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Phase II[edit]

Should Phase II really be in this list? Given that they never produced a single episode? Maybe we should add Harve Bennett's Starfleet Academy to the list of films. AlistairMcMillan 22:30, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have no problem with Phase II being on there. Especially since it doesn't make the template any bigger. Cburnett 00:21, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Phase II doesn't affect the appearance of the template. It does affect the meaning though. What are we listing? Things that may or may not have been Star Trek series and movies, or things that actually were Star Trek series and movies. As I said before, if we have Phase II on the template, then why don't we have Bennett's Star Trek VI: Starfleet Academy. It keeps things nice and clear if we just draw the line at productions that actually produced something. You don't have a finished product, you don't go on the list. AlistairMcMillan 00:40, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New Style[edit]

I'm not that crazy about the new style of this template. I personally think the old one looked better. (No offense intended, Wookieepedian) I'm not the only one with an opinion, though, so I hesitate to do a reverse-edit unless there is a consensus. -- CALQL8 04:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I must say I think the new template looks horrible, and completely at odds with most other templates of this sort on Wikipedia. Ben W Bell talk 09:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Star Trek XI[edit]

Since absolutely nothing has been confirmed about which era this film takes place, I've moved the link for XI under an "Upcoming films" heading. Feel free to argue that, or even change it back, this is just my two cents. --ZeromaruTC 18:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Other section[edit]

I added an "Other" section with links to Books, Comics, Games, and Music, similar to the Star Wars template, because the template seems to be for the entire franchise. Eridani 03:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Hmm, seems that the Star Trek articles have one of those big side-bar navigation templates. Why is there a bottom-of-the-page one then? Eridani 03:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Merge discussion[edit]

I'd like to merge Template:Startrek2 into this template. Do we really need both? This one is much more streamlined and is consistent with many, many other Wikipedia nav templates. Aatrek (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Expanding production staff listing[edit]

I don't think either the bare-bones or the expanded production staff setup is ideal. The expanded formatting is an eyesore, and breaking the staff down by "area of expertise" seems an unnecessary granularization, esp. for a franchise in which folks rarely stayed within their job title "bubble". Beyond that, though, are the actual entries: TV directors and executive producers but not their movie equivalents? Some writers from some series?

Perhaps the best thing would be just to list/link executive producers, and then link/create a List of Star Trek production staff, which I'm actually pretty sure exists somewhere. --EEMIV (talk) 11:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, it doesn't bother me if we do what you suggest, I thought that it's better to have all the people who contributed to Star Trek listed or at least have a link to them. The problem i had with it before was it didn't inculde a all the movie directors and only had JJ Abrams and it had Gene Roddenberry at the end and no mention that he created Star Trek for people who are seeing Star Trek may not know that he created it. B64 (talk) 15:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Why does the partial protection of the template prevent the inclusion of Roddenberry's production company, Norway Corporation, or even that of Abrams's production company, Bad Robot? Leaving that information out does a great disservice. --Parker Gabriel 05:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Top row[edit]

Since the film series is currently carrying the torch (so to speak), should it be moved to the top row? Fixblor (talk) 03:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

what is the reason for removing the franchise line and separating the films, by separating the films, you are breaking story sequence in navbox Vilnisr T | C 08:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not gonna get into an edit war over this, but why is there a 'redundant' list of the series' at the top again? Also, why have the movies been put back into their "respective" series'? The whole point of separating them out onto their own line was to end an edit war about the most recent movie in particular (plus generations); also it added new and different link (not half a dozen repeated links, ... so they can be on top?). Redundant links are redundant, and get priority deleted here at Wiki central. Thoughts? Fixblor (talk) 04:19, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
'redundant' list of the series, that's fine, but the film separation is pointless and breaking story sequence in navbox, i put them into their "respective" series', 'cuz they are part of these particular series, these movies are not a separate stories of Star Trek franchise, they are part of particular series. As about last "Star Trek" film and "Generations", i don't see a problem there as "Star Trek" film is about Enterprise team from original series just in alternative reality, that's why it's goes to "The Original Series" raw, as about "Generations", this story is about two captains from two different series, but as Patrick Stewart as Captain Jean-Luc Picard have a main role, this film goes to "The Next Generation" raw. I don't care about "Franchise" raw, but movies must go back to their "respective" series. I will not start edit war and will not revert your last edit (right now), so you must put movies back. P.S. so large changes have to be discussed before you make them. Vilnisr (talk) 08:03, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Yesh, that was the argument you've just rekindled. Story sequence is broken with the 2009 film. At the very least, it's questionable being listed as TOS. So, rather than arguing in perpetuity, the alternate method of listing (with film series as their own section) alleviates the arguments. Your now added argument of story sequence is rest upon a slightly flawed premise (that the movies are attached to the corresponding TV series exclusively), when there are crossovers amongst the series and the movies which blur the lines between them. If the title had been "Star Trek: The Next Generation: Generations" then maybe the exclusivity of placing it within the TNG subsection would be resolutely valid. However, the 2009 film throws even that methodology out the airlock. see Reboot. A reboot is not the ORIGINAL series. Fixblor (talk) 19:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
What is wrong with the current format? It's chronological and categorical. Given undue weight to one film is just foolish. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
even if "Star Trek" film would not be a part of TOS (subject for discuss), the rest of films belongs to particular series, the films was made after the series was canceled and they continue the story from these series, basicly they are part of series, by separating them you make them independent and that's not true! Vilnisr (talk) 20:03, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
@Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs - The current format is fine from an encyclopedic standpoint. But there are a few more details that are getting glossed over if the entire list is to be compiled into a strictly television medium based story arc. @ Vilnisr - Consider the integrity of a list of that nature before setting-in that course. What about all the crossovers? Bones, Scotty and Spock all made guest appearances on TNG. DS9 was the bridge between TNG and Voyager. This is a template on an encyclopedia. Compromises get made every minute. You're right, the movies are not entirely independent of the TV (hence them being on the same template). But movies are movies, and calling them TV is wrong. Now I'd like to point out, there is only cursory mention of the movies on both the TOS and TNG sites. They are separate, in part because while the TV was broadcast, the movies were distributed. Categorically different. Fixblor (talk) 20:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
crossovers? crossover mean that character have a guest role in the series or film, how does it fit in discussion at all. About distribution, yes movies wasn't made for television, but it's only about format and money making, not about story line. Story just move from tv format to movie format, thats all, you need to watch TOS to understand Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. As about: "(hence them being on the same template)", well this is frachise template, sure it will be on this template, don't see your point. Vilnisr (talk) 20:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
p.s. this template was made as alternative version for previous template, similar to one you trying to make right now, it was discussed and chosen as the best, and you don't even try to discuss your changes before you made them. You want compromises, i don't mind to remove franchise line, but, be so kind, return movies where they was. Vilnisr (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
The point is that this isn't an outline of the canonical plot of ST. It's a collection of the most relevant ST links, organized to be best displayed on each of the related articles. Also, citation needed for that previous version of the template you mentioned. Fixblor (talk) 21:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
previous version of the template you can find in history, current version was moved here and page was deleted Vilnisr (talk) 07:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Are you referring to the 2004 talk page move, or the 2007 merge and retooling of template:startrek with Template:Star Trek?
[Revision as of 10:21, 25 August 2007] appears to be the first iteration of the new format, and that doesn't offer the consensus you've indicated. I suggest you post a WP:RFC with a new section here, to get an up-to-date consensus from the community. NOTE: I'll repeat, my changes were to eliminate redundant links and alleviate an edit war by circumventing the argument of where to put reboot movie by moving all movies (with rationale) into their own column, [again]. Fixblor (talk) 17:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, found it ... [Revision as of 18:35, 4 August 2010] was changed to [Revision as of 19:37, 31 August 2010] "(copied from Template:Star Trek navbox)" any discussion is not listed here. The above merge suggestion, which took place in May of 2009, was with Template:Startrek2. I need a link (citation needed) to the consensus you referenced indicating a collective agreement of both the redundant links and the movies being a part of the TV series. Or start a new discussion, this one has gone off topic. Fixblor (talk) 18:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
it is you who are changing this template, it is you who need to make a discussion before change anything, old discussion page doesn't exist anymore, it was decided to use this version, want to change something - first discuss it, untill that move the movie links back Vilnisr (talk) 20:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Of course, I should've known the old discussion was deleted. Well, this line of discussion is astray of the original question (Should the films be listed on the TOP row?), which was answered by Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (who agreed that there was nothing wrong with the current format ... check dates for version of template and time he posted). Please start a new section for your new discussion. Fixblor (talk) 23:38, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Neutral - I believe Wikipedia:Don't edit war over the color of templates applies here. I don't really care how the template is arranged and I don't see any issues with the original template, This revision. The template is in chronological order, I don't see what the issues are. The films didn't pilot the series, many of them were made after the the series had finished. It would be unusual to put the films first, if you think that films were more important, I wouldn't mind the change. Changing templates shouldn't create WP:Drama, let's just discuss it quickly and get back to writing articles :). --Alpha Quadrant talk 14:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
template was made in chronological order and as movies continue the story from particular series and, basicly, are part of these series, links was added in the same row, i don't see any reason to put movies in separate row, i think it's illogical and weird, there never was such thing as "film series" Vilnisr (talk) 15:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
It's a different medium entirely, and so it makes sense to separate them out. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 18:44, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I feel my question has been resolved, and I will not be moving the film series row to the top of the template, thank you all for your input. Fixblor (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 143.238.91.206, 20 August 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} add links to Star Trek: Enterprise (season 1) and Star Trek: Enterprise (season 2).

143.238.91.206 (talk) 12:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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Not done  Chzz  ►  05:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 143.238.91.206, 27 August 2011[edit]

Please change "Episodes (Season 1 · 2)" links in the Enterptise group to "Episodes (Season 1 · 2)"

143.238.91.206 (talk) 08:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 05:17, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Reboot or Alternate Reality?[edit]

The title "Alternate Reality" seems inconsistant with the other parts of the Star Trek franchise. Specifically in that "Alternate Reality" is an in-universe description. The Original Series is not titled 'Original Timeline: Captain Kirk Era'. It is titled The Original Series. Same is true of the The Animated Series, The Next Generation, etc. Shouldn't WP:COMMONNAME apply here? Most refer to 'Star Trek' (2009) as a reboot. That is consistant with how the other parts of the Star Trek franchise are titled as well as with other franchises on Wikipedia such as Planet of the Apes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Planet_of_the_Apes. SonOfThornhill (talk) 14:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Would like to hear from more editors on this. Various terms have been used to describe the new films. Proposal is to be consistant and use the term 'Reboot' throughout based on WP:COMMONNAME. SonOfThornhill (talk) 12:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
It's not a reboot, so "Alternate Reality" is more correct. "COMMONNAME" is for article titles, not for how we refer to things. Punctuation, spelling, etc. are all adjusted to be accurate, not to reflect common usage. So, the section should read "alternate reality" because that's what it is. It is not a reboot, no matter how many people call it that. Rhindle The Red (talk) 05:31, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
This was resolved 2 years ago. The new films are a reboot. While done in a slightly different way from other reboots, they are still a reboot. That is what they are refered to as almost universally. The term "Alternate Reality" is only used by a small group of hardcore trekkies and is not consistant with how other parts of the Star Trek are identified thus would be confusing to most. And since the section headings are titles WP:COMMONNAME does apply. SonOfThornhill (talk) 14:25, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Klingon language[edit]

Someone forgot to add Klingon language'. --173.51.29.188 (talk) 06:05, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Structure[edit]

I recently simplified the structure of the template so that the television and film sections were more concise and did not take up as much space. This was reverted by SonOfThornhill, on the grounds that it should be discussed here first. Are there any objections to my new version? The Wookieepedian (talk) 22:52, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

The original structure was based on the different parts of the franchise (the original series, the next generation, etc.). While the new structure is simpler, it may be harder for non-hardcore trekies to navigate. How much space something takes up should not be a concern, providing a structure that helps users find what they are looking for without confusion should be. SonOfThornhill (talk) 23:58, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


Perhaps we could subdivide the films section like this:

The Wookieepedian (talk) 00:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

That would work. SonOfThornhill (talk) 03:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request[edit]

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Studios do not belong here[edit]

Please could editors stop adding studios involved in the production of the show to this navbox. The studios are not intrinsically linked to the product and are too tangential for inclusion. Imagine the number of navboxes that would be on the studio's page if we started including studios in navboxes. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:24, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at Category:Television series by CBS Television Studios. How many of these shows have navboxes? A conservative estimate of, say 200 shows with navboxes would mean that CBS Television Studios ends up with 200 navboxes on it. This clearly isn't the way to go. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Also pinging @Mlpearc: for an opinion, as they thanked me for the edit removing the studios. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Lucille Ball, Desilu, Paramount, these are names directly responsible for creating Star Trek along with Roddenberry, for keeping it on the air at a time when it was both struggling to be on the air, and continued the series over objections to the point that Ball had to sell Desilu as it sank due to her insistence that Star Trek had to survive and would become a major franchise. Unlike other shows, Star Trek has a fifty-year history which is tied directly to a few studios and to the beginning trust in the series by Lucille Ball. I of course don't advocate studios being on all television show templates, yet this one can be called a clear exception due to its history. Can someone with the project put a notice about this discussion at the Project page? Thanks. Randy Kryn 14:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, they were behind the production, but they do not meet the criteria of WP:NAVBOX. Sure, they belong on an infobox, but the ties are not close enough for inclusion here, and there's no case for exception here as giving Star Trek a higher standing than any other show would fall foul of WP:UNDUE. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I thanked the edit because the list does seem bloated, I have no idea what Lucille Ball has to do with Star Trek out side of being connected to Desilu. Iirc (I have not checked any sources) Desilu was the home of Star trek (or was it Paramount ?) but, outside of one or two production studios any other are just promoters and not involved with creating the series and should not be listed. Mlpearc (open channel) 14:43, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Rob is correct, this seems like a similar situation to linking writers from film/TV navboxes - yes, they created the content, but we can't list everything every writer has ever written in both prose, table, and navbox form in a single page. Navboxes should be for more specific articles. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2016 (UTC)