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This user ID was created in December 2010, initially with an interest in editing pages related to whisky – although my interests drift broadly. I am here to build an encyclopedia.

I am not especially expert on the subject of whisky, but I am interested in learning more about it, and I have had the impression that some of the Wikipedia material on this subject appeared to contain some errors and misconceptions. I have a fondness for trying to find objective truth and avoid incorrect impressions. I like to find and understand the actual rules that govern the making and labeling of the products (and where those rules apply and where they do not). I like to try to penetrate through the marketing messages to find the real facts, clearly identify the structure of who is the actual parent company that produces various products, and establish where and how they do it. I may not always get it right, but I'm trying.

Some particular whisky-related topics that I have taken a special interest in include:

  • Whisky, Bourbon whiskey, American whiskey, Canadian whisky, Scotch whisky, Irish whiskey, List of whisky brands, and various related articles about types and brands of whisky and the companies that produce them.
  • Straight whiskey – I created this article after noticing that this important category of whiskey had no article.
  • Sazerac Company – I created this article after noticing that this major private beverage-making company did not have a Wikipedia article.
  • Willett Distillery, a.k.a. Kentucky Bourbon Distillers (KBD) – I substantially expanded this article after noticing that there was not much information in it. KBD is a private family-operated company in Bardstown, Kentucky that produces several of its own brands of (mostly premium quality) Bourbon and rye whiskey and also works as a contract bottling company. This company tends to stay out of the limelight – their brands don't seem especially well known, and they tend not to put their actual company name on their bottlings. However, they have recently been increasing their profile – e.g., they rebranded themselves back to their previous name (the "Willett Distillery"), resumed distilling operations, began conducting site tours, rejoined the Kentucky Distillers Association (KDA), became an inaugural member of the Kentucky Bourbon Trail craft tour, and got their KDA membership upgraded to become the inaugural "Proof"-level member of the KDA.
  • Old Forester – I created this article after noticing that it was just a redirect to the Brown-Forman article, which barely mentioned this major and historically important product (continuously on the market longer than any other brand of bourbon, the first bourbon sold exclusively in sealed bottles, and the first major product of a major (still family-controlled) spirits company now publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange).
  • Beam Suntory (formerly Beam Inc.) and Fortune Brands Home & Security – I created these articles when the Fortune Brands holding company split to create two companies (shortly after selling its Acushnet operations), before Beam was bought by Suntory.
  • MGP of Indiana – I created this article (as Lawrenceburg Distillers Indiana before the facility was bought out and renamed) after noticing the importance of this low-key producer, which narrowly escaped being shut down at least twice, and now sources key products that bear the labels of various brands – especially including various rye whiskey brands.
  • Emperador (brandy) – I created this article just after discovering that this brand is allegedly the top-selling brand of brandy in the world (by volume). Ultimately, that claim proved to be not quite true, since the primary version of the product is not purely brandy, but it is still a highly notable product.
  • Alliance Global Group – I created this article after noticing that Emperador, Inc. (producer of Emperador brandy) had purchased Whyte and Mackay for £430m, and was surprised to discover not only that the company that made this big purchase had no article on Wikipedia, but that it was a part of an even larger holding company that didn't have one either.

To do list[edit]

Bourbon and other alcoholic beverages[edit]

  • Current items:
  • Consider this and this for the LDI article
  • Consider Sku's list of distilleries and brands
  • For Bourbon whiskey, remove repetitive information about being a "distinctive product", and move material out of the legal section that is not about legal requirements
  • Follow up on Talk:Kirin Company#Holdings or not / Talk:Kirin Company#Requested move 19 January 2015
  • Follow up on Talk:Suntory#Product category cleanup regarding Beam Suntory.
  • Create (or find) an article about Alliance Global and its Emperador (beverage company) subsidiary in the beverage business (see Whyte and Mackay and Talk:Jura distillery) and its Emperador brandy, which the Andrew Tan article says it the world's best-selling brandy, and clean up ownership information in related articles.
  • Create a Stitzel–Weller distillery article. See Rebel Yell, and the several articles linked therein under "see also" and Bulleit Bourbon and this remark and United Distillers (which owned the Bernheim distillery as well). Several articles already have redlinks for that important historic company
  • Create a Kentucky Distillers Association article (mentioning their Kentucky Bourbon Trail and DISCUS)
  • Create a List of registered distilleries of the United States (with DSP numbers, see US CFR Part 19)
  • Create an article to fix the redlink for doubler (distillation) in the KBD article (consulting this source as well those cited there)
  • Sour mash needs citations
  • Study the phenomenon of Uraguayan cognac and Armenian cognac, and edit the cognac article accordingly.
  • Study this article and this oral history project and update the Buffalo Trace distillery article as appropriate
  • Improve Maker's Mark based on information in Buffalo Trace Distillery
  • Create an article on distillery fires, including Jim Beam (August 4, 2003), Wild Turkey (May 9, 2000), Heaven Hill (November 7, 1996), the Bernheim Distillery (March 1896 and at least one previous fire), etc. It is clearly a chronic and continuing problem for distilleries.
  • Create an article on historic distilleries (those still operating and those not operating, those claiming to be the oldest, etc.)
    • McCormick Distilling Company, "operating continuously at the same location longer than any other distillery in the United States"
    • Glenturret distillery, "The distillery was officially established in 1775, but the distillery had previously been under the control of illicit distillers, who sought to avoid paying taxes to England, since 1717. [7] This early history has led to claims that Glenturret is the oldest distillery in Scotland, a title contested by other establishments such as Littlemill, [8] Glenisla,[9] Bowmore [10] and Glen Garioch. [11]"
    • Shimamoto, Osaka, "Shimamoto is the location of Suntory's Yamazaki Distillery, the oldest whiskey distillery in Japan"
    • Old Bushmills Distillery sometimes (dubiously) claimed to be the oldest, based on the notion of the oldest grant of a license to distil
    • Kilbeggan Distillery, claimed as the oldest licensed distillery (apparently not counting the period between 1954 and 2007)
  • Document, somewhere, the story of which U.S. distilleries (asserted to number ten in the Isaac Wolfe Bernheim article) were allowed to continue to produce whiskey for medicinal purposes during Prohibition (incl. Stitzel-Weller and Bernheim Brothers, see also Glenmore Distillery Company and Shively, Kentucky for Early Times), and the effect of WWII on American whiskey production.
    • But Always Fine Bourbon devotes its Chapter 2 to the subject. It says that a moratorium had been placed on production due to WWI (actually, it says WWII!) three years prior when the Volstead Act came into effect on 1920-01-17. Production was prohibited, and companies that had an inventory were required to move it to a government-controlled "concentration warehouse". Once there, it could be sold by prescription for medicinal purposes and could be sold to bakers. Bakers could buy 12 pints of brandy and rum for cooking. W. L. Weller & Sons and A. Ph. Stitzel Company (which were separate companies, but allied in some way) had a lot of inventory (and inventory receipts for product held elsewhere) and used that system. It says that six companies where granted licenses to resume production, but that only happened after the inventory had dwindled – not until 1929, just a few years before Prohibition was repealed. (Prohibition lasted officially until December 5, 1933; see the Prohibition article for the several starting dates.) Production at the Stitzel distillery on Story Avenue resumed on 1929-12-07, "among the first in the country since 1917 to produce whiskey", also producing for other distillers that had been granted medicinal licenses but were not yet ready to resume. The author's father wrote that as far as they knew, they were the first to resume production, and he didn't remember whether the distillery was operating as Weller or Stitzel. This was at Story Avenue, a site that was shut down in 1934. It produced whiskey for W. L. Weller & Sons, A. Ph. Stitzel Company, and "Whiskey was made additionally for Brown-Forman, Wright & Taylor, Bonnie Brothers, Old Kentucky, and was made by us also for H. McKenna and Waterfill & Frazier." A site in Frankfort had been planned to start the production in December, 1929, but couldn't do so because they ran out of money due to the stock market crash. Joe Beam was the distiller and Roy Beam was the assistant, and there were seven Beams working there. "Sadly, many of the smaller companies were bought by larger ones, and of the 75 or so distilleries operating at the time of the 18th Amendment, only 51 survived." (That was more than I thought – only a third weren't still around after a 13-year prohibition! How many of today's companies would survive a 13-year shut-down?)

To do list – other[edit]

Useful links for Wikipedia editing[edit]

Some useful material for Wikipedia editing (collected here partly so that I can remind myself where to find these):

Unusual article name styling[edit]

(Unusual capitalizations for composition titles are listed separately below.) A sampling of unusual article names (relative to MOS:TM and WP:AT (incl. WP:TITLETM) for cases seemingly not covered by WP:DIACRITICS) – see also WP:STAGENAME – also note that MOS:TM doesn't exactly say that it applies to the titles of works, but it includes several such items as examples (skate., Se7en, and Alien3):

Potential summarization:

  • People seem relatively tolerant of strange stuff when it comes to the titles of creative works.
  • People also seem relatively tolerant when it comes to the names of creative artists, in comparison to, e.g., the names of mundane brick-and-mortar companies (esp. outside of high-tech).
  • It matters whether there is some alternative name available. Regarding the name of something, if those who create a name make it unusually stylized and offer no apparent alternative to the world, they can make it stick.
  • Recent outcomes on move discussions for Deadmau5, Sunn O))), and Tech N9ne seem to indicate an increased tolerance for decorative character usage (at least in relation to creative artists). These seem to teeter on the edge of what is considered acceptable.
  • Se7en had inconsistent usage in reliable sources, and thus seems to have fallen firmly the side of avoiding the decorative character use.
  • People seem more tolerant of unusual formatting for topics relating to computers and high-tech.
  • Unusual formatting is sometimes associated with trying to project a youthful or rebellious image, and its use by people perceived as legitimately youthful or rebellious seems more tolerated than its simple use in run-of-the-mill brand names (e.g. "Macy*s" or "[ yellow tail ]"). In this context, someone who removes the stylization could risk projecting an 'uncool' image of themselves.
  • Omitting spaces seems like a relatively common and relatively accepted phenomenon.
  • Substituting a string of unusual characters for profanity is a well-established convention to indicate "expletive deleted", and is thus generally understood and accepted.
  • As long as numbers are read as numbers (instead of being substitutes for letters), they don't bother people so much. That doesn't explain U-J3RK5, but that usage is so unusual that the reader notices the strangeness immediately and either rapidly figures out what is intended or gives up and just treats the name as a string of arbitrary characters. Also, in this case, there is no alternative that seems to be available that doesn't seem insulting or uncool.
  • Decorative full stops, and especially terminating full stops, are frowned upon in Wikipedia article titles, as in the "skate." example of MOS:TM and the prior RM discussions for Anderson Paak, Bakuman, Damn (Kendrick Lamar album), Fun (band), Gangsta (manga), India Arie, Janet (album), Kobato, Lovestrong, Mad Love (JoJo album), Melody (Japanese singer), Moon (visual novel), Shakira (album), The Goods: Live Hard, Sell Hard, Okay (album), Withering to Death) and V (poem). On the other hand, we have will.i.am, Love. Angel. Music. Baby., and Portugal. The Man

Footnote: WP:TITLEFORMAT (within WP:AT) has this: An exception is made when the quotation marks are part of a name or title (as in the movie "Crocodile" Dundee or the album "Heroes"). Quotes:

Footnote: WP:OFFICIALNAMES is an essay, not a policy or guideline.

Footnote: See MOS:LIGATURE for ligature usages, such as Synæsthesia (Canadian band).

WP:UCN (in WP:AT):

Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. If the name of a person, group, object, or other article topic changes, then more weight should be given to the name used in reliable sources published after the name change than in those before the change. For cases where usage differs among English-speaking countries, see also National varieties of English below.

WP:TITLETM (also in WP:AT):

Article titles follow standard English text formatting in the case of trademarks, unless the trademarked spelling is demonstrably the most common usage in sources independent of the owner of the trademark. Items in full or partial uppercase (such as Invader ZIM) should have standard capitalization (Invader Zim); however, if the name is ambiguous, and one meaning is usually capitalized, this is one possible method of disambiguation.


Exceptions include article titles with the first letter lowercase and the second letter uppercase, such as iPod and eBay. For these, see the technical restrictions guideline.

MOS:TM:

  • Capitalize trademarks, as with proper names.
    • avoid: nintendo
    • instead, use: Nintendo
  • Don't expect readers to know, based on trademarks or brand names, what item is being discussed. For example:
    • avoid: Police in Miami confiscated 25 stolen Rolexes.
    • instead, use: Police in Miami confiscated 25 stolen Rolex watches.
    • however: The Prime Minister indicated that the Cadbury Creme Egg was delicious. (This is allowed because the product name includes the product type.)
    • another example: The Prime Minister indicated that the police in Miami had confiscated his Apple Watch. (Avoid Apple Watch watch.)
  • Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official", as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one:
    • avoid: TIME, KISS, ASUS
    • instead, use: Time, Kiss, Asus
  • Using all caps is preferred if the letters are pronounced individually, even if they don't stand for anything. For instance, use SAT for the (U.S.) standardized test or KFC for the fast food restaurant. Using all lowercase letters may likewise be acceptable if it is done universally by sources, such as with xkcd.
  • Do not use the ™ and ® symbols, or similar, in either article text or citations, unless unavoidably necessary for context (for instance, to distinguish between generic and brand names for drugs).
    • avoid: LittleBigPlanet™, REALTOR®
    • instead, use: LittleBigPlanet, Realtor
  • Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character when discussing the subject. Similarly, avoid special stylization, such as superscripting or boldface, in an attempt to emulate a trademark. In the article about a trademark, it is acceptable to use decorative characters the first time the trademark appears, but thereafter, an alternative that follows the standard rules of spelling and punctuation should be used:
    • avoid: macy*s, skate., [ yellow tail ], Se7en, Alien3, Toys Я Us
    • instead, use: Macy's, Skate, Yellow Tail, Seven, Alien 3, Toys "R" Us
  • Trademarks in CamelCase are a judgment call. CamelCase may be used where it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable.
    • OxyContin or Oxycontin—editor's choice
    • however: PlayStation (This is allowed because Playstation is not widely used.)

See also User:Fuhghettaboutit/Wikipedia:Title stylization

Recent example discussion: Talk:Jira (software).

Unusual article capitalizations for titles of creative works[edit]

See also (and follow up on) MOS:CT, WP:NCCAPS, WP:Naming conventions (music)#Capitalization

For some discussion outcomes that support MOS:CT, see Talk:Do It like a Dude, Talk:Moves like Jagger, Talk:Someone like Me, Talk:Someone like You (Adele song), Talk:Love You like a Love Song, Talk:Bridge over Troubled Water, Talk:A Boy Was Born, Talk:Nuttin' but Love (2nd RM outcome), Talk:Nothing but the Truth (1941 film), Talk:Everything Starts with an 'E', Talk:A Winter amid the Ice, Talk:See, amid the Winter's Snow, Talk:Four past Midnight, Talk:Nothing But the Truth.

Nicknames in quotes[edit]

WP:NICKNAME advises to "avoid ... adding a nickname ... in quotes between first and last name. For example: Bill Clinton, not William "Bill" Clinton." This guidance doesn't seem very strongly agreed for cases where the name with the quotes is commonly used in sources – especially when used by performers as a stage name. However, the use of the name with quotes seems avoided for disreputable characters, except for Talk:Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow, Steve "Clem" Grogan, and Talk:Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán. (WP:TITLEFORMAT says "Crocodile" Dundee and "Heroes" are O.K.)

An essay: Wikipedia:Using nicknames

On article titles for songs and albums[edit]

Per WP:NCM / WP:SONGDAB, I generally believe that the names of artists should be included in the titles of articles about their songs and albums. That makes the titles more clear and recognizable, and avoids future maintenance headaches over whether to consider some particular song or album as primary. Including the name of the artist is helpful to readers, the popularity of music is volatile, and new releases often appear with the same names (or strings of lyrics that might be mistaken for a name). IMHO, there is basically negative value in making song and album articles more ambiguous by removing the names of the artists from their titles. In many cases, we can easily discover that there are already several other songs with the same name that are covered on Wikipedia.

Other considerations include the depth of coverage and indications of exceptional noteworthiness.

Here is a good way to search for album names.

Generally, I think that if a typical English-speaking person sees an article title and thinks, based on the title, that they know what the article should be about, that is what it should be about.

Regarding WP:SMALLDETAILS, see discussion at Talk:Want You Back (Haim song).

Allmusic reliability and its use to establish notability[edit]

Wikiproject Albums

  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources – "Biography/reviews are fine, but do not use genre sidebar, as it is generated from a separate source from the prose. Don't use review score when review is not present, or mention the 'Album Pick' designation."

Notability of music

(20 is the lowest number completed in exhaustive checking)

Reliable sources noticeboard

(78 is the lowest number completed in exhaustive checking)

Interesting relations to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC[edit]

  • Mustang, a breed of horse (see its Talk page, not moved in 2013 and again 29 July 2014, with interesting comments on its Talk page)
  • Corvette, a type of ship (Not moved in 2009 and 9 June 2011)
  • Plymouth, a city in England (Not moved in 2010 and 3 March 2014)
  • Pontiac, a brand of automobile (Not moved 21 November 2015)
  • Cambridge, a city in England (No consensus to move in 2010 and 1 June 2012)
  • Easy Jet, a horse (No consensus to move 4 November 2015)

Memorable episodes, biases, and content disputes[edit]

Bourbon reference resources[edit]

Bourbon licensed during Prohibition[edit]

Not only Prohibition, but also the two world wars involved some restraints on the trade.

Grammar[edit]

A grammar quiz that I thought was worth the effort.

which & that This user knows how to use which and that correctly.
if & whether This user knows how to use "if" and "whether" correctly.
less & fewer This user understands the difference between less & fewer.
its This user understands the difference between its (of it) and it's (it is or it has).
you one This user knows that one should not use "you" in encyclopedia articles or other formal works.

In popular culture[edit]

Something is wrong with this article

Circuit diagram, Self-description, I'll take six

So you've made a mistake and it's public...

Barnstars and accolades[edit]

Pappy Van Winkle.JPG Happy 2nd Anniversary
As a token of my appreciation for your delectable efforts, please enjoy with my compliments. 7&6=thirteen () 18:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Amazing work! WellsWiggins (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png The Barnstar of Diligence
...to thank you for unscrambling and tidying up the complex history of move requests at Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton. MelanieN (talk) 17:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


Civility Barnstar Hires.png The Civility Barnstar
You deserve some Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve, as you exemplified patience and civility in the face of provocation, while tweaking the subject and the references. Well done! Of course, the aforesaid (at least in its 23 year iteration) is currently out of stock in most bars and liquor stores, so you will have to settle for something else. You can't always get what you want. 7&6=thirteen () 01:50, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


KY Barnstar.png The Bluegrass Barnstar
For your excellent work in adding clarifying material to List of cities in Kentucky, you are very much deserving of this award. Cheers! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 13:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Happy birthday! 7&6=thirteen () 18:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


Copyeditor Barnstar Hires.png The Copyeditor's Barnstar
For expanding the Cassius Clay album In ictu oculi (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png The Barnstar of Diligence
Thank you very much for your help! Breckham101 (talk) 17:46, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


Special Barnstar Hires.png The Special Barnstar
You have always been a great person towards me, and I feel like I have never fully expressed my gratitude towards you for being a friend and mentor to me, and for all the positive contributions that you provide to this project. This barnstar is for your kindness, honesty, and work. Thank you!-- MarshalN20 Talk 06:01, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


Halfstar Hires.png The Half Barnstar
Thanks for helping another editor at DYK (re Afghan alcohol) Victuallers (talk) 09:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)