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Happy Nunh-huh's Day![edit]

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Nunh-huh has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Nunh-huh's day!
For excellent service on the RefDesk and beyond,
enjoy being the Star of the day, Nunh-huh!

Cheers,
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18:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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Behe BLP Issues[edit]

this revert is in violation of WP:BLP as discussed here. Please self-revert. Thanks. JPatterson (talk) 01:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

As I received no response, I've reverted your edit and requested comment at | the the BLP notice board]. JPatterson (talk) 02:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I see they're in the process of setting you straight there. Behe's theory is rejected by the scientific community, and saying so is not a violation of any BLP policy. - Nunh-huh 04:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Archaeology and the Book of Mormon‎[edit]

I just wanted to clarify my edits at Archaeology and the Book of Mormon‎ because your edit summary seemed to indicate I removed content because of "formatting issues". I did two entries. One was just formatting a reference. The second edit moved an internal link to the "See also section" because it stated "Follow this link for the article on Genetics and the Book of Mormon." Attached to this sentence was a reference that related to genetics, not to the topic of this article (archaeology). The information that you put back, which was originally a reference, belongs in the genetics article. My apologies for not being clear when I made that edit. Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 23:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Responded on talk page. - Nunh-huh 02:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thank your for clearing up my confusion re Kodachrome in the context of the Zapruder film. As you may have noticed, I expressed my doubts in an HTML comment, away from the eyes of the general reader yet positioned so someone "in the know" would be likely to find it. Just as I expected, you did find my puzzled query and resolved the conundrum. What didn't expect was the insultingly asinine edit summary [1]. While you obviously have knowledge, you apparently lack the insight of the master, which is to see the subject not only from one's own point of view, but when necessary to see it as others do. Your effort would have been better expended in improving the text so others would not be perplexed, as I was, by this completely intelligent (if perhaps inexpert) question [2]. EEng (talk) 03:35, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, asinine is much better than silly :)! - Nunh-huh 03:43, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for HIV[edit]

HIV has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Phoenix of9 06:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


Happy Nunh-huh's Day![edit]

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File source problem with File:Eliot Bible.jpg[edit]

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There's no problem with this file, which is a two-dimensional representation of a work published in 1663! There is no copyright either for the original work or for a two-dimensional scan of that work. - Nunh-huh 22:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Bellomont spelling[edit]

It should be Bellamont. Cheers,86.46.213.225 (talk) 08:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I leave it to you to work out, but it's not clear to me that one spelling is more "correct" than the other. Cokayne's Complete Peerage treats the Viscountcy and Earldom under the heading "Bellomont, and Bellamont", noting that both are attempts to Latinize "Ballymount". Also noted: in Ulster's official Roll, the Viscountcy is given as Bellomont, the same spelling used in the enrollment of the 2nd (and last) Viscount. Similarly, the Earldom was created "Earl of Bellomont in our Kingdom of Ireland". When the Earldom became extinct, the Barony of Coote of Coloony devolved on a cousin of the last Earl, which cousin was then created "Earl of Bellamont in our Kingdom of Ireland". Cokayne considers this spelling a mistake - but of course, a mistake in a creation stands. So strictly speaking, "Bellomont" should apply to the early carriers of the title, and "Bellamont" only to the last one, created in 1767. - Nunh-huh 08:40, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

File:Nils Olav inspection.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Nils Olav inspection.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Rettetast (talk) 14:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

List of fictional physicians listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of fictional physicians. Since you had some involvement with the List of fictional physicians redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Magioladitis (talk) 08:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Looking for something to fill those empty hours?[edit]

Hi Nunh-huh. Would you please take a look? Tom Reedy (talk) 18:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Your Wisdom has been Noted[edit]

I just wanted to let you know that one of your comments has been included (and attributed to you) as part of my Nuggets of Wiki Wisdom . Thanks, and if you object then let me know :o)   Redthoreau -- (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Let me just say this about that: thank god you didn't choose something that I actually need to disavow... :) - Nunh-huh 07:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Princess Frederica Charlotte of Prussia[edit]

Hi, Nunh-huh! We talked about the above article in this discussion [[3]], and you said that you would be happy to add the references for the information to the article if I added it. Well, I have, so reference away! If you don't have the time, so no worries, it can just be removed or tagged and referenced eventually by anyone the usual way. Greetings--Aciram (talk) 15:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

A wee bit of writer's block there! Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program is looking for new Online Ambassadors[edit]

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Regarding Gretchen Carlson[edit]

You're right. I saw the ip blanking and the "removing references" tag, and rolledback without reading more closely. Not like me. Thanks for fixing it. Page really needs some wikilove. You'd think after a few years of subject being in the spotlight, there'd be enough RS to to build it up properly, giving Jon Stewart, Olbermann and Media Matters their appropriate tiny place in the subject's controversies section. BusterD (talk) 11:48, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to copyedit and improve the article today and in the near term; I'll get some better references, but please feel free to help out or disagree. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 13:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Alfred, Hereditary Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha[edit]

Howdy bud, I'm only on WP intermittently these days so I just now found your message. I think your additions are an improvement to the article - but since all the listed sources are printed materials, not online, I can't double-check.

I'm still concerned that a great many points in this article still seem to be unsubstantiated. Without doing a minute examination of the edit history, I can't tell who made these mistakes, you or someone else, but some that I think need attention are:

1. "The marriage never occurred." How do we know? Better to say "According to xxxxxx, the marriage never occurred," and give a source citation.

2. The first paragraph under the Death section is generally well written; however, there is no "Mr. Bush" listed in the reference section. Citation 6 uses "ibid" to refer to citation 5, which I suppose discusses the Bush claims; but Wikipedia policy is not to use ibid. or op. cit., because those references are easily broken. Somebody can come along tomorrow and insert a new source, which will come between what are now citations 5 and 6, making the "ibid" ref invalid.

3. The second paragraph in the Death section is totally unsourced. Where does that come from, about his "severe syphillis"? Who says so? I'm no doctor, but I find it suspect; I know that untreated syphillis *can* eventually lead to great physical and mental breakdown - but doesn't that take quite a few years to reach the end stage? He was only 24 when he died; maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't sound quite likely. Also, even though this was long before antibiotics were discovered, didn't they have treatments back then to at least slow the progress of the disease? He could certainly have afforded to seek medical treatment, coming from a wealthy family. Also, it says he got the bug "when he was a Guards officer" - but the article never says that he joined the Guards in the first place. And what "Guards" regiment was that, exactly? In England or in Coburg? Also, "his absence was announced . . . " By whom? In what paper? When? Again, solid sourcing and some direct quotes needed here.

4. Paragraph 3 in the Death section is pretty bad. Two paragraphs before, the article states "the exact circumstances of Alfred's death are not known," but this paragraph begins by flatly saying he shot himself. WTF?? The sentence is also ambiguous - if he did shoot himself, was it in front of his assembled family (awful thought)? Or was he somewhere else while they were having a party? If so, where exactly? Since as already stated in this section the circumstances are subject to debate, seems important to me that every verifiable fact be nailed down here with reliable sources.

You made a good start at cleaning up the article, hope this helps if you have the source materials and can do more revising. Textorus (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Jefferson[edit]

I have listened to the beginning for your recording of Thomas Jefferson and nothing is mentioned that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves or Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings. Why? Cmguy777 (talk) 00:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Because the recording is an accurate rendition of the article as it existed at the time of the recording. - Nunh-huh 00:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

AIDS Denialism[edit]

the term "denialism" IS a derogatory term, kiddo. Haven't you heard "he's in denial"??? Fine, you want documentation, you got it. But the real reason is that you simply wish to continue to marginalize this group. Pathetic. Kaihoku (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

If you've found a reliable source that shares your opinion, I have no difficulty with its inclusion. The group, by the way, is marginal—as in "fringe group", but it's not me who's responsible for that. :) - Nunh-huh 19:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed edit for Astrology[edit]

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The proposal is here.

Thanks, -- Zac Δ talk! 15:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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Yac (French)[edit]

I have just read your translation on the KAVEBEAR's talk page. Yac (French) is a nautical word to refer to a part of an English flag, ref. here. In the past the phrase "yac français" could have been used to refer to the French flag ref. hereAldoSyrt (talk) 17:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

HIV diagram being discussed at dispute resolution[edit]

Hello, I thought you might be interested in the discussion currently taking place at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#HIV discussion. Apparently DavoDavoDavo is still trying to get the HIV diagram deleted. I noticed you participated in discussions at the Talk:HIV page relating to this matter. MsBatfish (talk) 08:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

The Frogs[edit]

Thanks for pointing out my duplicative edits on The Frogs (musical), and thanks for your politeness in calling it to my attention. I deleted my edit (but left the reference.)Flami72 (talk) 11:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Refs[edit]

Can you add refs to the content you have added to the HIV articles per WP:MEDRS. Thanks --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:52, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

You added this paragraph [4] and it has no inline refs... --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:57, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
None of the sources are sufficient per WP:MEDRS thus moved to the talk page until this can be dealt with.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Both WP:RS and WP:MEDRS emphasis the importance of secondary sources. As HIV is at GA secondary sources will be needed for inclusion there. Will look into it some time. Cheers Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and in addition they note that primary sources may be used judiciously. The guidelines exist to avoid people misrepresenting and juxtaposing original research to make points not justified by secondary sources. There's no problem in this regard with respect to the material in question; there are no novel or even remotely controversial points being made here. I'm certain that Vwwong will supply references that you will like better; I myself am not convinced that replacing the references already supplied with, say, a citation to Harrison's Internal Medicine, would be an improvement. In any case, thanks for volunteering to help her. - Nunh-huh 17:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...[edit]

...for your contribution to the article Fido (dog)!Chrisrus (talk) 20:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

& aussi pour tes réponses rapides et compétentes à mes questions sur "Reference Desk" ! A propos, je viens de (presque) terminer la traduction (légèrement amplifiée...: 112 000 octets...) de Military history of African Americans in the American Civil War, si tu as le temps d'y jeter un coup d'oeil...Hal Jespersen l'a fait, et il m'a recommandé d'être prudent avec le problème des "Black Confederates". Je crois l'avoir été, d'ailleurs. Avec aussi mes meilleurs voeux pour 2012 ! Arapaima (talk) 17:48, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Bessie McCoy as Yama Yama Girl.jpg[edit]

Hi Nunh-huh, I'd like to move this over to Wikicommons. Do you know the source, was it from online somewhere or did you scan it yourself? Green Cardamom (talk) 15:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I scanned it from a postcard that I own. I actually have a few more Bessie McCoy things that I will use for her article...I'm waiting to write it till I get to the library for a bit more research. - Nunh-huh 16:24, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Jimson weed and sourcing[edit]

Dear Nunh-huh. I see that you've edited out my addition to the "Medical Explanations for Bewitchment" page now twice. I'm asking you to reconsider and repost it. "Jimson weed poisoning" is the most likely explanation for the afflictions in Salem Village in 1692. To exclude what I have added to this page will do Wikipedia and Salem researchers a huge disservice. I am a professional researcher and writer, who initially made this connection while extensively researching the Salem Witch Hunt in 1993 for a copyrighted, award-winning screenplay (It was a Walt Disney Studios Fellowship Finalist). Later, I adapted that story and original theory into a historical novel. Then more recently I discovered that I am not the first Salem researcher to make this link with Jimson weed poisoning. Back in the 1950s, seminal Salem historian, Marion Starkey, considered Jimson weed poisoning the most likely cause for the Salem afflictions which triggered the witch hunt. That was two decades before ergot poisoning was ever proposed by grad student Linda Corporeal. I didn't know about Marion Starkey's opinion when I made my independent Jimson weed discovery, but I did see at that time that Corporeal's theory of "ergot poisoning" couldn't be correct. (The ergot theory has now been disproved. Salem historians have established that the weather in Salem Village was dry in the summer of 1691, not wet and rainy as previously thought; therefore the ergot fungus couldn't have formed.) I also now know about Marion Starkey's support of my theory thanks to an article published in 2006 in "Skeptical Eye" written by Walter F. Rowe, Ph.D., Professor of Forensic Sciences at George Washington University, entitled: “Mysterious Delusions: Witchcraft in Salem” (Note: I include this citation in what I posted on Wikipedia today: Skeptical Eye, Vol. 18, No. 1 2006, p. 15.) Further, in an article by Ben Shattuck titled "The Devil's Trumpet" published last week in "The Morning News," which I'm presuming you read, my research was discussed. Despite his inaccuracies, in Ben's article, Mary Beth Norton, Cornell University professor of history, a well-known Salem authority, allows that my theory of Jimson weed poisoning might be right. (Historical fiction generally contains a blend of history and fiction.) My book THE AFFLICTED GIRLS won a national award--the 2010 IPPY Silver Medal for Historical Fiction. (IPPYs honor the year's best books from Small Presses, University Presses, and Independent Publishers in North America.) For all these reasons, I'm hoping you will reconsider reposting my piece. Please let me know what you decide. Thank you. Suzywitten (talk) 09:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)Suzy Witten, MA

Hi, Suzy Witten... The issue (which I've discussed on the talk page of the article in question) is not an issue of the validity of your theory, but rather an issue of sourcing and importance. We generally do not report theories which have not been considered and written about by secondary sources—in this case, such sources would be a discussion by historians about your theory of jimson weed poisoning with regard to the "witchcraft" allegations in Salem Village. If your theory is taken up and written about by such sources (and we generally prefer more than one) we will of course add it to the article and footnote it accordingly. So if Mary Beth Norton, writing about the Witchcraft trials in a peer-reviewed historical journal or work of non-fiction discusses your theory, we could cite her discussion. But a mere mention that it "could" be right in a popular blog is not the kind of reference that we are looking for. And lastly, I direct you to WP:COI; we are trying to become a reliable source of information rather than a place that people use to promote their own theories; we report theories according to the degree of acceptance they have, not according to the degree of acceptance they should have, or that we think they should have. In the event that your theory becomes more accepted I would urge that you let an independent Wikipedian add it rather than add it yourself to avoid this conflict of interest issue. (I would note also that, simply in terms of chronology, Marion Starkey could not possibly have supported "your" theory, but rather, if you share the same opinion about Jimson weed poisoning, you support "hers".) - Nunh-huh 10:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Vicky Budinger for deletion[edit]

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Natalie Barney & Eva Palmer-Sikelianos[edit]

Thanks for your interest and editing help. Zamdrist (talk) 02:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Luka Magnotta[edit]

See User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Luka_Magnotta.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:31, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've seen it. Is there something there you think particularly pertinent to or of interest to me, because if there is, I haven't noticed it. - Nunh-huh 22:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
It was simply because you protected the article Karla Homolka in July 2008. The media is claiming that some of the edits were by Magnotta himself, and while not outside the realms of possibility, some of them look like routine adding of gossip from the newspapers.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 02:31, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Ah, thanks, now I get it. Let's hope those with real-world powers of protection act promptly and effectively. - Nunh-huh 03:21, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit conflicts[edit]

Hi. :) It seems like you're having a bit of trouble editing AN with edit conflicts today. You have twice removed another editor's comments: [5]; [6]. I've fixed it, but please be careful. Thanks! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and I note that you had a similar problem. Showing that care isn't always sufficient. So please be careful about suggesting others are acting from malice in your edit summaries, when the vagaries of our system of edit conflict version resolution rather than specific intent is sufficient to explain the results. - Nunh-huh 13:24, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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Laboratory tests[edit]

Hi Nunh-huh, I posted a question Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Laboratory_tests, to which I would be grateful for your comment, if you have the time. Thanks! --NorwegianBlue talk 20:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

The context is allergy testing, but yes, I'm looking for broad categories. It's for a talk on a specialized topic within laboratory medicine. I am considering contrasting the list of "valid" or "legitimate" reasons, with the list given in this paper:
Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a space on every laboratory form in which the doctor had to state exactly why he had ordered a test. I believe if answers were honestly filled in we might get this sort of thing:
(1) I order this test because if it agrees with my opinion I will believe it, and if it does not I shall disbelieve it.
(2) I do not understand this test and am uncertain of the normal figure, but it is the fashion to order it.
(3) When my chief asks if you have done this or that test I like to say yes, so I order as many tests as I can to avoid being caught out.
(4) I have no clear idea what I am looking for, but in ordering this test I feel in a vague way (like Mr. Micawber) that something might turn up.
(5) I order this test because I want to convince the patient there is nothing wrong, and I don't think he will believe me without a test.
The majority of requests we receive contain no clinical information at all. -NorwegianBlue talk 11:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your comments! I redacted my entry above slightly. The edit summary explains why. --NorwegianBlue talk 07:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi again, Nunh-nun. Thanks for your further comments! I had to take a wikibreak to get the talk finished in time. I hope you weren't too badly affected by the storm, and that you and your loved ones are safe! I've decided on not citing the article in the talk itself, but will have it among a couple of extra slides after the final one, should the need arise. The audience will span from experts in the fields to practitioners such as the ones you mention. I'm not surprised you are unfamiliar with the field. I had a look at the US catalog of the main supplier (I only found the 2010 catalog online, but still...), and the tests in question were not listed. Maybe they're still waiting for FDA approval. Also, it's a somewhat controversial field, on the borderline between science and medical practice. See PMID 21771081 and PMID 21467924. I find it somewhat puzzling that the latter paper quotes the fable of the fox and the grapes - and ends "nondum matura est" - they're not ripe yet - as if that were the end of the story, after having criticized the field for being immature. But as our article states, the moral of the fable is 'People who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain would do well to apply this story to themselves.'. The first author works in Italy, badly hit by the financial crisis, and the second in the USA, possibly having to cope with restrictions imposed by the FDA. I'm unable to tell if the irony was intended or not. --NorwegianBlue talk 21:55, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request/Stale requests#George Gould Strong[edit]

Dear Nunh-huh! Is your request still open or ready for archiving? Please let me know. Thank you, -- Doc Taxon (talk) 13:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiMedicine[edit]

Hi

I'm contacting you because, as a participant at Wikiproject Medicine, you may be interested in a new multinational non-profit organization we're forming at m:Wikimedia Medicine. Even if you don't want to be actively involved, any ideas you may have about our structure and aims would be very welcome on the project's talk page.

Our purpose is to help improve the range and quality of free online medical content, and we'll be working with like-minded organizations, such as the World Health Organization, professional and scholarly societies, medical schools, governments and NGOs - including Translators Without Borders.

Hope to see you there! --Anthonyhcole (talk) 07:26, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

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Georg of Bavaria[edit]

Hi, I just came across your comments on the above page. I would like to ask you few questions in reference to that. I also have some fascinating scans of documents that you may be interested to see. Is there a way to contact you directly and e-mail these to you? Jauernig2011 (talk) 09:34, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Designation of Prince of the United Kingdom[edit]

Hi Nunh-huh - actually both "ordinarily" and "necessarily" are wrong, as all Princes of the United Kingdom have been designated as such by Letters Patent, and some of the principals followed in earlier years, for example those issued by Queen Victoria, would have resulted in Charles being designated a Prince by virtue of his being the grandson of a sovereign. I'm going to delete the word altogether.

Love, Light and Peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oinky (talkcontribs) 10:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I think "ordinarily" clearly indicates "under existing letters patent" or "in the absence of future letters patent to the contrary", either of which might be better substituted in preference to deletion of the word. I'll take a look, I see we're presently going with "usually" which, like "ordinarily", seems both correct and clear. - Nunh-huh 14:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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Man of La Mancha[edit]

Back in July, I asked about whether I need to read Don Quixote before seeing Man of La Mancha. My wife and I saw the musical last week and we both enjoyed it. FYI, I have still not read through the whole book and my wife has never read any of it. Thank you again for your answer. Dismas|(talk) 04:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I did indeed see it in Burlington. How does one find out about these national tours? I'd like to see others, especially H.M.S. Pinafore, but just usually wait till my local theater advertises something. Is there a listing somewhere?
And before the play, the manager of the theater did come out and say a few words which included talking about someone who had died but I didn't catch the name. Thank you for clarifying that. Dismas|(talk) 11:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Darwins[edit]

The LDS database has her dying 13 January 1898 at Egerton Place, London, London, England and buried 17 January 1898 at *Putney, Wandsworth, Surrey, England, citing Visitation of England and Wales (1893-1921), Howard, Joseph Jackson, (21 volumes. London: [Joseph Jackson Howard], 1893-1921), FHL (Family History Library) book 942 D23h., additions and corrections vol. 6 p. iv.

  • Is there any mention of which church in Putney, please?
No, that's all there is. I think you will have to check out the possibilities one by one. My first thought would be Putney Vale Cemetery, but there are many other possibilities.- Nunh-huh 21:34, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

A BIG THANK YOU! 2.30.195.31 (talk) 18:18, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you check out just THREE Darwins, two with spouses, from CD's generation on LDS for me please? Martin 2.30.187.251 (talk) 17:51, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I will if you reveal their names :) SEE BELOW!

1. Marriane Parker, nee Darwin.

She married Henry Parker (1788–1858) in 1824.

Birth: Apr. 7, 1798 Shrewsbury Shropshire, England Death: Jul. 18, 1858, England


2. Susan Elizabeth Darwin (unmarried)

Birth: Oct. 3, 1803 Shrewsbury Shropshire, England Death: Oct. 3, 1866, England


3. Emily Catherine “Catty” Langton, nee Darwin

She married 1863, Charles Langton clergyman and widower of her cousin Charlotte Wedgwood.

Birth: 1810 Shrewsbury Shropshire, England Death: 1866, England


It also might be a good Idea for you to select a username so you have permanent page -- Nunh-huh 02:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Putney Vale Cemetery,Stag Lane SW15: FOUND! AGAIN MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP; DETAILS TO FOLLOW.

yes! (will do) 2.27.132.10 (talk) 09:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

2.27.132.10 (talk) 15:20, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

1. Marriane Parker, nee Darwin.

She married Henry Parker (1788–1858) in 1824.

Birth: Apr. 7, 1798 Shrewsbury Shropshire, England Death: Jul. 18, 1858, England

2. Susan Elizabeth Darwin (unmarried)

Birth: Oct. 3, 1803 Shrewsbury Shropshire, England Death: Oct. 3, 1866, England

3. Emily Catherine “Catty” Langton, nee Darwin

She married 1863, Charles Langton clergyman and widower of her cousin Charlotte Wedgwood.

Birth: 1810 Shrewsbury Shropshire, England Death: 1866, England

Hopefully LDS will reveal where all the above are buried? Can you make it a "hat trick"? Nitramrekcap (talk) 10:46, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Early returns do not look promising. So far no results found, but I'm going to keep looking. There are some christening dates, if you care, but no burials. - Nunh-huh 23:39, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Peach Melba[edit]

Hello, Nunh-huh. You recently edited Peach Melba to say that the "Place of origin" of the dish is "France", noting that Escoffier made the dish for the Duke d'Orléans. It's not a cut-and-dried issue, but to me Prince Phillippe d'Orléans was not a place. The Savoy Hotel is in London, but of course Escoffier and Phillippe were French people, and Melba was Australian. I think it would be better to include no particular place, but I'm certainly not going to war over that opinion. Cnilep (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Andrew Bertie & Elizabeth II[edit]

Hello! You wrote, they are cousins, but according to thePeerage.com Andrew Bertie wasn't a descendant of George III. -- Worobiew (talk) 22:47, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I see no statement on that site that "Andrew Bertie wasn't a descendant of George III!" Even if "thePeerage.com" failed to include such a relationship, it wouldn't mean that there was no such relationship! In any case, thePeerage.com does indeed show the descent in question. I wrote that Andrew Bertie and Elizabeth II were fourth cousins twice removed, by common descent from King George III, and they are. Bertie's descent from George III is as follows:
1 George III of Great Britain (1738 - 1820) & Charlotte Sophia of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1744 - 1818)
2 William IV of Great Britain (1765 - 1837) & Dorothea Bland (1761 - 1816)
3 Elizabeth Fitz-Clarence (1801 - 1856) & William George Carr, later Hay (1801 - 1846)
4 Adelaide Harriet Augusta Hay (1821 - 1867) [thePeerage.com calls her Ida, but Cockaine's Complete Peerage calls her Adelaide, as does Lodge's Peerage and Baronetage of the British Empire, and I think we must favor published sources over a self-published web-site] & Charles George Noel (1818 - 1881)
5 Constance Julia Eleanor Georgiana Noel (1847 - 1891) & Sir Alan Henry Bellingham (1846 - 1921)
6 Augusta Mary Monica Bellingham (1880 - 1947) & John Crichton-Stuart (1881 - 1947)
7 Jean Crichton-Stuart (1908 - 1995) & James Willoughby Bertie (1901 - 1966)
8 Andrew Willoughby Ninian Bertie (1929 - 2008)
I am sure there are other, more distant relationships as well; I've just detailed the closest. Hope this is helpful. - Nunh-huh 00:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, of course you are right. Thank you very match. -- Worobiew (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: antisemitism[edit]

Thanks for the feedback. I've replied to you on my talk page. -- Kendrick7talk 01:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Technically, your suggestion is not allowed per WP:CANVAS. But I can't stop you from watchlisting the category talk page. :) -- Kendrick7talk 03:32, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

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Stephen Hopkins (Mayflower passenger)[edit]

I returned the information to the status it was when it was reverted. My apologies. Mugginsx (talk) 23:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Stephen Hopkins (Mayflower passengers)[edit]

Hello. I have added several other examples of published works of Caleb Johnson on the Talk page of Stephen Hopkins article and I wondered what your opinion is as to my choices - i.e., if they are good examples.

If you have any suggestions, I am open to them. You are obviously very knowledgeable on the subject. Mugginsx (talk) 15:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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Albinia Wherry[edit]

I just moved to Albinia Wherry to mainspace. If you could help add project tags to the talk page, categories, and generally expand it, that would be great. You could even get a DYK for yourself. Viriditas (talk) 04:56, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

LDS[edit]

Is Ermengard Maitland buried with her mother, Lady Florence Darwin, previously Maitland, nee Fisher?

2.30.187.198 (talk) 09:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Find A Grave seems to say so... - Nunh-huh 16:06, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Can you check LDS please? Thanks N-h!

2.30.189.13 (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to say they have no information about her death or burial. The only additional information: she traveled to Montreal on the "Duchess of York" in October 1931, and her birth place is Cambridge, England. (Manifests of Passengers Arriving in the St. Albans, VT, District through Canadian Pacific and Atlantic Ports, 1895-1954 , Affiliate Publication Number: M1464 , Affiliate Film Number: 576) - Nunh-huh 02:46, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

MANY thanks! Can you confirm her d.o.b. and d.o.d. (if possible) please? Much appreciated mate!!

Her death was registered in the Bathavon (Somerset) district in the Deaths register for July-Sept 1968. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.207.198 (talk) 20:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC) 2.27.131.242 (talk) 13:45, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I see only an estimated birth year from the death register which implies she was born about 1889. The age on boarder crossing from Canada to the US gives an estimated birthdate as 1888. But there is no image available; it's possible that her exact birth date appears on the passenger manifest, or that it doesn't; in either case it's unavailable. Sorry, but the LDS records don't seem like they're going to be much help here. - Nunh-huh 02:27, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

3 OF DARWIN'S CLERICS (AT HIS FUNERAL)[edit]

Do you have any data on: George Prothero, John Henry Cheadle, Thomas James Rowsell please? (Especially where they are buried?)

'DarwinDataMan' 2.30.207.225 (talk) 18:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, there (why not register DarwinDataMan or something similar as a user name?) I can find *some* data, but only one burial. Here's what I see at first glance:

Canon George Prothero 1818 - 1894
Father: Thomas Prothero
Mother: Mary Collins
born: 18 March 1818 Saint Woolas, Newport, Monmouth, England
christened: 23 May 1818 Saint Woolas, Newport, Monmouth, England
wife: Emma Money-Kyrle
children: 
 Roland Edmund chr 15 Oct 1851; 
 Michael Emile Dusantoy b 19 Dec 1856, chr 25 Jan 1857; 
 (Emma) Mildred b. 8 Dec 1861, chr. 12 Jan 1862; 
 George Walter b. 14 Oct 1848 chr 21 Nov 1848
died: 16 November 1894 Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
buried: 20 Nov 1894 Churchyard of St Mildred's Church, Whippingham, Isle of Wight
Minor Canon Rev. John Henry Cheadle 1851 - 1908
Father: poss. Thomas Cheadle; poss James Cheadle
Mother: Mary
born: 21 July 1851 Pendleton
christened: 6 August 1851 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
married: Mary Alice Truman, 2 Sept 1877, St. Mary, Putney 
died: 27 June 1908 at his residence, The Little Cloister, Westminster Abbey
abode at death: The Little Cloister, Westminster Abbey
probate 29 July 1908 London to Mary Alice Cheadle, widow. Effects £1945 1s. 4d.
buried:
Minor Canon Rev. Thomas James Rowsell 1816 - 1894
Father: Samuel Rowsell
Mother: Sarah
born: 13 April 1816 London
christened:24 September 1816 St. Mary’s, Lambeth, Surrey, England
married: 21 April 1841 St. Mark, Kensington, Surrey, England
wife: Marianne Norman, dau. of John Norman
died: 23 Jan 1894 Wandsworth, London, England  
abode at time of death: 20 Deans Yard, Westminster
buried: 27 Jan 1894 Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth, England. (Then the South Metropolitan Cemetery)  ceremony performed by Foster S. Barry. Number A14495, page 10666 in Bishop's Transcript register. This presumably corresponds to our West Norwood Cemetery.
children: Edith b. 3 May 1848, chr. 28 May 1848; Herbert b. 15 Aug 1843 chr. 6 Sep 1843; Marian Norman chr 1June 1845; Thomas Norman b. 27 Jan 1842, chr. 24 Feb 1842.; Bertha b. abt 1847.

- Nunh-huh 06:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for this 'data', which I will show to WESTMINSTER ABBEY regarding Cheadle's burial place!

Canon George Prothero was buried in the Churchyard of St Mildred's Church, Whippingham, on 20 Nov 1894.

Canon John Henry Cheadle is buried in Nuthurst, Sussex - according to Westminster Abbey staff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.190.108 (talk) 07:36, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

"DarwinDataMan" 2.30.195.16 (talk) 14:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

He can not register, because the IP is already evading a block for his main account... The Banner talk 16:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Darwin 'Challenge'[edit]

Can you confirm where these 3 "second generation" members of the Darwin family were buried/cremated?

  • Darwin, Lady Katherine Pember(Husband Charles Galton Darwin was cremated at Cambridge Crematorium.)

b. Oct. 8, 1901 d. Oct. 8, 1980

  • Rees-Thomas, Ruth Frances, nee Darwin IN SURREY

b. Aug. 20, 1883 d. Oct. 15, 1972 &

  • Rees-Thomas, William in SURREY

b. Jun. 15, 1887 d. Apr. 13, 1978

'DarwinDataMan' 2.30.195.16 (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

On most of these I can find death information but no burial information except that at Find-a-Grave, which if I am not mistaken was entered there by you...so it's a little strange to repeat it back to you, as you must have had some source before entering it there...
Nonetheless:
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Keynes, Lady Margaret Elizabeth, nee Darwin
b. Mar. 25, 1890 d. 1974 = Trumpington Parish Extension, Cambridge? (Daughter: Harriet is buried there.)
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name:   Margaret Elizabeth Keynes
Event Type:     Death
Registration Quarter:   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year:      1974
Registration District:  Cambridge
County: Cambridgeshire
Event Place:    Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 25 Mar 1890
Volume: 9
Page:   0700
Line Number:    14
Findagrave:
Name:   Lady Margaret Elizabeth Darwin Keynes
Maiden Name:    Darwin
Event Type:     Burial
Event Date:     1974
Event Place:    Trumpington, City of Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Photograph Included:    Yes
Birth Date:     25 Mar 1890
Death Date:     1974
Affiliate Record Identifier:    126207257
Cemetery:       Trumpington Parish Extension


============================
Rees-Thomas, Ruth Frances, nee Darwin
b. Aug. 20, 1883 d. Oct. 15, 1972 
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name:   Ruth Frances Rees-Thomas
Event Type:     Death
Registration Quarter:   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year:      1972
Registration District:  Surrey South Eastern
County: Surrey
Event Place:    Surrey South Eastern, Surrey, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 20 Aug 1883
Volume: 5G
Page:   1120
Line Number:    145
Findagrave:
Name:   Ruth Frances Darwin Rees-Thomas
Maiden Name:    Darwin
Event Type:     Burial
Event Date:     1972
Birth Date:     20 Aug 1883
Death Date:     15 Oct 1972
Affiliate Record Identifier:    129559574
============================
Rees-Thomas, William
b. Jun. 15, 1887 d. Apr. 13, 1978
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name:   William Rees-Thomas
Event Type:     Death Registration
Registration Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:      1978
Registration District:  Surrey South Western
County: Surrey
Event Place:    Surrey South Western, Surrey, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 15 Jun 1887
Volume: 17
Page:   1254
Line Number:    53
Findagrave:
Name:   William Rees-Thomas
Event Type:     Burial
Event Date:     1978
Birth Date:     15 Jun 1887
Death Date:     13 Apr 1978
Affiliate Record Identifier:    130377864


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I am not sure, but assume if you obtain the actual death records (rather than look at the indexes) they might reveal the burial places.

- Nunh-huh 06:39, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Darwin family tree[edit]

How many great-grandchildren were there? I can only account for 26 (below) but another source says 28:

By 'Darwin' parent (in no particular order):

  • a. Gwen Raverat, mother of 2
  • b. Charles Galton Darwin, father of 5
  • c. Margaret Keynes, mother of 5 <I only had 4, not counting Harriet Frances Keynes>
  • d. William Darwin, father of 1
  • e. Bernard Darwin, father of 3
  • f. Frances Cornford, mother of 5
  • g. Nora Barlow, mother of 5 <I see 6. Joan, Thomas, Erasmus, Andrew, Hilda, Horace>

HELP PLEASE!

'DarwinDataMan' 2.30.208.44 (talk) 18:02, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I can now account for all 29 of them!

  • a. Gwen Raverat, nee Darwin = mother of 2
  • b. Charles Galton Darwin, father of 5
  • c. Margaret Keynes, nee Darwin = mother of 5
  • d. William Darwin, father of 3
  • e. Bernard Darwin, father of 3
  • f. Frances Cornford, nee Darwin = mother of 5
  • g. Nora Barlow, nee Darwin mother of 6

Confirmed by a leading Darwin descendant: a Professor of History at the University of Cambridge!

'DardwinDataMan', 2.30.208.18 (talk) 10:54, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think this is complete: Darwin great-grand-children.png


- Nunh-huh 03:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

John Cornford was NOT born in Cambridge, Massachusetts!

FindingJohnCornford (talk) 21:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Of course, you're right, so sorry, wrong Cambridge! Thanks for pointing it out. - Nunh-huh 21:55, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

DEAD Darwins of the third generation & their spouses[edit]

Barlow, Andrew Dalmahoy b. Sep. 16, 1916 d. 2006

Barlow, Brigit Ursula Hope "Biddy", nee Black b. 1916 d. Dec. 5, 2004

Barlow, Erasmus Darwin b. Apr. 15, 1915 d. 2005

Barlow, Joan Helen b. May 26, 1912 d. Feb. 21, 1954

Barlow, Thomas Erasmus b. Jan. 23, 1914 d. Oct. 12, 2003

Chapman, Ruth Clare "Clare", nee Cornford b. 1923 d. 1992

Cornford, Christopher Francis b. Feb. 9, 1917 d. Apr. 8, 1993 Cambridge City Crematorium.

Cornford, Dr Hugh Wordsworth b. Oct. 18, 1921 d. Dec. 30, 1997 Cambridge City Crematorium.

Cornford, Rupert John "John" b. Dec. 27, 1915 d. Dec. 28, 1936 [No cemetery in Spain.]

Cornford, Mary Lucy "Lucy", nee Jameson b. 1912 d. 1991

Darwin, Francis William b. 1932 d. 1999

Darwin, George Pember b. 1928 d. Jun. 18, 2001

Darwin, Ginette Hugh Smith, nee Hewitt b. 1915 d. Jun. 12, 2006

Darwin, Henry Galton b. Nov. 6, 1929 d. Sep. 17, 1992

Darwin, Margaret Yvonne, nee Darby b. 1910 d. 1984 St Michael Churchyard, Winson

Darwin, Sir Robert Vere "Robin" b. May 7, 1910 d. Jan. 30, 1974 St Michael Churchyard, Winson

Gurney, Henry Charles Horton "Charles" b. 1913 d. 1997

Hambro, Edvard Izak b. Aug. 22, 1911 d. Feb. 1, 1977

Hambro, Elizabeth Jacqueline, nee Raverat b. Dec. 26, 1916 d. Mar. 7, 2014

Henderson, Helena Darwin, nee Cornford b. 1913 d. 1996

Henderson, Dr Joseph Lewis "Joe" b. Aug. 31, 1903 d. Nov. 17, 2007

Hughes/Fenn, Nicola Mary Elizabeth, nee Darwin b. 1916 d. 1976

Keynes, Harriet Frances b. May, 1918 d. May, 1918 Trumpington Parish Extension, Cambridge

Keynes, Quentin George b. Jun. 17, 1921 d. Feb. 26, 2003 Cambridge City Crematorium

Keynes, Richard Darwin b. Aug. 14, 1919 d. Jun. 13, 2010

Keynes, William Milo "Milo" b. Aug. 9, 1924 d. Feb. 18, 2009

Littleton, John Ely b. Jun. 23, 1923 d. Jun. 21, 2009

Mommens, Norman b. May 31, 1922 d. Feb. 8, 2000

Padel, John Hunter b. May, 1913 d. Oct. 24, 1999

Pryor, Mark Gillachrist Marlborough b. Feb. 25, 1915 d. Oct. 19, 1970

Pryor/Gurney, Sophie Jane, nee Raverat b. Dec. 20, 1919 d. Jun. 10, 2011

Trevelyn, Julian b. Feb. 20, 1910 d. Jul. 12, 1988

Trevelyn/Mommens, Ursula Frances Elinor, nee Darwin b. Aug. 20, 1908 d. Jan. 30, 2010

FindingJohnCornford (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

- And thanks also for this, especially where you've been able to supply exact dates. - Nunh-huh 22:18, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

new section for editing ease[edit]

Looking forward to your comments and any additional data; query the yod of Francis William Darwin? FindingJohnCornford (talk) 13:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, Francis William Darwin's death date was given as 2001 in a news article on Darwin descendants, and seems popular on the Internet, but I've not found primary documents. For an example Internet site: [7] which also mentions a wife whose name I do not have. However, death registrations seems to suggest a birth date of 26 Nov 1932 and a death date registered in July 1999. - Nunh-huh 14:09, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
  • "Francis William Darwin (1932–2001) was a zoologist and taught at the University of London, and married in 1974." Married in 1976 to Carol Worsley, nee Joll, two children.
  • Isabel Barlow, nee Body : (1915 - 2005)

&

  • Keynes, Lady Margaret Elizabeth, nee Darwin =

b. Mar. 25, 1890 d. Dec. 19, 1974

Looking forward to your much revised family tree!

FindingJohnCornford (talk) 19:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for the notice, but I had nothing to do with that article, which arose from a redirect I initially placed. If you believe Wikipedia would be improved by removing the information contained in the article I have no objection, though I rather think that the statement that she has appeared as an expert on several television panels is an assertion of importance or significance and that perhaps a non-speedy assessment would be more appropriate. - Nunh-huh 18:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Kate Bateman for deletion[edit]

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Sorry!! This was an automated message which was posted here when I nom'd Kate Bateman for deletion. I've copied it now to the correct user's page. Sionk (talk) 04:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Lady Henrietta Darwin, the third wife of Sir Francis Darwin[edit]

Surely at the point of her marriage to Francis Darwin her surname was still 'Maitland'? (Otherwise you are implying that she had already reverted to her maiden name of "Fisher", which she had not of course!)

FindingJohnCornford (talk) 11:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

yes, her surname was Maitland when she married Darwin, but women are always identified in genealogical charts by their maiden names. - Nunh-huh 16:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

But her children were obviously Maitlands: Fredegond, later Shove and the 'missing' Ermengard, of course!!

FindingJohnCornford (talk) 13:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

well, yes, but they aren't in the chart because it's a chart of Darwin descendants. - Nunh-huh 17:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
If you wanted some indication on the chart, it would be possible to call her, for example, "Florence Henrietta Fisher, widow of Frederic William Maitland". -Nunh-huh 19:22, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

6 missing members of The Glutton Club[edit]

Looking for biographical information and the grave locations of :

Blane, Robert b. unknown d. May 30, 1871 = No cemetery (London?)

Cameron, Rev. Jonathan Henry Lovett b. 1807 d. Nov. 21, 1888 = No cemetery (Shoreham!)

Heaviside, Rev. James William Lucas b. unknown d. Mar. 5, 1897 = No cemetery (Norwich?)

Herbert, John Maurice b. 1808 d. Nov. 3, 1882 = No cemetery (Ross?)

Lowe, Henry Edward b. unknown d. Jan. 1, 1895 = No cemetery (Torquay?)

Whitley, Rev Charles Thomas b. 1808 d. Apr. 22, 1895 = No cemetery (?)

FindingJohnCornford (talk) 09:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Request for admin help[edit]

Hi, may I ask for admin help with Dictatorship of the proletariat where an IP user has initiated edit war[8] after deleting a large part of the article and replacing it with his own ideas. Some of his changes are sourced and make sense, but others in the same edit are unjustified deletions of sourced content. Other editors have been also restoring the article after his changes, I'm just the most recent one. I suspect this might be User:Zozs who forced similar edits a few months ago and has now returned as an IP. I suppose semi-protection for logged-in users would at least partially solve the problem. Kravietz (talk) 22:15, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Peter Marié[edit]

Can you please provide a reference for the information you added? General Joseph Louis Arnaud could probably do with his own page actually, if we can find sufficient references.Zigzig20s (talk) 04:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I think Edith Minturn could get her own page. I haven't done any research on her yet though.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:50, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
If someone took a personal interest in it, I think she might get a page that wouldn't constantly be nominated for deletion. 😃 If that happens, we could add back the link... I wish we could use her Peter Marié portrait from here, but again it would be difficult to overcome fellow Wikipedian's copyright objections. If we could also get images of the Statue fo the Republic and the Sargent painting, it might even be a good page ;) - Nunh-huh 10:35, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
I could start a userpage.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:12, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
I've sketched out a first draft at User:Nunh-huh/Edith Minturn Stokes. - Nunh-huh 04:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I tried to improve the layout. Do you think she qualifies as an artistic muse? I will add more from newspapers.com if I can find more tonight.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I think muse is fair. She was one of those odd "society beauties" of the Gilded Age, and perhaps we should mention her sisters, who were also considered ideals of beauty (and who also married well). - Nunh-huh 19:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, if you have their names. They may be sufficiently prominent to have their own pages. Many socialites of the Gilded Age were pioneers of modern-day American high society.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:43, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I think you could probably move it to mainspace.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:03, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I got distracted, I still want to put in a few lines on her sisters Sarah May Sedgwick, Mildred Scott and especially Gertrude Pinchot, and her niece Rosamond Pinchot, and perhaps add a few points from "Love, fiercely"... I'm happy that you think it's starting to shape up, though. -- Nunh-huh 03:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Is Sedgwick a good family name? Interesting. In any case, do keep me po90ted.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:19, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
The Sedgwicks were prominent in Boston; now they are mainly remembered as the progenitors of various actresses :) - Nunh-huh 20:38, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Can you please add in-line references at the end of most sentences in the 'personal life' section? Otherwise, they may get deleted.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:17, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, tedious but I suppose necessary... - Nunh-huh 04:46, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
The standard layout is to have the parents, ancestors and siblings in the "early life" section (the "personal life" is for spouses and children). I think you could trim it and add their names to the infobox, as this page is about her. But is her brother prominent enough to have his own page for example?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, it's confusing, as it's no longer chronological, but if that is the way Wikipedia wants it, then that is the way it shall have it. Any of these people *could* arguably have their own page, but I do not think her brother cries out for one. - Nunh-huh 19:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Do you know where she was educated btw?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
At home. Only the youngest daughter received any formal higher education (I've added this in). - Nunh-huh 19:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. Do you know if her family was a member of Caroline Webster Schermerhorn Astor's Four Hundred? (We should have a referenced article with a list of those four hundred families btw...)Zigzig20s (talk) 01:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
It looks like she was Astor's niece. Can you figure out the complete lineage please? Is it from her father or mother?Zigzig20s (talk) 02:04, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Btw, I couldn't find much until I looked for "Edith Minturn Phelps Stokes". It looks like that's the name she used the most.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure there's no close connection with the Astors, and I'd bet that that's just a newspaper mistake. The wives or husbands who married Mrs. Astor's siblings (Schermerhorns) wre Bayard, Jones, Suydam, Irving, and Welles, and on the Astor side, her husband's, it would be Ward, Gibbes, Delano, Carey, and Dineheart, and so it seems she wasn't an aunt. Still, if a girl were coming out in 1886, she would have been born about 1868. so that's the right Edith Minturn. Her father had suffered financial losses beforehand, so her debut was much reduced in scope and grandeur from those of her older sisters. The 400 list [9] (really a more informal affair than the name indicates), at least as given by Ward McAllister to a reporter, included Mrs. and Mrs. Anson Phelps Stokes and Miss Stokes. This would have been Edith Minturn's mother- and father-in-law, and probably their oldest daughter Mildred. The Minturns don't appear on that particular list, but they still would have been considered part of "the 400". I would think the name that Edith most appears under in papers would be Mrs. I. N. Phelps Stokes or Mrs. Phelps Stokes. - Nunh-huh 03:03, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Her name is mentioned here. Do you understand the article? A trustee of the Morgan Trust Company? Something to do with Mahlon Sands, Ethel Sands's father I think...Zigzig20s (talk) 04:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't know the particulars of that summons, but it's apparently placed in an effort to clean up a complicated probate relating to the wills of Mahlon Day Sands and his 2nd wife. Edith Minturn (1844-1868) (sister of Robert Bownes Minturn, and aunt of Edith Minturn Stokes), was the first wife of Mahlon Day Sands. They had one daughter, Mabel, together; Mabel married Clarence Granville Sinclair in 1890, and apparently a pre-nup had been negociated between her husband and her father. Mabel died 10 days after giving birth to their only child, Sir Archibald Henry MacDonald Sinclair, 1st Bt and 1st Viscount Thurso. Mahlon Day Sands's brother was Philip Justice Sands. After Edith's death, Mahlon Day Sands married Mary Lucretia Hartpence, and they had three children, Mahlon Alanson Sands, Ethel Sands, and Morton Harcourt Sands. Mahlon Day Sands died in 1888, his will apparently setting up a trust for the benefit of his children (perhaps some of them, perhaps all. My guess would be that the pre-nup included a dowry and stipulated that that was all that Mabel was going to receive). His second wife, Mary Sands (née Mary Hartpence) died on 24 July 1896 in London. Her will set up a trust fund for the benefit of her children. She named Philip Justice Sands, Levi P. Morton (her uncle, and then Governor of New York), and Ernest Chaplin as executors. The probate court is presumably trying to reconcile the provisions of the Mahlon Sands trust fund, the pre-nup, the wills of Mahlon Sands and his second wife, and also apparently some issues with the Philip Justice Sands will. - Nunh-huh 08:31, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Seems to me like many of those people should have their own articles...Zigzig20s (talk) 14:38, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I guess some of them do... here's Archibald Sinclair, 1st Viscount Thurso, where Mabel Sands is referred to only as an "American mother" . - Nunh-huh 15:17, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Do you think Donald Bush is related to the Bushes?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
There's no obvious direct connection to the presidential Bushes. Can't rule out a connection, but I traced out both lines back to the 1700s and nothing. - Nunh-huh 08:31, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Who was Donald Bush?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:38, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Donald Fairfax Bush (31 January 1901-12 August 1985) - Harvard 1923 - was the president of Roosevelt Hospital in NYC 1956-64. His first wife was Harriet Balsdon Pratt. His mother, Edith Westervelt Low was of the family that gave NYC its mayor from 1901 to 1903, Seth Low (who was president of Columbia University from 1890 to 1901; the Low Memorial Library there is named for him). And her great-grandfather was V. P. Daniel D. Tompkins. His father, also named Donald Fairfax Bush (5 October 1864-26 November 1926) was a wealthy pig iron merchant in New York, but was born in Massachusetts.- Nunh-huh 15:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
The pig merchant might be notable. The first one might be too if he accomplished more.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
In any case, I think you should move Edith to mainspace now.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I have just so done ;) Nothing of course links to it yet. - Nunh-huh 17:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I think you moved it to the wrong place. You'll have to move it again, to 'article'.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:10, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Should be right, now. - Nunh-huh 17:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Look great to me. I wikilinked it from Peter Marié and removed the note there. Marié's collection of portraits includes many more GIlded Age socialites who may be notable for articles...Zigzig20s (talk) 00:04, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Columbus O'Donnell Iselin[edit]

Started Columbus O'Donnell Iselin, Iselin being a good family name. Feel free to help/expand the page.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Columbus O'Donnell Iselin was also a popular name in the family. There were three, possibly four, of them that I know of :). - Nunh-huh 15:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I started this one; certainly prominent enough to have his own article. I may create others from the same family. I know he's not the Columbus Iselin on the 400 list (that one may be notable as well.)Zigzig20s (talk) 15:32, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Maybe you could help me find a reference for both his parents's names. I am trying to figure out the family tree. I will look for obituaries on newspapers.com. How come you know so much about Gilded Age families btw?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Columbus O'Donnell Iselin 2d (1904-1971) was the son of Lewis Iselin and his wife Marie de Neufville, who were married in 1903. References I will try to find for you, but I also have to get some paid work done, so ... later ;) Lewis Iselin was the son of Columbus O'Donnell Iselin (1951-1933) and his wife Edith Colford Jones. - Nunh-huh 17:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC) P.S. genealogical specialty is Gilded Age, but really just a hobby. - Nunh-huh 17:16, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
The wedding of Columbus O'Donnell Iselin 2d and Eleanor "Nora" Emmet Lapsley occurred in St. Matthew's Church in Bedford, NY on 19 January 1929. She was a relative of Irish Patriot Robert Emmett (not a descendant, as he had no children). I'll add the reference from the NY Times later. Their children included another Columbus O'Donnell "Cole" Iselin (1931-2012). - Nunh-huh 17:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
It would be great to know all their children's names and dates of birth and death, and same for their parents. I find that retrieving basic genealogical details is the best way to avoid making mistakes upon article expansions/creations.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't have dates for all the children, but might be able to find them. The children of C.O'D.Iselin & Nora Lapsley were Maria, Eleanor, Victoria, Thomas, and Columbus O'Donnell Iselin. If you use the Email this user and give me an e-mail address, I'd be happy to share his ancestry etc. It's a bit much to type out. - Nunh-huh 00:12, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
FWIW: Louis Carré Hamersley, first husband of Lily Spencer-Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough, was the first cousin once removed of Edith Colford Jones, wife of Columbus O'Donnell Iselin, grandfather of Columbus O'Donnell Iselin (they both descended from John Mason (a founder of the New York and Harlem Railroad) and his wife Rebecca Clark. (so Louis C. Hamersley was first cousin 3 times removed of "your" Columbus O'Donnell Iselin.... - Nunh-huh 01:02, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Do you think Louis Carré Hamersley could have his own page? (Otherwise, when did the real estate fortune start? Did he inherit it from John Mason?) Zigzig20s (talk) 05:22, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
I think probably the only thing interesting about Louis Carré Hamersley was his will. If not the only thing, certainly the *most* interesting.
Louis Carré Hamersley’s fortune began two or three generations back. His GG-grandfather William Hamersley came from England, married well, and became a prosperous NYC merchant. (His wife was a descendant via the van Brughs of Anneke Jans who owned about 62 acres of what would become Manhattan.) His son Andrew Hamersley made a great deal of money in importing foreign goods, but lost much of it because he supported the British in the American Revolution. His fortunes were restored by an inheritance from Louis Carré, a West Indies merchant. He married Margaret Stell, a granddaughter of Thomas Gordon, one of the 27 original proprietors of New Jersey. Andrew invested heavily in real estate, and this is where much of the family’s wealth arose.
Andrew’s son Louis Carré Hamersley (named for his father’s benefactor) married Elizabeth Finney; their son Andrew Gordon Hamersley beame a lawyer, but never practiced. He married Sarah Mason, who was daughter of John Mason, second president of The Chemical Manufacturing Co., which gave rise to the Chemical Bank, and Andrew became a large stockholder and director of The Chemical Manufacturing Co. So to Andrew Hamersley's own fortune, his wife brought an additional considerable fortune into the marriage.
This was passed along to their only son, LCH, again educated as a lawyer, but who never practiced. His mother and father had left him an estate of about five million dollars, mostly in real estate.
LCH died in 1883. His estate at that time was still valued as about $5,000,000. He drafted his own will. It was probated in Manhattan in 1886. The will:
[1] left a life estate to his wife
[2] left that estate to his own male heirs after the death of his wife
[3] said that if he had no male descendants, that after his wife’s death, the estate should go to his cousin, J. Hooker Hamersley and his male descendants.
[4] and if there were no such descendants, the estate should go to charities selected by his widow and designated in her will.
J. Hooker Hamersley died before LCH’s widow. And when she died (as Lady Beresford) she had not designated any charities. Therefore the money would have been expected to go to J. Hooker Hamersley’s only son, Louis Gordon Hamersley. And eventually it did.
But not before a lot of legal back-and-forth.
On LCH’s death in 1883 his will was attacked by his mother’s relatives, because Sarah Mason had brought to LCH’s father a goodly portion of the John Mason Chemical Bank fortune, and they wanted it back. That wasn’t really a legal reason to dispute anything, though, and eventually they contested the will on the basis that LCH had not been of sound mind, and that undue influence was used to induce him to make the will in his wife’s favor.
The Hamersley housekeeper, Rebecca (Becky) Jones was called to testify and refused to do so. She was arrested for comtempt of court and sent to Ludlow Street Jail for about a year. Eventually the court realized they could not get her to testify against her will, and released her.
The complainants were bought off by a payment of $110,000 in return for an agreement not to reopen the contest during the lifetime of LCH’s widow.
Meanwhile, J. Hooker Hamersley apparently decided that—since the estate was to go ultimately to him or his heirs—that it was high time to actually *have* an heir. So he married and had children. The first didn’t count, being female. The second was Louis Gordon Hamersley, who would eventually get the fortune.
Lillian Price/Hamersley/Marlborough/Beresford died in 1909.
The executors of the will of Lady Beresford initiated an action for an accounting, and questioned the validity of the trust. A referee found that the trust was valid, and ordered that the money be turned over to the New York Life Insurance and Trust company as quardian for Louis Gordon Hamersley (he was born in 1892 so he was a minor).
Further, the value of the money that the former Mrs. LCH had received had increased through her investments, and she wanted her son by Lord Beresford, William Beresford, to inherit this increase in value, rather than having it go to her ex-husband’s cousins.
A suit by William Bereford was filed asking for an accounting from the New York Life Insurance and Trust Company of money accrued to him from his mother’s handling of the property, and the suit named a large number of those prominent in NY society at the time—anyone his lawyers could think of that might possibly benefit from the estate if the will were broken. The New York Times listed some of them: Cuttings, Masons, Posts, Iselins, Wissmans, Carneses, James, Youngs, Langdons, Blagdens, and Fearings. Most of the major NY law firms participated in the suit.
The question was whether the will could be declared invalid because it violates the rule against perpetuities. That is, he tried to will his fortune to the unborn issue of unborn issue,
The courts found it didn’t.
William Beresford, characterized as a “delicate boy” would not have lived to see it even if the suit had gone the other way. He died—the only child of Lilian Price—in early 1919 at the age of 21, unmarried and childless .
James Hooker Hamersley’s will left his residence to his wife, and the rest in trust, with the income to benefit his wife for the extent of her life. On her death, the trust was to be divided between his children or their issue. If any of these die, their portion of the estate was to go to his sister Helen Reade Hamerseley Stickney, and his niece, Catharine M. Livingston or their issue, with the exception that no Roman Catholic shall take any share of his estate. This latter clause seems to have been a way of cutting the Duchess of Marlborough out of the will. His will also stipulated that his children were to be brought up without knowledge of their legacy, lest they be spoiled. - Nunh-huh 23:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Just started User:Zigzig20s/J. Hooker Hamersley if you want to help. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Christina Cock for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Christina Cock is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christina Cock until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Francisco Bosch[edit]

Nobody said anything about being "offensive", I said it was not entirely "respectful". And comparing the issue to skin colour is misguided. Do people "come out" as black? Does one need a citation before referring to a person on Wikipedia as black? (Ironically, some people in the past have concealed the fact that they have black heritage, similar to the way that many gay celebrities conceal their sexuality today.)

There is a notable difference between being "openly gay" (i.e. Elton John), "ambiguously gay" (Da Vinci, Michelangelo) and "eternally-closeted" (Cliff Richard? Roddy McDowall?) and I don't accept that acknowledging the fact that someone is "open" about being gay is the new taboo of the century! However, the issue regarding the article is now resolved, as far as I'm concerned, as I've no interest in wrangling over an adverb.

P.S. For the record, I'm openly half black, if that counts! 176.25.25.142 (talk) 06:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

The only way to be gay in Wikipedia is by self-avowal. One can't be surreptitiously gay in a Wikipedia article, as we require a cired statement by the person as to his or her self-identification. And I'm very glad not to have to wrangle. It's not my sport of choice. (Recent news, of course, suggests that one can now be covertly white, but that's another kettle of fish.) - Nunh-huh 06:47, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Christina Cock (Swedish pioneer)[edit]

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Notes: 1) Chessrat proposed the deletion, I'm just the messenger [10]. 2) The "recently-created" isn't precisely correct - the article was created by you in 2004 under the title Christina Cock. Later, that page was replaced by an article about another person. I recently asked that the history be split. After it was split, Chessrat proposed its deletion.

If you have any references you can add to the article, those would be very helpful. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately I'm in the process of renovating and my books are in storage. So I can't really add sources at present. I won't be crushed if it's deleted, but I would hardly think of it as an improvement. - Nunh-huh 05:36, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

The Lanier family[edit]

Do you know if James Lanier on the Astor 400 guestlist was James Lanier? Most likely, but we would need to find at least two references. I also wonder if he was an ancestor of Sartain Lanier, whose page I created recently...There is a family tree for the Lanier family, but it is a bit vague. Let me know if you have more info please. I will work on the Hamersleys/Iselins a bit later. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm quite sure it's him; if you look at the various accounts of the Astor balls he is sometimes called J. F. D. Lanier. There are a couple of other J.F.D. Laniers, but they'd be excluded by age. And of course whom Mrs. James Lanier was depends on dates (from 1819-1846, Elizabeth Gardner; from 1848 on, Mary McClure). I don't see any obvious connection between his Lanier family and Sartain Lanier. - Nunh-huh 05:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Canon Thomas James Rowsell (1816-1894)[edit]

Seen his updated Find-a-Grave memorial?

2.30.195.217 (talk) 10:44, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I do. Nicely done ;) - Nunh-huh 05:35, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

6 missing members of The Glutton Club[edit]

Looking for biographical information and the grave locations of :

Blane, Robert b. unknown d. May 30, 1871 = No cemetery (London?)

Cameron, Rev. Jonathan Henry Lovett b. 1807 d. Nov. 21, 1888 = No cemetery (Shoreham!)

Heaviside, Rev. James William Lucas b. unknown d. Mar. 5, 1897 = No cemetery (Norwich?)

Herbert, John Maurice b. 1808 d. Nov. 3, 1882 = No cemetery (Ross?)

Lowe, Henry Edward b. unknown d. Jan. 1, 1895 = No cemetery (Torquay?)

Whitley, Rev Charles Thomas b. 1808 d. Apr. 22, 1895 = No cemetery (?)

2.30.195.217 (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have no information about the burials of any of them... - Nunh-huh 06:22, 25 August 2015 (UTC)