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Results of |a&e-work-group=yes not displaying when |musician-work-group=yes is included.[edit]

On Talk:Mary_Hallock-Greenewalt, I have this:

|a&e-work-group=yes
|musician-work-group=yes

but, only "This template is supported by WikiProject Musicians" displays.

When I remove

|musician-work-group=yes

then "This template is supported by the arts and entertainment work group" displays.

Is this a bug? Any suggestions or work-arounds so it will display both?

Peaceray (talk) 20:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

@Peaceray: It's intentional - if either |filmbio-work-group=yes or |musician-work-group=yes is present, |a&e-work-group= and |a&e-priority= are ignored. There are several threads on the matter in the archives, the earliest is Template talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 2#musicians override arts and entertainment? and the latest Template talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 5#Workgroups are mutually exclusive?. It's covered by the first bullet at Template:WikiProject Biography#Work groups, although it doesn't actually say that they're mutually exclusive. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64 Oh, okay. Yeah, the precedence of |filmbio-work-group=yes & |musician-work-group=yes over |a&e-work-group is not spelled out at Template:WikiProject Biography#Work groups. It just says that if the article is about an actor or filmmaker, to use those work groups instead. I cannot agree that being a musician or a filmmaker disqualifies one as an artist, at least as far as work groups are concerned. I just heard Joni Mitchell on the radio today saying that she considers herself a painter who does music, & Jean Cocteau & Man Ray did both art & film. I don't agree, but at least I now understand the situation.
From the #ifexpr code in the template, it looks like the only workgroup that is overidden is the arts and entertainment work group if either the filmbio-work-group or the musician-work-group (or both) equals yes. I will add something to the documentation to note that when I get a chance.
Peaceray (talk) 18:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
It's true about Joni Mitchell. She couldn't sell her paintings, so sang around bars and clubs to make money for paints and other materials. All her earlier album sleeves were drawn or painted by herself (no photos until Blue) - it was the only way to get her art over to a wider audience. Look at the way that the title of Song to a Seagull is made of dozens of tiny birds - so subtly that the UK record company overlooked it entirely and thought that the album was simply titled "Joni Mitchell" and marketed it as such.
Anyway, to get the behaviour of |a&e-work-group= changed needs a discussion involving many more than two of us, considering that it was set up that way several years ago. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:31, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Priority or importance?[edit]

There is a discussion at WT:WPBM#Very commendable guideline being virtually ignored about whether banner templates (particularly this one) should use the word "priority" rather than "importance" to describe articles. Please contribute over there. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:52, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

i see you are striping out all priority or importance for biographies. why? you understand that you cannot then do any project management of biographies, (or enter contests). Duckduckstop (talk) 17:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Persondata has been deprecated[edit]

Persondata has been deprecated by this RfC, in favour of Wikidata. The related parameter should now be removed from this template. I've already proposed the category that that sets for deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:45, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Usage for talk pages of families?[edit]

I have a few questions questions:

  1. Should/Could this template also be used for asessments of articles about families (like in Talk:Hegardt and Talk:Schröder family) or similar categories (like in Category talk:Moltke family), rather than individual persons?
  2. If the answer to the first question is yes, should then the parameter "class=" be set to something reflecting the fact that the article or category concerns several related people rather than just one person?
  3. If the answer to the first question is yes, and if some but not all persons included are dead, should then the parameter "living=" be set to yes or to no, or be left unspecified?
  4. If the answer to the first question is no, do you then have a suggestion for alternatives? Could Template:WikiProject Genealogy be reasonable? JoergenB (talk) 20:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
  1. Yes; see for example Talk:Beverley Sisters.
  2. No - the |class= parameter indicates the quality of the article, not the number of subtopics. Only the values shown in the first column of this table are valid; for regular articles they are fa/a/ga/b/c/start/stub (note that if the page is in mainspace but is not a true article, the special values |class=fl |class=list or |class=dab may be used).
  3. If everybody that is covered is dead, set |living=no. If any one or more of them are still alive, |living=yes.
  4. There is nothing to stop you putting two or more WikiProject banners on a talk page, provided that all of them are relevant. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:46, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Draft class[edit]

Is it possible to break out Category:NA-Class biography articles with the addition of classes for Drafts, files, and redirects? Eliminating redirects from there would clean that category up. The files listed are largely signatures I think. It would be really helpful to have Category:Draft-Class biography articles to put sandbox and userspace drafts to check potential biographies for BLP issues or other things. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:26, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ricky81682: Yes it is: it could be done by adding three lines to Template:WikiProject Biography/class -
 |draft=yes
 |file=yes
 |redirect=yes
together with creation of the appropriate categories like Category:Draft-Class biography articles Category:File-Class biography (arts and entertainment) articles etc. - 18 cats in all. However, since this WikiProject is so widely used, it really does need discussion and consensus before proceeding. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Discussion here? :P Or I guess discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography to start? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:23, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography - it has four times as many watchers. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:17, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Robert Chuter[edit]

This profile is missing out one of the most important elements of this director's career - his theatre direction. Also someone keeps on changing essential pieces of information. There is also inaccurate information. regards Chris Pender — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.121.36 (talk) 13:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the template {{WikiProject Biography}}. Please make your comments at Talk:Robert Chuter. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Update Free Image Search Tool link[edit]

Since the Free Image Search Tool has moved to Labs, could someone please update this template to change the link from http://toolserver.org/~magnus/fist.php... to https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/fist.php... ? I have made the proposed change in the sandbox. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:35, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Note that Template:Image requested already has the update I'm requesting here. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)