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If there is no struggle there is no progress … Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.

—Frederick Douglass



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Hi, I'm Andreas Kolbe.
I was a founding member of Wikipedia criticism site Wikipediocracy
and later served for a while as co-editor-in-chief of Wikipedia's
community newsletter, the Signpost. My Twitter handle is Wikiland.


Selection of articles about Wikipedia
Bons mots

On the internet[edit]

By removing the face-to-face aspect of human interaction, the internet dehumanises people, and our imagination often turns them into inflated monsters, more terrifying because they are in the shadows. Meeting them in person rehumanises them again. —Jamie Bartlett, The Dark Net

On Wikipedia in general[edit]

  • The apparent accuracy of a Wikipedia article is inversely proportional to the depth of the reader's knowledge of the topic. —Kozierok's First Law
  • Wikipedia is like an old and eccentric uncle. He can be a lot of fun—over the years he's seen a lot, and he can tell a great story. He's also no dummy; he's accumulated a lot of information and has some strong opinions about what he's gathered. You can learn quite a bit from him. But take everything he says with a grain of salt. A lot of the things he thinks he knows for sure aren't quite right, or are taken out of context. And when it comes down to it, sometimes he believes things that are a little bit, well, nuts. If it ever matters to you whether something he said is real or fictional, it's crucial to check it out with a more reliable source. —Charles Seife, Virtual Unreality, Appendix, "The top ten dicta of the internet skeptic", Dictum no. 1.
  • Wikipedia isn't governed by the thoughtful or the informed – it is governed by anyone who turns up. There are a small core of people who like playing wiki as an in-house role-playing game and simply deny real-world consequences that might limit their freedom of action. There are a larger group who are too immature or lazy to think straight. And then there are all those who recognise "something must be done", but perpetually oppose the something that's being proposed in favour of a "better idea". The mechanism is rather like using a chat-show phone-in to manage the intricacies of a federal budget – it does not work for issues that need time, thought, responsibility and attention. I doubt this problem can be fixed – since it needs structural change to decision making – which is impossible for precisely the same reasons. —Scott MacDonald
  • The Wikipedia philosophy can be summed up thusly: "Experts are scum." For some reason people who spend 40 years learning everything they can about, say, the Peloponnesian War – and indeed, advancing the body of human knowledge – get all pissy when their contributions are edited away by Randy in Boise who heard somewhere that sword-wielding skeletons were involved. And they get downright irate when asked politely to engage in discourse with Randy until the sword-skeleton theory can be incorporated into the article without passing judgment. —Lore Sjöberg, from "The Wikipedia FAQK"
  • The present system favors the bold promotionalist, who can exploit it to force an article to his liking. It harms the modest unfortunate, who has to resort to extremely public and unnecessary discussions of whether his private life should be publicized here. It harms the people it should be helping, and helps those who a NPOV reference source has no business in assisting. —DGG, on Wikipedia's handling of biographies of living people
  • Wikipedia is a porch light for the moths of bias, editors battering themselves to death arguing over their objections of true belief. The porch floor is littered with their corpses, each with a "banned" banner stamped in tiny print. Wikipedia has no system for managing systematic bias and harnessing it into anything useful. It is one of Wikipedia's most pernicious aspects. —Greybeard

On the accuracy of press sources[edit]

  • Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for that rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. —Erwin Knoll
  • What people outside do not appreciate is that a newspaper is like a soufflé, prepared in a hurry for immediate consumption. This of course is why whenever you read a newspaper account of some event of which you have personal knowledge it is nearly always inadequate or inaccurate. Journalists are as aware as anyone of this defect; it is simply that if the information is to reach as many readers as possible, something less than perfection has often to be accepted. —David E. H. Jones, in New Scientist, Vol. 26
  • Actually, I'd say newspapers are more like commercial fast-food than soufflé. It isn't just that they are prepared in haste, it is that unwholesome additives and artificial sweeteners are added to true content, in order to make the whole thing more tasty. No one really asks whether the result is edifying or healthy, because it is generally consumed with a pinch of (even more superfluous) salt. —Scott MacDonald

The NPOV policy explained[edit]

  • Nasrudin was a judge and arbitrator in a dispute. First the advocate of the first side gave an eloquent discourse advancing his claims. Nasrudin, who had been listening intently, agreed and said, "That's right."
    Next, it was the other advocate's turn, and he was just as erudite. Once more Nasrudin agreed, adding, "That's right."
    Listening to Nasrudin's pronouncements, his clerk commented, "They can't both be right." To which Nasrudin agreed by saying, "That's right!" —Idries Shah

Verifiability and truth explained[edit]

  • One day the King decided that he would force all his subjects to tell the truth.
    A gallows was erected in front of the city gates. A herald announced, "Whoever would enter the city must first answer the truth to a question which will be put to him."
    Nasrudin was first in line. The captain of the guard asked him, "Where are you going? Tell the truth – the alternative is death by hanging."
    "I am going," said Nasrudin, "to be hanged on that gallows."
    "I don't believe you."
    "Very well, if I have told a lie, then hang me!"
    "But that would make it the truth!"
    "Exactly," said Nasrudin. "YOUR truth." —Idries Shah

"Assume good faith" explained[edit]

  • Nasrudin dreamt that he had Satan's beard in his hand. Tugging the hair he cried: "The pain you feel is nothing compared to that which you inflict on the mortals you lead astray." And he gave the beard such a tug that he woke up yelling in agony.
    Only then did he realize that the beard he held in his hand was his own. —Idries Shah

On God and the world[edit]

  • When a book and a head collide and a hollow sound is heard, must it always have come from the book? —Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (Lichtenberg on Wikiquote)
  • The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. —H. L. Mencken (Mencken on Wikiquote)
  • No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck. —Frederick Douglass (Douglass on Wikiquote)
  • Questioners sooner or later end up in a library ... And answers are dangerous, they kill your wonder. —Osho (Osho on Wikiquote)
  • In the coming world they will not ask me—Why were you not Moses? They will ask me—Why were you not Zusha? —Zusha of Hanipol (Zusha of Hanipol on Wikiquote)
  • Poems are made by fools like me / But only God can make a tree / And only God who makes the tree / Also makes the fools like me / But only fools like me, you see / Can make a God who makes a tree. —Yip Harburg (Harburg on Wikiquote)
  • Now every moment of consciousness, every moment of insight, through self-observation in the light of the Work, every sudden moment of seeing what a fool one is in different ways, not only alters the future but alters the past. It begins to re-arrange the memory of the past in a different way—that is, in a way that corresponds to the internal memory where things are rightly arranged in value, in scale, in importance.—Maurice Nicoll
  • Come you lost Atoms to your Centre draw, / And be the Eternal Mirror that you saw: / Rays that have wander'd into Darkness wide / Return, and back into your Sun subside. —Fariduddin Attar, transl. Edward FitzGerald (Attar on Wikiquote, FitzGerald on Wikiquote)
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  • The Half Barnstar Awarded to you and to Curt Wilhelm VonSavage. For the most civil disagreement I have ever seen on Wikipedia, at 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack. Very impressive. Keep it up! Katr67 (talk) 23:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

  • The Special Barnstar Awarded for your constant effort in promoting understanding and fellowship at the Prem Rawat articles.Momento (talk) 03:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

  • The Barnstar of Diligence For making the effort to locate a difficult to find and out-of-print source. If only more editors would go beyond Google in their research! ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

  • The Surreal Barnstar Awarded to Jayen466 by Esowteric for the wonderful and inspired work put into the Sam Blacketer controversy. Esowteric (talk) 16:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

  • The Neutral Point of View Medal with Human Rights / Local Police Ribbon JN466, in recognition of his many efforts towards balance and discretion on Wikipedia biographical articles, with special mention of his most recent proposal for image captions on the Cambridge P.D. – Prof. Skip Gates article: spot on in its provision of necessary context with extraordinary neutrality and concision!—Justmeherenow 19:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

  • The Copyeditor's Barnstar I would hereby bestow this barnstar as an enormous gesture of thanks for your help in bringing Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident to Featured Article status. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

  • The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar For the hard work verifying that Hannibal Fogg was a hoax and thus preventing Wikipedia containing a number of intentionally and methodically falsified entries, I award you this barnstar. Esowteric+Talk 12:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

  • The Barnstar of Awesomeness You rock man! I am truly amazed how fast you can find high quality third party reliable sources. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

  • The Citation Barnstar In recognition of your outstanding work in organising and resolving citation issues in the Inner German border article. -- ChrisO (talk) 12:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

  • The Teamwork Barnstar For being one of the copyeditors and reviewers who helped get Makinti Napanangka to FAC, but also for just generally being part of the FAC team. hamiltonstone (talk) 10:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

  • The Reviewer's Barnstar For your incredible ability to find the minutest ‘’minutae’’, and for suggestions on Cologne War, Unification of Germany, Hermann Detzner, and others. Auntieruth55 (talk) 19:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

  • The Barnstar of Diplomacy For trying to make two of our best editors work together, instead of against each other. GRuban (talk) 04:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

  • The Guidance Barnstar Thank you so much! Weaponbb7 (talk) 15:50, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

  • The Helping Hand Barnstar Thank you for helping me format my first article, rescuing it from deletion, and writing a genius hook for its DYK nomination. And for generally being a most excellent ♥ husband ♥. DracoEssentialis (talk) 22:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

  • The Law Barnstar Thank you very much for your support in the kangaroo court. You were clearly the most analytical person there. Where would I have been without a "lawyer"? I will not appeal, too much work, no fun. Anyway, this page is now on my watch list, which could be handy sometime. Thanks again. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Military history reviewers' award By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your good work helping with the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews during the period July-December 2009, I hereby award you this Military history WikiProject Reviewers' award. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

  • Military history reviewers' award By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your good work helping with the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews for the period Jan-Jun 2010, I hereby award you this Military history WikiProject Reviewers' award. Ian Rose (talk) 09:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

  • Imperial Triple Crown Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Imperial triple crown jewels upon Jayen466 for your contributions in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

  • The Human Sexuality Barnstar Nice work on the Creampie article.Cptnono (talk) 01:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Wikicookie for Jayen466. Bravo. For your very good correction in page of Pauline Bebe. Continue your good work in Wikipedia. Pass a good week chérie, Best regards --Geneviève (talk) 22:01, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

  • The Teamwork Barnstar Thank you for all your corrections of pages on the Women Hockey specially for the page German women's ice hockey Bundesliga . You were there to complete the best translation and correct my errors. I am grateful to you for it. Congratulation --Geneviève (talk) 11:57, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

  • The Socratic Barnstar For patiently explaining to me why I was wrong about the Dan Savage hooks on DYK, and being right. Khazar (talk) 16:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Param Vir Chakra for the Ganges to Ganga Move Attempt I would like to award you this medal for your well researched and compelling arguments in the Ganges to Ganga move discussion. Zuggernaut (talk) 14:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

  • The Barnstar of Diligence Thanks for taking lumps so that some iota of rationality could be brought to the convoluted, broken and corrupted system that is Wikipedia. Njsustain (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

  • The Barnstar of Diplomacy Jayen466 remained completely unbiased and mature about my Wikipedia article. So many members of Wikipedia, wanted to post tabloid information without even researching accurate information. Its individuals like Jayen466 that makes Wikipedia a reliable and trustworthy source for anyone that needs to find facts. Again, thank you for helping me on what I thought was an uphill battle on the web. All admins need to monitor critical information on Wikipedia. Since, so many children/people turn to Wikipedia to learn. Crackofdawn (talk) 05:30, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

  • The Original Barnstar This explanation of BLP policy is one of the best I have seen. You have it exactly right. Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:23, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

  • A kitten for you! Thanks for your input regarding the TimidGuy case. PhilKnight (talk) 19:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

  • All Around Amazing Barnstar For continuing to do your part in a less than friendly environment. Many thanks Momento (talk) 03:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar Thank you for being friendly to User:Youreallycan, a fine editor, in a time of distress. I really appreciate it and I'm sure he does too. With regards, AnupamTalk 04:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

  • The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar I've never given anyone a barnstar before. Thanks for doing what you do. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 18:00, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

  • On da house! You deserve one of these at least for your efforts to try to get the foundation to start taking more responsibility for development! Oh and tell Eric if he takes a sip I'll send out a ninga from my Japanese volcano to decapitate him. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:25, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

  • The Internet Barnstar Thank you, Jayen466, for your contributions to the List of Wikipedia controversies! You were our first runner-up. Thanks for all of your hard work! --SB_Johnny | talk✌ 17:21, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

  • The Original Barnstar Hi Jayen, this is a long-overdue thank you for everything you do around here. There's so much that it's hard to know what to emphasize, but the two things I want to highlight are the work you've done for BLP subjects, and the care, understanding and long hours you've put into making this a better place for women editors and readers. You're one of the few who have truly made a difference. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:17, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

  • The Signpost Barnstar For this week's excellent "In the news" article in the Signpost --Pine✉ 19:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

  • The Plenary Indulgence Being a critic is a fault we can forgive. Your writing for Wikipediocracy is always impressive and honest criticism is ultimately constructive to any effort. Perhaps the irony (considering this award's origin) will amuse you. Chris Troutman (talk) 08:05, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Precious Danke, merci, thank you, Andreas, capable of European languages and writing for several Wikipedias and their newsletters, for your contributions to quality articles such as Siege of Godesberg and The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman, for quoting "Wikipedia is a porch light for the moths of bias" and "answers are dangerous, they kill your wonder", for a careful look at sources and freedom of language, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

  • The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar For bravery and integrity during the Contribsx ArbCom case. Vordrak (talk) 23:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

  • The BLP Barnstar For commitment to the truth and integrity during the Contribsx ArbCom case. Vordrak (talk) 23:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

  • "you've got to be kind" Precious again, your evidence, pointing out that every editor is a human being ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

  • The Barnstar of Diligence Thank you. Ijon (talk) 18:29, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

  • A bowl of strawberries for you! Interesting article in the Signpost. Thank you. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 22:28, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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