User:Qwyrxian/SPI draft

Space for IP editor to provide evidence in support of an SPI.

Part of this information could be used also for proof of POV. I will report some user edits and maybe Lisi's off-wiki material.

To ease the process let me link some important pages: Special:Contributions/SherryNugil - Special:Contributions/Scientryst - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory_of_Everything&action=history (what is the internal link for a revision history page??) - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antony_Garrett_Lisi&action=history

I believe that users Scientryst and user SherryNugil are the same person. I believe that user SherryNugil is a sock puppet of Scientryst and the reason is that xe wants to hide the fact that they both are WP:SPAs, and in a tiny broader sense them, as a couple of users, are also a SPA. In fact, they only edit, respectively, the above mentioned pages about Lisi's E8 stuff and Lisi's personal page.

Their style in editing, in reverting, in supporting Lisi's position, and responding in discussions is absolutely identical. A quick check should be enough without needing to ask for a WP:CheckUser.

Some examples:

First appearance in summer 2008 (I will see if there was any previous puppet or IP involved too). It's a chronology of Lisi. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory_of_Everything&action=historysubmit&diff=219654212&oldid=219165984 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antony_Garrett_Lisi&action=historysubmit&diff=223182199&oldid=206773351

This is one case where I spent time explaining things to user SherryNugil, but I wouldn't have wasted time, and the discussion would have gone much better and quicker if it was obvious that it was the same user as Scientryst. SherryNugil in the discussion page says: <<2) The full sentence is "On June 9, 2007, Lisi realized that the algebraic structure he had constructed to unify the standard model of particle physics with general relativity matched part of the algebraic structure of the E8 Lie group." Is this not correct as written?>> I had explained the same things to Scientryst and I wasted my time with a user that was just reverting my changes and responding to complaints with questions. In addition, it wasn't up to me to show that something is written correctly. It is up to the editor to show that something is correct when editing. In the specific, no, the sentence wasn't correct. It's mathematically agreed even by Lisi. The user SherryNugil was playing with words, a typical technique used by Scientryst, and trying to hide the fact that it's not the standard model to be matching part of E8 in his construction, but it's part of the standard model to be matching part of E8 in his construction. The difference being that a theory of everything cannot have part of the standard model matching a theory. The whole standard model needs to be hidden. User SherryNugil was hiding this to make Lisi's model look more appealing. And I wasted a lot of time writing answers to SheeryNugil, answers that I had previously discussed several times with Scientryst. The result of this is that the suckpuppet was a way to make more difficult the interaction and the changes for the page. As for today, the page still misses the word "part of the standard model".

For NPOV, this is a good example (there is many many others). SherryNugil defended a list of links to all Lisi's interviews, articles, newspaper articles, blog discussions, forums. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Antony_Garrett_Lisi&diff=prev&oldid=467718109 About it, Qwyrxian eventually did this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antony_Garrett_Lisi&action=historysubmit&diff=467989894&oldid=467787888 commenting "Completely inappropriate for a WP article--if there is useful info in those interviews, include it in the article in prose, but a list of his interviews has no business here (borderline SPAM)"

It was a waste of time mine and possibly Qwyrxian's, whom I asked to look at the page, because the WP:UNDUE was already being discussed extensively in Lisi's E8 stuff page including user Scientryst.

It would be a long work but it's possible to also cross reference language and attitude. Especially with respect to edits as "combining" versus "attempting to combine" and little "howevers" or things like that. Also, I'm not sure this is a wikipedia policy, but it's almost impossible to write a sentence without one of these users to smooth the sentence in a subtle POV way. Although it's true that on those pages there is a lot of vandalism, that is usually under control (also with the help of Scientryst/SherryNugil). But the problem is that they not only are against the vandalism, but they both have, in various occasions, reverted the pages multiple times, making it almost impossible for other editors (and I'm not talking about vandalism here) to make any changes that wasn't allowed by them, usually introducing some other sentence that would put the same weight at Lisi's statements as opposed to criticism. WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE I believe don't allow the two points of view to be equally presented if the scientific community hasn't accepted a theory. Also, for POV, all the sources usually brought up by Scientryst/SherryNugil are usually sources where Lisi himself is speaking or writing, making it even more difficult to get a third party objective evaluation because Lisi speaks always favorably of himself (he does say that the theory is incomplete, but I can bring up dozens of cases in which he states something even though the thing he's stating is misleading, or not really explained, or not even true. If it's true that Lisi or a person next to him is using these accounts to edit the page then it's pretty obvious that, along an understandable behavior of defending the pages towards vandalism, there is also an unethical propagandistic and promotional use of Wikipedia in favor of a man, an idea, a theory.