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Philip Henry Hale[edit]

Hello. Just created Philip Henry Hale. Please help me expand it and add more references if you can. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

He (like Bush) is not among the people I usually follow. I'll take a look but I'm doubtful I'll be much help here.- Nunh-huh 15:09, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
The backbone is from the e-book I requested. I only found one obituary on though, which is odd.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:53, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

William Henry Bush[edit]

Maybe you can help me find his daughters's names? I wonder if the land is still owned by his descendants.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

His daughters were Caroline Gentry Bush b. 1909 and Ruth Emmeline Bush (1910-1955). Caroline Gentry Bush married Frederick Latham Emeny and had at least one daughter, Ruth Bush Emeny; Ruth Emmeline Bush married Francis Thomas O'Brien (1901-1986) and had at least two daughters, Gwendolyn Bush O'Brien b. 1937 and Caroline Bush O'Brien b. 1939. Can be reffed to [1] - Nunh-huh 15:13, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Is the reference on p. 412?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
The link should take you directly to the right page; it's p. 412 in the Google book though the page itself bears the page #6. I think it's in an appendix to the book, Descendants of General Richard Gentry, which started a repagination. - Nunh-huh 23:59, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I've added his daughters, not his grandchildren though (not sure if they are notable). Was he a descendant of Richard Gentry? If so, do you know if the book explains how?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
He wasn't a descendant of Richard Gentry. His wife Ruth Russell Gentry was. Richard Harrison Gentry was a son of General Richard Gentry, and the rest of the descent is on the referenced page. She was a great-granddaughter of the general. Probably not important enough to include a wife's descent. - Nunh-huh 16:21, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


In case you are interested, I have started William D. Orthwein and Frederick C. Orthwein. Maybe you can help expand them with in-line referenced info, etc.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:02, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, more recent: Adolphus Busch Orthwein. Will try to connect them all.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Edward W. Forbes[edit]

Could you please upload this picture to Wikimedia Commons and add it to the infobox?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:49, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

There's no copyright information there; the photo is marked as being from the Harvard Archives, and there's no year for the photo or when it was published. Without copyright info, it won't be accepted at Commons. - Nunh-huh 15:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Are you able find his fifth child's name?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:40, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I will look. There were at least two daughters, Rosamond and Mary Emerson Forbes, but I don't know their married names yet so I can't say if one was Mrs. Carl Pickhardt.- Nunh-huh 15:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
  1. Rosamond Forbes. She was born in Milton, Massachusetts, on 14 October 1908. She married Carl Emile Pickhardt (an artist). He was born in Westwood, Massachusetts, in 1908. He died in 2004.
  2. John Murray Forbes. He was born in Milton, Massachusetts, on 14 July 1910.
  3. Mary Emerson Forbes. She was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on 26 October 1912.
  4. Elliott Forbes. He was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on 30 August 1917. He died in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on 10 January 2006. He married Kathleen Brooks Allen.
  5. Anne Forbes. She was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on 18 May 1919. - Nunh-huh 16:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Do you have a reference from a book or newspaper please?Zigzig20s (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I haven't found a reference in which the whole family is mentioned. - Nunh-huh 19:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Grenville Lindall Winthrop[edit]

FYI. Perhaps you can help me expand it too. I think I'll try to create an article about his brother Frederic. (I found an obit on Jstor). I am surprised Grenville's article hadn't been created!Zigzig20s (talk) 07:03, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Oliver Harriman[edit]

Are you able to find a picture for User:Zigzig20s/Oliver Harriman please? I will try to expand his page with more articles from over the weekend. I think his son, Oliver Harriman, Jr., should also have his own page. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:32, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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Mary Elizabeth Cheney[edit]

The soprano from New York City. Do you think she was notable? There are articles on, but they seem fairly provincial.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't think there's enough for an article on her. If there were more material it might be feasible, but until that source is found there are others who need the attention more :) - Nunh-huh 05:25, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Organ crawl[edit]

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Herman D. Aldrich[edit]

Are you able to find more about this person please? I thought he might be related to the Astors because he has the same last name as The Astor Orphan, but now I am not so sure any more...Zigzig20s (talk) 03:59, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

J. Hooker Hamersley[edit]

I've decided to move J. Hooker Hamersley to mainspace. Feel free to expand it further if you can. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:35, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Organ crawl for deletion[edit]

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Léon-Honoré Labande[edit]

Hello. Do you think you could upload this picture to Wikimedia Commons and add it to his infobox please? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:37, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Published 1945, in France. I believe that it would be in the public domain in the U.S. only if it's in the public domain in France. In France, the author's proprietary rights last his or her lifetime plue 70 years. So it's not obviously in the public domain and can't be used by WIkimedia Commons. I believe we need to know the year of death of eiather Augustin Fliche or the (uncredited, I think) photographer to know when copyright lapsed. You could perhaps make a plea for fair use in the English WIkipedia, but I can't guarantee it wouldn't be deleted. I'm assuming there are no other images available? See Template:Non-free use rationale biog Template:Non-free biog-pic- Nunh-huh 16:06, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Very annoying, but thanks for looking into it. What about this picture of Gustave Saige? (I'm working on Monaco.)Zigzig20s (talk) 03:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I am very annoyed at the obstacles to using these sorts of images, but that's what we're stuck with. Prepare to be annoyed again. The image you found is from BNF (the Bibliothèque nationale de France). Images from the BNF are free for non-commercial use. However, that is not good enough for Wikipedia, which requires that images be free for all uses, commercial and non-commercial. Again, I think we could make a case for use on the English Wikipedia only. - Nunh-huh 03:55, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure who might want to do it under a fair use agreement. Can you think of anyone?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
If you want it in the article, I'll upload it here claiming fair use. If the Wikipedia image police delete it, that's on them, I guess. - Nunh-huh 04:16, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Do we know who the police boss is? It might be better to check with them first.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:50, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Btw, what about this (p. 9)? I will try to create his article later.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
That was published outside the U.S. by a foreign national in 1899 (so, before 1923). It's public domain. The image process at Wikipedia is extremely arcane, and like all things here doesn't have an actual boss. I'm sure there's someplace they all hang out but I no longer know where it is. Maybe Wikipedia:Media copyright questions is a place to start? - Nunh-huh 05:16, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Would be great if you could upload the count's picture and ping me with the weblink. I don't have the energy for Wikipedia "office politics" right now.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:43, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I know the feeling. I'll do the count within the next few days, holiday activities permitting. - Nunh-huh 05:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Btw. Do you know if there is much about the Gilded Age/Social Register families and Monaco? Specific individuals/families to look into?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:44, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
What pops to mind are the Heine's, specifically Alice Heine, and her New Orleans Miltenberger ancestors. She married Albert I of Monaco in 1889. I'm guessing we have an article already.
Would we have the same problem with this? It would look great on Charles de Venasque-Ferriol's page (in the career section).Zigzig20s (talk) 08:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
That is a very interesting question. Personally, I would be inclined to use it. But the fact remains that BnF says that it can be used for non-Commercial uses only. There can't be a copyright that is recognised in the U.S. of an accurate 2-dimensional scan of a page published centuries ago, and our practice is to ignore claims—mostly made by European museums who seek to charge for the used of two-dimensional representations of works in their collections—that the canning results in a new copyright that we are required to respect. But in this case there is a complicating issue: the handwritten annotations on the page may not have been published before, and they may indeed result in a valid new copyright. -Nunh-huh 03:23, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
What about this picture please? (Or this?)Zigzig20s (talk) 05:45, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The Trotwood Moore photos would still be under copyright.- Nunh-huh 03:23, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Armand, Count Doria[edit]

Merry Christmas. I've started Armand Doria.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
And a Merry Christmas to you!
I am going to suggest that the naming of that article should be reconsidered, as there are some interesting things about the count's name that I've lookind into. First off, the first thing I think of on seeing the surname "Doria" is that the person is connected with the Italian princely family, the Doria-Pamfili-Landi's, Princes of Melfi and of Torriglia and other places see also here. Our count may have an extremely distant connection with the Doria's, by he is not a male-line descendant of them. If you go back to the 1500's, his 5G-grandfather was one Paul Desfriches, who married Suzanne Motier de La Fayette. Their son, Artus Desfricehs, born in 1579, married Catherine Doria, born 1581, and their son François Desfriches Doria seems to have take the surname Desfriches Doria for himself and his descendants. So:
  • I believe "des Riches" is simply an error for "Des Friches"
  • I believe that, as is often the case, an early "Des Friches" evolved into a later "Desfriches" simply by dropping the space over time. But it was inconsistent.
  • I think that the original surname, "des Friches" or "Desfriches" was gradulally de-emphasized over time in order to emphasize the more prestigious "Doria", so that by the Count's time he is usually first mentioned as a "Desfriches Doria" or a "des Friches Doria", but that in subsequent mentions he may simply be referred to as a "Doria". Part of this is that the nobillary title was granted as "Count Doria", so people take that to indicate a surname of Doria, even though it doesn't necessarily do that.
  • So i propose that and "des Riches" become a "Desfriches" or "des Friches", but since it's so frequent an error, that we set up a redirect using "des Riches"
  • that we use "Desfriches Doria" or "des Friches Doria" or "Desfriches Doria" as his surname. Or perhaps Armand Des Friches, Count Doria.
  • That we use a goodly number of redirects pointing to the name you ultimately choose:
BTW, he married twice. His second marriage, to Marie Jeanne Valentine Madeleine d'Assas was on 17 July 1878, and of that second marriage there were an additional two sons and two daughters. (This also from a source you've already used, Les Doria de France: Provence, Avignon et Comté Venaissin, Bretagne, Ile-de-France et Picardie, Léon-Honoré Labande, pp. 297 ff.)
And now I'll get to work on the upload :) - Nunh-huh 03:04, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for uploading the picture. I think we should keep it like this for now. As we create more pages about his son (who inherited his art collection and auctioned it), brother, father, etc., we can worry about other names. "Armand Doria" is the most frequently used name, even though I know what you mean (Princess Beatrice calls herself Beatrice York for example). Btw, do you know much about Henri Doria, a Monegasque politician?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:21, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
No, don't know about Henri. I'm fine with Armand Doria, but I still do think "Riches" should be corrected to "Friches". - Nunh-huh 06:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I think it was his son who married d'Assas...Zigzig20s (talk) 04:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Maybe my attention wandered. I'll see if another source will be more clear. - Nunh-huh 06:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Btw I've moved Otto T. Bannard to mainspace. I'm a little busy preparing for 2016, so feel free to help finish it. I am trying to get rid of most of my userpages...Zigzig20s (talk) 06:11, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Are you able to find Otto's picture to upload it please?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:32, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. We just need to flesh out his 'career' section I think, then it'll be fine as a referenced start.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:00, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
FYI, I've moved Charles H. Jackson, Jr. to mainspace.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:24, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

James Battle Avirett[edit]

Do you think you could upload this picture please?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:11, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Ideally both his picture and a picture of his book cover (next page). I hope this isn't too much work! Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:20, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Done. I've added both to his article, but feel free to re-arrange things. - Nunh-huh 06:19, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you!Zigzig20s (talk) 06:28, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi again. Would you be able to upload this and add it to Robert Franklin Bunting please?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:37, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
That doesn't have any copyright information. It doesn't say where it's from, so we don't know if we can use it. It sort of looks like it came from a newspaper, but which one and when? We need to find a picture with source informaiton to use. - Nunh-huh 20:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes, idk. Not sure if you can find Isaac H. Hilliard's picture too? But don't worry if you can't.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:09, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I see nothing out there. - Nunh-huh 01:03, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Burton E. Green's house[edit]

Can you please upload this picture and add it to his 'personal life' section? I'd also love to find his picture, but so far nothing.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

What about this to William H. Payne's infobox please? I hope you don't mind. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:40, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I am not sure if there is a picture of Burton E. Green in the public domain...that would be great, but not easy to find!Zigzig20s (talk) 22:19, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
I checked out two of his passport photos, but they are so terrible they really can't be used to give an idea of what he looked like. - Nunh-huh 23:25, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

The Slaughters[edit]

Do you know much about John Bunyan Slaughter, Jr., also known as Jay Slaughter, educated at the Phillips Exeter Academy and Yale University, later owner and manager of the U Lazy S Ranch please? See this. I am working on an article about his father, John Bunyan Slaughter, and I've also created articles about his paternal grandfather, George Webb Slaughter, a few of his uncles, C.C. Slaughter and William B. Slaughter (rancher)...I am wondering if Jr. is sufficiently notable. I know the Social Register has members from California, not sure about Texas. If that is the case, he may be listed in it. Btw, can you find any pictures for any of them please?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:28, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

All I know about JBS, Jr. is what appears in the Yale Obituary Record. I could email that to you. He died childless and his ranch was taken over by his niece and nephew, the children of his sister Mamie Lott. I don't think there's a lot of Texas/NY Social Register overlap. - Nunh-huh 23:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I think U Lazy S Ranch already explains that. There must be more about him/them, but I think I will finish William B. Slaughter (rancher) and then move on to other topics. The history of land ownership in Texas is interesting, but a bit overwhelming!Zigzig20s (talk) 01:14, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm parochial. Not real interested in Texas, I'm afraid. I will send you JBS, Jr.'s Yale Obit, and a bit of his family history. The thing that intrigues me in his obit is that is says, "Death due to a gunshot wound," with no further information. I bet there's a story there... -- Nunh-huh 06:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I am interested in the history of land ownership--everywhere. Btw, you may be interested in horsebreeder Clarence Scharbauer, Jr.. I created his father's article, and I suspect his great-uncle, John Scharbauer, who was from New York state, is equally notable.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:12, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you about the obscurity of JBS Jr., and think it may apply to John Scharbauer as well. - Nunh-huh 00:45, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
No, John Scharbauer was a pioneer rancher--he owned a lot of land, etc. The family is still relevant--Clarence Scharbauer III serves as the chairman of the Board of Trustees at Texas Christian University!Zigzig20s (talk) 01:47, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure they're both big in Texas. But in NY, all John gets is a little one paragraph obit in the NYT. -Nunh-huh 01:59, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Sally Ward Lawrence Hunt Armstrong Downs[edit]

Are you able to upload this please?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

And perhaps this (one of her husbands). Btw, once I remove the "in use" tag, I think you may enjoy expanding this article, as there is an East Coast connection.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Ah, Uncle Tim's first wife. 🙂 I will look at the copyrights and see if I can extract the photos from their pages. - Nunh-huh 05:29, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
On Vene P. Armstrong, I'm not sure about rights. I suspect it's public domain, since its date is 1870-1890 so the painter is probably dead for more than 100 years, but the painter's name and therefore death date is not actually known. It might be usable as the Rights Fee Schedule suggests low resolution files can be used if credited to the Kentucky Historical Society, though this isn't quite explicitly a share-by-attribution release. - Nunh-huh 06:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
NM. Is there a picture of her first husband? Simply an heir, nothing more?Zigzig20s (talk) 07:46, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
There's a really terrible picture on Findagrave, not really usable both because of its quality and the lack of information about its provenance. Timothy Bigelow Lawrence was in the diplomatic service. From 1849 to 1855, he was attached to the U. S. Embassy to the court at St. James; from 1862 till his death in 1869 he was consul-general of U. S. for Italy. But as you suggest, I think his death at age 42 precluded major, article-worthy accomplishments other than being an heir. However, his second wife, Elizabeth Chapman (they married in 1854) was quite well known. She was from Doylestown, Pennsylvania, the daughter of Judge Henry Chapman, who was a one-term representative to Congress from Pennsylvania; she and her half-sister Fanny Chapman were the models for various characters in the novels of Henry Adams and others. Elizabeth made the acquaintance of various figures during the time she spent abroad and in Washington with her husband. She was friendly with Dickens, Thackerey, President James Buchanan, and Henry Adams. Of course she was presented to Queen Victoria (and did not think much of her appearance) and had the requisite dance with Prince Albert. Elizabeth Chapman Lawrence was the subject of at least one book, E. L.: The Bread Box Papers. Timothy Bigelow Lawrence had no children by either of his two marriages. There's a brief biography at [2] - Nunh-huh 12:17, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
I've added a bit more about Sally Ward's family. Her father and paternal uncle both need articles, but it's hard to find enough references. I wonder if there is a genealogical study on the Internet Archive.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:22, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
There is this book, but I am not sure if they are in it.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:33, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
They aren't as far as I can see. I did make a correction in the article regarding the identification of her paternal grandfather. - Nunh-huh 17:11, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
There's a Ward family genealogy here, in which Sally Ward's family appears, but it's not very complete. - Nunh-huh 10:56, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
I was pleasantly surprised to see there was a connection to the Junius R. Ward House. I can't find much about her father or uncle so far. I might create stubs that could be expanded as more references become available.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:20, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Frank K. Houston[edit]

Can you find his obituary please? For some reason, there are none on (talk) 19:28, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Are you able to upload this picture (p. 121) of the Beaver Dam Plantation please? It was published in 1982, so maybe not. But if it's on this website, surely it's in the public domain?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:47, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Sadly, being on a website doesn't make it public domain. So a photo first published in 1982 is still under copyright. If it was published elsewhere before 1923, it would be usable. I'll work on the rest of the stuff later, but have sent the obit by e-mail. It's shorter than I'd have expected. - Nunh-huh 00:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps the building where he lived in Lenox Hill is listed and should have its own article? It looks all right.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
It looks quite servicable :) Given that the average price of a studio apartment in Manhattan is now $1,000,000, I hate to think what they'll be asking for a 4 bedroom flat in Lenox Hill (in the luxury East Side)... - Nunh-huh 17:14, 7 January 2016 (UTC) -- Oh, I see it's "only" $3,450,000. How reasonable! - Nunh-huh 17:16, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
I wonder what the property tax would be?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:57, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
It seems to be upward of $200,000/year. And of course there's also the $6,500/month condo maintenance charge... - Nunh-huh 18:06, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

J. Washington Moore[edit]

I am working on another SAE brother--J. Washington Moore--do you know what "United States Commissioner" is? I googled it and it could be several things...Zigzig20s (talk) 19:00, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, out of context it's definitely ambiguous. But in this case it was a judicial post. The position was eliminated in 1968. The commissioners were attorneys who served the court on a part-time basis while continuing to practice law. There were 6 to 8 U.S. commissioners per U.S. federal district. U.S. Commissioners handled the preliminary criminal matters for the court, matters that are now dealt with by magistrate judges. See here.
There's additional material on J. Washington Moore here, including details of birth, marriage, and children. - Nunh-huh 04:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I added a bit. It was interesting to learn that he was a Methodist.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:48, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Btw, imagine my surprise when I discovered the Rand connection!Zigzig20s (talk) 05:18, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Herbert M. Harriman[edit]

Hello. I have moved Herbert M. Harriman to mainspace. Are you able to expand the career section please?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:27, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Thomas J. Latham[edit]

Could you please upload his picture to the infobox?Zigzig20s (talk) 03:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Btw, do you understand exactly what it says about the civil war on page 46? I think I misunderstood it when I read it yesterday, so I've changed it a bit. What does he mean by disenfranchisement though?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I've found this: Disenfranchisement after the Reconstruction Era. But the way it is worded is confusing. Do you think this means he was against allowing blacks to vote? The sentence has two negatives.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi. I will look at the upload in about a day or two (published 1905, so shouldn't be a problem), I'm coping with the flu right now and not accomplishing much. Yes, the article you found is what they are talking about on p. 46. Latham was in favor of allowing blacks to vote (i.e., he was against laws that would disenfranchise them). - Nunh-huh 05:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for uploading his picture. I replied on my talkpage about the other picture. Btw, I removed the "in use" tag. The article looks fine I think, but I would appreciate a read-through on your part. I couldn't find any children, so I am not sure where his million went...Zigzig20s (talk) 06:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to hear about your flu. Sorrel soup might work.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Probably. If only I had some sorrel :) Mrs. Latham lived several years after her husband, and was known locally for philanthropy. When she died in 1917, her obituary noted that she had adopted children, which I think can be taken to mean that she and her husband did not have biological descendants. - Nunh-huh 08:06, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I couldn't find an obituary on If you've found one or more, please do add more in-line referenced content!Zigzig20s (talk) 08:13, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Btw, Findagrave has their address (but it's not a reliable reference) and on google street view, there is nothing. So it must have been demolished.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
It says on the page with the photo that the house is no longer there. So more confirmation. _ Nunh-huh 08:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I wonder if it was burned down.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Thomas J. Latham has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

DARWIN Family Tree[edit]

ALL of the grandchildren have now been accounted for, but the spouses of three grandchildren: Charles, Gwendoline, and Ruth are currently 'missing': of the second generation of the Darwin family (grandchildren of Charles and Emma) the following three graves have NOT yet been located: Lady Katherine Darwin, nee Pember, wife of Sir Charles Galton Darwin; Jacques Pierre Paul Raverat (husband of Gwen Raverat, nee Darwin) and also William Rees-Thomas (husband of Ruth Rees – Thomas, nee Darwin). (Unfortunately the grave of Erasmus Darwin (1881-1915), son of Sir Horace and Lady 'Ida' Darwin, was destroyed during WWI.) Of these three, Jacques Raverat is more than likely to be the most difficult to find in France, the other two are somewhere in England!

Any help in finding these three is to be much appreciated?

'Darwinian Gravedigger' (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Links Club[edit]

Would you like to expand Links Club please?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:17, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I will have to look for a source. They have some interesting members/former members, and a nice bit of real estate, but that may be it. And how to source those.... - Nunh-huh 17:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Alfred Erskine Marling[edit]

Just wondering if you might be interested in expanding Alfred Erskine Marling please?Zigzig20s (talk) 07:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll take a look, but I don't have any info at hand on him. - Nunh-huh 21:14, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

DARWIN Family Tree 2[edit]

ALL of the grandchildren have now been accounted for, but the spouses of three grandchildren: Charles, Gwendoline, and Ruth are currently 'missing': of the second generation of the Darwin family (grandchildren of Charles and Emma) the following three graves have NOT yet been located: Lady Katherine Darwin, nee Pember, wife of Sir Charles Galton Darwin; Jacques Pierre Paul Raverat (husband of Gwen Raverat, nee Darwin) and also William Rees-Thomas (husband of Ruth Rees – Thomas, nee Darwin). (Unfortunately the grave of Erasmus Darwin (1881-1915), son of Sir Horace and Lady 'Ida' Darwin, was destroyed during WWI.) Of these three, Jacques Raverat is more than likely to be the most difficult to find in France, the other two are somewhere in England!

Any help in finding these three is to be much appreciated?

'Darwinian Gravedigger' — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to say I have no more information than you've already posted at Find-a-Grave... - Nunh-huh 01:13, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

What about the L.D.S for Cambridgeshire: Lady Katherine Darwin, nee Pember and for Surrey: William Rees-Thomas, please? (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

BillionGraves has a picture of a memorial plaque in St Botolph Churchyard for Katharine and her husband, but this doesn't guarantee that they are buried there. Nothing on Rees-Thomas. - Nunh-huh 23:10, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Lady Katherine's husband (Sir Charles Galton Darwin) was CREMATED at Cambridge Crematorium within days of his death! 'Darwinian Gravedigger'

DYK for Thomas J. Latham[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Joseph P. Sneed[edit]

According to Find a Grave (not a reliable reference), Joseph P. Sneed is Carly Fiorina's paternal great-great-great-grandfather. Are you able find a reference please? Is there a book about the Sneed family?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:00, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

There does not seem to be a book on the Sneed genealogy, at least on Google Books or in the book catalog. There is a book, The Descendants of Nicholas Perkins of VIrginia that gives the links between Joseph Peakin [sic] Sneed and Joseph Tyree Sneed, Carly's father, so if there is already a reference for her father in the article, I think that could be used. And of course Fiorina has at least 3 links to Mayflower passengers, which might be of greater interest, though I think difficult to document adequately by Wikipedia standards. - Nunh-huh 04:00, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Can you please send me a scan of the page? And how do you know she descends from the Mayflower? Btw, there is also a Sneed Road in Nashville, Tennessee (just a few streets away from Belle Meade, Tennessee), possibly named after one of her ancestors. There is also this in Brentwood, Tennessee, and William J. Sneed seems notable (I will request this article, as it's not on Jstor; he may be the namesake of that road.) So much for introducing herself as just a secretary...Zigzig20s (talk) 04:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Also just found this. I haven't read it yet.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:58, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): What do you think?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
It wouldn't do much good to reference one page, as each generation is on a different page. But it's available online at Hathi Trust; the reference would be something like Hall, William Kearney (1957). Descendants of Nicholas Perkins of Virginia. Ann Arbor, Michigan: Edwards Brothers, Inc. pp. 124; 196–7; 285; 372.  - Nunh-huh 05:48, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
I've also found this: Constantine Sneed House. It is a bit overwhelming though.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Constantine Perkins Sneed (1790-1864) was Carly Fiorina's GGG-uncle. -Nunh-huh 07:10, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Are you able to add an in-line reference for this please? It would be great to add this to the "early life" section in her article.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:17, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


It may amuse you to know, I have undone a change you made on 11 August 2004. To avoid a double-redirect, you retargeted conerbation to Metropolitan Area; but Conurbation was split out into an article on 10 September 2004.

This redirect has thus been targeting the "wrong" target for about eleven and a half years. Hey ho, WP:NOTFINISHED and all that. (It doesn't get many hits.) Si Trew (talk) 23:18, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Let it not be said that we don't get it right. Eventually. - Nunh-huh 10:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Lady KathArine Darwin, nee Pember[edit]

She was cremated, the funeral was in Wimbledon, where she had been living.

'Darwinian Gravedigger' (talk) 00:04, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I like your username[edit]

It's so perfect when you revert. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Occasionally, people are offended, so it has its pros and cons. No offense is meant. 😊- Nunh-huh 18:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)