Template talk:United States presidential election, 2016
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Inclusion of secondary candidates[edit]
@William S. Saturn: I don't see any reason for including additional candidates that aren't contenders, that are either perennials or whatever they might be. Personally, I think they are a distraction when put with the credible candidates running, who might show up in the debates and primaries. I mean Waka Flocka Flame on the same immediate areas as Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton? I think its unnecessary, and unwarranted. Especially on the Republican side, when by month's end we'll have like 80 candidates... Spartan7W § 01:55, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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- It may be a future problem but it is certainly not a problem at the moment. The template is currently very small so there is no spatial reason to separate candidates into tiers subjectively. Each link is to a valid wikipedia article. The purpose of a template is for navigation to wikipedia articles. That is what the change is meant to facilitate.--William S. Saturn (talk) 04:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
- I disagree with William S. Saturn and support returning it to the previous format. Gage (talk) 03:53, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Based on what?--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:29, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- I disagree with William S. Saturn and support returning it to the previous format. Gage (talk) 03:53, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- It may be a future problem but it is certainly not a problem at the moment. The template is currently very small so there is no spatial reason to separate candidates into tiers subjectively. Each link is to a valid wikipedia article. The purpose of a template is for navigation to wikipedia articles. That is what the change is meant to facilitate.--William S. Saturn (talk) 04:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Charles A. Long[edit]
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@NextUSprez: @JayJasper: @David O. Johnson: I don't think that Mr. Long is of sufficient note to be included in this template. There are thousands filed for President with the FEC, and Mr. Long has not received any stories, not even minor ones, that show up in a search, which others may have. Mark Everson was IRS Commissioner, and that adds notability even if a non-competitive, and such with others who are notable for a news story or their perennial nature. If no comments are taken otherwise, I will removed in 36 hours. I've pinged recent editors involved in this template Spartan7W § 04:52, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
I would disagree. Long's article only existed after he was a filed candidate with the FEC. Had he not filed with them, he wouldn't have had an article. The article is almost certain to be deleted, and my question is why it didn't get nominated for speedy deletion. Spartan7W § 19:04, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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Independent candidates[edit]
This page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2016 is missing from the template. Kimpire (talk) 13:45, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
- It's there, it had been hidden for some unknown reason, but it's visible now.--NextUSprez (talk) 14:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Vermin Supreme...[edit]
...has apparently not actually filed to run, unless his secret birth name is the one that appears on this list: http://fec.gov/press/press2013/presidential_form2nm.shtml. Should he really be in this template? Kimpire (talk) 08:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, because his candidacy is verified by reliable sources. Filing with the FEC is one of the inclusion standards, but it's not a make-or-break one. The reason it isn't is that the FEC doesn't require anyone to file until they have raised or spent a minimum amount of money ($5,000, I think) for their campaign.--Rollins83 (talk) 16:53, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Ineligible candidates[edit]
Including merely satirical candidates is one thing; including candidates who are not constitutionally eligible and are satirical like this "Deez Nuts" is another. Regardless of whether or not he is technically a candidate for legal reasons, he is not a real candidate and has no chance of winning. I removed Waka Flacka Flame for similar reasons. Dustin (talk) 22:10, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- You are then editing against established consensus. One does not need to be constitutionally eligible to be president in order to run for president. Running for president is not the same as being president.--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:28, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- @William S. Saturn: Deez Nuts was not added until very recently, and I reverted soon after that. Where is this "consensus" you speak of? Dustin (talk) 20:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- You can find the consensus at the talk pages of USPE, 2012 or USPE, 2016 or in their archives. This issue is not one taken on a case-by-case basis. NPOV demands it be consistent.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:28, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with William S. Saturn, there needs to be consistency in the criterion for inclusion. The same candidates that are included in the main election article, and in the corresponding candidates/primaries articles, should be included on the template as well. That is the simplest, most practical and NPOV application, is it not?--NextUSprez (talk) 16:45, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- What consensus? I see not a consensus but mixed opinions here. It should require consensus to add it, so you are the one who needs to find consensus. Dustin (talk) 02:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- I repeat, what consensus? Dustin (talk) 01:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
- If you did a little more reading, I'm sure you'd find it. Regardless, what you are proposing is a violation of NPOV. What you consider a "real candidate" or a candidate with a "chance of winning" is completely your own POV.--William S. Saturn (talk) 04:56, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
- And this "violation of NPOV" means you can make additions without consensus? If you think I misread the text somehow, then please explain to me why what looks like mixed thoughts is a consensus. Dustin (talk) 05:02, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
- I can't read your mind and explain why you misunderstand things. All I can see is that you are removing candidates against consensus based only on your POV expressed here.--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:08, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
- And this "violation of NPOV" means you can make additions without consensus? If you think I misread the text somehow, then please explain to me why what looks like mixed thoughts is a consensus. Dustin (talk) 05:02, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
- If you did a little more reading, I'm sure you'd find it. Regardless, what you are proposing is a violation of NPOV. What you consider a "real candidate" or a candidate with a "chance of winning" is completely your own POV.--William S. Saturn (talk) 04:56, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
- You can find the consensus at the talk pages of USPE, 2012 or USPE, 2016 or in their archives. This issue is not one taken on a case-by-case basis. NPOV demands it be consistent.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:28, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- @William S. Saturn: Deez Nuts was not added until very recently, and I reverted soon after that. Where is this "consensus" you speak of? Dustin (talk) 20:51, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Redirects for "positions".[edit]
Some of the candidates have "positions" articles, and some have links that redirect to other articles already mentioned, which seems redundant to me. I would get rid of the redirects. bd2412 T 14:00, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
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