Template talk:Scott Rudin

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Why do we want to template a musical or play simply because it is produced by a particular producer? The producer's name can be mentioned in the article, but there is no substantial connection among, e.g., a musical produced by Rudin and all the other works mentioned in the template. I think we should be careful about what templates we are putting on articles about musicals and plays. I see that we are already templating them for things like whether they have won a certain Drama Desk Award (the Drama Desk Awards are less important than Tonys and Oliviers). I don't think we want to end up with millions of templates at the bottom of these articles. Can someone please explain the advantage of this? Sorry if I am being obtuse. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

(Copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film) Similar to {{Tyler Perry}}? —Mike Allen 03:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to add that, although in some cases, Rudin (or any producer) might have some creative input, in many cases they are simply investors. Perhaps for certain people a template might be warranted (i.e. producers who were known for their creative work, e.g. David O. Selznick--who doesn't have a template and Powell & Pressburger - who do, but only together), but I think the majority of producers today are financial backers, rather than creative workers. There was a big article on Rudin in the NYT Sunday magazine at least 10 years ago - you might read that first before you start considering a template. -- kosboot (talk) 10:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I will check that article but a google search for the term "Scott Rudin" site:www.nytimes.com yields a lot of results. I am not sure which one to look at right away. Keep in mind Rudin has now won 7 Tonys, as per recent The Book of Mormon NYT article. In fact, according to that article he made some pretty important creative decisions, including down shutting down the show and changing directors.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
About the 7th or 8th result was this one which seems to suggest he is hands on and not just an investor.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
(Copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film) I think this only should be done if there is an article for the specific production he worked on. If we include navbox links just to the article for the play itself, classic plays which have been performed thousands of times will risk to be bloated with templates, which are very vaguely related to the origin of the play. There is no intuitive connection between, like in this example, Hamlet and Zoolander, so I don't think they should be in the same template. Smetanahue (talk) 08:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Note that I did not include this in Hamlet and added the year so that the reader could understand which production he was involved in for the others.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
He has won 7 Tonys because he has the money to finance shows. If you can convince me of consistent creative work, I would be convinced. As is stands, I'm not convinced at all -- and I have been following Rudin's career since the early 1990s. -- kosboot (talk) 14:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Is deciding to shut down a show and change its style and director not creative input.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:30, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
The implication is that all producers should then get entries because they all have that power (perhaps someday, though the notability problem is there). In terms of actual creative input into the work - unless someone comes up with something that shows *consistent* contributions (not one-time actions), I say no. -- kosboot (talk) 19:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

[Left] Even if he has creative input to his productions, I don't see how the template helps. A musical or play article can state that he was the producer and blue-link him. Why does it ALSO need to include a template with links to films that he produced? This creates a lot of unrelated links and would lead to a pile of useless templates at the bottom of entries about famous plays and musicals. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I could see that since a play revival points to the same article as the original whereas a remake of a film is a separate article. I will remove this from all the play articles if that is what consensus dictates, but I think a play like The Book of Mormon where he overhauled the creative team and led the play to major critical success might be well-served with his template.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the template from all the theatrical productions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:45, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Sorry to be a naysayer (again), but I think this is best. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)