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Tricks for consensus in a heated environment
Always assume its possible there's an ambiguity in the text that makes sense one way to you and makes equally good faith sense in a completely different way to someone else. Don't shoot back. When others try to make it personal remember that they are saying nothing about you and are instead telling the world they either lack discipline or else are consciously manipulating you to change the issue. So a personal attack by your assailant is nothing more than their own self-destruction. Smile to yourself, feel sorry for them, and move on. They are creating their own sanction by destroying their own editor-image. If you must stick with it, try very hard to avoid saying "you" and instead say "I" and "me" and stick to the subject matter. Then you don't have to get hot yourself.

Often a magic bullet is to ask the other editor for permission to try to repeat back their own argument as neutrally as possible even if you don't agree with it. That instantly tells them you are listening and does 99% of what is possible (at least on your part) to cool things off. Besides, the exercise uncovers simple misunderstanding the majority of the time. If they just stay hot and bothered, there's a good chance they've got some compulsory emotional stuff or else lack good faith, either way... know when to politely quit trying and stick to that decision. Don't waffle back and forth about it or you'll really get bombarded when you try to end it. Just don't shoot any parting salvos and leave the door ajar. (I don't know why doors like to have the company of jars, but it seems to help.) An interesting essay along these lines is writing for your opponent.

Feel free to copy reuse trash change distribute. Your mileage may vary.

If you leave a new message on this page, I will reply on this page unless you ask me to reply elsewhere.


Civility barnstar.png Civility Award
For your tireless effort to reach consensus on climate change articles Dkriegls (talk) 21:12, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Quicklinks & text for my quick reference


/Archive 1 /Archive 2 /Archive 3

DS alert notes

25-50-25[edit]

  • 25% of people will be mad at you (or unteachable) no matter what you do, so don't waste your time trying to change them.
  • 25% of people will be thrilled with you (or self-directed learners) so don't waste your time trying to change them.
  • Just focus on the 50% where you can make a difference.

DS alert stuff[edit]

DS alert testing, how does the template and tagging system work, anyway?

Test new alert system again (what if you cancel at the duplicate alert check window?)[edit]

Initial test this time[edit]

(inserted later) Purpose of this test is to check the log of tags; If you click "save" then the filter log is updated (as it should be) and I wanted to confirm that when you click "cancel" the log is not updated. But I discovered an unexpected glitch. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I ran this test with these steps
1. Started new thread at my own talk page to test the new alert system. Thread consisted of

{{subst:alert|cc}} ~~~~

2. At the pop window warning eds not to re-issue an alert in under 12 months, I clicked "cancel"
3. Inspected my talk page; the new thread referenced above had not been posted
4. Started a second new thread at my own talk page with the same string.
5. OOOPS!!!! I expected the pop up window to re-appear, but instead the alert was immediately posted to my talk page.
DISCUSSION
This is bad because someone unfamiliar with the system could easily click "cancel" when confronted with the pop up, go away to read about the new DS system and consider whether they really want to issue an alert, and then start over. In this scenario the alert would instantly post to the target ed's talk page, before the issuing ed does the 12 month check. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Repeat initial test[edit]

In this test (which is a followup to the test described above), the following alert message posted without ever presenting me with the popup "Are you sure you want to do this" windowNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:33, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Today I tried to run through the listed steps at the very top of this thread, however, after completing step 1 the alert message posted immediately, without presenting me with the popup window advising me to check whether the user had been alerted in the prior 12 months. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:33, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Repeat test, but change the topics area[edit]

Same test as prior subsection but I changed the topic area to tree shaping in case the topic area would produce a different result but the same thing happenedNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:35, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


  • Yes: as Callanecc says, the filter system is designed to ignore alerts left when an alert is already on the page in question. You can certainly use the template more than once on the same page, but it will not be tagged or treated as an alert for the purposes of WP:AC/DS. This prevents the user's talk page "tag" history from begin polluted, which was a particular concern of mine given that it is not possible to redact or remove entries in this history.

    You may in future need to legitimately leave an alert on a page that already has one (for instance, when alerting a user for one topic area when they have already been alerted for another – a rarity but also a legitimate use case). In this case, you will need to manually remove from the first alert the two lines of code that trigger the filter before leaving your own alert. Hope this helps, AGK [•] 23:07, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

  • I find the same results as you. If I (i) try to save an alert, (ii) hit 'cancel' at the warning screen, and (iii) try a second time to save an alert, then no warning screen is displayed after step (iii). However, the alert is appropriately tagged, so the template is functioning as expected. Unfortunately, it is not possible to have the filter display warning screens except the once, owing to the design of the AbuseFilter extension, but at the time I set up this system it was in my judgement an acceptable trade-off (there is no point in re-warning editors leaving an alert more than once). AGK [•] 23:03, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
@AGK:, thanks for the explanation; I would like to see a new (supplemental) tool developed. Right now, the "warning screen" has two functions for two different audiences.
  • Teaching tool - teaches eds unfamiliar or a little rusty how to do DS alerts
  • Research aide - whether ed is DS alert newbie or experienced DS issuer, there are links and insturctions on checking user's past DS alerty history.
Now that I know how DS alerts work, I know longer require the "warning screen's" teaching function, but I rely on it as a starting point for convenient research into the other eds' DS alert history. Going forward, if I want to issue a DS alert to someone, I'd like to be able to call up a tool to serve the research function, without any logging or alerting happening. Is that something that could be done? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:25, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
If you go to a talk page history at the top there is a "tag filter" section, type discretionary sanctions alert into that box and it'll pull up every edit which was tagged. I then click on the link to that version of the page and search for "discretionary sanction" to find any alert on the page. Likewise on the history page for WP:AE click on "Edits by user" at the top and type in the username you're searching for. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 02:35, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
@Callanecc: Thanks, but the tool I had in mind would save me from having to remember those things. I only want the info every month or three, and my brain is slowly turning into that of an old fart. It would be nice to have a simple way to request spoon feeding of that information, as a reminder! I stumbled onto this issue when initiating the DS alert process intentionally to get reminded by the warning box, prior to a decision to actually issue an alert. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 06:01, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
There isn't really a way I can think of to do it (excepting a WMFLabs tool) apart from using templates such as {{Ds/log}} and manually saving the username each time you want to check, though you can achieve the same thing by bookmarking MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-DS to remember the pages, but that's likely to just confuse. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 06:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
" bookmarking MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-DS to remember the pages" Good idea! (duh to me) NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 08:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Invite someone else to alert me[edit]

I think this refers to this comment about DS alertsNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

INDEED -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't, unless you ask me to here, however, could you explain how I find out if you've had one in the past year or not? -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 02:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

(A) Lemme have it! Seriously, its good practice and I don't mind. just do a new thread by copy pasting this
== DS Alert (psuedoscience) ==
{{subst:alert|ps}} ~~~~ ::
That might produce a pink box (designed to help you check someone's alert record), or it might not. The pink box is a little confusing at first. Let's just see what happens.
(B) To check someone manually
  • Manually look up user's DS Alert log..... talk page, version history, in tag field type "discretionary sanctions alert" without the quotes
  • If "no" then thru May it is also a good idea to look in the old notifications section, for psuedoscience that would be here. Old-system notices are valid until sometime in May.

NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Aha, just noticed this, sorry. Am going to follow your instructions, cos I didn't do it that way last time! Check for a new warning. If it doesn't appear, you've already had one within the last twelve months. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

A real DS Alert (psuedoscience) and also testing the DS system[edit]

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Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC) ::
Well that appears to work except for the pink box. I previewed the page. Now I don't as yet know if you've had one previously this year, as I haven't seen a pink box. If I was just doing this routinely, I doubt I'd look for the editors record of DS warnings. As is, I shall publish, then go and look for your record. I bet it is blemish free! -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm sad. I am boxily challenged (nothing pink) and I couldn't find a record of any alerts for 2015 for anybody at all. You don't appear to have had an alert in the past 12 months, though that piece of WP:OR may not be accurate. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I think it's broke! Thanks for calling this to my attention. I should have a heap of alerts (that I sent to myself) but they don't appear. I'll look into this more. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:32, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I was just reading the rest of the page, and there are three, yes that is 3, DS alerts, further up the page. doh. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 16:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Some others were archived or deleted.... so it's broken! Thanks for finding this error.
NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
This is the wiki dream, isn't it? We must be WP:Collaborating. Great, its easy, I blunder around the place, and other people think clearly, and have insights into things. Meh. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 18:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


Need complete diffs to show at least one missing alert[edit]

Hello NAEG. The log of all alerts you've issued yourself is at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=NewsAndEventsGuy. Some entries in this list have a 'diff' button and others don't. Those where there was a diff caused an actual message to be written on a page. When you hold back from the second step of the alert, there is no diff (I believe). Can you find any entry in this log where you perceive that an alert should have resulted, and did not? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:09, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply.
First, exploring your implied question, "When you hold back from the second step of the alert, there is no diff (I believe)." I did some testing, by initiating the first step of the DS alert process for a couple single-use accounts in the climate pages. Initiating the first step produced the pink box. For each test, I then canceled the process. Next I went to
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=_________________ for each account.
If I understand what you said, and if you are correct, then there should be an entry with no diff for each one, right? Nope! There is no such entry for either one. However, there could be delay so I'll have to look again tomorrow to be sure. The two unwitting single use accounts to appear in the climate pages were
  • 86.185.215.94
  • The edit master 123
I'm going to let this perk and will ping you with whatever followup when I look again. Thanks again for your reply NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:23, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
After perusing your filter log, I think that two alerts you gave on March 6 did not leave a talk message. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/11709737. Are you aware of whether you successully left a talk message at User talk:The edit master 123? That page doesn't exist and it doesn't look to have been deleted. The code of the filter is in Special:AbuseFilter/602 and it appears to be public. EdJohnston (talk) 21:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
A) "I think that two alerts you gave on March 6 did not leave a talk message" Correct, and I meant to not leave the msg on the talk page. As stated, I hit "cancel" at the pink warning box both times.
B) As mentioned, just after my test neither account had an entry showing the filter triggered, when looking using the url above. However after 2-3 hours they did.
C) CONCLUSION SO FAR - Hitting 'cancel' at the pink warning box still creates an entry in the filter log, even though nothing was posted to the user's talk page. However, there is at least some delay before it shows up.
D) I have more to say and I'll ping when I post about it. No time to write it up just now. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 22:16, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
There has always been a double-entry pattern: when you issue an alert, you make entries in the system log twice. But the user's talk page only perceives a single message, which is tagged with 'discretionary sanctions alert'. The first entry is "Actions taken: Warn" and the second one is "Actions taken: Tag". It's happened that way since the beginning (29 March 2014). But User:Dragons flight made some changes in filter 602 on 17 February 2015. I haven't noticed anything different since 17 February, myself.
These are the two ways of searching for alerts. In the user's talk page, use https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy&action=history&tagfilter=discretionary+sanctions+alert. In the system log (and in the filter log of the person giving the alert): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=602&wpSearchTitle=User+talk%3ANewsAndEventsGuy. The code of filter 602 suggests it is trying *not* to notify the person again if it perceives a previous alert still visible on their talk page. It searches for the string '-- Derived from Template:Ds/alert --' on their talk page and if it finds the string it doesn't give the alert. A few other times I've noticed the alert doesn't fire where I can't explain why not. EdJohnston (talk) 00:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Ed, thanks a ton for all this. It may take a day or two to find time to digest it. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk)

PS Ok, make that a week to a couple of months. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Self notify DS alert (Arab-Israeli)[edit]

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NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

These alerts are No-Fault FYI alerts, and since I may start giving them out in this topic area I thought I'd start with myself. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Is there really DS for "tree shaping" or are you just pulling our leg above? Capitalismojo (talk) 18:17, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Hard to believe, but yes: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tree shaping William M. Connolley (talk) 19:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
It was inevitable, as those people regularly got all bent out of shape.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:57, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Wow, unbelieveable. Capitalismojo (talk) 02:44, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
One might even say "unbe-LEAF-able" NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 07:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge[edit]

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HighInBC 00:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@HighInBC: Thanks, I self alerted at the start of my involvement there, and I've alerted several others, so I'm certainly on notice. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Okay good to know. Thanks. HighInBC 00:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

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The Malheur Occupation Barnstar

For exceptional and tireless work on the Malheur Occupation article and its sub-articles. MB298 (talk) 00:25, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

thanks MB298
NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:33, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Time to hit the sack for me.[edit]

Thanks for cleaning that up before anyone else read it. I need to grab some sleep as I'm obviously too tired to do a decent job. I reverted a couple of my own long edits a couple of months ago, accidentally. Also, I do find the political are an inseparable part of some of these situations which the articles cover. That's certainly the case with the Bundys, as is religion. I don't think any of the players were polygamists, but a great many were close to those FLDS and/or Centennial Park group communities. I haven't seen anyone take note of it in all the coverage. Ugh. Oh, are you going to the Wikipedia conference next month? Activist (talk) 12:13, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, the mormon connection is seriously under told, as is the context in the decades long Sagebrush rebellion. The story of the forest has been lost in the trees. Happy sleeping! I'm turning towards real life myself. As to the conference, nope, not going. You? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:22, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, going. Activist (talk) 18:40, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, enjoy! Ever been to such a thing? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:06, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
I haven't. I hope I won't be disappointed. Activist (talk) 12:52, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
If you post a write up on your talk page afterwards please ping me. Have fun NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
No problem. Happy to. Activist (talk) 17:44, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── In going back to review that article, when I noticed it had Finicum's domicile wrong, I noticed that many non-reliable sources referred to his death as a "murder." That even included the obit announcement on Legacy.com So I read it again today and noticed that the weasel word "allegedly" had been used to describe his reaching for gun before his death. I read the sources cited for the standing text and the word wasn't there. So I took your advice, wrote a TALK explanation, and changed the word to "apparently," and provided a definitive source. I posted to the article's TALK page and then made the edit. I expect I may run into a shitstorm. We'll see. Thanks again for the advice. Activist (talk) 20:14, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like careful editing, thanks! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:13, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── housekeeping note, the following refers to this editNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, you got me bent out of shape when you accused me of inserting factual errors into the Ammon Bundy page and harshly criticized my approach to the differing viewpoint on the G4S penalty. I am very careful about what I write and took your charge as attacking my honesty. I left a long response as soon as I read your ping, reverted your undo, then went back and did a couple more additions. I'm cooling off a bit as I've gotten off my chest and out of my system. As with ParsleyMan, I've had a lot of respect for both of your work on difficult (high interest, fast breaking, multitude of editors, complex, etc.) articles and was astonished that you would make those accusations. I hope this doesn't affect our future Wikipedia relationship, should we be editing the same articles. I wrote this many hours ago but had to run off to be with friends doing a housewarming, neglecting to hit "send," so I don't know if you've posted anything about this in the interim. Activist (talk) 23:24, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Usually a good idea to write that sort of thing but then get a good night sleep before sending. Sometimes, I write in Notepad just so I don't hit "send" before I can calmly consider the benefit and goal of my words. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Self-administered DS alert for climate change[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of file you uploaded[edit]

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Thanks for the help Majora, copyright is a foreign land to me. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:55, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Self administer DS alert for testing[edit]

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self administer DS alert for testing - the troubles[edit]

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self adminster DS alert for testing - 3rd waldorf alert today (one was cancelled)[edit]

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NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:52, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Why did you send me a DS alert[edit]

I got a DS alert from you. What is this? and is it because Im conservative? --Zgrillo2004 (talk) 21:01, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

DS alerts are, by definition, no fault / no blame / no shame. They are FYI. Since you're making edits and/or comments about politics in the US, such as the Orlando shooting, I felt it appropriate to call the special rules about US politics to your attention. You can read about those behavioral rules in the links contained in the notice I left on your talk page. In particular, you seem ready to pick sides, or at least make assumptions about other people picking sides. See also WP:NPA and WP:AGF. If you decline to read those things and modify your approach your stay here will likely be brief instead of effective. Your choice. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:11, 27 September 2016 (UTC)