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Lyrics only musicals[edit]

I've added here only the musicals in which Sondheim played a substantial role, mainly those in which he wrote both music and lyrics.

The few exceptions are West Side Story, Do I Hear a Waltz? and Gypsy - for which he wrote only the lyrics. I've included them because Waltz was significantly into his career, and the other two are major musicals that got Sondheim noticed. If anyone doesn't think they should be here, feel free to remove. Daydream believer2 03:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Sondheim on Sondheim[edit]

Will add this musical when it officially opens, April 22.JeanColumbia (talk) 09:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


An editor several times now has added "opera" to the heading/title of this template. This has been reverted. Please see the discussion on the talk page of the article on Sondheim from 4 March 2010 here: "Opera question, for a more complete discussion of this. Before any further edits to this template (or indeed to the Sondheim article) regarding the opera designation/issue needs a complete discussion, with appropriate WP:VERIFY in my opinion.JeanColumbia (talk) 12:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

This is a copy of the discussion from my talk page:(JeanColumbia (talk) 15:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC))

Template:Stephen Sondheim

The numerous productions at opera houses, productions such as A Little Night Music and Sweeney Todd being for better singers than most of the inexperienced actors/singers on Broadway. On the Southbank Show (ITV) in 1979 before the Original London Production, Sondheim called Sweeney Todd "practically an opera". The acceptance of the classical community of Sondheim works.

In many languages, operetta and musicals and synonymous, and I think my reasons above are pretty much justifiable. (Jamesmarkhetterley (talk) 13:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC))

As I said somewhere, I saw both Sweeney and ALNM ("usually performed" is simply not verified) at opera houses. But I do not make the call, that is the fundamental problem here, I am not the expert (nor, probably, are you). Basic features of Wikipedia are no original research WP:NOR and verifiablity WP:VERIFY; let's get reliable sources here. JeanColumbia (talk) 13:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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I note that editor has reverted again, thereby violating WP:3R.JeanColumbia (talk) 15:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

From my talk page (JeanColumbia): "It is patently wrong to say that any Sondheim work is usually presented as an opera. This happens only occasionally. If you do the research you will see that this is so. Sondheim has said many things about his works when *asked* if they could be regarded as operas, but I do not think it is fair to say that he regards any of them as an opera. Indeed, he has most often said that they should *not* be presented as operas. In any case, James, the place for this sort of discussion, if you can find WP:Reliable sources, is the Stephen Sondheim talk page. I think, however, that you will find a strong consensus of editors who agree that Sondheim's works should not be categorized as operas or operettas. I know for a fact that the opera project members do not consider them to be operas or operettas. Also, I find your assertion that Broadway performers are not experienced enough singers to perform in Sweeney or ALNM to be unsupported. Sondheim thinks that Johhny Dep can sing Sweeney. Don't you think Brian Stokes Mitchell could do it? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC) (Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JeanColumbia")"