Template talk:Wealth

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What is "extreme"? By adding this descriptive to the template we are injecting POV about what is not extreme wealth verses what is acceptable wealth. E.g., a little wealth might be okay (for each of us), but at some point too much wealth is not okay. Where is the cut-off? I submit that the un-definable "extreme" description hobbles this template. (Recognizing that this template has few watchers, I simply submit the comment for consideration. If my comment does not stimulate reply I shall submit my concerns to another WP forum.) – S. Rich (talk) 03:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Hmmmm, good points, S. Rich. How about calling it "Wealth" or better still "Economic inequality"? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't like using "inequality" in the title because it is a buzz word for those who advocate redistribution. "Wealth" too is laden with certain implications. "Economic disparity" might be better, but is vague. How about saying "Wealth and poverty"? Then the various aspects of poverty can be woven into it. – S. Rich (talk) 18:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Adding "poverty" might step on the toes of some other navboxes. See the bottom of Poverty. I'm not sure what to do. We need more views from others, I think. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Name change Extreme wealth -> Wealth[edit]

I WP:BOLDly moved this template to {{Wealth}}, but Anna Frodesiak moved it back to {{Extreme wealth}} and asked for a discussion. I'm 100% on board with that.

So, I propose that the name of this template should be {{Wealth}} instead of {{Extreme wealth}}. This really is an issue of semantics. The "extreme" qualifier is vauge and without a clear definition it will lead to confusion. The template can be (and is still) about excessive and "extreme" wealth, but the simplest, clearest available name for the subject should be used; which, luckily, is {{Wealth}}. I'm happy to have a discussion about the pros/cons.

On a practical note: FYI, {{Wealth}} is currently a redirect and I've corrected the /doc subpage so that everything currently works as expected at the old name while this discussion happens. I had already changed all the transclusions to be {{Wealth}} instead of {{Extreme wealth}} but changing those back can wait until this discussion concludes (or not, it won't really make a big difference either way). There is no rush to change because the redirect will have the content display as expected regardless of the name of the template (assuming the "name" parameter is set properly, which it is currently). The only houskeeping item we need to keep in mind are double redirects, of which there might be one or two. I'll go check right now. (We are good, I guess Anna Frodesiak took care of it!) What do you think? - PaulT+/C 05:43, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Paul. You make good points. I do not feel that strongly about it one way or the other. I find both "extreme" and "wealth" to be pretty vague. The items in the template are about pretty extreme wealth, though. So, actually, do as you like. I won't dig my heels in. If it does get moved, consider just changing the name that appears rather than a whole page move. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. So, shall I move it (after a week or so in case anyone else wants to comment)? Or would it be better if you self-reverted? (I don't want to move it and then end up with you reverting again.) - PaulT+/C 20:59, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
I won't revert, Paul. Please feel free to move it anytime you like. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:59, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 Done Thanks for the barnstar. I think it is my first! Face-smile.svg And you didn't make a fuss; WP:BRD is a thing. Nothing wrong with asking for a discussion. - PaulT+/C 06:34, 18 March 2019 (UTC)