User:Ned Scott

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While I try to keep up to date with discussions I'm in, it's very possible for me to miss something. For this reason or any other, feel free to send me an extra poke via e-mail or AIM, for anything, trivial or important (or to just say hi).
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I am User:Ned Scott on all Wikimedia Projects with the exception of wikinews:es:User:Ned Scott. I'm in my late-twenties and live in Arizona, USA. My main focus on Wikipedia is working on articles about entertainment and fiction (particularly anime and science fiction, which is probably not a big surprise), though I do enjoy working on much more than just those kinds of articles. Lately I've been more active in meta space than in article space, focusing on discussions and technical features such as templates. I'm also very interested in applying some of the methodology of Wikipedia to other wikis around the internet, which lead me to start up WikiProject Transwiki.

Unfortunately my personal time is being consumed by some other stuff lately, and I'm not nearly as active as I once was. Don't let that stop you from leaving me a message or asking for assistance if you feel I can be of some help! I will always be a Wikipedian, and look forward to always having at least some level of contribution to this great project. I also plan on getting more active again to at least finish a number of projects/ideas that I've either had or was involved in.

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RfCs - Art, architecture, literature and media

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga

A long time ago, on a Wikipedia not so far away, I made a proposal to absorb the now inactive WP:HENTAI into this project. This was based on the fact that this project has absorbed WikiProjects that have overlapping scopes before as in WP:GUNDAM, WP:DIGIMON and WP:DBZ. Also, seeing how WP:HENTAI didn't go anywhere in the 2 years since it was created, and one of the only two members listed at WP:HENTAI#Editor projects are now inactive as of a year ago, I see little reason to justify the existence or having a separate project for hentai-related topics when 99% of them already fall under the scope of this project.-- 00:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Visual Collaborative

Do the current references on the article page such as this website serve as a good source of information about this platforms notability?
JuneHazinek (talk) 12:45, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (architecture)

Higher-status class articles Cathedral of Saint John the Divine, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Moscow), Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong), Old Church of St Nidan, Llanidan, Old Church of St Gwenllwyfo, Llanwenllwyfo, Church of St. Polyeuctus, Church of the Holy Mother of God, Donja Kamenica, Church of St George, Kyustendil, use "X of saint". In Slavic, the most common use is "X of saint" (as in "Crkva sv. X"). So, my question is, should "Saint X" really be forced upon church buildings which in the "mother language" always use "X of saint"?--Zoupan 11:12, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:A Voice for Men

Question 1:

Should commentators describing the site as "hateful" and "misogynistic" be named individually and if so, is it appropriate to identify the feminist critics as feminists given the anti-feminist nature of the site?

Question 2: Is the size and detail of the criticism section appropriate given the breadth of citable criticism? If we were to expand it, which of the following tests for inclusion best applies:

  • Criticism raises an issue not previously raised
  • Criticism raises no new issues but either the author or RS is particularly notable
  • Criticism meets basic RS standards
  • Other

DallyKale (talk) 04:18, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music

When article titles about works by the composer John Ireland are disambiguated using the composer's name, should that name take the form John Ireland in all cases, or should it normally take the form Ireland and only use the form John Ireland when Ireland alone would be ambiguous or misleading?

Notes:

  1. This RFC is not asking whether the composer's name should be used as disambiguator, but only what form it should take when the name is chosen as a disambiguator.
  2. The question applies whether the name is the sole disambiguator in a given title or whether other information (e.g. a date) in used as well.

--Stfg (talk) 19:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Paranormal activity

At the moment, this page redirects to Paranormal, a general article about paranormal phenomena. There have been numerous attempts to redirect the search "Paranormal activity" to Paranormal Activity, an article about the 2007 film. These attempts are invariably reverted, most recently with the comment that the change was done without consensus. Yet no attempt has ever been made to determine actual consensus. So I ask: Should "Paranormal activity" redirect to "Paranormal Activity" as a simple capitalization shift? Note that each of the articles in question already contains a hatnote referring to the other. Krychek (talk) 18:45, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Death of Freddie Gray

The majority of the sources describe the protagonists as "white" or "black", but there are concerns that these distinctions offer an unneeded contrast, and arguments for advancing the use of "African American and "Caucasian" as more neutral have been voiced.

Comment with:

  • (A) for "white" and "black"
  • (B) for "Caucasian" and "African American"

Comments

  • (A) - Best is to follow the sources rather than our personal preferences. - Cwobeel (talk) 21:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Top Gear (2002 TV series)

Should years that presenters appeared in the series be included in the infobox? --AussieLegend () 14:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Lego Elves

"Unite the Magic" is labeled "Episode 1", and an annotation at the end of the YouTube version of the video says "Episode 2 Coming Soon" (as of late April 2015), so I thought it's going to be a series of 20-something-minute television episodes. But the next episode is not coming yet. How should I define those episode(s)? If it is a series of animated specials released irregularly, I'm going to put Template:Infobox television film instead of Template:Infobox television. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 14:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


RFCs - Wikipedia style, referencing, layout and WikiProjects

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers § Chronological items §§ Dates, months and years §§§ Strong national ties to a topic (MOS:DATETIES) says:
  • Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation. For the United States, this is month before day; for most others it is day before month. Articles related to Canada may use either format, with (as always) consistency within any one article.
  • In some topic areas the customary format differs from the usual national one: for example, articles on the modern US military use day before month, in accordance with military usage.

This wording is ambiguous whether articles on US military personnel should use month–day–year (MDY) format, as is standard for general articles about the US, or day–month–year (DMY) format, as applies to other US military topics. As noted above, there is mixed usage in articles on current/recent military personnel: the trend seems to be towards MDY format, but it is unclear whether this is due to editors assuming this applies to all US-based topics without being aware of the exception for the military. There are some articles that use a mix of both formats interchangably, which is undesirable, but it is hard to know which format should be preferred in this context. Some clarification of the above wording to explicitly state whether it applies to articles on specific military personnel would be welcome. sroc 💬 08:53, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2015

There have been back and forth over the lead wording and sources for months now and it is about time to ask the wider community to give it a look.

The lead as proposed by some editors is-

This is a list of individual incidents and statistical breakdowns of incidents of violence, including property damage and expropriation,[1][2][3][4][5][6] involving a violation of rights,[7] taking place between Israel and Palestinians in 2015 as part of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, but exclusive of particular events that fall within the parameters of any full outbreak of war hostilities.
Housing demolitions are regarded by Israel as justified as a deterrent response to acts of terrorism or on the grounds that the houses in question in East Jerusalem, and the occupied West Bank were built without permits from the Israeli Military Authority governing the West Bank.[8] The practice is condemned as discriminatory,[9] a form of collective punishment, sometimes as a war crime in violation of international law, by the United Nations, many human rights organizations,[10] the United Nations,[11][12] and scholars such as Meron Benvenisti and Saree Makdisi.[13] Israel has clashed with the EU's funding and construction of buildings for Palestinian residents in Area C, and ordered the demolition of 400 units saying that under international law, such structures do require Israeli permits.[14]

References

  1. ^ 'Israeli settler violence in the West Bank,' OCHA November 2011.'Violence by Israeli settlers . . . includes physical assaults, harassment, takeover of and damage to private property, obstructed access to grazing and agricultural land, and attacks on livestock and agricultural land, among others.'
  2. ^ Malin Pahlmblad, 'Israeli settler violence in Palestine,' European Parliament Directorate-General for External Policies, December 2012, p.14:'Settler violence against Palestinians takes many forms, including physical violence, destruction or vandalism of property (such as burning or uprooting trees and arson attacks on mosques), killing and stealing animals, and bathing in water wells used by Palestinians for drinking.'
  3. ^ Brian Frederking, The United Nations and US Foreign Policy: Collective Security Since the Cold War, Routledge 2007 p.157:'Most definitions say that terrorism is an intentional act of violence against persons and/or property, and it is intended to intimidate a population or influence government policy. . The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has greatly complicated this dispute. While those on one side interpret Palestinian acts of violence (particularly those suicide bombers that kill Israeli civilians) as clear acts of terrorism, those on the other side interpret Palestinian resistance to Israeli occupation as a legitimate act of national struggle. Conversely, while one side interprets Israeli policies in the occupied territories as state terrorism, the other side considers Israel to be acting in self-defense. Each side wants a definition of terrorism that implicates only the other side.'
  4. ^ Report of the Human Rights Council: Twelfth Session (14 September - 2 October 2009) Thirteenth Session (1 - 26 March 2010) Fourteenth Session (31 May - 18 June 2010) Thirteenth Special Session (27 and 28 January 2010), United Nations Publications, 2010 p.97:'Expressing its Grave concern at '(a) the continuing Israeli settlement and related activities, in violation of international law, including . . the expropriation of land, the demolition of houses, the confiscation and destruction of property . . which change the physical character and demographic composition of the occupied territories, including east Jerusalem and the Syrian Golan, and constitute a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War,’
  5. ^ Meron Benvenisti, Haaretz 2002 cited Cheryl Rubenberg, The Palestinians: In Search of a Just Peace, Lynne Rienner Publishers, 2003 p.136:'The destruction of a home is a barbaric act, and taking such a course of action, no matter what the excuse, is an act of terror that comes under the category of a war crime. . It would be hard to overstate the symbolic value of a house to an individual for whom the culture of wandering and of becoming rooted to the land is so deeply ingrained in tradition, for an individual whose national mythos is based on the tragedy of being uprooted from a stolen homeland.'
  6. ^ 'Israel's Policy of Demolishing Palestinian Homes Must End: A Submission to the UN Human Rights Council by the Israeli Committee against House Demotion,' ICAHD March 2012:'Since 1967 Israel has demolished more than 28,000 Palestinian homes, businesses, livestock facilities and other structures vital to Palestinian life and livelihood in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. The motivation for demolishing these homes is purely political, and racially informed: to either drive the Palestinians out of the country altogether (the "quiet transfer") or to confine the four million residents of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza to small, crowded, impoverished and disconnected enclaves . .Allocating land for military training is not confined to unpopulated areas but can occur in the heart of Palestinian residential communities. In the remaining 30% of the land, intended construction is conditional on complementarity with a plan endorsed by the Israeli Civil Administration, of which less than 1% satisfies this requirement. Thus Palestinians are faced with the choice of building irregularly or leaving their communities. This policy is violently enforced with the demolition of homes and other infrastructure such as schools and health clinics being a regular occurrence.'
  7. ^ 'As safe as houses? Israel's demolition of Palestinian homes,' Amnesty International, June 2010:'Palestinians living under Israeli occupation in East Jerusalem and the rest of the west bank face such tight restrictions on what they can build that their right to adequate housing is being violated. the Israeli authorities condemn as "illegal" homes and other structures built without the permits that they control and rarely allow to Palestinian residents, and then order their destruction. Demolition crews, accompanied by security officials, may arrive at any time, giving families little notice or opportunity to remove their possessions. Under Israeli military law applied to Palestinians in most of the west bank, evicted families are not rehoused or compensated. So, those evicted would face homelessness and destitution were it not for relatives, friends and charities. Palestinians in East Jerusalem fare little better under the Israeli civil authorities. .Violations of the right to adequate housing experienced by Palestinians in the oPt are both a symptom of the wider human rights violations to which Palestinians are subject and a barrier to their achievement of other human rights.. .As the occupying power, the actions of Israel in the oPt are also bound by the fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in time of War to which Israel is a signatory. Article 53 prohibits destruction of property that is not justified by military necessity.'
  8. ^ Anthony H. Cordesman, Arab-Israeli Military Forces in an Era of Asymmetric Wars,Center for Strategic and International Studies 2006 pp.71-72.
  9. ^ Mehran Kamrava, The Modern Middle East: A Political History since the First World War , University of California Press p.426 n.65:'Palestinian homes are often destroyed under the pretext of not having the proper building permits. The same requirement does not apply to homes of Jewish settlers, however. According to a statement by the Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions, 'With three unusual exceptions, in the past 30 years NO Jewish house non the West Bank has ever been threatened with demolition. . Israeli settlers are citizens of Israel and are subject only to Israeli law. None of the planning guidelines, procedures for obtaining building permits from the civilian administration or house demolition penalties applies to them. The first 21 Jewish settlements on the West Bank were done so without plans or permits and, indeed, against the stated policies and wishes of the Israeli government.'
  10. ^ 'Human Rights Watch calls on Israel to stop demolition of terrorist homes,' Haaretz 22 November 2014.
  11. ^ 'Israel illegally demolishing Palestinian homes, UN says,' The Times of Israel 24 January 2015.
  12. ^ 'UN accuses Israel of illegally razing homes of 77 Palestinians,' Ma'an News Agency 24 January 2015.:'Demolitions that result in forced evictions and displacement run counter to international law and create unnecessary suffering and tension.'
  13. ^ Saree Makdisi, Palestine Inside Out: An Everyday Occupation, W. W. Norton & Company, 2010 p.18:'Property expropriation is based on an Israeli reading of the Ottoman law of 1858, which is used to declare that all lands not registered as private at the time of Israel’s conquest of the West Bank in the 1967 Six Day War are public lands. B'Tselem has remarked that, even were that interpretation correct, the lands declared state lands are ‘public property belonging to the lawful residents of the West Bank, and as occupying power Israel is required to administer them for the benefit of that public, rather than denying Palestinians access to those lands while allocating to them to exclusive Jewish use and settlement.'
  14. ^ 'PM orders demolition of EU-funded Palestinian ‘settlements’ in West Bank,' The Times of Israel 7 February 2015.

Other editors have argued the lead and quotes in sources are unnecessarily long, not NPOV, WP:UNDUE and covers Housing demolitions which should get a separate list.

Various discussions on the subject can be found above in talk page. 21:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Did you know

</nowiki> tag to get it listed, and centralise the discussion either here, or on Talk:Main Page. Harrias talk 15:31, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

The previous RfC: Guidance on commas before Jr. and Sr. has been closed with the decision to allow the comma before Jr. or Sr. to be optional provided that each article is interally consistent. Accordingly, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies § Names §§ First mention §§§ Child named for parent or predecessor has been amended to read:

Editors may use or omit a comma before Jr. or Sr. so long as each article is internally consistent. Do not place a comma before a Roman numeral designation. Examples: Sammy Davis Jr.; Martin Luther King, Sr.; Otis D. Wright II, not Otis D. Wright, II.

Hopefully this will avoid ongoing arguments on which is the "right" form for individual subjects (based on their preferences or sources' preferences) and won't lead to editwarring (see MOS:DATERET for the guideline avoiding similar editwarring over date formats).

As flagged in the previous discussion, this raises the issue of commas appearing after Jr. and Sr.. All style guides state that, if a comma is used before, a matching comma must appear afterwards if the sentence continues—acting as an appositive, much like commas after dates in MDY format (MOS:DATEFORMAT) and after city–state combinations (MOS:COMMA).

Unfortunately, many editors are not aware of this rule in English and sometimes argue against it. Therefore, I recommend this section be further amended as follows:

Editors may use or omit a comma before Jr. or Sr. so long as each article is internally consistent (Sammy Davis Jr. or Martin Luther King, Sr.). If using a comma before, also include a comma after Jr. or Sr. if the sentence continues (John D. Rockefeller, Jr., was an American financer and philanthropist...).

Do not place a comma before a Roman numeral designation (Otis D. Wright II, not Otis D. Wright, II).

sroc 💬 05:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)

Because the proposal to establish a dedicated style noticeboard has fallen through, it is now proposed that Wikipedia talk:MoS be established as Wikipedia's official page for style Q&A. This would involve the following actions:
1) Adding text to the effect of "and for questions about the use of capitalization, punctuation, organization and other matters of style on Wikipedia" to "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Manual of Style page."
2) Inserting text to the effect of "ask style questions at Wikipedia talk:MoS" any place that would otherwise have pointed to a style noticeboard.
3) Inserting text to the effect of "ask style questions at Wikipedia talk:MoS (and not here)" in the talk pages of other style guide pages so that style Q&A is more centralized.

Here are the kinds of questions that people ask: 1, 2, 3.

The goal of this proposal is make help with Wikipedia style issues easier to find and more centralized without increasing opportunities for forum shopping. WT: MoS has already served as an unofficial Q&A board for many years. The discussion leading up to this proposal is available here. 05:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Did you know

Some people on the main page don't like the formatting of the Did you know section, and have proposed an alternate wording and are looking for a bold admin. See/participate in this discussion. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:00, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Article titles

At Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Combined proposal I proposed an update to the Wikipedia:Article titles policy part that explains and illustrates Precision, Conciseness and Disambiguation as applied to article titles (currently at Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision and disambiguation). After some preliminary comments at Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Comments on #Combined proposal, this seems ready for RfC. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:36, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan

The current MoS-JA specifies we should use the FAMILY–GIVEN name order for those born before 1868, and GIVEN–FAMILY for those born 1868 or later, unless trumped by WP:COMMONNAME. This leads to situations on the edge where, within a single article, certain figures will be FAMILY–GIVEN and others GIVEN–FAMILY—as in Kanae Yamamoto (artist), where Hakuei Ishii is described as the son of Ishii Teiko. Such an example consciously follows the guidelines, but appears to be a sloppy mistake.

Should MoS-JA be amended to allow uniform name orders in cases like this? And how far should this be taken—should an article on Japanese history have both "Tokugawa Ieyasu" and "Shinzō Abe"? How broad should the grey zones be? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 02:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Frill-necked lizard

I'm looking to get some input on the article title. The infobox and the first mention in the lead use "frilled-neck lizard", but the current page title is "Frill-necked lizard". It would be nice to have some consistency! Another alternative might be "frilled lizard". Zagalejo^^^ 03:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Derry

Do you believe that Derry/Londonderry and County Derry/Londonderry are more preferable names to the current Derry and County Londonderry articles to resolve the Derry/Londonderry naming dispute? Italay90 (talk) 10:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles

Per the above discussion, it has been discovered that the current style guide does not follow the Modified Hepburn romanization scheme exactly for the long vowel "a" あ and "e" え, despite the style guide explicitly expressing that the Modified Hepburn romanization is to be used for most cases. Should the style guide be amended? _dk (talk) 05:40, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name)

To save giving up on this I thought I'd have a go with an RfC.

This comes after the compilation and presentation of a number of extensive multiple RMs which, while gaining limited support, have otherwise been shot down in flames. I do not, however, consider this to be forum shopping as various of the less positive contributors have commented that the presentation of an RfC would be an appropriate route to take. Base pages for the current multiple RfC are as follows:

At personal preference I think that it would be beneficial if a decision can be made one way or another on this topic before the closure of the RMs so as to, potentially, save the effort that went into their compilation.

On the basis that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia I conducted a search on books in the form: (most OR least OR lightest OR heaviest OR tallest OR longest OR shortest) AND "in the". Results that contained a "fooest" content followed by something like an "in bar" content were, in sequence, as follows:

  1. The Most Beautiful Girl in the World
  2. The Most Misused Verses in the Bible
  3. The Most Important Fish in the Sea
  4. The Most Dangerous Area in the World
  5. The 100 Most Significant Events in American Business
  6. The Most Wonderful Doll in the World
  7. The Most Dangerous Man In The World
  8. The Most Important Little Boy in the World
  9. Vesuvius: The most famous volcano in the world
  10. The tallest, shortest, longest, greenest, brownest animal in the jungle!
  11. The Most Successful Small Business in The World
  12. Burj Khalifa: The Tallest Tower in the World
  13. The Least Examined Branch: The Role of Legislatures in the Constitutional State
  14. A short synopsis of the most essential points in Hawaiian grammar
  15. A brief summary, in plain language, of the most important laws of England concerning women
  16. Catalonia: An Emerging Economy : the Most Cost-effective Ports in the Mediterranean Sea
  17. The Politics of the Governed: Reflections on Popular Politics in Most of the World
  18. The Most Powerful Idea in the World: A Story of Steam,..
  19. Notices of the Most Remarkable Fires in Edinburgh
  20. Most Beautiful House in the World

I went through 18+ examples (not including, presumably, reprints or the "in Most of the World" example) that consistently used "the fooest" before finding one example, which happened to be at the beginning of the phrasing, which omitted the article.


My next step in research involved a web based search on grammar guide superlative

Results (with quotation of sections of relevant content) in sequence are presented as follows:

http://esl.fis.edu/grammar/rules/comp.htm presenting:

1-syllable adjectives: add -est to the adjective (plus the)

  • My sister is the tallest in our family.
  • Yesterday was the coldest day of the year so far.

... and so on

https://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/english-grammar/adjectives/comparative-and-superlative-adjectives presenting:

  • Superlative adjectives:
We use the with a superlative:
It was the happiest day of my life.
Everest is the highest mountain in the world.
That’s the best film I have seen this year.
I have three sisters, Jan is the oldest and Angela is the youngest.

http://www.edufind.com/english-grammar/comparative-and-superlative/ presenting:

SUPERLATIVE ADJECTIVES

Superlative adjectives are used to describe an object which is at the upper or lower limit of a quality (the tallest, the smallest, the fastest, the highest). They are used in sentences where a subject is compared to a group of objects.

Noun (subject) + verb + the + superlative adjective + noun (object).

The group that is being compared with can be omitted if it is clear from the context (final example below).

EXAMPLES

  • My house is the largest one in our neighborhood.
  • This is the smallest box I've ever seen.
  • Your dog ran the fastest of any dog in the race.
  • We all threw our rocks at the same time. My rock flew the highest. ("of all the rocks" is understood)

This text is as presented on the website and represents basic grammar.

The fourth website - http://www.learnenglish.de/grammar/adjectivesuper.html - shows that even the Germans get this right. Why can't we???


My concern is that, at present, Wikipedia presents examples of use of syntax that, if students were to emulate, would lose them marks.

I have also seen nothing similar to the current Wikipedia title presentations in contents like Britannica.


Many list type articles that contain superlatives are linked to Category:Lists of superlatives

GregKaye 15:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:On Becoming Baby Wise



RFCs - Wikipedia policies, guidelines and proposals

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards

I propose to move this page to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Anthroponymy pages, to align with the rest of the MOS subpages. The content here is relevant to anyone who might edit an anthroponymy page, not just regular participants of this WikiProject. Swpbtalk 14:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

The previous RfC: Guidance on commas before Jr. and Sr. has been closed with the decision to allow the comma before Jr. or Sr. to be optional provided that each article is interally consistent. Accordingly, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies § Names §§ First mention §§§ Child named for parent or predecessor has been amended to read:

Editors may use or omit a comma before Jr. or Sr. so long as each article is internally consistent. Do not place a comma before a Roman numeral designation. Examples: Sammy Davis Jr.; Martin Luther King, Sr.; Otis D. Wright II, not Otis D. Wright, II.

Hopefully this will avoid ongoing arguments on which is the "right" form for individual subjects (based on their preferences or sources' preferences) and won't lead to editwarring (see MOS:DATERET for the guideline avoiding similar editwarring over date formats).

As flagged in the previous discussion, this raises the issue of commas appearing after Jr. and Sr.. All style guides state that, if a comma is used before, a matching comma must appear afterwards if the sentence continues—acting as an appositive, much like commas after dates in MDY format (MOS:DATEFORMAT) and after city–state combinations (MOS:COMMA).

Unfortunately, many editors are not aware of this rule in English and sometimes argue against it. Therefore, I recommend this section be further amended as follows:

Editors may use or omit a comma before Jr. or Sr. so long as each article is internally consistent (Sammy Davis Jr. or Martin Luther King, Sr.). If using a comma before, also include a comma after Jr. or Sr. if the sentence continues (John D. Rockefeller, Jr., was an American financer and philanthropist...).

Do not place a comma before a Roman numeral designation (Otis D. Wright II, not Otis D. Wright, II).

sroc 💬 05:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Tag-OneClickArchiver

Since allowing gadgets and userscripts to use tags is a new thing, what should be the protocol for creating new tags? Do we need to hold an RfC for every tag? Is there anything controversial about creating a tag for a script to use (such as Twinkle or OneClickArchiver or wikiLove) to be able to find edits made with those tools more quickly and to save space in the edit summary for things important for the edit summary?

I propose that the protocol for creating new tags be a simple process. These tags improve the quality of the encyclopedia by making it easier to identify semi-automated edits and taking script identifiers "tags" out of the edit summary and making them actual tags. I proposed that established scripts that get used and make edits (such as the ones listed above and many others) shouldn't need any special RfC to build consensus to create the tag if a script maintainer has requested the tag (such as in this case below for Technical 13's[] OneClickArchiver[†] script). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 12:06, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Article titles

At Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Combined proposal I proposed an update to the Wikipedia:Article titles policy part that explains and illustrates Precision, Conciseness and Disambiguation as applied to article titles (currently at Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision and disambiguation). After some preliminary comments at Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Comments on #Combined proposal, this seems ready for RfC. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:36, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan

The current MoS-JA specifies we should use the FAMILY–GIVEN name order for those born before 1868, and GIVEN–FAMILY for those born 1868 or later, unless trumped by WP:COMMONNAME. This leads to situations on the edge where, within a single article, certain figures will be FAMILY–GIVEN and others GIVEN–FAMILY—as in Kanae Yamamoto (artist), where Hakuei Ishii is described as the son of Ishii Teiko. Such an example consciously follows the guidelines, but appears to be a sloppy mistake.

Should MoS-JA be amended to allow uniform name orders in cases like this? And how far should this be taken—should an article on Japanese history have both "Tokugawa Ieyasu" and "Shinzō Abe"? How broad should the grey zones be? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 02:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Help talk:CS1 errors

I'm getting sick of this. HundredsThousands (Category:CS1_errors:_chapter_ignored) of articles are affected and now display errors where they once worked fine because of the recent conversion. There was no discussion, no attempt to implement this in a thoughtful way. Chapter, section, etc, are perfectly reasonable parameters to expect in newspapers, periodicals, websites, books, and many other form of citations. The workarounds are simply not reasonable: title? No, not part of the title. departments? No, that sticks it in-front of the title, not correct in any citation style. at? wtf is that?

Please fix this by making the previously usable parameters work. I'm tired of having to update dozens to hundreds of articles, many of which are good or featured, to remedy an undiscussed fuck-up. If someone "needs" this to be in RfC question format: Should these errors be fixed in the citation template or the numerous affected articles where it previously worked. - Floydian τ ¢ 21:05, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Template talk:Cite isbn

An editor has added a template informing users that the {{cite isbn}} template has been deprecated, linking to a discussion at {{cite doi}}, where {{cite isbn}} is not discussed and the closer explicitly states "there is not clear numerical majority consensus"; further, many of the arguments there don't apply to {{cite isbn}}.

Now there are editors subst-ing out {{cite isbn}}s (about a thousand). It doesn't appear to me that there is anything like a consensus in support of such a move. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Article titles

TLDR: as a general reader, what seems easier to you: USS Nevada (BB-36) or USS Nevada (1914)?

This RfC proposes to replace hull or pennant numbers in article titles with launch dates. As my views have previously been made abundantly clear, I'll present them here.

Currently, Wikipedia's ship name policy specifies that hull and pennant numbers (e.g. USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70)) be used to disambiguate ships when appropriate. This is a change from an the older policy, which used them wherever possible, but there is at least a significant minority that still favors the approach.
Why should a general reader with no knowledge about warships know that they would need to type in something like (CVN-70)? At best, this is useless jargon for non-specialists. Worse, an argument for consistency falls flat when only a minority of countries use them; we only have these numbers for American and British/some Commonwealth ships. Now:
  • With American hull classification symbols, it's a lot of unneeded fluff in the title, and WP:PRECISE should force us to drop it (unless another ship shared the same name, obviously). These numbers have been changed in a non-trivial number of cases, like the Knox-class frigate.
  • With British pennant numbers, they're reused. If you can honestly tell me what ship HMS Ark Royal (91) is without looking or guessing, I'll give you a cookie. Not a single person can argue that pennant numbers are helpful to a general reader when they type a ship name in the search bar. As my colleague Parsecboy said, "Which is more helpful to non-experts trying to find the WWII Ark Royal in the auto-fill drop down - a list of articles with (91), (R07), and (R09) as dabs, or a list of articles with (1937), (1950), and (1981) as dabs?"

So given that it's pretty apparent that we've been perpetuating a system that is completely useless to helping our readers, I'm proposing that WP:SHIPNAME be changed to mandate the use of launch dates rather than hull numbers when disambiguation is necessary. We already do this for ships that predate hull numbers, and such a system would be far easier to navigate for our readers, who (a) are why we are here and (b) again, typically have little to no specialist knowledge about ships. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:58, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


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