctuation mark from the transcluding page (which is a bit confusing). -- Beland (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Plus and Minus Signs look weird.[edit]

On my Google Chrome at Plus and minus signs the + and − in the template merged into one mess! I think its due to the width of the box.

I tested the page with my Firefox 17.01, Safari 5.1.7, Opera 12.15, and IE 10, and all of the +− was squished into one letter (a bit like a compressed dagger symbol) except my Safari 5.1.7 where it showed + and − separately with space in between them. Weaktofu (talk) 05:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I think they are supposed to appear merged… — |J~Pæst|  21:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
but like this? http://ernestmainsite.x10.bz/temp/plus%20minus.png (talk) 23:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
What do we expect? -DePiep (talk) 00:00, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
If it was the plus or minus sign, then it should look like ±, but this is Plus and minus signs (+ -) not the Plus-minus sign, and if we wanted the plus-minus sign should we just use the unicode symbol for it instead of the current css? Either way, the symbol(s) currently looks different in different browsers, which needs fixing Weaktofu (talk) 00:12, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Double vertical bar[edit]

The vertical bar template shows a double vertical bar ( ‖ ) just below the main illustration, and it has the word "Magnitude" underneath it. So is this symbol called a magnitude, or is it meant to indicate magnitudes? Because I can't find evidence of either. Can someone find a source? Pdxuser (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Bengali Punctuations[edit]

since there are other punctuation marks listed , e.g. Chinese Punctuation, and Bengali Bangla has distinct scrpts, so I propose a link to Bengali Punctuation orবাংলা বিরাম/যতি । — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briksho (talkcontribs) 21:06, 10 October 2013‎

Delete copy right content[edit]

Cancel — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Please delete all brackets on the right side of the list and add the symbols < >[edit]

Why all symbols have to be on the right side in round brackets? It would be better to delete them all because they derange. Why the symbols < and > and them name are not part of the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2013[edit]

Another name for the number/hash symbol is octothorpe -- please add (talk) 10:46, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

 Done Mlpearc (open channel) 04:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2013[edit]

add plus-minus and minus-plus signs please (talk) 23:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Please post the characters you are referring to. Then reset the request by changing answered=yes back to answered=no.
Cheers, Mlpearc (open channel) 04:16, 26 December 2013 (UTC) Maybe you meant U+00B1 ± Plus-minus sign and U+2213 MINUS-OR-PLUS SIGN. But I don't know if they qualify as "punctuation", they could be just mathematical symbols [1]. ( -DePiep (talk) 12:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2014[edit] (talk) 04:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Edite

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

No more (  )[edit]

I think it is time to get rid of the ( ) markers we add. Maybe in typography there are other (better) things, but these ( ) we don't need.

If anyone has an improvement on the comma's too, please tell. -DePiep (talk) 21:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

  • [2]: To me: Wonderful. Great. -DePiep (talk) 21:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, great. May I propose. Instead of the earlier comma (punctuation separator) we use a double space. This would appear in the right-hand column. This would also help to clarify & separate the paired punctuation marks (brackets). Technically, that could be >&nbsp;&#x20;<-DePiep (talk) 21:43, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Ditto mark (again)[edit]

About the ditto mark. Two Unicode characters are in play.

U+3003 ditto mark (HTML &#12291;), block=CJK Symbols and Punctuation
U+2033 double prime (HTML &#8243; · &Prime;), block=General Punctuation

Earlier discussions: 1 2 (May 2013). U+3003, the CJK character, is not to be used in Latin text, it is CJK only. -DePiep (talk) 09:30, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Currency signs lines[edit]

I still am not happy with the currency signs show. It could be a straight block running l-to-r, no extra padding. -DePiep (talk)

Why is it not a list like the other sections? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 20:07, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
currency symbols

฿¢$ƒ£ ¥

Could be OK too. Would look like? Formatting this template has been a nuisance since years. (If I'm correct, IE8 did not handle align-right issues correct). Other entries can have 4 to 5 nicely on the righthand side, but how to present 25? Let me give a throw: -DePiep (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking more in the lines of:
BTW, the markup is horribly convulted... just spent 30 minutes just trying to emulate this list. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
(Yes, any markup cleanup is welcome). Hey, there are 34 currency signs. Theoretically you are right: mention the name (~country). Boldly I'd say: better do not. Other route: it's just a navbox (eg, not printed mostly). Then why not collapse a part? -DePiep (talk) 22:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Could also work... Another though: split currency to its own infobox; technically it's not punctiation. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


This template has officially degenerated into a heap of useless clutter, taking up about a meter of screen real estate on the right margin (where articles want to place other stuff such as images). This happens with every Wikipedia template over time, not to worry. But can we collapse it please? Or offer a less cluttered alternative? --dab (𒁳) 07:00, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Other Rupees[edit]

Why are Tamil or other Indic rupee signs not there but only Devanagari one? ௹ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


The template seems to be lacking the guillemets (or angle quotes, « ») that are very common in many non-English languages (such as French and Spanish). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Added. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:47, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2016[edit]


 Under currency symbols the US Dollar sign ($) is missing.  Please add it.

Thanks you. (talk) 12:18, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done $ is under 'Currency'. — JJMC89(T·C) 12:24, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Two tweaks for per/bp sections[edit]

Hello, I think that there should be two tweaks made to this template. First of all, "per mil" should be renamed to "permille" or "per mille" to better reflect the page. Secondly, I think that "basis point" should be renamed to "basis point / permyriad" and it should be moved upwards so that it is next to the percent/permille symbols. Let me know what you think. Aaronfranke (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

dagger proposals[edit]

can we change this to "dagger (obelisk / diesis)" ?

This is 25 characters, the same length as "inverted exclamation mark" which follows 3 below it, so I don't think it would stretch out the table any.

Also re Talk:Dagger_(typography)#Triple_dagger can anyone figure out how to generate this character in Wikipedia so it could display on the table too? I can view it in PDFs but when I cut and paste them to Wikipedia it forms the symbol which looks like / and which looks like or something. ScratchMarshall (talk) 20:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)