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Hello friends, please excuse me for formatting --i am writing on a phone-- I have questions about some of the sources in the article. The criticism by Jean Ducat and Grote, mostly in response to Myron's quote seems scattered and inconsistent. taking issue with the definition of articles of clothing feels like nitpicking, and the arguments about food restriction are easily refutable, and logically inconsistent (they could not restrict food because they lived seperately(really?) vs. It would be irrational to restrict the food of labourers (historical counterexamples abound) vs. The diet described is close to normal (so is it still less than normal? What is normal, anyway? is it the same for everybody?). The article gets back on track when it notes that none of this excuses or explains the well documented ritual murder of helots every year. I feel the arguments above are confusing and not well supported, and I suspect it may be the result of two historians cherry-picking facts to support an apologistic view of Spartan society. Maybe someone with more background can review this further? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC)