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Navbar[edit]

I have a template that stacks {{United States topic}} under another template. I would like the ability to disable the navbar by adding:

|navbar= {{{navbar|Tnavbar}}}

This will keep the current default setting, but give the ability to pass the navbar parameter to {{navbox}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Accessibility[edit]

I have updated {{United States topic/sandbox}} to replace {{·w}} with{{flatlist}}. Flatlist uses the standard * for list markup. Visually it is the same, but for the visually impaired using a screen reader, it reads it as a list and not a string of words. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:19, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


Outlying islands[edit]

We currently do not have (and most likely never will have) a sufficient amount of topical articles to warrant the inclusion of these links. The only ones I know of that are not redirects are two history stubs (both of which ought to be merged and redirected as well), but these don't use this particular navbox. Is there any reason for including them? Nightw 13:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

They're just not written yet. You're being disruptive, reverting. Alarbus (talk) 13:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
I see you're new here. You might want to check out our guidelines regarding notability and what Wikipedia is not. If you're unable to find reliable sources on the demographics of Kingman Reef or the culture of Bajo Nuevo Bank then it's not a topic that is notable enough to warrant an article. For reference, the subcategories in Category:United States Minor Outlying Islands would contain all the articles of relevance to this navbox if any existed. Nightw 13:16, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Night w asked me for my thoughts on this, having dealt with many similar templates before. I had an almost identical situation with these islands when working on Template:Oceania topic, when I added all the outlying islands to it and was reverted. The reason given by the editor who reverted was the same as Night w's above, the articles don't exist, and won't exist. I think that editor was right. We will never have a Politics of Howard Island or Economy of Jarvis Island, because those topics don't really exist. Even if there are redirect, such as Demographics of Baker Island having these appear in a template of the Demographics of United States Topic will be pointless. It won't take you to an article about demographics. On the whole, there's probably more articles that won't exist than those that will. If there is a situation where they perhaps may be useful, it is possible to create a complicated coding to have them shown only when a certain field is given, which is what we have at Template:Europe topic (for better or worse). It seems unlikely though that these territories will ever have much use for these templates. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:08, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Gadget850 offered the following on ussages:

Using WP:AWB: {{United States topic}} is used directly or through another template in 1859 articles. 93 articles directly use {{United States topic}} with |exclude-isl=. 177 templates use {{United States topic}}, and 44 include |exclude-isl=. There are probably a lot of templates that should exclude these islands, such as {{CrimeUS}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:42, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

This isn't about notability, it's about navigation. This group can be exclude from usage on specific pages. There are a fair number of uses of this to link to page sections via redirect, which is a reasonable means to navigate to whatever content is present in the project. Alarbus (talk) 04:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

You said "They're just not written yet" (referring to the articles)—article creation is about notability. I don't have a problem with Chipmunkdavis' suggestion. By default, they shouldn't appear when obviously unnecessary, and they should only appear when a link redirecting to a section is deemed an aid to navigation. Nightw 12:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
how about you try less aggression? Alarbus (talk) 13:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
? the first is an accident (you can see I reverted right after) and the second is me adding a merge request to an article... Not sure how that counts as "aggression". Nightw 13:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Kinda creepy to have you all over my editing.
You're miffed about the flatlist discussion. Here, your seeking to cut a template group, and are willing to try to delete articles that the group navigates to, merge others, all to support your agenda. It's disruptive to this project. Alarbus (talk) 13:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
If you say so. Nightw 13:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Actually, diffs say so. Alarbus (talk) 13:50, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Removing this section broke the navigation to the various islands, such as Kingman Reef. I've restored it. You may have deleted or redirected the subtopics, but the islands themselves remain and should be in the navbox. Alarbus (talk) 04:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I've added the #ifexist item instead. Nightw 10:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Partial state lists[edit]

I have modified Template:Lighthouses in the United States to cease using this template because something like a dozen states don't have any lighthouses. I'm not up on template syntax but it might be useful for the lighthouses and other limited lists to have a way to exclude a set of states. Mangoe (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

City of Washington and the District of Columbia: Proposal[edit]

From what I can tell, Washington, D.C. is the City of Washington, a (municipal) corporation, within the District of Columbia, a federal district governed by the US Congress. A city has no place being a top-level topic in this template; only the District has such a place. Only the District of Columbia is a state- and territory-level entity within the United States. Furthermore, it is questionable whether such a city actually exists (but I should say that even if such a city still legally exists, it by no means derogates my above argument). As such, I propose that the default be "District of Columbia" instead of the city within it. For the same reasons, the State of Washington does not need pre-disambiguation with a city in a template about state- and territory-level topics, so that suffix should be removed as well. Int21h (talk) 18:18, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I am not an historian of DC, but was born here and was employed by the Government of the District of Columbia for 20 years. I only had to do a brief search to find this: District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871, which appears to settle the matter. Washington disappeared legally, and became a place name.FriendlyFred (talk) 20:19, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 29 June 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Kharkiv07 (T) 04:14, 7 July 2016 (UTC)



Template:United States topicTemplate:United States places – To be more precise and, more importantly, to avoid confusion with the similarly named {{United States topics}}. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 07:49, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@PC78: That would suggest coverage of all US geography, or at least all parent pages, which this template does not cover. That's already covered within {{United States topics}}. This template only covers states, DC, and territories/outlying areas. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 11:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Dunno then. Places seems a little vague to me. Disney World is a "place" in the United States. PC78 (talk) 11:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
I have to agree. I had trouble picking a replacement name. I had considered {{United States territory}}, but decided against it, since it might sound like just non-state territories. Do you think that would be better? Or does it give you any ideas? Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 11:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
How about "United States topic basis" then? Gets the point across clearly that it's the "basis" for those other templates, and sufficiently differentiates it from "United States topics". Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 15:14, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is not a standalone template, it is a shell. It should never be used without modification, and thus never link directly to the places in question. As for the title, it is a standard format for these series of templates. CMD (talk) 16:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • @Jujutsuan: I respectfully oppose this one. The template looks like it functions similarly to how those at {{Continent-based templates}} function. Moving this would break consistency. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 17:25, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
I can understand not wanting to break consistency. The two templates' similar names are still terribly confusing, though. Would you foresee any problems moving the other one? Perhaps to {{United States}}? Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 08:25, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
@Jujutsuan: Yeah, I completely understand the natural disambiguation issue you're pointing out. But please also see Category:North America country and territory topics templates. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 22:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.