Template talk:Scouting in the UK

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Some comments[edit]

I quite like this template - it's certainly more inclusive than my old one.

Just a couple of thoughts

  • maybe have a section for organisations (like TSA, BPSA, RESA and Pathfinders) and a section for sections (Scouts, Cub Scouts, etc)?
  • change "Counties, areas and regions" to Uk Scouting by Region? -- Horus Kol Talk 04:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Rename[edit]

Rename to {{Scouting in the UK}} per discussions at WT:SCOUT. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Issues[edit]

This template is a mix between TSA and BPSA specific and UK overview. It needs to be split to:

  • Scouting and Guiding in the United Kingdom, listing the various organizations
  • The Scout Association, with much of the content here moved
  • Baden-Powell Scouts Association with specific content
  • We already have {{Scoutorg GirlguidingUK}}

---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not clear what you are suggesting here. For example, you say move most of the material here to a TSA template, yet most of the material is the country sub-template and the major items, Scouting in Wales, London, etc., there already cover all Scouting, not just TSA. In time I think we can alter the smaller country articles to do the same, but I think TSA has a monopoly there. Right now, I am not convinced of the need for change. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

What is this template supposed to cover— all of Scouting and Guiding in the UK or just The Scout Association, the Baden-Powell Scouts Association and the Pathfinder Scouts Association? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Right now it is intended to cover all of Scouting, but not Guiding, in the UK. The organisations other than the three you mention do not get a direct mention in the template but are mentioned in some of the articles. The real question is whether we add the Guiding material and rename the header to "Scouting and Guiding ..". I am not opposed to that. --Bduke (Discussion) 23:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Each level should have a navbox that places the article in context with the higher and lower level articles:
  • Country level article: Country and continent level navboxes
Scouting and Guiding in the United Kingdom would have {{Scouting in the UK}} and {{Scout continent/Europe}}
  • Main organization level article: Organization and country navboxes
The Scout Association would have {{Scoutorg TSA}} and {{Scouting in the UK}}
  • Related organization level articles: Organization navbox
Beaver Scouts (The Scout Association) would have {{Scoutorg TSA}}
Where {{Scoutorg TSA}} would relate articles specific to TSA. We only need organization navboxes for those NSOs with multiple articles.
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, I suppose so. You are the template expert and I'm too busy right now to do much on this. However, I would like to hear from DiverScout so we get the BPSA right, and I would also comment that navboxes are also a kind of "See also", so I am not entirely happy with TSA sections articles only having a TSA navbox. Should {{Scouting in the UK}} be expanded to include Guiding in UK and would that mean we have a Guiding Europe template on Scouting and Guiding in the United Kingdom? --Bduke (Discussion) 00:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I will ask DiverScout to check in. Since we expanded most of the by country aricle names to "Scouting and Guiding", then the article and the navbox should cover the entire subject.

We discussed updating the templates to accomodate the "Scouting and Guiding" changes, but not worrying about renaming templates, as the name is not content. {{Scouting in the UK}} shold be expanded to cover all of the Scouting and Guiding in the UK articles and applied to the main NSO articles. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that changing to "Scouting and Guiding in..." for the overall one is a good idea, as this brings us in line with the feel for where the project is moving. I know that we briefly had organisation navboxes, but that these were merged some while back. I'm not against them coming back, but I think there is likely to be a fair amount of overlap on articles. DiverScout (talk) 08:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Scout-like organisations[edit]

There is along list of scout-like organizations in the UK, only a few of which (BB/GB/Pathfinders) are mentioned in the template. Should we take 'scout-like' back out as it is likely to grow the template out of hand to add every youth organisation with a uniform or a backwoodsmanship programme? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:24, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Northern Ireland[edit]

Scouting Ireland organises in Northern Ireland and is affiliated to the WOSM, so I added it. Should we also add its predecessors, Catholic Boy Scouts of Ireland? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)